For those of us who live far from Northumberland and who don't know the
personalities involved, all this stuff is extremely cryptic (although still
fascinating). All we can do is draw conclusions on the basis of the messages
as we read them, conclusions that may or may not be correct.
I take your
>> I have no opinion whatsoever on the truth of the assertions made in
>> this recent posting.
>> However, I believe it is indecent for a child to be publically
>> criticised in this forum.
>
>
>I agree.
So do I, particularly as it is probably not the kid's fault that she has a
pushy mother,
David Baker wrote:
>>Had it not been for certain groups of musicians breaking the rules
>>because what resulted sounded good to them, the only style of trumpet
>>playing would be baroque, and jazz would not exist (to give but one
>>example).
Hmmm...that is a very interesting take on the history o
Hi David,
I too have little experience of piping, but I agree that the area of the
correct way to play is a subject of some debate. I am keen to ensure that
the NSP community is receptive to the efforts of young pipers, (and older
ones, no prejudice here) so as I reckon you have a good thirty
< I don't think it fair to call any style of playing any
> instrument 'incorrect' simply because it does not adhere rigidly to
> tradition.
Here we go again!
FWIW:
I a) value the tradition (and the baroque) and b) agree wholeheartedly with the
above statement.
I play various instruments in
> Do you think math teachers are unfair for calling answers
>"wrong"?
>
>
I'm sorry, but this is frankly silly. Proving things write or rongue is what
maths is about.
Something may be "wrong" when playing a given style music (like playing jazz as
if it was classical and vice versa) but descr
David was just being succinct. Mercifully, not everyone witters on at the
length of, inter alia, yours truly ;-)
The pipes too have undergone many developments from open-ended nine notes to
closed-ended with up to two+ chromatic octaves and seventeen keys. Closed
fingering was but one of them.
I think this very eloquently says it all - about piping, about music in
general, and about life as a whole.
I hope my wife is doing rumbled thumps again for lunch. Gudden appetit.
chirs
>-Original Message-
>From: Anthony Robb [mailto:anth...@robbpipes.com]
>Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009
>Something may be "wrong" when playing a given style music (like
playing jazz as if it >was classical and vice versa) but describing a
style as "wrong in itself" can only be >regarded as narrow-mindedness -
can't it?
c
I'm not sure it's as simple as this Chris. In order to deve
On 14 Apr 2009, Anthony Robb wrote:
>The pipes were designed to provide a staccato (or at least a
>separated note) foundation to the music. If a person ignores this
>completely from the outset then the product may not be wrong but it
>is certainly misguided. Let pipers take the mu
I went to that Manitas de Plata concert too!
I think its a great example of a good theory Anthony. I totally agree.
Cheers
Helen
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Come on Chris, you know fine well who is responsible a and so do the
others on this list. Sounding off at bairns themselves certainly wonat
bring about a process of reflection and correction. As for your
comments re the 4^th year piping student, it should be made clear that
the onl
< She mentioned the Kathryn Tickell connection at
> our first lesson just before Christmas 2008 and when I quizzed her
> further she admited she had had 1 lesson from her.
Good to know that KT is not "responsible" either. It would not be the first
time in this forum that the lady has been di
EXACTLY!!!
Cheers,
Paul Gretton
-Original Message-
From: Anthony Robb [mailto:anth...@robbpipes.com]
Sent: 14 April 2009 12:01
To: Dartmouth NPS
Subject: [NSP] Style
>Something may be "wrong" when playing a given style music (like
playing jazz as if it >was classical and vice ve
>If a person ignores this
>completely from
> the outset then the product may not be wrong but it is certainly
> misguided. Let pipers take the music in any direction they
>wish but to
> have any connection with Northumbrian piping as such they must spend
> time studying the starting po
Not only Manitas da Plata!!!
c
>-Original Message-
>From: Helen Capes [mailto:helen.ca...@paradise.net.nz]
>Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 12:22 PM
>To: 'Dartmouth NPS'
>Subject: [NSP] Re: Lisa Ridley
>
>I went to that Manitas de Plata concert too!
>I think its a great example of a good t
Chris wrote:
>>like opera singers their brute power and vibrato
I think you need to listen to more (good) opera singers, mate!
Cheers,
Paul Gretton
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>I think you need to listen to more (good) opera singers, mate!
Maybe. Who would you suggest?
c
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> the clip sounded poor and yes, the article itself was
> unfortunate but Jessica isn't responsible.
So...
I finally got round to listening to it, and it was far far better than I had
been led to expect. How were today's (and yesteryear's) big names playing when
they were 14? Are there any r
I'm quite enjoying this debate.
As a total "outsider", it's very interesting to hear what appears to be two
totally opposing sides.
The first are those that play the pipes in the time-honoured tradition -
both in style and technique and the second those that play for enjoyment and
are not afrai
Well the first name that springs to mind is the wonderful Natalie Dessay
-swoon! drool! -- or a few octaves lower Gottlob Frick. And Lauri-Volpi in
the middle.
But closer to where you are, and thinking about power (actually projection)
and vibrato (actually lack of it) how about a trip to Cologne
> I went to that Manitas de Plata concert too!
There's a strange convergence in mentioning Manitas de Plata here.
During his period of fame, which I also remember, he was lionized by
the great and good (e.g. Picasso, Dali), who, I suspect, would have
seen him as a kind of unsophisticated 'product
Hellos apiece
What, pray, is choyting??
As aye
Anthony
--- On Tue, 14/4/09, colin wrote:
From: colin
Subject: [NSP] Re: Style
To: nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu
Date: Tuesday, 14 April, 2009, 12:27 PM
I'm quite enjoying this debate.
