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Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] students learning
If the woman invites the student to be there and the MIPP is happy
what prevents them from being there. Surely we are letting them know
what the real world is like and the reality is that MIPP are working
uninsured and having to cope
9:57 AM
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] students learning
For fyi, student midwives here in SA are *forbidden* to seek experience
of any kind with any independently practicing midwife, on threat of a
fail grade for the clinical topic /or expulsion from the course
Kirsten Dobbs wrote:
I can back up Kate, (as we attend the same uni!)
I have only ever been encouraged and supported to attend births with
independent midwives by our uni.
Kirsten
My apologies to all for casting aspersions on both uni's when it is one
that is forbidding students to work
all just part of the overall climate for midwifery and
birthing women in our country.
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I can back up Kate
: Kirsten Dobbs
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Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] students learning
I can back up Kate, (as we attend the same uni!)
I have only ever been encouraged and supported to attend births with
independent midwives
Justine Caines wrote:
Dear Liz
So nice to hear your honesty.
But what are you learning? None of this is about what women can do or
supporting them to achieve the best outcome, it is about protecting a system
and it's regular inhabitants. It is production-line birth.
Why not ask an
Jennifairy wrote:
Justine Caines wrote:
Dear Liz
So nice to hear your honesty.
But what are you learning? None of this is about what women can do or
supporting them to achieve the best outcome, it is about protecting a
system
and it's regular inhabitants. It is production-line birth.
Why
For fyi, student midwives here in SA are *forbidden* to seek experience
of any kind with any independently practicing midwife, on threat of a
fail grade for the clinical topic /or expulsion from the course.
While this is the case at one uni, it does not appear to be at the other
uni. We have
Andrew Bisits was one of the speakers at
the breech conference. He really seemed like someone who could keep normal
in the arena. Just talking to him and hearing how he manages breeches
all fours/kneeling active labour and that he is so involved with training. He
seems to have very
Hi Justine well im only starting that rotation tomorrow so im not really sure what it entails fully. i did do a final year medicine obstetrics rotation through sydney university though and it was truly appaling to be honest. it was not even compulsory to attend a single birth, it was all learning
, October 10, 2004 8:30 AM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Students, training and other things was Re:
uterine rupture 1998
Well said Liz. Although I can't and wouldn't speak on behalf of other
'nurse/midwives' (which incidentally is not how I see myself, but is a
common term used both here
How true,
enjoy it,
love, Liz.
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Yes, Liz, I completely agree. Thrilled to hear
what you meant by I wonder if
it is more difficult for them. Wonder if what is
more difficult?
Liz
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Good luck with finishing your course,
Liz.
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Hi Liz,
I was responding
, and political,
because it forms part of an historical change for the autonomy of
midwifery.
Good luck with finishing your course,
Liz.
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Hi Jen,
I was curious to ask what you meant by "I wonder if
it is more difficult for them". Wonder if what is more difficult?
Liz
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Thanks for the common sense Fiona! Well said.
Cheryl
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Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 09:22:33 +1000
Dear Abby,
I think
You have both said it all very well i
think.
marilyn
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Yes
Wonderfully saod trish. Please don't give up.
marilyn
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Sent: Monday, October 04, 2004 6:27 PM
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Abby, if I didn't
Hi Trish,
Abby, could I ask where you are studying midwifery???
I'm not studying midwifery, nor did I say that I was. I do know quite a few
students and midwives and have had numerous discussions with them about what
they do and don't learn.
I've read a fair bit about 'wise' women, don't
eir advice
and support. It is them all who i learn the most off, not textbooks, not the
uni.
Cheers,
Kirsten
Darwin.
~~~start life with a midwife~~~
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Subject: [ozmidwifery
Abby, if I didn't think I was trying to impart a degree of wisdom, and
assist students to find their own wisdom, together with the women (heard
of the follow-through experience???) and the lovely midwives in
hospitals who assist them with onsite learning, and the VERY occassional
homebirth midwife
As a current Bachelor of Midwifery (aka direct entry)student, I can tell you a little bit about my course.
I think everybody here agrees that there is no such thing as the perfect woman, the perfect midwife, or the perfect midwifery course. That said, I can promise you all that we have learnt
like
yourself.
Kirsten
Darwin.
~~~start life with a midwife~~~
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Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2004 10:57 AM
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Abby, if I
LOL Jen, there are sometimes i just can't be
quiet!
~~~start life with a midwife~~~
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Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Students,
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I agree with you Kirsten (in Darwin)!! Trish, go nowhere! You are an amazing
midwife/teacher/mentor/spokeswoman, and as one of your students, I don't feel as
though I could ask for a rounder or more balanced perspective from someone teaching
me. I think I will make a good midwife one day, in
Hi Trish,
Abby, if I didn't think I was trying to impart a degree of wisdom, and
assist students to find their own wisdom, together with the women (heard
of the follow-through experience???) and the lovely midwives in hospitals
who assist them with onsite learning, and the VERY occassional
Many of the skills we learn don't
come from the uni itself, it's when we are on clinical placements and with our
follow thru woman that we learn the most. I am forever indebited to the woman
who have allowed me to be with them and to the amazing midwives who offer their
advice and support.
Anyway, I hope my current perspective as a student is helpful.Jen
3rd year BMid, Melbourne
Thanks Jen for sharing. It is such a shame that
there is not the opportunity for practice of the theory you are learning. I was
just recently talking to a friend about that. She had brought it up
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Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2004 12:00 PM
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Hi Trish,
Abby, if I didn't think I was trying to impart a degree of wisdom, and
assist
Belinda,
This comment of yours really struck a chord with me - I'm glad it has been put out
there!
I would also have to argue that many women out there who do not
experience the type of birth we desire or see as wonderful and achievable do
not see themselves as victims of an uncaring
Kirsten wroteAs for the debate on
VE's etc, just because we learn something does not mean we will all go out and
perform them every 5 minutes! There are many skills taught to us that could be
seen as unnecessary interventions, why as Andrea Robertson in the Midwife
Companion ( love this
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Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Students,
training and other things was Re: uterine rupture 1998
Kirsten wroteAs for the debate on
VE's etc, just because we learn something does not mean we will all go out and
perform them every 5 minutes! There are many skills taught to us
I would also have to argue that many women out there who do not experience
the type of birth we desire or see as wonderful and achievable do not see
themselves as victims of an uncaring system. I would have to say that many
of the women in my study would be pissed off if you categorised them as
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