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Re: [ozmidwifery] FYI news articleGO KELLY!!! Just speak from the heart and have a few stats to throw in. Why not invite him for coffee and have a one or two women speak of their experiences?? Cheers Di - Original Message - From: Kelly @ BellyBelly To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2006 3:02 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] FYI news article Well what do you know - that big email I sent out to the pollies recently spilling all my guts on the horrific things going on in birth, breastfeeding and MCHN's CC'ing training - I finally have a reply from my local labor candidate and he's given me his mobile number to call him: You have raised many important issues that no email can do it justice. Can you give me a call and we can discuss the points raised. My best number is my mobile Will be an interesting discussion, he seems rather caring and receptive J Now I wish I knew a hell of a lot more than I do so I can put forward the most intelligent arguments!!! This is where I would love your brain Justine and your ability to think on your feet, no matter what discussion you are thrust into! At least I got what I asked for - no standard office replies! If only I can get one back from the liberal member for my area - the state opposition!!! J Best Regards, Kelly Zantey -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Justine Caines Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 11:12 PM To: OzMid List Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] FYI news article Hi Kelly I would really like to talk with you and perhaps Pinky off list to nut out some strategies on 'mainstreaming' 1-2-1 mid options and making our goals palatable 'out there'. I know you and Pinky have contact with some big players and I have often thought we need to maximise ay exposure (not saying you don't just would like to natter about it a bit!). Kind regards Justine
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Ooooh that's a great idea Di!!! I should try and arrange a time to do a face to face and invite some people :-) Hm who would I invite?!?!? Ps. Will call you tomorrow, meant to do so today but been flat out - chat then ;) Best Regards, Kelly Zantey Creator, http://www.bellybelly.com.au BellyBelly.com.au Conception, Pregnancy, Birth and Baby http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support BellyBelly Birth Support _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of diane Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2006 7:10 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] FYI news article GO KELLY!!! Just speak from the heart and have a few stats to throw in. Why not invite him for coffee and have a one or two women speak of their experiences?? Cheers Di - Original Message - From: Kelly @ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] BellyBelly To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2006 3:02 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] FYI news article Well what do you know - that big email I sent out to the pollies recently spilling all my guts on the horrific things going on in birth, breastfeeding and MCHN's CC'ing training - I finally have a reply from my local labor candidate and he's given me his mobile number to call him: You have raised many important issues that no email can do it justice. Can you give me a call and we can discuss the points raised. My best number is my mobile Will be an interesting discussion, he seems rather caring and receptive :-) Now I wish I knew a hell of a lot more than I do so I can put forward the most intelligent arguments!!! This is where I would love your brain Justine and your ability to think on your feet, no matter what discussion you are thrust into! At least I got what I asked for - no standard office replies! If only I can get one back from the liberal member for my area - the state opposition!!! :-) Best Regards, Kelly Zantey _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Justine Caines Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 11:12 PM To: OzMid List Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] FYI news article Hi Kelly I would really like to talk with you and perhaps Pinky off list to nut out some strategies on 'mainstreaming' 1-2-1 mid options and making our goals palatable 'out there'. I know you and Pinky have contact with some big players and I have often thought we need to maximise ay exposure (not saying you don't just would like to natter about it a bit!). Kind regards Justine
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Re: [ozmidwifery] FYI news articleWrong Di I think Kelly!! But you can call me if you like : ) cheers, Di (L) in Mackay - Original Message - From: Kelly @ BellyBelly To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2006 8:25 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] FYI news article Ooooh that's a great idea Di!!! I should try and arrange a time to do a face to face and invite some people J Hm who would I invite?!?!? Ps. Will call you tomorrow, meant to do so today but been flat out - chat then ;) Best Regards, Kelly Zantey Creator, BellyBelly.com.au Conception, Pregnancy, Birth and Baby BellyBelly Birth Support -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of diane Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2006 7:10 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] FYI news article GO KELLY!!! Just speak from the heart and have a few stats to throw in. Why not invite him for coffee and have a one or two women speak of their experiences?? Cheers Di - Original Message - From: Kelly @ BellyBelly To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2006 3:02 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] FYI news article Well what do you know - that big email I sent out to the pollies recently spilling all my guts on the horrific things going on in birth, breastfeeding and MCHN's CC'ing training - I finally have a reply from my local labor candidate and he's given me his mobile number to call him: You have raised many important issues that no email can do it justice. Can you give me a call and we can discuss the points raised. My best number is my mobile Will be an interesting discussion, he seems rather caring and receptive J Now I wish I knew a hell of a lot more than I do so I can put forward the most intelligent arguments!!! This is where I would love your brain Justine and your ability to think on your feet, no matter what discussion you are thrust into! At least I got what I asked for - no standard office replies! If only I can get one back from the liberal member for my area - the state opposition!!! J Best Regards, Kelly Zantey From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Justine Caines Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 11:12 PM To: OzMid List Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] FYI news article Hi Kelly I would really like to talk with you and perhaps Pinky off list to nut out some strategies on 'mainstreaming' 1-2-1 mid options and making our goals palatable 'out there'. I know you and Pinky have contact with some big players and I have often thought we need to maximise ay exposure (not saying you don't just would like to natter about it a bit!). Kind regards Justine
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LOL oops sorry - I am deliriously tired :-) Anyone else want some phone calls while I am at it?! :-) _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of diane Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 11:09 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] FYI news article Wrong Di I think Kelly!! But you can call me if you like : ) cheers, Di (L) in Mackay - Original Message - From: Kelly @ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] BellyBelly To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2006 8:25 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] FYI news article Ooooh that's a great idea Di!!! I should try and arrange a time to do a face to face and invite some people :-) Hm who would I invite?!?!? Ps. Will call you tomorrow, meant to do so today but been flat out - chat then ;) Best Regards, Kelly Zantey _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of diane Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2006 7:10 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] FYI news article GO KELLY!!! Just speak from the heart and have a few stats to throw in. Why not invite him for coffee and have a one or two women speak of their experiences?? Cheers Di - Original Message - From: Kelly @ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] BellyBelly To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2006 3:02 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] FYI news article Well what do you know - that big email I sent out to the pollies recently spilling all my guts on the horrific things going on in birth, breastfeeding and MCHN's CC'ing training - I finally have a reply from my local labor candidate and he's given me his mobile number to call him: You have raised many important issues that no email can do it justice. Can you give me a call and we can discuss the points raised. My best number is my mobile Will be an interesting discussion, he seems rather caring and receptive :-) Now I wish I knew a hell of a lot more than I do so I can put forward the most intelligent arguments!!! This is where I would love your brain Justine and your ability to think on your feet, no matter what discussion you are thrust into! At least I got what I asked for - no standard office replies! If only I can get one back from the liberal member for my area - the state opposition!!! :-) Best Regards, Kelly Zantey _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Justine Caines Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 11:12 PM To: OzMid List Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] FYI news article Hi Kelly I would really like to talk with you and perhaps Pinky off list to nut out some strategies on 'mainstreaming' 1-2-1 mid options and making our goals palatable 'out there'. I know you and Pinky have contact with some big players and I have often thought we need to maximise ay exposure (not saying you don't just would like to natter about it a bit!). Kind regards Justine
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Well what do you know - that big email I sent out to the pollies recently spilling all my guts on the horrific things going on in birth, breastfeeding and MCHN's CC'ing training - I finally have a reply from my local labor candidate and he's given me his mobile number to call him: You have raised many important issues that no email can do it justice. Can you give me a call and we can discuss the points raised. My best number is my mobile Will be an interesting discussion, he seems rather caring and receptive :-) Now I wish I knew a hell of a lot more than I do so I can put forward the most intelligent arguments!!! This is where I would love your brain Justine and your ability to think on your feet, no matter what discussion you are thrust into! At least I got what I asked for - no standard office replies! If only I can get one back from the liberal member for my area - the state opposition!!! :-) Best Regards, Kelly Zantey _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Justine Caines Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 11:12 PM To: OzMid List Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] FYI news article Hi Kelly I would really like to talk with you and perhaps Pinky off list to nut out some strategies on 'mainstreaming' 1-2-1 mid options and making our goals palatable 'out there'. I know you and Pinky have contact with some big players and I have often thought we need to maximise ay exposure (not saying you don't just would like to natter about it a bit!). Kind regards Justine
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Believe what you want Felicity and nice that you are defending your friend, but the fact is for the last week, I have had nothing but emails of support and encouragement in private (they think the conference is a brilliant idea) and this is the first negative response I have had. I must admit I expected more because people hate change generally and hate their thoughts and beliefs being challenged. So many have told me that I have said exactly what they have wanted to for such a very long time, but have been afraid to. So my thoughts arent at all alone in company I just wish they would speak up but obviously there is fear there for some reason or the other. Do you have any better ideas that you honestly think will work to change things? Joyous Birth is not for everyone, I know several amongst us who left as they felt attacked and intimidated as they didnt fit the JB mould (is that a good way to change and help?) and of course nor is my own site for everyone either people will be attracted to different things, I choose to try and help change peoples beliefs and not spend all my time in a forum of like-minded people this means going outside your comfort zone. As Henci Goer so bluntly opened with at the last homebirth conference, Were losing. Im not saying to market the whole thing to look cheap but to make it more appealing. I mean for goodness sakes, you have Obs hiring midwives to do their ante-natal appointments now how much worse does it have to get? Otherwise, carry on and those who do want to do things differently in an attempt to try something which might possibly work, will. (Ive removed my signature especially for you Felicity to prove to you that I am not in it for the advertising). From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stephen Felicity Sent: Friday, 22 September 2006 1:39 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] FYI news article I'm glad you're having such an awakening and feeling so motivated, Kelly; it's something many of us felt and began to act on a long time ago - welcome to the club, it's populated by many decades of women who continue to work hard to heal birth in our culture - which is a long, slow battle. We're all pretty aware of the situation and we're all working to the best of our own capacitys to improve it (some of us at no profit, by finance or publicity or otherwise,to ourselves). Some of your suggestions have been really worthwhile and quite exciting,but I have to admit that I'm losing my enthusiasm for them amid the sea of self promotional rhetoric that accompanies them - OzMid is not a promotional tool for BellyBelly and some posts on this list related to it have felt like advertising Spam in my InBox. I have to say I find your assumptions about Janet Fraserin particular to beoffensive. Do you actually know the totality ofwhat Janet does in her professional and personal capacity, or the widespread and rapidly growing effect Joyous Birth is having Australia wide, both in the mainstream and otherwise? It's nothing like one woman espousing her own views to the converted, and how utterly rude to dismiss the lifework of one of your sisters as being such. Every contribution counts and whilst I think I understand the point you're trying to make about reaching the mainstream, it's dangerous to begin tempering our message to better enable us to begin marketing it to the majority gratuitously - women and babies are not a market and our integrity is not for sale. I fear the overstepping of that invisible line that would transform us into nothing too different from the Obs and Hospys - big business, marketed to the masses (for instance, in my personal experience, your forum/site needs to compromise a lot in order to appeal to the larger membership you enjoy; this results in some less than optimal advertising and advice, and the sad loss of some wonderful contributions and items. Do the ends justify the means? That's a decision we each need to make, and your contribution is still significant, though not necessarily in the form I would personally choose for myself). What is the point of a message reaching more people if the message has had to be diluted and perhaps changed in order to get there? Nothing is simple and these aspects need to be considered. It is the various voices of all of us that shed light on darker areas of the topic; some more straightforward and uncompromising contributions may seem difficult to hear but they're usually the most valuable and evidence-based in my experience, and I enjoy them thoroughly. - Original Message - I dont think this got through last night Best Regards, Kelly Zantey Creator, BellyBelly.com.au Gentle Solutions From Conception to Parenthood BellyBelly Birth Support - http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support
