Anne the pregnancy test reading levels of bHCG which are elevated
only in the first trimester and peak at 60-90 days post conception.
They then decrease after 10-11 weeks and plateau at 100-130 days at
a lower level that is maintained until birth and is not detectable by
2 weeks post
Congratulations Sue on hanging in there and having just completed my
BMid degree'. I'd say welcome to the sisterhood but it feels like
I'd be doing it 23 years too late.
Andrea Q
On 30/12/2006, at 2:14 PM, Sue Cookson wrote:
Hi Carolyn, Gail and others,
I can't agree with you enough
It would be easy to be critical after the fact and as you say without
being there but from my experience I would suggest the following
Just the fact that she was labouring so well and progressing at home
does not suggest sub optimal positioning at this stage as this lead
to spurious type
should be possible
Andrea Quanchi
On 23/12/2006, at 9:22 AM, A C Palmer wrote:
Where is she in NSW, Australia?
It may be difficult for her to gain midwife led care as a non-
resident of Australia because she has private health cover and she
would need to follow the private health lines.
I
This was sent to me by a friend and as I say Happy Christmas to everyone on the list, EnjoyAndrea Q Went to Abigail's school Christmas concert (no "proper" Nativity this year ). Each class did a little something followed by a song or 2. Anyway, Ab's class did a Nativity scene, with Ab as Mary (
Daaah I just read the whole subject only birthing options was
originally dispalyed on my computer
Andrea
On 14/12/2006, at 4:56 PM, Kate and/or Nick wrote:
Hi
I have a friend having her first baby in the A/W area. She’s asking
me questions about what her care options are, and I have no
trying to imagine what A/W is? Aulbury/Wodonga was all I could come
up with? She could try the MIPPs at Wangaratta if this is the case.
Andrea Q
On 14/12/2006, at 4:56 PM, Kate and/or Nick wrote:
Hi
I have a friend having her first baby in the A/W area. She’s asking
me questions about
A woman in labour's temp should be similar to what it is normally. I
would consider a woman's temp to be abnormal if it was accompanied by
other signs of an abnormal process occurring such as tacchycardia,
feeling flushed or unwell. If the woman is labouring in water the
water temp needs
Where do you buy it and how much does it cost, I am wary of
commercial sports drinks because of the amount of sugar in them and
the insulin dumping that occurs.
Andrea
On 09/12/2006, at 11:58 AM, Dan Rachael Austin wrote:
Hi Helen,
Have you heard of EmPact Sports Drink produced by
. She
needs to read up on 3rd stage choices
Andrea Quanchi
On 05/12/2006, at 3:28 PM, Kristin Beckedahl wrote:
Hi all,
Was chatting to a woman y'day re her first birth. She has very
fast labour woke up and was 6cm!, laboured for another 2.5hrs,
reached 10cm then they gave me the epidural
I have been with women plenty of times who have chosen for whatever
reason to birth in hospital. My view is that it is their choice not
mine. and I am happy to go with them wherever they choose. I have
only once had a woman whose birth I have not attended but this was
because she chose a
If any one is interested there is a la bassine birth pool advertised
on ebay with a few days to go in the bidding it is only up to $80:00
so far
Andrea Q
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On 19/11/2006, at 10:36 AM, diane wrote:
Does anyone have experience with this type of pool?? Can you get
disposable liners ??
Cheers,
Di
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Not at all related to anything but worth a look
Andrea
Some really great shots of earth:
What A Beautiful Blue Planet!
scroll down after opening...
you can purchase syntocinon at www.livingstone.com.auAndrea QOn 14/11/2006, at 9:13 PM, cath nolan wrote:I have a few births at home coming up and was wondering about synto and other drugs in my kit. How do others purchase them? Do I have to have a script from a doctor? The other issue that I do
Where I work when I am not being a MIPP we leave the cord until it
has stopped pulsating, or the mother asks for it to be cut and then
we give the synt after it has been clamped. Our PPH rate is not
noticeably higher
Put it this way we have the usual conservative GPs and they do not
object
theoretically hep c will be released into the water with woman's body fluids and would be a risk to anyone who put their hands etc into the water ( midwife, partner and baby included). Viruses are very unstable outside the human body but the potential risk would be there. I would consider the
Well as a MCHN i was certainly not trained by Wyeth. I paid for it myself at great expense. We did have one session from a company rep talking about formula in the context of those mothers who choose to use formula. It was in relation to how to read the nutritional panel on the tin and what to
wrote:
Fantastic story Andrea. As I am just starting in home birth I
love hearing these variations from hospital stuff.
