Re: [osol-discuss] Re: What *is* OpenSolaris about?

2007-06-25 Thread Jim Grisanzio
Kaiwai Gardiner wrote: Hmm, sex, drugs and rock 'n roll :-) One would assume that since there isn't that what is Opensolaris all about means that it is what ever you as an individual want it to be - you want to port it to your toaster or roaster - great. You want to run it as a desktop

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: What *is* OpenSolaris about?

2007-06-25 Thread Kaiwai Gardiner
Hi, How about this one: OpenSolaris: What ever you want it to be Open ended, aiming all areas. Matthew On 25/06/07, Jim Grisanzio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kaiwai Gardiner wrote: Hmm, sex, drugs and rock 'n roll :-) One would assume that since there isn't that what is Opensolaris all

[osol-discuss] Re: What *is* OpenSolaris about?

2007-06-23 Thread Kaiwai Gardiner
Hmm, sex, drugs and rock 'n roll :-) One would assume that since there isn't that what is Opensolaris all about means that it is what ever you as an individual want it to be - you want to port it to your toaster or roaster - great. You want to run it as a desktop operating system - hey, what

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: What is OpenSolaris success?

2007-03-16 Thread Alan DuBoff
On Thursday 15 March 2007 11:34 pm, Amey wrote: Recently F-Secure announced a security alert for Solaris OS. Is it a co-incidence ? The link http://www.f-secure.com/v-descs/worm_solaris_wanuk_a.shtml How many know this ? :( Wow, I think you're the first person to find that out! BTW, did

[osol-discuss] Re: What is OpenSolaris success?

2007-03-16 Thread Richard L. Hamilton
Yes, I'm sure a lot of people are aware of it. http://blogs.sun.com/tpenta/entry/the_in_telnetd_vulnerability_exploit temporary patch out fairly quickly, regular patch not too much later. It was a really stupid bug, though (IMO). But people have obviously also been thinking about the bigger

[osol-discuss] Re: What is OpenSolaris success?

2007-03-15 Thread Amey
It's limited at enterprise level only. Not affordable or user friendly solution for mid size companies who are running x86 systems with not much support for Sun hardware software. Would prefer to stick to Intel based servers with Microsoft Windows Server 2003 . Regards, Amey Abhyankar.

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: What is OpenSolaris success?

2007-03-15 Thread Rich Teer
On Thu, 15 Mar 2007, Amey wrote: Please quote some context! We have absolutely no clue what you're responding to. It's limited at enterprise level only. Not affordable or user friendly solution for mid size companies who are running x86 systems with not much support for Sun hardware

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: What is OpenSolaris success?

2007-03-15 Thread Alan DuBoff
On Thursday 15 March 2007 04:59 am, Amey wrote: It's limited at enterprise level only. Not affordable or user friendly solution for mid size companies who are running x86 systems with not much support for Sun hardware software. Would prefer to stick to Intel based servers with Microsoft

[osol-discuss] Re: What is OpenSolaris success?

2007-03-15 Thread Amey
Recently F-Secure announced a security alert for Solaris OS. Is it a co-incidence ? The link http://www.f-secure.com/v-descs/worm_solaris_wanuk_a.shtml How many know this ? :( This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss

[osol-discuss] Re: What does OpenSolaris Success look like to you?

2007-02-10 Thread Richard Nekus
There seems to be a lot of talk regarding CDDL, GPLv3,... but no one (especially Sun, ...) mentions a BSD-like license. It seems, imho, BSD-like license is the eventual way to go for all concerns - User-end wise undoubtedly. This is OpenSolaris afterall. as Roy mentions below: ...If Java had

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: What does OpenSolaris Success look like to you?

2007-02-07 Thread Joerg Schilling
Roy T. Fielding [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Roy, I would like to meet you in Berlin at OSDEVCON for a more in depth talk on the CAB and license stuff... The first day that the CAB met, almost two years ago, we talked about all of the things that OpenSolaris needed to do to become successful.

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: What does OpenSolaris Success look like to you?

2007-02-07 Thread Casper . Dik
I still don't understand why Sun did device to move to Hg while it looks simple to ehance sccs. The problem is that the SCCS source has not been made available fast enough to allow people to point to possible solutions. Sun did not decide to move to Hg; it was pretty much an open process which

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: What does OpenSolaris Success look like to you?

