Re: Fundraising

2011-08-13 Thread Rob Weir
On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 2:45 PM, Eike Rathke wrote: > Hi Rob, > > On Saturday, 2011-08-13 10:51:57 -0400, Rob Weir wrote: > >> Donations went to Team OpenOffice.org, e.V, or to SPI (for US >> donations).  I'm assuming that Oracle does not control either of these >&

Re: Fundraising

2011-08-13 Thread Rob Weir
On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 8:22 PM, Andy Brown wrote: > Simon Phipps wrote: >> >> On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 7:45 PM, Eike Rathke  wrote: >> >>> >>> Team OOo paid bursaries for individuals that went to OOoCons and >>> Hackfest, paid hardware for buildbots and pootle servers, paid students >>> for the OO

Re: [WWW] Web analytics

2011-08-13 Thread Rob Weir
On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 11:28 AM, Kay Schenk wrote: > > > On 08/13/2011 05:55 AM, Rob Weir wrote: > <--snip--> > >>> >> >> My understanding is that there were two issues raised by regulators: >> >> 1) Google stores IP addresses of visitors.  I

Re: [Issues] [DISCUSS] Can we track Issues Somehow? (was RE: Speaking of JIRA, Where's Ours?)

2011-08-14 Thread Rob Weir
tore such information will just scatter the information more than concentrate it. If we had used an issue tracker consistently from the start it might have been different. But we didn't. >  - Dennis > > -Original Message- > From: Rob Weir [mailto:apa...@robweir.com] > Se

Re: Extensions and templates site down

2011-08-14 Thread Rob Weir
On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 8:26 AM, drew wrote: > The site (particularly templates) seems hinky, bad, and has for a over a > day now, once again. > Do we know what the underlying issue is? Is it load related? Do we have any stats on the most-downloaded extensions? Would it be worth treating them

Re: Fundraising

2011-08-14 Thread Rob Weir
On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 10:41 PM, Simon Phipps wrote: > On Aug 14, 2011 3:33 AM, "Andy Brown" wrote: >> >> Simon Phipps wrote: >> >>> >>> I don't follow that reasoning. If (hypothetically) I want to pay for you > to >>> go to Bermuda for a vacation, it's between you and me and no business of > th

Re: [www] Ext / Temp repository stability ( was Extensions and templates site down )

2011-08-14 Thread Rob Weir
On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 9:57 AM, drew wrote: > On Sun, 2011-08-14 at 15:31 +0200, Reizinger Zoltán wrote: >> 2011.08.14. 15:07 keltezéssel, Rob Weir írta: >> > On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 8:26 AM, drew  wrote: >> >> The site (particularly templates) seems hinky, bad,

Re: Fundraising

2011-08-14 Thread Rob Weir
On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 10:25 AM, Simon Phipps wrote: > > On 14 Aug 2011, at 14:24, Rob Weir wrote: > >> We have a trademark policy that states what uses are permitted without >> additional permission, and which uses may be allowed with specific >> permission from A

Re: Fundraising

2011-08-14 Thread Rob Weir
On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 10:57 AM, Simon Phipps wrote: > On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 3:49 PM, Rob Weir wrote: > >> On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 10:25 AM, Simon Phipps wrote: >> > >> > On 14 Aug 2011, at 14:24, Rob Weir wrote: >> > >> >> We have a t

Re: Fundraising

2011-08-14 Thread Rob Weir
On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 11:26 AM, Simon Phipps wrote: > > On 14 Aug 2011, at 16:23, Rob Weir wrote: > >> On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 10:57 AM, Simon Phipps wrote: >>> On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 3:49 PM, Rob Weir wrote: >>> >>>> On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 10:

Re: [WWW] Web analytics

2011-08-14 Thread Rob Weir
On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 11:35 AM, Kay Schenk wrote: > > > On 08/13/2011 07:23 PM, Rob Weir wrote: >> >> On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 11:28 AM, Kay Schenk  wrote: >>> >>> >>> On 08/13/2011 05:55 AM, Rob Weir wrote: >>> <--snip--> >>&g

Re: [www] Ext / Temp repository stability ( was Extensions and templates site down )

2011-08-14 Thread Rob Weir
On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 12:15 PM, drew wrote: > On Sun, 2011-08-14 at 17:11 +0200, Eike Rathke wrote: >> Hi Rob, >> >> On Sunday, 2011-08-14 10:17:28 -0400, Rob Weir wrote: >> >> > IIRC, these extensions are 3rd party, under a variety of licenses, >> >

Re: [www] Ext / Temp repository stability ( was Extensions and templates site down )

2011-08-14 Thread Rob Weir
On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 1:06 PM, drew wrote: > [from out of left field] > Would members consider transferring ownership of the current repository > hosted on the OSUOSL server to a third party, perhaps created > specifically to take this over, and then working with them to create the > indirect re

