Hi!
I just want to add another perspective on ³structures². It¹s about the
structures of oppression that is so hard to be aware of, especially if you
are looking from the angle of a privileged position. I think Marylin Frey, a
philosophy professor and feminist, describes it very well in this
of times. Something was
>>> definitely weird. It seemed to me that I had to re-consider all those
>>> things I thought I had learned, beginning with the basics... such things as
>>> Structure.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Common sense would say th
es” I “saw” existed only
> because I wanted to see them – or perhaps that I “should” see them. But they
> were only momentary wisps, figments – never to be mistaken for what was
> really going on. Or so I’ve been thinking.
>
> Harrison
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Hi Michael,
This is an inquiry that I enjoy and which I keep spinning around. It seems
crystal clear to me that the topic of tyranny has value and sheds light.
And it's also paradoxically true that the right/wrong victim/perpetrator
narrative disempowers and lays blame. It relieves
if I had proceded.
I don't know whether this issue is related to my email setup or OsList's.
Kind regards
Anne
To: oslist@lists.openspacetech.org
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2015 19:53:01 -0400
Subject: Re: [OSList] The T
Hi Anne,
The OSLIST messages are explicitly designed using a standard email
"structure" of a "reply-to" field that goes to the list and to the sender.
Most email programs use that field so when you hit reply it uses the
requested list of reply-to recipients.
This reply-to field is really only a
For what its worth, in my view the OSList does tyranny of structurelessness
at times. Not always, but at times.
I say "does" instead of "is", because saying it "is" has metaphysical
implications about the "self" or identity of this community and
red groups, which forms the basis for elites./
Daniel
On 10/6/15 10:04 AM, Harrison Owen wrote:
Dan, Google can often help.
https://www.google.com/#q=ralph+copleman
ho
*From:*OSList
[mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org] *On Behalf
luded in the story.
>>>
>>>
>>> Earlier, I express how not having the context tends to (for me) arouse
>>> feelings of: exclusion, cluelessness, and a general lack of membership in
>>> whatever "historic-OS-mythos-episode" is being referred to. Sort
into this email, but for all
the others I have tested (without actually pushing the 'send' button) I
notice that there is no OSList address.
Regards
Anne
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2015 03:34:11 -0600
Subject: Re: [OSList] The Tyranny of Structurelessness
From: har...@shinsato.com
To: anne_a_h
g> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Harrison,
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for the tips on how to search OSLIST and Google, etc. I did do
>>>> those things actually. However, that's a bit of an effort, especially
>>>> searching the OSLIST archives. I guess I could eventually p
wrote:
Dan, Google can often help.
<https://www.google.com/#q=ralph+copleman>https://www.google.com/#q=ralph+copleman
ho
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*On Behalf Of *Daniel Mezick via OSList
*Sent:* Monda
tions by the author are actually true? Do these
>> ideas have legs?
>>
>>- *This hegemony can be so easily established because the idea of
>>"structurelessness" does not prevent the formation of informal structures,
>>only formal ones.*
>>- *For eve
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*On Behalf Of *Daniel Mezick via OSList
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ists.openspacetech.org');>]
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Howdy Harrison,
Thanks for describing
Yes
On 10/7/15 1:41 AM, anne.bennett8ac via OSList wrote:
Yes
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To: Michael Herman , World wide Open Space Technology email list
Subject: Re: [OSList] The Tyranny
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Is this list a tyranny of structurelessness?
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Howdy Harrison,
Thanks for describing the context of the Ralph Copleman story- I'm
very thankful for that info.
I notice t
All
> Different. No Breath. Deep Breath...
>
> How’s that for weird?
>
> HO
>
> From: OSList [mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org] On Behalf Of
> Chris Corrigan via OSList
> Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2015 2:08 PM
> To: paul levy; World wide Open Space Te
arly in Unstructured groups, which
> forms the basis for elites.
>
> Daniel
>
> On 10/6/15 10:04 AM, Harrison Owen wrote:
>> Dan, Google can often help. https://www.google.com/#q=ralph+copleman
>> <https://www.google.com/#q=ralph+copleman>
>>
>>
>&
gt; Do you think these 3 assertions by the author are actually true? Do these
>> ideas have legs?
>> This hegemony can be so easily established because the idea of
>> "structurelessness" does not prevent the formation of informal structures,
>> only formal ones.
list
Subject: Re: [OSList] The Tyranny of Structurelessness
My exploration of the Tao te Ching over the years has left me with the
realization that structure and flow are co-arising: they come into being
together and exist and mutually influence each other. How I live my life,
shapes my body
njoy.
>>>
>>>
>>> Getting back to the Tyranny of Structurelessness:
>>>
>>> Do you think these 3 assertions by the author are actually true? Do
>>> these ideas have legs?
>>>
>>>- *This hegemony can be so easily establishe
>> not implicit. *
>>- *It is this informal structure, particularly in Unstructured
>>groups, which forms the basis for elites.*
>>
>>
>> Daniel
>>
>> On 10/6/15 10:04 AM, Harrison Owen wrote:
>>
>> Dan, Google can often help.
uot;laissez faire" society; the idea becomes a smokescreen
>>> for
>>>the strong or the lucky to establish unquestioned hegemony over others.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>- This hegemony can be so easily established because the idea of
>&
: [OSList] The Tyranny of Structurelessness
Howdy Harrison,
Thanks for describing the context of the Ralph Copleman story- I'm very
thankful for that info.
