Re: [openstack-dev] Suggestions for students final year project
On 10/06/2014 05:28 PM, Anita Kuno wrote: On 10/06/2014 04:11 PM, Adam Young wrote: On 10/06/2014 03:25 PM, Patricia Ellis wrote: Hi Adam, Thanks for taking the time to reply. I'm more of a web development type than security. I have some maths background so perhaps something with data analysis. To date I have done mostly Java, some JavaScript, Html, and MySQL. I am interested in learning Python. I co-developed a web app to check and commit time-sheets to a database during my work experience this summer; I did the database and the checking of the sheets. I, have also, created an Android app to monitor the fuel consumption in multiple vehicles, using the Android SQLite Database for storage. I am looking to get someone to work on a Javascript based web client to replace Horizon. Can I just say that I think using new people looking to have work experience with OpenStack to further pet projects, without telling them it is a pet project and not considered a project which others may consider OpenStack to be not the best approach for encouraging new people. Good points: Not knocking your project, Adam, since I know nothing about it, and this isn't the first time I have seen this happen. But I do believe that folks asking to help out with something are looking to gain transferable skills so that they have something to offer a potential employeer who is looking for work experience with OpenStack. That would be what I would be looking for anyway. No offense taken. I think you are looking out for the interest of the poster and people wityh similar interests. I can verify how hard to cut off a chunk for a new developer: I had an intern I was working with this summer. Most of the time was spent on learning the development process. It would not be appropriate for someone in Patricia's position to try and come in and get a bug fix through. That limits the number of projects available. Typically, and internship or a senior project like this is the correct place for a proof of concept or side project. The project can be done with a focus more on functionality and less on stability. We should come up with a published list of intern and senior projects proposals New people have no idea what are considered transferable skills within OpenStack unless we tell them. Thanks, Anita. There has been some work along these lines already. Beyond that, most of the projects I have are Python based Keystone features. You can see the kinds of things I am considering here: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/keystone-specs+owner:%22ayoung+%253Cayoung%2540redhat.com%253E%22,n,z On 6 October 2014 18:37, Adam Young ayo...@redhat.com mailto:ayo...@redhat.com wrote: On 10/06/2014 01:14 PM, Patricia Ellis wrote: My name is Patricia Ellis, I am a fourth year software development student at Cork Institute of Technology. I am looking for ideas for my final year project. I have six weeks to get my proposal together and then 13 weeks to implement it. I am hoping you might have a suitable project on your wish list, one which is of the ”low hanging fruit” variety as my time frame is tight. ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org mailto:OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev Patricia, I am Keystone core developer. I have several ideas. It really depends on your skills and interests. Are you a security person? If not, are you a web development type person? ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org mailto:OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
Re: [openstack-dev] Suggestions for students final year project
On 10/07/2014 01:38 PM, Adam Young wrote: On 10/06/2014 05:28 PM, Anita Kuno wrote: On 10/06/2014 04:11 PM, Adam Young wrote: On 10/06/2014 03:25 PM, Patricia Ellis wrote: Hi Adam, Thanks for taking the time to reply. I'm more of a web development type than security. I have some maths background so perhaps something with data analysis. To date I have done mostly Java, some JavaScript, Html, and MySQL. I am interested in learning Python. I co-developed a web app to check and commit time-sheets to a database during my work experience this summer; I did the database and the checking of the sheets. I, have also, created an Android app to monitor the fuel consumption in multiple vehicles, using the Android SQLite Database for storage. I am looking to get someone to work on a Javascript based web client to replace Horizon. Can I just say that I think using new people looking to have work experience with OpenStack to further pet projects, without telling them it is a pet project and not considered a project which others may consider OpenStack to be not the best approach for encouraging new people. Good points: Not knocking your project, Adam, since I know nothing about it, and this isn't the first time I have seen this happen. But I do believe that folks asking to help out with something are looking to gain transferable skills so that they have something to offer a potential employeer who is looking for work experience with OpenStack. That would be what I would be looking for anyway. No offense taken. I think you are looking out for the interest of the poster and people wityh similar interests. Thanks for understanding, Adam. I can verify how hard to cut off a chunk for a new developer: I had an intern I was working with this summer. Most of the time was spent on learning the development process. Exactly! I think this is a very salient point which is missed both by people in Patricia's situation as well as the ones who send them here. It would not be appropriate for someone in Patricia's position to try and come in and get a bug fix through. Now on this point, I'm going to disagree, simply because I don't have enough information on what Patricia's position actually is. I can guess but until I hear from Patricia herself, I'm just guessing and I would much rather know. It was my desire to know more about Patricia's position that motivated my suggestion she join irc and perhaps ask a few questions, allowing others to ask questions of her. When interacting with other folks