Re: [www] Ext / Temp repository stability ( was Extensions and templates site down )

2011-08-14 Thread Rob Weir
On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 1:50 PM, Andy Brown wrote: > Rob Weir wrote: >> >> On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 1:06 PM, drew  wrote: >>> >>> [from out of left field] >>> Would members consider transferring ownership of the current repository >>> hosted on

Re: [www] Ext / Temp repository stability ( was Extensions and templates site down )

2011-08-14 Thread Rob Weir
On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 2:06 PM, drew wrote: > On Sun, 2011-08-14 at 13:37 -0400, Rob Weir wrote: >> On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 1:06 PM, drew wrote: >> > [from out of left field] >> > Would members consider transferring ownership of the current repository >> > ho

Re: [www] Ext / Temp repository stability ( was Extensions and templates site down )

2011-08-14 Thread Rob Weir
On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 2:09 PM, Andy Brown wrote: > Rob Weir wrote: >> >> On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 1:50 PM, Andy Brown >>  wrote: >>> >>> Rob Weir wrote: >>>> >>>> On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 1:06 PM, drew    wrote: >>>>

Re: [www] Ext / Temp repository stability ( was Extensions and templates site down )

2011-08-15 Thread Rob Weir
2011/8/15 Jürgen Schmidt : > On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 8:28 PM, Rob Weir wrote: > >> On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 2:06 PM, drew wrote: >> > On Sun, 2011-08-14 at 13:37 -0400, Rob Weir wrote: >> >> On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 1:06 PM, drew wrote: >> >> >

Re: [Issues] [DISCUSS] Can we track Issues Somehow? (was RE: Speaking of JIRA, Where's Ours?)

2011-08-15 Thread Rob Weir
activity also. > > When there is an Apache code base and a way to make similar contributions > here, I will do that here too.  I'm not waiting. > > -Original Message- > From: Rob Weir [mailto:apa...@robweir.com] > Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2011 06:03 > To: ooo-d

[Repo][Proposal] OOO340 SVN Dump file import

2011-08-15 Thread Rob Weir
We've been discussing for two months now how to get Hg over to SVN. There have been several suggestions for how the CWS's and complete revision history could be migrated over, but little progress has been made. Either the proposals didn't work, or no volunteers stepped forward to implement them.

Re: [Repo][Proposal] OOO340 SVN Dump file import

2011-08-15 Thread Rob Weir
On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 1:08 PM, Daniel Shahaf wrote: > On Mon, 15 Aug 2011 12:46 -0400, "Rob Weir" wrote: >> In each case, the error aborted the import which had to then be >> restarted from the top.  So it was a slow process, finding all of >> these problem f

Re: [Issues] [DISCUSS] Can we track Issues Somehow? (was RE: Speaking of JIRA, Where's Ours?)

2011-08-15 Thread Rob Weir
here: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Bugtracking+migration > On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 9:09 AM, Rob Weir wrote: >> On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 12:52 AM, Dennis E. Hamilton >> wrote: >>> My question is essentially whether there is a choice we could make for

Re: [Repo][Proposal] OOO340 SVN Dump file import

2011-08-15 Thread Rob Weir
On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 2:15 PM, Pedro F. Giffuni wrote: > > > --- On Mon, 8/15/11, Rob Weir wrote: > ... >> We've been discussing for two months >> now how to get Hg over to SVN. >> There have been several suggestions for how the CWS's and >> co

Re: [Issues] [DISCUSS] Can we track Issues Somehow? (was RE: Speaking of JIRA, Where's Ours?)

2011-08-15 Thread Rob Weir
pen source". -Rob >  - Dennis > > -Original Message- > From: Rob Weir [mailto:apa...@robweir.com] > Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 06:10 > To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org > Subject: Re: [Issues] [DISCUSS] Can we track Issues Somehow? (was RE: > Speaking of JIRA, W

Re: [Repo][Proposal] OOO340 SVN Dump file import

2011-08-15 Thread Rob Weir
On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 3:13 PM, Pedro F. Giffuni wrote: > Hi again; > > --- On Mon, 8/15/11, Rob Weir wrote: > >> >> The migration to Apache-Extras is the easy part, >> right?  It is just Hg to Hg. So we maintain the >> complete revision history that

Re: [Repo][Proposal] OOO340 SVN Dump file import

2011-08-16 Thread Rob Weir
On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 2:38 AM, Mathias Bauer wrote: > On 15.08.2011 23:48, Michael Stahl wrote: > >> On 15.08.2011 18:46, Rob Weir wrote: >>> We've been discussing for two months now how to get Hg over to SVN. >>> There have been several suggestions for how

