Hi Mark and all,
How can DQ/SQ be called a metaphysics? There is a response of a faculty
that remains indefinable in MOQ. I suggest that emotions remain indefinable
DQ, followed by definition in intellect SQ. There is one bridge that makes
everything exciting. Evolution! There is an
Hi Mark and All,
I disagree that math is a form of metaphysics! Music and poetry are forms
of metaphysics in allowing a freedom for definition. I feel that math is
restricted to defined disciplines unlike reality which created levels in
existence! Math is limited/unlimited, neither fish nor
Hi Mark and all,
Physics and metaphysics! DQ/SQ is a format for the reality we know.
Definable SQ, indefinable DQ. The change in individuality in evolution
formats individuality beyond the mathematical logic of individuality for
intelligibility. If individuality becomes the format of
Hi Mark and All,
Woman/Man! Female/Male. It would seem, given the reality of conception and
birth on this planet, that these would be easy concepts for different
realities. DQ/SQ is without gender. Gender is not metaphysical? I am not
about to agree that I think like a woman! Typical male
Hi Mark,
I accept what you say but we are discussing a DQ/SQ format for metaphysics.
The question becomes how can we logically experience the indefinable? We
accept that we know the indefinable and go from there. That does not mean
that there are no metaphysical questions to be asked about the
Hi Mark,
I suppose there is a barn full of existence somewhere, but somehow DQ/SQ
wants to divide it up!
Joe
On 2/6/12 3:56 PM, 118 ununocti...@gmail.com wrote:
All existence is intentional, otherwise it would not be here.
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Hi Mark and all,
Why do you feel you have to unravel something before you understand what it
is? That seems to be throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
Joe
On 2/7/12 1:01 PM, 118 ununocti...@gmail.com wrote:
I hope you have more luck than I in unraveling this mess she presents.
, but it is not non-existent.
Sent laboriously from an iPhone,
Mark
On Feb 3, 2012, at 12:54 PM, Joseph Maurer jh...@comcast.net wrote:
Hi Mark,
Its seems to me the depiction of anything begs a question does it exist or
not? I do not experience existence as analogous.
Joe
Hi Mark
I see no way to answer that statement. If I posit evolution as levels in
existence, the study of non-existence is a different discipline of the
incongruous, not in the purview of logic. Non-existence doesn't interest
me. No concepts possible!
Metaphysics is not the study of Physics
Hi Mark,
Its seems to me the depiction of anything begs a question does it exist or
not? I do not experience existence as analogous.
Joe
On 2/2/12 4:33 PM, 118 ununocti...@gmail.com wrote:
As it has been said, any depiction of anything is analogy.
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as that which you experience. This
was your suggestion. You can leave it at that and not define any more because
we know what you mean.
Sent laboriously from an iPhone,
Mark
On Feb 1, 2012, at 11:47 AM, Joseph Maurer jh...@comcast.net wrote:
Hi Mark and all,
I can't define
Hi David,
Making a thing of DQ so I can respond to it changes the metaphysics of DQ/SQ
where SQ represents the 'thing' by definition.
Joe
On 2/1/12 8:32 PM, David Harding davidjhard...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Mark and Joe,
I think consciousness is ability to respond to DQ. What's wrong with
Hi David and All,
And?
Joe
On 2/2/12 5:36 AM, david buchanan dmbucha...@hotmail.com wrote:
Joe said to Mark and all:
If you look at the etymology of the word consciousness you see two roots
Con scious With awareness or knowledge. ...
dmb quotes Wiki:
Sciousness, a term coined by
Hi David,
This is the way I conceive DQ!
IMHO There can be no conception of DQ alone. Evolution is DQ/SQ. When I
place DQ in a sentence I am embodying reality in a concept SQ which is
definable, and is only DQ by analogy. Evolution already has occurred. DQ
is only analogous. There are no
Hi Mark,
WOW! With regard to my personal world! Let me count the ways! I think it
is true that we always have one foot in the grave! Big Deal! Yeah! But who
likes that!