who enter under similar circumstances, my first question invariably is What is your goal?. I truly hope Patricia has something better than to get a good mark because folks with that goal rarely interest me, but who knows. I haven't had the chance to ask. That limits the number of projects available. Now here is where I would like to interact with program administrators at institutions such as Patricia's to ask them why a project? We have over 300 including stackforge, why task a student with starting their own, why not encourage them to learn our development process which then can enable them to work on any of the 300 in various stages of development. Typically, and internship or a senior project like this is the correct place for a proof of concept or side project. Well I guess I would like to change things a bit and interact more closely with institutions so they are encouraging students to mix it up with the rest of us (reviewing for marks, that appeals to me) rather than working on their own on the side. They get what the prof wanted but they don't get as much as they could get for their time in terms of what would be useful after they get that rolled up piece of paper secured with a ribbon. Also there are hiring managers afoot in them thar hills masquerading as devs, who knows what might happen if you actually work with them for 3 - 6 weeks what fate might bestow on you. The project can be done with a focus more on functionality and less on stability. We should come up with a published list of intern and senior projects proposals I agree that is would be helpful, not only to students, but also to OpenStack to have a published list of endpoints (whatever they may be) that allows newcomers to be productive while getting what they need to show off to evaluators while also growing skills that will be useful to them long term. Having them learn how to do work that benefits Openstack (how about reviews?) wouldn't hurt us either. Thanks Adam, Anita. New people have no idea what are considered transferable skills within OpenStack unless we tell them. Thanks, Anita. There has been some work along these lines already. Beyond that, most of the projects I have are Python based Keystone features. You can see the kinds of things I am considering here:
Re: [openstack-dev] Suggestions for students final year project
On Oct 7, 2014, at 10:38 AM, Adam Young ayo...@redhat.com wrote: We should come up with a published list of intern and senior projects proposals I know there is a low-hanging-fruit tag in the bug tracker, and this summer when we had two interns on our team working on Openstack we had them both “onboard” to the development process by having them find and resolve low-hanging-fruit tagged bugs in IPA and Ironic. I’d strongly suggest this list start with us being more vigilant about tagging bugs as low-hanging-fruit and then having those act as a gateway into the community. At Open Source Bridge this year, in a session about getting newcomers interested in open source, easy/l-h-f bugs were indicated as a strongly preferred way to get someone involved. Even to the level of suggesting a more senior developer could make the bug report better, with more breadcrumbs for a new person, to make it even easier to get started. Just a thought :). Thanks, Jay Faulkner signature.asc Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
Re: [openstack-dev] Suggestions for students final year project
On 7 October 2014 19:01, Anita Kuno ante...@anteaya.info wrote: On 10/07/2014 01:38 PM, Adam Young wrote: On 10/06/2014 05:28 PM, Anita Kuno wrote: On 10/06/2014 04:11 PM, Adam Young wrote: I am looking to get someone to work on a Javascript based web client to replace Horizon. Can I just say that I think using new people looking to have work experience with OpenStack to further pet projects, without telling them it is a pet project and not considered a project which others may consider OpenStack to be not the best approach for encouraging new people. I think writing a client / gui for openstack is one of the best single projects you can do to get a good overview of the whole stack. Not knocking your project, Adam, since I know nothing about it, and this isn't the first time I have seen this happen. But I do believe that folks asking to help out with something are looking to gain transferable skills so that they have something to offer a potential employeer who is looking for work experience with OpenStack. That would be what I would be looking for anyway. No offense taken. I think you are looking out for the interest of the poster and people wityh similar interests. snip It would not be appropriate for someone in Patricia's position to try and come in and get a bug fix through. Now on this point, I'm going to disagree, simply because I don't have enough information on what Patricia's position actually is. I can guess but until I hear from Patricia herself, I'm just guessing and I would much rather know. It was my desire to know more about Patricia's position that motivated my suggestion she join irc and perhaps ask a few questions, allowing others to ask questions of her. When interacting with other folks who enter under similar circumstances, my first question invariably is What is your goal?. I truly hope Patricia has something better than to get a good mark because folks with that goal rarely interest me, but who knows. I haven't had the chance to ask. If you're doing a final year project and your highest goal isn't 'to get a good mark', then you're doing yourself a serious disservice. You can have all sorts of secondary goals, but by the point in your academic career where you're doing your final year project, your main goal is to prove you're learnt and can apply all of the skills that your course has covered. This actually involves a very different process to getting something done in the 'real world'. That limits the number of projects available. Now here is where I would like to interact with program administrators at institutions such as Patricia's to ask them why a project? We have over 300 including stackforge, why task a student with starting their own, why not encourage them to learn our development process which then can enable them to work on any of the 300 in various stages of development. Extremely difficult to get a decent academic project and therefore a good mark out of an existing project that has had any substantial amount of work done on it. Not impossible, but flicking through a pile of old final year projects that got good marks shows that stand-alone start-to-finish projects tend to get better marks. (I've looked into this quite a bit) -- Duncan Thomas ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