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I- Every contribution counts and whilst I think I understand the point you're trying to make about reaching the mainstream, it's dangerous to begin tempering our message to better enable us to begin "marketing" it to the majority gratuitously - women and babies are not a market and our integrity is not for sale. I fear the overstepping of that invisible line that would transform us into nothing too different from the Obs and Hospys - big business, marketed to the masses (for instance, in my personal experience, your forum/site needs to compromise a lot in order to appeal to the larger membership you enjoy; this results in some less than optimal advertising and advice, and the sad loss of some wonderful contributions and items. Do the ends justify the means? That's a decision we each need to make, and your contribution is still significant, though not necessarily in the form I would personally choose for myself). What is the point of a message reaching more people if the message has had to be diluted and perhaps changed in order to get there? Nothing is simple and these aspects need to be considered. It is the various voices of all of us that shed light on darker areas of the topic; some more straightforward and uncompromising contributions may seem difficult to hear but they're usually the most valuable and evidence-based in my experience, and I enjoy them thoroughly. -- I agree totally with this. I could never agree with women going to a 5 star facility instead of going home or in fact not leaving their home at all, when we know this would prevent the need in the first place. I don't want my views to be dumbed down so that uniformed women can think they are more palitable. The women on the thread that was posted here weren't thinking of their pregnancy birth or baby but of the fantastic offer of 5 star accommodation. I just feel sorry for the reality that lies ahead for them after their awful birth ( published figures at Ashford the hospital in the storysection rate 49.9% instramental rate 16%) well I don't think they are going to be over subscribed since only 34% of women over the whole year birth normally. Some months none do. Lisa
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Beautifully said, Lisa. Thank you! J - Original Message - From: Lisa Barrett To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, September 22, 2006 4:11 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] FYI news article I- Every contribution counts and whilst I think I understand the point you're trying to make about reaching the mainstream, it's dangerous to begin tempering our message to better enable us to begin "marketing" it to the majority gratuitously - women and babies are not a market and our integrity is not for sale. I fear the overstepping of that invisible line that would transform us into nothing too different from the Obs and Hospys - big business, marketed to the masses (for instance, in my personal experience, your forum/site needs to compromise a lot in order to appeal to the larger membership you enjoy; this results in some less than optimal advertising and advice, and the sad loss of some wonderful contributions and items. Do the ends justify the means? That's a decision we each need to make, and your contribution is still significant, though not necessarily in the form I would personally choose for myself). What is the point of a message reaching more people if the message has had to be diluted and perhaps changed in order to get there? Nothing is simple and these aspects need to be considered. It is the various voices of all of us that shed light on darker areas of the topic; some more straightforward and uncompromising contributions may seem difficult to hear but they're usually the most valuable and evidence-based in my experience, and I enjoy them thoroughly. -- I agree totally with this. I could never agree with women going to a 5 star facility instead of going home or in fact not leaving their home at all, when we know this would prevent the need in the first place. I don't want my views to be dumbed down so that uniformed women can think they are more palitable. The women on the thread that was posted here weren't thinking of their pregnancy birth or baby but of the fantastic offer of 5 star accommodation. I just feel sorry for the reality that lies ahead for them after their awful birth ( published figures at Ashford the hospital in the storysection rate 49.9% instramental rate 16%) well I don't think they are going to be over subscribed since only 34% of women over the whole year birth normally. Some months none do. Lisa
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Not everyones home is a haven. For some it can represent other moreless savourythings, the least of being an ongoing place of toil, the worst being a place of fear and domestic violence. The memories flood of a half renovated (for 10 yrs), with no internal walls in places, no floor coverings, an outdoor loo, cockroaches and fleas in summer and endless piles of childrens washing waiting to be folded. Now I am home visiting womenafter the birth, (anytimefrom four hours after birth), and seeing much the same thing at times. So I guess although the five star option is there for those who can afford private cover, the gold star option of a midwife visiting them at home (so much as it sometimes is) is happening and available for those in a very low socioeconomic area. Soon whith our area moving to midwifery group practice, many of the women will have a known midwife visiting them, already I know many that I visit. To Janet and her supporters, your work is so valuable. JB is so valuable. BUT the tone of your posts is inflamatory and defensive. Guess what Felicity, even I ,who spends endless hours on the internet , had not heard of JB before joining this list, I have not seen the physical presence in the community or stumbled across it online at other times. To me that doesnt mean those who are on JB arent doing fantastic work, but so is Kelly, Pinky, Sarah Buckley, Andrea, Brenda Manning, Jan Cornfoot and all of the others who run commercial style programs. If women get the message, some education about normal birth, what does it matter. I dont find any of the information watered down, just presented in a gentle commercial style that women are used to. Whats wrong with marketing to the masses if the product is good? Isn't that what we want? More women having natural, satisfying births no matter the setting. They will still tell their friends it is possible and women will regain the ownership of birth, they will not see the need for an OB. We are all working towards the same end from different directions. This is an important aspect of facilitating change. If the 'long haired hairy leggged hippy homebirth faction' (the words of a friend of mine) are the only ones speaking then many will not hear BUT in any action it is important to have the vocal, radical faction to wave the banners, climb the trees etc to draw attention to the cause. I want to save the forests but wont sit in a tree, I will write letters to the pollies!. But thank God for the tree sitters for getting the media on to it! JB keep tree sitting, Kelly keep on keeping on. I first became interested in Midwifery 19yrs ago when preg with my second. I was a postnatally depressed out of work, impoverished electrician with a little baby and a bad relationship. Now that there is some mainstream discussion and commercial exposure I am finally starting to see some hope. 19yrs ago I was part of a group that tried to promote natural birth, this was before the internet, but not dissimilar to JB. That approach has been tapping away forever with small but significant gains. If there are enough women to support commercial enterprises that focus on natural birth, then we are definitely well on our way to success. There is no way that anyone could have made a living out ofnormal birth back then, andnow many are following their passion.If there are publicly funded homebirths happening, we are on our way to success. When we have things like this to bicker over, then we are on our way to success. We should be celebrating, not undermining each others success. Di - Original Message - From: Lisa Barrett To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, September 22, 2006 4:11 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] FYI news article I- Every contribution counts and whilst I think I understand the point you're trying to make about reaching the mainstream, it's dangerous to begin tempering our message to better enable us to begin "marketing" it to the majority gratuitously - women and babies are not a market and our integrity is not for sale. I fear the overstepping of that invisible line that would transform us into nothing too different from the Obs and Hospys - big business, marketed to the masses (for instance, in my personal experience, your forum/site needs to compromise a lot in order to appeal to the larger membership you enjoy; this results in some less than optimal advertising and advice, and the sad loss of some wonderful contributions and items. Do the ends justify the means? That's a decision we each need to make, and your contribution is still significant, though not necessarily in the form I would personally choose for myself). What is the point of a message reaching more people if the message has had to be diluted and perhaps changed in order to get there? Nothing
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'long haired hairy leggged hippy homebirth faction' Oh Diane that's a crack up, made me laugh a lot to hear that old furphy still getting a work out : ) Please let your friend know that statistically home birthing women are middle class and tertiary educated. Tree loving or leg shaving I cannot vouch for but maybe we should run polls on it. Funny how women who act from scientific evidence are depicted, isn't it?! : ) J - middle class, tertiary educated, lover of shoes, lipstick and home birth, never confused with a hippy when viewed in person : )
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LOL , was my response to her almost! - Original Message - From: Janet Fraser To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, September 22, 2006 6:28 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] FYI news article 'long haired hairy leggged hippy homebirth faction' Oh Diane that's a crack up, made me laugh a lot to hear that old furphy still getting a work out : ) Please let your friend know that statistically home birthing women are middle class and tertiary educated. Tree loving or leg shaving I cannot vouch for but maybe we should run polls on it. Funny how women who act from scientific evidence are depicted, isn't it?! : ) J - middle class, tertiary educated, lover of shoes, lipstick and home birth, never confused with a hippy when viewed in person : )
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- Original Message - From: Tania Smallwood To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, September 22, 2006 5:19 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] FYI news article I have worked as a Registered Nurse, in Psychiatry, and also as a Midwife, and I have never gotten used to the amount of internal bickering and horizontal violence that is perpetrated by women, towards other women. I can tell you from my experiences in these fields that Doctors do not sit around, discussing each others practice, bitching and moaning about whether they agree with someone’s philosophies. They might be unprofessional bastards some of the time, but they are united in their common goals, and in their public persona. As we fight internally about the best way to get women to see the light, they are there shining it brightly and the women are drawn to it clearly! I don’t think for a minute we should, as midwives and birth activists, see ourselves as having to sell out and become an entity that has no integrity or spirit in order to get the message across. But I do think that we all need to take a leaf out of some other professions books, and show a bit of respect to those that have gone before us, and encouragement for those that will pave the way ahead. Eating our young is no way to carry on the cause; it just further perpetuates the fragmentation that already exists. Let’s welcome Kelly, Janet, and everyone else who has the energy to do things a bit differently, and also keep our feet firmly planted on the ground, so we can continue to carry on getting the word out there in any way we can. Nicely said Tania, but you've got to admit there are just some days when you don't want to justify what you know is well researched and evidence based just to get the word out to people who are not interested. Lack of respect for everyone I don't think is in it. I have nothing but admiration for the work done by Kelly, Janet and everyone "working for the cause" but on a day to day basis it's wearing. On a day like today when I'm tired have a headache, quarelled with the husband due to my birth obsession I find it hard to see the middle ground. Slated by the uninformed is one thing but to be told to make it all more sellable and main stream just seems too hard. Take up insurance to make yourself more Profesional and get the women interested in whats on offer. Sell it like a business, move into the 21st centary. It doesn't seem to be about birth. Maybe it's just a bad day. Lisa Independent midwife.