Joe
On 2/2/12 2:31 PM, 118 ununocti...@gmail.com wrote:
Our personal world is only
ours, nobody else can
Hi Mark and all,
I can't define the experience of DQ since the experience of the indefinable
is indefinable. To what faculty for knowledge do I appeal? Emotions? I
will never know DQ! Emotions format reality in metaphysics? Go girl! The
beginning slice for metaphysical description cannot be
Hi Mark and All,
If you look at the etymology of the word consciousness you see two roots
Con scious With awareness or knowledge. Two principles are
involved, evolution and science. To make sense of that you have to posit an
evolutionary description of reality conscious and mechanical or
:21 AM, MarshaV val...@att.net wrote:
On Jan 30, 2012, at 4:14 PM, Joseph Maurer jh...@comcast.net wrote:
DQ is indefinable not unknowable.
Hi Joe,
When RMP states that Dynamic Quality is indivisible, undefinable and
unknowable, I take unknowable to be in the explainable sense
Hi Mark and All,
Metaphysics DQ/SQ is a format of reality. In terms of format, the pattern
of the whole is greater than the sum of its parts and definition may include
the format of indefinable in a contrast of DQ and SQ.
Evolution is a metaphysical format in existence. I accept DQ as
answer.
Cheers,
Mark
On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 2:53 PM, Joseph Maurer jh...@comcast.net wrote:
Hi Mark and All,,
How do we know things? Has been a metaphysical question from the get-go. I
don't remember how Socrates dealt with that. Plato proposed a world of
ideas that we contact
Hi Mark and All,,
How do we know things? Has been a metaphysical question from the get-go. I
don't remember how Socrates dealt with that. Plato proposed a world of
ideas that we contact...Aristotle proposed that the mind abstracts the
essence from the image of the thing in the imagination and
Hi DMB and All,
Is understanding an intellectual abstraction? Understanding decides the
relationship of true or false in perception. Certainly the metaphysics of
Quality proposes the understanding of all of reality DQ/SQ.
To make the jump that understanding includes all levels in evolution
Hi Ham and All,
MOQ does not describe an immutable, indefinable, unlimited source in
existence. It describes evolution an indefinable/definable reality in
levels in existence. The evolution of levels in existence is a proper
metaphysical concern. Faith exploring Existence beyond the known
Hi Ham and All,
Essence cannot be a stand alone word and still be logical. If it stands
alone how do I know what it means? What is the trigger that makes me
consider essence? Reality? Speculation? Existence accepts the complete
trigger for reality.
Metaphysics reveals Essence. In MOQ
Hi Ham and all,
You use a word essence which is not logical. No logic or reality can
follow essence. It is a stand alone word defining to be (esse) and being
(ens) different parts of speech yes/no and the beat goes on!.
In a DQ/SQ format for metaphysics you need a word which looks three ways
Hi Horse and All,
There is a difference between a Man and a Woman. Pirsig suggested there is
a difference between indefinable reality and definable reality. I would
suggest that difference can be a metaphysical concept. Evolution defines
existence in levels in reality, not just physical
Hi Andre and All,
Definition is not existence.
Metaphysics proposes the format for how we know things. Historically that
format was S/O.
In the evolutionary format for knowledge in SOM there is no reality to S's
and 0's except through definition. Admittedly until DQ/SQ there was no
rational
Hi Dave and all,
I am unclear about the logic of this statement. I image DQ as the
description of indefinable evolutionary reality perceived emotionally.
Evolution is the description of levels in reality. Is there no variation to
levels in the indefinable emotional perception of evolutionary
Hi Ian and All,
I was watching television last night and Diana Ross? Was singing in New
York's Central Park after being rained out the night before. She was
precious! Throughout the whole performance she was present. There was no
doubt that DQ/SQ could describe her presence!
As a singer in
Hi DMB,
There is a logic in quoting words of RMP: Life can't exist on Dynamic
Quality alone. It has no staying power. Although Dynamic Quality,
the quality of freedom, creates the world in which we live, these patterns
of static quality, the quality of order, preserve our world. Neither
love reading tho'. Books are beautiful.