Re: [openstack-dev] Suggestions for students final year project
Is the OP looking to help patch bugs with an individual program or to use Openstack to deploy an interesting use case? The latter is how I interpreted the question. *Adam Lawson* AQORN, Inc. 427 North Tatnall Street Ste. 58461 Wilmington, Delaware 19801-2230 Toll-free: (844) 4-AQORN-NOW ext. 101 International: +1 302-387-4660 Direct: +1 916-246-2072 On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 11:24 AM, Duncan Thomas duncan.tho...@gmail.com wrote: On 7 October 2014 19:01, Anita Kuno ante...@anteaya.info wrote: On 10/07/2014 01:38 PM, Adam Young wrote: On 10/06/2014 05:28 PM, Anita Kuno wrote: On 10/06/2014 04:11 PM, Adam Young wrote: I am looking to get someone to work on a Javascript based web client to replace Horizon. Can I just say that I think using new people looking to have work experience with OpenStack to further pet projects, without telling them it is a pet project and not considered a project which others may consider OpenStack to be not the best approach for encouraging new people. I think writing a client / gui for openstack is one of the best single projects you can do to get a good overview of the whole stack. Not knocking your project, Adam, since I know nothing about it, and this isn't the first time I have seen this happen. But I do believe that folks asking to help out with something are looking to gain transferable skills so that they have something to offer a potential employeer who is looking for work experience with OpenStack. That would be what I would be looking for anyway. No offense taken. I think you are looking out for the interest of the poster and people wityh similar interests. snip It would not be appropriate for someone in Patricia's position to try and come in and get a bug fix through. Now on this point, I'm going to disagree, simply because I don't have enough information on what Patricia's position actually is. I can guess but until I hear from Patricia herself, I'm just guessing and I would much rather know. It was my desire to know more about Patricia's position that motivated my suggestion she join irc and perhaps ask a few questions, allowing others to ask questions of her. When interacting with other folks who enter under similar circumstances, my first question invariably is What is your goal?. I truly hope Patricia has something better than to get a good mark because folks with that goal rarely interest me, but who knows. I haven't had the chance to ask. If you're doing a final year project and your highest goal isn't 'to get a good mark', then you're doing yourself a serious disservice. You can have all sorts of secondary goals, but by the point in your academic career where you're doing your final year project, your main goal is to prove you're learnt and can apply all of the skills that your course has covered. This actually involves a very different process to getting something done in the 'real world'. That limits the number of projects available. Now here is where I would like to interact with program administrators at institutions such as Patricia's to ask them why a project? We have over 300 including stackforge, why task a student with starting their own, why not encourage them to learn our development process which then can enable them to work on any of the 300 in various stages of development. Extremely difficult to get a decent academic project and therefore a good mark out of an existing project that has had any substantial amount of work done on it. Not impossible, but flicking through a pile of old final year projects that got good marks shows that stand-alone start-to-finish projects tend to get better marks. (I've looked into this quite a bit) -- Duncan Thomas ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
Re: [openstack-dev] Suggestions for students final year project
Regarding to the Sahara, we could discuss it in the ML separately or you could join the #openstack-sahara channel at freenode. There is a big area of doing things inside and on top of Sahara. thanks. On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 11:41 AM, Adam Lawson alaw...@aqorn.com wrote: Is the OP looking to help patch bugs with an individual program or to use Openstack to deploy an interesting use case? The latter is how I interpreted the question. *Adam Lawson* AQORN, Inc. 427 North Tatnall Street Ste. 58461 Wilmington, Delaware 19801-2230 Toll-free: (844) 4-AQORN-NOW ext. 101 International: +1 302-387-4660 Direct: +1 916-246-2072 On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 11:24 AM, Duncan Thomas duncan.tho...@gmail.com wrote: On 7 October 2014 19:01, Anita Kuno ante...