2007-02-07 Thread Joerg Schilling
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I still don't understand why Sun did device to move to Hg while it looks simple to ehance sccs. The problem is that the SCCS source has not been made available fast enough to allow people to point to possible solutions. Sun did not decide to move to Hg; it was

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: What does OpenSolaris Success look like to you?

2007-02-07 Thread Frank Van Der Linden
Joerg Schilling wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I still don't understand why Sun did device to move to Hg while it looks simple to ehance sccs. The problem is that the SCCS source has not been made available fast enough to allow people to point to possible solutions. Sun did not

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: What does OpenSolaris Success look like to you?

2007-02-07 Thread Al Hopper
On Tue, 6 Feb 2007, Roy T. Fielding wrote: lots of wise words elided . Otherwise, stick with the CDDL. GPLv3 cannot be evaluated seriously until it is actually approved by the FSF and published in final form. Even then, dual-licensing wouldn't make any sense, but at least we'd have

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: What does OpenSolaris Success look like to you?

2007-02-07 Thread Casper . Dik
I believe that there is little, if any, benefit to dual-licensing OpenSolaris with CDDL and the yet to be approved/upcoming GPLv3 license - aside from possible good press for the project. In addition, I believe that there are significant downsides to dual licensing, including, but not limited

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: What does OpenSolaris Success look like to you?

2007-02-07 Thread Joerg Schilling
Frank Van Der Linden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sun did not decide to move to Hg; it was pretty much an open process which led to the selection of Hg. I am not aware of a real discussion on that. Read the tools-discuss archives. The whole selection process was out in the

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: What does OpenSolaris Success look like to you?

2007-02-07 Thread Alan Burlison
Joerg Schilling wrote: I read this on a regular base but what I did read did not look to an open discussion process to me. The result was fixed by Sun before the discussion started and this is why I did not join this discussion. On the basis of what evidence? I can assure you it wasn't

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: What does OpenSolaris Success look like to you?

2007-02-07 Thread Joerg Schilling
Alan Burlison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Joerg Schilling wrote: I read this on a regular base but what I did read did not look to an open discussion process to me. The result was fixed by Sun before the discussion started and this is why I did not join this discussion. On the basis of

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: What does OpenSolaris Success look like to you?

2007-02-07 Thread Frank Van Der Linden
Joerg Schilling wrote: I read this on a regular base but what I did read did not look to an open discussion process to me. The result was fixed by Sun before the discussion started and this is why I did not join this discussion. I can assure you that everyone approached it with an open mind.

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: What does OpenSolaris Success look like to you?

2007-02-07 Thread Alan Burlison
Joerg Schilling wrote: I read this on a regular base but what I did read did not look to an open discussion process to me. The result was fixed by Sun before the discussion started and this is why I did not join this discussion. On the basis of what evidence? Based on my impression.

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: What does OpenSolaris Success look like to you?

2007-02-07 Thread Dennis Clarke
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I still don't understand why Sun did device to move to Hg while it looks simple to ehance sccs. The problem is that the SCCS source has not been made available fast enough to allow people to point to possible solutions. Sun did not decide to move to Hg; it was

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: What does OpenSolaris Success look like to you?

2007-02-07 Thread Casper . Dik
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I still don't understand why Sun did device to move to Hg while it looks simple to ehance sccs. The problem is that the SCCS source has not been made available fast enough to allow people to point to possible solutions. Sun did not decide to move to Hg; it was

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: What does OpenSolaris Success look like to you?

2007-02-07 Thread Casper . Dik
The fact is that Teamware had been EOL'd by Sun before OpenSolaris started - see http://docs.sun.com/source/816-7532/relnote40.html, Removal of Features, and it was well recognised within the Sun Solaris community that we needed to move to something else, and OpenSolaris moved the switch up

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: What does OpenSolaris Success look like to you?

2007-02-07 Thread Joerg Schilling
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The fact is that Teamware had been EOL'd by Sun before OpenSolaris started - see http://docs.sun.com/source/816-7532/relnote40.html, Removal of Features, and it was well recognised within the Sun Solaris community that we needed to move to something else, and

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: What does OpenSolaris Success look like to you?

