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Hi! I just want to add another perspective on ³structures². It¹s about the structures of oppression that is so hard to be aware of, especially if you are looking from the angle of a privileged position. I think Marylin Frey, a philosophy professor and feminist, describes it very well in this

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of times. Something was >>> definitely weird. It seemed to me that I had to re-consider all those >>> things I thought I had learned, beginning with the basics... such things as >>> Structure. >>> >>> >>> >>> Common sense would say th

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es” I “saw” existed only > because I wanted to see them – or perhaps that I “should” see them. But they > were only momentary wisps, figments – never to be mistaken for what was > really going on. Or so I’ve been thinking. > > Harrison > > > > > > &g

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Hi Michael, This is an inquiry that I enjoy and which I keep spinning around. It seems crystal clear to me that the topic of tyranny has value and sheds light. And it's also paradoxically true that the right/wrong victim/perpetrator narrative disempowers and lays blame. It relieves

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if I had proceded. I don't know whether this issue is related to my email setup or OsList's. Kind regards Anne To: oslist@lists.openspacetech.org Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2015 19:53:01 -0400 Subject: Re: [OSList] The T

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Hi Anne, The OSLIST messages are explicitly designed using a standard email "structure" of a "reply-to" field that goes to the list and to the sender. Most email programs use that field so when you hit reply it uses the requested list of reply-to recipients. This reply-to field is really only a

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> >>>- *This hegemony can be so easily established because the idea of >>>"structurelessness" does not prevent the formation of informal >>> structures, >>>only formal ones.* >>>- *For everyone to have the opportunity

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red groups, which forms the basis for elites./ Daniel On 10/6/15 10:04 AM, Harrison Owen wrote: Dan, Google can often help. https://www.google.com/#q=ralph+copleman ho *From:*OSList [mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org] *On Behalf

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luded in the story. >>> >>> >>> Earlier, I express how not having the context tends to (for me) arouse >>> feelings of: exclusion, cluelessness, and a general lack of membership in >>> whatever "historic-OS-mythos-episode" is being referred to. Sort

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into this email, but for all the others I have tested (without actually pushing the 'send' button) I notice that there is no OSList address. Regards Anne Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2015 03:34:11 -0600 Subject: Re: [OSList] The Tyranny of Structurelessness From: har...@shinsato.com To: anne_a_h

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g> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Harrison, >>>> >>>> Thanks for the tips on how to search OSLIST and Google, etc. I did do >>>> those things actually. However, that's a bit of an effort, especially >>>> searching the OSLIST archives. I guess I could eventually p

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wrote: Dan, Google can often help. <https://www.google.com/#q=ralph+copleman>https://www.google.com/#q=ralph+copleman ho *From:*OSList [mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org] *On Behalf Of *Daniel Mezick via OSList *Sent:* Monda

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tions by the author are actually true? Do these >> ideas have legs? >> >>- *This hegemony can be so easily established because the idea of >>"structurelessness" does not prevent the formation of informal structures, >>only formal ones.* >>- *For eve

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ing.  Harrison       *From:*OSList [mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org] *On Behalf Of *Michael Herman via OSList *Sent:* Saturday, October 03,

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ists.openspacetech.org');>] *On Behalf Of *Daniel Mezick via OSList *Sent:* Monday, October 05, 2015 4:51 PM *To:* Harrison Owen; World wide Open Space Technology email list *Subject:* Re: [OSList] The Tyranny of Structurelessness Howdy Harrison, Thanks for describing

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Yes On 10/7/15 1:41 AM, anne.bennett8ac via OSList wrote: Yes Sent from Samsung Mobile Original message From: paul levy via OSList Date:06/10/2015 19:00 (GMT+00:00) To: Michael Herman , World wide Open Space Technology email list Subject: Re: [OSList] The Tyranny

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enspacetech.org> Subject: Re: [OSList] The Tyranny of Structurelessness Is this list a tyranny of structurelessness? On 6 October 2015 at 16:5___ OSList mailing list To post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org To unsubscribe send an

