Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Sun to make Solaris more Linux like

2007-05-15 Thread Manish Chakravarty
How does switching to Linux help here? - Does any of the Linux installations come with a pre-installed 3D accelerated graphics? Sabayon Linux. It's gentoo based, stable enough. Has preinstalled ATI/Nvidia and Intel drivers. - What happened again if you installed such a driver and tried

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: About Project Indiana

2007-05-15 Thread David Lloyd
Ooo,,, the installer has ZFS boot/root support, etc. Huzzah! Now, I wonder if a Solaris built on built on Sun Studio (such as SXCE) would live nicely in a distro built on GCC... *That* would be interesting. DSL ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: About Project Indiana

2007-05-15 Thread Chung Hang Christopher Chan
the installer has ZFS boot/root support, etc. Huzzah! Now, I wonder if a Solaris built on built on Sun Studio (such as SXCE) would live nicely in a distro built on GCC... *That* would be interesting. ROTFL. Well running Sun Studio did not seem to be a problem (except for missing sun

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Sun to make Solaris more Linux like

2007-05-15 Thread Moinak Ghosh
Manish Chakravarty wrote: How does switching to Linux help here? - Does any of the Linux installations come with a pre-installed 3D accelerated graphics? Sabayon Linux. It's gentoo based, stable enough. Has preinstalled ATI/Nvidia and Intel drivers. How can they include

[osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Which reason will cause thi error?

2007-05-15 Thread snow
Thanks a lot!I gave modload the absolute path to the module like 'modload /gdx/gdx/test',but I got nothing more than the error.By the way,I am a newer. This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list

[osol-discuss] Re: Re: About Project Indiana

2007-05-15 Thread Richard L. Hamilton
Actually there is a hell of a difference. My desktop is in the global zone. I would hate to see it stuck in the last century. Last century? How much difference would there be for a GUI desktop? And why use provocative phrases like last century to describe a difference that not everyone

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Sun to make Solaris more Linux like

2007-05-15 Thread Chung Hang Christopher Chan
How can they include closed-source ATI/Nvidia drivers in a GNU/Linux LiveDVD without violating the GPL ? Heh. Who is going to sue? Linus? Who will he sue? Linus put a stop to those zealots who wanted to make sure you would not be able to use a binary driver...I don't see him going after

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Sun to make Solaris more Linux like

2007-05-15 Thread Moinak Ghosh
Chung Hang Christopher Chan wrote: How can they include closed-source ATI/Nvidia drivers in a GNU/Linux LiveDVD without violating the GPL ? Heh. Who is going to sue? Linus? Who will he sue? Linus put a stop to those zealots who wanted to make sure you would not be able to use a

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Sun to make Solaris more Linux like

2007-05-15 Thread Chung Hang Christopher Chan
FSF or maybe http://www.gpl-violations.org/. Just as the Kororaa LiveCD was forced to stop distributing the Nvidia/ATI drivers. It was one of the first GNU/Linux LiveCDs to bundle Compiz. It is redistribution in installed form along with a GPL kernel. Ah well. The solution?

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Sun to make Solaris more Linux like

2007-05-15 Thread Alan DuBoff
On Tue, 15 May 2007, Moinak Ghosh wrote: Um the drm kernel components of the Intel drivers may or may not recompile. For eg. was I using Cisco VPN Client on kernel 2.6.9 and the kernel module gave a compile error after I upgraded to 2.6.11 because of a kernel variable name change.

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Sun to make Solaris more Linux like

2007-05-15 Thread Manish Chakravarty
How can they include closed-source ATI/Nvidia drivers in a GNU/Linux LiveDVD without violating the GPL ? The NVIDIA/ATI drivers work off-the-DVD even when used as a live DVD/ You can play a quake-clone 3D fps shooter, right off the DVD. Infact the DVD offers a Play Game option right in the

Re: [osol-discuss] BeleniX meets Indiana (Was: About Project Indiana)

2007-05-15 Thread Joerg Schilling
Eric Boutilier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 14 May 2007, Joerg Schilling wrote: Eric Boutilier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I realize the Indiana Project is in the early requirements stage, nevertheless I think it would be _very_ useful to note the alignment between where the Indiana

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: About Project Indiana

2007-05-15 Thread Doug Scott
Richard L. Hamilton wrote: Actually there is a hell of a difference. My desktop is in the global zone. I would hate to see it stuck in the last century. Last century? How much difference would there be for a GUI desktop? And why use provocative phrases like last century to describe a