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I think we are thinking the same things Lisajust saying them differently! Absolutely agree, I think we all have to keep in mind that even in a perfect world, where women all know and acknowledge what is truly best and safest, there will still be those that are not ready to hear it. Thats frustrating, but thats life. I think part of our challenge is to try and see when people are receptive to the information, and then get it across in a way that makes them see the sense in it, and want to know more. If women are closed to receiving it from us, or anyone else, then I think we need to respect that, and keep working at getting the information out there for those who are interested in searching. This doesnt always mean preaching to the converted; sometimes it just means having a presence and arousing some curiosity in someone who is open to thinking about it in a different way to the norm. I suppose, we need to keep it in perspective too, without losing the passion and drive, but realizing as Megan said, that if its only one woman affected positively, its a win. Keep the faith Lisa, we need you out there Tania x From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lisa Barrett Sent: Friday, 22 September 2006 9:35 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] FYI news article - Original Message - From: Tania Smallwood To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, September 22, 2006 5:19 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] FYI news article I have worked as a Registered Nurse, in Psychiatry, and also as a Midwife, and I have never gotten used to the amount of internal bickering and horizontal violence that is perpetrated by women, towards other women. I can tell you from my experiences in these fields that Doctors do not sit around, discussing each others practice, bitching and moaning about whether they agree with someones philosophies. They might be unprofessional bastards some of the time, but they are united in their common goals, and in their public persona. As we fight internally about the best way to get women to see the light, they are there shining it brightly and the women are drawn to it clearly! I dont think for a minute we should, as midwives and birth activists, see ourselves as having to sell out and become an entity that has no integrity or spirit in order to get the message across. But I do think that we all need to take a leaf out of some other professions books, and show a bit of respect to those that have gone before us, and encouragement for those that will pave the way ahead. Eating our young is no way to carry on the cause; it just further perpetuates the fragmentation that already exists. Lets welcome Kelly, Janet, and everyone else who has the energy to do things a bit differently, and also keep our feet firmly planted on the ground, so we can continue to carry on getting the word out there in any way we can. Nicely said Tania, but you've got to admit there are just some days when you don't want to justify what you know is well researched and evidence based just to get the word out to people who are not interested. Lack of respect for everyone I don't think is in it. I have nothing but admiration for the work done by Kelly, Janet and everyone working for the cause but on a day to day basis it's wearing. On a day like today when I'm tired have a headache, quarelled with the husband due to my birth obsession I find it hard to see the middle ground. Slated by the uninformed is one thing but to be told to make it all more sellable and main stream just seems too hard. Take up insurance to make yourself more Profesional and get the women interested in whats on offer. Sell it like a business, move into the 21st centary. It doesn't seem to be about birth. Maybe it's just a bad day. Lisa Independent midwife. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.7/454 - Release Date: 21/09/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.7/454 - Release Date: 21/09/2006
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GO MARY Luv Sadie - Original Message - From: Mary Murphy To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2006 6:51 AM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] FYI news article Tania rightly says I have never gotten used to the amount of internal bickering and horizontal violence that is perpetrated by women, towards other women. CAN WE PLEASE STOP THIS! This juvenile attitude has split the womens movement, the homebirth movement and every other collection of women I have seen and read about. 23 yrs as a homebirth midwife sees me still providing care for women who previously didnt know 1-2-1 care existed, and believe me, I have tried every promotional trick in the book including interviews with TV, newspapers, magazines etc over time. We all need to put our energy into supporting the women who contact us AND EACH OTHER. Tania and others have said it all, so lets get back to work. MM --No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.7/454 - Release Date: 21/09/2006 --No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.7/454 - Release Date: 21/09/2006
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Frankly it appals me that people think it's ok for health funds to cover this crap that should be a luxury we pay for ourselves. What about some equity of health care in this country? How about health funds pay for proper midwifery not bloody hotels.I think it's nauseating. Maybe if only SICK women, as opposed to BIRTHING women,were in hospital beds we wouldn't have a perceived need for luxury frigging hotels as a back up. And the whole mindset of having a rest with your other kids somewhere else escapes me. Fark yucko. J - Original Message - From: Kelly @ BellyBelly To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 12:20 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] FYI news article I posted the article on my forums, here is what women think of the idea be it what you agree with or not this is what THEY think so maybe we can get some ideas or learn something from this: http://www.bellybelly.com.au/forums/showthread.php?p=439579 Best Regards,Kelly ZanteyCreator, BellyBelly.com.au Gentle Solutions From Conception to ParenthoodBellyBelly Birth Support - http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mary MurphySent: Thursday, 21 September 2006 8:27 AMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: RE: [ozmidwifery] FYI news articleImportance: High The Caroline flint you have contacted is a politician, not the midwife. Try putting midwife in front of the google search. It is confusing to have two high profile people with the same name. MM From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Vedrana ValcicSent: Wednesday, 20 September 2006 6:11 PMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: RE: [ozmidwifery] FYI news article Where can I find out more about her marketing strategies? Midwives in Croatia would certainly appreciate info about effective marketing strategies. I found this site: http://www.carolineflint.co.uk/news/news.htm, but I dont know if there is something more detailed. Vedrana From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Mary MurphySent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 11:11 AMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: RE: [ozmidwifery] FYI news article The woman who best markets midwifery is Caroline Flint in the UK. We should copy her marketing strategies. MM Kelly says..If we want women to accept and value the midwife then it needs to be marketed better, it needs to be trendy and jazzed up! Not just a choice being two sides of the fence with opposing views as it is now. And they want to know what it will do for THEM and what THEY will get out of it. At the moment there are very many women who do not see birth as something that needs to be in the home or is safe in home thats just a fact which we have to work on.
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I could be on the wrong track here. but perhaps at the bottom of all this is somewomen's desire (maybe subconsciously) for something special (the 5 star hotel)to acknowledge what an amazing person she is to be a mother and to have birthed a baby.Unlike some other cultures, our society as a whole doesn't seem to value mothers very highly. "What does she do?Oh she just had kids.." Even women themselves often identify themselves as 'just a mum' or 'just a housewife'. Maybe if women were acknowledged and celebrated in other ways for the wonderful work they do in birthing and mothering and provided with excellent support, staying in a 5 star hotel wouldn't be so appealing.Cheers Michelle"Kelly @ BellyBelly" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:I posted the article on my forums, here is what women think of the idea be it what you agree with or not this is what THEY think so maybe we can get some ideas or learn something from this: http://www.bellybelly.com.au/forums/showthread.php?p=439579Best Regards,Kelly ZanteyCreator, BellyBelly.com.au Gentle Solutions From Conception to ParenthoodBellyBelly Birth Support - http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mary MurphySent: Thursday, 21 September 2006 8:27 AMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: RE: [ozmidwifery] FYI news articleImportance: HighThe Caroline flint you have contacted is a politician, not the midwife. Try putting midwife in front of the google search. It is confusing to have two high profile people with the same name. MMFrom: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Vedrana ValcicSent: Wednesday, 20 September 2006 6:11 PMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: RE: [ozmidwifery] FYI news articleWhere can I find out more about her marketing strategies? Midwives in Croatia would certainly appreciate info about effective marketing strategies. I found this site: http://www.carolineflint.co.uk/news/news.htm, but I dont know if there is something more detailed. VedranaFrom: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Mary MurphySent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 11:11 AMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: RE: [ozmidwifery] FYI news articleThe woman who best markets midwifery is Caroline Flint in the UK. We should copy her marketing strategies. MM Kelly says..If we want women to accept and value the midwife then it needs to be marketed better, it needs to be trendy and jazzed up! Not just a choice being two sides of the fence with opposing views as it is now. And they want to know what it will do for THEM and what THEY will get out of it. At the moment there are very many women who do not see birth as something that needs to be in the home or is safe in home thats just a fact which we have to work on. On Yahoo!7 Messenger: Make free PC-to-PC calls to your friends overseas.
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And the whole mindset of having a rest with your other kids somewhere else escapes me. Fark yucko. I wouldnt want to be away from my kids, but its because the problem lies far deeper than a matter of resting up at a hotel. Its because far too many mothers do not have support, community and husbands working longer hours every week. They are desperate for a break, nurturing etc and they are not getting it. Need to work on the root cause of this not the symptoms. Big ask. Best Regards, Kelly Zantey Creator, BellyBelly.com.au Gentle Solutions From Conception to Parenthood BellyBelly Birth Support - http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Janet Fraser Sent: Thursday, 21 September 2006 6:21 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] FYI news article Frankly it appals me that people think it's ok for health funds to cover this crap that should be a luxury we pay for ourselves. What about some equity of health care in this country? How about health funds pay for proper midwifery not bloody hotels.I think it's nauseating. Maybe if only SICK women, as opposed to BIRTHING women,were in hospital beds we wouldn't have a perceived need for luxury frigging hotels as a back up. And the whole mindset of having a rest with your other kids somewhere else escapes me. Fark yucko. J - Original Message - From: Kelly @ BellyBelly To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 12:20 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] FYI news article I posted the article on my forums, here is what women think of the idea be it what you agree with or not this is what THEY think so maybe we can get some ideas or learn something from this: http://www.bellybelly.com.au/forums/showthread.php?p=439579 Best Regards, Kelly Zantey Creator, BellyBelly.com.au Gentle Solutions From Conception to Parenthood BellyBelly Birth Support - http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mary Murphy Sent: Thursday, 21 September 2006 8:27 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] FYI news article Importance: High The Caroline flint you have contacted is a politician, not the midwife. Try putting midwife in front of the google search. It is confusing to have two high profile people with the same name. MM From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Vedrana Valcic Sent: Wednesday, 20 September 2006 6:11 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] FYI news article Where can I find out more about her marketing strategies? Midwives in Croatia would certainly appreciate info about effective marketing strategies. I found this site: http://www.carolineflint.co.uk/news/news.htm, but I dont know if there is something more detailed. Vedrana From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Mary Murphy Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 11:11 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] FYI news article The woman who best markets midwifery is Caroline Flint in the UK. We should copy her marketing strategies. MM Kelly says..If we want women to accept and value the midwife then it needs to be marketed better, it needs to be trendy and jazzed up! Not just a choice being two sides of the fence with opposing views as it is now. And they want to know what it will do for THEM and what THEY will get out of it. At the moment there are very many women who do not see birth as something that needs to be in the home or is safe in home thats just a fact which we have to work on.
