Swift/SwiftUI and using Xcode correct.
On Sat, Jan 11, 2020 at 9:03 AM Mac Doktor wrote:
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> On Jan 10, 2020, at 4:58 PM, Jeff Thomas
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> Thanks, sorry I won't be able to move this across to Android myself, more
> than happy to help out if someone else has the
Thanks, sorry I won't be able to move this across to Android myself, more
than happy to help out if someone else has the motivation to port it across.
On Sat, Jan 11, 2020 at 4:04 AM Mac Doktor wrote:
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> On Jan 9, 2020, at 5:57 PM, Samuel G. Guss wrote:
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> What about us Android guys?
On Tuesday, February 25, 2014 8:16:45 AM UTC-7, Paul Parry wrote:
Hi all,
As someone quite new to Nixies, where would you recommend the best place
to get some IN-18 tubes from? Direct from somewhere in Ukraine or off eBay?
Cheers,
Paul
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Nick, great to see you were successful with the update, and the mini DIN
install looks very nice!
Another vintage nixie timepiece back into service. Regards, Jeff
On Tuesday, February 18, 2014 8:15:05 AM UTC-7, Nick wrote:
After a bit of work (new GPS sub-system, new firmware, various
On Thursday, January 30, 2014 1:36:21 PM UTC-7, Nixcited delighted wrote:
Anyone come across Royworld before? Modern beat combo - found them by
complete accident.
Nice to see another NixiSat has surfaced. For the newer members, the
NixiSat was my first commercial GPS referenced clock
The seller of these tubes is Patrick, and was a member of the old yahoo
neonixie-L (user=arcpat1 from as early as '04), although I don't know if
he's posted to the replacement google list.
Yeah, IMHO these B7971's are just washed-and-recycled tubes in the stock
styro carrier. It really does
http://www.ebay.com/itm/261172534593?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649
Saw thisprobably one of the most interesting listings on eBay I've
seen in a while...
Go on, who's got 40K to spend and wants to make some IN-18's? ;-)
Nick
Now, if this had been the tooling
On Saturday, January 12, 2013 12:30:52 PM UTC-7, kay486 wrote:
O yea, i have two Z568M (the darker coating version) with the original RFT
boxes. Do you know if they were ever sold in bigger lots originaly?
As I understood, there were many thousands of these Z568's rotting away in
a former
Nahh. That's where buyer protection comes in. You just get to stew a little
until your money comes back.
The images are fresh, and not lifted from others. I'd be more concerned
with adequate packing, as the crate they're in are not the individual RFT
boxes they originally shipped in.
Anyone
I was looking around London's Saatchi art gallery today. There is a
refreshment establishment attached to it called the Gallery Mess
Restaurant, which considers itself to be quite upmarket and sophisticated,
yet it has this curious piece of lit tubing hanging up. I am somewhat
I would have thought that with 10 being the maximum loudness then having
one that goes to 11 for extra loudness would be marvellous !
For anyone who hasn't heard the joke
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Up_to_eleven
John K.
Excellent point John. Audiophools will eat that up.
On Wednesday, December 5, 2012 8:50:08 AM UTC-7, Mimewar wrote:
How many of you got an e-mail from Ray after you bought a kit or clock,
telling you what happened? Or that you weren't getting what you paid for?
He gladly took, and kept the money, and ran.
There's a few of us out there.
On Tuesday, December 4, 2012 8:09:47 PM UTC-7, Raymond Weisling wrote:
I feel it is only reasonable that I defend myself from the poison pens
that gathered.
Hello Ray.
Hopefully I can help provide some insight into the damage to the members of
the neonixie-L forum, and the (formerly)
Hello Ray.
I can provide a somewhat detailed list of names with email addresses of
customers who would appreciate a refund of payments made to you.
Jeff
On Sunday, December 2, 2012 8:07:11 PM UTC-7, Raymond Weisling wrote:
Noble idea, but I have no surviving records of who was left
Although not nixie, it includes technology and HV bits the neonixie members
may find entertaining.
Nine months ago I took on a Halloween stage show project for our children
and their friends.
I began composing the music for their stage performances in January, using
MIDI as the instrument
On Wednesday, September 19, 2012 6:39:22 PM UTC-7, dr pepper wrote:
So why is multiplexing a bad idea, and static displays make tubes last
longer?, does multiplexing accelerate cathode poisoning or something?