Cheers
Judy
PS, bet she was pleased after the fact that you had not
immediately jumped to ring an ambulance.
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Sometimes at home the women get just as despondent but the difference is that no one is going to walk through the door and under mine me and 'save' her.Last week I was with a women who was birthing at home after three very different and for a variety of reasons not so great labours.. She had done
Its all in the strength of the machine and the length of exposureAndreaOn 23/09/2006, at 9:52 AM, Roberta Quinn wrote:Can anyone tell me the difference between a hand-held doppler and a visual ultrasound macine? Is a hand-held doppler a lesser evil?
.
Please pass this on to all you friends and remove any foam matress
that you have added to your cots
Andrea Quanchi
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I have had a client whose mother died following the birth of her younger brother. She was four years old and home alone with her mother 2-3 days after giving birth when her mother unable to get off the couch sent Mandy to get a neighbor. She claims to have no conscious memory of the incident but
Meconium staining of the liquor in itself is not an emergency. It is an indication that at some time the baby may not have been happy. Spontaneous emptying of the bowel contents happens in babies for two reasons, one when they are stressed or upset (hence where the saying sh*tt*ng themselves
Sue that is a very good point that I had not considered and would like an answer to. Did this come up in the discussion anyone who was there?Andrea QuanchiOn 06/09/2006, at 6:55 PM, Sue Cookson wrote: Firstly, there are BMid courses which allow students to attend with homebirth midwives - I'm in
My feeelings on it are divided as I dont necessarily want CA to be doing my invoicing of clients for a number of reasons one of which is confidentiality. but the deal itself sounds reasonable to me to pay on a per case basis. I would be happy with a per case fee as I feel this would be fair for
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LisaNothing is set in concrete yet but we need 200 names to be able to move forward. There is a meeting today in Melbourne and have been other meetings around the country. I suggest you ring Barb Vernon at ACMI and she can give you the relevant info for your stateAndreaOn 05/09/2006, at 8:24 AM,
That is such a good point because people who have never seen women
upright are so surprised when you point it out to them
Andrea
On 03/09/2006, at 3:15 PM, Synnes wrote:
H! Now that would be hard to see if you have the birthing mum
restricted on her back on the bed, wouldn't it
It can be out of the fridge for days so long as it is kept below a certain temp ( I think it was 25oC but dont quote that) which most hospitals which are air conditioned would be. At certain times I have experienced episodes in which we have had a number of 'failed' inductions which has made me
Kelly do you want responses to the list or do you have an address to respond to which would be betterAndrea QuanchiOn 02/09/2006, at 12:45 PM, Kelly @ BellyBelly wrote:Dear all, As you probably know, I have an Australia-wide Doula Directory on BellyBelly, which alone is receiving around 400
The list of MIPP is available at
http://www.maternitycoalition.org.au/mipps/mipps.html
Andrea Quanchi
On 21/08/2006, at 10:23 PM, Ken Ward wrote:
We have several home birth midwives, all on the internet
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If you are called to a meeting Joy make sure you take a personal advocate with you. Puts them on the back foot if they are accountable for what is said in the meeting when you have a witness. Make sure your advocate takes an obvious pen and paper and doodles on it consistently throughout the
and the mother is confident that
everything is OK but how do you explain that to a 5 year old?
I have looked in the birth international catalogue but it is hard to
know which ones are good.
Any suggestions
Andrea Quanchi
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Subject: [ozmidwifery] childrens books on grief
Dear Andrea and all
I am after a suggestions of children's books that would be
suitable for a
little girl
, Andrea Quanchi wrote: There is definitively something happening in Griffith. I have had two women call me from Griffith in the last two weeks wanting a homebirth. I am willing to go there ( a bit over three hours from Echuca) but was wondering if anyone knows someone living closer who might
in being involved. Any suggestions. I was laso
wondering what uni is doing mid up that way whether there was any mid
students interested.