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I think you couldnt be more on the right track Michelle. Its all a symptom of a major problem which is going to take something big to fix, and for those who are fortunate to have that, to understand. Best Regards, Kelly Zantey Creator, BellyBelly.com.au Gentle Solutions From Conception to Parenthood BellyBelly Birth Support - http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michelle Windsor Sent: Thursday, 21 September 2006 5:23 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] FYI news article I could be on the wrong track here. but perhaps at the bottom of all this is somewomen's desire (maybe subconsciously) for something special (the 5 star hotel)to acknowledge what an amazing person she is to be a mother and to have birthed a baby.Unlike some other cultures, our society as a whole doesn't seem to value mothers very highly. What does she do?Oh she just had kids.. Even women themselves often identify themselves as 'just a mum' or 'just a housewife'. Maybe if women were acknowledged and celebrated in other ways for the wonderful work they do in birthing and mothering and provided with excellent support, staying in a 5 star hotel wouldn't be so appealing. Cheers Michelle Kelly @ BellyBelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I posted the article on my forums, here is what women think of the idea be it what you agree with or not this is what THEY think so maybe we can get some ideas or learn something from this: http://www.bellybelly.com.au/forums/showthread.php?p=439579 Best Regards, Kelly Zantey Creator, BellyBelly.com.au Gentle Solutions From Conception to Parenthood BellyBelly Birth Support - http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mary Murphy Sent: Thursday, 21 September 2006 8:27 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] FYI news article Importance: High The Caroline flint you have contacted is a politician, not the midwife. Try putting midwife in front of the google search. It is confusing to have two high profile people with the same name. MM From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Vedrana Valcic Sent: Wednesday, 20 September 2006 6:11 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] FYI news article Where can I find out more about her marketing strategies? Midwives in Croatia would certainly appreciate info about effective marketing strategies. I found this site: http://www.carolineflint.co.uk/news/news.htm, but I dont know if there is something more detailed. Vedrana From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Mary Murphy Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 11:11 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] FYI news article The woman who best markets midwifery is Caroline Flint in the UK. We should copy her marketing strategies. MM Kelly says..If we want women to accept and value the midwife then it needs to be marketed better, it needs to be trendy and jazzed up! Not just a choice being two sides of the fence with opposing views as it is now. And they want to know what it will do for THEM and what THEY will get out of it. At the moment there are very many women who do not see birth as something that needs to be in the home or is safe in home thats just a fact which we have to work on. On Yahoo!7 Messenger: Make free PC-to-PC calls to your friends overseas.
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Women can find community though like in many forums where friendships and practical support abound, meals are cooked, children cared for and all without some unquestioning consumerism coming into play. Playgroups, ABA groups, forums, primary schools, birth groups are all good places for the kind of support desparately lacking in our lives.Maybe you could encourage meal provision among your DDCs?Denying the sacredness of birth and women is what has led us to this silly fake idea that a 5 star hotel makes up for that lack of respect and support we are accorded in pregnancy and birth. It's likethe really consumerist baby shower instead of a woman-focussed blessingway or motherway. It's really sad that we live in a world where care by complete strangers is a treat and one from which our other children are removed. J - Original Message - From: Kelly @ BellyBelly To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 7:18 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] FYI news article And the whole mindset of having a rest with your other kids somewhere else escapes me. Fark yucko. I wouldnt want to be away from my kids, but its because the problem lies far deeper than a matter of resting up at a hotel. Its because far too many mothers do not have support, community and husbands working longer hours every week. They are desperate for a break, nurturing etc and they are not getting it. Need to work on the root cause of this not the symptoms. Big ask. Best Regards,Kelly ZanteyCreator, BellyBelly.com.au Gentle Solutions From Conception to ParenthoodBellyBelly Birth Support - http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Janet FraserSent: Thursday, 21 September 2006 6:21 PMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: Re: [ozmidwifery] FYI news article Frankly it appals me that people think it's ok for health funds to cover this crap that should be a luxury we pay for ourselves. What about some equity of health care in this country? How about health funds pay for proper midwifery not bloody hotels.I think it's nauseating. Maybe if only SICK women, as opposed to BIRTHING women,were in hospital beds we wouldn't have a perceived need for luxury frigging hotels as a back up. And the whole mindset of having a rest with your other kids somewhere else escapes me. Fark yucko. J - Original Message - From: Kelly @ BellyBelly To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 12:20 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] FYI news article I posted the article on my forums, here is what women think of the idea be it what you agree with or not this is what THEY think so maybe we can get some ideas or learn something from this: http://www.bellybelly.com.au/forums/showthread.php?p=439579 Best Regards,Kelly ZanteyCreator, BellyBelly.com.au Gentle Solutions From Conception to ParenthoodBellyBelly Birth Support - http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mary MurphySent: Thursday, 21 September 2006 8:27 AMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: RE: [ozmidwifery] FYI news articleImportance: High The Caroline flint you have contacted is a politician, not the midwife. Try putting midwife in front of the google search. It is confusing to have two high profile people with the same name. MM From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Vedrana ValcicSent: Wednesday, 20 September 2006 6:11 PMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: RE: [ozmidwifery] FYI news article Where can I find out more about her marketing strategies? Midwives in Croatia would certainly appreciate info about effective marketing strategies. I found this site: http://www.carolineflint.co.uk/news/news.htm, but I dont know if there is something more detailed. Vedrana From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Mary MurphySent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 11:11 AMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: RE: [ozmidwifery] FYI news article The woman who best markets midwifery is Caroline Flint in the UK. We should copy her marketing strategies. MM Kelly says..If we want women to accept and value the midwife then it needs to be marketed better, it needs to be trendy and jazzed up! Not just a choice being two sides of the fence with opposing views as it is now
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Absolutely! I know I love to be with my family, but throw in great meals, a spa bath and a midwife to help in an environment where I would do nothing but rest and care for bub, not home where the washing is piling up and the other kids are getting bored. Hmm, why not a luxury midwifery led post natal unit? Surely the health funds would pay for that? BB with a kids club and a midwife on call, sounds like a lovely babymoon. Di PS: Kelly I would be keen on the marketing workshops. Just thinking on the three things. - Original Message - From: Michelle Windsor To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 5:23 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] FYI news article I could be on the wrong track here. but perhaps at the bottom of all this is somewomen's desire (maybe subconsciously) for something special (the 5 star hotel)to acknowledge what an amazing person she is to be a mother and to have birthed a baby.Unlike some other cultures, our society as a whole doesn't seem to value mothers very highly. "What does she do?Oh she just had kids.." Even women themselves often identify themselves as 'just a mum' or 'just a housewife'. Maybe if women were acknowledged and celebrated in other ways for the wonderful work they do in birthing and mothering and provided with excellent support, staying in a 5 star hotel wouldn't be so appealing. Cheers Michelle"Kelly @ BellyBelly" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I posted the article on my forums, here is what women think of the idea be it what you agree with or not this is what THEY think so maybe we can get some ideas or learn something from this: http://www.bellybelly.com.au/forums/showthread.php?p=439579 Best Regards,Kelly ZanteyCreator, BellyBelly.com.au Gentle Solutions From Conception to ParenthoodBellyBelly Birth Support - http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mary MurphySent: Thursday, 21 September 2006 8:27 AMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: RE: [ozmidwifery] FYI news articleImportance: High The Caroline flint you have contacted is a politician, not the midwife. Try putting midwife in front of the google search. It is confusing to have two high profile people with the same name. MM From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Vedrana ValcicSent: Wednesday, 20 September 2006 6:11 PMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: RE: [ozmidwifery] FYI news article Where can I find out more about her marketing strategies? Midwives in Croatia would certainly appreciate info about effective marketing strategies. I found this site: http://www.carolineflint.co.uk/news/news.htm, but I dont know if there is something more detailed. Vedrana From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Mary MurphySent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 11:11 AMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: RE: [ozmidwifery] FYI news article The woman who best markets midwifery is Caroline Flint in the UK. We should copy her marketing strategies. MM Kelly says..If we want women to accept and value the midwife then it needs to be marketed better, it needs to be trendy and jazzed up! Not just a choice being two sides of the fence with opposing views as it is now. And they want to know what it will do for THEM and what THEY will get out of it. At the moment there are very many women who do not see birth as something that needs to be in the home or is safe in home thats just a fact which we have to work on. On Yahoo!7Messenger: Make free PC-to-PC calls to your friends overseas.
