Re: [Oralux] wireless internet and bluetooth with oralux

[Kalyan Mukherjea]

Hi,
I suppose you have seen Gilles' letter where he gives the url  from  which
you can  download the CD. If you have not, then write to me off-list
and I will forward Gilles' letter to you.
Cheers.
Kalyan
Jarrod Jicha writes:
 > I am interested. if you can, email me at jamminje...@jjhof.com I am sure we 
 > can think of something.
 > 
 > 
 > - Original Message - 
 > From: "Kalyan Mukherjea" 
 > To: "Oralux mailing list" 
 > Sent: Saturday, December 27, 2008 11:12 PM
 > Subject: Re: [Oralux] wireless internet and bluetooth with oralux
 > 
 > 
 > > Jarrod Jicha writes:
 > > > I wonder if you could still find a copy of the one that has been 
 > > > stopped? I
 > > > had moved from ohio to minnesota, and lost a lot of my cds, and dvds for 
 > > > the
 > > > computer.
 > > >
 > >
 > >
 > > I have a still-functioning copy of the Oralux CD, probably from
 > > 2006. If you are interested we could discuss how to get it over to you
 > > via the internet. (I live in India and am unable to move around; so
 > > snailmail is not an option.)
 > > Cheers.
 > > Kalyan
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Re: [Oralux] wireless internet and bluetooth with oralux

[Kalyan Mukherjea]

Jarrod Jicha writes:
 > I wonder if you could still find a copy of the one that has been stopped? I 
 > had moved from ohio to minnesota, and lost a lot of my cds, and dvds for the 
 > computer.
 > 


I have a still-functioning copy of the Oralux CD, probably from
2006. If you are interested we could discuss how to get it over to you
via the internet. (I live in India and am unable to move around; so
snailmail is not an option.)
Cheers.
Kalyan
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[Oralux] Voxin-and-YASR?

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Hi,
If you use Voxin  as the speech synt. for Emacspeak, then there is a
simple method by which the pronunciation of any word can be customized
for each Mode. I don't know how to do this in yassr, never having used
it. 
HTH,
Kalyan
Hart Larry writes:
 > Well, in writing both authors, can some1 please tell me if #1 I can buy 
 > Voxin 
 > in the USA?  Seems in looking at that site, it mentions many countries, but 
 > not 
 > the USA?
 > 2nd, if I can, do I have a way of running YASR with Voxin?  How does the 
 > quality or anything else differ from TT Synth?  Ideally, I sure wish some1 
 > would come up with an exception dictionary, as they have in 
 > Vocal-Eyes--and-windows screen-readers
 > Thanks in advance for any info
 > Hart
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[Oralux] Kernel Panic on boot-up

[Kalyan Mukherjea]

Hi Terrance,
Have you tried taking the 4 gig disk out? Probably it will not make a
difference, because anytime you install a new OS  a "boot-record' ' is
created and read at each subsequent boot up. 

Actually I am planning to shift from FC to debian via the Oralux
installation route. So I would like to ask a few things.

Did you do a knoppix-type install or a debian-type? I believe the
latter is preferrable, but needs the help of a sighted person.

I would welcome suggestions about what I am planning to do from other
people on the list who have successfully done a hard disk install.

Cheers.
Kalyan  

[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 > Hello, all,
 >  I've switched to using Ubuntu mostly, but still use Oralux also. 
 > I had put Ubuntu onto my 20-gig hard drive, and was going to put Oralux 
 > onto my 4-gig, with a floppy to boot it up.  Well, now no matter which 
 > system I try to boot, I get "kernel-panic - Unable to mount  about root goes here> to unknown-block(3.1)".  How can I fix this?  It 
 > didn't do that until after I did the Oralux install, so I'm thinking I 
 > might have done something wrong with that.
 > 
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[Oralux] Linux training in India

[Kalyan Mukherjea]

Hello Gilles,
A friend of mine, a retired Professor of English, has recently beem
appointed a trustee of a school for blind children. She had asked me
some weeks ago if I could suggest some kind of computer-assistance for
them; I had of course thought of Oralux, but hesitated mentioning it
to her because I am not very sure  if she is computer-savvy enough to
download and burn a  CD.   I am forwarding your letter to her.

Of course the weekend is almost over! So perhaps you can give her
advance notice of future training programs.

Her name is Dr. Anjana Desai, she lives in Surat, Gujarat speaks
Hindi, GUJRATI  and, of course English!

Her email address is 

  [EMAIL PROTECTED]

I hope I am not bothering you too much with this request.

Cheers.
Kalyan 


Gilles Casse writes:
 > *** La traduction en français se trouve après les 3 astérisques (*)
 > Hello,
 > 
 > This training introduces this week-end GNU/Linux to visually impaired
 > persons. Emacspeak in particular is detailled. The online partipants
 > have been invited to download the Oralux CD.
 > 
 > http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/msg03186.html
 > 
 > Cheers
 > Gilles 
 > 
 > ***
 > Bonjour,
 > 
 > Un stage a lieu ce week-end en Inde pour présenter GNU/Linux aux
 > personnes déficients visuels. Emacspeak y est en particulier
 > présenté. Les participants en ligne ont été invités à télécharger le CD
 > Oralux. 
 > 
 > http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/msg03186.html
 > 
 > A+
 > Gilles
 > 
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Re: [Oralux] Running 2 OSes at once?

[Kalyan Mukherjea]

Hello Gilles,

I wonder which tts tarball you are referring to. You had pointed me to
a package including a script for installing multispeech but I had some
difficulties because of the versions of some of the libraries did not
match what Fedora uses. .  Lucas told me that he also had been unable
to install multispeech. 

I know that Raman uses Fedora and he must have installed multispeech
since  Emacspeak-24.0 has in its servers directory an entry for
multispeech. Was he using the same package?

In any case if there is some different tts tarball you had in mind
when you replied to Hank Smith, could you kindly send me the url for
it.

With thanks and best regards,
Kalyan
Gilles Casse writes:
 > 
 > At the moment, it is better to be a little bit comfortable with Linux
 > for trying the TTS tarball.
 > 
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[Oralux] Espeak

[Kalyan Mukherjea]

Hello Gilles,

I 
 do not know how espeak will sound in other languages, but I found
 both the samples had a harsh  
 metallic sound which was unpleasant. I did not go to the sourceforge
 site to check details about espeak. I am more than satisfied with
 flite except that there is no Voice Lock with Emacspeak. Perhaps
 espeak is smaller and works on less memory but given my set-up there
 is no question about switching from flite to espeak.

Incidentally has anyone succeeded in getting nultispeech   up and
running independent of the  Oralux CD. I liked the voice on the CD but
cannot use the CD because of its lack of support of sticky keys.
I also would like to know about the extent of Voice -Lock support in 
Multispeech. 
Cheers.

Kalyan


Gilles Casse writes:
 > *** La traduction en français se trouve après les 3 astérisques (*)
 > Hello,
 > 
 > Espeak is a completely Free (GPL) text-to-speech natively speaking English:
 > http://espeak.sourceforge.net
 > 
 > Hank already mentions it, several weeks ago.
 > 
 > Here are two examples at 160 and 600 words per minute.
 > http://oralux.org/tmp/espeak160.wav
 > http://oralux.org/tmp/espeak600.wav
 > 
 > If you visit the Speakup mailing list, you know how this TTS is appreciated.
 > 
 > The author, Jonathan Duddington, welcomes new languages:
 > "Most of the work doesn't need any programming knowledge. Just an
 > understanding of the language, an awareness of its features, patience
 > and attention to detail."
 > 
 > Some languages are already offered and probably most of them need to
 > be improved by native speakers. 
 > Espeak 1.16 includes:
 > Afrikaans, German, Greek, English, Esperanto, Finnish, Italian,
 > Polish, Russian, Spanish, Welsh.
 > 
 > Cheers
 > Gilles 
 > 
 > ***
 > Bonjour,
 > 
 > Espeak est une synthèse vocale Libre (GPL) et très légère parlant
 > nativement anglais : 
 > http://espeak.sourceforge.net
 > 
 > Hank l'a déjà mentionné, il y a plusieurs semaines.
 > 
 > Voici 2 exemples en anglais à 160 et 600 mots par minute.
 > http://oralux.org/tmp/espeak160.wav
 > http://oralux.org/tmp/espeak600.wav
 > 
 > Si vous visitez la liste Speakup, vous savez combien cette synthèse
 > est appréciée.
 > 
 > L'auteur, Jonathan Duddington, souhaite proposer d'autres langues.
 > La doc en anglais indique :
 > L'ajout d'une langue demande de la comprendre, d'être conscient de
 > ses caractéristiques, demande aussi de la patience et de l'attention
 > aux détails.
 > 
 > Certains langages sont déjà proposés, mais il faudrait qu'ils soient
 > améliorés par des personnes les parlant couramment.
 > 
 > Espeak 1.16 contient un support pour les langues suivantes :
 > Afrikaans, allemand, anglais, espagnol, espéranto, finlandais, gallois,
 > grec, italien, polonais, russe.
 > 
 > A+
 > Gilles
 > 
 > 
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[Oralux] couple of questions about speakup with oralux.

[Kalyan Mukherjea]

Hi Krishna,
In Emacspeak C-e dk runs the command
which toggles character echo on and off. I guess this is what you
wanted: but I would recommend that you use C-h C-eto read the
overview of Emacspeak. All Emacspeak commands are listed there.
HTH.
Cheers.
Kalyan

krishnakant Mane writes:
 > hello,

 > second,
 > I want to turn off key echo and only listen to words that I type.
 > how can I do it?
 > Krishnakant.
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[Oralux] Changing pronunciations in speakup/flite?