Peace,
Mark
On 1/17/12, Joseph Maurer jh...@comcast.net wrote:
Hi Mark and All,
A lot that is wrong has been presented in books. Somehow the strong heart
DQ has to help paint MOQ understanding revealing the pure beauty in
evolution! Who wants
Hi Mark, David and all,
The difficulty with not defining DQ begs the question: What is evolution?
In philosophical parlance there are no terms defining evolution. To make
some sense of evolution I define Evolution as levels in existence. DQ then
becomes the mark for discreet levels in
Hi Mark and All,
A lot that is wrong has been presented in books. Somehow the strong heart
DQ has to help paint MOQ understanding revealing the pure beauty in
evolution! Who wants to be involved only in discord? Thank You!
Joe
On 1/17/12 2:47 PM, 118 ununocti...@gmail.com wrote:
I am
Hi Mark
Metaphysics is DQ/SQ evolution. I can experience an indefinable DQ
emotional level and a definable SQ intellectual level. Can these levels
evolve into higher DQ emotional and higher DQ intellectual levels beyond SQ
mathematical logic? Are you suggesting that there are higher emotional
Hi Tuukka and all,
For precision I appeal to the reality of emotions. Emotions are precise
enough for perception, indefinable DQ, love.
Metaphysics describes a higher discipline in logic, evolution, than the
mathematics of physics, certainty. Metaphysics formats reality as levels in
existence.
Hi Tuukka,
Mathematics is a language of precise logic. Evolution disturbs mathematics.
What do you mean levels in existence? Music is more freewheeling. Go with
the flow, dig the jive!
Joe
On 1/11/12 2:50 PM, m...@tuukkavirtaperko.net m...@tuukkavirtaperko.net
wrote:
I like to contrast
Hi Ham and All,
Your enthusiasm is catching! Your emphasis on the anthropocentric universe
in which man is the decision=maker can only leave me humbled. How can I as
an individual possibly have a connection to the stars? They are beautiful!
For some reason I am in tears! I think it is your
Hi Tuukka and All,
I am thinking of the musical scale: Do, RE, MI_FA, Sol, La, TI_Do. The
intervals between notes are not all the same. The harmony of the spheres!
I would hope that music is a trigger for experiencing reality. It certainly
is far reaching in creating delight. I do not know
know it is not. However, it can be considered
relative by those who need it to be, what a waste!
On 1/9/12, Joseph Maurer jh...@comcast.net wrote:
Hi Tuukka;
DQ/SQ Indefinable/definable. I want to play with words! Indefinable DQ is
Pirsig's insight into the perception of evolving reality
Hi Tuukka;
DQ/SQ Indefinable/definable. I want to play with words! Indefinable DQ is
Pirsig's insight into the perception of evolving reality. Everything? No
just indefinable reality. What is the common name for indefinable reality?
I suggest emotions. My brother could always get my sisters
Hi Tuukka
I am approaching my 80th birthday (lame-brained), and there is no doubt the
way I express concepts is all over the place.
The concept of Evolution, something indefinable in the sense of levels in
existence, without appealing to creation, interests me. Evolution is not
something from
Hi Tuukka and all,
I do not know what you mean by conventional truth in a university setting?
DQ/SQ as metaphysical reality accepts that that we experience and know the
indefinable and the definable. If the uni accepts SOM only, indefinable DQ
is not a teachable principle. I do not know how you
Hi Tuukka and all,
The theory of evolution describes a metaphysical truth. I am unsure how you
perceive evolution!
Aristotle described SOM (Subject/Object/Metaphysics) as the basis of
knowledge, metaphysics. SOM's theory of knowledge follows the definition of
a process of abstraction.
