HI,
Sorry for the x-post, but thought I would share that thismorning at 3:46am I
gave birth to a beautiful little girl, Runah. After a couple of days of
crazy prelabour and 5 hours of active labour she was birthed in warm water,
in my own home, into my friends hands with just her daddy, mummy and
Hi,
Just thought I would let everyone know that there is no way Pinky would ever
be in agreement with the Ezzo's and their teachings. In fact Pinky spends
quite a lot of time with parents difusing the terrible belief systems they
have, that were put in place by such people as the Ezzo's, Tizzie
Hi,
I hardly post here anymore but thought this was worth mentioning. If I had
known earlier I would've been campaigning!
The Ezzo's are in Victor Harbour, SA for the GFA National Conference this
weekend. I can't imagine anything worse than spending a weekend listening to
babies being left to
Subject: [ozmidwifery] doula in the Hawkesbury?
Hi all,Does anyone know of a doula in this
area?
Here is Bonny's details Janet. They are posted
on a public site so I am sure she wouldn't mind me posting them
here.
Bonny Davies (Maternity and Birth
Support)north-west sydney region:
Hi,
Thought some people may find this
interesting.
Love Abby
Subject: Joyous Birth Review: Episiotomies May Bring More
Risks
Review: Episiotomies May Bring More RisksBy CARLA K.
JOHNSON, Associated Press WriterTue May 3,11:09 PM ETFor years, some
doctors believed that an episiotomy, an
Hi,
Homebirth Access Sydney is in need of your support. We need some more people
to help out at the stand this weekend.
I am sure we are all aware that in Australia less than 1% of births occur at
home, it is a tragedy. Women do not seem to be aware of their options and
choices for prenatal and
Hi Sydney Midwives,
Homebirth Access Sydney would love if you could lend a couple of hours to
come and help promote and raise awareness of the joys of homebirthing in
Sydney. HAS is having a stall at the Parents, Babies and Childrens Expo from
Friday 15th April to Sunday 17th April. We still have
I am unclear about some of this reply but when I said 'stressed about the
size and labour' I meant (and this is what I needed from people), was that
she needs to get her head away from worry about the size and birthing a
big
baby because that will inhibit and affect her ability to labour well
Hi,
Are there any midwives on here that support women
birthing in the upper Blue Mountains, or do you know of any?
I already know of one, but was wondering if there
were any others willing to come up.
Thanks
Love Abby
Thought that many people would be interested to know this is happening. I
for one would be really upset if this great resource was shut down. Consumers
need both sides to make informed decisions, without both sides there is no
informed choice.
Love Abby
Meryl Dorey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I have discussed with her the probs with ultrasound
weights, big babies, birth, she is very tall as is her husband, stressing
about the size in labour affecting her labour.
Maybe her body just grows big babies. If a womans body grows big babies, why
would you stress how size can affect labour,
Hi,
A client and I have been discussing protein in urine and how much is too
much, when to get worried etc. She was admitted to hospital at 37 weeks with
her daughter and induced, apparently due to high blood pressure and protein
in her urine. A friend of hers had a similiar symptoms of pre
Has anyone had any experience with women eating a chunk of raw
placenta to stop pph? I have read a few things about it and was just wondering
if anyone had experience with this.
Thanks
Love Abby
Hi,
I have just heard, fifth hand, that at Baxter detention centre they are
forcing all pregnant women to have a scheduled caesarean. Is this correct?
If so, is there anything happening to change it?
Thanks
Love Abby
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Thought someone here might be able to share some knowledge and insight
with this woman.
Love Abby
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want to learnDate:
Sat, 18 Dec 2004 18:14:05 -0800 (PST)From:
Emily [EMAIL PROTECTED]To:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]Hi
thereIm a 20 year old female,
IN case any of your missed this. lots of mixed messages here!
http://www.smh.com.au/news/National/The-risk-that-follows-caesarean/2004/12/
16/1102787218025.html
Regards,mAndrea
Don't know if I am even game to read it! lol! On the c-aware list there has
already been a response from a woman
Hm, was just on the phone to a friend
talking about when this would get posted on here...Pinky are you on this
list? lol!