2007-02-07 Thread Joerg Schilling
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The tools-discuss group discussed this issue at length, including the criteria for selection and how the other candidates fell by the way side. Was it really necessary to wait until SCCS or teamware were opensourced? Of course it was. Teamware was pretty much in

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: What does OpenSolaris Success look like to you?

2007-02-07 Thread Alan Burlison
Joerg Schilling wrote: Well, there was a statement (from I believe it was Keith) that Sun was going to work OSSing Teamware in 2005. I was waiting for the results on this. If you read the links I posted, you'll see that this was in fact the case, but that it never came to fruition. From

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: What does OpenSolaris Success look like to you?

2007-02-07 Thread Ghee Teo
This is not much work but it does not make sense to discuss _before_ SCCS is opensourced. The fact that the SCM discussion started before OSSing SCCS makes it obvious to me that there was a Sun internal vote against SCCS before the discussion went public. It saddened me to see a dedicated

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: What does OpenSolaris Success look like to you?

2007-02-07 Thread Alan Burlison
Ghee Teo wrote: It saddened me to see a dedicated honorable OpenSolaris community member such as yourself drew such conclusion (or having such perception) about Sun, I feel like I am wasting all my time reading all the discussion here :-( If we can build up trust among us day in

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: What does OpenSolaris Success look like to you?

2007-02-07 Thread Stephen Harpster
Oh boy. Now you've done it! Larry was /one/ member of a team that designed and implemented Teamware. I'm sure Larry likes to think it's all about him, but the other members of the Teamware team don't and if any of them read this list, you've pretty much just started another flamefest!

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: What does OpenSolaris Success look like to you?

2007-02-07 Thread Joerg Schilling
Stephen Harpster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh boy. Now you've done it! Larry was /one/ member of a team that designed and implemented Teamware. I'm sure Larry likes to think it's all about him, but the other members of the Teamware team don't and if any of them read this list, you've

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: What does OpenSolaris Success look like to you?

2007-02-07 Thread Casper . Dik
Oh boy. Now you've done it! Larry was /one/ member of a team that designed and implemented Teamware. I'm sure Larry likes to think it's all about him, but the other members of the Teamware team don't and if any of them read this list, you've pretty much just started another flamefest!

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: What does OpenSolaris Success look like to you?

2007-02-07 Thread Glynn Foster
Joerg Schilling wrote: Frank Van Der Linden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It was an open process. I read this on a regular base but what I did read did not look to an open discussion process to me. The result was fixed by Sun before the discussion started and this is why I did not join this

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: What does OpenSolaris Success look like to you?

2007-02-07 Thread Frank Van Der Linden
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In earnest, I think that flamefest is really overstating what is happening here. If this is a flamefest, I can show the people who call it that *real* flamefests and then some :-) Seriously, this isn't bad at all for a community of opinionated geeks.. Maybe I'm

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: What does OpenSolaris Success look like to you?

2007-02-07 Thread Stephen Hahn
* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007-02-07 09:04]: When the community controls this, it will be the community volunteers who will carry more of the burden; what we're doing is quite unique: continue to develop an OS while opening up the development process and the source code management

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: What does OpenSolaris Success look like to you?

2007-02-07 Thread ken mays
When the community controls this, it will be the community volunteers who will carry more of the burden; what we're doing is quite unique: continue to develop an OS while opening up the development process and the source code management system. I'm not sure how we could approach this much

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: What does OpenSolaris Success look like to you?

2007-02-07 Thread Alan Coopersmith
Al Hopper wrote: Agreed. I followed that discussion, downloaded the SCMs and was a proponent of git to begin with. But git failed miserably in testing. Personally I had hoped for git to succeed - but it failed on its own demerits in fair and open testing against the competition. git

[osol-discuss] Re: What does OpenSolaris Success look like to you?

2007-02-06 Thread Roy T. Fielding
The first day that the CAB met, almost two years ago, we talked about all of the things that OpenSolaris needed to do to become successful. Central to that discussion were three principles: 1) everyone needs to work on a common version control system 2) everyone needs to use a common issue

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: What does OpenSolaris Success look like to you?