,
Mark
On Jan 5, 2012, at 12:17 PM, Joseph Maurer jh...@comcast.net wrote:
Hi Mark and All,
MOQ, Metaphysics of Quality, embraces evolution! I conceptualize Pirsig's
formula, DQ/SQ, as levels in existence. Existence embraces patterns as
indefinable/definable reality DQ/SQ. Evolution
Hi Mark and All,
MOQ, Metaphysics of Quality, embraces evolution! I conceptualize Pirsig's
formula, DQ/SQ, as levels in existence. Existence embraces patterns as
indefinable/definable reality DQ/SQ. Evolution is existential. IMHO
Joe
On 1/4/12 2:40 PM, 118 ununocti...@gmail.com wrote:
I
Hi Tuukka and all,
Reality, quality! Man, Woman! Sun, Planet! Alive, Dead! Good, Bad!
Definable, Indefinable! Yes, No! DQ, SQ! 0,1! Tall, Short! Infinite,
Finite! Etc.!
It looks like division is well and prosperous!
On 1/5/12 1:55 AM, Tuukka Virtaperko m...@tuukkavirtaperko.net
Hi Tuukq and all,
Evolution!
On 1/5/12 1:25 PM, Tuukka Virtaperko m...@tuukkavirtaperko.net wrote:
Joseph,
are you claiming that stating everything to be Quality would mean
something different than stating everything to be everything?
-Tuukka
5.1.2012 23:22, Joseph Maurer
:
Joseph,
I take it this is not biological evolution but evolution of everythingness.
-Tuukka
5.1.2012 23:39, Joseph Maurer kirjoitti:
Hi Tuukq and all,
Evolution!
On 1/5/12 1:25 PM, Tuukka Virtaperkom...@tuukkavirtaperko.net wrote:
Joseph,
are you claiming that stating
Hi Mark and All,
Imho DQ and SQ describe existence indefinable/definable. Static definable
patterns exist, as well dynamic indefinable patterns.
Made and created are modes in pattern manifestation. Evolution is an order
in existence. Static patterns of value exist and we experience them.
Hi Matt and All,
In the formatting of reality as DQ/SQ there is a need to accept indefinable
reality as a true description. Faith is indefinable! The indefinable is
necessary to thinking! Who wants to define Faith?
Joe
On 1/3/12 9:02 AM, Matt Kundert pirsigafflict...@hotmail.com wrote:
Hi Mark and All,
Physics and Metaphysics! Differentiated truth like conceptual evolution
accepts the indefinable as true as the definable. Emotions are as true as
thoughts! Metaphysics is necessary in conceptualizing the indefinable. If
there is no view out through metaphysics reality remains
Hi Matt nd All
unboundedness when used in a discussion of Quality destroys order.
Evolution which describes an order in existence is negated by unboundedness.
(My spelling faculty on my word program puts a red line under
unboundedness!).
Instead of evolutionary reality I am forced to
Happy New Year MarshaV and all.
On 1/1/12 1:23 AM, MarshaV val...@att.net wrote:
Happy New Year Joe,
On Dec 31, 2011, at 2:49 PM, Joseph Maurer jh...@comcast.net wrote:
Hi MarshaV and All,
SOM didn't know either, since S and O are both defined concepts! SOM has
been metaphysically
, 2011, at 7:16 PM, Joseph Maurer jh...@comcast.net wrote:
Hi Marsha,
It seems to me that metaphysics formats direct perception otherwise how
could I experience the indefinable?
Joe
On 12/29/11 12:52 AM, MarshaV val...@att.net wrote:
Direct perception is to see things
Hi Matt and All,
When I read the sentence below, I immediately thought of conceptual reality
and decided unboundedness of Quality/DQ eviscerates metaphysics and throws
me into a faith mode. Evolution as the format of intelligibility is a
boundary of order or knowledge if you prefer.
Joe
On
Hi Marsha,
It seems to me that metaphysics formats direct perception otherwise how
could I experience the indefinable?
Joe
On 12/29/11 12:52 AM, MarshaV val...@att.net wrote:
Direct perception is to see things as they are, without changing them through
our concepts.