As if parents need more pressure to sleep and have
children that should be sleeping through. Too much focus goes on how many hours
a baby sleeps or if
Hi,
Thought I would post a link to this for anyone that may not have seen it.
The policy certainly challenges much of the popular thinking about sleep
training and such.
http://www.aaimhi.org/documents/position%20papers/controlled_crying.pdf
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I can't believe, thatpeople believe,
that a three month old should be able to put herself back to sleep??
Sorry, I misread the age of the child and she was 7
months when they went to Tresillian. Still far too young in my opinion, she
still has such a tiny tummy and babies usually wake if
Hi,
Couple of questions about this-
1) Is this application normal or necessary, the
fasting for so long I mean - "My
midwife wants me to have a glucose challenge test that involves 12 hours fasting
then a blood test, drinking a sugary drink, 1hr later another blood test,
drinking another
Hi,
Just reading about breech births and differences of
opinions between caregivers. Came across this comment, on a homebirth midwifes
page and found it kinda odd. I would expect it from some Obs and hospital
staff,but not sure what to make of this. There are other things on the
page that
Couple that with knowledge and common sense
and you will cope with most midwifery situations including breech
birth.marilyn
Thanks for sharing Marilyn. I think that paragraph
was pretty full on too..actually, I thought most of it was coming from a
very "managed" and aggressive
Title: Re: [ozmidwifery] Breech birth question
I really love your interest in all
the finer details of birth - your inquisitive nature will hold you well as you
watch all your births unfold - all in their own manner, positions and time
frame.
Thanks for the encouragement Sue. Sometimes my
When my sister lost her baby,
my mum, other sister and I had a ceremony together. My sister and I each made
her a small, quilted wall piece and my mum gave her a love, hope and charity
gold charm.
We gave them to her in a memory
box that we had decorated.
She kept the box hidden away
for
Hi,
can anyone help me in locating info about the dangers of gentian violet? It
was my understanding that in Oz we stopped recommending it quite some time
ago because of some dangers?? My sister in America has been told to use it
on her 4 week old daughter for thrush. Any info, especially online
A lactation consultant can help with this.
Nicole C
Thanks Joy, Nicole and Pinky. I'll pass on the info to my sister. All the
info I found on the internet was people recommending it's good to know that
it is safe.
Thanks
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Why not just invent an artificial womb that can sit in the loungeroom for
nine months with a little window in it so we can watch the fetus develop and
if it's not quite 'right' just start all over again and then at exactly
40weeks gestation (no longer of course) open up the cupboard and voila -
and how dare anyone take that right away.
Nicole
How dare anyone take away the right to live. It is a life being
terminated. If I was about to be killed because someone decided I should
be, then I sure hope someone would speak out for me.
Love Abby
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Hi,
Thought some might be interested in this. The speaker line up looks great.
http://conference.ican-online.org/index1.htm
Love Abby
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Do pro abornists ever stop to think about all the 'WOMEN' that are
aborted?
Very well said.also, what about their RIGHT TO CHOOSE?! There is
always so much focus on the right to choose for women to choose abortion,
but pro choice people never talk about the person being killed and their
It would be nice for us if all
women were pro-active in determining their birth plan in advance in
collaboration with their primary care-giver, be it GP, Obstetrician , or
midwife, but sadly as we all know this is not the case with many women arriving
at hospital for their baby's birth with
I need to add that the intentions of my initial posting was merely to
inform those who may be interested in attending, I don't see the advantage
in voicing our indidviual opinions on this subject under this forum. cheers
Megan
Hi Megan,
I think this was an emotive post so posting to a list of
For pro abortionists, they want to fight for their choice while, just as
fiercely want to fight for womens and childrens choices.