@anteaya.info wrote: On 10/07/2014 01:38 PM, Adam Young wrote: On 10/06/2014 05:28 PM, Anita Kuno wrote: On 10/06/2014 04:11 PM, Adam Young wrote: I am looking to get someone to work on a Javascript based web client to replace Horizon. Can I just say that I think using new people looking to have work experience with OpenStack to further pet projects, without telling them it is a pet project and not considered a project which others may consider OpenStack to be not the best approach for encouraging new people. I think writing a client / gui for openstack is one of the best single projects you can do to get a good overview of the whole stack. Not knocking your project, Adam, since I know nothing about it, and this isn't the first time I have seen this happen. But I do believe that folks asking to help out with something are looking to gain transferable skills so that they have something to offer a potential employeer who is looking for work experience with OpenStack. That would be what I would be looking for anyway. No offense taken. I think you are looking out for the interest of the poster and people wityh similar interests. snip It would not be appropriate for someone in Patricia's position to try and come in and get a bug fix through. Now on this point, I'm going to disagree, simply because I don't have enough information on what Patricia's position actually is. I can guess but until I hear from Patricia herself, I'm just guessing and I would much rather know. It was my desire to know more about Patricia's position that motivated my suggestion she join irc and perhaps ask a few questions, allowing others to ask questions of her. When interacting with other folks who enter under similar circumstances, my first question invariably is What is your goal?. I truly hope Patricia has something better than to get a good mark because folks with that goal rarely interest me, but who knows. I haven't had the chance to ask. If you're doing a final year project and your highest goal isn't 'to get a good mark', then you're doing yourself a serious disservice. You can have all sorts of secondary goals, but by the point in your academic career where you're doing your final year project, your main goal is to prove you're learnt and can apply all of the skills that your course has covered. This actually involves a very different process to getting something done in the 'real world'. That limits the number of projects available. Now here is where I would like to interact with program administrators at institutions such as Patricia's to ask them why a project? We have over 300 including stackforge, why task a student with starting their own, why not encourage them to learn our development process which then can enable them to work on any of the 300 in various stages of development. Extremely difficult to get a decent academic project and therefore a good mark out of an existing project that has had any substantial amount of work done on it. Not impossible, but flicking through a pile of old final year projects that got good marks shows that stand-alone start-to-finish projects tend to get better marks. (I've looked into this quite a bit) -- Duncan Thomas ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev -- Sincerely yours, Sergey Lukjanov Sahara Technical Lead (OpenStack Data Processing) Principal Software Engineer Mirantis Inc. ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
Re: [openstack-dev] Suggestions for students final year project
Thank you all for your attention, In answer to Anita, in a way my goal is to get a good mark as I have been getting good marks so far. I had a project proposal of my own, a web app for a friend of mine but my supervisor didn't think it good enough to get me a good mark and she suggested I approach you. Final year projects don't seem to be about showing off what we have learned over the last 3/4 years rather to show off what we haven't learned at college. I started off my degree from a very low foundation of knowledge about programming and found I really liked the coding side of things so I switched to a software development degree in second year. It is very difficult to get the balance right when you realize how little you know about the subject, the more I learn the bigger the field seems to be getting. I will spend some time investigating the links you sent me. On 7 October 2014 19:41, Adam Lawson alaw...@aqorn.com wrote: Is the OP looking to help patch bugs with an individual program or to use Openstack to deploy an interesting use case? The latter is how I interpreted the question. *Adam Lawson* AQORN, Inc. 427 North Tatnall Street Ste. 58461 Wilmington, Delaware 19801-2230 Toll-free: (844) 4-AQORN-NOW ext. 101 International: +1 302-387-4660 Direct: +1 916-246-2072 On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 11:24 AM, Duncan Thomas duncan.tho...@gmail.com wrote: On 7 October 2014 19:01, Anita Kuno ante...@anteaya.info wrote: On 10/07/2014 01:38 PM, Adam Young wrote: On 10/06/2014 05:28 PM, Anita Kuno wrote: On 10/06/2014 04:11 PM, Adam Young wrote: I am looking to get someone to work on a Javascript based web client to replace Horizon. Can I just say that I think using new people looking to have work experience with OpenStack to further pet projects, without telling them it is a pet project and not considered a project which others may consider OpenStack to be not the best approach for encouraging new people. I think writing a client / gui for openstack is one of the best single projects you can do to get a good overview of the whole stack. Not knocking your project, Adam, since I know nothing about it, and this isn't the first time I have seen this happen. But I do believe that folks asking to help out with something are looking to gain transferable skills so that they have something to offer a potential employeer who is looking for work experience with OpenStack. That would be what I would be looking for anyway. No offense taken. I think you are looking out for the interest of the poster and people wityh similar interests. snip It would not be appropriate for someone in Patricia's position to try and come in and get a bug fix through. Now on this point, I'm going to disagree, simply because I don't have enough information on what Patricia's position actually is. I can guess but until I hear from Patricia herself, I'm just guessing and I would much rather know. It was my desire to know more about Patricia's position that motivated my suggestion she join irc and perhaps ask a few questions, allowing others to ask questions of her. When interacting with other folks who enter under similar circumstances, my first question invariably is What is your goal?. I truly hope Patricia has something better than to get a good mark because folks with that goal rarely interest me, but who knows. I haven't had the chance to ask. If you're doing a final year project and your highest goal isn't 'to get a good mark', then you're doing yourself a serious disservice. You can have all sorts of secondary goals, but by the point in your academic