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27, 2011, at 3:26 PM, Joseph Maurer jh...@comcast.net
wrote:
Hi Marsha,
Metaphysics is empty sound, a trigger! Pirsig with
DQ/SQ suggested that
metaphysics is a format, not a sound. There has to be
a trigger for
concepts. It becomes even more weird when the trigger
embraces indefinable
Hi Marsha,
Metaphysics is empty sound, a trigger! Pirsig with DQ/SQ suggested that
metaphysics is a format, not a sound. There has to be a trigger for
concepts. It becomes even more weird when the trigger embraces indefinable
evolving reality and memory. No wonder metaphysics is a tough slog.
Hi Marsha and all,
Is there an indefinable principle in reality. No! Reality is an empty
sound. Has anyone defined empty sound? Pirsig proposes DQ as a reality
for empty sound. Is definition reality? No! Are metaphysics reality? No!
Metaphysics are indefinable empty sounds.
Joe
On
Hi Matt,
I am getting very lost in a Big did Bang!. It is alliterative. I guess
moving categories of adjectives to categories of nouns indicates that
evolution eliminates the sacred! Tbis is why see evolution as levels in
existence.
Joe
On 12/23/11 10:58 AM, Matt Kundert
Hi Tukka,
I agree indefinable DQ is definable when you examine SQ reality. For
example, evolution is an hierarchical order in existence. The levels in
evolution can be defined as order.
SOM embraces indefinable existence. To conceptualize differences SOM
illogically describes levels in
Hi MarshaV,
In mathematical parlance this is certainly true. Metaphysics, describing
levels in evolution, creates boundaries, so to speak, in existence. One
thing is not something else. It is difficult to conceptualize DQ as
something since it is indefinable. There is a distinction in
modifying the structure?
-Tuukka
22.12.2011 1:27, Joseph Maurer kirjoitti:
Hi MarshaV,
In mathematical parlance this is certainly true. Metaphysics, describing
levels in evolution, creates boundaries, so to speak, in existence. One
thing is not something else. It is difficult
to be definable.
Undefinable things cannot be proven to exist or proven not to exist.
-Tuukka
20.12.2011 23:35, Joseph Maurer kirjoitti:
Hi Marsha and All,
If something is indefinable is it non-existent? The word inherent clouds
the formation of logic in existence. It tries to introduce
conceptual designation (patterns). Patterns have no independent, inherent
existence. Further, these patterns represent what works depending upon on
an individual's static pattern of life history.
Marsha
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On Dec 20, 2011, at 4:35 PM, Joseph Maurer jh...@comcast.net wrote
Hi Marsha and All,
If something is indefinable is it non-existent? The word inherent clouds
the formation of logic in existence. It tries to introduce the hierarchy,
evolution, before describing the metaphysics for the logic of evolution.
Evolution seems to be used by Pirsig as a logical order
Hi Mark and All,
MOQ suggests that DQ/SQ describes reality. DQ is indefinable. I accept
metaphysics that the reality DQ is indefinable. When I try to piece
together metaphysics I go back to what words are a trigger for each level?
I accept that DQ is indefinable. When I compare DQ to stated
Hi Mark,
I dont understand what you are saying! I accept that consciousness
embraces DQ. In MOQ DQ is indefinable not outside of consciousness.
That indicates to me that some levels in evolution are indefinable. If I
wish to discuss the indefinable I have to accept the order in reality,
Hi Mark and All,
What is the reality of metaphysical Logic? I suggest that levels in
existence (evolution) is the determinant for logical reality.
The new vocabulary proposes levels in existence, reality, evolution.
Can we accept more than one thing at a time? In the acceptance of evolution
Hi David and All,
Using independent as a metaphysical claim begins to cloud an evolutionary
hierarchy necessary for logic. Indefinable Individual seems a better
claim when discussing evolution.
Joe
On 12/9/11 12:32 PM, david buchanan dmbucha...@hotmail.com wrote:
To say that objects are
Hi Matt and all,
A question comes to my mind when I read your statement below about loss of
nerve. Is logic created?
Evolution describes reality as an order in existence. Where's the logic?