Re: [Repo][Proposal] OOO340 SVN Dump file import

2011-08-16 Thread Rob Weir
On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 8:48 AM, Daniel Shahaf wrote: > Rob Weir wrote on Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 08:32:19 -0400: >> Is anyone planning on actually reviewing the dump file, e.g., loading >> it into a local repository, checking it out and looking at the >> resulting source tre

Re: [Repo][Proposal] OOO340 SVN Dump file import

2011-08-16 Thread Rob Weir
On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 9:06 AM, Rob Weir wrote: > On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 8:48 AM, Daniel Shahaf > wrote: >> Rob Weir wrote on Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 08:32:19 -0400: >>> Is anyone planning on actually reviewing the dump file, e.g., loading >>> it into a local r

Re: [Repo][Proposal] OOO340 SVN Dump file import

2011-08-16 Thread Rob Weir
On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 10:02 AM, Ingrid von der Mehden wrote: > Am 15.08.2011 18:46, schrieb Rob Weir: > [...] >> >> ooo/trunk/core --- all the OOO340 stuff >> ooo/trunk/l10n -- all the language stuff >> > > Actually I would suggest to name the directory

Re: [Repo][Proposal] OOO340 SVN Dump file import

2011-08-16 Thread Rob Weir
On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 8:59 AM, Mathias Bauer wrote: > On 16.08.2011 14:32, Rob Weir wrote: > >> I've uploaded the dump file.  There are no abstract, non-specific >> risks there.  There may be errors.  But those would be the kind of >> errors that could be describe

Re: [Repo][Proposal] OOO340 SVN Dump file import

2011-08-16 Thread Rob Weir
On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 12:27 PM, Pedro Giffuni wrote: > On Tue, 16 Aug 2011 18:44:30 +0300, Daniel Shahaf > wrote: > ... >>> >>> Perhaps I am missing something, but couldn't you just go ahead >>> and commit it directly in the server? >> >> No, the two copies Rob mentioned are the dump and the re

Re: [Repo][Proposal] OOO340 SVN Dump file import

2011-08-16 Thread Rob Weir
On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 12:45 PM, Ingrid von der Mehden wrote: > Am 16.08.2011 16:21, schrieb Rob Weir: >> >> On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 10:02 AM, Ingrid von der Mehden >>  wrote: >>> >>> Am 15.08.2011 18:46, schrieb Rob Weir: >>> [...] >>&g

Re: [Repo][Proposal] OOO340 SVN Dump file import

2011-08-16 Thread Rob Weir
On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 1:29 PM, Ingrid von der Mehden wrote: > Am 16.08.2011 19:04, schrieb Rob Weir: >> >> On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 12:45 PM, Ingrid von der Mehden >>  wrote: >>> >>> Am 16.08.2011 16:21, schrieb Rob Weir: >>>> >>&

Re: [Repo][Proposal] OOO340 SVN Dump file import

2011-08-16 Thread Rob Weir
By request I've created a new SVN dump file, this time from Linux. As before, I brought down the OOO340 trunk and the language repositories: hg clone http://hg.services.openoffice.org/OOO340 hg clone http://hg.services.openoffice.org/master_l10n/OOO340/ I then moved these into a common directory

Re: [www] Any Drupal guru's lurking? ( was : Ext / Temp repository stability ( was Extensions and templates site down ))

2011-08-16 Thread Rob Weir
rote: >> > >> On Aug 14, 2011, at 11:06 AM, drew wrote: >> > >> >> > >>> On Sun, 2011-08-14 at 13:37 -0400, Rob Weir wrote: >> > >>>> On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 1:06 PM, drew wrote: >> > > >> > > >> >

Re: [www] Any Drupal guru's lurking? ( was : Ext / Temp repository stability ( was Extensions and templates site down ))

2011-08-16 Thread Rob Weir
On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 3:17 PM, Dave Fisher wrote: > > On Aug 16, 2011, at 11:45 AM, Rob Weir wrote: > >> On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 1:58 PM, drew wrote: >>> On Sun, 2011-08-14 at 14:49 -0400, drew wrote: >>>> On Sun, 2011-08-14 at 11:42 -0700, Dave Fisher wrote

Re: [www] Any Drupal guru's lurking? ( was : Ext / Temp repository stability ( was Extensions and templates site down ))

2011-08-16 Thread Rob Weir
ve qualities. Do you know anything about the http modules registry, e.g., where the code is? That might be something we could use to jump-start an extensions registry. It has the basics. > > > >> >>From: Rob Weir >>To: ooo-dev@incubator

Re: [www] Any Drupal guru's lurking? ( was : Ext / Temp repository stability ( was Extensions and templates site down ))

2011-08-16 Thread Rob Weir
On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 4:14 PM, drew wrote: > On Tue, 2011-08-16 at 16:02 -0400, Rob Weir wrote: >> On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 3:43 PM, Joe Schaefer wrote: >> > It just needs to be cleared by legal/board. >> > While hosting non-OSS plugins is probably out, >> &g