I have 3 or 4 prototypes I've put together and they all use
multiplxing, even
You forgot the other pro's:
- reduced power consumption
- dramatically increased tube life at equal cathode current.
-Adam
Right you are! :))
Here's a few more to support your posts:
- Less weight.
- Fewer calories.
- Smaller Carbon footprint.
Although in fairness, since were
Good question.
There are a few factors involved. Varying penning gas pressure/mix, process
variations in materials assembly and burn-in, and the possibility of
residual oxygen. We know that KR85, if introduced to assist in ionization
would be long gone.
I've experienced the same in testing
Hi Michel, that was great work on your battery life analysis!
That's a real testament of your efforts in designing for efficiency.
So what's this about the Australian Nixie Watch? is it something worn
down under ;)
Kidding aside, Congratulations on your work.
Regards, Jeff
On Sunday, July
Speaking from considerable experience; you must drive the older date code
IN-18 tubes at beyond 5ma cathode current to limit the effects of cathode
poisoning.
The 1980-1983 production tubes are a particularly nasty batch, tending to
form oxides on active cathodes in spite of the excessive
I have a firm buyer I can connect you with by email, if you have one that
you are willing to sell.
Please email me directly. Thanks for the consideration!
Regards, Jeff
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Ahhh yes, they smell blood in the water...
Just like the IN-18's; the cartel has fixed their prices even though nobody
appears to be paying. Well, maybe Dieter.
Regards, Jeff
On Thursday, June 21, 2012 9:40:46 AM UTC-7, marcin wrote:
Did any of you hear about IN-23 tubes? And there is
On Tuesday, June 12, 2012 7:48:19 PM UTC-7, philthepill wrote:
On Monday, June 11, 2012 10:12:22 AM UTC-4, heavyleaded wrote:
Does anyone know what would be a n easy way to light up a tube? I would
like to be able to light up individual tubes just to test each digit.
I pulled the
It appears to have a few hours on it, although it should be an easy task to
remove any oxide buildup (cathode poisoning) from the digits.
They're scarce these days, so handle with care :)
Regards, Jeff
On Wednesday, June 6, 2012 11:22:26 AM UTC-7, kay486 wrote:
Hi there, i just bought one
Excellent Michel!
I really enjoyed the cover label on the Lithium Cellski.
If you have a couple more unused I/O pins, maybe RGB led control?
Regards, Jeff
On Friday, May 18, 2012 4:55:50 AM UTC-7, Cobra007 wrote:
Thanks Guys!
Sure there is also a video coming one of these days but I
On Wednesday, May 16, 2012 3:38:17 PM UTC-7, nixiebunny wrote:
On 5/16/2012 3:10 PM, Matthew wrote:
Adam, good point about the multiplexing - I picked up on the idea of
multiplexing the segments somewhere, but I guess it would affect the
brightness and it seems simpler to just fire
On 6 May 2012, at 17:08, Dieter Waechter wrote:
Well Bob,
the problem is, that the pinout is understood wrong in 99.9% for both,
IN-18 and IN-4.
All PCB designs for the IN-18 I have seen from other people are WRONG!
;-)
Dieter
Dieter, you never saw my IN-18 clock then, because I
, it's neat to see some, it's been a while!
Jeff, how is the case design for the 3 tube watch going?
Jeff Thomas wrote:
Nice to see some of these little nixies surface.
Perfect if you want to build a tiny nixie watch.
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Nice to see some of these little nixies surface.
Perfect if you want to build a tiny nixie watch.
Regards, Jeff
On Monday, March 19, 2012 2:28:22 PM UTC-7, marcin wrote:
Hi Guys,
auction 290686043596 offers them in quantity. The pins look bent.
Seller says they are new, only badly stored.
And it appears the seller has increased their per item price four times in
the course of five hours. Now at $26 a piece.
Obviously he smells blood in the water. Que the Jaws theme...
Regards, Jeff
On Monday, March 19, 2012 5:19:04 PM UTC-7, Jeff Thomas wrote:
Nice to see some
On Tuesday, March 6, 2012 5:52:30 AM UTC-7, H. Carl Ott wrote:
I'd like to see the schematic / design of a clock that 'eats' tubes.
Always lessons to be learned.