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Like all these things we can all tell stories that support both sides of the equation. I personally know of a baby whose spinal defect was at the base of the skull. The a/n ultrasounds showed that the brainstem was herniating into the meningocele and the parents were told it was incompatible with
read it.
There was only one thing I was disappointed in, it ended.
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55 children is surely not enough to draw this conclusion from. My first born was breast fed and still wet the bed for many yearsSomething like 1% of boys still wet the bed at 15 and I bet many of them were breast fedHow do they come up with these thingsAndrea QOn 16/07/2006, at 1:51 PM, Helen and
Well for those who continue to say the list is working properly I
have received this message bit have never seen another post on the
subject from Kelly which I would be interested to read
Andrea Q
On 14/07/2006, at 8:44 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi Kelly, I've only just read your post,
Well done, keep telling everyone where you work because it can become the normAndrea QOn 11/07/2006, at 7:41 PM, meg wrote:Dear all,I would just like to boast because today I achieve a goal. With the help of an obliging mum, this morning I managed to receive a baby in OT, and except for the brief
something they dont want you to do that they will bring this up
against you.
Is this what the next round is about? Will other hospitals that
employ midwives who also work outside the hospital try this one
next. I suspect so. Be prepared.
Andrea Quanchi
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This is always an issue unless you 1. are studying and thus have access through the uni. 2. are employed at a hospital Most hospitals have access through the library and a government website but I can never remember what it is. If you work at a hospital check with the IT department or library. 3.
Nicolecontact the ANF as they have three or was it four different ways you can choose to be paid which all ensure you get your payment and still remain within the award. They seem compilcated when you first read them but all ensure that over the year you get all your money but allow the
Its not normal for sure and she needs to go see a different paediatrician or maybe a gastroenterologist. The history of reflux would suggest that he has bleeding in his oesophagus although I would think that it would be seen in hiis possits unless he is one of the babies with non seen reflux as
Did you read Kath's story that I submitted to the list last week. For every bad birth yo have attended I bet there have been more good ones. Most midwives will not see a woman who requires a hysterectomy following birth in their whole careers let alone see more than one in one year so you have
yes I am going along with three of my clients and two midwivesAndrea QOn 22/06/2006, at 6:24 PM, Susan Cudlipp wrote:Are many Ozmidders going to the conference?Sue- Original Message -From: Sally-Anne BrownTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 12:46 PMSubject:
At the ICM Andrea R gave us stickers to waar on our name badges so we could recognise each other. Andrea are you coming to GeelongAndrea QOn 23/06/2006, at 12:09 AM, Susan Cudlipp wrote: Should we wear red carnations or something ?- would be great to put faces to names - I am going along with a
Doesn't a plan indicate an intention and therefore the desired choice or preference. They all assume women know there is a choice to make rather than the prescribed doctrine of someone else.The organisation where I work has a proforma birth plan that attempts to give women spaces to write what
I was 'with' a woman on thursday night when she birthed that left me
on a real high
Kath has been seeing me for her whole pregnancy and we had discussed
birthing at home many times but she had decided that she wanted to go
to the hospital to birth.
perhaps if it was my second baby I might
Rarely, I did use it once for a baby who had very thick liquor after SROM minutes before birth (see the latest birth matters journal for her birth story) but that is the only time. I always have it set up and am happy to set it up and pack it up without using it. I still have my original cylinder
A twin o vac new costs around $900 and then there is the annual cost of hiring the O2 cylinder which is relatively inexpensive. Andrea QuanchiOn 06/06/2006, at 11:41 PM, Lisa Barrett wrote:Hi, Julie, I am an independent midwife and I use bi manual suction. I have a suction tube with a little pot
that her or me.