As a total "outsider", it's ve
>Hooray. At last, something I can agree with publicly. I'm trying to
>call it detached fingering (or tenuto for the technically minded),
>rather than staccato, but that's a minor detail.
>
Right! And remember "staccato" does not mean "short". It means
"separated". "Detached/detaché" on
Chirs wrote:
>>Why should NSP be the only instrument restricted to a single style?
The "should" is not a matter of authoritarian compulsion or hidebound
conservatism but of appropriateness. Unlike the violin, the NSP has until
very recently been associated with a very specific repertoire, the cor
--- On Tue, 14/4/09, Matt Seattle
wrote:
Talking of convergence, third time of asking, does no-one have
ANYthing to say about presence or absence of rant rhythm in any of
Peacock's tunes?
Well Matt,
As far as I can remember there are quite a few dance tunes in the
Peaco
On 14 Apr 2009, Anthony Robb wrote:
>What, pray, is choyting??
Tom Clough writing to Will Cocks in early 1920s:
"When quite a youngster an old piper of last century and a splendid
performer (Thomas Todd?) gave me very simple and very grand advice:
"If you want to be a good piper, listen to
> As far as I can remember there are quite a few dance tunes in the Peacock
> collection. I'm not able to check how "ranty" they are the moment
I'm thinking specifically of variation sets - Cuckold, Cut & Dry, I
Saw My Love, Jack Lattin (however he's spelt) - which I suspect you
can check from yo
Hello Julia
Many thanks for that. It seems to me that Billy Pigg did quite a bit of
choyting. Is this the case?
Regards
Anthony
--- On Tue, 14/4/09, julia@nspipes.co.uk
wrote:
From: julia@nspipes.co.uk
Subject: [NSP] Re: Style
To: nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu
So from rants to rants...
My feeling is that the crotchet-heavy 4/4 feel of a rant, as played for
dancing, is probably the opposite of what Peacock liked doing - that is
playing/listening music if anything is. But there are tunes in there - some of
the short ones particularly - with an affini
> But are Peacock's tunes, at least the variation sets, dance music, whatever
> their origins?
I agree that this is listening music, John, and of a high order -
which is, let us face it, not the case with most traditional music
played at sessions and in concerts, which is far too often merely
da
Hello all,
Billy Pigg did choyt.
When I was learning the nsp is the late 1970's / early1980's there were not
too many players which I liked the playing of. I plumped for Billy Pigg
because he was marketed as being a legend; although Tom Clough was The
Prince of Pipers, there was not enough of h
Tim,
I think the suggestion that someone who wants to master the instrument
and play well is doing it as a "technical exercise" instead of
enjoying playing music is insulting. I believe that if you're going
to play music you first need to get a level of competency on the
instrument you p
But Chris, we're not talking about styles at all. We're talking about
something more simple than that, just learning to control the
instrument. Or do you consider playing well a different style of
playing than playing sloppily? Whether you play the traditional tunes
or rock and roll is s
Rick,
No insult intended, must be the way I phrase things. Some of my best friends
are extremely good musicians. I didn't mean to imply that those who seek
technical perfection don't also enjoy the music.
Tim
- Original Message -
From: "Rick Damon"
To: "tim rolls BT"
Cc: "David
Hello Adrian
Thanks for that. I'm new to this debate and find it all fascinating.
I'm obviously one of the damned because I find choyting expressive and
beautiful in the right place. The thought of "moving on" from Billy
Pigg to Tom Clough is as strange to me as "moving on" from Yor
Begin forwarded message:
> From: STEPHEN DOUGLASS
> Date: April 14, 2009 4:25:05 PM EDT
> To: Paul Gretton
> Subject: Re: [NSP] Re: Re:Styles
>
> Paul,
>
> In the 1926 recording of Elgar's Enigma by the Royal Albert Hall
> Orchestra ,conducted by the composer himself, there is audible
> slidin
>>>The important thing to bear in mind is that ordinary folk like me just
>>>know what we like.
GROAN!! This "I'm just an ordinary bloke, a man of the people
with simple tastes" stuff is so unutterably tedious
I thought you were a school headmaster with a degree in a hard s
Hi All,
On 14 Apr 2009 at 12:43, Anthony Robb wrote:
>
>Hello Adrian
>Thanks for that. I'm new to this debate and find it all fascinating.
You have obviously been out of touch with the latest developments in piping for
several years. We all knew of Chris Ormston's preference for the Cl
Hello Paul
Thank you for that considered contribution.
I thought I made it clear I was speaking from my position as a piper.
My other qualifications are totally irrelevant in this context!
May I ask about your musical background??
Anthony
--- On Tue, 14/4/09, Paul Gretton wro
Hi All
For:
Remember the motto of the mediocre:
Eagles my soar, but weasels dong get sucked into jet engines
Read:
Remember the motto of the mediocre:
Eagles my soar, but weasels dong get sucked into jet engines
Also
Chris Ormston explained why ...
Chris Ormston explained why open gracing fr
>>I thought I made it clear I was speaking from my position as a piper.
My other qualifications are totally irrelevant in this context!
No, they certainly aren't when you disingenuously presenting yourself
as lacking the sophistication that you obviously have.
>>May I ask about y
Hello Barry
Nothing more to be said.
I'll bow to your superior knowledge and ability and leave the site
forthwith.
Anthony
--- On Tue, 14/4/09, Barry Say wrote:
From: Barry Say
Subject: [NSP] Re: Billy Pigg
To: nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu, "what.me"
Date: Tuesday
Robert quoted: "Let pipers take the music in any direction they wish but to
have any connection with Northumbrian piping as such they must spend
time studying the starting point thoroughly before setting off on their
journey. If people dont see the point in doing this then chosing to
pl
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