Oopps! This should've read, ...just as fiercely, pro lifers want to fight
for womens and childrens choices
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Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] cold epidurals
This is also recommended be the hospitals here for birth of twins. Just
in case.
I have to say I am sitting here feeling sick to my stomach that this is
happening to women, twins or not. What kind of uneducated, misinformation
are they recieving to
been doing the right thing to let the baby cry for hours ... naturally
nobody in the house has been getting any sleep and everyone is on edge!! Can
anybody help me?Leanne.
Hi Leanne,
It makes me cringe and cry everytime I hear of another baby being tortured
and a family being torn up because of
Great site Abby.
marilyn
It is a great site. I believe we all need to be really aware of this book
and this mans teachings, his Becoming Babywise books are fast becoming one
of Australias best selling childcare books and to be honest, it is
frightening. All the major bookstores carry his books
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 10:30 AM
Subject: Joyous Birth Fw: axing of ABC George Negus
Subject: axing of ABC George Negus
Dear friends, I have just rung the ABC to congratulate the
showing of a homebirth. Spoke to a VERY upset producer who informed me
that she was tooupset to make
Sue Cookson, are you on this list? This is your area I think.
Love Abby
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Hi
My name is Monica Falconer.
I live between
Hi,
Today I attended the information session for the direct entry BMid at UTS.
Sounded interesting, lots of people there, but I must admit I was
disappointed to learn the NO alternative therapies will be taught. No
herbs or anything. I find it so hard to accept that, in a course teaching
about
No rush to get to hospital on time!
No hospital gowns. No identity crisis.
No clocks. No drips. No drugs.
No rush to produce this baby.
No poking or prodding. No stirrups.
Just privacy. And freedom.
No superbugs. No strangers.
No waiting-rooms.
No wiring up your womb to a fetal heart
Found this on another list.it was originally posted on Essential Baby.
I am a producer at Channel 9 researching a story on the debate between
people
who support and oppose elective caesareans.
I would like to talk to people who are interested in participating in this
story
If you would
Hi,
Was just wondering a couple of thingshas anyone studied mid through
UTS? If so, how did you honestly find the training? Woman centred or
medical? Evidence based, natural etc?
Also, does anyone know anything about Jill White the dean and how she views
birth, her attitudes etc?
They
I believe all midwives and midwifery students should first ask themselves
whether or not they want support from and association with any party that
endorses a candidate who claims on national radio/print media/TV that all
lesbians are witches and should be burnt at the stake. Maybe time to tread
Dear All, The family First party are not a
religious party, but a put the welfare of the family first party based on
judeo-Christian principles (as are the Laws ofour country, our
constitution etc). I heard the SA rep speaking and this came from his mouth. I
then checked out the website and
christians were the backbone of the homebirth movement and I am wondering
if
this is so with the FFP and if they would support midwives and PI
insurance,
NMAP etc.pondering marilyn
Hi Marilyn,
I have been thinking about that all day. To be honest, I don't know where
they stand, but I think
Hi,
Is there any online trading place for people into birth in Australia? There
are a few in the US that I have bought stuff from but I'd love to tap into
any in Oz. I am a bit of a women and birth book fiend and love buying
secondhand stuff so if you know of any please send a link.
thanks
Love
Hi,
Most people on here would probably know about this, but for those who don't,
it looks like a great conference!
http://www.midwiferytoday.com/conferences/eugene2005/program.asp
Love Abby
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Hi,
As much as I LOVE the idea of homebirth for all womenlolI know
lots of women feel safer birthing in a birth centre or hospital. I do have
a dream for an amazing birthing place, one day.
Anywaythere is a great, practically new, birth centre attached to
Nepean Hospital. I
Indeed, the Bible is full of
dreadful cruelties towards women and children. Most of them God
ordained...David
Hi David,
The Bible also has some beautiful and amazing
things about women, children and babies. I don't want to get into a "it says, he
says, she says" kind of thing, but just
So imagine the excitement, joy and peace of mind you
could get frombeing able to hear
your baby's heartbeat and movements.