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: About Project Indiana

2007-05-15 Thread Ian Collins
Doug Scott wrote: Richard L. Hamilton wrote: Actually there is a hell of a difference. My desktop is in the global zone. I would hate to see it stuck in the last century. Last century? How much difference would there be for a GUI desktop? And why use provocative phrases like last

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: About Project Indiana

2007-05-15 Thread Doug Scott
Ian Collins wrote: This comment comes from that I have just looked at building Xfce 4.4.1 for the latest Solaris 10. The libraries for Gnome are that old that to build Xfce you need to remove Gnome completely and start from scratch. It is obvious that the Solaris version update time is a little

Re: [osol-discuss] BeleniX meets Indiana (Was: About Project Indiana)

2007-05-15 Thread Brian Gupta
Well, Belenix is a project run by a Sun employee. Do you believe it is not a Sun project? Well, the homepage is hosted by Blastwave: http://www.genunix.org/distributions/belenix_site/?q=about No mention of Sun in the about page. Personally I didn't think it was a Sun project, just as my

Re: [osol-discuss] BeleniX meets Indiana (Was: About Project Indiana)

2007-05-15 Thread Al Hopper
On Tue, 15 May 2007, Brian Gupta wrote: Well, Belenix is a project run by a Sun employee. Do you believe it is not a Sun project? Well, the homepage is hosted by Blastwave: ^^^ No its not. See: http://sol10frominnerspace.blogspot.com/ You might

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Sun to make Solaris more Linux like

2007-05-15 Thread ken mays
I saw a posting on Belenix 0.6.x DVD development and would just like to add: 1. Nevada b65+ recommended 2. JDS Vermillion 65+ (stable, GNOME 2.18.1) recommended 3. KDE 3.5.6 + Koffice 1.6.2 4. Xorg 7.2 (full port) 5. Compiz 0.5 + Nvidia drivers 6. Better GUI for network and printing

Re: [osol-discuss] BeleniX meets Indiana (Was: About Project Indiana)

2007-05-15 Thread Venky
I realize the Indiana Project is in the early requirements stage, nevertheless I think it would be _very_ useful to note the alignment between where the Indiana project appears to be headed and the design goals of the BeleniX OpenSolaris developer community. Why should a

Re: [osol-discuss] BeleniX meets Indiana (Was: About Project Indiana)

2007-05-15 Thread Ananth Shrinivas
Joerg Schilling wrote: Eric Boutilier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 14 May 2007, Joerg Schilling wrote: Eric Boutilier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I realize the Indiana Project is in the early requirements stage, nevertheless I think it would be _very_ useful to note the alignment between

[osol-discuss] Re: [discuss] BeleniX meets Indiana (Was: About Project Indiana)

2007-05-15 Thread Eric Boutilier
On Tue, 15 May 2007, Joerg Schilling wrote: Eric Boutilier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 14 May 2007, Joerg Schilling wrote: Eric Boutilier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I realize the Indiana Project is in the early requirements stage, nevertheless I think it would be _very_ useful to note

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Sun to make Solaris more Linux like

2007-05-15 Thread Joerg Schilling
Moinak Ghosh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How can they include closed-source ATI/Nvidia drivers in a GNU/Linux LiveDVD without violating the GPL ? Where do you believe that there is a GPL violatioon? Jörg -- EMail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (home) Jörg Schilling D-13353 Berlin [EMAIL

Re: [osol-discuss] BeleniX meets Indiana (Was: About Project Indiana)

2007-05-15 Thread Moinak Ghosh
Ananth Shrinivas wrote: Joerg Schilling wrote: Eric Boutilier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 14 May 2007, Joerg Schilling wrote: Eric Boutilier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I realize the Indiana Project is in the early requirements stage, nevertheless I think it would be _very_ useful to

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Sun to make Solaris more Linux like

2007-05-15 Thread Joerg Schilling
Moinak Ghosh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chung Hang Christopher Chan wrote: Heh. Who is going to sue? Linus? Who will he sue? ... FSF or maybe http://www.gpl-violations.org/. Just as the Kororaa The FSF is not able to do this. Jörg -- EMail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (home) Jörg Schilling D-13353

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Sun to make Solaris more Linux like

2007-05-15 Thread Moinak Ghosh
Manish Chakravarty wrote: How can they include closed-source ATI/Nvidia drivers in a GNU/Linux LiveDVD without violating the GPL ? The NVIDIA/ATI drivers work off-the-DVD even when used as a live DVD/ You can play a quake-clone 3D fps shooter, right off the DVD. Infact the DVD offers a

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Sun to make Solaris more Linux like

2007-05-15 Thread Brian Gupta
How can they include closed-source ATI/Nvidia drivers in a GNU/Linux LiveDVD without violating the GPL ? Heh. Who is going to sue? Linus? Who will he sue? If it were a GPL violation, FSF lawyers would be in touch with the infringing party.