[Kalyan Mukherjea]

Hi,
I use flite as my speech engine for Emacspeak and it is quite easy to
change pronunciations from within Emacspeak. I believe yasr also uses
the Emacspeak protocol: but I don't know if this means that the
behaviour of flite can be changed outside Emacspeak. If you find that
the  Emacspeak  method can be adapted to work with yasr etc. I could
write a detailed note on this; but first check out  what "Emacspeak
protocol" means.

Cheers.
Kalyan 



 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 >  Does anyone know if it's possible to change the way words are 
 > pronounced in speakup and/or flight?  I'm on a list that uses the 
 > abbreviation "ped" (spelled p e d, in case anyone else's system 
 > pronounces it the same way mine does), and because of what the screen 
 > reader does to it, I almost miss it half the time and am wondering why the 
 > sentence sounds weird until I realize that's what's happened.  I'd like to 
 > get it to pronounce it so it rhymes with "bread" instead of just being an 
 > almost unnoticeable consonant.
 > 
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Re: [Oralux] GNU/Linux e-learning

[Kalyan Mukherjea]

Hello, 

I am probably advertising my ignorance about "tickets"! I would like
to have a copy of Bob Chassels' book in one of the following formats:
texi/info or html. Could somebody post a link from where I can get
this?

Thanks.
Cheers.
Kalyan 
Gilles Casse writes:
 > Jim Green writes:
 >  > While on the subject of learning, I recomend
 >  > Oralux includes a copy of:
 >  > 
 >  >  An Introduction to Programming in Emacs Lisp
 >  >  by Robert J. Chassell
 >  > 
 > 
 > As a reminder, a tickat has been added. The book will be added in 0.8.
 > Thank you,
 > 
 > Gilles
 > 
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[Oralux] How far can one go with the Oralux CD

[Kalyan Mukherjea]

Hello all,
  I have just gotten myself the latest Oralux CD image burned to a
  CD. I am surprised and impressed by how much more versatile this
  package now is, compared to the one I had downloaded in 2004!
Particularly nice is the multispeech tts for use with Emacspeak.  

My question is the following:

Can I use this CD as a nucleus  for a Debian type Linux system on my
hard disc? Since aptget will get installed with the Oralux package
(this correct, isn't it?) I could slowly build up this system to
include X, gnome and tetex and keep using my Fedora Core 3 system on
which Emacspeak uses Lucas Lohrer's alsa enabled flite binary.

I  have about 20 Gb of spare capacity on my hard disc.

Any suggestions or warnings would be welcome.

Cheers.
Kalyan 
 
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Re: [Oralux] 3 up, 3 down, 3 working mail clients.

[Kalyan Mukherjea]

Hello Gilles,

  Several months ago I had mentioned to you that msmtp is a very
  convenient tool for sending emails. It was the only tool I could
  manage to configure to send mail from inside Emacspeak.

I think I had then mentioned this in a post to the list  because Lucas
wrote back thanking me fir this useful piece of information. I really
don't know the other clients Doug and you  are discussing, but I
*think* msmtp is a relatively small program and it would be nice if it
could be included. Has anyone successfully sent mail through gmail.com
from inside Emacspeak using sendmail?

Cheers.
Kalyan
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[Oralux] kde

[Kalyan Mukherjea]

I used to be on the festival mailing list 3 years ago and recall an
exchange between a developer of KDE and Alan Black discussing the
possibility of incorporating festival's tts capability to the KDE
Window Manager.
Cheers.
Kalyan







mike coulombe writes:
 > Hi does anyone know if kde has axcessibility.
 > I was reading something that said 3.4 will talk to you.
 > I think they are up to 3.5 now.
 > So I just wondered if it does include a screen reader.
 > Have a nice day Mike.
 > X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0623-0, 06/05/2006), Outbound message
 > X-Antivirus-Status: Clean
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[Oralux] E-mail client in Oralux

[Kalyan Mukherjea]

Hi,
If you are using Emacspeak as your desktop then VM (View Mail) is the
best bet. It is quite easy to set up unless your email provider (like
gmail) is highly security conscious. You need to create a .vm
configuration file: I'll send you mine as a template if you
want. Sending mail from inside VM is easiest done if you install
msmtp.

Cheers.
Kalyan  






André Carioca writes:
 > Hello All.
 > 
 > Is ther some e-amil client in oralux?
 > 
 > Thanks.
 > 
 > 
 > André.
 > 
 >  
 > 
 >  
 >  
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[Oralux] Streaming Radio

[Kalyan Mukherjea]

Hi Doug,
   Sometime ago Raman posted an item about playing radio broadcasts
using mplayer on his blog, which is at:


There he mentioned that to play streaming audio, mplayer must be
compiled from sources "in the presence of electric fence" or something
like that.

Apparently when this has been done on a alsa equipped machine, mplayer
will use alsa and one can listen to radio and at the same time use
Emacspeak running viavoice under alsa. Perhaps you could try this
out. 

 I have not tried compiling mplayer in the manner suggested by
 Raman nor have I succeeded in getting viavoice working under
 alsa. So all this should be treated as `hearsay evidence'.

Cheers,

Kalyan
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[Oralux] sending mail to google mail server

[Kalyan Mukherjea]

Hi Terrance,
   Sorry for the delay in replying to your complaint that msmtp is not
   working for you.

   It is a bit difficult for me to tell since you said you had an
   empty buffer as ``trace of ''. 

   Are you sure msmtp has been installed properly? I mean you have all
   the dependencies also installed? Did you install via a tarball ,
   ./configure, make, make install route or did you use an rpm?

You could check msmtp by going to a shell buffer and typing
$msmtp smtp.gmail.com --serverinfo". You 
This ought to give some output in the shell buffer immediately and
therefore more useful for diagnostic purposes.

HTH.
Cheers,
Kalyan
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[Oralux] sending mail through google's smtp server

[Kalyan Mukherjea]

Hi Terrence,

There is one difference, actually two, between our .msmtprc files:

Are you sure that you have the port number correct? Just for you to
compare, I am including my .msmtprc file (sans password!) below:

account default
host smtp.gmail.com
auth on
user [EMAIL PROTECTED]
password 
port 587
from [EMAIL PROTECTED]
tls on

The other difference is that you have TLS off; but that setting would be 
server-dependent.

I had a friend in CalTech (Pasadena,CA) who is a network adminstrator
check msmtp out thoroughly; so I think the program itself is stable
and does its job properly.

Best of luck.
Kalyan



Terrence van Ettinger writes:
 > Hmm... For some reason when I do that, I get "sending failed, smtp
 > protocol error."  Here's my msmtprc file:
 > 
 > account default
 > host smtpout.secureserver.net
 > auth on
 > user [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 > password *
 > port 80
 > from [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 > tls off
 > 
 >  Every line in my emacs regarding smtpmail has been commented
 > out.
 > 
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[Oralux] sending mail through google's smtp server

[Kalyan Mukherjea]

Hi Terrence,
The *only*  line in  my .emacs file having to do with sending mail is:
;SMTP MAIL STUFF
(setq sendmail-program "/usr/bin/msmtp")

It really is that simple!
Cheers,
Kalyan




Terrence van Ettinger writes:
 > Hey there, Kalyan,
 >  I hadn't followed the list for a while due to having way too
 >  many things on my plate, but looking back over the messages,
 >  this one caught my attention.  My question is this: Did you
 >  delete the (load-library "smtpmail") line, or did you leave it
 >  in?
 > 
 > Thanks,
 > Terrence
 >  
 > Kalyan Mukherjea writes:
 >  > Hi Doug and others who have been trying to help me with the problem
 >  > described in the subject line.
 >  > 
 >  > Install `msmtp' add one line to your .emacs file
 >  > 
 >  > (setq sendmail-program  "/usrbin/msmtp")
 >  > 
 >  > or wherever msmtp is installed.
 >  > Remove all references to smtpmail etc  from your .emacs,
 > .
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[Oralux] Could someone please help me learn how to use yasr?

[Kalyan Mukherjea]

Hi Doug,

In my sighted days, when I used to use MSDOS (Windows had just
appeared) I used to use an editor called Norton Editor, the
executable  for this was ne.com. I wonder if this is what you are
talking about.

Actually, I have rather pleasant memories of ne. I would type portions
of a LaTex file, go to the norton shell, compile it , open a previewer
and check out what I had done. I have no recollection of the commands
except that the function keys were used a lot.

I certainly would not even thing  of changing from Emacs(peak) now!

Cheers.
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[Oralux] sending mail through google's smtp server

[Kalyan Mukherjea]

Hi Doug and others who have been trying to help me with the problem
described in the subject line.

Install `msmtp' add one line to your .emacs file

(setq sendmail-program  "/usrbin/msmtp")

or wherever msmtp is installed.
Remove all references to smtpmail etc  from your .emacs,

create a ~/.msmtprc file following the example below:

account default
host smtp.gmail.com
auth on
user [EMAIL PROTECTED]
password 
port 587
from [EMAIL PROTECTED]
tls on


Now open a shell buffer and do:

$ chmod 600 ~/.msmtprc

You are ready.
I have not tried this, but msmtp supports multiple configuration
files and if you can tell emacs to use the configuration file of
your choice, then you could send mail through different
mail-servers.

Apologies to people have created a fuss and thanks to  everybody who
tried to help, particularly Lucas and Roman.