Good luck with the assignment
Andrea Quanchi
I'm a student and have chosen homebirth as my topic for a
presentation to give in our final semester. I'd like to compile a
map of homebirth practices arounbd Australia.Does anyone have any
info or suggestions on where to look
I'd be interested to see the map when you have finished
Andrea
On 03/06/2006, at 11:42 AM, Kate Andrews wrote:
I'm a student and have chosen homebirth as my topic for a
presentation to give in our final semester. I'd like to compile a
map of homebirth practices arounbd Australia.Does anyone
then dont but dont let it stop
them from attending because the experience is to valuable to waste.
Andrea Quanchi
On 01/06/2006, at 7:03 PM, Stephen Felicity wrote:
I think perhaps you women are the lucky ones; I only recently had
an email from a student midwife in SA, lamenting that she
wrote:wise women...At what point does high blood pressure become an issue in preg? what is a 'normal' reading for a healthy preg woman? What reading is considered 'high-risk' or requiring action (without proteinuria)...?Big thanksFrom: Andrea Quanchi [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: ozmidwifery
The place I work we give it when we do the NST. It was a midwife
decision not an evidence based one. Like giving it with the vit K it
is easier to do it at a predictable time so that it doesn't get
overlooked. The midwives wanted not to do it at birth as they were
wanting to do as little
I bought myself Peggy Vincent's book the Baby Catcher for IMD and
have just finished reading it.
I laughed, I cried but most of all thought I was reading a book that
could have been about me.
I would encouraged everyone to read it.
Thanks Andrea for putting it on the list for IMD
Andrea
I bought it from Birth International
www.birthinternational.com.au
On 19/05/2006, at 2:00 PM, sharon wrote:
where can u buy this book is it avaliable at dymocks ect
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Marytry her websitewww.carolineflint.co.ukAndreaOn 16/05/2006, at 10:04 AM, Mary Murphy wrote:Does anyone have a direct email contact for Caroline? My previous contact is incorrect. Thanks, MM
OOps Mary copied the wrong linewww.independentmidwives.org.uk/article98.htmtry this oneAndreaOn 16/05/2006, at 10:04 AM, Mary Murphy wrote:Does anyone have a direct email contact for Caroline? My previous contact is incorrect. Thanks, MM
Congratulations Marycan we read the letter anywhereAndreaOn 06/05/2006, at 8:51 AM, Mary Murphy wrote:Thanks Jan and everyone else! I was thrilled that the essence of midwifery was being celebrated. The woman who wrote the nomination was concise and eloquent in her praise of midwifery skills.
Thanks LynnI too welcomed a baby at 00:27 this morning and found it a wonderful way to celebrate IMD. Although now up and at it again after 5 hours sleep is a bit ordinary. How come the rest of the world doesnt fit in with this wonderful thing we do. Have a great day everyoneAndrea QuanchiOn
Nancy tell us more about what you have, where you are and what prices
you are asking. Perhaps pictures or brand names would be good
Andrea Quanchi
On 03/05/2006, at 10:28 AM, Nancy San Martin wrote:
Hello Andrea,
I am a midwife in far north NSW, used to be independent until
insurance
I dont have the web site bit saved it onto my computer. It was from Gloria Lemay so may be on her website - AQHow to Check Your Own Cervix- "it's not rocket science" Self-Checking of Dilation and Descent"I think it's a good and empowering thing for a woman to check her own cervix for dilation.
Helen Sandner MIPP[EMAIL PROTECTED]On 06/04/2006, at 2:35 PM, Janet Fraser wrote:http://douladirectory.joyousbirth.info/vic.html#bendigo- Original Message -From: Kelly @ BellyBellyTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 2:20 PMSubject: [ozmidwifery] Birth
the things is that if her babies are that big imagine how big her placentas are, probably the size of a dinner plate instead of a bread and butter plate. It makes sense that a large placental site will bleed more than a little one but its whether the woman is symptomatic or not that matters. If
Mary just off the top of my head a baby's vitamin K levels are reduced at birth as a consequence of poor placental transportation of vitamin K. As nature hasn't got much wrong in the birth process you would assume this is the way it is meant to be and increasing maternal vitamin k would
except giving a vitamin K injection is not a vacination. It produces
no response in the immune system but causes a physiological response
that is arguably not needed unless the baby and mother are interupted
at birth either necessarily or unnecessarily
Andrea Q
On 24/03/2006, at 4:33 PM,
Why dont you go to a good nursery and ask them what plants would
thrive in a pot with a placenta. Maybe you need a pair of pots ( and
half in each as it might be too much for one and would also increase
your chances of having one survive
Andrea Q
On 20/02/2006, at 7:46 PM, Jo Watson wrote:
Today I had my first waterbirth. It was so beautiful. All 4.8kg of
him manipulated his way out all by himself. Mum was able to describe
his movements to us in a running commentary even down to telling us
that the shoulders were rotating after his head was born.
