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[Description: Secretary-General Meets with President of Pan Africanist Congress] Cde Makwethu at the United Nations 1991 Disclaimer The information contained in this communication from the sender is confidential. It is intended solely for use by the recipient and others authorized to receive it. If you are not the recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or taking action in relation of the contents of this information is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. This email has been scanned for viruses and malware, and automatically archived by Mimecast SA (Pty) Ltd, an innovator in Software as a Service (SaaS) for business. Mimecast Unified Email Management (UEM) offers email continuity, security, archiving and compliance with all current legislation. To find out more, visit http://www.mimecast.co.za/uem. -- -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Pan Africanist Youth Congress" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to payco+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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Cde Nkrumah I have searched the election results on the IEC website, searching specific polling stations. In my ward, I am surprised that we got only 6 votes. It appears that PAC members did not vote or they either they voted the EFF or the ANC. Before evaluating the support from our sympathisers, it is worth that we look into ourselves. the total number of votes doesn't reflect PAC membership. I say this because in my branch, the votes do not talk to the membership. This is very disappointing. PAC is stabbed by its members, we cannot blame financial resources alone. kind regards Mduduzi Sibeko Distribution Customer Service Coordinator [cid:image001.png@01CF709E.5EE9AD70] T +27-11-724-9300/01 C +27-71-101-2595 F 086-754-2176 E msib...@randwater.co.za www.randwater.co.zahttp://www.randwater.co.za A life spent making mistakes is not only more honorable, but more useful than a life spent doing nothing. George Bernard Shaw Disclaimer The information contained in this communication from the sender is confidential. It is intended solely for use by the recipient and others authorized to receive it. If you are not the recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or taking action in relation of the contents of this information is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. This email has been scanned for viruses and malware, and automatically archived by Mimecast SA (Pty) Ltd, an innovator in Software as a Service (SaaS) for business. Mimecast Unified Email Management (UEM) offers email continuity, security, archiving and compliance with all current legislation. To find out more, visit http://www.mimecast.co.za/uem. -- -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Pan Africanist Youth Congress group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to payco+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
RE: [PAYCO] Fwd: invitation to a PASMA/PAC elections rally
Cde Pinkie It is very disturbing that for the first time in 20 years of competitive elections that the PAC has not had major election campaigns. I watch news daily, but I hardly see PAC campaigning. My thinking is that, as it is apparent that are unlikely going to perform well, after elections all factions should come and reflect to rejuvenate the organisation. this could be the last breath of the PAC. From: payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:payco@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Pinkie Monyane Sent: 26 April 2014 02:17 PM To: Mohlomphegi Mphahlele Cc: hlatshwayonhlakanipho; d...@pac.org.za; bulanng...@gmail.com; m...@pac.org.za; mangalisomdhl...@gmail.com; pasmapresid...@gmail.com; danielmamony...@gmail.com; nol...@nactu.org.za; zun...@tut.ac.za; legalu...@sacwu.co.za; clementmar...@yahoo.com; Tumediso Modise; Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi; sndam...@pac-cape.org.za; gemoanako...@webmail.co.za; nnyq...@gmail.com; BONOLO TSHEGO; pacmogalec...@gmail.com; joseph.maqhek...@sasol.com; celenjabulo...@gmail.com; Dimakatso Moletsane; Lindo Thando; SELLO IRVIN LESABANE; np...@mweb.co.za; Mphiri Masoga; Tume Molomo; Xola Tyamzashe; mapulankoan...@gmail.com; Tebogo Sekele; Narius Moloto; Sbusiso Xaba; p...@vodamail.co.za; Madosky Obama; Keith Moyce; Albert Mokoena; moshemahlom...