Cheers.
Kalyan
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[Oralux] sending mail through gmail

[Kalyan Mukherjea]

This is my earlier letter which Doug either  did not read carefully or
had been sent in a mutilatedform.

Doug Smith wrote:
" Ok, I have never worked with this mail server, so I will have to see
how that system is set up to interact with users.  This one will take
a couple of days, but it appears that it might be solvable.  I hope
so, so I will look at the site to see how they have things set up for
their users to get into the server."
 


Hi Doug, Roman,
Thanks for trying to help.

Let me give you some background on my system.

Here is the portion of my ~/.emacs for sending mail

;SMTP MAIL STUFF

(setq send-mail-function 'smtpmail-send-it)
;(setq smtpmail-default-smtp-server "smtp.gmail.com")
(setq smtpmail-smtp-server "smtp.gmail.com")
(setq smtpmail-local-domain  nil)
(setq smtpmail-debug-info t) ; only to debug problems
(setq smtpmail-auth-credentials
  '(("smtp.gmail.com" "587" "kalyan.infinity" "***")))
(setq smtpmail-starttls-credentials
  '(("smtp.gmail.com" "587" nil nil)))
(load-library "smtpmail")
  

If I try to send an email using these settings, I get the following in
the buffer "Trace of smtp-session"

250 ENHANCEDSTATUSCODES
530 5.7.0 Must issue a STARTTLS command first 
221 2.0.0 mx.gmail.com closing connection 34sm2847668nza
Sending failed; SMTP protocol error
signal: Sending failed; SMTP protocol error

Okay. It was suggested to me that installing a program called
msmtpmail 
would make things easier to configure. But I have failed to build it
from sources and could not find a FC3 rpm for this.

Hope you guys can come up with something.

Cheers.
Kalyan
 
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[Kalyan Mukherjea]

Hi Doug,

I thought I included the smtp stuff from my .emacs file.

What I was trying to build was msmtp, note there are five letters
"Mike Steve Mike Ted Paul"! I'll re-send my earlier mail to
you.

Cheers.
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[Kalyan Mukherjea]

Hi Doug,
   You offered to help Teresa with "any other settings". How about
solving my "gmail problem"?

My wife recently gave me an invitation to a gmail account; since I
have retired and no longer have an "office email-id" I accepted. 

I can access my emails from pop.gmail.com using VM with a little
tweaking of my .vm file. But I am unable to send mail through
smtp.gmail.com. They have a TLS certification requirement which
rejects all my requests to deliver mail. The error message I get is:

220 mx.gmail.com ESMTP 39sm11589443nzk
EHLO localhost.localdomain.vsnl.net.in
250-mx.gmail.com at your service
250-SIZE 20971520
250-8BITMIME
250-STARTTLS
250 ENHANCEDSTATUSCODES
MAIL FROM:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> SIZE=330
530 5.7.0 Must issue a STARTTLS command first 39sm11589443nzk
QUIT
221 2.0.0 mx.gmail.com closing connection 39sm11589443nzk

Any ideas from anyone on the list would be most welcome. But please
remember, I have to work from inside Emacspeak.

Cheers.
Kalyan
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Oops! I forgot to attach the mail-alias file! Here it is.
Cheers.
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.mailrc
Description: mail-alias file
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[Oralux] Aliases. Off-topic?

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Hi Jim,

There is nothing complicated about it. Even when you are using VM,
when you compose or send a letter, you are in Mail mode. So your
~/.mailrc  file need not be in Emacslisp.

I am attaching my  .mailrc ie mail-alias file below.
HTH,
Cheers,
Kalyan
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[Oralux] off-topic?

[Kalyan Mukherjea]

Hello,

Does anyone use googlemail, that is the mailserver gmail.com?

I have an account there and access my incoming mail from pop.gmail.com
using VM and stunnel.
But if I try to send mail
I get the message:

530 5.7.0 Must issue a STARTTLS command first .

I put this in a google search and there are lots of solutions out
there but for Windows based systems.

Could anyone help?

Cheers.
Kalyan-




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[Kalyan Mukherjea]

bg
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Re: [Oralux] If smtp mail server needs password authentication...

[Kalyan Mukherjea]

Hi again Lucas! and any other listers who might help,

This letter has to do with my efforts to set up smtpmail to send out
mail using gmail.

What I have in my .emacs under
;smtp stuff is very much like yours. Here it is:

;smtpstuff
(setq user-mail-address "[EMAIL PROTECTED]")
  (setq send-mail-function 'smtpmail-send-it)
(setq smtpmail-default-server nil)
  (setq smtpmail-smtp-server "smtp.gmail.com")
  (setq smtpmail-smtp-service 587);you had `25; but gmail.com specifies 
`465' or 587'
  (setq smtpmail-debug-info t);
   (setq smtpmail-debug-verb t);


The last line helped me as follows:

When I tried to send mail by  typing C-c C-c

the *Messages* buffer told me simply that sending failed, smtp
protocol error

But the trace of smtp session told me that:
Starttls has to be started. (This additional info appears after the
last line in the "smtp-stuff is included)

So I checked that starttls had indeed been succesfully installed 5
minutes earlier by doing 
`which starttls'  . Then I ran a shell command starttls in the
minibuffer and did C-c C-c again. No joy! I have  a feeling that
another line of lisp code is needed to start starttls. 

Can you figure out what I am doing wrong?

Cheers.
Kalyan
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Re: [Oralux] Googlemail and VM

[Kalyan Mukherjea]

Hi Lucas,
One more question:

I have put the new versions of sendmail and smtpmail in their
appropriate places after byte-compilingthem.

Couldn't quite figure out where netrc.elc ought to go!

Cheers.
Kalyan
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Re: [Oralux] Googlemail and VM

[Kalyan Mukherjea]

Hi Lucas,
I just replied to your letter on the Oralux list but I it says `Hi
Roman'
He has also been trying to help me. Sorry about this mistake.

Cheers.
Kalyan
Roman (Zalecki)
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Re: [Oralux] Googlemail and VM

[Kalyan Mukherjea]

Hi Roman,
You had sent me the files 
sendmail.el smtpmail.el netrc.el
as a tar gzipped archive, so you don't have to send it again.

I have one question concerning your smtpmail settings.

You have  set 
(setq smtpmail-smtp-service 25)

But on the gmail webpage they say that mail should be sent to either
of the ports
465 or 587.

I have it set to 587.
I installed starttls, but when I try sending mail usingsmtpmail I get
the message 
"TLS must be started before"

Note this appears  only if 
the following is set:

(setq smtpmail-debug-verb t);

I guess I'll have to learn what starttls actually does.

Incidentally, what version of VM are you using? I am using vm-7.11. I
am told that this causes a problem, because this version assumes
stunnel-3 whereas Fedora Core 3 comes with stunnel-4 and this version
has a totally different syntax from stunnel-3. On Debian
installations, this does not matter since the stunnel-4 comes with a
wrapper for compatibility with stunnel-3.  But anyway getting my mail
can be done using fetchmail. The real headache is sending mail!

Thanks for your patience and help.

Cheers.
Kalyan

PS: There are a few mail hosts which accept my mails, Oralux being
one. That is why I can write to you. My posts to the Emacspeak list
never appear!

 
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Hi Roman,
Thanks for your .fetchmailrc files. They were very useful.

How do you send mail through gmail.

I struggled all of yesterday to noavail.

Ccheers.

Kalyan
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[Oralux] Googlemail and VM

[Kalyan Mukherjea]

Hi Roman,
I tried out your suggestion although the VM info document specifically
asks that this variable be set. But commenting it out means that
whenever I type `g' to retrieve mail there is a warning bee,p, doing
C-e a makes Emacspeak repeat the last message:
Searching for program no such  file or directory stunnel.
  So your suggestion fails with VM. I'll try out using fetchmail
  tomorrow:I have been working on the PC for 4 hours and will
  probably make mistakes if I try configuring fetchmail now! 

To send mail to google you have to use smtpmail. I am attaching the
html documentation of this program in my letter. This also involves
other security-related additions which I haven't yet tried. If you get
things working I'd like to know.

Thanks and cheers.

Kalyan

Title: Emacs SMTP Library



Emacs SMTP Library

Table of Contents

Emacs SMTP Library
1 How Mail Works
2 Emacs Speaks SMTP
3 Authentication
4 Queued delivery
5 Server workarounds
6 Debugging
7 Index

7.1 Concept Index
7.2 Function and Variable Index








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How Mail Works: 	Brief introduction to mail concepts. 
Emacs Speaks SMTP:How to use the SMTP library in Emacs. 
Authentication: 	Authenticating yourself to the server. 
Queued delivery: 	Sending mail without an internet connection. 
Server workarounds: 	Mail servers with special requirements. 
Debugging: 		Tracking down problems.


Indices



Index: 		Index over variables and functions. 




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1 How Mail Works

   On the internet, mail is sent from mail host to mail host using the
simple mail transfer protocol (SMTP).  To send and receive mail, you
must get it from and send it to a mail host.  Every mail host runs a
mail transfer agent (MTA) such as Exim that accepts mails and passes
them on.  The communication between a mail host and other clients does
not necessarily involve SMTP, however.  Here is short overview of what
is involved.

  The mail program — also called a mail user agent (MUA) —
usually sends outgoing mail to a mail host.  When your computer is
permanently connected to the internet, it might even be a mail host
itself.  In this case, the MUA will pipe mail to the
/usr/lib/sendmail application.  It will take care of your mail
and pass it on to the next mail host.

  When you are only connected to the internet from time to time, your
internet service provider (ISP) has probably told you which mail host
to use.  You must configure your MUA to use that mail host.  Since you
are reading this manual, you probably want to configure Emacs to use
SMTP to send mail to that mail host.  More on that in the next
section.

