Hi Ron,
Mon key is another word in the man' and kind catefory.
Joe
On 12/12/13 5:06 PM, Ron Kulp xa...@rocketmail.com wrote:
Just like the word mankind
Composed of mank and ind
It's meaning a mystery, just like
Mankind.
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On Dec 12, 2013, at 3:07 PM, Joseph
Joe,
I consider metaphysics to be a conceptual model of reality. Can we agree on
this point?
Marsha
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On Dec 11,
Hi MarshaV and All,
The con Cum (with)? (part of conceptual?) left Pirsig with no
alternative but to opt for indefinable DQ. Con seems to be attached to
Cum latin for with. Con (with consciousness) and ceptual (capture ?) used
together seem to be strange bedfellows! But metaphysics DQ/SQ
Just like the word mankind
Composed of mank and ind
It's meaning a mystery, just like
Mankind.
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On Dec 12, 2013, at 3:07 PM, Joseph Maurer jh...@comcast.net wrote:
Hi MarshaV and All,
The con Cum (with)? (part of conceptual?) left Pirsig with no
alternative but to
It takes a big man to cry, but it takes a bigger man to laugh at that man.
Jack Handey
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On Dec 12, 2013, at 8:06 PM, Ron Kulp xa...@rocketmail.com wrote:
Just like the word mankind
Composed of mank and ind
It's meaning a mystery, just like
Mankind.
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Feel it in your fingers, feel it in your toes
Love is all around you and so the feeling grows
It is written on the wind, it's everywhere you go
So if you really love me, come on and let it show
On Dec 10, 2013, at 3:36 PM, Joseph Maurer jh...@comcast.net
Hi MarshaV and all,
Love does not grow from a feeling perspective. Love flows from metaphysical
individuality. I am alone! Feeling, idea, decision all participate in the
growing love for individuality. You Know, like: By this will all men know
you are my disciples, if you have love for one
Hi Joe,
I think of most of your posts as a Rorschach test. It's sometimes fun to
respond, but mostly I don't understand your point. We are suspended in
language, and your posts are suspended in your particular idiosyncrasies.
Marsha
On Dec 9, 2013, at 4:05 PM, Joseph Maurer
Hi MarshaV and all,
I suppose idiosyncrasies are discernable.
For the discernment of reality by an individual sentient DQ/SQ is a proper
format. I experience the indefinable.
How is that possible?
SOM based in definition is inadequate to describe social indefinable
reality. There is no
Hi Joe,
The perception of DQ? Do you mean Dynamic Quality as perceived by the
senses: smell, sight, touch, taste, sound? Wouldn't that suggest a DQ
differentiation between senses, a differentiation between sight and smell, for
example? No, I think I will stay with Dynamic Quality as not
Hi MarshaV,
Negation, not this not that, cannot locate the reality of dynamic quality.
Reality requires a positive assertion in existence. Reality does not exist
in the throat of negation. I.E., nothing.
Negation only clears away debris for the understanding of DQ. The reality
of Existence is
Ron had said:
Bias is a temperament or outlook
Towards static patterns. It is an attitude towards what is known.
Marsha replies:
Please remember I wrote Words have more than one meaning/connotation. Here is
the is entry for 'bias' that I would choose:
2. a particular tendency or inclination,
On Dec 6, 2013, at 11:39 AM, Ron Kulp xa...@rocketmail.com wrote:
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On Dec 6, 2013, at 10:25 AM, MarshaV val...@att.net wrote:
I think by 'value rigidity' RMP means, in the Buddhist sense, attachment.
Ron:
I would agree, but where I think
RMP diverges from
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On Dec 6, 2013, at 10:25 AM, MarshaV val...@att.net wrote:
I think by 'value rigidity' RMP means, in the Buddhist sense, attachment.
Ron:
I would agree, but where I think
RMP diverges from Buddhism
Is how to overcome attachment ,
To me, he clearly states that
Ron,
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On Dec 6, 2013, at 10:25 AM, MarshaV val...@att.net wrote:
I think by 'value rigidity' RMP means, in the Buddhist sense, attachment.
Ron:
I would agree, but where I think
RMP diverges
Ron,
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On Dec 6, 2013, at 10:25 AM, MarshaV
Hi MarshaV and All,
DQ/SQ! DQ individuality explores cognitive biases, remaining indefinable.
SQ static quality by definition will never stand alone in DQ individuality.
The perception of DQ precedes definition. Love remains indefinable.
Joe
On 12/7/13 12:27 AM, MarshaV val...@att.net wrote:
Marsha ,
Of course the analogy is to
Get a point across, that facts
Exist in experience , facts are
Not hypotheses.
The hypothetical story was used
To illustrate a point RMP was
Making about value rigidityThere is a fact this monkey should know: if he opens
his hand he's free. But how is he
Ron,
And? Was the analogy of the monkey with its hand caught in the coconut drawn
from any kind of fact that you experienced? How are you defining a fact and is
the interpretation of facts subject to cognitive biases (stale, confusing,
static, intellectual attachments to the past). I
Marsha,
It is drawn from the experience of
Reading the pirsig quote , exactly
What do you suppose RMP means
When he uses the term fact?
You are getting ridiculous trying to squirm away from the point of the
Quote, what do you think pirsig meant by the monkey analogy?
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On
Ron,
I asked you how you were defining 'fact'. It is for you to answer. It is you
who are squirming away. Analogy:
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Analogy?s=t
I think by 'value rigidity' RMP means, in the Buddhist sense, attachment.
Marsha
On Dec 6, 2013, at 8:15 AM,
Marsha,
The topic is and always was
What Bob Pirsig means, since
You posted it originally I'd say
The onus is on you, what were
You trying to say with the quote?
How does hypothetical relate
To how RMP accounts for value
Rigidity being overcome?
Then I can make some valid
Criticism. Right now
Ron,
I do not understand your questions
Please clarify.
On Dec 6, 2013, at 9:33 AM, Ron Kulp wrote:
Marsha,
The topic is and always was
What Bob Pirsig means, since
You posted it originally I'd say
The onus is on you, what were
You trying to say with the quote?
How does hypothetical
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On Dec 6, 2013, at 10:25 AM, MarshaV val...@att.net wrote:
I think by 'value rigidity' RMP means, in the Buddhist sense, attachment.
Ron:
I would agree, but where I think
RMP diverges from Buddhism
Is how to overcome attachment ,
To me, he clearly states that the
Hypothetical is a good approach, because as pattern recognition entities, we
are susceptible to a HUGE list of cognitive biases:
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/List_of_cognitive_biases
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Greetings,
Wiki (regular) also offers a HUGE list:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cognitive_biases
Take two and feel humble in the morning...
Marsha
On Dec 5, 2013, at 1:22 PM, MarshaV val...@att.net wrote:
Hypothetical is a good approach, because as pattern recognition entities, we
Using the monkey trAp analogy,
It would seem (to me) that there
Is nothing hypothetical about being
In a low quality environment/situation.
The bias lies in the value rigidity.
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On Dec 5, 2013, at 1:22 PM, MarshaV val...@att.net wrote:
Hypothetical is a good approach,
Ron,
Okay, low value is low value, but how is using the monkey trap analogy not a
hypothetical?
Marsha
On Dec 5, 2013, at 2:52 PM, Ron Kulp xa...@rocketmail.com wrote:
Using the monkey trAp analogy,
It would seem (to me) that there
Is nothing hypothetical about being
In a low
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