Re: [www] Any Drupal guru's lurking? ( was : Ext / Temp repository stability ( was Extensions and templates site down ))

2011-08-16 Thread Rob Weir
On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 8:26 PM, drew wrote: > On Tue, 2011-08-16 at 16:36 -0400, Rob Weir wrote: >> On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 4:14 PM, drew wrote: >> > On Tue, 2011-08-16 at 16:02 -0400, Rob Weir wrote: >> >> On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 3:43 PM, Joe Schaefer >> &

Re: openoffice.org domains transferred to ASF

2011-08-17 Thread Rob Weir
On Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 2:55 PM, Shane Curcuru wrote: > Dear PPMC: please note that a few days ago Oracle and the ASF signed the > legal agreement to transfer ownership of a variety of ooo related domain > names to the ASF.  Yay! > > Along with the other great work on moving content, you need to w

Re: [Repo][Proposal] OOO340 SVN Dump file import

2011-08-17 Thread Rob Weir
On Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 5:15 PM, Michael Stahl wrote: > On 16.08.2011 20:41, Rob Weir wrote: >> >> During local svn import I received several error messages like this: >> >> "svn: Inconsistent line ending style" >> >> The following files gave thi

Re: [Repo][Proposal] OOO340 SVN Dump file import

2011-08-18 Thread Rob Weir
On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 10:22 AM, Daniel Shahaf wrote: > Stephan Bergmann wrote on Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 15:46:33 +0200: >> On Aug 16, 2011, at 8:41 PM, Rob Weir wrote: >> > By request I've created a new SVN dump file, this time from Linux. >> >> I would make the

Re: [Repo][Proposal] OOO340 SVN Dump file import

2011-08-18 Thread Rob Weir
On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 11:49 AM, Daniel Shahaf wrote: > Rob Weir wrote on Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 11:17:45 -0400: >> On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 10:22 AM, Daniel Shahaf >> wrote: >> > Stephan Bergmann wrote on Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 15:46:33 +0200: >> >> On Aug

How does BizDev fit in at Apache?

2011-08-18 Thread Rob Weir
I'm thinking of things like this, a directory of consultants providing services to OpenOffice: http://bizdev.openoffice.org/consultants.html Obviously, this is a very important part of the ecosystem. But I'm not sure how much we can mix commerce and non-profit together. How do other projects ha

Re: How does BizDev fit in at Apache?

2011-08-18 Thread Rob Weir
rojects > and make an assessment, but obviously others may have differing opinions. > >> >> A 30 second look at the consultants.html page shows that it looks pretty >> good, and I bet we can definitely continue pages like that in the future. >> >> - Shane >

[From d...@openoffice.org] Parallel functions in OpenOffice spreadsheet

2011-08-19 Thread Rob Weir
Forwarding a recent question sent to d...@openoffice.org that was not responded to. Let's take this as an opportunity to grow the community. I'm cc'ing the original poster. -Rob --- From: dennis To: d...@openoffice.org Subject: [dev] Parallel fun

[Forwarded from d...@openoffice.org] wanna start coding

2011-08-19 Thread Rob Weir
Forwarding this question from d...@openoffice.org. Can someone point Aidan (cc'ed) in the right direction? -Rob From: Aidan Fitzpatrick To: d...@openoffice.org Subject: [dev] wanna start coding Date: Wed, 1

[Forwarded from d...@openoffice.org] Contribute to the project

2011-08-19 Thread Rob Weir
Unanswered question forwarded from d...@openoffice.org, cc'ing original poster. -Rob - From: "giorgio.belvedere" To: Subject: [dev] Contribute to the project Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2011 11:34:16 +0200 Good morning, my name is Giorgi

[Discussion] d...@openoffice.org

2011-08-19 Thread Rob Weir
As my preceding forwards indicate, we're getting some interesting posts to d...@openoffice.org, including offers of help, but they are not getting adequate responses. We're missing opportunities here to grow the project. Is there anything we can do to improve this? 1) Continue as now, and I'll f

Re: [From d...@openoffice.org] Parallel functions in OpenOffice spreadsheet

2011-08-19 Thread Rob Weir
> --- >    From: dennis >    To: d...@openoffice.org >    Subject: [dev] Parallel functions in OpenOffice spreadsheet >    Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2011 21:23:42 +0300 > > Hello, > My name is Dennis Groisman and I am a student at Ben Gurion University > in Be'er Sheva,

Re: [Discussion] d...@openoffice.org

2011-08-19 Thread Rob Weir
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 9:12 AM, Marcus (OOo) wrote: > Am 08/19/2011 02:48 PM, schrieb Rob Weir: >> >> As my preceding forwards indicate, we're getting some interesting >> posts to d...@openoffice.org, including offers of help, but they are >> not getting ad