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I agree. When women have woman centered care and feel nurtured throughout the pregnancy and birth ie. one to one mid. care this need is fulfilled. Pauline From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Michelle Windsor Sent: 21 September 2006 15:23 To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] FYI news article I could be on the wrong track here. but perhaps at the bottom of all this is somewomen's desire (maybe subconsciously) for something special (the 5 star hotel)to acknowledge what an amazing person she is to be a mother and to have birthed a baby.Unlike some other cultures, our society as a whole doesn't seem to value mothers very highly. What does she do?Oh she just had kids.. Even women themselves often identify themselves as 'just a mum' or 'just a housewife'. Maybe if women were acknowledged and celebrated in other ways for the wonderful work they do in birthing and mothering and provided with excellent support, staying in a 5 star hotel wouldn't be so appealing. Cheers Michelle Kelly @ BellyBelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I posted the article on my forums, here is what women think of the idea be it what you agree with or not this is what THEY think so maybe we can get some ideas or learn something from this: http://www.bellybelly.com.au/forums/showthread.php?p=439579 Best Regards, Kelly Zantey Creator, BellyBelly.com.au Gentle Solutions From Conception to Parenthood BellyBelly Birth Support - http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Mary Murphy Sent: Thursday, 21 September 2006 8:27 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] FYI news article Importance: High The Caroline flint you have contacted is a politician, not the midwife. Try putting midwife in front of the google search. It is confusing to have two high profile people with the same name. MM From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Vedrana Valcic Sent: Wednesday, 20 September 2006 6:11 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] FYI news article Where can I find out more about her marketing strategies? Midwives in Croatia would certainly appreciate info about effective marketing strategies. I found this site: http://www.carolineflint.co.uk/news/news.htm, but I dont know if there is something more detailed. Vedrana From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Mary Murphy Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 11:11 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] FYI news article The woman who best markets midwifery is Caroline Flint in the UK. We should copy her marketing strategies. MM Kelly says..If we want women to accept and value the midwife then it needs to be marketed better, it needs to be trendy and jazzed up! Not just a choice being two sides of the fence with opposing views as it is now. And they want to know what it will do for THEM and what THEY will get out of it. At the moment there are very many women who do not see birth as something that needs to be in the home or is safe in home thats just a fact which we have to work on. On Yahoo!7 Messenger: Make free PC-to-PC calls to your friends overseas.
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Hi Michelle That's a nice thought but what it boils down to in its simplest form is business development. It's all about getting women out of hospital in a couple of days to free up beds. The more beds you free up quickly, the more bookings you can take and the more revenue you generate, especially for hospitals that have 'mixed women's health' wards. Gynae generates MUCH more revenue than maternity - slip in a few 'day cases' or larger 'procedures', or more commonly, another Caesar or twowith the extra revenue earned by babies with 'RDS' admissions (Please excuse the language - I do not mean to objectify mothers and babies - just speaking the language of business) to nursery and bingo! Muchas doleros! It is stillcheaper to stay in a nice hotel than a hospital beds, and in monetary terms, everyone benefits. This would have been much more widespread had the logistics of having a suitable hotelclose by and staffing issues and not got in the way. I am sure this package was marketed beautifully. You are right Michelle - women should not have to go to a hotel forsomething special - I agree wholeheartedly with you that they should be acknowledged and birth and motherhood celebrated in more meaningful and longer lasting ways than a few days stay in a plush hotel. Good morning everyone! Regards, Lynne - Original Message - From: Michelle Windsor To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 5:23 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] FYI news article I could be on the wrong track here. but perhaps at the bottom of all this is somewomen's desire (maybe subconsciously) for something special (the 5 star hotel)to acknowledge what an amazing person she is to be a mother and to have birthed a baby.Unlike some other cultures, our society as a whole doesn't seem to value mothers very highly. "What does she do?Oh she just had kids.." Even women themselves often identify themselves as 'just a mum' or 'just a housewife'. Maybe if women were acknowledged and celebrated in other ways for the wonderful work they do in birthing and mothering and provided with excellent support, staying in a 5 star hotel wouldn't be so appealing. Cheers Michelle"Kelly @ BellyBelly" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I posted the article on my forums, here is what women think of the idea be it what you agree with or not this is what THEY think so maybe we can get some ideas or learn something from this: http://www.bellybelly.com.au/forums/showthread.php?p=439579 Best Regards,Kelly ZanteyCreator, BellyBelly.com.au Gentle Solutions From Conception to ParenthoodBellyBelly Birth Support - http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mary MurphySent: Thursday, 21 September 2006 8:27 AMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: RE: [ozmidwifery] FYI news articleImportance: High The Caroline flint you have contacted is a politician, not the midwife. Try putting midwife in front of the google search. It is confusing to have two high profile people with the same name. MM From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Vedrana ValcicSent: Wednesday, 20 September 2006 6:11 PMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: RE: [ozmidwifery] FYI news article Where can I find out more about her marketing strategies? Midwives in Croatia would certainly appreciate info about effective marketing strategies. I found this site: http://www.carolineflint.co.uk/news/news.htm, but I dont know if there is something more detailed. Vedrana From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Mary MurphySent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 11:11 AMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: RE: [ozmidwifery] FYI news article The woman who best markets midwifery is Caroline Flint in the UK. We should copy her marketing strategies. MM Kelly says..If we want women to accept and value the midwife then it needs to be marketed better, it needs to be trendy and jazzed up! Not just a choice being two sides of the fence with opposing views as it is now. And they want to know what it will do for THEM and what THEY will get out of it. At the moment there are very many women who do not see birth as something that needs to be in the home or is safe in home thats just a fact which we have to work on. On Yahoo!7Messenger: Make free PC-to-PC calls to your friends overseas.
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Hi Pauline there is something called 'Night Nannies, I saw something on the tv about this a few weeks agodon't think they were midwives though Katrina On 21/09/2006, at 8:52 PM, Pauline Moore wrote: x-tad-smallerDid I see somewhere that midwives (through an agency) were going into women’s homes and helping women with their new babies (through the night), at a cost of course? Sydney I think./x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerPauline/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smaller /x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerFrom:/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] /x-tad-smallerx-tad-smallerOn Behalf Of /x-tad-smallerx-tad-smallerdiane/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerSent:/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller 21 September 2006 17:44/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerTo:/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerSubject:/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller Re: [ozmidwifery] FYI news article/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerAbsolutely! I know I love to be with my family, but throw in great meals, a spa bath and a midwife to help in an environment where I would do nothing but rest and care for bub, not home where the washing is piling up and the other kids are getting bored. Hmm, why not a luxury midwifery led post natal unit? Surely the health funds would pay for that? BB with a kids club and a midwife on call, sounds like a lovely babymoon./x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerDi/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerPS: Kelly I would be keen on the marketing workshops. Just thinking on the three things./x-tad-smaller x-tad-smaller- Original Message -/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerFrom:/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller /x-tad-smallerx-tad-smallerMichelle Windsor/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller /x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerTo:/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller /x-tad-smallerx-tad-smallerozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller /x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerSent:/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller Thursday, September 21, 2006 5:23 PM/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerSubject:/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller RE: [ozmidwifery] FYI news article/x-tad-smaller I could be on the wrong track here. but perhaps at the bottom of all this is some women's desire (maybe subconsciously) for something special (the 5 star hotel) to acknowledge what an amazing person she is to be a mother and to have birthed a baby. Unlike some other cultures, our society as a whole doesn't seem to value mothers very highly. What does she do? Oh she just had kids.. Even women themselves often identify themselves as 'just a mum' or 'just a housewife'. Maybe if women were acknowledged and celebrated in other ways for the wonderful work they do in birthing and mothering and provided with excellent support, staying in a 5 star hotel wouldn't be so appealing. Cheers Michelle Kelly @ BellyBelly [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: x-tad-smallerI posted the article on my forums, here is what women think of the idea – be it what you agree with or not – this is what THEY think so maybe we can get some ideas or learn something from this: /x-tad-smallerx-tad-smallerhttp://www.bellybelly.com.au/forums/showthread.php?p=439579/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerBest Regards,/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerKelly Zantey/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smaller Creator, /x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller /x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerGentle Solutions From Conception to Parenthood/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerBellyBelly Birth Support/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller - http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerFrom:/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] /x-tad-smallerx-tad-smallerOn Behalf Of /x-tad-smallerx-tad-smallerMary Murphy/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerSent:/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller Thursday, 21 September 2006 8:27 AM/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerTo:/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerSubject:/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller RE: [ozmidwifery] FYI news article/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerImportance:/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller High/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerThe Caroline flint you have contacted is a politician, not the midwife. Try putting midwife in front of the google search. It is confusing to have two high profile people with the same name. MM/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smaller /x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerFrom:/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] /x-tad-smallerx-tad-smallerOn Behalf Of /x-tad-smallerx-tad-smallerVedrana Valcic/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerSent:/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller Wednesday, 20 September 2006 6:11 PM/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerTo:/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerSubject:/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller RE: [ozmidwifery] FYI news article/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerWhere can I find out more about her marketing strategies? Midwives in Croatia would certainly appreciate info about effective marketing strategies. I found this site: /x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller, but I don’t k
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Kelly my personal opinion has no impact on the mainstream because I choose to mitigate it into support for women though that doesn't mean I also support women's choices when they are actively dangerous or unthinking. I choose to say little at all in that scenario.In a setting like ozmid where hopefully we can talk about stuff like big people and not have to play that game, I choose to say what I really think. I had NO support as a first time mother, (A TF from a hb where trauma occurs means I was pretty unpopular in the very small and then disparate hb community in Melbourne at that time) so yes, I really do "get it" but I chose to go look for it and when there wasn't any, I created it in Joyous Birth which now supports all those many women in many ways. I'm sorry your own journey made it hard for you to accept support, not all of us choose to do it the hard way ; ) My personal opinion isn't going to offend the mamas on your forum because I don't post it there. J
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I'm glad you're having such an awakening and feeling so motivated, Kelly; it's something many of us felt and began to act on a long time ago - welcome to the club, it's populated by many decades of women who continue to work hard to heal birth in our culture - which is a long, slow battle. We're all pretty aware of the situation and we're all working to the best of our own capacitys to improve it (some of us at no profit, by finance or publicity or otherwise,to ourselves). Some of your suggestions have been really worthwhile and quite exciting,but I have to admit that I'm losing my enthusiasm for them amid the sea of self promotional rhetoric that accompanies them - OzMid is not a promotional tool for BellyBelly and some posts on this list related to it have felt like advertising Spam in my InBox. I have to say I find your assumptions about Janet Fraserin particular to beoffensive. Do you actually know the totality ofwhat Janet does in her professional and personal capacity, or the widespread and rapidly growing effect Joyous Birth is having Australia wide, both in the mainstream and otherwise? It's nothing like one woman espousing her own views to the converted, and how utterly rude to dismiss the lifework of one of your sisters as being such. Every contribution counts and whilst I think I understand the point you're trying to make about reaching the mainstream, it's dangerous to begin tempering our message to better enable us to begin "marketing" it to the majority gratuitously - women and babies are not a market and our integrity is not for sale. I fear the overstepping of that invisible line that would transform us into nothing too different from the Obs and Hospys - big business, marketed to the masses (for instance, in my personal experience, your forum/site needs to compromise a lot in order to appeal to the larger membership you enjoy; this results in some less than optimal advertising and advice, and the sad loss of some wonderful contributions and items. Do the ends justify the means? That's a decision we each need to make, and your contribution is still significant, though not necessarily in the form I would personally choose for myself). What is the point of a message reaching more people if the message has had to be diluted and perhaps changed in order to get there? Nothing is simple and these aspects need to be considered. It is the various voices of all of us that shed light on darker areas of the topic; some more straightforward and uncompromising contributions may seem difficult to hear but they're usually the most valuable and evidence-based in my experience, and I enjoy them thoroughly. - Original Message - I dont think this got through last night Best Regards,Kelly ZanteyCreator, BellyBelly.com.au Gentle Solutions From Conception to ParenthoodBellyBelly Birth Support - http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support
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The woman who best markets midwifery is Caroline Flint in the UK. We should copy her marketing strategies. MM Kelly says..If we want women to accept and value the midwife then it needs to be marketed better, it needs to be trendy and jazzed up! Not just a choice being two sides of the fence with opposing views as it is now. And they want to know what it will do for THEM and what THEY will get out of it. At the moment there are very many women who do not see birth as something that needs to be in the home or is safe in home thats just a fact which we have to work on.