Also frit seal leakage from pin stress is a possibility. If the board uses
flush mounted pin sockets, and the designer wasn't
On Tuesday, March 6, 2012 8:23:47 AM UTC-7, Michail wrote:
Sold For:
US $575.00
Michail
In the auction listing at the bottom:
***You may call me (Dave) anytime at (602) xxx-
*
Yeah! I'd let you call me anything you want if you paid me that much for a
pair of B7971's :)))
And
On Friday, March 2, 2012 6:27:01 AM UTC-7, Dave wrote:
UPDATE.
Another note: Their IN-17's do NOT come with the plastic spacer.
Dave, if your app requires the spacer, I can mail some out to you.
I've been removing them, and have a box with thousands in various colors.
Regards, Jeff
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Terry, your assessment was very good.
From the volume of tubes examined over the years, the antenna-like
center support was used on tubes dated between 6350 and 6415. The
envelope is also a little taller. 6350 was the earliest production
date I'd seen.
The underscore shape also varies from steep
I chose the HV5530 way back in 2003, and never looked for anything
else.
They've powered Z568, Z570, IN-18 and GR414 monster nixies without a
single failure across a few thousand clocks.
Here's a schematic example, used on a range of four different models:
On Feb 23, 11:16 am, MrNixie (UK) laurence.wilk...@dsl.pipex.com
wrote:
Yes, a neat little chip, which rather renders other time references
such as GPS or radio time codes unnecessary for all practical
purposes. But then, I don't think of a nixie clock as just a practical
time piece!
On Feb 15, 12:42 am, David Forbes dfor...@dakotacom.net wrote:
Folks,
I am going to be in San Francisco this Saturday giving a brief talk at
the Exploratorium about how I ended up making watches.
As a preparation for this talk, I have resurrected my Scope Pocket Watch
that I built ten
On Feb 9, 11:22 am, Nicholas Stock nickst...@gmail.com wrote:
I'd have to disagree with you there Dieter, nothing wrong with acrylic
cases for IN-18 clocks..
http://www.pvelectronics.co.uk/index.php?main_page=product_infocPath...
It wasn't cheap or easy to do either;-)
Nick
On Thu,
On Feb 9, 11:22 am, Nicholas Stock nickst...@gmail.com wrote:
I'd have to disagree with you there Dieter, nothing wrong with acrylic
cases for IN-18 clocks..
http://www.pvelectronics.co.uk/index.php?main_page=product_infocPath...
It wasn't cheap or easy to do either;-)
Nick
On Thu,
On Feb 9, 12:10 pm, Nicholas Stock nickst...@gmail.com wrote:
You're not much of a fan of Hi-Fi Jeff? ;-)
Dang, you caught me...
We recently replaced the Symphonic brand AM/FM receiver, clad in the
finest Asian hardwood, with simulated woodgrain vinyl veneer.
:))
Seriously though, it's hard
On Feb 8, 11:11 am, Nick n...@desmith.net wrote:
There's a class action law suit being launched in the USA (where
else!) claiming injury due to the mercury in tubes/valves,
specifically rectifiers. Several surplus-type suppliers are
mentioned.
No-one has raised the spectre of nixies, most of
On Feb 8, 12:59 pm, Dieter Waechter i...@nocrotec.com wrote:
Hello Nixie Friends,
The new IN-18 Blue Dream Nixie Clock is finally
available.http://snipurl.com/224752n
I hope you like it and its great new features.
Thanks for all comments.
All the best
DIETERhttp://www.nocrotec.com/
Great
On Feb 8, 4:15 pm, Nicholas Stock nickst...@gmail.com wrote:
What's his basis for the exposure? He's breaking all the tubes and inhaling
the vapour?
Does the US have any vexatious litigation laws?
That has been the primary question circulating on the forums.
He's an tech, and worked with
On Feb 7, 8:28 am, micha...@aol.com wrote:
That's unfortunate.
I have ordered 1000x IV-17 without response.
Michail
Sorry to hear that.
Based on your quantity, there are other sources of these tubes from EU
vendors on ebay.
The legitimate sellers will usually accept paypal if you carry the
Considering this was a thread that began as a troll, it appears the
troll(s) were trolled. IE: trolls (^3).
Trolling a troll is the ultimate troll. Unless you get trolled...
underwater.
AFAIK, there are very few women (or even fewer ladies) who would wear
a bulky watch of any kind in public.