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Sun to make Solaris more Linux like

2007-05-15 Thread Shawn Walker
On 15/05/07, Brian Gupta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How can they include closed-source ATI/Nvidia drivers in a GNU/Linux LiveDVD without violating the GPL ? Heh. Who is going to sue? Linus? Who will he sue? If it were a GPL violation, FSF lawyers would be in touch with the

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Sun to make Solaris more Linux like

2007-05-15 Thread Moinak Ghosh
Joerg Schilling wrote: Moinak Ghosh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How can they include closed-source ATI/Nvidia drivers in a GNU/Linux LiveDVD without violating the GPL ? Where do you believe that there is a GPL violatioon? This is admittedly a grey area there is a good

Re: [osol-discuss] BeleniX meets Indiana (Was: About Project Indiana)

2007-05-15 Thread Joerg Schilling
Brian Gupta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, Belenix is a project run by a Sun employee. Do you believe it is not a Sun project? ... Does it really matter. It is one of two distros that meet the needs of a community distro. Nexenta being the other. Fully OpenSource, and very feature rich.

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Sun to make Solaris more Linux like

2007-05-15 Thread Joerg Schilling
Brian Gupta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How can they include closed-source ATI/Nvidia drivers in a GNU/Linux LiveDVD without violating the GPL ? Heh. Who is going to sue? Linus? Who will he sue? If it were a GPL violation, FSF lawyers would be in touch with the infringing

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Sun to make Solaris more Linux like

2007-05-15 Thread Joerg Schilling
Moinak Ghosh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Joerg Schilling wrote: Moinak Ghosh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How can they include closed-source ATI/Nvidia drivers in a GNU/Linux LiveDVD without violating the GPL ? Where do you believe that there is a GPL violatioon?

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Sun to make Solaris more Linux like

2007-05-15 Thread James Carlson
Moinak Ghosh writes: This is admittedly a grey area there is a good writeup on this topic at the Kororaa website after one Linux kernel developer accused them of violating GPL: http://kororaa.org/static.php?page=gpl In any case Nvidia itself explicitly allows

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Sun to make Solaris more Linux like

2007-05-15 Thread Casper . Dik
I'd be more worried if I were the author of such a module. I don't see how you could develop a kernel module for Linux that isn't considered to be based on the GPLv2 kernel itself and thus forced to be released as source to anyone who receives the binaries. If you don't distribute the GPL'ed

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Sun to make Solaris more Linux like

2007-05-15 Thread Joerg Schilling
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd be more worried if I were the author of such a module. I don't see how you could develop a kernel module for Linux that isn't considered to be based on the GPLv2 kernel itself and thus forced to be released as source to anyone who receives the binaries. If you

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Sun to make Solaris more Linux like

2007-05-15 Thread Moinak Ghosh
ken mays wrote: I saw a posting on Belenix 0.6.x DVD development and would just like to add: 1. Nevada b65+ recommended Will be in 0.6.1. 0.6 will be based on B60. 2. JDS Vermillion 65+ (stable, GNOME 2.18.1) recommended Yes planned for 0.6.1 DVD. 3. KDE 3.5.6 + Koffice 1.6.2

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Sun to make Solaris more Linux like

2007-05-15 Thread James Carlson
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'd be more worried if I were the author of such a module. I don't see how you could develop a kernel module for Linux that isn't considered to be based on the GPLv2 kernel itself and thus forced to be released as source to anyone who receives the binaries. If you

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Sun to make Solaris more Linux like

2007-05-15 Thread James Carlson
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: That's not the sticky part. The sticky part is making your own code that is in fact based on a work by someone else that is under GPLv2. This very much hinges on the fact that based on can be taken to mean calls interfaces in; untenable. Actually, it's

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Sun to make Solaris more Linux like

2007-05-15 Thread Casper . Dik
That's not the sticky part. The sticky part is making your own code that is in fact based on a work by someone else that is under GPLv2. This very much hinges on the fact that based on can be taken to mean calls interfaces in; untenable. Secondly, in order to write the code based on the

Interactive shell usage (was:Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Sun to make Solaris more Linux like)

2007-05-15 Thread Bruno Jargot
On 5/12/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can deal with using 'ksh' for scripting and tcsh interactively; I cannot deal with ksh or bash as interactive shells. They just have too much catching up to do. Does that include the new ksh? Did you report any bugs or feature requests?