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Where can I find out more about her marketing strategies? Midwives in Croatia would certainly appreciate info about effective marketing strategies. I found this site: http://www.carolineflint.co.uk/news/news.htm, but I dont know if there is something more detailed. Vedrana From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Mary Murphy Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 11:11 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] FYI news article The woman who best markets midwifery is Caroline Flint in the UK. We should copy her marketing strategies. MM Kelly says..If we want women to accept and value the midwife then it needs to be marketed better, it needs to be trendy and jazzed up! Not just a choice being two sides of the fence with opposing views as it is now. And they want to know what it will do for THEM and what THEY will get out of it. At the moment there are very many women who do not see birth as something that needs to be in the home or is safe in home thats just a fact which we have to work on.
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Maybe contact Caroline herself through that site? Good luck. She is a very generous person. MM From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Vedrana Valcic Sent: Wednesday, 20 September 2006 6:11 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] FYI news article Where can I find out more about her marketing strategies? Midwives in Croatia would certainly appreciate info about effective marketing strategies. I found this site: http://www.carolineflint.co.uk/news/news.htm, but I dont know if there is something more detailed. Vedrana From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Mary Murphy Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 11:11 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] FYI news article The woman who best markets midwifery is Caroline Flint in the UK. We should copy her marketing strategies. MM Kelly says..If we want women to accept and value the midwife then it needs to be marketed better, it needs to be trendy and jazzed up! Not just a choice being two sides of the fence with opposing views as it is now. And they want to know what it will do for THEM and what THEY will get out of it. At the moment there are very many women who do not see birth as something that needs to be in the home or is safe in home thats just a fact which we have to work on.
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Thank you J! Vedrana From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Mary Murphy Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 12:31 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] FYI news article Maybe contact Caroline herself through that site? Good luck. She is a very generous person. MM From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Vedrana Valcic Sent: Wednesday, 20 September 2006 6:11 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] FYI news article Where can I find out more about her marketing strategies? Midwives in Croatia would certainly appreciate info about effective marketing strategies. I found this site: http://www.carolineflint.co.uk/news/news.htm, but I dont know if there is something more detailed. Vedrana From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Mary Murphy Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 11:11 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] FYI news article The woman who best markets midwifery is Caroline Flint in the UK. We should copy her marketing strategies. MM Kelly says..If we want women to accept and value the midwife then it needs to be marketed better, it needs to be trendy and jazzed up! Not just a choice being two sides of the fence with opposing views as it is now. And they want to know what it will do for THEM and what THEY will get out of it. At the moment there are very many women who do not see birth as something that needs to be in the home or is safe in home thats just a fact which we have to work on.
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Title: Re: [ozmidwifery] FYI news article Hi Kelly I would really like to talk with you and perhaps Pinky off list to nut out some strategies on mainstreaming 1-2-1 mid options and making our goals palatable out there. I know you and Pinky have contact with some big players and I have often thought we need to maximise ay exposure (not saying you dont just would like to natter about it a bit!). Kind regards Justine
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Title: Re: [ozmidwifery] FYI news article Id be up for that and I am sure Pinky would think its a brilliant idea too J Best Regards, Kelly Zantey Creator, BellyBelly.com.au Gentle Solutions From Conception to Parenthood BellyBelly Birth Support - http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Justine Caines Sent: Wednesday, 20 September 2006 11:12 PM To: OzMid List Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] FYI news article Hi Kelly I would really like to talk with you and perhaps Pinky off list to nut out some strategies on mainstreaming 1-2-1 mid options and making our goals palatable out there. I know you and Pinky have contact with some big players and I have often thought we need to maximise ay exposure (not saying you dont just would like to natter about it a bit!). Kind regards Justine
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The Caroline flint you have contacted is a politician, not the midwife. Try putting midwife in front of the google search. It is confusing to have two high profile people with the same name. MM From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Vedrana Valcic Sent: Wednesday, 20 September 2006 6:11 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] FYI news article Where can I find out more about her marketing strategies? Midwives in Croatia would certainly appreciate info about effective marketing strategies. I found this site: http://www.carolineflint.co.uk/news/news.htm, but I dont know if there is something more detailed. Vedrana From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Mary Murphy Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 11:11 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] FYI news article The woman who best markets midwifery is Caroline Flint in the UK. We should copy her marketing strategies. MM Kelly says..If we want women to accept and value the midwife then it needs to be marketed better, it needs to be trendy and jazzed up! Not just a choice being two sides of the fence with opposing views as it is now. And they want to know what it will do for THEM and what THEY will get out of it. At the moment there are very many women who do not see birth as something that needs to be in the home or is safe in home thats just a fact which we have to work on.
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I posted the article on my forums, here is what women think of the idea be it what you agree with or not this is what THEY think so maybe we can get some ideas or learn something from this: http://www.bellybelly.com.au/forums/showthread.php?p=439579 Best Regards, Kelly Zantey Creator, BellyBelly.com.au Gentle Solutions From Conception to Parenthood BellyBelly Birth Support - http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mary Murphy Sent: Thursday, 21 September 2006 8:27 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] FYI news article Importance: High The Caroline flint you have contacted is a politician, not the midwife. Try putting midwife in front of the google search. It is confusing to have two high profile people with the same name. MM From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Vedrana Valcic Sent: Wednesday, 20 September 2006 6:11 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] FYI news article Where can I find out more about her marketing strategies? Midwives in Croatia would certainly appreciate info about effective marketing strategies. I found this site: http://www.carolineflint.co.uk/news/news.htm, but I dont know if there is something more detailed. Vedrana From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Mary Murphy Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 11:11 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] FYI news article The woman who best markets midwifery is Caroline Flint in the UK. We should copy her marketing strategies. MM Kelly says..If we want women to accept and value the midwife then it needs to be marketed better, it needs to be trendy and jazzed up! Not just a choice being two sides of the fence with opposing views as it is now. And they want to know what it will do for THEM and what THEY will get out of it. At the moment there are very many women who do not see birth as something that needs to be in the home or is safe in home thats just a fact which we have to work on.
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Thanks for the other link! I havent contacted Carolin Flint, the politician, luckily J. I just forwarded info to our midwives and I doubt that they were that expedient. Vedrana From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Mary Murphy Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 12:27 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] FYI news article Importance: High The Caroline flint you have contacted is a politician, not the midwife. Try putting midwife in front of the google search. It is confusing to have two high profile people with the same name. MM From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Vedrana Valcic Sent: Wednesday, 20 September 2006 6:11 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] FYI news article Where can I find out more about her marketing strategies? Midwives in Croatia would certainly appreciate info about effective marketing strategies. I found this site: http://www.carolineflint.co.uk/news/news.htm, but I dont know if there is something more detailed. Vedrana From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Mary Murphy Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 11:11 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] FYI news article The woman who best markets midwifery is Caroline Flint in the UK. We should copy her marketing strategies. MM Kelly says..If we want women to accept and value the midwife then it needs to be marketed better, it needs to be trendy and jazzed up! Not just a choice being two sides of the fence with opposing views as it is now. And they want to know what it will do for THEM and what THEY will get out of it. At the moment there are very many women who do not see birth as something that needs to be in the home or is safe in home thats just a fact which we have to work on.