  Things are different when reading mail.  The mail host responsible
for your mail keeps it in a file somewhere.  The messages get into the
file by way of a mail delivery agent (MDA) such as procmail.  These
delivery agents often allow you to filter and munge your mails before
you get to see it.  When your computer is that mail host, this file is
called a spool, and sometimes located in the directory
/var/spool/mail/.  All your MUA has to do is read mail from the
spool, then.

  When your computer is not always connected to the internet, you
must get the mail from the remote mail host using a protocol such as
POP3 or IMAP.  POP3 essentially downloads all your mail from the mail
host to your computer.  The mail is stored in some file on your
computer, and again, all your MUA has to do is read mail from the
spool.

   When you read mail from various machines, downloading mail from the
mail host to your current machine is not convenient.  In that case,
you will probably want to use the IMAP protocol.  Your mail is kept on
the mail host, and you can read it while you are connected via IMAP to
the mail host.

  So how does reading mail via the web work, you ask.  In that case,
the web interface just allows you to remote-control a MUA on the web
host.  Whether the web host is

[Oralux] corrections to my earlier post.

[Kalyan Mukherjea]

There were a few careless errors in my post on VM ang
`googlemailing'. The corrected version is given below, SORRY for the
mistakes.
Hello,
Does anybody on the list use googlemail, with Emacspeak on a Fedora 3
installation of linux.

I am unable to access or deliver  mail from gmail.com.

I have set the following for accessing the email in my .vm file:

(setq vm-stunnel-program "/usr/sbin/stunnel")
(setq vm-spool-files
'(("pop-ssl:pop.gmail.com:995:pass:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:mypasswd")))

But when I open VM and press `g' to fetch my mail, things seem to
hang.
If I press C-g and quit VM, I can visit the "Trace of pop session"
which looks as  follows:

starting POP over SSL session Tue Jan 24 16:24:39 2006
connecting to pop.gmail.com:995
connected
2006.01.24 16:24:39 LOG3[6390:3086399168]: -R: No such file or directory (2)
 
Syntax:
stunnel [filename] | -fd [n] | -help | -version | -sockets
filename- use specified config file instead of /etc/stunnel/stunnel.conf
-fd n   - read the config file from specified file descriptor
-help   - get config file help
-version- display version and defaults
-sockets- display default socket options

Process POP over SSL exited abnormally with code 1


What is happening ? which is the file that is missing?

Could anybody give a hint or two?

Sending mail also seems difficult; but I have not yet gotten down to
it seriously so that will probably be subject of a later post.

TIA.
Cheers.

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[Oralux] using VM and Emacspeak with googlemail

[Kalyan Mukherjea]

Hello,
Does anybody on the list use googlemail, with Emacspeak on a Fedora 3
installation of linux.

I am unable to access or deliver  mail from gmail.com.

I have set the following for accessing the email in my .vm file:

(setq vm-stunnel-program "/usr/sbin/stunnel")
(setq vm-spool-files
'(("pop-sl:pop.gmail.com:995:pass:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:mypasswd"

But when I open VM and press `g' to fetch my mail, things seem to
hang.
If I press C-g and quit VM, I can visit the "Trace of pop session"
which looks as  follows:

starting POP over SSL session Tue Jan 24 16:24:39 2006
connecting to pop.gmail.com:995
connected
2006.01.24 16:24:39 LOG3[6390:3086399168]: -R: No such file or directory (2)
 
Syntax:
stunnel [filename] | -fd [n] | -help | -version | -sockets
filename- use specified config file instead of /etc/stunnel/stunnel.conf
-fd n   - read the config file from specified file descriptor
-help   - get config file help
-version- display version and defaults
-sockets- display default socket options

Process POP over SSL exited abnormally with code 1


What is happening ? which is the file that is missing?

Could anybody give a hint or two?

Sending mail also seems difficult; but I have not yet gotten down to
it seriously so that will probably be subject of a later post.

TIA.
Cheers.

Kalyan 
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Re: [Oralux] instant messaging + Emacspeak 23.0 patch

[Kalyan Mukherjea]

Hi Sergei,
You had written as part of your instruction for applying the patch :

4. cd to emacspeak source directory which for the current version is
   emacspeak-23.555


Well I just now downloaded from the Japanese mirror of
sourceforge.net, the tarball

 emacspeak-23.0.tar.bz2.

Unpacking, the  tarball I find that the Makefile is in the directory
emacspeak-23.505.

It appears that I am getting the wrong source directory!

Did you by chance make an error in typing your instructions or have I
downloaded the wrong tarball?

Cheers.
Kalyan 
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Hello Sergei,
The very detailed description of what to do to apply the patch for
linearizing tables in w3m was simply great!
Thanks a million. One silly question: you say `download the patch';
what is the URL?

Merry Christmas to you and all others in the list.
Kalyan
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Re: [Oralux] instalation de linux

[Kalyan Mukherjea]

Hello Gilles,
  For the last few days I have noticed that though your replies in
  French start with
"English translation follows ***" the actual English version is not
  there/ 
Cheers.
Kalyan
Gilles Casse writes:
 > *** The English translation follows the three asterisks (*) characters
 > Bonjour Florent,
 > 
 > Le nouveau lecteur de CDROM ne devrait pas poser de soucis.
 > 
 > Si vous souhaitez profiter de la version 0.6 pour découvrir Emacspeak,
 > il faudra le sélectionner dans le menu audio (à la question: quel
 > bureau souhaitez vous).
 > 
 > Une fois Emacspeak lancé, un document de présentation s'affiche.
 > Il donne quelques info, les premiers raccourcis et des liens sur
 > d'autres documents inclus dans Oralux.
 > 
 > Un autre environnement, Yasr est également disponible. Il sera
 > completé dans les versions à venir.
 > 
 > A+
 > 
 > Gilles
 > 
 > ***
 > Answer to Florent a newcomer.
 > 
 > Gilles
 > 
 > 
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Re: [Oralux] Problem with VM and Emacspeak

[Kalyan Mukherjea]

Hello Gilles,
  Thanks very much for putting vm-w3m.el inn the oralux  site. I
  have downloaded it.

I did not realize that Doug had written to me personally rather than
on the list.

His suggestion was simple:

If emacspeak announces
`Application html, click mouse 2 to display'

then type `w' and write the message to a html file, say letter.html.

Now open a shell and do 
> file letter.html

If the file is, indeed, an html document then open it in w3m (M-x
w3m-find-file letter.html).

It works nicely.

Thanks again for your help 
Cheers.
Kalyan
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[Kalyan Mukherjea]

Hello Gilles, 
Unfortunately I am not using Debian but Fedora. Is it just a matter of
getting the file, putting it in the load-path and loading it at
start-up? Or does w3m or vm have to be built with this file?

As a (temporary ) workaround, I found Doug's suggestion quite
satisfactory, but obviously it would be better to use the remedy you
proposed. 

Thanks again,
Cheers,
Kalyan
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[Oralux] Problem with VM and Emacspeak

[Kalyan Mukherjea]

Hello,
One small question concerning the use of VM with Emacspeak.

A lot of people (including my ISP) send email using html encoding: the
influence of Outlook Express, I suppose

Since I am blind as soon as a message is displayed selected  in a
folder, I type M-1 C-e b: Read rest of buffer. 
A mail in text  format is read out; but for html mail, Emacspeak says
click mouse-2 to display message. Pressing RET which is equivalent to
this, opens mozilla with the message: which is not very helpful. I
would like to add a line in my .vm file so that the message is opened
using emacs-w3m instead because this is speech-enabled under
Emacspeak. 

Any suggestions?

TIA.

Kalyan
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[Oralux] comedy routine for the 21st century, what do you think of this?

[Kalyan Mukherjea]

Hello everybody,
  I *did* do something silly yesterday. I tried to run mplayer from
  an emacspeak shell buffer!
Once I ran mplayer support.mp3 from an xterm I almost fell off my chair
  laughing!

Thanks Doug! I have been mailing this link to a very large number of
people: mainly Windows enthusiasts!

Cheers.
Kalyan
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[Oralux] comedy routine for the 21st century, what do you think of this?

[Kalyan Mukherjea]

Hi Doug,

I did :

wget  http://users.myexcel.com/lulu1777/songs/support.mp3
and got myself the following file:

-rw-rw-r--  1 kalyanm kalyanm 1019844 Jul  8  2004 support.mp3


Then I did :
Mplayer support.mp3

and for a long time nothing happenned and then I heard:
% spoken in groups many times. Finally I decided this WAS the joke! Or
have I done something really stupid?

Cheers.
Kalyan
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[Oralux] Gnome Question continued

[Kalyan Mukherjea]

Hi Terrance,
The mode in which your system starts is determined by /etc/inittab.

I am attaching my inittab file. Everything is commented out except for
the last line 

id:3: initdefault

This should help you in getting your system starting in console mode. Do
NOT use my inittab file blindly (pun intended)!  Look at your
/etc/inittab, keep a  copy somewhere else and then edit so that it opens
without X running.

HTH,
Kalyan
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[Oralux] Gnome Question continued

[Kalyan Mukherjea]

Hi Terrance, 
My computer is set up to start in terminal mode, runlevel 3? Anyway, the
login prompt comes on a black screen, after I have entered my username
and password, I get a prompt of the form

[EMAIL PROTECTED] $ 

I type startx and press RET to start X.