Re: [Discussion] d...@openoffice.org

2011-08-19 Thread Rob Weir
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 12:50 PM, Marcus (OOo) wrote: > Am 08/19/2011 06:34 PM, schrieb Rob Weir: >> So why wouldn't we want to shut down that list? > > Why are you asking when you want to do it anyway? ;-) > Clearly I have my own opinion on this. But I'd li

Re: Managing mailing lists (spams issues on fr mailing list)

2011-08-19 Thread Rob Weir
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 1:39 PM, eric b wrote: > Hello, > > When sending a mail on the french mailing lists, we receive in return lot os > spams.  One of them is : service-clie...@sc.sfr.fr, but I know there are > other. > Is it a fair assumption to think that the Apache lists are filtered using

Re: [Discussion] d...@openoffice.org

2011-08-19 Thread Rob Weir
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 2:22 PM, Mathias Bauer wrote: > On 19.08.2011 20:13, Donald Whytock wrote: > >> Sorry, thought someone said there was spam on dev@ooo?  So subscribing >> this list to that will bring spam here? > > No, the spam usually just floods the inbox of the moderators. I rarely > see

OpenOffice.org Improvement Program, Apache Migration and Privacy Policy

2011-08-20 Thread Rob Weir
Existing OpenOffice.org prompts user after install on whether they wish to participate in the "OpenOffice.org Improvement Program". The dialog says, "If you are willing to participate, we will collect anonymous statistics about how you use OpenOffice.org. This data is used to identify usage patt

[Forwarded from d...@openoffice.org]: [dev] Please accept my volunteering

2011-08-20 Thread Rob Weir
Hi -- We're in the process of migrating the OpenOffice.org project over to Apache.  So right now we're doing a lot of tasks related to migrating the issue tracker, the source code repository, mailing lists, etc. More information on the project here: http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/ And

Re: [email] RE: [Discuss] ASF hosted openoffice.org email service [Was: Re: [Discussion] d...@openoffice.org]

2011-08-20 Thread Rob Weir
On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 3:47 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: > I'm concerned that we are still conflating two different problems. > >  1. One has to do with n...@openoffice.org where this is a personal > forwarding set up for some user (or entity) and it forwards to another e-mail > address.  If t

Re: [email] RE: [Discuss] ASF hosted openoffice.org email service [Was: Re: [Discussion] d...@openoffice.org]

2011-08-21 Thread Rob Weir
On Sun, Aug 21, 2011 at 5:21 AM, Terry Ellison wrote: > On 20/08/11 21:00, Rob Weir wrote: >> >> On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 3:47 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton >>> >>>  1. One has to do with n...@openoffice.org where this is a personal >>> forwarding set up fo

Re: [email] RE: [Discuss] ASF hosted openoffice.org email service [Was: Re: [Discussion] d...@openoffice.org]

2011-08-21 Thread Rob Weir
On Sun, Aug 21, 2011 at 11:25 AM, Terry Ellison wrote: > On 21/08/11 15:18, Rob Weir wrote: >> >> On Sun, Aug 21, 2011 at 5:21 AM, Terry Ellison wrote: >>> >>> On 20/08/11 21:00, Rob Weir wrote: >>>> >>>> On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 3:47 PM

[Repo][Proposal]After the code is checked in to SVN

2011-08-21 Thread Rob Weir
Soon, I hope, the OOo code will be checked into SVN. After that happens I think we need to coordinate on the next steps. I know that several of us have code they'd like to check-in, CWS's to integrate, LGPL code to remove, etc. But let's stage this work carefully, so we minimize problems. Could

Re: [email] RE: [Discuss] ASF hosted openoffice.org email service [Was: Re: [Discussion] d...@openoffice.org]

2011-08-21 Thread Rob Weir
On Sun, Aug 21, 2011 at 12:31 PM, Terry Ellison wrote: > >>> >>> Your svn and Apache (server) response just emphasises our disconnect. >>>  OOo >>> is aimed at normal mortals who don't even know what a command prompt is. >>>  Could you imagine you grandfather, mother or young child wanting to use

Re: @openoffice.org

2011-08-21 Thread Rob Weir
On Sun, Aug 21, 2011 at 1:32 PM, Andy Brown wrote: > Watching the discussions here I have a question. > > How hard would it be to find out which forwarding addresses are in active > use, last six months, last year? > You could find out which ones are used *in the project* by go through all OOo an

End-User versus Developer Software

2011-08-21 Thread Rob Weir
Moving to its own thread. On Sun, Aug 21, 2011 at 1:09 PM, RGB ES wrote: > > Hello to all, > I'm monitoring the list since a while but never wrote before so > please, forgive me for entering the discussion on this conflictive > point ;) (1) Thanks for joining the discussion. > I certainly do no

