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Oh I know. I was lucky my last job, we had two full-time DBAs (one
senior - me, and one junior/mid) and one senior DBA consultant.
I *did* look at my boss last week and said I no longer work 20
hour
days
Security is like insurance, people don't want to think about it.
Like people in battle, everyone tells themselves that the person next to
them will be the one to get shot. And they advance over the ridge, facing
the sun...
Regards,
Patrice Boivin
Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA)
Systems
But if you restore to a clone and then export and import you won't have the
tablespace offline will you? RBG
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What Ruth describes is tablespace point in time recovery or
my constant comment to management is
If I am doing my job right, you should be wondering why you are paying
me this much money. When the world blows up and I fix it, fast, you
will KNOW why you are
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mkb, you're right, the glory is in tuning nowadays, but
I start those discussions with are you SURE you want to depend on me
being ethical and honest as your security policy?
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I agree that the glory is in tuning, but I also think
backup/recovery gets
a sufficient amount of respect. It's nice now that
Banish him to the hinter lands, (where ever they are) and let us purify the
list!
And Gary, I have root privileges!
Ruth
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hey - who is this SA and what is he doing here?
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senior - me, and one junior/mid) and one senior DBA consultant.
I *did* look at my boss last week and said I no longer
-Anniversary
-Wife's birthday
Suck up.
;o)
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For me, two things are embedded in permanent memory
Anniversary
Wife's birthday
All that is good flows from these
(see, I NEVER remember the
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Oh I know. I was lucky my last job, we had two full-time DBAs (one
senior - me, and one junior/mid) and one senior DBA consultant.
I *did* look at my boss last week and said I no longer work 20 hour
days.
Not that I had to. He's good, he's very adamant
Has anybody ever come across a virus that affects Oracle db's via sqlnet?
Just curious how such a thing would work (have some ideas). There have to be thousands
of vulnerable db's out there (sys/change_on_install, system/manager, etc.)
(I've been reading Tom Clancy lately... Getting even
That happens even to us SAs who are also DBAs (or vice versa). About five
years ago, I was explaining DCL and VMS to a new co-worker and describing
how I help protect against accidental file deletion by having DEL*ETE :==
DELETE/LOG/CONFIRM in my SYS$LOGIN:LOGIN.COM. So, I confidently issued a
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Oh I know. I
You can get a color laser printer cheaper than that.
besides RTFM, is there going to now be PTFM?
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Patrice,
You can still get them, you just have to order them seperatly at a platinum
plated cost. Last time I looked is was $1500 per
Maritimes, MPO
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Has anybody ever come across a virus that affects Oracle db's via sqlnet?
Just curious how such a thing would work
AMEN!!! Those yellow stickies all over the CD case just don't cut it and there is not
enough screen space on any terminal I've seen that replaces multiple books open at the
same time or books with paper weights holding them open to two separate sections for
quick flipping.
On the other hand,
How about PARTFM (pronouned 'PartyFM' ;) ?
- Kirti
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You can get a color laser printer cheaper than that.
besides RTFM, is there going to now be PTFM?
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Oh I know. I was lucky my last job, we had two full-time DBAs (one
senior - me, and one junior/mid) and one senior DBA consultant.
I *did* look at my boss last week and said I no longer work 20
hour
days
oh goodie, now I can stop feeling badly over it :)
I've learned that whenever I log into a database as a superuser
(connect internal or / as sysdba) the FIRST command I issue is select
* from v$database so that I confirm that I am in the database I think
I'm in.
just a habit, but one that
Actually I'd think entj would be just about the ideal for a dba or sa. You
have the leadership ability to ride herd on people (such as developers), are
driven to keep up on the technical stuff, are well-organized enough to keep
track of everything...
I very aware of working against my natural
I like the hyperlinks on the CD docs.
I like the improved master index and the search facility
I HATE not being able to write my own notes on the page or reading the
docs on the train
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AMEN!!! Those yellow stickies all over the CD case just don't cut it
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I like the hyperlinks on the CD docs.