tears in Dads ( and the
Janet JoI can only speak about the places I have worked where the vast majority of midwives are mothers and choose to work part time. If you are with a woman in labour and or attend her LUSCS you may not even get to see her again during her stay. She will see a different midwife/s each shift and
Yeh, Janet but how do we make talking therapies available to the women who need them and who do you see is the person who should be providing this 'therapy' and whenAndreaOn 04/02/2006, at 11:19 AM, Janet Fraser wrote:I remember it but I disagree with it entirely. It struck me as no more logical
No the list has never been private and anyone can get hold of anything that is on any chat list in the world and pass it on to whom ever they please including the persons or organisations that people are talking about whether directly or indirectly and we all need to remember this when we submit
If anyone has been to captain cooks cottage in Melbourne which was
his childhood home that was transported from england you will note
that the ceilings and doors are very low. The average height of men
then was less than 5 feet. As a species humans are getting taller
with each generation.
Have you a doll and pelvis model. I find that it really helps for the
women to see what it is they are tring to achieve and then they can
visualsie it better. I find many women that I see at the hospital ) not
having 1 to 1 care are holding everything quite tight in their pelvis.
Once I get
very subtle andrea R, you should do more bragging about it than that as
it is a great resource for the rest of us
What she means mike is that she wrote it and you can buy it from her
webstore.
Andrea Q
On 26/01/2006, at 7:58 AM, Andrea Robertson wrote:
You'll find the details here:
This is such a poor excuse because you are hopefully not inserting the
thermometer far enough to prove that the baby has a continuous gut with
no obstructions. The only proof of this is passage of meconium.
Baby's that have meconium ileus will have perforate anus' but still
have a
Huntleigh Health Care
I know the have an office in Melbourne and can be found through the white pages if not the internet
Andrea Quanchi
On 20/01/2006, at 6:03 PM, Mary Murphy wrote:
x-tad-biggerHi, I am looking for a contact or company who sells sonicaid hand held dopplers in any state
I had a look at this web site and found her story at
http://www.nandu.hu/Magyar/Szules/HU_MW3.htm
absolutely amazing and well worth the read
Andrea Q
On 21/01/2006, at 4:23 AM, Vedrana Valčić wrote:
x-tad-biggerPaivi,/x-tad-bigger
x-tad-biggeryou might want to ask Andrea Noll, a Hungarian
This injection is only 0.2 mls and so if you give it in a 2 ml syringe the dead space is more than that so common sense says this is not a good idea and thus I have never even looked for a policy regarding it. Can you imagine anyone researching this because measuring the dead space would tell you
of contractions they establish rather than wain again.
If you want to ask Pauline Scott I have her email
Andrea Quanchi
On 08/01/2006, at 7:20 AM, Gloria Lemay wrote:
This is mentioned in Optimal Fetal Positioning. Can anyone tell a Canadian what they are?
Gloria in Vancouver, BC Canada
This was in our local paper today and I thought you might be
interested. I sent them an email over a month ago when I received a
copy of the report and it took till now for it to appear.