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Title: FYI news article I heard ABC radio covering this today. All I can say is I felt sick. Lisa
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Title: FYI news article I particularly liked the comment that a caesarean is like abdominal surgery. Kate From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Lisa Barrett Sent: Tuesday, 19 September 2006 3:58 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] FYI news article I heard ABC radio covering this today. All I can say is I felt sick. Lisa
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I really like the idea of not being in that sterile hospital environment after I've had my baby - a luxury hotel room and a bit of pampering sounds like a pretty good way to relax after childbirth, Ms Lynch said yesterday. Being at home sounds even better to me! Quoting Megan Larry [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Bliss at the 5-star maternity hotel MICHAEL OWEN September 19, 2006 12:15am Article from: http://www.theadvertiser.news.com.au/?from=ni_storyhttp THE state's first maternity ward in a luxury hotel will open early next month. The Hilton Adelaide has finalised a deal with Ashford Private Hospital to provide up to eight deluxe-plus rooms for new mothers recovering from childbirth. Called Baby Bliss, the maternity hotel service program will start from October 3, with final Health Department approval expected within the next week. Ashford Hospital and the Hilton say public interest in the scheme has been amazing since it was first floated in July., The program, already in operation in two private hospitals in Melbourne, aims to cut costs and free up hospital beds. It has won the backing of private health fund Mutual Community and national mother advocacy group Mother Inc. Midwives will stay in a wing of the Hilton dedicated to new mums and provide around-the-clock care and advice, while obstetricians will continue to oversee care during hotel stays. Partners and siblings of new mums will be able to stay at the hotel free. Alan Lane, chief executive of hospital operations for the Adelaide Community Healthcare Alliance, which owns Ashford Hospital, said the option would only be available to women who had a normal vaginal delivery at the hospital. Mother and baby would be transferred to the Hilton two days after giving birth. Mother and baby remain patients of Ashford Hospital and the responsibility of its medical and nursing teams, Mr Lane said. The option to stay at the hotel for two nights is included in the obstetrics cover provided by the patient's private health fund. Insurance broker Jenny Lynch, 33, is due to give birth to her first child in February. I really like the idea of not being in that sterile hospital environment after I've had my baby - a luxury hotel room and a bit of pampering sounds like a pretty good way to relax after childbirth, Ms Lynch said yesterday. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
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Title: FYI news article To try and extract any good of this though, I wonder, if it will encourage more women to aim for normal vaginal births - as per the article, only those who do will be allowed to use the program. Best Regards, Kelly Zantey Creator, BellyBelly.com.au Gentle Solutions From Conception to Parenthood BellyBelly Birth Support - http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Megan Larry Sent: Tuesday, 19 September 2006 1:21 PM To: ozmidwifery Subject: [ozmidwifery] FYI news article Bliss at the 5-star maternity hotel MICHAEL OWEN September 19, 2006 12:15am Article from: http://www.theadvertiser.news.com.au/?from=ni_storyhttp THE state's first maternity ward in a luxury hotel will open early next month. The Hilton Adelaide has finalised a deal with Ashford Private Hospital to provide up to eight deluxe-plus rooms for new mothers recovering from childbirth. Called Baby Bliss, the maternity hotel service program will start from October 3, with final Health Department approval expected within the next week. Ashford Hospital and the Hilton say public interest in the scheme has been amazing since it was first floated in July., The program, already in operation in two private hospitals in Melbourne, aims to cut costs and free up hospital beds. It has won the backing of private health fund Mutual Community and national mother advocacy group Mother Inc. Midwives will stay in a wing of the Hilton dedicated to new mums and provide around-the-clock care and advice, while obstetricians will continue to oversee care during hotel stays. Partners and siblings of new mums will be able to stay at the hotel free. Alan Lane, chief executive of hospital operations for the Adelaide Community Healthcare Alliance, which owns Ashford Hospital, said the option would only be available to women who had a normal vaginal delivery at the hospital. Mother and baby would be transferred to the Hilton two days after giving birth. Mother and baby remain patients of Ashford Hospital and the responsibility of its medical and nursing teams, Mr Lane said. The option to stay at the hotel for two nights is included in the obstetrics cover provided by the patient's private health fund. Insurance broker Jenny Lynch, 33, is due to give birth to her first child in February. I really like the idea of not being in that sterile hospital environment after I've had my baby - a luxury hotel room and a bit of pampering sounds like a pretty good way to relax after childbirth, Ms Lynch said yesterday.
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This is my first post for a long time so don't eat me alive! I agree with Kelly as the woman has to have a nvbit may help our cause to decrease LSCS and IOL? Also - as much as we would like all women to have 1-2-1 midwifery care ( sheesh where I work we have no ante natal clinic, no midwifery input till labour and the GP's doing care don't have dip OB- another story another time), it isn't happening now and these women have been scared into PHI by the gov't (and other interest groups) and are using it. All our lobbying isn't going to help this woman now , it will help others down the track. Yes home would be better, and 'get on with it', but they would've stayed another few nights in hospital anyway, maybe transferring to hotel - with partner and rest of family is a compromise, you know - get fed/don't have to clean,and lactation and parentcraft guidance with partner there to help too. Isn't having dad there more like the real world than a hospital room without him but with (insert number!)other mums and bubs? just my thoughts Louise rural NSW ---Original Message--- From: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Date: 09/19/06 21:32:02 To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] FYI news article To try and extract any good of this though, I wonder, if it will encourage more women to aim for normal vaginal births - as per the article, only those who do will be allowed to use the program. Best Regards,Kelly ZanteyCreator, BellyBelly.com.au Gentle Solutions From Conception to ParenthoodBellyBelly Birth Support - http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Megan LarrySent: Tuesday, 19 September 2006 1:21 PMTo: ozmidwiferySubject: [ozmidwifery] FYI news article Bliss at the 5-star maternity hotel MICHAEL OWEN September 19, 2006 12:15am Article from: http://www.theadvertiser.news.com.au/?from=ni_storyhttp THE state's first maternity ward in a luxury hotel will open early next month. The Hilton Adelaide has finalised a deal with Ashford Private Hospital to provide up to eight "deluxe-plus" rooms for new mothers recovering from childbirth. Called "Baby Bliss", the maternity hotel service program will start from October 3, with final Health Department approval expected within the next week. Ashford Hospital and the Hilton say public interest in the scheme has been "amazing" since it was first floated in July., The program, already in operation in two private hospitals in Melbourne, aims to cut costs and free up hospital beds. It has won the backing of private health fund Mutual Community and national mother advocacy group Mother Inc. Midwives will stay in a wing of the Hilton dedicated to new mums and provide around-the-clock care and advice, while obstetricians will continue to oversee care during hotel stays. Partners and siblings of new mums will be able to stay at the hotel free. Alan Lane, chief executive of hospital operations for the Adelaide Community Healthcare Alliance, which owns Ashford Hospital, said the option would only be available to women who had a normal vaginal delivery at the hospital. Mother and baby would be transferred to the Hilton two days after giving birth. "Mother and baby remain patients of Ashford Hospital and the responsibility of its medical and nursing teams," Mr Lane said. The option to stay at the hotel for two nights is included in the obstetrics cover provided by the patient's private health fund. Insurance broker Jenny Lynch, 33, is due to give birth to her first child in February. "I really like the idea of not being in that sterile hospital environment after I've had my baby - a luxury hotel room and a bit of pampering sounds like a pretty good way to relax after childbirth," Ms Lynch said yesterday.
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Hi, They could have helped the women much more by providing midwifery care at home. They do have a one off visit (because the hospital can access the fund from the insurance for it) but sending a midwife into the womens home after discharge to check up on them is more productive and cheaper than this bizarre system. There is to be one midwife to 8 women which isn't exactly great care and if they need midwifery imput they will not be eligible for transfer there in the first place. Every woman has a private room and all dads can stay overnight at the Ashford hospital so it's not a problem of sharing with others that have just birthed. I just can't see anyadvantage ( excluding souroundings and mini bar ( as mentioned in the radio broadcast) ) for a birthing woman and her family to go to a hotel instead of going to her own home. The biggest benefactor of this is the private hospital and the insurance company. However it's dressed it's not for the benefit of the woman it's just business. Lisa - Original Message - From: Grant and Louise McLeod To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 10:59 AM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] FYI news article This is my first post for a long time so don't eat me alive! I agree with Kelly as the woman has to have a nvbit may help our cause to decrease LSCS and IOL? Also - as much as we would like all women to have 1-2-1 midwifery care ( sheesh where I work we have no ante natal clinic, no midwifery input till labour and the GP's doing care don't have dip OB- another story another time), it isn't happening now and these women have been scared into PHI by the gov't (and other interest groups) and are using it. All our lobbying isn't going to help this woman now , it will help others down the track. Yes home would be better, and 'get on with it', but they would've stayed another few nights in hospital anyway, maybe transferring to hotel - with partner and rest of family is a compromise, you know - get fed/don't have to clean,and lactation and parentcraft guidance with partner there to help too. Isn't having dad there more like the real world than a hospital room without him but with (insert number!)other mums and bubs? just my thoughts Louise rural NSW ---Original Message--- From: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Date: 09/19/06 21:32:02 To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] FYI news article To try and extract any good of this though, I wonder, if it will encourage more women to aim for normal vaginal births - as per the article, only those who do will be allowed to use the program. Best Regards,Kelly ZanteyCreator, BellyBelly.com.au Gentle Solutions From Conception to ParenthoodBellyBelly Birth Support - http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Megan LarrySent: Tuesday, 19 September 2006 1:21 PMTo: ozmidwiferySubject: [ozmidwifery] FYI news article Bliss at the 5-star maternity hotel MICHAEL OWEN September 19, 2006 12:15am Article from: http://www.theadvertiser.news.com.au/?from=ni_storyhttp THE state's first maternity ward in a luxury hotel will open early next month. The Hilton Adelaide has finalised a deal with Ashford Private Hospital to provide up to eight "deluxe-plus" rooms for new mothers recovering from childbirth. Called "Baby Bliss", the maternity hotel service program will start from October 3, with final Health Department approval expected within the next week. Ashford Hospital and the Hilton say public interest in the scheme has been "amazing" since it was first floated in July., The program, already in operation in two private hospitals in Melbourne, aims to cut costs and free up hospital beds. It has won the backing of private health fund Mutual Community and national mother advocacy group Mother Inc. Midwives will stay in a wing of the Hilton dedicated to new mums and provide around-the-clock care and advice, while obstetricians will continue to oversee care during hotel stays. Partners and siblings of new mums will be able to stay at the hotel f
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Megan Larry wrote: *Bliss at the 5-star maternity hotel* MICHAEL OWEN September 19, 2006 12:15am Article from: _http://www.theadvertiser.news.com.au/?from=ni_storyhttp_ *THE state's first maternity ward in a luxury hotel will open early next month.* The Hilton Adelaide has finalised a deal with Ashford Private Hospital to provide up to eight deluxe-plus rooms for new mothers recovering from childbirth. Called Baby Bliss, the maternity hotel service program will start from October 3, with final Health Department approval expected within the next week. Ashford Hospital and the Hilton say public interest in the scheme has been amazing since it was first floated in July., The program, already in operation in two private hospitals in Melbourne, aims to cut costs and free up hospital beds. It has won the backing of private health fund Mutual Community and national mother advocacy group Mother Inc. Midwives will stay in a wing of the Hilton dedicated to new mums and provide around-the-clock care and advice, while obstetricians will continue to oversee care during hotel stays. Partners and siblings of new mums will be able to stay at the hotel free. Alan Lane, chief executive of hospital operations for the Adelaide Community Healthcare Alliance, which owns Ashford Hospital, said the option would only be available to women who had a normal vaginal delivery at the hospital. Mother and baby would be transferred to the Hilton two days after giving birth. Mother and baby remain patients of Ashford Hospital and the responsibility of its medical and nursing teams, Mr Lane said. The option to stay at the hotel for two nights is included in the obstetrics cover provided by the patient's private health fund. Insurance broker Jenny Lynch, 33, is due to give birth to her first child in February. I really like the idea of not being in that sterile hospital environment after I've had my baby - a luxury hotel room and a bit of pampering sounds like a pretty good way to relax after childbirth, Ms Lynch said yesterday. Instead of calling it Baby Bliss, it should be called Bread and Circuses. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bread_and_circuses if you dont get it) Just another attempt to move attention away from the high-cost/poor care paradigm. A teaspoon of sugar makes the medicine go down. -- Jennifairy Gillett RM Midwife in Private Practice Women’s Health Teaching Associate ITShare volunteer – Santos Project Co-ordinator ITShare SA Inc - http://itshare.org.au/ ITShare SA provides computer systems to individuals groups, created from donated hardware and opensource software -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