2007-02-06 Thread Dennis Clarke
The first day that the CAB met, almost two years ago, we talked about all of the things that OpenSolaris needed to do to become successful. Central to that discussion were three principles: 1) everyone needs to work on a common version control system 2) everyone needs to use a common

[osol-discuss] Re: What does OpenSolaris Success look like to you? (was Re: [Fwd:

2007-02-06 Thread Shawn Walker
Embracing more people, making more friends, gets more people talking about you, participating, and developing with you. Growing the population. There's other ways to achieve this though - a simple license change may not necessarily be the best approach [1]. A very obvious example

[osol-discuss] Re: What does OpenSolaris Success look like to you?

2007-02-06 Thread Shawn Walker
Otherwise, stick with the CDDL. GPLv3 cannot be evaluated seriously until it is actually approved by the FSF and published in final form. Even then, dual-licensing wouldn't make any sense, but at least we'd have an idea of the actual impact of a switch from CDDL to GPLv3. Roy [

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: What does OpenSolaris Success look like to you?

2007-02-05 Thread Joerg Schilling
John Plocher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some enterprising team immediately forks and strips off the CDDL license, making a pure GPLv3 version of OpenSolaris/ON. 2 weeks later, OpenSolaris/ON Build x+1 comes out (or the Hg repository gate is updated or ...) and the

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: What does OpenSolaris Success look like to you?

2007-02-05 Thread Joerg Schilling
Ignacio Marambio Catán [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i still see no benefit in dual licensing but i'm trying to be unbiased here isn't most of that already possible now? the only difference is that the gplv3-only news would give them a little short lived publicity and opensolaris would not be able

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: What does OpenSolaris Success look like to you?

2007-02-05 Thread Joerg Schilling
Stefan Teleman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This can be done right now, without any involvement with a GPL dual license, solely under CDDL. This hypothetical competitor can take the current OpenSolaris, under CDDL, set up an open development environment somewhere, and purposely and explicitly

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: What does OpenSolaris Success look like to you?

2007-02-05 Thread Alan Burlison
Bryan Cantrill wrote: And again, a derivative of both could still resolve the divergence. The problem comes when, under a dual-license, the fork becomes unresolvable because the forks are licensed differently. Such a fork would force each member of the OpenSolaris community to choose one or

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: What does OpenSolaris Success look like to you?

2007-02-05 Thread Casper . Dik
Unless everyone stopped contributing to the OpenSolaris project and rehosted themselves over to the fork, the fork maintainers will be forced to either ignore the OpenSolaris changes, or spend more and more time resyncing their fork - neither of which is long-term feasible. Sure, some would use

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: What does OpenSolaris Success look like to you?

2007-02-05 Thread Frank van der Linden
John Plocher wrote: Unless everyone stopped contributing to the OpenSolaris project and rehosted themselves over to the fork, the fork maintainers will be forced to either ignore the OpenSolaris changes, or spend more and more time resyncing their fork - neither of which is long-term feasible.

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: What does OpenSolaris Success look like to you? (was Re:

2007-02-05 Thread ken mays
Q. OpenSolaris success? A. (my version) Looking for earth-friendly autos? Browse Top Cars by Green Rating at Yahoo! Autos' Green Center. http://autos.yahoo.com/green_center/

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: What does OpenSolaris Success look like to you? (was Re:

2007-02-05 Thread ken mays
Q. OpenSolaris success? - Success is when open source developers see OpenSolaris as the #1 or #2 choice for any UNIX development or most embeddable projects involving a UNIX-based OS. - When people start wearing OpenSolaris T-shirts during halftime at the Super Bowl. Need a cool OpenSolaris

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: What does OpenSolaris Success look like to you?

2007-02-05 Thread Dennis Clarke
Unless everyone stopped contributing to the OpenSolaris project and rehosted themselves over to the fork, the fork maintainers will be forced to either ignore the OpenSolaris changes, or spend more and more time resyncing their fork - neither of which is long-term feasible. Sure, some would

[osol-discuss] Re: What does OpenSolaris Success look like to you? (was Re: [Fwd: Re: GPLv3?])

2007-02-04 Thread Richard L. Hamilton
[...] ourselves. I also care about Apple because the presence of our technology on their platform greatly expands the community for that particular technology. Do I want DTrace on my phone? You bet -- and at the moment, Apple's looking like the most likely vector to get us there... Any

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: What does OpenSolaris Success look like to you?