On Feb 5, 10:01 am, David Forbes dfor...@dakotacom.net wrote:
On 2/5/12 9:35 AM, Jeff Thomas wrote:
On Feb 5, 7:38 am, J Forbesjforbnos...@selectric.org wrote:
I'd sure like to see some competition in the Nixie watch business.
Having only one design available is a drag. Get working
On Feb 2, 9:34 pm, David Forbes dfor...@dakotacom.net wrote:
Well, I'm back at it, designing the ladies' Nixie watch. Someone's got
to do it.
I have some samples of this battery, or an equivalent thereof...
http://www.all-battery.com/browseproducts/Polymer-Li-Ion-Battery-3.7V...
It seems
On Feb 2, 9:34 pm, David Forbes dfor...@dakotacom.net wrote:
Well, I'm back at it, designing the ladies' Nixie watch. Someone's got
to do it.
I have some samples of this battery, or an equivalent thereof...
http://www.all-battery.com/browseproducts/Polymer-Li-Ion-Battery-3.7V...
It seems
On Feb 3, 8:42 am, Lucky dave.lucky.po...@gmail.com wrote:
On this subject do you think these are a good idea?
http://www.all-battery.com/browseproducts/Protection-circuit-Module-%...
I have a nixie clock circuit that uses a LiPo or Li-Ion as backup but
unsure of its charging capabilities
On Feb 2, 2:08 am, Quixotic Nixotic nixci...@jsdesign.co.uk wrote:
On 2 Feb 2012, at 03:27, David Forbes wrote:
I think I had that book checked out continuously for 6 months in
4th grade. In fact, the odds are excellent that it's the book that
I'm reading on the floor in this photo. My
On Jan 22, 12:42 pm, David Forbes dfor...@dakotacom.net wrote:
Wit ha bit of scaling and divide-by trickery, one could convert that
arrangement into a Nixie clock with tuning-fork accuracy instead of the
ovenized quartz crystal built into the HP counter.
Why one would want to is another
On Jan 5, 10:35 am, coggs bob.coggesh...@gmail.com wrote:
When I ship my nixie clocks internationally, I do not include a power
adapter.
Hi Bob,
I ship the Cincon TR10R120-11A03 series with clocks when shipping to
outside north America.
It's wall wart with a replaceable shoe that
On Jan 4, 12:04 pm, fixitsan chefin...@gmail.com wrote:
It could be very historic.
Hopefully not a historic failure. If so, they also risk a chance of
preemptive stink on a fine product idea.
There may not be enough deep-pockets benefactors willing to blow 10x
the target production price for a
Many have read about Ray's misdeeds from the pages I'd published
online.
Some who'd posted in this thread were victims and chimed in with their
feelings. And others who weren't victims did as well.
There's nothing defensible in what Ray did. If he had ran a little
short on cash to deliver a few
Well explained Nick.
It's really a lot of effort to use any type of HF switcher with a TRF
receiver in close proximity.
As an alternate to the back-to-back transformer, you could assemble an
inverter to drive the center tapped output of a small transformer in
reverse at ~60-80 hz.
I assembled a
On Dec 2, 6:11 am, Terry S tschw10...@aol.com wrote:
Excellent Jeff! Only one comment -- your electronics are quite a work
of art - why hide them in a drawer?
Hi Terry.
It had to pass the WAF (Wife Acceptance Factor) on installation. So
there couldn't be any visible blinky stuff or wires
On Nov 30, 10:44 am, Nick n...@desmith.net wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WjBDfZZQz54feature=related
Hopefully not too OT: I had repurposed a set of 21 vintage Cathedral
tubular Chimes as an exotic door chime last year.
http://www.amug.org/~jthomas/chimes.html
MIDI sequence files are
On Nov 23, 3:07 pm, Nick n...@desmith.net wrote:
Sorry - they had to be returned to the vendor as proof to get new
tubes sent - he was dreadful at packing the tubes - never did it
properly - I estimate that at least 10% of all the 7971s he shipped
(it was a couple of 1000) broke, i.e. at
Marcin,
Back in 2003; I used a low cost CFL Inverter, and added a multiplier
on the backside to power a one tube NIMO clock called the CyClock.
Here is a link to the schematic in PDF form:
http://www.amug.org/~jthomas/cyclock.pdf
The MCU was James Sweet's AT2313 one tube Nixie clock, controlling
they're ready.