career where you're doing your final year project, your main goal is to prove you're learnt and can apply all of the skills that your course has covered. This actually involves a very different process to getting something done in the 'real world'. That limits the number of projects available. Now here is where I would like to interact with program administrators at institutions such as Patricia's to ask them why a project? We have over 300 including stackforge, why task a student with starting their own, why not encourage them to learn our development process which then can enable them to work on any of the 300 in various stages of development. Extremely difficult to get a decent academic project and therefore a good mark out of an existing project that has had any substantial amount of work done on it. Not impossible, but flicking through a pile of old final year projects that got good marks shows that stand-alone start-to-finish projects tend to get better marks. (I've looked into this quite a bit) -- Duncan Thomas ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev ___ OpenStack-dev
Re: [openstack-dev] Suggestions for students final year project
On 10/07/2014 05:21 PM, Patricia Ellis wrote: Thank you all for your attention, In answer to Anita, in a way my goal is to get a good mark as I have been getting good marks so far. Great. Thanks for getting back to us. Out of the replies thus far Duncan seems to have the most experience (that has been mentioned) in getting a good mark. He tends to hang out in the #openstack-cinder channel and, lucky you, is in your timezone. I would suggest having a follow up conversation with him to maximize your effectiveness at getting a good mark. I'm still interested in having that conversation with you, Adam, since I think you have some thoughts I would like to support. Thanks Patricia, Anita. I had a project proposal of my own, a web app for a friend of mine but my supervisor didn't think it good enough to get me a good mark and she suggested I approach you. Final year projects don't seem to be about showing off what we have learned over the last 3/4 years rather to show off what we haven't learned at college. I started off my degree from a very low foundation of knowledge about programming and found I really liked the coding side of things so I switched to a software development degree in second year. It is very difficult to get the balance right when you realize how little you know about the subject, the more I learn the bigger the field seems to be getting. I will spend some time investigating the links you sent me. On 7 October 2014 19:41, Adam Lawson alaw...@aqorn.com wrote: Is the OP looking to help patch bugs with an individual program or to use Openstack to deploy an interesting use case? The latter is how I interpreted the question. *Adam Lawson* AQORN, Inc. 427 North Tatnall Street Ste. 58461 Wilmington, Delaware 19801-2230 Toll-free: (844) 4-AQORN-NOW ext. 101 International: +1 302-387-4660 Direct: +1 916-246-2072 On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 11:24 AM, Duncan Thomas duncan.tho...@gmail.com wrote: On 7 October 2014 19:01, Anita Kuno ante...@anteaya.info wrote: On 10/07/2014 01:38 PM, Adam Young wrote: On 10/06/2014 05:28 PM, Anita Kuno wrote: On 10/06/2014 04:11 PM, Adam Young wrote: I am looking to get someone to work on a Javascript based web client to replace Horizon. Can I just say that I think using new people looking to have work experience with OpenStack to further pet projects, without telling them it is a pet project and not considered a project which others may consider OpenStack to be not the best approach for encouraging new people. I think writing a client / gui for openstack is one of the best single projects you can do to get a good overview of the whole stack. Not knocking your project, Adam, since I know nothing about it, and this isn't the first time I have seen this happen. But I do believe that folks asking to help out with something are looking to gain transferable skills so that they have something to offer a potential employeer who is looking for work experience with OpenStack. That would be what I would be looking for anyway. No offense taken. I think you are looking out for the interest of the poster and people wityh similar interests. snip It would not be appropriate for someone in Patricia's position to try and come in and get a bug fix through. Now on this point, I'm going to disagree, simply because I don't have enough information on what Patricia's position actually is. I can guess but until I hear from Patricia herself, I'm just guessing and I would much rather know. It was my desire to know more about Patricia's position that motivated my suggestion she join irc and perhaps ask a few questions, allowing others to ask questions of her. When interacting with other folks who enter under similar circumstances, my first question invariably is What is your goal?. I truly hope Patricia has something better than to get a good mark because folks with that goal rarely interest me, but who knows. I haven't had the chance to ask. If you're doing a final year project and your highest goal isn't 'to get a good mark', then you're doing yourself a serious disservice. You can have all sorts of secondary goals, but by the point in your academic career where you're doing your final year project, your main goal is to prove you're learnt and can apply all of the skills that your course has covered. This actually involves a very different process to getting something done in the 'real world'. That limits the number of projects available. Now here is where I would like to interact with program administrators at institutions such as Patricia's to ask them why a project? We have over 300 including stackforge, why task a student with starting their own, why not encourage them to learn our development process which then can enable them to work on any of the 300 in various stages of development. Extremely difficult to get a decent academic project and therefore a good mark out of an existing
Re: [openstack-dev] Suggestions for students final year project