OR the
terror and anxiousness from not being able to accurately find the heartbeat, or
worry from an irregular or slow heartbeat!!and then the extra drs
Hi,
I've got a question about hospitals inducing etc. I have a client going to
St George public and her EDD was the 5th, mum and bubs are doing
wonderfully, heads 3/5 engaged, heart rate fine etc.
Went to see doc today who swept and stretched, clients words, that was
OMG that was painful, male
Hi Leanne,
If your client wants a normal birth she should avoid an induction unless
it is medically indicated, not just because she is a couple of days past her
due date.
I know! I know! I actually don't understand why she is choosing to go along
with it, she is very educated and has lots of
Hi Trish,
I think we must be completely misunderstanding each other.
As for the doula thing...well I think I made myself clear during the
whole doula vs midwife conversation.
I don't know how you see that what I was saying is in any way an attack on
midwives, I am really sorry if it
I believe that you are coming from the
right place in your heart, but sometimes we need to take a step back think
about how others may perceive us if we want to be listened to at all. I am
speaking as someone who has learnt this lesson skill recently. Your
opinion is valued.Philippa
This will be done byJuila
Gilliard and it will focused on providing solutions to thelack of PI
insurance country wide, not just for the NT.
He sounded sincere and i really think they
will deliver for midwives.Kirsten.
Darwin.
~~~start life with a midwife~~~
That's excellent and inspiring
I was only about 5 days into my first week of midwifery training ( never
had it as a child).
Hope all goes well.
Regards, Tina H. (Brisbane)
Thanks Tina, we went to the docs today and it is not chickenpox. Her few
spots on her arms and chest cleared up, she is prone to rashes, and she
instead
Apology accepted Abby, and I meant pain in the as a true compliment.
Trish
Thanks Trish! I hope our paths cross one day.
Love Abby
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I suggested that perhaps that was one of the hazards of her
profession?
Grr!!!
Jo x
HOMEBIRTH! HOMEBIRTH!HOMEBIRTH!
Do you think there will come a day when the majority of women will stop
putting up with medical professionals bullshit and start trusting
themselves?
I cringe when I
Hi Belinda,
I will throw a flame - what is a
traditional midwife and why is this person always without faults and seemingly
all knowledgeable and sanctified.
I don't think anyone thinks that traditional
midwives are without faults or sanctified, however, I do believe that in their
Hi Trish,
Abby, could I ask where you are studying midwifery???
I'm not studying midwifery, nor did I say that I was. I do know quite a few
students and midwives and have had numerous discussions with them about what
they do and don't learn.
I've read a fair bit about 'wise' women, don't
I have spoken
to a woman who ruptured after a very natural homebirth. It can happen even when all seems to be
going well and no intervention has occurred fortunately she was okay although
it was touch and go at one stage.
She can no longer have children. I know midwives(independent) who
There is such a
wide variation about how people are trained. I feel pretty lucky to have has
midwifery training and then apprenticed with a group of midwives. I worked for
about 18 more months as the apprentice. This was a fantastic time. One of the
women who inspired me (Hi Annie Pop) told
Hi Trish,
Abby, if I didn't think I was trying to impart a degree of wisdom, and
assist students to find their own wisdom, together with the women (heard
of the follow-through experience???) and the lovely midwives in hospitals
who assist them with onsite learning, and the VERY occassional
Hi,
Wondering if any of you know if chickenpox can be carried by someone that
doesn't actually have the virus? I am sure there is a word for this but I
don't know what it is.
My dd has chickenpox, we are pretty sure, and I have a client who could call
at anytime. Wondering if you think it is
Many of the skills we learn don't
come from the uni itself, it's when we are on clinical placements and with our
follow thru woman that we learn the most. I am forever indebited to the woman
who have allowed me to be with them and to the amazing midwives who offer their
advice and support.