[osol-discuss] Compilando nginx

2007-05-15 Thread Lucas Efe
Buenas, tengo el siguiente problema: Un cliente contrató un VPS basado en OpenSolaris. Soy usuario de Linux, desde hace varios años,... pero no de Solaris, o por lo menos no al nivel necesario para resolver este problema. Para la plataforma que estoy necesitando, requiero instalar nginx

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Sun to make Solaris more Linux like

2007-05-15 Thread Brian Gupta
Why do you believe this? From: http://www.fsf.org/licensing/licenses/gpl-violation.html Note that the GPL, and other copyleft licenses, are copyright licenses. This means that only the copyright holders are empowered to act against violations. The FSF acts on all GPL violations reported on

Re: Interactive shell usage (was:Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Sun to make Solaris more Linux like)

2007-05-15 Thread Casper . Dik
On 5/12/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can deal with using 'ksh' for scripting and tcsh interactively; I cannot deal with ksh or bash as interactive shells. They just have too much catching up to do. Does that include the new ksh? Did you report any bugs or feature

[osol-discuss] Compiler mailing list?

2007-05-15 Thread Bruno Jargot
Does Opensolaris have mailing list for the Studio compiler (mailing list, not the dreaded web forum Sun uses for support)? Bruno ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Sun to make Solaris more Linux like

2007-05-15 Thread Joerg Schilling
James Carlson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For Linux, there is no documented DDI other than the source code. In order to write a decent driver for Linux, you *have to* read the Linux code. In order to do that, you must accept the terms of the GPLv2, and, as you use the information you learn in

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Sun to make Solaris more Linux like

2007-05-15 Thread Brian Gupta
What if someone were to attempt to reverse engineer the kernel interface for Linux strictly by reading what is available on the web. (Commentary) I would pick a popular kernel that has the most commentary. (Don't look at source though). You could then document the kernel interface for say 2.4.x

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Sun to make Solaris more Linux like

2007-05-15 Thread James Carlson
Joerg Schilling writes: James Carlson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For Linux, there is no documented DDI other than the source code. In order to write a decent driver for Linux, you *have to* read the Linux code. In order to do that, you must accept the terms of the GPLv2, and, as you use

Re: [osol-discuss] BeleniX meets Indiana (Was: About Project Indiana)

2007-05-15 Thread Brian Gupta
Of course, it matters SchilliX was already fully Opensource before, so what is special in Belenix? Moinak managed to convince 5 or 6 friends of his to help out. Belenix also seems to have reached or almost reached critical mass, as one of the top two leading non-sun OpenSolaris distros.

Re: [osol-discuss] BeleniX meets Indiana (Was: About Project Indiana)

2007-05-15 Thread Darren J Moffat
Joerg Schilling wrote: Brian Gupta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, Belenix is a project run by a Sun employee. Do you believe it is not a Sun project? ... Does it really matter. It is one of two distros that meet the needs of a community distro. Nexenta being the other. Fully OpenSource,

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Sun to make Solaris more Linux like

2007-05-15 Thread Brian Gupta
What if someone were to attempt to reverse engineer the kernel interface for Linux strictly by reading what is available on the web. (Commentary) Doable in theory, probably worthless in practice given the kernel interface churn. No DDI == no reason for stability. I don't think it is

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Sun to make Solaris more Linux like

2007-05-15 Thread James Carlson
Brian Gupta writes: What if someone were to attempt to reverse engineer the kernel interface for Linux strictly by reading what is available on the web. (Commentary) Doable in theory, probably worthless in practice given the kernel interface churn. No DDI == no reason for

Re: [osol-discuss] BeleniX meets Indiana (Was: About Project Indiana)

2007-05-15 Thread Joerg Schilling
Brian Gupta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Of course, it matters SchilliX was already fully Opensource before, so what is special in Belenix? Moinak managed to convince 5 or 6 friends of his to help out. Belenix also seems to have reached or almost reached critical mass, as one of the top

Re: [osol-discuss] BeleniX meets Indiana (Was: About Project Indiana)