2007-02-04 Thread John Plocher
Alan Burlison wrote: When the projects (both existing and yet-to-be-born) to remove all the closed binaries and non-GPLv3 code are complete, is there anything to stop someone at that point ripping out both the assembly exception and the CDDL licensed and producing an incompatibly-licensed

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: What does OpenSolaris Success look like to you?

2007-02-04 Thread Simon Phipps
Thanks for that, John, it was exactly what I was going to write. It's easy in these discussions to forget the power of the community we all comprise. People creating a fork take on the burden of re-porting, regression testing and rework unless they can attract a significant number of the

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: What does OpenSolaris Success look like to you?

2007-02-04 Thread Alan Burlison
Bryan Cantrill wrote: It is our responsibility in the OpenSolaris community to not just reflect today's economics, but understand tomorrow's possibilities -- and to have a license that protects our community from the internecine feuds that have destroyed or hindered so many software efforts.

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: What does OpenSolaris Success look like to you?

2007-02-04 Thread Dennis Clarke
On the third hand, { third hand? really ? } :-) Any fork with a chance of doing anything would need guys like Jeff Bonwick and Jonathan Adams on staff. Bryan Cantrill and Mr. Schilling. Millions of dollars would be needed. Millions. Let me check my bank account .. just .. a sec .. here

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: What does OpenSolaris Success look like to you?

2007-02-04 Thread Ignacio Marambio Catán
On 2/4/07, Bryan Cantrill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Emancipation project finally does its last putback into OpenSolaris/ON Build x, replacing the last of the closed binary code. Some enterprising team immediately forks and strips off the CDDL license, making a pure

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: What does OpenSolaris Success look like to you?

2007-02-04 Thread Stefan Teleman
On 2/4/07, Bryan Cantrill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Let me lay out a scenario that I just elucidated on Stephen O'Grady's blog (http://redmonk.com/sogrady/): let's say that several years down the track, a major competitor to Sun in the server space decides that, much to their regret,

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: What does OpenSolaris Success look like to you?

2007-02-04 Thread Bryan Cantrill
Let me lay out a scenario that I just elucidated on Stephen O'Grady's blog (http://redmonk.com/sogrady/): let's say that several years down the track, a major competitor to Sun in the server space decides that, much to their regret, OpenSolaris is an option that they must not just provide,

[osol-discuss] Re: What does OpenSolaris Success look like to you? (was Re:

2007-02-03 Thread Shawn Walker
project. This assumes, of course, that Sun/OpenSolaris.org/et al are contributing in good faith and adding real value to the project. So far, everything has indicated that they are. SUN did not have to do what they did, and it has a very costly and time-conuming process. When people ask

[osol-discuss] Re: What does OpenSolaris Success look like to you? (was Re: [Fwd: Re:

2007-02-03 Thread Shawn Walker
Apple's XCode http://www.apple.com/macosx/leopard/xcode.html) is a kick-ass front-end for their version of DTrace. I don't see them contributing that back to OpenSolaris. That's not shipping yet, so let's be fair and wait first before saying that please. Stephen Harpster

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: What does OpenSolaris Success look like to you? (was Re: [Fwd: Re:

2007-02-03 Thread Simon Phipps
On Feb 4, 2007, at 05:49, Shawn Walker wrote: They speak of the GNU Operating System and I have been approached by many, many FSF members and supporters around the world who would welcome the chance to have an alternative kernel for that OS, licensed in a way they felt ethically able to use,

[osol-discuss] Re: What does OpenSolaris Success look like to you? (was Re: [Fwd:

2007-02-02 Thread Richard L. Hamilton
An assembly exception is sort of a way to neuter a license. Suppose I have two files, gpl.c and harpster.c. gpl.c is dual licensed under CDDL and GPLv3. harpster.c is licensed under the Harpster license, a proprietary license that solves world hunger. ;-) Now normally, linking

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: What does OpenSolaris Success look like to you? (was Re: [Fwd:

2007-02-02 Thread Alan Burlison
Richard L. Hamilton wrote: [snip] +lots ;-) -- Alan Burlison -- ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org

[osol-discuss] Re: What does OpenSolaris Success look like to you? (was Re: [Fwd:

2007-02-02 Thread Shawn Walker
Stack against that the issues we will have to endure if we dual license - the potential for one license to be ripped off and the source forked *incompatibly* (the incompatibility is the important bit), the inability to move bug fixes between versions, the confusion that dual-licensing