On 10/07/2014 02:10 PM, Jay Faulkner wrote: On Oct 7, 2014, at 10:38 AM, Adam Young ayo...@redhat.com wrote: We should come up with a published list of intern and senior projects proposals I know there is a low-hanging-fruit tag in the bug tracker, and this summer when we had two interns on our team working on Openstack we had them both “onboard” to the development process by having them find and resolve low-hanging-fruit tagged bugs in IPA and Ironic. There is a difference between low hanging fruit (onboarding) and stand alone presentable senior thesis topics. Both are important. I’d strongly suggest this list start with us being more vigilant about tagging bugs as low-hanging-fruit and then having those act as a gateway into the community. At Open Source Bridge this year, in a session about getting newcomers interested in open source, easy/l-h-f bugs were indicated as a strongly preferred way to get someone involved. Even to the level of suggesting a more senior developer could make the bug report better, with more breadcrumbs for a new person, to make it even easier to get started. Just a thought :). Thanks, Jay Faulkner ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
Re: [openstack-dev] Suggestions for students final year project
On 10/07/2014 05:41 PM, Anita Kuno wrote: On 10/07/2014 05:21 PM, Patricia Ellis wrote: Thank you all for your attention, In answer to Anita, in a way my goal is to get a good mark as I have been getting good marks so far. Great. Thanks for getting back to us. Out of the replies thus far Duncan seems to have the most experience (that has been mentioned) in getting a good mark. He tends to hang out in the #openstack-cinder channel and, lucky you, is in your timezone. I would suggest having a follow up conversation with him to maximize your effectiveness at getting a good mark. I'm still interested in having that conversation with you, Adam, since I think you have some thoughts I would like to support. Typcially, an academic project is here is what I did and you take a concept on through. You need to be able to demo it, or at least have a psoter session on it. Getting in involved in OpenStack as a coder is a great way for a new student to get hired, especially one that has shown they can get things done, but that is different from a senior project. That said, there are things I would like to see done inside of Keystone that I would be happy to have someone Proof-of-concept and then I'd be willing to shepherd through the review process. However, the issues I know of require a decent degree of technical knowledge, and I would only aim them at someone that I thought had the right background WRT security and python, hence my initial questions. My point is that it is less about getting something merged and more about having something that the student can present on at the end of their time. Thanks Patricia, Anita. I had a project proposal of my own, a web app for a friend of mine but my supervisor didn't think it good enough to get me a good mark and she suggested I approach you. Final year projects don't seem to be about showing off what we have learned over the last 3/4 years rather to show off what we haven't learned at college. I started off my degree from a very low foundation of knowledge about programming and found I really liked the coding side of things so I switched to a software development degree in second year. It is very difficult to get the balance right when you realize how little you know about the subject, the more I learn the bigger the field seems to be getting. I will spend some time investigating the links you sent me. On 7 October 2014 19:41, Adam Lawson alaw...@aqorn.com wrote: Is the OP looking to help patch bugs with an individual program or to use Openstack to deploy an interesting use case? The latter is how I interpreted the question. *Adam Lawson* AQORN, Inc. 427 North Tatnall Street Ste. 58461 Wilmington, Delaware 19801-2230 Toll-free: (844) 4-AQORN-NOW ext. 101 International: +1 302-387-4660 Direct: +1 916-246-2072 On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 11:24 AM, Duncan Thomas duncan.tho...@gmail.com wrote: On 7 October 2014 19:01, Anita Kuno ante...@anteaya.info wrote: On 10/07/2014 01:38 PM, Adam Young wrote: On 10/06/2014 05:28 PM, Anita Kuno wrote: On 10/06/2014 04:11 PM, Adam Young wrote: I am looking to get someone to work on a Javascript based web client to replace Horizon. Can I just say that I think using new people looking to have work experience with OpenStack to further pet projects, without telling them it is a pet project and not considered a project which others may consider OpenStack to be not the best approach for encouraging new people. I think writing a client / gui for openstack is one of the best single projects you can do to get a good overview of the whole stack. Not knocking your project, Adam, since I know nothing about it, and this isn't the first time I have seen this happen. But I do believe that folks asking to help out with something are looking to gain transferable skills so that they have something to offer a potential employeer who is looking for work experience with OpenStack. That would be what I would be looking for anyway. No offense taken. I think you are looking out for the interest of the poster and people wityh similar interests. snip It would not be appropriate for someone in Patricia's position to try and come in and get a bug fix through. Now on this point, I'm going to disagree, simply because I don't have enough information on what Patricia's position actually is. I can guess but until I hear from Patricia herself, I'm just guessing and I would much rather know. It was my desire to know more about Patricia's position that motivated my suggestion she join irc and perhaps ask a few questions, allowing others to ask questions of her. When interacting with other folks who enter under similar circumstances, my first question invariably is What is your goal?. I truly hope Patricia has something better than to get a good mark because folks with that goal rarely interest me, but who knows. I haven't had the chance to ask. If you're doing a final year project and your highest goal