Further
to the ARM discussion whether we like it or not some women will ask for ARM
knowing all too well that it does significantly shorten labour!!! The full
review is available on the Cochrane website.lisa
Thanks
for that Lisa. In all the info I had read and been taught, the average was
Anyway, I hope my current perspective as a student is helpful.Jen
3rd year BMid, Melbourne
Thanks Jen for sharing. It is such a shame that
there is not the opportunity for practice of the theory you are learning. I was
just recently talking to a friend about that. She had brought it up
The system is
not perfect and in many cases is abhorrent, but comments such as yours makes one
wonder why one bothers at all!
How far does it go when
we discuss the traditional midwife? Are we all to be walking around drunk,
with warts on our noses?! Sorry couldnt help that!!
If you have had it then you can work with women, you should be immune now
this is the hospital policy at wch
Belinda
Thanks for that Belinda. It's especially good to hear of hospital policy as
I am sure most would have the same policy.
I was pretty definite that I couldn't carry it, just
Kirsten wroteAs for the debate on
VE's etc, just because we learn something does not mean we will all go out and
perform them every 5 minutes! There are many skills taught to us that could be
seen as unnecessary interventions, why as Andrea Robertson in the Midwife
Companion ( love this
I would also have to argue that many women out there who do not experience
the type of birth we desire or see as wonderful and achievable do not see
themselves as victims of an uncaring system. I would have to say that many
of the women in my study would be pissed off if you categorised them as
VEs are like perineal suturing and rupturing of membranes. They are a tool
in
the professional midwife's kit that should be used with caution,
judgement, humanity and great respect.
Hi,
I wanted to ask when, if ever, anyone would use ARM? From my understanding,
and I am completely open to
There is some strong correlational evidence to suggest a shortened labour
if ARM is performed late second stage or third stage and this may be of
Hi Trish or anyone that knows,
Could you please tell me where to find this evidence? This is contradictory
to what I have read and learned, so I
While I do not support the notion
that women desiring vbac are considered high risk or obstetric care, I do
believe that once a decision is made to augment and/or induce a labour then the
obstetrician needs to be consulted referred to and obstetric protocols need to
be followed if the
i would be happy to talk more, but would like to see what other midwives
think? MM
I am not a midwife ( though one day may be), but I too am interested to see
what others say.
The thought of VEs in labour makes me physically ill. I can still feel that
disgusting mans hand checking me while he and
Thought this would be an amazing
resource!
Love Abby
Dear Friends,
I'm thrilled to announce that I've just added a wonderful new DVD to my
bookstore: "Psalm Zoya - The Unassisted Homebirth of Our Twins," a film by
Mindy Goorchenko. After watching this film, I immediately ordered 20 copies.
fairly regularly get a message via ozmidwifery from
"Nataliedash" with an attachment and nothing in the body of the message. It
invariably has a virus. Maybe the list moderator could block this
sender?Lynda
Hi Lynda,
Nat has checked her machine and she has no viruses, she's not sure how it
Hi,
A woman on another list is moving to Mitcham SA and is 36 weeks. She is
looking at Flinders Medical Centre.
Does anyone know of anywhere good to go?
Love Abby
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We can help with options and so on. There is independant mw in the area
she
is going also.
cheers
Jo
ps when we gunna have that chat Abby? I will be away fro the next two
weeks so pencil me in your diary for the following weeks!
Thanks Jo. I passed on the Birth Matters number already and
Title: Put Midwifery Care on the Agenda Thurs Sep 30
I'll be there with bells on!!
Love Abby
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Brodie ; Hannah Dahlen ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; Lisa
Metcalfe ; Nicole Christensen ; MC NSW
You have got to read thismy favourite
part is where he says, "Home is the most dangerous place to have a baby. "
My mind is running trying to figure out where to start
with this bunch of BS!! Of course, it would be a male OB!!! When will they
learn.
- Original
I am not clear where this was sourced from - can you help me
out?
The letter was published in The Weekly Times in
Melbourne.
I recieved the email on the Joyous Birth list and
forwarded it on.