2007-05-15 Thread Joerg Schilling
Darren J Moffat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: SchilliX was already fully Opensource before, so what is special in Belenix? When I started with SchilliX, I asked for collaboration but it seems that this does not really happens. but why should there be only one ? BeleniX appears to have

Re: [osol-discuss] BeleniX meets Indiana (Was: About Project Indiana)

2007-05-15 Thread Brian Gupta
SchilliX was already fully Opensource before, so what is special in Belenix? Moinak managed to convince 5 or 6 friends of his to help out. Belenix also seems to have reached or almost reached critical mass, as one of the top two leading non-sun OpenSolaris distros. (From a completeness

Re: [osol-discuss] BeleniX meets Indiana (Was: About Project Indiana)

2007-05-15 Thread Martin Bochnig
Well they did not start from scratch but from my experiences. I was the only person who did start from scratch. Maybe on x86 ... Cheers, www.martux.org/xorg Could you tell me what different goals Belenix has? Jörg -- EMail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (home) Jörg Schilling D-13353

Re: [osol-discuss] BeleniX meets Indiana (Was: About Project Indiana)

2007-05-15 Thread Alan Coopersmith
Joerg Schilling wrote: Could you tell me what different goals Belenix has? They don't start arguments with everyone who isn't helping their personal projects progress, and try to derail those working on other areas. -- -Alan Coopersmith- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sun

Re: [osol-discuss] BeleniX meets Indiana (Was: About Project Indiana)

2007-05-15 Thread John Plocher
Joerg Schilling wrote: Well, Belenix is a project run by a Sun employee. Do you believe it is not a Sun project? Yes, I believe it is not a Sun project, if, by saying Sun project, you imply that Sun management made a decision, allocated resources, or otherwise caused it to happen. Of course,

[osol-discuss] Re: ZFS over a layered driver interface

2007-05-15 Thread Shweta Krishnan
With what Edward suggested, I got rid of the ldi_get_size() error by defining the prop_op entry point appropriately. However, the zpool create still fails - with zio_wait() returning 22. bash-3.00# dtrace -n 'fbt::ldi_get_size:entry{self-t=1;} fbt::ldi_get_size:entry/self-t/{}

[osol-discuss] Any alternative path of sotpi_recvmsg, for UDP recvfrom?

2007-05-15 Thread 邹嘉
Dear all! We deployed some SIP server application on top of multi-core Sparc machine. The CPU number is matched with the number of application processes. All processes are waiting on the same socket and doing the same thing in a loop: call a blocking recvfrom and then process the

[osol-discuss] Re: Is Sunray on the opensource roadmap?

2007-05-15 Thread Damiano ALBANI
Well, in 2005, AFAIK they said they would open source Sunray. See http://www.save-solaris.org/schwartz-nc05q2-chat.html : mcerveny (Q): Do you opensource SunRay protocol ? Glenn Weinberg (A): We intend to open the protocol, yes. -- Damiano ALBANI This message posted from opensolaris.org

[osol-discuss] Re: Compilando nginx

2007-05-15 Thread Lucas Efe
Lo resolví simple. Bajé el paquete: ftp://ftp.sunfreeware.com/pub/freeware/intel/10/pcre-7.1-sol10-x86-local.gz de SunFreeware y lo compile contra eso. Por ahora va bien. Saludos. This message posted from opensolaris.org ___

Re: [osol-discuss] BeleniX meets Indiana (Was: About Project Indiana)

2007-05-15 Thread Joerg Schilling
Martin Bochnig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well they did not start from scratch but from my experiences. I was the only person who did start from scratch. Maybe on x86 ... Depends on what you are talking. There are of course many things needed for sparc that are not in SchilliX,

Re: [osol-discuss] BeleniX meets Indiana (Was: About Project Indiana)

2007-05-15 Thread Joerg Schilling
Alan Coopersmith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Joerg Schilling wrote: Could you tell me what different goals Belenix has? They don't start arguments with everyone who isn't helping their personal projects progress, and try to derail those working on other areas. ??? Jörg -- EMail:[EMAIL

Multiple development trees... Re: [osol-discuss] Re: About Project Indiana

2007-05-15 Thread John Plocher
Brian Gupta wrote: I proposed in an earlier thread that there I felt there should be two products/distros developed within OpenSolaris.org. - OpenSolaris Enterprise Edition (classic Solaris) - OpenSolaris Community Edition (swiss army knife distro) This is a simple idea that gets hard rather

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Is Sunray on the opensource roadmap?