Andrea Quanchi
http://rivheraldechuca.net/story.asp?TakeNo=200601066155153
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I make a point of treating myself to an appointment with my network chiropractor after each birth I attend as I too encourage the woman to choose her place/ position of birth and find my lower back is tight the next day. I generally have no problems this way. He always knows how many births I have
I think it is just the christmas new year lull
Andrea
On 02/01/2006, at 12:47 AM, Susan Cudlipp wrote:
I seem to be missing some posts - has the list been very quiet? Very few posts in the past few weeks, and some that are replies but I never recieved the originals
Sue
The only thing necessary
must be the later because I got your email
Andrea Q
On 19/12/2005, at 9:05 PM, diane wrote:
is the list down or is everyone too busy xmas shopping?
Merry Xmas to you all if there is anyone out there!
Di
I would think this would be a description of what you do, ie a description of caseload and what it means to you and the women. Perhaps send an email to Pat Brodie or Sally Tracey and ask them.
Andrea Quanchi
On 16/12/2005, at 12:30 PM, Mary Murphy wrote:
x-tad-biggerI am needing to address
Congratulations to you all, Mum, Dad, Kids, midwives etc
Andrea Q
On 06/12/2005, at 11:05 PM, Justine Caines wrote:
Dear All
Here’s the news and even a little pic! Thank you all so much for your lovely wishes!
JC
xx
http://au.geocities.com/homebirthau/twins.html
well done Julie
Andrea Q
On 05/12/2005, at 5:41 PM, Julie Garratt wrote:
Well I am happy to announce the safe arrival of my university transcript closely followed by my registration and cute little badge after a three year labour at Flinders university.
Many thanks to the midwives, my fellow
So Share, we're listening (well reading anyway)
On 30/11/2005, at 2:41 PM, Rosetta Timpano - Asset Protection
Consultant wrote:
Hi, my name is Rosetta and I would like to share with you some info on
how to get around the Litigation/Insurance issue, especially when
there is no insurance
. I use my balls alot in labour but use the stools antenatally.
My pilot study was not big enough to show results and thus I acknowledge that all recommendations to women are based on anecdotal evidence and not research.
Andrea Quanchi
On 28/11/2005, at 9:42 AM, Janet Fraser wrote:
I'm
would occur more severely in true shoulder dystocia. Of course prevention is better than cure and encouraging 25% increase in space within the maternal pelvis is likely to reduce the number of cases where this will be a problem.
Andrea Quanchi
On 17/11/2005, at 4:02 PM, Susan Cudlipp wrote:
Good
I have searched through Maternal, Fetal and Neonatal Physiology
(Blackburn Loper) and cant find anything helpful
Andrea Q
On 08/11/2005, at 9:54 AM, wump fish wrote:
This made me laugh. It is just the kind of question my son (year 9)
would come up with.
I haven't even thought about it! I
eek.
Andrea Quanchi
On 03/11/2005, at 12:45 AM, Denise Hynd wrote:
WA ANF members have to pay extra for the ANJ
So can you tell me if we can access the article on the net ?
Thanks
Denise Hynd
Let us support one another, not just in philosophy but in action, for the sake of freedom for all wo
Tina,
Well done and we can all only aspire to more of these experiences
Andrea Quanchi
On 19/10/2005, at 6:15 PM, Tina Pettigrew wrote:
Hi everyone,
tis me againjust wanted to share with you that last Friday while I was working in our family birthing unit I had the most awesome of experiences
Thats where the bed works so well as you have heaps more room, the woman is much more relaxed as she isnt worried that she'll roll off, squash her bub or expose her backside to the whole room. I agree in this situation its more important to get bub on quickly as the poor things have been waiting
No
They no nothing about me and have not asked
Andrea Quanchi
On 18/10/2005, at 11:56 PM, brendamanning wrote:
Andrea,
Do you have a provider number with HBA ?
With kind regards
Brenda Manning
www.themidwife.com.au
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I cant imagine any animal doing this as it would be too dangerous. A
dragging placenta would attract to many predators and one sitting in a
nest or a den would be attractive to flies etc which would bring their
own problems.
Andrea Quanchi
On 18/10/2005, at 11:01 PM, Vedrana Valčić wrote
Where I work we count women having a LUSCS whether elective or emerg as being in labour and therefore 1:1 under the ANF ratios. The midwife admits goes to theatre and stays there until mum is ready to go to recovery, goes there with her and the rest of the family and stays until they return to the
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