I think you have your linux box set up for  a GUI mode login, which
probably means X is already running. You could try, after logging in to
quit X by using Ctrl + Alt + Backspace. If you can quit X without going
into a  situation, you could issue the  command startx and see what
happens. 

Do you  have a .profile file in your home directory? If so look at the
bottom of the file and comment out the line 
startx. This might help but frankly someone who is 
familiar with Oralux running from a hard disk would probably be in a
better position to give you the help you need.
Cheers.
Kalyan
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Re: [Oralux] Getting emacspeak to start in gnome

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The script should be in your home directory "~/" and should have the
name .xinitrc.
Cheers.
Kalyan
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Re: [Oralux] Getting emacspeak to start in gnome

[Kalyan Mukherjea]

No Terrance! I use VM not pine: the blame is entirely mine.
Apologetically yours,
Kalyan
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[Oralux] Getting emacspeak to start in gnome

[Kalyan Mukherjea]

OOPS! I forgot to include (C-x i) my .xinitrc file. Here it is:
=
#!/bin/sh
xrdb -load .Xdefaults
 emacspeak &
exec gnome-session
===

Sorry about the earlier carelessness!
K.
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[Oralux] Getting emacspeak to start in gnome

[Kalyan Mukherjea]

Hello terrance,

I am putting my .xinitrc file between = signs.
Please note that I run a Fedora Core 3 linux box with no hint of
Oralux anywhere. So use my script only after a "guru" like Gilles or
Doug, say it is  safe to do so.
Cheers.
Kalyan
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[Oralux] VM and gnome

[Kalyan Mukherjea]

Hi Terrance,
If you can get gnome running, put in an Emacspeak icon. Clicking on this
will give you Emacspeak from which you can run shell (M-x `shell' RET)
or a root shell (C-e C-r) or a terminal (M-x term); the last is not
recommended for really visually challenged people since Emacspeak
doesn't work too well in this situation.

I use gnome though not Oralux and my .xinitrc launches X windows with
gnome as window manager and emacspeak running. I do have the doggy icon
on the desktop anyway for the very rare occasion when I've gotten myself
into a tangle and have to quit emacs. I prefer this to shutting down X
by doing Ctrl-Alt-Backspace, because if I quit emacs files are
auto-saved and can be recovered.
HTH,
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[Oralux] Wish list

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Hi Doug,
   I meant some software which can play "streaming audio" like   radio
   broadcasts.  Raman mentioned the audio player from Real Time
   Audio. So I said rtplayer; perhaps Greer is correct and I should have
   said realplayer.

What is mplayer.? Could you give me an URL from where I can download
it. 

Thanks for your interest.
Cheers.
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[Oralux] Wish list

[Kalyan Mukherjea]

Hello everybody,
I wonder if there are plans to incorporate a free version of
Real Time Audio player for future versions of Oralux. 

Listening to good radio broadcasts like BBC or the National
Public Radio network would be a very rewarding experience for
blind or visually challenged persons. Of course, I don't know
if w3m can be used to listen to radio on the Internet. 

I noticed that Emacspeak has a folder of links to BBC's
archives of radio plays (Douglas Adams' "Hitchhiker' Guide"
amongst them.)  So marrying Emacspeak-w3m to RTplayer should
not be a major challenge for the developers of Oralux. Or am I
being utterly unrealistic? Sorry if this is the case.

Cheers.
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[Oralux] .emacs file not being read

[Kalyan Mukherjea]

Try doing M-x load-file Return
and then type in .emacs

Depending on the script which you use to launch emacspeak it might be
launching emacs with a -q option.

HTH
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Re: [Oralux] not a reply,

[Kalyan Mukherjea]

Hi Tarrance,
   Your instructions for building were:

cd emacspeak-22.0
make
make config
make install

I haven't built version 22  but if I recall correctly one did 
make config 
and then
make
make install

Sorry if this is an irrelevant  interruption.

Cheers.
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[Oralux] Screen terminal lines overlapping and Emacspeak

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HelloTerrence,
flite is a TTS; it is a short form of `festival lite' the last word
spelt so that there is no confusion with `flight'. You will need a
emacspeak/speech  server: the usual one is eflite. 
HTH
Kalyan

Terrence van Ettinger writes:
 >  I'm using Yasr because getting emacspeak back up and running 
 > seems so darn convaluted and is driving me up the wall.  Anyway, I have 
 > Screen going, and for some reason, the lines of the screen seem to overlap 
 > and/or fold on top of each other.  Does anyone know what's up with that? 
 > Also, does anyone know of a down to earth, 
 > setting-up-emacspeak-for-dummies `-) sort of guide to getting Emacspeak to 
 > work.  What is the name of the TTS if I want to use Flite?  If I'm 
 > building from source, how do I tell it what TTS to use, since it doesn't 
 > seem to have that nice little config menu the Debian version has?
 > 
 > Thanks,
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[Oralux] Text and links with w3m.

[Kalyan Mukherjea]

Hello Jim,
I use w3m with Emacspeak though not always  under Oralux So take my
suggestions with a bit of caution:

1: I usually navigate in a w3m buffer using the arrow keys: emacspeak
talks just fine except when I get the cursor/point on a link. At this
point .emacspeak starts reading out "http:www.blah-blah-blah". If I am
not sure what was actually supposed to be seen by a sighted individual
I press C-e l so that the line is read out. I believe you can change
this behaviour by customizing w3m mode but cannot recall the variable
to change.

HTH.

Cheers.
Kalyan



Jim Green writes:
 > 
 > 
 > Hi Folks,
 > 
 > I'm trying to use w3m.  When I get on a web site and start moving
 > through it using C-n and C-p, is there a way to know when I'm on
 > a link?  If I tab through links, is there a way to see the text
 > that shows where the link goes?  Can you toggle back and forth
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Re: [Oralux] Audio theme

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Gilles Casse writes:
 > Hello,
 > 
 > This is good to read that the word peaceful suggests to you wind
 > chimes!


Hello Gilles,
Knowing little or nothing about Western classical music, I feel very
nervous about posting suggestions on this topic. But I recall that 30
yers ago when I left the States, a colleague gave me a set of records of
Mozart's lesser known works. Among them were a few pieces written by
Mozart for a maker of musical clocks. I have lost these records, but
perhaps somebody on the list can dig it out; they'd be probably not be
in the copyright domain and so usable for Oralux.

Another issue concerning "auditory icons": on the Emacspeak list I was
told that they can be used with a software synthesizer like flite only
if the sound card has multichannel capabilities. Will the Oralux icons
be subject to the same restrictions?

Cheers.
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[Oralux] Mime decoding in VM

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Hi Terrence,
   Another thought occurs: did you build vm from sources? The Makefile
   offers various alternatives. If you did not choose make all then the
   stuff for decoding base 64 probably won't be compiled and installed.
HTH.
Cheers.
Kalyan
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[Oralux] Mime decoding in VM

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I don't really know what might be wrong because I use VM and send
zipped latex files as attachments almost every day between home and
office. The only problem I faced after an upgrade of VM was that when
pressing return with point on the attachment, I'd  get a beep from the
speaker and no file would appear. Pressing C-e a
(emacspeak-repeat-last-message):  solved the problem 
I needed to create a subdirectory `attachments' under ~/Mail. Which
version of vm are you using? 
Perhaps it is something equally simple that is the matter with
your set-up.

Cheers.
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Re: [Oralux] Dec-Talk--and-Oralux?

[Kalyan Mukherjea]

Hello Sergei,
  Sorry about the 24 hour delay in my response. (A mild attack of
  'flu, hopefully of a non-avian variety!)

You wrote:

 > Kalyan, I am not quite sure wich distro you're using. But if you are
 > using Debian, you can dowload all the necessary stuff from the
 > debian-packages directory on that server. 

I am using Fedora Core 3; I suppose that I will have to compile from source.
 
Thanks.
Kalyan 
 
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Re: [Oralux] Dec-Talk--and-Oralux?

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Hello Gilles,
You are too kind! I am not in any hurry; but I'd like to try my luck
with the script you have ready at hand. Send it to me off-list at this
address.

Thanks in advance.
Cheers.
Kalyan

Gilles Casse writes:
 > Hello Kalyan,
 > 
 > I would be glad to give a step by step sequence to install
 > multispeech, softspeech, mbrola. However at the moment, I am a little
 > bit busy with the forthcoming releases. 
 > 
 > I could also send you the script which installs Multispeech in
 > Oralux. 
 > This is what I did a few weeks ago when a person required more info
 > about Multispeech. But the script would probably be confusing since it
 > concerns our context. 
 > 
 > So I hope that a lister will be available to answer your
 > post. Otherwise, after the two releases in May, I guess to have more
 > free time. 
 > 
 > Regards,
 > 
 > Gilles
 > 
 > 
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Gilles Casse writes:
Hello Gilles,
Thanks for the URL. You wrote:
 
 > 
 > Multispeech in English is based on Softspeech and MBROLA. 
 > The Multispeech server for Emacspeak 21 is proposed as a patch at the
 > moment. 
 
I have very limited experience of trying to get patches to existing
software to work. The only time I did this I succeeded in installing a
patched version of xpdf with reverse video capability, was because the
author (Derek Noonberg) was extremely generous and patient with me. I
hope Multispeech will not be as difficult to get going. 
> The packages are available at:
 > ftp://ftp.rakurs.spb.ru/pub/Goga 

I visited the archive using w3m mode in Emacspeak.

Do I download all the files in all the directories? Is there a way to do
this other than downloading each file individually? The fact that most
files are in zip format suggests it is Windows based. I hope my zip
utility will succeed in extracting these.