I have a very difficult time wrestling with your statements. I don't
understand you. What I seem to
Hi Mark and all,
In describing disciplines of thought, I find mathematical logic too
restrictive for metaphysical reality. When proposing an evolutionary logic,
the certainty for everything seems to get lost. What form can describe
evolution so that necessary distinctions are acceptable?
I
Hi Marsha and Mark,
I do not know how you envision evolution, language? Pirsig changes the
status of Quality from a adjective, relative existence, in SOM to a noun,
DQ indefinable existence, in MOQ.
What is the logic supporting this change? It can only be some change in a
reality of existence
Hi Mark,
Physics, what we define as what we know! Metaphysics an indefinable order
in existence, evolution! Pirsig saw the need for a reality of experience of
an indefinable metaphysical DQ as necessary for an scientific SQ order for
logic. He proposed a Metaphysics of Quality DQ/SQ.
How?
, then they find another place to live. Some are
perfectly happy where they are, others philosophize.
Evolution identifies logic, IMO.
Sent laboriously from an iPhone,
Mark
On Nov 27, 2011, at 2:26 PM, Joseph Maurer jh...@comcast.net wrote:
Hi Steve and All.
As I read your statement
Hi Steve and All,
Given the online MOQ, it seems to be evident that DQ/SQ has touched a nerve.
How can the indefinable have a place in metaphysics? I guess some see it as
no big deal since everything is indefinable until you define it.
Even in that scenario (until you define it) DQ remains
Hi Steve and All.
As I read your statement below the question What is logic? presents
itself. In an evolutionary format logic is from a higher to a lower reality
or vise versa. Higher or Lower than becomes a judgment call. Unless we
establish an the order for evolution Says you! is the final
.
But a bit of better butter
Makes better batter.
So Betty Botter bought a bit of better butter,
Making Betty Botter's bitter batter better.
Arghh! I've got callouses on my lips!
Cheers,
Mark
On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 1:28 PM, Joseph Maurer jh...@comcast.net wrote:
Hi Mark and All
Hi Mark and All,
Communication follows definition. Definition follows evolution.
Individuality follows definition. Comparing things highlights communication
of individuality.
Given an evolutionary schema of 7 levels like a musical scale, or color
spectrum, comparison can be a pleasing
Hi Matt,
Off the top of his head Pirsig acknowledges 4 levels in evolution Inorganic,
Organic, Social, Intellectual.
A couple of questions: What is evolution? For myself I answer an order in
existence. What about 'emotions'? Not everyone feels the same. There is a
category called heroes. I
. This way we do not have to fathom something that is hidden.
It may make life more rewarding.
Yes, I think we are saying exactly the same thing.
Thank you Brother!
Mark
On Nov 20, 2011, at 6:49 PM, Joseph Maurer jh...@comcast.net wrote:
Hi Mark and all,
I will jump into a quagmire
Hi Mark and all,
I will jump into a quagmire of thought What is evolution? What does it
represent? Imho metaphysics is a discipline describing the schema of
evolution, and describing a vocabulary for evolution.
Is definition a way to explore evolution? No! I can only describe the
concept
Hi Matt,
The evidence for multiple levels in evolution found in New York city
describe a more complex foundation for a reality in evolution beyond dog
dishes.
Joe
On 11/19/11 4:05 PM, Matt Kundert pirsigafflict...@hotmail.com wrote:
I'm not sure why increased complexity denotes more
Hi Mark and all,
I have no idea how you see metaphysics making everything undefined.
PHYSICS, which drops the META also means something, and I don't know how you
see words as meaningless. PHYSICS using the language of mathematics
describes many changes. Change is meaningless!
It is going to be
Hi Marsha,
How old do I have to be to be unable to be teachable? I assume Purify your
own minds opens a door to a value in dialogue DQ/SQ since a self taught
person is taught by a fool!
Joe
On 11/18/11 4:12 AM, MarshaV val...@att.net wrote:
After he responded to such questions, however,
Hi Marsha,
I don't expect there is an age beyond dialogue. Dogma is beyond dialogue.