I notice that, lots of times here, there are references made to notable OST
episodes, and situations from times past...
...the "OST-m
> ho
>
>
>
> *From:* OSList [mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org');>] *On
> Behalf Of *Daniel Mezick via OSList
> *Sent:* Monday, October 05, 2015 4:51 PM
> *To:* Harrison Owen; World wi
ed it to work. That’s the way things get done, or so I
>> had been taught. But that’s not the way things happened in Open Space.
>> Structure emerged along the way and only momentarily. Worse yet it
>> (structure) seemed to have little to do with the obvious power,
>> conn
:* Saturday, October 03, 2015 6:31 PM
*To:* JL Walker; World wide Open Space Technology email list
*Subject:* Re: [OSList] The Tyranny of Structurelessness
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you remind me, harrison, of one morning news session years ago,
somewhere, probably OT... where ralph copleman walked to the center of
t
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*On Behalf Of *Michael Herman via OSList
*Sent:* Saturday, October 03, 2015 6:31 PM
*To:* JL Walker; World wide Open Space Technology email list
*Subject:* Re: [OSList] The Tyranny of Structurelessness
you remind me, harrison, of one morning news session years ago,
activities, the structure must be
>> explicit,
>> not implicit.
>>
>>
>>
>>- It is this informal structure, particularly in Unstructured groups,
>>which forms the basis for elites.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 10/5/15
From: OSList<oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org>
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OSList<oslist@lists.openspacetech.org>
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the point of choice).
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> Marie
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> From: OSList <oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org>
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> *Sent:* Saturday, October 03, 2015 9:26 AM
> *To:* oslist@lists.openspacetech.org
> *Subject:* [OSList] The Tyranny of Structurelessness
>
>
>
> THE TYRANNY of STRUCTURELESSNESS
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*Subject:* [OSList] The Tyranny of Structurelessness
THE TYRANNY of STRUCTURELESSNESS
Hi Daniel,
As a habitual outsider, I can't say whether or not I felt excluded by
the Ralph Copleman story or not. For me, it might be a bit like asking a
fish whether or not he feels wet.
But I will say - I've heard the story of Ralph and "everything is
moving", and I got value from the
> really going on. Or so I’ve been thinking.
>
> Harrison
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: OSList [mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org
> <mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org>] On Behalf Of Michael Herman
> via OSList
> Sent: Sa
’ve been thinking.
>
>
>
> Harrison
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> *From:* OSList [mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org');>] *On
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Dear Daniel, thank you for sharing the synopsis of the essay. Sounds very
valuable to me!
Rosa, yes I am
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Dear Danie
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> To: oslist@lists.openspacetech.org
> Subject: [OSList] The Tyranny of Structurelessness
>
> THE TYRANNY of STRUCTURELESSNESS
> by Jo Freeman aka Joreen
>
> I find this essay extre
ment of our imagination. It is our “take” of reality, a flash frame of
> the passing scene. In our minds it looks solid, even unchanging. But
> actually it is just a momentary view of the ongoing flow.” Or something.
>
>
>
> Harrison
>
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>
> *From:* OSList [mailto:oslist-bo
actually it is just a momentary view of the ongoing flow.” Or something.
>
>
>
> Harrison
>
>
>
> *From:* OSList [mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org
> <oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org>] *On Behalf Of *Daniel Mezick
> via OSList
> *Sent:* Sat
via OSList
Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2015 6:31 PM
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Subject: Re: [OSList] The Tyranny of Structurelessness
you remind me, harrison, of one morning news session years ago, somewhere,
probably OT... where ralph copleman walked
THE TYRANNY of STRUCTURELESSNESS
by Jo Freeman aka Joreen
I find this essay extremely interesting. I hope you do, too.
Here is a pertinent quote, from the essay:
".../the idea of "structurelessness" does not prevent the formation of
informal structures, only formal ones."
/
Circa 1970.
Hi Daniel,
Yes, this is a key piece... I see it as very similar in some ways to what
Ken Wilber wrote later,
about the "shadow side of the green meme". (Each meme has its own shadow,
as well as its own gift...)
So, I love "green". I love circles, I love non-hierarchy, etc.
And, part of the
octubre de 2015 12:19
Para: Daniel Mezick; World wide Open Space Technology email list
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Hi Daniel,
Yes, this is a key piece... I see it as very similar in some ways to what Ken
Wilber wrote later,
about the "shadow side of the green
g. But actually it is just
a momentary view of the ongoing flow." Or something.
Harrison
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Daniel Mezick via OSList
Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2015 9:26 AM
To: oslist@lists.openspacetech.org
Subject: [OSList] The Tyranny
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> *Asunto:* Re: [OSList] The Tyranny of Structurelessness
>
>
>
> Hi Daniel,
>
> Yes, this is a key piece... I see it as very similar in some ways to what
> Ken Wilber wrote later,
>
> about the "shadow side of the gr
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Hi Daniel,
Yes, this is a key piece... I see it as very similar in some ways
to what Ken Wilber wrote later,
about the "shadow side of the green meme". (Each meme has its own
shadow, as we
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