Is that the info you wanted?
Love Abby
Hi,
I know this is based on America, but it seems,
similiar attitudes are becoming more common here too.
Love Abby
(P.S. There are three parts to this.)
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" Controlling Delivery " Part 2By : John PopeOf
the New Orleans Times PicayuneWenner contributed
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" Controlling Delivery " Part 3By John Pope
Of New Orleans Times PicayuneContributing : David Wenner of
SOrry , but 53 emails is too many to deal
with. I'm going off list for a while till things are sorted out
Kirsten blacker
Wow Kirsten! You only get 53 emails? My husband is
happy if there are under 200 a day with all my lists! lol! It use to be about
800 till I unsubbed.
It will be good
I can hear my littleAkayrii calling
for me, so I best get to bed.Goodnight, thanks
for sparking the dream again!Love
Abby
Don't know what is going on, but I sent this email
at about midnight last night, seems my emails are taking ages to come
through??
love Abby
I was sent hate email for weeks by having
the ordasity to suggest some people are painting cs to be the easiest and safest
type of birth and perhaps that is a little concerning as it is not the
case.love Jo
Lol! I can imagine! One of my clients visits there
frequently and was telling me
Hi,
Is there any such thing in Australia? Or are they all connected to hospitals
or government run etc?
Is it legal to have a free standing birth centre, if we don't have any in
Australia?
Thanks
Love Abby
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That's why I asked.
Ever since I started really feeling "called" to
supporting women during pregnancy and birth I have been looking at different
ways women choose to birth.
Ultimately it would be AMAZING if the 99% of women
that could, would birth at home...though, I can't
Thought some of you wise women could help with a friends query. She has been
prescribed Prochiaden 25mg for depression and she is breastfeeding her 2
month old. She was worried about the side effects and what effects that
would have on bubs. I thought that most anti depressants would have similiar
Perhaps its time you turned the attention
and energy around and focus on yourself and look at what it is inside yourself
that you can't accept.
Is this really a serious comment? Because of the
fact that I strongly disagree with something, then there is something I need to
deal with.
Subject: Joyous Birth Big sigh :) This is lovely
http://www.freep.com/news/statewire/sw104008_20040910.htmGreat,
short homebirth story!
Love Abby
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Violence is perpetrated against women and children
all over the world, lets not equate abortion in this, lets make the world a
better place for women and children to be born into and to
live.
I'm not sure that I quite understand what you are saying,
but I think you are saying that we
Here are some, what I find, disturbing facts about
abortion in Australia.
-There are 100,000 abortions in Australia each year.-There are 800
abortions each week in NSW - approximately 40,000 annually.-There are
250,000 live births each year in Australia, which means that there are 2 aborted
Vegetarianism and abortion, I find that incredibly
ridiculous!
I just can't get this comment out of my head. It is
so ridiculous...so ridiculous that some women don't eat meat because
they don't want to harm or killan animal, yet they will willfully, and by
choice, harm and kill
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Monday, 13 September 2004 8:12 PMTo: Sarah BuckleySubject:
raffle to support Jeanine Parvati Baker, birthkeeper
Dear friends
I am organising the Australian branch of a US raffle to benefit my
friendand
Title: Re: [ozmidwifery] re: abortion etc
Abby, use your passion to work to reduce
unwanted pregnancies, rather than judge those who make such a difficult
choice.
Just wanted to make
it clear that I judge the action, not the woman. A very good
friend of mine had an abortion, I love her but
I don't find it ridiculous that you would
say it. Vegetarians are often held to much "higher" expectations than others,
but just in case you hadn't noticed they are human too and liable to all such
vagaries. Apparently refusing to eat animals or objecting to animal
cruelty implies one is
We are talking about a procedure much more akin to the removal of
unwanted/unviable flesh from a woman's body, to assess it from a purely
medical point of view.
I would love to hear this said to Gianna, the aborted fetus that lived to
tell of her story. How can we call, something two people have
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