[osol-discuss] Re: What does OpenSolaris Success look like to you? (was Re: [Fwd:

2007-02-02 Thread Shawn Walker
And, perhaps, can we in fairness in this discussion say that we're using GPLv3 with the assembly exception; that makes GPLv3 much more like the CDDL; and I'm sure that the community isn't stupid. If they like that property of the GPL, then they won't stand for the exception. Completely

[osol-discuss] Re: What does OpenSolaris Success look like to you? (was Re: [Fwd:

2007-02-02 Thread Shawn Walker
Unless GPLv3 is phrased such that the assembly exception is the norm, this won't buy is anything, PR wise. To claim that the GPL was instrumental in Sun getting it for Java is a fallacious argument; Java's previous license was not conductive to Open development Casper +1 -Shawn

[osol-discuss] Re: What does OpenSolaris Success look like to you? (was Re: [Fwd:

2007-02-02 Thread Shawn Walker
Alan Burlison wrote: OpenSolaris is already perfectly usable by a community 10x or 100x as large as the one we have today. I really *don't* think the license is the main impediment we face, I think all the other issues that have been raised around ease of participation are *far*

[osol-discuss] Re: What does OpenSolaris Success look like to you? (was Re: [Fwd: Re: G

2007-02-01 Thread De Togni Giacomo
Yes,yes.A Community Free,Open and Independent,this could be the correct way to follow.Great Post Alan,Thank you! +1 Giacomo This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org

[osol-discuss] Re: What does OpenSolaris Success look like to you? (was Re: [Fwd: Re: G

2007-02-01 Thread Bob Palowoda
In our SunLabs/CTO organizational All-Hands meeting this morning I had the chance this morning to ask Rich Green (Sun's EVP/Software) about what Sun has learned in the last few years about licenses and open source, especially with the recent GPL'ing of Java and this OpenSolaris thread.

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: What is OpenSolaris?

2006-06-06 Thread Joerg Schilling
Jim Grisanzio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: James mentioned the CAB. Good point. The CAB is now the OGB, as per the OpenSolaris Charter. I think the Charter outlines well the scope of the OGB -- an independent body representing the OpenSolaris community:

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: What is OpenSolaris?

2006-06-05 Thread Philip Brown
On Fri, Jun 02, 2006 at 05:01:42PM -0700, Erast Benson wrote: On Fri, 2006-06-02 at 16:54 -0700, Philip Brown wrote: On Fri, Jun 02, 2006 at 04:52:48PM -0700, Erast Benson wrote: sound like debdelta which has been around for years is what you are looking for. S'funny.. there was an

[osol-discuss] Re: What is OpenSolaris?

2006-06-02 Thread James Carlson
Alan DuBoff writes: On Thursday 01 June 2006 11:20 am, James Carlson wrote: If they wanted a restaurant instead of a grocery store, they should have looked up restaurants instead. 'Solaris Express' is one such restaurant. 'BeleniX' is another. 'SchilliX' a third. And so on. But how

[osol-discuss] Re: What is OpenSolaris?

2006-06-02 Thread David J. Orman
- Original Message - From: James Carlson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, June 2, 2006 4:38 am Subject: Re: What is OpenSolaris? snip snip I guess that's where I'm getting confused. The way things have been discussed here, OSOL *is* SX. Untrue. I missed a word. The way things have

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: What is OpenSolaris?

2006-06-02 Thread Erast Benson
On Fri, 2006-06-02 at 08:02 -1000, David J. Orman wrote: To elaborate just a tad, because I can sense a bit of disagreement here, I'd like to clarify the distrubutions popping up. Even if OSOL were 100% of SX's source code, I mean completely available, in the same form Sun uses to

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: What is OpenSolaris?

2006-06-02 Thread David J. Orman
- Original Message - From: Erast Benson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, June 2, 2006 9:11 am Subject: Re: [osol-discuss] Re: What is OpenSolaris? Nexenta tries to preserve core OpenSolaris infrastructure and makes changes with reasonable degree to remain OpenSolaris binary-compatible

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: What is OpenSolaris?