Regards, Jeff
On Aug 30, 11:26 am, Nick n...@desmith.net wrote:
Looks very nice - must have one!
Shipping to UK?
Thanks
Nick
On Aug 30, 7:01 pm, Jeff Thomas nixich...@gmail.com wrote:
I began a spare time project last January with Pete Hand to develop a
GPS Four
And a big Thumbs Up from me for the Cogwheel INx7 (or the B7971x8)
version.
It's easy to understand why you're temporarily sold out on the
assembled version :)
Regards, Jeff
(dang typos)
On Aug 25, 3:59 pm, coggs bob.coggesh...@gmail.com wrote:
FWIW, it doesn't meet all your stated
Mike, you also might want to post to the ARF as to whether it's worth
spending your money for radiomuseum membership.
If you're looking for a schematic in PDF, have you tried Nostalgia
Air?
http://www.nostalgiaair.org/Resources/
Hope this helps!
Regards, Jeff
On Aug 18, 1:22 pm, threeneurons
There is a vast difference between reducing your manufacturing costs
and Muntzing.
I've not used the term muntzing in many years. The last time I did
was when a marketing fleeb sat in on an engineering meeting with the
belief our EE/ME staff were taking too long on a complex project that
was
Oh quit it Mike. You're too humble ;)
Adam is right on.
You have patiently helped many members here over the years. Explaining
those critical tiny details (a few times repeated IIRC), along with
drawings composed by hand.
And you don't post just to draw attention to yourself.
So, from one nixie
On Jul 18, 8:21 am, David Forbes dfor...@dakotacom.net wrote:
Well, I used an accelerometer in my Nixie watch as early as 2002 to tell
it when to display the time, but I used reed switches to set the time
magnetically.
The accelerometer is a wonderful little gadget. They can be had, mounted
On Jul 15, 8:51 am, Dieter Waechter i...@nocrotec.com wrote:
It can not appear there, since Jeff does not apply any Ucc.
The cathodes are switched from 170V to zero.
He uses real high voltage supertex drivers, no clamped drivers (like
74141 are, for example).
I hope you have not changed the
Both of those clocks (the ttl model and the discrete transistor model)
get a thumbs up from me!
Hopefully it's not just us older members who appreciate the lack of an
embedded MCU.
Regards, Jeff
On Jul 13, 3:26 pm, Nicholas Stock nickst...@gmail.com wrote:
Terry, the kabtronics Nixie clock
On Jun 28, 8:40 pm, David Forbes dfor...@dakotacom.net wrote:
Why not publish the source code?
Hey!, this is Terry's thread.
It's easier to keep those bunnies from taking credit for your
ideas ;) And please contact me privately if you need it explained to
you.
Or you might ask any of these folks
On Jun 27, 11:23 pm, MichaelB mbari...@dslextreme.com wrote:
Interesting...wonder if he's monitoring this forum? It's all the
rage..ya' know!
Wow, this thread has legs!
I wonder if the continual revisions, or the prior explanation of
'having gotten them from a passed away collector' might be
I've listed another tested batch of B7971's on ebay BIN for those who
need them.
http://search.ebay.com/120741967844
Regards, Jeff
On Jun 24, 6:42 am, Terry S tschw10...@aol.com wrote:
All the B7971's I had available have been sold. Thanks for your
interest.
Terry
On Jun 18, 9:19 am,
I especially liked his bullet list, and #4 in particular (copied below
for amusement). He obviously has a bit of experience in that dept.
4. Please DO NOT try to clone the whole unit: - The manifold tracks
will kill you : - ). - MCU encoded, which means although you can clone
the board, you
The hole for the IN-18 exhaust tip is .250 diameter.
Regards, Jeff
On Jun 8, 7:46 pm, A.J. Franzman a.j.franz...@verizon.net wrote:
On Jun 7, 6:52 pm, Nicholas Stock nickst...@gmail.com wrote:
Exactly the same thing happened to me too Waynereplacing a tube in my
Nixichron and pop, off
Hi, I would recommend eBay as a place to offer these tubes for sale.
Regards, Jeff
On Apr 26, 7:45 am, watacchi watacc...@yahoo.co.jp wrote:
Hi everyone.
I have sooo huge stock of CD81 nixie tubes.
Does anyone wants them?