Thanks once again,
Cheers.
Kalyan
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[Oralux] Voice lock?

[Kalyan Mukherjea]

Hello Nigel,
You asked :
...  what is voice lock?

In Emacspeak, if the synthesiser has multiple voices, there is a
built-in mechanism for using distinct voices for different
contexts. For example, while reading email using VM, the header lines
(To, From, Subject, Date etc) are read in one voice, the actual text
in another.

There is a mechanism for using different fonts for different contexts
in Emacs, for example in my customization file, comments in code (lisp
etc) are italicised. This is called font-locking. Voice lock is TV
Raman's auditory equivalent for the "Complete Audio Desktop".

HTH.

Cheers.
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Re: [Oralux] Dec-Talk--and-Oralux?

[Kalyan Mukherjea]

Hello Gilles,
You wrote:

Just a note for all, Igor B. Poretsky in the recent Multispeech update
for Emacspeak 21, proposes several voices, among several other enhancements.
His excellent work gives another possibility to appreciate the
Emacspeak voice lock mode.

i just did a google on multispeech. From the first url that was featured
it seems that  it is a Windows based system, later on there is a link to
some kind of Debian archive of posts. 


I do not wish to get involved with a hardware synth since that would
increase my dependence on others --- I cannot move around without help
and have only one hand. I would certainly like to have a softwware synth
with voice-lock capacity when used in conjunction with Emacspeak. Could
you send me a URL which will give info siitable for a linux user like
myself.

Thanks in advance.
Cheers.
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[Oralux] Multiple E-mail Accounts in VM

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Hello Terrance,

In the spool files section of the vm info manual there is a nice
example given, I used it with local changes quite smoothly.
Cheers.
Kalyan

Terrence van Ettinger writes:
 > Hello, all,
 >  I brought this up with Pine, but I don't remember dealing with
 > it in VM.  Is there a method for having multiple e-mail accounts
 > checked in VM?  I'd like to have a few different e-mail accounts
 > going, and I'd *like* to use VM for them all.
 > 
 > Thanks,
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[Oralux] what do I do?

[Kalyan Mukherjea]

Hello Gilles,
I just now got several emails from 0spam.com. I am not supposed to
reply to these. When I clicked on the link (actually press F5 whichis
bound to w3m-browse-url  via a line in my .emacs) I got to  site where
I was told to type the number I see in the "box below" !  There was
also an announcement "if you are blind click here" I tookadvantage of
the 2% remaining visual field I still have to do this. This went to a
site which asked me to confirm the address to which I wanted the mail
sent. I have the oralux address in my .mailrc file with oralux as
alias and so could not supply the address. Also I had written to Doug
Smith outside the list with the subject "Googling with Emacspeak" , so
maybe that is the address that I should have given. 

Sorry to take up the list's time and resource on this natter. But I do
value the correspondence I read on this list and would not like this
to cease.

Cheers.
Kalyan

PS: If indeed I am sending or seeming to send spam or virus laden
posts, a line to me directly with advice on what can be done would be
gratefully received.

K.
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[Oralux] Googling using Emacspeak

[Kalyan Mukherjea]

Hello Doug,
I am really surprised by the amount of responses my post has evoked,
Yours is, by far, the most detailed and well thought out. It is a pity
that I don't know any computer languages and so am not in a position
to offer any assistance in any of your four proposals.

But Gilles short post this morning gives me some hope of better times
in the offing. Thanks again for paying attention to what are really
the frustrated natterings of a semi-retired mathematician.

Cheers.
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Re: [Oralux] Googling using Emacspeak

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Hello Gilles,
  Thanks for the very useful hints on how to stop emacspeak from
  speaking out the URL under each link. Also I feel reassured when I
  hear an expert like Doug Smith or yourself agreeing that using
  emacspeak to browse the web is quite frustrating. TVR's account
  is misleadingly optimistic.
Cheers.
Kalyan
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[Oralux] Googling using Emacspeak

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Many thanks for the help. Sure, M-x w3m and then S asks for the search
item. I'll illustrate with my latest attempt at locating a download
for yassr:

I am taken to a page with search results for `yassr + speech
synthesizer' and now the fun...

If I press TAB the cursor goes to the nearest link probably some
google site and emacspeak starts reciting the URL to which the link is
pointing. A better solution is to do arrow down. Now emacspeak reads
each line and if it starts saying 
"http://www.etc"; I press C-e l and the line is read out.  This
afternoon everything seemed to lead to a Yasser who works on Arabic
speech technology! Google or indeed most web pages are intensely
distracting for an Emacspeaker. Reading a New York Times editorial
might sound like

"Mr. Bush's ne spacer
 adminstrative assistant links to 
needs to streamline advertisement ..."

I have typed a new line for each timw I might press the down arrow.

Only in a very well written and non-commercial site can one actually
press C-e b and listen to the buffer.
The emacswiki pages is one such example.
  
I am not complaining --- it is possible that I have not yet learnt to
use emacspeak in the most efficient way possible. But that seems an
unachievable target 
 for sonwine who cannot read the thousands of .el files TVR has
written  and treat it as documentation. 
This list is one of the best places for a blind person to get helpful
tips.

Cheers.
Kalyan

PS: It occurs to me that my set-up might be broken! Trying to do C-s
in a w3m buffer very seldom works. One is taken to the extreme right
of the page only by pressing `r' can one get back the view of the page
--- but then onw is back to the top!


Gilles Casse writes:
 > *** La traduction en français se trouve après les 3 astérisques (*)
 > Hello Kalyan and all,
 > 
 > Could you please elaborate, Kalyan, on your point concerning Emacspeak
 > and Google? Which are the inefficiencies you mntionned? Thanks.
 > 
 > Besides it, I supply below a few details which could interest new
 > listers.
 > 
 > Using text-mode, I met issues with the commercial web sites, the ones
 > which exclusively rely on Javascript. 
 > The situation is usually quite better to get information about a
 > GNU/Linux software: firstly because the doc is available in html or raw 
 > text. 
 > 
 > To download the gocr software under Debian and so Oralux installed on
 > hard disk, this can be as easy as typing:
 > apt-get install gocr
 > 
 > As you know, the w3m and w3 browsers are available on Emacspeak.
 > As an example, here are 3 steps to google about gocr using w3m on Emacspeak:
 > * Firstly call w3m:
 > M-x w3m 
 > 
 > * Then type s as search
 > s
 > 
 > * The minibuffer is awaiting for the keywords. So, type:
 > gocr RETURN
 > 
 > The google results appears.
 > 
 > Cheers
 > Gilles 
 > 
 > ***
 > Bonjour,
 > 
 > Ce post concerne Google et Emacspeak.
 > Si ce sujet se développe, j'essaierai d'en faire un résumé en
 > français.
 > 
 > Voici quelques commandes pour lancer google via Emacspeak et w3m :
 > 
 > * Lancer w3m:
 > M-x w3m
 > 
 > * Puis taper s comme 'search'
 > s
 > 
 > * Le minibuffer attend alors les mots clé à rechercher. Taper par
 > exemple:
 > gocr RETURN
 > 
 > La page de résultats de Google concernant gocr apparait.
 > 
 > A+
 > Gilles
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Hello Terrence,
Thanks for your letter. I am sorry for the vagueness of my question: I
was recently `bequeathed' a hp scanner and am trying to see if I can
set it up for use with Emacspeak. (I am legally blind.) What you have
already written is very helpful, but could you send me an URL from
where I can download gocr. It is not on the Fedora Core 2 discs and my
google searching is inefficient because of my dependence on Emacspeak.

Thanks once again,
Kalyan

Terrence van Ettinger writes:
 > Kalyan,
 >  I'm not sure what info page or url you'd want to use for that,
 > but I do know the command for document scanning in emacspeak is C-e C-o,
 > or M-x emacspeak-ocr.  You need to have sane installed, and you also
 > need an OCR program; the one I use is gocr.  If you have any other
 > questions, feel free to ask.
 > 
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Hello Torrance,
  I was interested in seeing that you are changing scanner options
  for Emacspeak using the `Customize] facility. I haven't got as far
  as getting to know how to get Emacspeak to read scanned
  documents. Could you guide me with a URL or section in the
  Emacspeak info file as to how to get scanned documents read out by
  E'speak.

TIA.
Kalyan
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[Oralux] Info.

[Kalyan Mukherjea]

Hello Jim,
Try C-h i and when the directory node of the info comes up instead of
pressing SPC to move down, do an incremental search C-s  on ispell or
whatever you want.

HTH.
Kalyan
Jim Green writes:
 > 
 > 
 > Hi Folks,
 > 
 > It's getting better, but the Info pages and I are still having
 > problems.  I can find no Info pages on Ispell or W3M, either from
 > the intro page, or the first Emacs Info page.  I assume that when
 > I try a menu search and it goes nowhere when I hit return, that
 > no Info page exists on that topic.  I find that hard to believe.
 > Suggestions?
 > 
 > Jim
 > 
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[Oralux] End of buffer.

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Hi Jim,
M-> moves to end of buffer, M-< moves to beginning of buffer.
HTH.
Cheers.
Kalyan
Jim Green writes:
 > 
 > 
 > Hi Folks,
 > 
 > This should be an easy one.  In filename"emacs_en.txt"  My  first
 > steps in GNU/Emacs. By Sylvie Xhaard, it says:
 > 
 > Alt- Moves to the end of the buffer.  --
 > 
 > In downloading this, my system didn't tell me Alt- what?  Thanks.
 > 
 > Jim
 > 
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Re: [Oralux] I spell, you spell, we all spell

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Hello Nigel,

I am now typing "believe" and then I'll take the cursor/point to the `b'
and do M-x ispell-word to check the spelling.. What I got was a split
buffer, the one on top showed the choices (this is Emacs behaviour):
It looked like:
(0) believe (1) believed (3) believer (4) belove and several more
choices. As soon as I typed `0', the spelling was corrected and the
additional buffer disappeared. In the meanwhile Emacspeak was saying:
zero believe one believed etc. ...