I like the improved master index and the search facility
I HATE not being able to write my own
Really? I had you pegged as an E given how well you organize all the NYOUG
events/people. The J part was obvious :)
Jay
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hey, I'm an infj -- according to the out placement company, I'd
International, Sussex, WI USA
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I like the hyperlinks on the CD docs.
I like the improved master index and the search
Don't forget the neat stuff you find by accident while thumbing through the
books trying to find something else.
Henry
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CDs have some advantages - expense,
List,
If you have problems with the CD's then the Doc's are available for
download at
http://download-west.oracle.com/otndoc/oracle9i/901_doc/nav/docindex.htm
Just like Alice's Restaurant.
Ron
ROR mô¿ôm
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Whenever I talk about database security, I put the emphasis on the much more
common accidental damage. If the focus is on preventing external attack,
everyone dozes off - few have had (known, at least) penetrations that got to
the DB server. However, how many DBAs have NOT had a case of someone
So no one responded with, We use raid xx. We don't have to worry about
backup/recovery. ;^)
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On 7/22/02, mkb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Ok, I need to vent a little.
Last week, I was asked to do some tech interviews over
the phones for a mid
Obviously you need to lower your standards. Maybe
your test questions were culturally biased. Look
at the SQLSever MySQL culture and dumb down
accordingly. ;-)
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Ok, I need to vent a little.
One thing to keep in mind is that it is easy to get rattled during a job
interview and have your mind go blank on you. This is especially true with
computer technical types who are basically introverts. Some years back when
I was a corporate controller I interviewed a young lady for a admin
uh...raid. Oh yes, I have a script for that.
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So no one responded with, We use raid xx. We don't
have to worry about backup/recovery. ;^)
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On 7/22/02, mkb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Ok, I
baffling and frustrating. Some of these folks claimed to have 5 years
experience!!!
Unfortunately for most everyone, the only people that benefit from most
certification programs are the facilitators. They're cash cows for
the purported issuers of such certifications.
Gary Chambers
Your not the only one.
I usually start my interviews with a Metalink question, like...
When was the last time you used Metalink, and what problem did it help you
solve?
I am just amazed at the responses I get...
Oh, I haven't used that tool from (take your pick) company...
What is a
If that weren't so devastatingly accurate here, I'd laugh. I started,
asked about backups, etc etc
the response was we're on a netapp filer, they don't go down
sigh. they don't go down. Until they do
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So no one responded with, We use raid xx. We don't
Good rant. :)
I sympathize. The answer I get more and more is I click on this item
on the GUI... (I didn't ask you that, I asked you the theory behind
that little radio button)
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Ok, I need to vent a little.
Last week, I was asked to do some tech interviews
Gurus,
ocp will let you enter into an interview - proved.
However the candidates failed to prove it.
Results spoiling the image on OCP.
Nirmal.
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mkb,
Your surprised? Over the last
you have a script that GETS rid of BUGS!?! COOL!!!
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uh...raid. Oh yes, I have a script for that.
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So no one responded with, We use raid xx. We
Jim,
So how many like this did you hear?.
John P Weatherman
Database Administrator
Replacements Ltd.
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mkb,
Your surprised? Over the last 6 years I've interviewed many a
Best answer to a question I've asked:
Question: You have a database crash at 6AM, what do you do.
Answer: Get a cup of coffee first, then look in recovery manual.
YES
Once upon a time while self-employed as a high powered consultant, er uh,
lowly DBA contractor, I was coming
I read your rant, and I agree with you. But I do have
one little itsy bitsy question...
I also asked them how they'd put a tablespace in
backup mode. Simple enough, right? Not one of them
got it right. Not even close. Didn't have clue as to
what I was talking about. Fair enough, you
Referring to the last answer about getting a coffee I don't actually think
that is a bad answer!!
If he meant I will not rush in and do something rash, rather I will plan
what I am going to do and check the book to make sure that I am correct
then I think that is a perfectly acceptable approach.
Who needs a script! According to the advertising RAID kills BUGS dead
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you have a script that GETS rid of BUGS!?! COOL!!!