2007-05-15 Thread Joerg Schilling
Damiano ALBANI [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, in 2005, AFAIK they said they would open source Sunray. See http://www.save-solaris.org/schwartz-nc05q2-chat.html : mcerveny (Q): Do you opensource SunRay protocol ? Glenn Weinberg (A): We intend to open the protocol, yes. Meanwhile Glenn

Re: [osol-discuss] Compiler mailing list?

2007-05-15 Thread Alan Coopersmith
Bruno Jargot wrote: Does Opensolaris have mailing list for the Studio compiler (mailing list, not the dreaded web forum Sun uses for support)? You might find some help on tools-discuss, but the Studio compiler isn't really part of the OpenSolaris project, and they seem to like their web forums

[osol-discuss] Java Mobile FX Sun's jPhone

2007-05-15 Thread ken mays
http://www.informationweek.com/story/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=199500131 This seems more like the answer to the embedded space question on whether to use the Nevada kernel or another Sun product. I think the JavaOS model is back in the picture. I'd like to see some head-to-head comparisons of

[osol-discuss] Opensolaris Feb 2007 install on a Compaq nc6000

2007-05-15 Thread Mario E Mira
Hello Gentlemans I received my Opensolaris Kit a couple of days ago and I installed it in a Compaq nc6000 laptop installation went well but when I try to connect to internet via wireless I can not. I open the network tool to configure the wireless in ath0 via DHCP and entered the information

Re: [osol-discuss] Java Mobile FX Sun's jPhon

2007-05-15 Thread Brian Gupta
another Sun product. I think the JavaOS model is back in the picture. JavaOS? Don't you mean uCLinux? (Reread the article) I'd like to see some head-to-head comparisons of the jPhone versus the iPhone. Personally I think the jPhone is a non-starter. uCLinux yes, Java maybe not. brian

Re: [osol-discuss] BeleniX meets Indiana (Was: About Project Indiana)

2007-05-15 Thread Darren J Moffat
Joerg Schilling wrote: Alan Coopersmith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Joerg Schilling wrote: Could you tell me what different goals Belenix has? They don't start arguments with everyone who isn't helping their personal projects progress, and try to derail those working on other areas. ???

Re: [osol-discuss] About Project Indiana

2007-05-15 Thread Alan Coopersmith
Marc Hamilton wrote: You don't see too many ISVs saying they support Fedora (in comparison to RHEL). You don't see to many ISV's saying they support any OS with a 6-month release cycle and 1-2 year lifetime when they can choose a variant of that OS with a 2-3 year release cycle and 5-6 year

Re: [osol-discuss] BeleniX meets Indiana (Was: About Project Indiana)

2007-05-15 Thread Alan Coopersmith
Joerg Schilling wrote: Alan Coopersmith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Joerg Schilling wrote: Could you tell me what different goals Belenix has? They don't start arguments with everyone who isn't helping their personal projects progress, and try to derail those working on other areas. ???

Re: [osol-discuss] BeleniX meets Indiana (Was: About Project Indiana)

2007-05-15 Thread Dennis Clarke
Well they did not start from scratch but from my experiences. I was the only person who did start from scratch. Maybe on x86 ... Cheers, www.martux.org/xorg http://www.blastwave.org/dclarke/blog/?q=node/44 I still have martux running here and it runs just fine. There are a LOT of

Re: [osol-discuss] BeleniX meets Indiana (Was: About Project Indiana)

2007-05-15 Thread G N S
On 5/15/07, Joerg Schilling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When I started with SchilliX, I asked for collaboration but it seems that this does not really happens. I have seen the amount of effort put in by Moinak and other couple of belenix team members during open source events such as foss.in

Re: [osol-discuss] Java Mobile FX Sun's jPhon

2007-05-15 Thread Doug Scott
Brian Gupta wrote: another Sun product. I think the JavaOS model is back in the picture. JavaOS? Don't you mean uCLinux? (Reread the article) I'd like to see some head-to-head comparisons of the jPhone versus the iPhone. Personally I think the jPhone is a non-starter. uCLinux yes, Java

Re: Multiple development trees... Re: [osol-discuss] Re: About Project Indiana

2007-05-15 Thread Brian Gupta
- OpenSolaris Enterprise Edition (classic Solaris) - OpenSolaris Community Edition (swiss army knife distro) This is a simple idea that gets hard rather quickly. Coming up with a roadmap/plan that describes what is intended is where we have always run into problems. Some of these

Re: [osol-discuss] Java Mobile FX Sun's jPhon

2007-05-15 Thread Brian Gupta
On 5/15/07, Doug Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Brian Gupta wrote: another Sun product. I think the JavaOS model is back in the picture. JavaOS? Don't you mean uCLinux? (Reread the article) I'd like to see some head-to-head comparisons of the jPhone versus the iPhone. Personally I think

[osol-discuss] NexentaOS Alpha 7 is now available

2007-05-15 Thread Alex Ross
http://www.gnusolaris.org/Download -- Nexenta Team ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org

Re: [osol-discuss] Compiler mailing list?