I hope this explains the thing. Incidentally why didn't you just try it
out on the Emacspeak which comes with Oralux?

Cheers.
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Re: [Oralux] I spell, you spell, we all spell

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Hello Nigel,
The buffer splits anyway. If the limit is exceeded then Emacspeak simply
says "x alternatives are available" where x is some integer greater than
the limit you have set. In my LaTeX files I have things like "$m_{ijk}$
and, of course, ispell becomes highly creative in trying to find3 letter
words starting with`i' and gives 40 or so weird possibilitiies.
Actually I am trying to write down a variable `m' with 3 indices `i',
`j', `k' which index the variable.  So when I hear there are x
alternatives, I suspend spell-checking by doing C-g and then ask
Emacspeak to spell out the word. 

I hope this explains what I do --- not that it is going to be of much
use to very many people. 

Cheers.
Kalyan


Nigel writes:
 > What happens if it goes over the default?  Is that when you get a new 
 > buffer?
 > 
 > Thanks,
 > Nigel
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[Oralux] Multiple Pop accounts in Pine?

[Kalyan Mukherjea]

Hello Torrance, 
I have a dial-up connection and an ethernet connection to my wife's
computer from where she does wev-surfing, downloading my needs and our
son plays chess. The problem of having two Inboxes should be solvable
in vm, if that is your mail reader or perhaps you could do a useradd
and create a new identity with different defaults.. Sorry, this maybe
impossible on Oralux/Knoppix --- with which O am not very familliar.

Cheers.
Kalyan

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 >  Well, the Linksys ethernet card was detected with no trouble 
 > whatsoever, and I am now fully transfered over to the cable connection. 
 > However, I would still like to be able to check my olde-mail for the next 
 > month.  Can someone tell me if there is a way to support multiple inboxes, 
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Re: [Oralux] I spell, you spell, we all spell

[Kalyan Mukherjea]

Hello Gilles,
  Thanks very much. Most of the typing I do is mathematics using
  _UK_ English and so there are quite often 25 choices mostly
  having nothing to do with what I want. Setting this to a small
  value means that I just know there is an error and then get it
  spoken out. It is slow but works! 

Thanks again.
Cheers.
Kalyan
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[Oralux] I spell, you spell, we all spell

[Kalyan Mukherjea]

Hello Nigel,
  Are you using a hardware speech synthesizer? I use Emacspeak all
  the time (though not necessarily via Oralux) and my experience
  with Ispell is quite different from what seems to be yours or
  what the Emacspeak manual suggests.

The Emacspeak info document says:

The spell checking interface on the Emacspeak desktop is
speech-enabled to provide fluent auditory feedback.  The visual
interface parallels that described above and is provided by package
`ispell' which is part of the standard Emacs distribution.  Emacspeak
provides a spoken prompt that is composed of the line containing the
possibly erroneous word (which is aurally highlighted to set it apart
from the rest of the text on that line) and the available corrections.
Each correction is prefixed with a number that the user can use to
select it.  Once a correction is selected, the interaction continues
with the query and replace interaction described earlier.  The speech
interface to the spell checker is as fluent as the 

But when I run ispell and it finds an error,  the buffer splits in two
with the possible corrections on the upper part but these choices 
 are not spoken out. I discovered this quite recently --- till now  my
vision was not so bad and I would unconciously read the choices and
fill in the appropriate prefix.  I have a feeling this is caused by
one or both of two possible reasons:

1. I am using a software speech synthesizer: flite + eflite.

2. I am using a very old Emacspeak version, v.17.0

If you are getting spellings read out by emacspeak even with a
software synth. then clearly an upgrade should take care of my problem. 
 Incidentally, emacspeak has a command for reading out the
last message again:
C-e A  is bound to the function "emacspeak-appt-repeat-announcement" ,
though I am not sure it would do what you want.

Cheers.
Kalyan

Nigel writes:
 > 
 > A package called I spell is included with Emacs in Oralux.  I have suggested 
 > a key to reread the last item that was read.  So if you listened to the 
 > spelling choices and were still not sure which one to pick you could press a 
 > key and listen again.
 > 
 > This would also work for other keys like read line or sentance.
 > What do you all think?
 > 
 > Thanks,
 > Nigel 
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[Oralux] cdrecord

[Kalyan Mukherjea]

Hi Torrance,
   I would like to use cdrecord but find the man page rather difficult
   to fathom. The emacspeak distro comes with a file
   "entertainment.html" which gives the link to " an excellent HOWTO"
   but when I click on the link I am told that this is no longer
   supported. Could you give me a downloadable document which could
   get me started. Most of the people around me use a GUI-based
   program called xcdroaster; but I believe it is just a front-end for
   xcdroaster.  My vision is too feeble or GUI-based applications.

TIA.

Kalyan
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Re: [Oralux] Long lines.

[Kalyan Mukherjea]

Hi Nigel,
   Hmm, I just put in 80 as an arbitrary number. My .emacs sets it to
   5=72. I am not completely blind and as long as I use 18pt fonts
   under X windows, I can see the letters when I need to: like when I
   am trying to fix an error in a LaTeX file.  My feeling is that this
   is a parameter which is best chosen by individual  users. 

Not knowing how difficult this would be: 
The audio menu could ask the user for his preference. But this would
probably yield  an 

 uninformed response.
Cheers.
Kalyan Nigel writes:
 > Please can we make 80 characters the default length in a future version of 
 > Oralux.
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[Oralux] Long lines.

[Kalyan Mukherjea]

Hi Jim,
Whichever file you are working with, do 
C-u 80 C-x f RET.
>From this point on Emacs will break line (i.e. create a new line)
anytime you press the spacebar after 80 characters on any line.

You could also find more details by typing C-h k (describe key vbinding)
and then C-x f RET.

Hope this helps.
Kalyan

Jim Green writes:
 > 
 > 
 > Hi kalyan,
 > 
 > You wrote:
 > Then do C-u 80 C-x f.
 > At what point do I do this?  I assume I hit return afterward?  I
 > gave it a try in a buffer, but couldn't see any difference.
 > After I typed about six lines I did, C-p, and it took me back to
 > the first word in the paragraph.  When I do get it to work, does
 > it work only on that buffer, or for the whole session?  Thanks.
 > 
 > Jim
 > 
 > 
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[Oralux] Long lines.

[Kalyan Mukherjea]

Hello Jim,
  First decide on a reasonable number --- of characters, you would
  put in  each line (say 80). Then do C-u 80 C-x f. This will set
  "column-fill to 80. Anytime you have typed 80 characters on a
  line pressing SPC will automatically start a new line. 

In fact you could do this by putting a line in your .emacs file:

(setq default-major-mode 'text-mode)
(setq column-fill 72)

Hope this helps.
Cheers.
Kalyan


Jim Green writes:
 > 
 > 
 > Hi Folks,
 > 
 > Thanks Doug, for the advice on shutting down.  I've been trying
 > different things since I wrote and have found C-x C-c works a lot
 > better if I'm in the shell buffer.  So, another question.  Now
 > that I can work in Emacs, I write notes there.  When I try to
 > edit them, I hit C-p to go up a line and it takes me back to the
 > first line of the note.  Emacs is treating the paragraph as if it
 > is a single line.  I know this is great for programming, but it's
 > driving me nuts.  How do I switch back and forth between line
 > breaks, and continuous lines?  Thanks.
 > 
 > Jim
 > 
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Re: [Oralux] Yasr: menu

[Kalyan Mukherjea]

Hello Gilles,
This is in response to your licensing qustion:
 
 > About pine, the usual issues concern the licence.
 > As none of us is a lawyer, you may want to check firstly if pine is
 > already available in a major distro.

I am not a lawyer either, but I can tell you that pine comes with the
following distros of Linux: SuSE, Red Hat and now Fedora Core 2. However
a friend of mine who is very sensitive to licensing issues never uses
pine but prefers mutt.

Cheers.
Kalyan
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Re: [Oralux] How-to's.

[Kalyan Mukherjea]

Nigel writes:
 > What do you mean the spea suffic?
Oops! it should have been `peak' (Emacs+peak=Emacspeak).

Kalyan
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[Oralux] How-to's.

[Kalyan Mukherjea]

Hello Jim,
  Thanks for your post. Can you believe this ? i have been using
  Emacs for 5 years and didn't know about the wiki site. Partly
  this is because of m impaired vision I don't surf the web very
  much.

I use the w3m browser which works from inside emacs --- I use it with
the spea suffix. I had no trouble geting to  www.emacswiki.org and
then following the links therein. What browser do you use?

Cheers.
Kalyan
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[Oralux] Emacs-wik

[Kalyan Mukherjea]

I just received a mail from Raman (author of Emacspeak) concerning the
wiki site. I am pasting his letter: it might be helpful to some.

I've created a sub-category for emacspeak at the Emacs wiki site --
http://www.emacswiki.org/cgi-bin/wiki/SiteMap
under subcategory emacspeakTricks
http://www.emacswiki.org/cgi-bin/wiki/EmacspeakTricks

-- 
Best Regards,
--raman
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Re: [Oralux] Re: Email address (fwd)

[Kalyan Mukherjea]

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 > Hmm...I added that line, but for some reason, I still get the smtp 
 > protocol error.  The file is exactly as you posted.