Re: End-User versus Developer Software

2011-08-21 Thread Rob Weir
On Sun, Aug 21, 2011 at 2:53 PM, Manfred A. Reiter wrote: > 2011/8/21 Rob Weir : >> Moving to its own thread. >> >> On Sun, Aug 21, 2011 at 1:09 PM, RGB ES wrote: >>> > > [...] > >> There are language-specific lists for other Apache projects.  We can

Re: [www] Website must display disclaimer text

2011-08-21 Thread Rob Weir
On Sun, Aug 21, 2011 at 3:33 PM, Dave Fisher wrote: > Just committed a website update and was about to stage. > > Does this need to be on our footer or on a separate page linked to from the > footer? > Looking at some other podling websites, the pattern appears to be to add it at the bottom of t

Re: @openoffice.org

2011-08-22 Thread Rob Weir
On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 1:00 PM, Mathias Bauer wrote: > On 21.08.2011 19:32, Andy Brown wrote: > >> Watching the discussions here I have a question. >> >> How hard would it be to find out which forwarding addresses are in >> active use, last six months, last year? >> >> Seems to me if an address i

Re: @openoffice.org

2011-08-22 Thread Rob Weir
On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 3:36 PM, TJ Frazier wrote: > On 8/22/2011 15:31, Andy Brown wrote: >> >> TJ Frazier wrote: >>> >>> +1 >>> I volunteer to help with the long-range problems (karma and fu assumed). >>> --/tj/ >> >> I am willing to help as well. The only question is how do we get access >> to

Re: us...@openoffice.org [Was: Re: [Discussion] d...@openoffice.org]

2011-08-22 Thread Rob Weir
On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 7:46 PM, Dave Fisher wrote: > The changes are good at showing where we are as developers. > > The unfortunate point is that us...@openoffice.org is still a functional list > with several posts in a day and the change is hiding that list. > > Until there is ooo-users@i.a.o

Re: us...@openoffice.org [Was: Re: [Discussion] d...@openoffice.org]

2011-08-23 Thread Rob Weir
On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 5:32 AM, Jean Weber wrote: > When users see what looks like an email address in the context of "support", > they typically think it is a help desk, not a mailing list (and they may not > even know what a mailing list is). A forum is not going to be mistaken for a > "help

Re: us...@openoffice.org [Was: Re: [Discussion] d...@openoffice.org]

2011-08-23 Thread Rob Weir
On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 9:29 AM, Eike Rathke wrote: > Hi Marcus, > > On Tuesday, 2011-08-23 11:11:35 +0200, Marcus (OOo) wrote: > >> And very often they write to the list but aren't subscribed. So they >> don't get the answer unless someone is CC'ing them. > > That actually is a failure of how the

Re: Bugzilla vs JIRA (was: @openoffice.org)

2011-08-23 Thread Rob Weir
On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 10:22 AM, Eike Rathke wrote: > Hi Rob, > > On Monday, 2011-08-22 19:07:07 -0400, Rob Weir wrote: > >> Dumb question, but does anyone really like Bugzilla? > > It's alright, it does the job, it could be better. > >> Do users think >

Re: us...@openoffice.org [Was: Re: [Discussion] d...@openoffice.org]

2011-08-23 Thread Rob Weir
On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 10:05 AM, Marcus (OOo) wrote: > At the end it seems the best solution is still to go 2 ways: ML and forum. > Best in what way? If half of us want pizza for dinner, and the other half want sushi, is the best solution to have sushi pizza? I think doing support via two v

Re: us...@openoffice.org [Was: Re: [Discussion] d...@openoffice.org]

2011-08-23 Thread Rob Weir
On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 4:04 PM, Marcus (OOo) wrote: > I can understand Rob's arguement that we have to split ourself to give > support for mailing list(s) and forum in parallel. However, I believe that > it would be an advantage when the normal, average user has a choice where to > go to get an a

Re: us...@openoffice.org [Was: Re: [Discussion] d...@openoffice.org]

2011-08-23 Thread Rob Weir
On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 5:09 PM, Dave Fisher wrote: > > On Aug 23, 2011, at 1:49 PM, Rob Weir wrote: > >> On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 4:04 PM, Marcus (OOo) wrote: >>> I can understand Rob's arguement that we have to split ourself to give >>> support for mailing

Re: us...@openoffice.org [Was: Re: [Discussion] d...@openoffice.org]

2011-08-23 Thread Rob Weir
. Otherwise, if you are busy, or traveling or on vacation, messages and other moderator requests get backed up. So ideally we want three moderators per list, in different time zones if possible. > Marcus > > > > Am 08/23/2011 10:49 PM, schrieb Rob Weir: >> >> On Tue, Au