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a OSList *Sent:* Monday, October 05, 2015 4:51 PM *To:* Harrison Owen; World wide Open Space Technology email list *Subject:* Re: [OSList] The Tyranny of Structurelessness Howdy Harrison, Thanks for describing the context of the Ralph Copleman story- I'm very thankful for that info. I notice t

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All > Different. No Breath. Deep Breath... > > How’s that for weird? > > HO > > From: OSList [mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org] On Behalf Of > Chris Corrigan via OSList > Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2015 2:08 PM > To: paul levy; World wide Open Space Te

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arly in Unstructured groups, which > forms the basis for elites. > > Daniel > > On 10/6/15 10:04 AM, Harrison Owen wrote: >> Dan, Google can often help. https://www.google.com/#q=ralph+copleman >> <https://www.google.com/#q=ralph+copleman> >> >> >&

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gt; Do you think these 3 assertions by the author are actually true? Do these >> ideas have legs? >> This hegemony can be so easily established because the idea of >> "structurelessness" does not prevent the formation of informal structures, >> only formal ones.

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list Subject: Re: [OSList] The Tyranny of Structurelessness My exploration of the Tao te Ching over the years has left me with the realization that structure and flow are co-arising: they come into being together and exist and mutually influence each other. How I live my life, shapes my body

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njoy. >>> >>> >>> Getting back to the Tyranny of Structurelessness: >>> >>> Do you think these 3 assertions by the author are actually true? Do >>> these ideas have legs? >>> >>>- *This hegemony can be so easily establishe

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d I guess it is mine too. >> >>  >> >> So how did I get to such a weird condition? It was all about anomaly – >> more particularly, the anomaly of Open Space. Everything that I had ever >> learned told me that it could not work. Unfortunately it did (work) – >&

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uot;laissez faire" society; the idea becomes a smokescreen >>> for >>>the strong or the lucky to establish unquestioned hegemony over others. >>> >>> >>> >>>- This hegemony can be so easily established because the idea of >&

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hael Herman via OSList Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2015 6:31 PM To: JL Walker; World wide Open Space Technology email list Subject: Re: [OSList] The Tyranny of Structurelessness  you remind me, harrison, of one morning news session years ago, somewhere, probably OT... where ralph c

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> ho > > > > *From:* OSList [mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org');>] *On > Behalf Of *Daniel Mezick via OSList > *Sent:* Monday, October 05, 2015 4:51 PM > *To:* Harrison Owen; World wi

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ed it to work. That’s the way things get done, or so I >> had been taught. But that’s not the way things happened in Open Space. >> Structure emerged along the way and only momentarily. Worse yet it >> (structure) seemed to have little to do with the obvious power, >> conn

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:* Saturday, October 03, 2015 6:31 PM *To:* JL Walker; World wide Open Space Technology email list *Subject:* Re: [OSList] The Tyranny of Structurelessness  you remind me, harrison, of one morning news session years ago, somewhere, probably OT... where ralph copleman walked to the center of t

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h.org');>] *On Behalf Of *Michael Herman via OSList *Sent:* Saturday, October 03, 2015 6:31 PM *To:* JL Walker; World wide Open Space Technology email list *Subject:* Re: [OSList] The Tyranny of Structurelessness you remind me, harrison, of one morning news session years ago,

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activities, the structure must be >> explicit, >> not implicit. >> >> >> >>- It is this informal structure, particularly in Unstructured groups, >>which forms the basis for elites. >> >> >> >> >> >> On 10/5/15

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From: OSList<oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org> <mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org> on behalf of via OSList<oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> <mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> Sent: Sunday, October

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the point of choice). > > Marie > > > > > > > From: OSList <oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org> > <oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org> on behalf of via OSList > <oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> <oslist@lis

