Very possible to do. It's a bit involved but it is documented in my
Oracle9i RMAN Backup and Recovery book and it will work for 8i.
RF
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I have done it in 8.0.6.3 and one earlier version. As Robert says, it is a
bit involved. I had help from Oracle Support when I had to do it.
Ruth
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Indeed you can do
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In
your case, the recovery catalog makes it MUCH MUCH easier! :-) So, I'm
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unrecoverable just because RMAN can not find a backup set record in the
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oh Lord, I hope not. The scripts aren't that perfect.
Besides, that would get REALLY noisy, wouldn't it?
I don't put comments in because I'm perfect, I put them in because of
the exact opposite condition. Swiss-cheese memory, so if I don't
comment what I've done, I have to reinvent the wheel
And I learned, in the one management class I ever took, that if I ever
want to be promoted, or move on to more fun stuff, I have to have made
my job one that someone else can step into.
You know, if more people realized that, then there would be fewer people
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Indeed you can do this. It's a bit involved, but it's documented in my
Oracle9i RMAN Backup and Recovery Book, and it is supported in 8i.
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But I don't anticipate having to
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I do
have one scenario where you really have to use a recovery catalog... When
attempting to backup a VLDB that usesread only tablespaces and extremely
infrequent backups for most of the data (i.e. a large datawarehouse), a recovery
catalog is very important
Geez Tom, I didn't realize it was so simple. ;)
On Friday 10 January 2003 11:04, Mercadante, Thomas F wrote:
separate and simplify the issues.
develop a bullet-proof backup and recovery plan for the Rman repository
*first*.
then develop plans for production databases.
trying to do both
my
thoughts!
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But I don't anticipate having to recover from a prior incarnation
when I have a perfectly good backup from the last successful backup.
I get requests from developers to refresh test databases from production backups
that are 30 days old. This is for billing system software, where they need to
adapted to query and manipulate the ascii text file. Just my
thoughts!
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Importance: High
Hot backup of the repository is fine as long as you can be
assured that all files needed for a complete recovery are
going to be available.
Recover a hot backup of an RMAN repository to another
server using imcomplete recovery, ( your RMAN
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If the backup was made while the repository was in use for
other backups, it may be in a logically inconsistent state from
the RMAN perspective.
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? The RMAN scripts could
have
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thoughts!
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thoughts!
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Joe,
That's what I have heard (from 2 Oracle University
Professors/Lecturers/Demonstrators). But no one would tell me when it may
happen. We do not use RMAN (yet) so I did not pursue it further.
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That's what I have heard (from 2 Oracle University
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That's what I have heard (from 2 Oracle University
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happen. We do not use RMAN (yet) so I did not pursue it further.
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That's what I have heard (from 2 Oracle University
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Interesting thread, since I am just embarking on using RMAN. If the
repository is to go away then why bother learning the intricacies of it.
Has anyone else heard the RMAN repository was going away? It appears much
simpler to setup w/out the repository. Besides reporting advantages, what
very reasonable.
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If you aren't using a repository all you have to do is make sure control file backups are part of the routine. There are 2 ways to backup the backup metadata: 1) the RMAN repository database; 2) backup controlfiles.
Functionally and operationally they're
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Interesting thread, since I am just
embarking on using RMAN. If the repository is to go away then why bother
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I find it useful for organizing and keeping track of my backups so that during recovery it is as simple as running pre-scripted queries to see what I have available - geez am I the only one who likes RMAN and doesn't think it makes things that difficult
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The only things you can't do with
controlfile RMAN/database metadata is:
1) use previous "incarnations" of the
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Actually, you can, it's just a manual process. This is
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That's what I have heard (from 2 Oracle University
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Dennis - I am now running 8.1.6 8.1.7 w/out RMAN, soon to upgrade to
9.2 then implement RMAN. I have 25 db instances. I am thinking of
using RMAN w/out a repository unless there aregreat reasons not to
:)
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backup metadata: 1) the RMAN repository database; 2) backup
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Yeah but do you have to pay for another Veritas NetBackup license and server to backup the catalog? If just have one database server and one database license why should I have to buy another license and install another 1-2GB of Oracle software on another server
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If I need a database to backup a database then do I need
another database to backup the database that backed up the original database?
Exactly my thoughts.
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the database that backed up the original
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Exactly my thoughts.
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The earlly versions of rman suggested that you put a 2nd recovery catalog
in one
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The earlly versions of rman suggested that you put a 2nd recovery catalog
in one of the databases you are using the real recovery catalog for.
Then
you use this to record the backups of the recovery catalog database. I
sound very reasonable.
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I do a cold backup of my repository daily.
Replication of it is not a bad idea
with a definitive answer.
Jared
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Jared,
I do. Actually, I
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You can have a very large site and still do just fine without an RMAN
repository. RE the non-database solution, Oracle has already done that,
it's called the controlfile. I tend to agree with Robert F. who wrote the
book on RMAN where, in another post he wrote
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Hey
Brian,
I only
talk about the way it SHOULD be... not what I actually do.
:-)
I
confess to presently using the suppository,er a repositorybut
anticipate just using control files
after we upgrade to 9i with its enhanced RMAN features. I have a shell
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Never heard of the q29_6 parameter. :-)
Looks like excess glue spilled during a cut and paste operation.
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If you aren't using a repository all you have to do is make sure control
file backups are part of the routine. There are 2 ways to backup the
backup metadata: 1) the RMAN repository database; 2) backup controlfiles.
Functionally and operationally they're pretty much
; but then again is it there, really? The RMAN scripts could have
been adapted to query and manipulate the ascii text file. Just my thoughts!
Arup
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I
agree Steve, and thanks for the info.
Do you have any procedures to cover backup logic
holes if you
have
to rebuild the controlfile for some reason (Ie.. maximum files reached
etc)
Do you
accept losing the backup history and cross fingers or ... have
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I do a cold backup of my repository daily.
Replication of it is not a bad idea, as Arup mentioned,
though I haven't tried it myself.
Speaking of backing up the RMAN repository, does anyone
back
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The earlly versions of rman suggested that you put a 2nd recovery catalog
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Then
you use this to record the backups of the recovery catalog
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If you aren't using a repository all you have to do is make sure control
file backups are part of the routine. There are 2 ways to backup the
backup metadata: 1) the RMAN repository database; 2) backup controlfiles.
Functionally and operationally they're pretty much
Joe - I think it is a matter of emphasis. I think you will always have a
choice between the control file and the repository. In Oracle8i they
emphasized the repository. In Oracle9i they are pointing out that the
control file is also appropriate for some sites. I think this is good
because it
Joe,
That's what I have heard (from 2 Oracle University
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do not use RMAN (yet) so I did not pursue it further.
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its a pain in the arse but you have to pull out the backed up
controlfile(you did backup the controlfile, eh?) out of the rman backup
piece(i've got a script that will do it automagically based on the
filename pieces you pass it).
then once the backed up controlfile
of the
repository is as simple as opening up in vi and typing the lines. Guess
which one is simpler?
Just a thought.
Arup Nanda
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Thanks Bruce,
So it looks like the only feature that does not have an alternative solution
is the stored scripts. You can backup the controlfile and keep the logs to
cover everything else.
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