2006-06-02 Thread Erast Benson
On Fri, 2006-06-02 at 09:19 -1000, David J. Orman wrote: I tend to think of OpenSolaris upstream as of piece of code which is reusable across *any* OpenSolaris-based distros. I.e. bare minimum whichis enough to build minimal console-only distribution. I understand what you say, but

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: What is OpenSolaris?

2006-06-02 Thread David J. Orman
- Original Message - From: Erast Benson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, June 2, 2006 9:34 am Subject: Re: [osol-discuss] Re: What is OpenSolaris? It is confusing... Or may be we should think of OpenSolaris as set of projects which could be {re-}used as a bricks to build OpenSolaris

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: What is OpenSolaris?

2006-06-02 Thread Alan Coopersmith
David J. Orman wrote: - Original Message - From: Erast Benson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, June 2, 2006 9:34 am Subject: Re: [osol-discuss] Re: What is OpenSolaris? It is confusing... Or may be we should think of OpenSolaris as set of projects which could be {re-}used as a bricks

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: What is OpenSolaris?

2006-06-02 Thread David J. Orman
- Original Message - From: Alan Coopersmith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, June 2, 2006 9:40 am Subject: Re: [osol-discuss] Re: What is OpenSolaris? No - you're both right - it's different things to different people. So which is it (or is it both, officially, which would be fine for me

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: What is OpenSolaris?

2006-06-02 Thread Peter Tribble
On Fri, 2006-06-02 at 20:39, David J. Orman wrote: It is confusing... Or may be we should think of OpenSolaris as set of projects which could be {re-}used as a bricks to build OpenSolaris- baseddistributions. That's what I'm trying to clarify. If that *is* what OSOL is, OpenSolaris is

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: What is OpenSolaris?

2006-06-02 Thread David J. Orman
- Original Message - From: Peter Tribble [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, June 2, 2006 10:00 am Subject: Re: [osol-discuss] Re: What is OpenSolaris? OpenSolaris is that, but that's not the only thing that it is. Ok, this also what Alan says. Hey! *Everyone* who would like to have

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: What is OpenSolaris?

2006-06-02 Thread Bev Crair
: [osol-discuss] Re: What is OpenSolaris? OpenSolaris is that, but that's not the only thing that it is. Ok, this also what Alan says. Hey! *Everyone* who would like to have anything to do with anything that involves OpenSolaris belongs here. I understand. :) Just, from some of the responses I

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: What is OpenSolaris?

2006-06-02 Thread David J. Orman
- Original Message - From: Bev Crair [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, June 2, 2006 10:15 am Subject: Re: [osol-discuss] Re: What is OpenSolaris? David, I you can consider me 'official', then, yes, OSOL - SX - Solaris is the idea. Bev Crair Director, Solaris Approachability

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: What is OpenSolaris?

2006-06-02 Thread Alan Coopersmith
David J. Orman wrote: Now I'm hearing the opposite, and I'm waiting on an official response. I don't know about an official response. Just because any particular person @sun.com says something doesn't make it the gospel truth any more than anyone else in the community. If OSOL is what

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: What is OpenSolaris?

2006-06-02 Thread David J. Orman
- Original Message - From: Alan Coopersmith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, June 2, 2006 10:19 am Subject: Re: [osol-discuss] Re: What is OpenSolaris? David J. Orman wrote: Now I'm hearing the opposite, and I'm waiting on an official response. I don't know about an official response

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: What is OpenSolaris?

2006-06-02 Thread James Carlson
David J. Orman writes: The truth of the situation, is, right now OSOL is not self-sustaining (nor anywhere close) and it is maintained/operated/successful because of @sun people. I'm not I'm not sure that's an entirely fair comment. There are several other distributions, and we don't tell

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: What is OpenSolaris?

2006-06-02 Thread David J. Orman
- Original Message - From: James Carlson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, June 2, 2006 10:49 am Subject: Re: [osol-discuss] Re: What is OpenSolaris? David J. Orman writes: The truth of the situation, is, right now OSOL is not self-sustaining (nor anywhere close) and it is maintained

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: What is OpenSolaris?

2006-06-02 Thread ken mays
The criteria is if someone wants to use an OpenSolaris distro [i.e. community release or variant] on mission-critical or 24/7 production projects. We agreed at one time that the term 'OpenSolaris' is not a commercial or open source product like FreeBSD or Redhat Linux or OpenSuse. We said it was

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: What is OpenSolaris?