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even so, I'd rather have someone tell me my mind has gone blank, but I
know I can look it up in this manual
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One thing to keep in mind is that it is easy to get rattled during
a job
interview and have your mind go blank on you. This is especially
IT'S NOT a radio button... It is a regular CLICKY button geez
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Good rant. :)
I sympathize. The answer I get more and more is I click on this item
on the GUI... (I didn't ask you that,
I have been reading this list for the past several months as I prepare to
move my universe of databases from 7.3 to 9 (probably 9) and I have a rant
of my own.
It seems that the implicit expectation is that every DBA should be or
should aspire to be a Master Technical DBA.
I have a slightly
re:
Results spoiling the image on OCP.
what image, the marketing people's garbage? the
clueless HR departments?
big software companies make a lot of money from
training and certification, so they have an incentive
to selectively present information in such a way as to
convince the
My favorite is when they claim to run an n Terabyte database, and I ask
them how they back it up... uh we don't back it up yet...
Bzzzt!! Thank you for playing, bye bye!
P.s. I liked your rant...
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Hm.
these are almost verbatim the instructions I got from Rachel Charmichael
after we lost a disk drive and I'd been trying to recover a database for
nearly 20 hours. (That was immediately before she steered me towards the
magic command that recovered the database.)
you can see how often I use the GUI :)
OBTW.. for those of you who are OEM fans... I heard a rumor (from a
fairly well-informed, usually accurate source) that Oracle's changing
it all again.
T
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IT'S NOT a radio button... It is a regular CLICKY button
I was told that same thing in an interview. He said I don't
know is not a good answer. I don't know, but I know where to
find out. is much better.
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even so, I'd rather have someone tell me
Checking the FM (Oracle 9i Backup and Recovery
Concepts). Page 4-16 gives a high level overview of
the principles and Oracle 9i User Managed Backup and
Recovery, chapter 4 gives a detailed description.
Scenario
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Loss of one or more datafiles (NOT SYSTEM)
In archivelog mode
Database
You have to restore the tablespace with the datafile you want to restore to
a clone database and export the datafile's contents from the clone and
import it into the database with the bad datafile.
HTH,
R
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that Rachel - what a gal!
PS - -- - That Barbara, what a suck-up! :)
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Hm.
these are almost verbatim the instructions I got from Rachel Charmichael
after we lost a disk drive and I'd
For the GUI-challenged... Hopefully Oracle will offer a class on OEM new
features with a certification test on OEM... Probably only a $2000 package
and Oracle will market this so headhunters will require OEM button clicking
certification before granting an interview.
Feeling better now.
The interview (exerpts from some of my actual ones, and then some made up)
We are in my cube. I've studied the resume for Mr. Morias, who is a
Portuguese national who's degree is from University who's name I can't
pronounce and who's credentials I can't verify. He is a brand new OCP.
Me: Good
OH MY GOD, someone remembers what I said? thank goodness it worked.
I've learned that my first, panicked reaction is almost invariably, if
not wrong, certainly not the best way to fix something. Taking time to
THINK instead of jumping in and mucking about is usually best.
you can now see how
OMG! A Socialist in the group!
I believe that if we think about these things in a way that we ask
ourselves how can I maximize the potential of this person in our
organization, pay him/her a fair wage for what they can do, and free up my
time to address the really gnarly stuff we can help
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that Rachel - what a gal!
PS - -- - That Barbara, what a suck-up! :)
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Hm.
these are almost verbatim
At 10:38 AM 7/22/2002 -0800, Mercadante, Thomas F wrote:
OMG! A Socialist in the group!
The irony is it sounds idealistic but it is hard nosed capitalism.
From each according to his/her ability
To each according to his/her value.
The most successful organization will develop paradigms
to
The only problem with your idea that I see is that a typical
organization
will only keep one (or so) DBA on staff per project - they rarely have
excuse me while I wipe the Diet Coke off the screen that I spit out
when I read this. One DBA per project? Oh God that would be a luxury
beyond
For what it's worth:
I have maintained an Oracle/UNIX/Oracle Apps 'how to' two-column word table
document for years and years and... If I ever have to go to another job
interview, my gut feeling is that I should take this 'book' with me, as I
too, need help remembering the syntax (just wait
I can see why they stopped distributing them though, it must have been
costly.