Hello Torrance, 
  Ultimately the mail is delivered by sendmail and the file
/etc/sendmail.cf  determines things. I had a similar problem and a
friend helped --- essentially by fiddling with this file. Perhaps Doug
or Gilles will be able to help if you send them a copy of your
sendmail.cf file. 

Good luck.
Cheers.
Kalyan
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Re: [Oralux] Wvdial

[Kalyan Mukherjea]

No it won't. This is why Gilles suggested renaming the shell buffer in
order to be able to start a new shell buffer. You'll go back to the
buffer where you started wvdial; oops! I thought I was replying to a
follow-up question from Torrance. But I guess I have answered your
question.
Cheers.
Kalyan
Nigel Stoppard writes:
 > Just want to know,
 > but will entering alt x shell a second time start a new shell buffer?
 > 
 > Thanks,
 > Nigel
 > - Original Message - 
 > From: "Kalyan Mukherjea" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 > To: "Oralux mailing list" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 > Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2004 6:25 AM
 > Subject: [Oralux] Wvdial
 > 
 > 
 > > Hello Torrance,
 > > Open a shell in Emacs (M-x shell RETURN)
 > > Then give the command wvdial &
 > > When you have finished your work with the dial-up connection, go back
 > > to this shell buffer (you can do this by repeating M-x shell RETURN)
 > > now press RETURN you will be at a prompt. Give the command
 > > killall wvdial RETURN. Wvdial and all processes it might have started
 > > will get terminated. Now you can kill the shell buffer.
 > > Cheers.
 > > Kalyan
 > >
 > >
 > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 > > >  OK, this morning when I tried to disconnect the modem by killing
 > > > the buffer containing wvdial, it stayed connected somehow.  Is there any
 > > > other way to free the modem?
 > > >
 > > > Thanks,
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[Oralux] Wvdial

[Kalyan Mukherjea]

Hello Torrance,
Open a shell in Emacs (M-x shell RETURN)
Then give the command wvdial &
When you have finished your work with the dial-up connection, go back
to this shell buffer (you can do this by repeating M-x shell RETURN)
now press RETURN you will be at a prompt. Give the command
killall wvdial RETURN. Wvdial and all processes it might have started
will get terminated. Now you can kill the shell buffer.
Cheers.
Kalyan 


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 >  OK, this morning when I tried to disconnect the modem by killing 
 > the buffer containing wvdial, it stayed connected somehow.  Is there any 
 > other way to free the modem?
 > 
 > Thanks,
 > Terrence
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[Oralux] EMacs an ...

[Kalyan Mukherjea]

To read manuals, do M-x man RETURN then enter the topic e.g. emacs
RETURN you will have to wait a few seconds while emacs/peak brings up
the man page; you can move down by pressing the spacebar scroll up by
using backspace. Hope this helps.
Cheers.
Kalyan
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Re: [Oralux] Yahoo yet again

[Kalyan Mukherjea]

Hello David,
You asked:
"how do you log-off correctly?  Is C-c C-c the only way, or is there
> something more effective? "

You could try starting with ">wvdial &"

When you want to end the connection press RETURN and then give the
commaand "killall wvdial". This should terminate wvdial and all other
processes it may have spawned.
Cheers.
Kalyan
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Re: [Oralux] Emacs and term

[Kalyan Mukherjea]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

"  Now...to figure out how to set up my pop server 
on VM so I can use 
that instead of Pine"

I think last week Doug Smith put up the few lines you have to include
in your .vm file to do this. In case you missed it, here  it is once
again:
***
;; Directory where folders of mail are kept
(setq vm-folder-directory "~/Mail/")
(setq vm-primary-inbox "~/Mail/Inbox")
(setq vm-pop-max-message-size 1)
(setq vm-spool-files '("/var/spool/mail/kalyanm"
"cal.vsnl.net.in:110:pass:kalyanm:*"))
(setq mail-archive-file-name "~/Mail/outbox")
;;Set vm-mail-check-interval and vm-auto-get-new-mail to nil to
 ;;avoid the lockups. This, of course,
;;also means that you will not be notified of new mail, and new
;;mail will not be fetched automatically. 
(setq vm-auto-get-new-mail nil)

Of course, put in the appropriate ussername, password etc. instead of
mine.

Hope this helps.
Kalyan
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Re: [Oralux] Web browsing via Oralux

[Kalyan Mukherjea]

Gilles Casse writes:
 > French below ***
Hello Gilles,
  A little clarification would help.

My difficulty could be because I am using Emacspeak-17 rather than
20. This is what is delivered with Fedora Core 2. 


I tried downloading a pdf file from the net. In w3m mode I got to the
URL and pressed RETURN. What happenned is that after a few seconds xpdf
opened up with the file I wanted. No problem  I clicked the right
mouse button on the xpdf screen, then save as etc and I had the file
saved in my ~/.w3m directory. But suppose it was a tar.gz file? What
would happen. Now the emacs-w3m info file recommends that to download a
file one should take the point to the URL in the w3m buffer and press
`D'. This opens up what looks like a shell buffer with pwd being
~/.w3m. What is going on?

You further wrote:
 
   At the moment, to download a document whose URL is in the webpage, I prefer to copy 
the URL under w3m (in typing the y character once the cursor is upon the URL), then 
open a shell buffer, and write:
   wget C-y
   then RETURN
   Control y reinserts the previously copied url. 
   
When I type `y' on the URL in the w3m buffer,  I am told buffer is
read-only. 

Perhaps this is because I am using emacspeak-17. I am scared to use
version 2o necause it apparently uses an advanced tcl shell and I am not
sure that my present shell script would launch the new emacspeak.

Cheers.
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Re: [Oralux] Web browsing via Oralux

[Kalyan Mukherjea]

Hello Gilles,
  You have answered everything extremely succinctly and
  clearly. Thanks $10^6$! I assume that I don't have to get
  emacs-wget.el in order to use your recipe for downloading
  things. 

  It is a bit disappointing to know that flite does not support
  the voice lock features. How about festival? I had used it as a
  emacs "buffer reader" for a little while before starting on
  emacspeak. It had several voices  and some of them were UK
  English which is almost my  first language. Is there a way of
  using festival with Emacspeak? I have recently had a friend
  install Fedora Core 2 and I noticed that the rpm's included in
  the distro feature festival and gnopernicus. Will these become
  part of Oralux?

Pardon me if I seem to be pressurizing you for new features; I am not!
Actually I  am amazed at the speed at which things are progressing and
the careful and considerate manner in which you  handle this very
active list.

Cheers. 
Kalyan
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[Oralux] Web browsing via Oralux

[Kalyan Mukherjea]

Hello,
I would like to hear from people who have used the w3 or w3m browser
operating with Emacspeak to work on the web --- browsing or
downloading files from ftp sites etc. W3 is supposed to be better for
audio support but I find w3m easier to handle but it is designed for
use with Emacs and I am not sure it works with Emacspeak   in a
similar fashion. I realize this is somewhat off-topic: perhaps anyone
kind enough to reply can do it directly to me rather than occupy the
resources of the list.
TIA and cheers.
Kalyan
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[Oralux] At last!!!

[Kalyan Mukherjea]

This is a addendum  to Doug's letter. I am giving a snip from my .vm
file:
===
;; -*- Mode: Emacs-Lisp -*-
;;
;; Directory where folders of mail are kept
(setq vm-folder-directory "~/Mail/")
(setq vm-primary-inbox "~/Mail/Inbox")
;(setq vm-pop-max-message-size 1)
(setq vm-spool-files '("/var/spool/mail/kalyanm"
"cal.vsnl.net.in:110:pass:kalyanm:*"))
(setq mail-archive-file-name "~/Mail/outbox")
===
where you should replace my username "kalyanm" for yours, puy om yjr
mame of your POP3 server and (if you want) your password instead of
`*'. 

I found sending mail much more difficult to configure, maybe Doug has
ideas on that.
Good luck.
Cheers.
Kalyan
Doug Smith writes:
 > 
 > Good for you!  I am glad to hear that you got it installed.  Now, I
 > can answer a couple of those questions, but not all of them.  
 > 
 > First of all, I don't use YASR.  I find it too slow and difficult over
 > all to use except in very rare occasions.  I use emacspeak.  I have
 > set up a ~/.vm file so that I can use vm to retrieve from my POP3
 > account.  If you can get it to work, and this can be quite complex, it
 > is possible to use fetchmail.  If you can get it set up according to
 > the man page, it works great.  However, for reading mail, vm under
 > emacspeak is the best.  
 > 
 > Now, this is one of our big problems.  As of now, there is nothing in
 > the current release for scanning.  There is an OCR engine, called gocr
 > you can use if you can find a program for the actual scanner driver
 > operations.  Be careful, some scanners might not be supported.  This
 > is a concern I have.  I haven't set mine up for that reason yet.  You
 > might want to try sane.  It comes in two parts, as I understand it.
 > There is sane front-ends and sane back-ends.  I suppose you need
 > both.  
 > 
 > Now, the setting of the terminal or whatever is needed for that modem,
 > I don't understand what the change is you want to try to make.  When
 > you use wvdialconf to find and configure the modem, I find no further
 > difficulty.  If you can describe the difficulty you are having in more
 > detail, it might be possible to help with it.  
 > 
 > 
 > 
 > Hope this helps. 
 > 
 > -- 
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 > Computer Scientist For CHRIST!
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