2007-05-15 Thread Kuldip Oberoi
Sun developer tools/technologies/platforms Java all use the forum infrastructure on SDN. We are also hoping to have a full email gateway, but are using what we have today. http://forum.java.sun.com/category.jspa?categoryID=113 It has a simple email notification system, watch a topic or

Re: [osol-discuss] Java Mobile FX Sun's jPhon

2007-05-15 Thread Shawn Walker
On 15/05/07, Brian Gupta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 5/15/07, Doug Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Brian Gupta wrote: another Sun product. I think the JavaOS model is back in the picture. JavaOS? Don't you mean uCLinux? (Reread the article) I'd like to see some head-to-head

[osol-discuss] Belenix and NexentaOS

2007-05-15 Thread Brian Gupta
Based on the following descriptions, I think that Belenix and Nexenta are both suitable candidates for providing a basline for developing a community release of OpenSolaris. It actually depends on how far the community wishes Indiana to diverge from the current code base. Thoughts? brian

Re: [osol-discuss] BeleniX meets Indiana (Was: About Project Indiana)

2007-05-15 Thread Martin Bochnig
Well they did not start from scratch but from my experiences. I was the only person who did start from scratch. Maybe on x86 ... Cheers, www.martux.org/xorg http://www.blastwave.org/dclarke/blog/?q=node/44 I still have martux running here and it runs just fine. There

Re: [osol-discuss] NexentaOS Alpha 7 is now available

2007-05-15 Thread Al Hopper
On Tue, 15 May 2007, Alex Ross wrote: http://www.gnusolaris.org/Download alternatively: http://www.genunix.org/distributions/gnusolaris/index.html PS: the VMWare image will take a while longer to mirror. Al Hopper Logical Approach Inc, Plano, TX. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Voice:

Re: [osol-discuss] Java Mobile FX Sun's jPhon

2007-05-15 Thread Brian Gupta
I don't consider Taiwan's First International Computer an established vendor. Also, I think it's going to be a tough sell to the big cell makers. Considering Linux is opensource, and anyone can use it, why would an established vendor go with Sun's as opposed to rolling their own? brian On

[osol-discuss] building onnv with ccache

2007-05-15 Thread Patrick Georgi
Hi, I adapted cw to use ccache for sunpro and gcc and it worked quite good. following are two passes of dmake -k on a onnv checkout as of yesterday (on an older system, hence some build errors). while there are some things that must be fixed in ccache (sunpro handling very likely), see ccache

Re: [osol-discuss] BeleniX meets Indiana (Was: About Project Indiana)

2007-05-15 Thread Joerg Schilling
Alan Coopersmith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Joerg Schilling wrote: Alan Coopersmith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Joerg Schilling wrote: Could you tell me what different goals Belenix has? They don't start arguments with everyone who isn't helping their personal projects progress, and try

Re: [osol-discuss] BeleniX meets Indiana (Was: About Project Indiana)

2007-05-15 Thread Ian Murdock
On 5/15/07, Joerg Schilling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BTW: this is not to you but to Ian, I still would like to know whether Project Indiana is a glossy paper project or whether is should result in code. Glossy paper all the way. I'm just interested in seeing my name in lights. -ian -- Ian

[osol-discuss] Re: ZFS over a layered driver interface

2007-05-15 Thread Shweta Krishnan
With what Edward suggested, I got rid of the ldi_get_size() error by defining the prop_op entry point appropriately. However, the zpool create still fails - with zio_wait() returning 22. bash-3.00# dtrace -n 'fbt::ldi_get_size:entry{self-t=1;} fbt::ldi_get_size:entry/self-t/{}

Re: [osol-discuss] BeleniX meets Indiana (Was: About Project Indiana)

2007-05-15 Thread Brian Gupta
Joerg, You need to take a chill pill, as you are alienating (have alienated?) the group you are seeking collaboration with. Let me give you a hint. Most people don't like to have their motives questioned at every move. Nor do they like contrariness, when it seems to have no logical purpose.