It doesn't remove the fact that it would be handy to have paper copies of
the manuals. It's hard to put yellow sticknote tabs on a CD.
Regards,
Patrice Boivin
Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA)
Systems Admin
and if Rachel were to become a Nun My mother would start sitting
shiva, because as far as she would be concerned, I'd have died :)
I did love the interview I gave once:
Me: Okay, so last few questions. How do you learn about Oracle?
Interviewee: Oh, I read the manuals, read the Oracle-l (I
Yep... I figgur' we are hitting about 8 G's about now...
Just wait for 10i and watch us top 10 G's!!!
RF
Robert G. Freeman - Oracle OCP
Oracle Database Architect
CSX Midtier Database Administration
Author
Oracle9i RMAN Backup and Recovery (Oracle Press - Oct 2002)
Oracle9i New Features (Oracle
Here's the way I see it would develop:
Day one - lets' hire 2 Admin Dba's 1 Tech Dba - cost = $20+$20+$40 =
$80/hour
One year later - stock price drops - sales are slow - damager says save
money - fire one Admin Dba, 2nd admin dba gets all the duties or is let go.
new cost = $20+$40=$60
What happened to the dream about the database that doesn't need
a DBA? Something like that was announced for the version 27i.
You know, everything will tune itself, database engine will
tap directly into the user's mind and, based on that, define the
best possible access path. Of course, the
I don't suppose that we've been told some things about
oracle during my MSCE seminars would land me a DBA job?
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Rachel,
now THAT must have been funny as all hell!
Tom Mercadante
Oracle Certified Professional
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and if Rachel were to become a Nun My mother would start sitting
shiva, because as far
Rachel,
you are actually proving my point - that a company does not have the luxury
(or common sense) to have more than one DBA on staff.
Robert's utopia just doesn't fly in todays world. hire one person and
work-em till they drop is the current motto.
Tom Mercadante
Oracle Certified
Title: RE: RE: Rant
Not me. I LOVE the cds. I copy them onto my hard drive and use the pdf versions. they are SEARCHABLE.
I can find things much more quickly in the pdf's than paper.
Oracle is the only product that I feel this way about .. probably because they have more
For me, two things are embedded in permanent memory
Anniversary
Wife's birthday
All that is good flows from these
(see, I NEVER remember the exact SQL statement, I always hit the
reference manual for syntax. There is limited storage space in my
brain, if I memorize syntax I have to forget
Rachel,
You can say that if you want, I trust my SA's. And that they've earned the
HARD way.
Dick Goulet
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Author: Rachel Carmichael [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 7/22/2002 11:15 AM
um, I'd schedule step 6 AFTER the backup finishes...
Wow! All that information.
Why not publish the book?
--- Sherman, Paul R. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
For what it's worth:
I have maintained an Oracle/UNIX/Oracle Apps 'how
to' two-column word table
document for years and years and... If I ever have
to go to another job
interview, my gut
Patrice,
You can still get them, you just have to order them seperatly at a platinum
plated cost. Last time I looked is was $1500 per set.
Dick Goulet
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Date: 7/22/2002 11:53 AM
I can
Maritimes, MPO
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For what it's worth:
I have maintained an Oracle/UNIX/Oracle Apps 'how to' two-column word table
document for years
Gary,
Since when?
Dick Goulet
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Date: 7/22/2002 12:10 PM
um, I'd schedule step 6 AFTER the backup finishes... I've seen idiot
SA's who start the backup then shutdown the machine or kill
hey - who is this SA and what is he doing here? this is where us'n DBA's
get to trash everybody else.
go away!
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um, I'd schedule step 6 AFTER the backup finishes... I've seen idiot
SA's
FYI: SJs make up about 40% of the population (app. 10% for each
sub-division).
Jay Miller
infp (yeah, I know, what's an infp doing in a technical job... :)
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That is why I use the
hey - who is this SA and what is he doing here? this is where us'n
DBA's get to trash everybody else. go away!
I come in peace -- honest!!! I'm an aspiring DBA, and I want to do
it the right way... How's that? :-))
Gary Chambers
//-
// Lucent
Right and the database will tell the end user where to park his/her stupid
cartesian product sql statement!!