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Hi Louise and others, No eating alive to be done from here J but I did want to comment on this onethe thing I think I find most offensive about all of this is that it just carries on the charade that the women are paying for, and therefore getting the best care. Women have been conned into thinking that if they pay the highest fees for the PHI, and then pay the biggest gap payment for the best obstetrician, go to the best hospital, they will have the best, and therefore the safest birth. This plan just carries that little lie on, by drawing more women into the system, and into this one hospital in particular, when the cold hard reality is that less than one in three of them is going to give birth to their babies through their vagina anyway, and of those one in three, how many are going to be straightforward? My sources tell me that the c/s rate for primips is up around 70%...so how many women are going to be conned into thinking that they will get this great hotel stay, and then just be glad they were in the hospital to start with, because they needed a caesarean Just makes me sad Tania -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.5/451 - Release Date: 19/09/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.5/451 - Release Date: 19/09/2006
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Exactly Lisa, its business! Its all about the dollars for them. But for the families, the idea of five star treatment after birth is very, very appealing. Its clever marketing isnt it? As well as outsourcing for what they dont have room. You say you cant see what the attraction is to a five star hotel, but let me tell you, 95% of women are not attracted to being at home! We can see the beauty of it, but society cant in this present time. We have confidence and they do not. At the moment, women are highly valuing being in a glamourous hotel being waited on hand and foot, dinners cooked, cozy accommodation - whereas if they go home, they have to do it all for themselves or maybe if they are lucky their partner will - especially if you were a mum like myself and family support was not available I was alone, isolated and had a very bad time ended up on ADs. I would have jumped at the opportunity to go to a hotel at the time. They feel special and pampered instead of having to go home, on their own with no support because they dont know otherwise and they dont feel safe at home. Having a midwife to come and check on them at home after birth really does not even closely compare for many, many women when they can get this in a hotel as well as have a great time. If we want women to accept and value the midwife then it needs to be marketed better, it needs to be trendy and jazzed up! Not just a choice being two sides of the fence with opposing views as it is now. And they want to know what it will do for THEM and what THEY will get out of it. At the moment there are very many women who do not see birth as something that needs to be in the home or is safe in home thats just a fact which we have to work on. Best Regards, Kelly Zantey Creator, BellyBelly.com.au Gentle Solutions From Conception to Parenthood BellyBelly Birth Support - http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Lisa Barrett Sent: Wednesday, 20 September 2006 12:54 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] FYI news article Hi, They could have helped the women much more by providing midwifery care at home. They do have a one off visit (because the hospital can access the fund from the insurance for it) but sending a midwife into the womens home after discharge to check up on them is more productive and cheaper than this bizarre system. There is to be one midwife to 8 women which isn't exactly great care and if they need midwifery imput they will not be eligible for transfer there in the first place. Every woman has a private room and all dads can stay overnight at the Ashford hospital so it's not a problem of sharing with others that have just birthed. I just can't see anyadvantage ( excluding souroundings and mini bar ( as mentioned in the radio broadcast) ) for a birthing woman and her family to go to a hotel instead of going to her own home. The biggest benefactor of this is the private hospital and the insurance company. However it's dressed it's not for the benefit of the woman it's just business. Lisa - Original Message - From: Grant and Louise McLeod To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 10:59 AM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] FYI news article This is my first post for a long time so don't eat me alive! I agree with Kelly as the woman has to have a nvbit may help our cause to decrease LSCS and IOL? Also - as much as we would like all women to have 1-2-1 midwifery care ( sheesh where I work we have no ante natal clinic, no midwifery input till labour and the GP's doing care don't have dip OB- another story another time), it isn't happening now and these women have been scared into PHI by the gov't (and other interest groups) and are using it. All our lobbying isn't going to help this woman now , it will help others down the track. Yes home would be better, and 'get on with it', but they would've stayed another few nights in hospital anyway, maybe transferring to hotel - with partner and rest of family is a compromise, you know - get fed/don't have to clean,and lactation and parentcraft guidance with partner there to help too. Isn't having dad there more like the real world than a hospital room without him but with (insert number!)other mums and bubs? just my thoughts Louise rural NSW ---Original Message--- From: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Date: 09/19/06 21:32:02 To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] FYI news article To try and extract any good of this though, I wonder, if it will encourage more women to aim for normal vaginal births - as per the article
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Yes, I liked the phrase "needed a caesarean". Just like the common one post NELUSC 'lucky we did that because the uterus was starting to thin' or 'very lucky because the cord was around the neck' ... u and? Sometime I worry that this culture that had been adopted of women 'unable' to birth and obstetric intervention has gone to far to stop or reverse. It is very depressing. Also I wonder if we have turned into a third world country with malnourished women who have rickets in their pelvises because of all the C/S for CPD, obstructed labour etc!!! Maybe I'm feeling particularly jaded because I did night duty last night and haven't slept, but I go to work prepared for battle! Melissa - Original Message - From: Tania Smallwood To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 11:30 AM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] FYI news article Hi Louise and others, No eating alive to be done from here J but I did want to comment on this one…the thing I think I find most offensive about all of this is that it just carries on the charade that the women are paying for, and therefore getting the ‘best’ care. Women have been conned into thinking that if they pay the highest fees for the PHI, and then pay the biggest gap payment for the ‘best’ obstetrician, go to the ‘best’ hospital, they will have the best, and therefore the safest birth. This plan just carries that little lie on, by drawing more women into the system, and into this one hospital in particular, when the cold hard reality is that less than one in three of them is going to give birth to their babies through their vagina anyway, and of those one in three, how many are going to be straightforward? My sources tell me that the c/s rate for primips is up around 70%...so how many women are going to be conned into thinking that they will get this great hotel stay, and then just be glad they were in the hospital to start with, because they ‘needed’ a caesarean… Just makes me sad Tania --No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.5/451 - Release Date: 19/09/2006 --No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.5/451 - Release Date: 19/09/2006
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Title: Re: [ozmidwifery] FYI news article Hi Louise I agree with you. What we need to do is capitalise on the PHI stuff though (esp now that insurance is on the horizon). There is still no choice in PHI and no reason to have PHI in rural areas. But in the advent of a private midwifery expansion this could change quickly. Midwives could be working privately providing women with care wherever they chose to birth. We could sell the reduced cost of the midwifery care with home help for the first 2 weeks (ie domestic home help). Heaps of ways to sell this to women. I would love to talk to you off list re rural issues as someone also in rural NSW, experiencing similar issues. Kind regards Justine Caines National Policy Co-ordinator Maternity Coalition Inc PO Box 625 SCONE NSW 2329 Ph: (02) 65453612 Fax: (02)65482902 Mob: 0408 210273 E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.maternitycoalition.org.au
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Hope they save some for up north here. Judy --- Megan Larry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This was on news.com, Megan Extra $52m for maternity services From: AAP October 31, 2005 QUEENSLAND has announced an extra $52 million for maternity services in the state's public hospitals. Premier Peter Beattie said the Government would provide an extra $8.63 million for maternity services in 2005/06 and the same amount for each of the next five years to meet increasing demand. On average about 100 babies are born in our public hospitals every day, which can also stretch maternity services in some areas, Mr Beattie said. The $52 million funding boost starts immediately and is targeted to enable health districts to provide more maternity services and better access to them. The funding included recurrent allocations of $2.2 million a year to the Redcliffe-Caboolture district, $1.63 million to the Gold Coast, $1.5 million to the Bayside district based around Redcliffe hospital, and $1.5 million to the Logan-Beaudesert area. The money would provide additional beds, staff, equipment and support services. Do you Yahoo!? Listen to over 20 online radio stations and watch the latest music videos on Yahoo! Music. http://au.launch.yahoo.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
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Hoping for the same, where's the money for the Townsville Birth Centre? Honey - Original Message - From: Judy Chapman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 11:25 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] FYI: News article for QLD maternity Hope they save some for up north here. Judy --- Megan Larry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This was on news.com, Megan Extra $52m for maternity services From: AAP October 31, 2005 QUEENSLAND has announced an extra $52 million for maternity services in the state's public hospitals. Premier Peter Beattie said the Government would provide an extra $8.63 million for maternity services in 2005/06 and the same amount for each of the next five years to meet increasing demand. On average about 100 babies are born in our public hospitals every day, which can also stretch maternity services in some areas, Mr Beattie said. The $52 million funding boost starts immediately and is targeted to enable health districts to provide more maternity services and better access to them. The funding included recurrent allocations of $2.2 million a year to the Redcliffe-Caboolture district, $1.63 million to the Gold Coast, $1.5 million to the Bayside district based around Redcliffe hospital, and $1.5 million to the Logan-Beaudesert area. The money would provide additional beds, staff, equipment and support services. Do you Yahoo!? Listen to over 20 online radio stations and watch the latest music videos on Yahoo! Music. http://au.launch.yahoo.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
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Title: Message Fantastic there is our funding for North Lakes project!! We have been so pressured for several years in this Redcliffe-Caboolture district. Gold Coast Birth centre looks like it is now funded and even Beaudesert looks like it might have maternity services restored via Logan Hospital. Cheers Barb Extra $52m for maternity services From: AAP October 31, 2005 QUEENSLAND has announced an extra $52 million for maternity services in the state's public hospitals. Premier Peter Beattie said the Government would provide an extra $8.63 million for maternity services in 2005/06 and the same amount for each of the next five years to meet increasing demand. "On average about 100 babies are born in our public hospitals every day, which can also stretch maternity services in some areas," Mr Beattie said. "The $52 million funding boost starts immediately and is targeted to enable health districts to provide more maternity services and better access to them." The funding included recurrent allocations of $2.2 million a year to the Redcliffe-Caboolture district, $1.63 million to the Gold Coast, $1.5 million to the Bayside district based around Redcliffe hospital, and $1.5 million to the Logan-Beaudesert area.The money would provide additional beds, staff, equipment and support services.