Re: [openstack-dev] Suggestions for students final year project
On Oct 7, 2014, at 4:56 PM, Adam Young ayo...@redhat.com wrote: On Oct 7, 2014, at 10:38 AM, Adam Young ayo...@redhat.com wrote: We should come up with a published list of intern and senior projects proposals I know there is a low-hanging-fruit tag in the bug tracker, and this summer when we had two interns on our team working on Openstack we had them both “onboard” to the development process by having them find and resolve low-hanging-fruit tagged bugs in IPA and Ironic. There is a difference between low hanging fruit (onboarding) and stand alone presentable senior thesis topics. Both are important. I guess my thought was that before someone decided to do a long-term project for Openstack, they might want to be onboarded to how we do software development, code reviews, practices, community friendliness, etc BEFORE taking on a long project working with us :). -Jay signature.asc Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
[openstack-dev] Suggestions for students final year project
My name is Patricia Ellis, I am a fourth year software development student at Cork Institute of Technology. I am looking for ideas for my final year project. I have six weeks to get my proposal together and then 13 weeks to implement it. I am hoping you might have a suitable project on your wish list, one which is of the ”low hanging fruit” variety as my time frame is tight. ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
Re: [openstack-dev] Suggestions for students final year project
On 10/06/2014 01:14 PM, Patricia Ellis wrote: My name is Patricia Ellis, I am a fourth year software development student at Cork Institute of Technology. I am looking for ideas for my final year project. I have six weeks to get my proposal together and then 13 weeks to implement it. I am hoping you might have a suitable project on your wish list, one which is of the ”low hanging fruit” variety as my time frame is tight. ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev Hi Patricia: This is going to be a tough one for anyone to reply to since noone knows who you are, your interests or what you've done. My best suggestion is to hop onto irc's freenode server and join #openstack-dev as well as any other channel on this list that catches your eye: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/IRC The first thing you will have to do is learn our workflow, which is really specific and is the same across all projects: http://docs.openstack.org/infra/manual/developers.html You can also look at attending some meetings: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings and find something that you like. Logs for meetings and channels are here: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/ I hope you can find something that interests you. Thanks Patricia, Anita. ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
Re: [openstack-dev] Suggestions for students final year project
On 10/06/2014 01:14 PM, Patricia Ellis wrote: My name is Patricia Ellis, I am a fourth year software development student at Cork Institute of Technology. I am looking for ideas for my final year project. I have six weeks to get my proposal together and then 13 weeks to implement it. I am hoping you might have a suitable project on your wish list, one which is of the ”low hanging fruit” variety as my time frame is tight. ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev Patricia, I am Keystone core developer. I have several ideas. It really depends on your skills and interests. Are you a security person? If not, are you a web development type person? ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
Re: [openstack-dev] Suggestions for students final year project
Hi Adam, Thanks for taking the time to reply. I'm more of a web development type than security. I have some maths background so perhaps something with data analysis. To date I have done mostly Java, some JavaScript, Html, and MySQL. I am interested in learning Python. I co-developed a web app to check and commit time-sheets to a database during my work experience this summer; I did the database and the checking of the sheets. I, have also, created an Android app to monitor the fuel consumption in multiple vehicles, using the Android SQLite Database for storage. On 6 October 2014 18:37, Adam Young ayo...@redhat.com wrote: On 10/06/2014 01:14 PM, Patricia Ellis wrote: My name is Patricia Ellis, I am a fourth year software development student at Cork Institute of Technology. I am looking for ideas for my final year project. I have six weeks to get my proposal together and then 13 weeks to implement it. I am hoping you might have a suitable project on your wish list, one which is of the ”low hanging fruit” variety as my time frame is tight. ___ OpenStack-dev mailing listOpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.orghttp://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev Patricia, I am Keystone core developer. I have several ideas. It really depends on your skills and interests. Are you a security person? If not, are you a web development type person? ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
Re: [openstack-dev] Suggestions for students final year project