I can surely say that these are so rare and
this may be last chance
As Tim pointed out, the high frequency SMPS are a *real* shielding
issue when used to generate B+ voltages for vintage tube radio battery
eliminators. The materials expense may not be worth the few % of
efficiency gain over the simple low-freq B+ inverter circuits that
have been used for decades.
, please
understand that I ship Express mail, insured with signature -$$
This is a limited time offer ending on 04-27-11, or while supplies
last.
Please Do not wait.
Best Regards, Jeff Thomas
http://www.nixichron.com
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On Mar 10, 9:50 pm, Gene Segal wavefr...@earthlink.net wrote:
Hi Jeff,
I noticed that orders have dropped off quite a bit, and I'm just curious if
it's because you haven't had any orders, or if you've found a different
source.
As always, I favor open communication between people whom I
On Mar 7, 5:31 pm, xdugef i...@xdugef.com wrote:
Another thing I'd really like to see in this clock is the ability to
have it scroll texts.
Too Funny!
I was thinking something similar, and have it scroll time information
with variable degree of accuracy set in menu ;)
Five after six
Quarter
2011 14:26, Jeff Thomas nixich...@gmail.com wrote:
I was thinking something similar, and have it scroll time information
with variable degree of accuracy set in menu ;)
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Terry, not cool. What's gotten into you?
I believe you owe Mort an apology after that attack.
Nick, I think this thread has run it's course.
On Feb 28, 7:26 am, Terry S tschw10...@aol.com wrote:
You're right -- I'm done on this topic. Your vitriolic response has
completely proven my point.
I totally agree with Gene. I was hoping someone else would recognize
the phenomenon.
A little too much of stress on a marginal biscuit frit seal, and it
begins a slow return to atmosphere ;)
It's a somewhat rare occurrence (unless your eagle IN18 pin pattern
was laid out while drunk -haha). Just
:02, Jeff Thomas nixich...@gmail.com wrote:
On Feb 4, 4:40 pm, marta_kson marta_k...@yahoo.com wrote:
BTW does any of You know how I can remove the us-only shipping that
unintentionally got into the listing? Buyers from all countries of the
world is of cource welcome to bid
wrote:
*Its been a long time since I built the wonderful Jeff Thomas WWVB Radio
Controlled Nixie Clock. I was never able to get the modified Quartex module
to get a reliable receiver lock to keep the time accurately and I
reluctantly retired the clock over 5 years ago. Recently however, I
Heh, no a problem Gene. And Thank You for the heads up.
Two more are expected today, so expect another order for twelve.
I'll confirm by private mail.
Regards, Jeff
On Dec 17, 7:03 pm, Gene Segal wavefr...@earthlink.net wrote:
Sorry, gang..that was intended for Jeff.
Happy Holidays to all.
Hi Mike, I think he's just feeling you out ;)
Regards, Jeff
On Dec 10, 7:21 pm, MichaelB mbari...@dslextreme.com wrote:
Nope, that baby is still there in all it's splendor!
http://cgi.ebay.com/RARE-NIXIE-TUBE-Z568M-1-pieces-Ukraine-/310278785...
On Dec 10, 5:55 pm, David Povey
On Dec 7, 1:06 am, Jens Boos webmas...@jb-electronics.de wrote:
It is just insane how Nixie tube prices have increased. I have been
collecting these tubes since 2006 or so I guess, so I also missed the
startoff. What can the veterans around here tell us? Some anecdotes
about CD47 tubes for 80
On Nov 21, 5:01 pm, micha...@aol.com wrote:
Wow. $6 each.
I only have about 35 left, but I wasn't lucky enough to pay those prices.
When I finish my time machine, I will go back and get a bunch. :)
I last purchased IN-18's in volume back in oct '03 at $4.50 USD a
piece, shipped.
They
On Sep 10, 1:53 pm, Shane Ellis mime...@gmail.com wrote:
A lot of the missing people were members in name only.
Bingo. As A.J. might attest, the yahoo group had a membership Ebb and
Flow as a result of the requirement to register and log in to simply
read the posts.
It creates an artificially
On Sep 10, 1:53 pm, Shane Ellis mime...@gmail.com wrote:
A lot of the missing people were members in name only.
Bingo. As A.J. might attest, the yahoo group had a membership Ebb and
Flow as a result of the requirement to register and log in to simply
read the posts.
It creates an artificially
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