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Could it be that the structure we need shows up as we need it and disappears as quickly as it appeared once it has done its thing or when it has outlived it usefulness? I value structure in my life though if I focus on it too much, it does often feel that it becomes a close cousin to those

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Hi Suzanne! Nice interpretation - and maybe Mickey Mouse deserves a bow here. One of the things I love about our OS Hotline is the wisdom of Skye Hirst, who frequently shows up there. She has a lot of experience inside the work of Robert S. Hartman, and the hierarchy of values. Structure

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Hi Daniel, As a habitual outsider, I can't say whether or not I felt excluded by the Ralph Copleman story or not. For me, it might be a bit like asking a fish whether or not he feels wet. But I will say - I've heard the story of Ralph and "everything is moving", and I got value from the

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> really going on. Or so I’ve been thinking. > > Harrison > > > > > > > From: OSList [mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org > <mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org>] On Behalf Of Michael Herman > via OSList > Sent: Sa

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’ve been thinking. > > > > Harrison > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *From:* OSList [mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org');>] *On > Behalf Of *Michael Herman

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list@lists.openspacetech.org> Sent: Sunday, October 4, 2015 10:27 AM To: Harrison Owen; World wide Open Space Technology email list Subject: Re: [OSList] The Tyranny of Structurelessness Dear Daniel, thank you for sharing the synopsis of the essay. Sounds very valuable to me! Rosa, yes I am

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From: OSList <oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org> on behalf of via OSList <oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> Sent: Sunday, October 4, 2015 10:27 AM To: Harrison Owen; World wide Open Space Technology email list Subject: Re: [OSList] The Tyranny of Structurelessness Dear Danie

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Dear Daniel, thank you for sharing the synopsis of the essay. Sounds very valuable to me! Rosa, yes I am also a 'green' lover - but living with the assumption that I am pretty aware of the shadows... For me sitting in a circle is a structure. Starting with a break is another element of

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i like your tomatoes story, anna. chris corrigan shared with me years ago a distinction i think he heard the dalai lama make, noticing the difference between structures that bound and restrict movement and freedom and those that support. they were explained as a closed, grasping hand and an

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Yay, Anna Caroline you speak my heart! thank you. *Rosa Zubizarreta* *Developing Participatory and Co-intelligent LeadershipAuthor of From Conflict to Creative Collaboration * *For more resources and learning opportunities, visit**www.DiaPraxis.com

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via OSList Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2015 6:31 PM To: JL Walker; World wide Open Space Technology email list Subject: Re: [OSList] The Tyranny of Structurelessness you remind me, harrison, of one morning news session years ago, somewhere, probably OT... where ralph copleman walked

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Hi Daniel, Yes, this is a key piece... I see it as very similar in some ways to what Ken Wilber wrote later, about the "shadow side of the green meme". (Each meme has its own shadow, as well as its own gift...) So, I love "green". I love circles, I love non-hierarchy, etc. And, part of the

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octubre de 2015 12:19 Para: Daniel Mezick; World wide Open Space Technology email list Asunto: Re: [OSList] The Tyranny of Structurelessness Hi Daniel, Yes, this is a key piece... I see it as very similar in some ways to what Ken Wilber wrote later, about the "shadow side of the green

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And just to churn the pot a bit open some space??? An off thought which has pestered me recently. Goes like this. "Structure is only a figment of our imagination. It is our "take" of reality, a flash frame of the passing scene. In our minds it looks solid, even unchanging. But actually it is

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ick; World wide Open Space Technology email list > *Asunto:* Re: [OSList] The Tyranny of Structurelessness > > > > Hi Daniel, > > Yes, this is a key piece... I see it as very similar in some ways to what > Ken Wilber wrote later, > > about the "shadow side of the gr

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ology email list *Asunto:* Re: [OSList] The Tyranny of Structurelessness Hi Daniel, Yes, this is a key piece... I see it as very similar in some ways to what Ken Wilber wrote later, about the "shadow side of the green meme". (Each meme has its own shadow, as we