Patricia, Perhaps someone from the Sahara team has a need for help to resolve a problem. If patching or implementing a new feature isn't your idea of a final project, maybe create a big data job that analyses real-time Twitter trends on a virtualized Hadoop cluster. Or maybe a comparison running that same job between multiple virtual clusters with Hortonworks versus Cloudera versus Vanilla Apache Hadoop and compare which one performs better and why. Just some suggestions. ; ) Mahalo, Adam *Adam Lawson* AQORN, Inc. 427 North Tatnall Street Ste. 58461 Wilmington, Delaware 19801-2230 Toll-free: (844) 4-AQORN-NOW ext. 101 International: +1 302-387-4660 Direct: +1 916-246-2072 On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 12:25 PM, Patricia Ellis patricia.el...@mycit.ie wrote: Hi Adam, Thanks for taking the time to reply. I'm more of a web development type than security. I have some maths background so perhaps something with data analysis. To date I have done mostly Java, some JavaScript, Html, and MySQL. I am interested in learning Python. I co-developed a web app to check and commit time-sheets to a database during my work experience this summer; I did the database and the checking of the sheets. I, have also, created an Android app to monitor the fuel consumption in multiple vehicles, using the Android SQLite Database for storage. On 6 October 2014 18:37, Adam Young ayo...@redhat.com wrote: On 10/06/2014 01:14 PM, Patricia Ellis wrote: My name is Patricia Ellis, I am a fourth year software development student at Cork Institute of Technology. I am looking for ideas for my final year project. I have six weeks to get my proposal together and then 13 weeks to implement it. I am hoping you might have a suitable project on your wish list, one which is of the ”low hanging fruit” variety as my time frame is tight. ___ OpenStack-dev mailing listOpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.orghttp://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev Patricia, I am Keystone core developer. I have several ideas. It really depends on your skills and interests. Are you a security person? If not, are you a web development type person? ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
Re: [openstack-dev] Suggestions for students final year project
On 10/06/2014 03:25 PM, Patricia Ellis wrote: Hi Adam, Thanks for taking the time to reply. I'm more of a web development type than security. I have some maths background so perhaps something with data analysis. To date I have done mostly Java, some JavaScript, Html, and MySQL. I am interested in learning Python. I co-developed a web app to check and commit time-sheets to a database during my work experience this summer; I did the database and the checking of the sheets. I, have also, created an Android app to monitor the fuel consumption in multiple vehicles, using the Android SQLite Database for storage. I am looking to get someone to work on a Javascript based web client to replace Horizon. There has been some work along these lines already. Beyond that, most of the projects I have are Python based Keystone features. You can see the kinds of things I am considering here: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/keystone-specs+owner:%22ayoung+%253Cayoung%2540redhat.com%253E%22,n,z On 6 October 2014 18:37, Adam Young ayo...@redhat.com mailto:ayo...@redhat.com wrote: On 10/06/2014 01:14 PM, Patricia Ellis wrote: My name is Patricia Ellis, I am a fourth year software development student at Cork Institute of Technology. I am looking for ideas for my final year project. I have six weeks to get my proposal together and then 13 weeks to implement it. I am hoping you might have a suitable project on your wish list, one which is of the ”low hanging fruit” variety as my time frame is tight. ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org mailto:OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev Patricia, I am Keystone core developer. I have several ideas. It really depends on your skills and interests. Are you a security person? If not, are you a web development type person? ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org mailto:OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
Re: [openstack-dev] Suggestions for students final year project
On 10/06/2014 04:11 PM, Adam Young wrote: On 10/06/2014 03:25 PM, Patricia Ellis wrote: Hi Adam, Thanks for taking the time to reply. I'm more of a web development type than security. I have some maths background so perhaps something with data analysis. To date I have done mostly Java, some JavaScript, Html, and MySQL. I am interested in learning Python. I co-developed a web app to check and commit time-sheets to a database during my work experience this summer; I did the database and the checking of the sheets. I, have also, created an Android app to monitor the fuel consumption in multiple vehicles, using the Android SQLite Database for storage. I am looking to get someone to work on a Javascript based web client to replace Horizon. Can I just say that I think using new people looking to have work experience with OpenStack to further pet projects, without telling them it is a pet project and not considered a project which others may consider OpenStack to be not the best approach for encouraging new people. Not knocking your project, Adam, since I know nothing about it, and this isn't the first time I have seen this happen. But I do believe that folks asking to help out with something are looking to gain transferable skills so that they have something to offer a potential employeer who is looking for work experience with OpenStack. That would be what I would be looking for anyway. New people have no idea what are considered transferable skills within OpenStack unless we tell them. Thanks, Anita. There has been some work along these lines already. Beyond that, most of the projects I have are Python based Keystone features. You can see the kinds of things I am considering here: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/keystone-specs+owner:%22ayoung+%253Cayoung%2540redhat.com%253E%22,n,z On 6 October 2014 18:37, Adam Young ayo...@redhat.com mailto:ayo...@redhat.com wrote: On 10/06/2014 01:14 PM, Patricia Ellis wrote: My name is Patricia Ellis, I am a fourth year software development student at Cork Institute of Technology. I am looking for ideas for my final year project. I have six weeks to get my proposal together and then 13 weeks to implement it. I am hoping you might have a suitable project on your wish list, one which is of the ”low hanging fruit” variety as my time frame is tight. ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org mailto:OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev Patricia, I am Keystone core developer. I have several ideas. It really depends on your skills and interests. Are you a security person? If not, are you a web development type person? ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org mailto:OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