Re: us...@openoffice.org [Was: Re: [Discussion] d...@openoffice.org]

2011-08-23 Thread Rob Weir
On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 5:40 PM, Jean Weber wrote: > Idle curiosity: I wonder how many people who offer support do it in both > places: mailing list and forum, or more or exclusively in one or the other. > > Personal observation (not intended as a generalization): my preferences vary > with whet

Re: users-jnqqrfibojom4zkihc2...@public.gmane.org [Was: Re: [Discussion] dev-jnqqrfibojom4zkihc2...@public.gmane.org]

2011-08-23 Thread Rob Weir
On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 6:09 PM, Larry Gusaas wrote: > On 2011-08-23 3:37 PM  Rob Weir wrote: >> >> Does it matter?  The English list is getting very little traffic. > > There were 56 posts to us...@openoffice.org in the last week. Traffic is > highest after a new release.

Re: users-jnqqrfibojom4zkihc2jig-xmd5yjdbdmrexy1tmh2...@public.gmane.org [Was: Re: [Discussion] dev-jnqqrfibojom4zkihc2jig-xmd5yjdbdmrexy1tmh2...@public.gmane.org]

2011-08-23 Thread Rob Weir
On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 6:49 PM, Larry Gusaas wrote: > > On 2011-08-23 4:21 PM  Rob Weir wrote: >> >> So the English support forum has 613 *active threads* for August >> alone.  In many cases that multiplies out to multiple posts per >> thread.  So the forum t

Re: User support: beyond forums or lists

2011-08-23 Thread Rob Weir
On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 7:05 PM, Jean Weber wrote: > I've started a new thread, because I think Rob Weir's very important point > has got lost in the discussions about forums and lists. Rob wrote: > >> Support is important. The question is >> how best to do it.  If all we're doing is considering

Re: User support: beyond forums or lists

2011-08-23 Thread Rob Weir
On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 7:18 PM, Dave Fisher wrote: > It can be hard to find the Tuna with all the Herrings tossed around :-D > Hey, even a broken clock is right twice a day. I was overdue ;-) -Rob > On Aug 23, 2011, at 4:05 PM, Jean Weber wrote: > >> I've started a new thread, because I think

Re: users-jnqqrfibojom4zkihc2...@public.gmane.org [Was: Re: [Discussion] dev-jnqqrfibojom4zkihc2...@public.gmane.org]

2011-08-23 Thread Rob Weir
On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 7:25 PM, drew wrote: > On Tue, 2011-08-23 at 18:21 -0400, Rob Weir wrote: >> On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 6:09 PM, Larry Gusaas wrote: >> > On 2011-08-23 3:37 PM  Rob Weir wrote: >> >> >> >> Does it matter?  The English list is getting

Re: User support: beyond forums or lists

2011-08-23 Thread Rob Weir
On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 7:34 PM, Simon Phipps wrote: > > On 24 Aug 2011, at 00:20, Rob Weir wrote: > >> On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 7:05 PM, Jean Weber wrote: >> >>> It's clear to me that we need to do better than we have in the user support >>> area,

Re: User support: beyond forums or lists

2011-08-23 Thread Rob Weir
On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 8:58 PM, Simon Phipps wrote: > On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 1:44 AM, drew wrote: > >> On Wed, 2011-08-24 at 01:36 +0100, Simon Phipps wrote: >> >> > Apologies if this ought to be clear to me, but are you proposing: >> >> No apologies needed - I'm touchy on the subject...so just

Re: us...@openoffice.org [Was: Re: [Discussion] d...@openoffice.org]

2011-08-23 Thread Rob Weir
On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 9:47 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: > It's an odd situation.  In many ways an us...@openoffice.org list would > appear to remain useful but I think it creates a decision crisis for users to > have too many of these. > > What I notice about [libreoffice-users] and also [lib

Scope/Mission of AOOo

2011-08-24 Thread Rob Weir
Simon stuck this in the next gen support technology thread, but I think this deserves its own top level thread. He declined to move it into its own thread, but I will. If I understand Simon's recurring proposal correctly, he would like us to: 1) Not produce any AOOo binaries for end user use, es

Re: User support: beyond forums or lists

2011-08-24 Thread Rob Weir
On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 8:39 AM, Ian Lynch wrote: > On 24 August 2011 02:30, drew wrote: > >> On Wed, 2011-08-24 at 09:05 +1000, Jean Weber wrote: >> > I've started a new thread, because I think Rob Weir's very important >> point has got lost in the discussions about forums and lists. Rob wrote:

Re: Scope/Mission of AOOo

2011-08-24 Thread Rob Weir
On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 8:43 AM, Simon Phipps wrote: > On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 1:23 PM, Rob Weir wrote: > >> Simon stuck this in the next gen support technology thread, but I >> think this deserves its own top level thread.  He declined to move it >> into it