Joe
On 11/18/11 11:16 AM, MarshaV val...@att.net wrote:
Joe,
I don't know how old. How old do you think?
Marsha
On Nov 18, 2011, at 2:04 PM, Joseph Maurer wrote:
Hi Marsha,
How old do
Hi Matt,
I do not know what is your take on evolution? Is evolution a metaphysical
reality? If so then there is more evidence for evolution from New York than
from dog dishes. That is if a logical description of evolution is more
complicated than the appearance of dog dishes!
Joe
On
Hi Mark,
I assume OA means outside of anything. That is a metaphysical discussion
since mathematics is not OA but ID inside the defined. The metaphysics of
evolution is OD outside the defined since it is a description of LE levels
in existence.
Joe
On 11/17/11 11:26 AM, 118
Hi Steve and All,
DQ/SQ metaphysics! Can language describe evolution and metaphysics? Do you
want language only to follow mathematical logic? Is there a metaphysical
language in logic?
Pirsig suggested the indefinable is a level in reality. The indefinable is
not found in the SQ concepts of
Hi Mark,
I accept the discipline of metaphysics cannot be understood in the language
of physics mathematics. I see the color purple and it is different from the
color blue. Vibrations matter to perception. Vibrations in what?
Light has a spectrum. Sound has an octave. Touch distinguishes
On Nov 10, 2011, at 2:54 PM, Joseph Maurer wrote:
Hi MarshaV and all,
As I read your words I feel Sad and Happy! Emotions are certainly
indefinable. Emotions are certainly indivisible. Emotions are certainly
unknowable in an intellectual framework.
However indefinable emotions
Hi Mark,
I do not accept that the logic of SOM allows me to discuss reality. There
is no security in a reality described as existing in a real object if it is
seen as intentional existence as ideas in a mind as described in SOM.
The SOM logic needed to verify the reality of SO proposes the need
Hi MarshaV and all,
As I read your words I feel Sad and Happy! Emotions are certainly
indefinable. Emotions are certainly indivisible. Emotions are certainly
unknowable in an intellectual framework.
However indefinable emotions fill a DQ notch, so to speak, in my experience
which I call
Hi Mark and all,
Imho metaphysics provides answers to some questions that physics
(mathematics) cannot explore. For example the range of logical problems
about the definitions of Quality and Evolution belongs in metaphysics.
Physics, the language of mathematics, cannot describe evolution as
Hi Mark,
The question of logic comes to the fore. DQ/SQ is a metaphysical
description for reality. Why? I do not know if you are using prove in
the sense of a dialectic. Is logic defined in emotion? It has something to
do with communication. If words are a symbol that stand for something,
Hi Mark and All,
The Intellectual and the logical is ultimately based on faith. I guess
Metaphysics is faith based? Am I sentient (free will) and not just
logically determined if I ignore logic? Different functions!
You are confusing. I accept the individuality I possess from my Mom and
Dad.
Hi Matt and all,
What embodies the conception of indefinable DQ? Out there in the world
apart from us requires the metaphysical reality to verify a difference
between individuality and imagination for everyone.
Pirsig observed that indefinable DQ is necessary in limiting metaphysical
reality
Hi Mark,
Inclusive is a word I associate with emotional overtones. Am I included
in the invitations? I do not know what you mean by more inclusive? There
is a quantitative reality and a qualitative reality. In mathematical logic
2 is more than 1 a quantitative difference. In evolutionary
Hi DMB and All,
Emotions are DQ. When I take my glasses off I assume DQ/SQ fades away. I
can still experience DQ emotions without glasses, primal experience.
Gesture and body-language embody emotional, indefinable DQ content.
Joe
On 11/1/11 7:32 PM, david buchanan dmbucha...@hotmail.com
Hi Matt and All,
A rock is different from a thought. Some attention to difference is
necessary. For myself I prefer to explore difference in evolution. I
accept that individuality is indefinable. Individual what?
Joe
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