Re: [osol-discuss] Java Mobile FX Sun's jPhone

2007-05-15 Thread Artem Kachitchkine
I'd like to see some head-to-head comparisons of the jPhone versus the iPhone. jPhone seems like a word some irrelevant person came up with. There is no such thing. JavaFX Mobile (http://www.sun.com/software/javafx/mobile/) is a software product that can be used by anyone to build any kind

[osol-discuss] unable to bring up nfs server on solaris 10

2007-05-15 Thread jason jin
solaris 10 11/06 on SUN V240 # cat /etc/dfs/dfstab share -F nfs -o ro,anon=0 /jumpstart #svcadm enable svc:/network/nfs/server:default # svcs -x svc:/network/nfs/server:default svc:/network/tftp/udp6:default has no restarter property group; ignoring. svc:/network/nfs/server:default (NFS

Re: [osol-discuss] Java Mobile FX Sun's jPhone

2007-05-15 Thread ken mays
I'd like to see some head-to-head comparisons of the jPhone versus the iPhone. jPhone seems like a word some irrelevant person came up with. There is no such thing. JavaFX Mobile (http://www.sun.com/software/javafx/mobile/) is a software product that can be used by anyone to build any kind

Re: [osol-discuss] unable to bring up nfs server on solaris 10

2007-05-15 Thread Steve Stallion
Have you tried issuing 'svcadm enable -r nfs/server' ? There may be a dependency lurking somewhere you could have missed. On 5/15/07, jason jin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: solaris 10 11/06 on SUN V240 # cat /etc/dfs/dfstab share -F nfs -o ro,anon=0 /jumpstart #svcadm enable

[osol-discuss] Re: NexentaOS Alpha 7 is now available

2007-05-15 Thread MC
Good work :) I tried the A6 Nexenta Update Manager, but it failed saying packages were broken. Is there a suggested procedure to do a proper upgrade? This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: [discuss] BeleniX meets Indiana (Was: About Project Indiana)

2007-05-15 Thread Ian Murdock
On 5/15/07, Eric Boutilier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 15 May 2007, Joerg Schilling wrote: Eric Boutilier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 14 May 2007, Joerg Schilling wrote: Eric Boutilier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I realize the Indiana Project is in the early requirements stage,

[osol-discuss] Inexpensive/quiet server hardware for running OpenSolaris.

2007-05-15 Thread Brian Gupta
I am looking for a relatively inexpensive server(s), that can run in my (family) living room. (IE: That don't sound like jet engine's) Ideally one of them would be beefy enough to run vmware server on, so I can have multiple dev environments running concurrently. (If they are cheap enough I

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: [desktop-discuss] Re: New project: JPack -

2007-05-15 Thread Peter Tribble
On 5/14/07, Dave Miner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Peter Tribble wrote: Questions for the install community really: - do we have this sort of verbose and user-friendly descriptions available for packages? - would this go into the pkginfo file (I think this would be rather difficult)? -

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: NexentaOS Alpha 7 is now available

2007-05-15 Thread Erast Benson
$ sudo apt-get dist-upgrade -f On Tue, 2007-05-15 at 14:14 -0700, MC wrote: Good work :) I tried the A6 Nexenta Update Manager, but it failed saying packages were broken. Is there a suggested procedure to do a proper upgrade? This message posted from opensolaris.org

Re: Interactive shell usage (was:Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Sun to make Solaris more Linux like)

2007-05-15 Thread Justin Zygmont
On Tue, 15 May 2007, Bruno Jargot wrote: On 5/12/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can deal with using 'ksh' for scripting and tcsh interactively; I cannot deal with ksh or bash as interactive shells. They just have too much catching up to do. Does that include the new ksh?

Re: [osol-discuss] Inexpensive/quiet server hardware for running OpenSolaris.

2007-05-15 Thread Steve Stallion
I have a network attached tape device I built using this board from Tyan. It is a FlexATX so its quite small (only marginally larger than a mini-itx) and is dead silent (under 17db) in full operation and makes use of the newer core 2 chipset (vt-x instruction support) so vmware would run at near

Re: Interactive shell usage (was:Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Sun to make Solaris more Linux like)

2007-05-15 Thread Casper . Dik
On Tue, 15 May 2007, Bruno Jargot wrote: On 5/12/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can deal with using 'ksh' for scripting and tcsh interactively; I cannot deal with ksh or bash as interactive shells. They just have too much catching up to do. Does that include the new ksh?

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