Re: Scope/Mission of AOOo

2011-08-24 Thread Rob Weir
On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 9:04 AM, Simon Phipps wrote: > On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 2:00 PM, Rob Weir wrote: > >> >> If you have withdrawn that proposal, then please state so and share >> with us with your new proposal.  I'd love to hear it. >> > > > I

Re: Scope/Mission of AOOo

2011-08-24 Thread Rob Weir
On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 9:14 AM, Rob Weir wrote: > On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 9:04 AM, Simon Phipps wrote: >> On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 2:00 PM, Rob Weir wrote: >> >>> >>> If you have withdrawn that proposal, then please state so and share >>> with us wi

Re: Scope/Mission of AOOo

2011-08-24 Thread Rob Weir
On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 9:30 AM, Simon Phipps wrote: > On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 2:14 PM, Rob Weir wrote: > >> >> Could you point us to your proposal?  Or should we still be looking at >> your earlier proposal, the one I linked to?  When you have a new >> pro

Re: Scope/Mission of AOOo

2011-08-24 Thread Rob Weir
On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 10:03 AM, Simon Phipps wrote: > On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 2:53 PM, Rob Weir wrote: > >> On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 9:30 AM, Simon Phipps wrote: >> >> > So: >> > >> > * I  suggest we review realistically what binaries (platforms and

Re: User support: beyond forums or lists

2011-08-24 Thread Rob Weir
On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 9:30 PM, drew wrote: > On Wed, 2011-08-24 at 09:05 +1000, Jean Weber wrote: >> I've started a new thread, because I think Rob Weir's very important point >> has got lost in the discussions about forums and lists. Rob wrote: >> >> > Support is important. The question is >>

Re: User support: beyond forums or lists

2011-08-24 Thread Rob Weir
On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 11:01 AM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: > It looks to me as if we need to be following the openoffice.org tag on > StackOverflow.  They have over 1200 items, and there is an openoffice.org > tag/category although it is not always used. > > Of course, if for some reason we car

Re: User support - what do others do

2011-08-24 Thread Rob Weir
On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 4:24 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: > Simon, > > There is no doubt violent agreement about forums. > > I still would prefer to have some list *also* (after all, odf-user@a.i.o is > apparently there already) but I can always satisfy my personal workflow > preferences and fi

Update on SVN dump load

2011-08-24 Thread Rob Weir
Our JIRA issue has been updated: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-3862 Joe has done a test load onto: https://svn-master.apache.org/repos/test/joes/ooo No commits to it, please, but yell out if you see anything wrong. It looks good so far. -Rob

[migration] Decision making

2011-08-25 Thread Rob Weir
On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 11:58 AM, Terry Ellison wrote: > We seem to have a Catch-22 here, and this email is about how we break this > and move these aspects of the project forward. My interpretation of this > Catch-22 is that whilst our current interactions on the DL are a good basis > for ind

Re: us...@openoffice.org [Was: Re: [Discussion] d...@openoffice.org]

2011-08-25 Thread Rob Weir
On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 2:19 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: > This should be at the "User support: beyond forums or lists" thread but I > hesitate to confuse other ways of reading this list that don't like title > changes (and I am using reply to have previous material attached - I might > try f

Re: [migration] Decision making

2011-08-25 Thread Rob Weir
On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 2:49 PM, Donald Whytock wrote: > On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 12:46 PM, Rob Weir wrote: >> But again, objections must be from committers, backed with >> technical arguments and the willingness to implement alternatives. > > The Apache voting policy page y

Re: svn commit: r1162287 - in /incubator/ooo: trunk-orig/ trunk/

2011-08-28 Thread Rob Weir
I would do it, but I have no electricity due to the hurricane, so if someone else wants to check them in it would be greatly appreciated. -Rob (56% battery on iPhone) On Aug 27, 2011, at 6:16 PM, "Pedro F. Giffuni" wrote: > FWIW, the code is there since yesterday :) ... Anyone wants the honor o

Re: [Repo][Proposal]After the code is checked in to SVN

2011-08-29 Thread Rob Weir
;s let get on the same page. -Rob On Sun, Aug 21, 2011 at 12:48 PM, Rob Weir wrote: > Soon, I hope, the OOo code will be checked into SVN.  After that > happens I think we need to coordinate on the next steps.  I know that > several of us have code they'd like to check-in, CWS

Re: SVN clients: svn, git-svn

2011-08-29 Thread Rob Weir
On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 7:10 AM, Gavin McDonald wrote: > Great info Michael, someone should make a wiki page of that. > Yes, great information. It would be good on either on the Dev FAQ's: http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/developer-faqs.html Or on the wiki with a link from the Dev FAQ

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