Sometime after I'm dead and buried I'm sure.
Dick Goulet
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Author: Gogala; Mladen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 7/22/2002 12:14 PM
Yeah? And there's a good reason we SAs keep root privileges away
from you DBAs. :-))
Since when?
Since a couple weeks ago, when a DBA deleted the filesystem containing
the system tablespace datafile?
I was just returning some friendly stabs from a DBA to an SA -- but I
could provide lots
How about an ENTJ as a DBA and System Admin...
I'm loads of fun with a bunch of touchy feely type SP's here
at the college I work for ;-)
Joe
On Mon, 22 Jul 2002, Miller, Jay wrote:
FYI: SJs make up about 40% of the population (app. 10% for each
sub-division).
Jay Miller
infp (yeah, I
At 12:49 PM 7/22/2002 -0800, you wrote:
Gary,
Since when?
Dick Goulet
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um, I'd schedule step 6 AFTER the backup finishes... I've seen idiot
SA's who start the
IBM's latest DB2 claims to do this. Self monitoring, self healing.
ltiu
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Right and the database will tell the end user where to park his/her stupid
cartesian product sql statement!!
Sometime after I'm dead and buried I'm sure.
Dick Goulet
I've learned that my first, panicked reaction is almost invariably, if
wrong, certainly not the best way to fix something. Taking time to
NK instead of jumping in and mucking about is usually best.
Fight or flight reaction, wonderful physiological human quality. Regardless
of the experience,
Title: RE: Rant-Rant
I once was contracted to fix an Access database that was created by the Sociology department of a major university. The forms and reports all looked very, very nice. Unfortunately the database didn't work just right...
Jerry Whittle
ACIFICS DBA
NCI Information
Since a couple weeks ago, when a DBA deleted the filesystem containing
the system tablespace datafile?
Fouled SA reasoning from what I can see. DBA's have enough power that they
can wipe out their database (and many others with it) regardless if they
have root priv's or not. So he wiped out
Do you believe them?
Mladen Gogala
Oracle DBA
Phone: (203) 459-6855
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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IBM's latest DB2
what about self destruction??
Sunil
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IBM's latest DB2 claims to do this. Self monitoring, self healing.
ltiu
Sounds like a movie I watched this weekend... Species. It's all science
fiction to me.
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IBM's latest DB2 claims to do this. Self monitoring, self healing.
ltiu
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IBM's latest DB2 claims to do this. Self monitoring, self healing.
ltiu
Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Right and the database will tell the end user where to park
his/her stupid
cartesian product sql statement
Paul,
Um, would it be possible to get a copy of that book?
I just save all the really good messages on this list in my inbox. And
the email addresses of all the people I know who are really good.
The interview for this job, I knew I was doing well when the person
interviewing me (it was
mine have too... but as a generic rule, I'd wait until the backup was
done, unless I trusted my SA
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Rachel,
You can say that if you want, I trust my SA's. And that they've
earned the
HARD way.
Dick Goulet
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Maritimes Region, DFO | Région des Maritimes, MPO
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Sent: Monday, July 22, 2002 5:14 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
Subject:RE: Rant
I don't suppose that we've been told
I was about to say I won't be working anymore for Oracle version 27i.
and then I realized that at the rate Oracle is releasing new versions,
that would be next year so I'll probably still be doing this stuff
--- Gogala, Mladen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What happened to the dream about the
Oh I know. I was lucky my last job, we had two full-time DBAs (one
senior - me, and one junior/mid) and one senior DBA consultant.
I *did* look at my boss last week and said I no longer work 20 hour
days.
Not that I had to. He's good, he's very adamant about the fact that if
there is too much
Self-healing... did it have gaping wounds before?
Regards,
Patrice Boivin
Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA)
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Sent: Monday, July 22, 2002 8:02 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
Subject:RE: RE: RE: Rant
Yes. I do. Because they're IBM
mkb, you're right, the glory is in tuning nowadays, but i beg to
differ, since if you can't/won't do recovery when the chips are down,
then the point is moot.
I specialize in backup/recovery but getting damagement to think its
important today when the db is running fine, is tough. Its only
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