2006-06-02 Thread James Carlson
David J. Orman writes: Is it or is it not true that @sun people contribute the majority of the code that is OSOL? I'm pretty sure my comment was fair, and in NO way was it intended as negative/insulting/etc. I have upmost respect for Sun, and I am *trusting* Sun in their intent. This should

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: What is OpenSolaris?

2006-06-02 Thread David J. Orman
, 2006 11:37 am Subject: Re: [osol-discuss] Re: What is OpenSolaris? David J. Orman writes: Is it or is it not true that @sun people contribute the majority of the code that is OSOL? I'm pretty sure my comment was fair, and in NO way was it intended as negative/insulting/etc. I have upmost

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: What is OpenSolaris?

2006-06-02 Thread Jim Grisanzio
James Carlson wrote: David J. Orman writes: Is it or is it not true that @sun people contribute the majority of the code that is OSOL? I'm pretty sure my comment was fair, and in NO way was it intended as negative/insulting/etc. I have upmost respect for Sun, and I am *trusting* Sun in their

[osol-discuss] Re: What is OpenSolaris?

2006-06-02 Thread Alan DuBoff
On Friday 02 June 2006 07:38 am, James Carlson wrote: I don't see how having an accumulation of source code that's known to work on a particular operating system (and some of which that might have needed to be tweaked to do so) is itself a bad thing. In fact, I think it's helpful for those

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: What is OpenSolaris?

2006-06-02 Thread Alan Coopersmith
Alan DuBoff wrote: When JDS and X are putback into the OpenSolaris components of Solaris. then to me they will be a part of OpenSolaris. That's the point - we did that months ago! -- -Alan Coopersmith- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sun Microsystems, Inc. - X Window System

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: What is OpenSolaris?

2006-06-02 Thread Erast Benson
On Fri, 2006-06-02 at 15:59 -0700, Alan DuBoff wrote: On Friday 02 June 2006 07:38 am, James Carlson wrote: I don't see how having an accumulation of source code that's known to work on a particular operating system (and some of which that might have needed to be tweaked to do so) is itself

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: What is OpenSolaris?

2006-06-02 Thread Alan DuBoff
On Friday 02 June 2006 03:59 pm, Alan Coopersmith wrote: Alan DuBoff wrote: When JDS and X are putback into the OpenSolaris components of Solaris. then to me they will be a part of OpenSolaris. That's the point - we did that months ago! Is JDS distributed with the OpenSolaris sources?

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: What is OpenSolaris?

2006-06-02 Thread David J. Orman
- Original Message - From: Jim Grisanzio [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, June 2, 2006 12:54 pm Subject: Re: [osol-discuss] Re: What is OpenSolaris? James Carlson wrote: snip snip Keep in mind, though, that those Sun engineers are all now OpenSolaris developers. The goal is open

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: What is OpenSolaris?

2006-06-02 Thread Philip Brown
On Fri, Jun 02, 2006 at 04:19:23PM -0700, Erast Benson wrote: The problem I'm seeing is that SVR4 packaging system wasn't developed to inter-operate with upstream tarballs and patching system is not an easy one to enable. At least it is not as easy as with Debian or RPM. That means patches for

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: What is OpenSolaris?

2006-06-02 Thread Alan Coopersmith
Alan DuBoff wrote: Is JDS distributed with the OpenSolaris sources? Yep. It's right there on http://www.opensolaris.org/os/downloads/ next to X, Network Storage, SFW, and even ON. If you have put that back to ON, by all means wake me up at 11:00 with news. ON is one small piece of

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: What is OpenSolaris?

2006-06-02 Thread Alan Coopersmith
Erast Benson wrote: Regarding this last statement. Could we expect upstream putback any time soon? I think JDS and X changes must be putback into their upstreams sooner or later... It's a long-term/ongoing process. We cut the amount of files we have to patch in Xorg in half between 6.8.2 and

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: What is OpenSolaris?

2006-06-02 Thread Erast Benson
On Fri, 2006-06-02 at 16:33 -0700, Philip Brown wrote: On Fri, Jun 02, 2006 at 04:19:23PM -0700, Erast Benson wrote: The problem I'm seeing is that SVR4 packaging system wasn't developed to inter-operate with upstream tarballs and patching system is not an easy one to enable. At least it is

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