@gmail.com; Dr. Motsoko Pheko; Innocentia Mamaila; headoff...@sacwu.org.za; mose...@sacwu.co.za; nyalu...@live.co.za; payco@googlegroups.com; znyam...@gmail.com; ki...@pac.org.za; lucasmmol...@gmail.com; phillip Dhlamini; Lehlogonolo Digashu; isa...@diplomatsa.co.za; Fumanile Ben; frambo...@gmail.com; bc...@netactive.co.za; Willy Fokane; nakaphala.ba...@gmail.com; pasma.gaut...@gmail.com; le...@pac.org.za; Metja Ledwaba; nufbw...@wbs.co.za; Excellent Rikhotso; Michael Muendane; butheyane mary serunye; Mbulelo Raymond; ms...@webmail.co.za; pactshwanereg...@gmail.com; david mabitsela; mphahlel...@amcu.co.za; jntab...@gmail.com; fortune.speng...@gmail.com; Vusumuzi Silaule; Sbongiseni Ayanda; richardma...@yahoo.com; karabo mokgojwa; Phumzile Nomnga; tumelo tele; mop...@pac.org.za; miles.ndl...@yahoo.com; Cape; Sbu Fire; ntsiemohl...@gmail.com; rad...@gmail.com; Malesela Mogashwa; Edward Thobejane; pac.nc...@gmail.com; hlubi.so...@gmail.com; pacaza...@webmail.co.za; takalaniligeg...@gmail.com; tsatsawani chauke; Mofihli Likotsi; dud...@webmail.co.za; eddie mfulwane; Obakeng Jacobs; Johnson Mlambo; billiard.s...@gmail.com; khoi.so...@gmail.com; Thabo cyril Zwane; ic...@telkomsa.net; brian.gam...@unioinlife.co.za; mnd...@yahoo.com; Dumisani Mkhwente; INNOCENT FRIDAY; Vusi .Mahlangu; Jabulani Mothopeng; Smoll Zondo; po...@yahoo.com; ifm10...@iscor.com; goqwana.san...@gmail.com; Malinge Plaatjie; Dumisani Zwane; jabu mkhwanazi; Admin @ Pac; p...@npswu.org.co.za; mbind...@gmail.com; justice mvakali; Nhlanhla Fortune Xaba; sduduzo andiswa; patrick.khum...@ekurhuleni.gov.za; gabula.j...@webmail.com; generalsecret...@mwasa.org.za; Lejoni John Kekana; hoteli...@iburst.co.za; L Lekgwathi; Alton Mphethi; Xola Tyamzashe; ad...@fedcraw.org.za; mafub...@hotmail.com; kgothatso sithole; inqubelaphambili.tradeun...@gmail.com; MXOLISI MAISELA; zweli cele; ndhlo...@pac.org.za; Ali Maphalala; Tebogo Masipa; Nkosinathi Mngoma; esei...@fedcraw.org.za; nombule...@webmail.com; wandisile gajana; Tongogara Ndima Subject: RE: [PAYCO] Fwd: invitation to a PASMA/PAC elections rally Comrades I agree with Cde Mohlomphegi. Let us for once put the PAC above all other interests. After the elections, let's focus on building branches and build the party from the ground up. Let us stand together and campaign for the PAC. Izwelethu! Cde Pinkie Monyane On 26 Apr 2014 14:09, Mohlomphegi Mphahlele mphah...@eskom.co.zamailto:mphah...@eskom.co.za wrote: Comrade Tongongara You guys are the one embarrassing PAC. It is true PAC is currently suffering ideological coherent stance. So we must just assist the situation and stop continually dismissing our leadership. I always say to comrades that if one is not happy about a particular leader one must work hard to unseat that leader using our internal democratic processes. Hauling will not address your concerns. It is very much wise to focus yourself in developing a launching pad to address PAC problems. And that launching pad is your branch. So stop that and work your grounds. That’s where most of us fail. We think that we can correct the PAC ills by making the loudest noise. Teach the right thing. Prepare comrades for a PAC righteous path. That path is the implementation and utilisation of our Code of Conduct and our Constitution. All those leaders who transgress our code of conduct and our constitution will be answerable to the National Conference. Go out there and campaign for the PAC!!! From: Tongogara Ndima [mailto:ndimatongog...@gmail.commailto:ndimatongog...@gmail.com] Sent: 26 April 2014 12:51 PM To: payco@googlegroups.commailto:payco@googlegroups.com Cc: Admin @ Pac; Alton
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Ahmed Kathrada, the only ANC leader to acknowledge PAC leader Zephania Mothopeng in his eulogy to Nelson Mandela. He is consistently referred to PAC leaders on Robben Island such as Johnson Mlambo. kind regards Mduduzi Sibeko Distribution Customer Service Coordinator [cid:image001.png@01CEF975.95371CF0] T +27-11-724-9300/01 C +27-71-101-2595 F 086-754-2176 E msib...@randwater.co.za www.randwater.co.zahttp://www.randwater.co.za A life spent making mistakes is not only more honorable, but more useful than a life spent doing nothing. George Bernard Shaw Disclaimer The information contained in this communication from the sender is confidential. It is intended solely for use by the recipient and others authorized to receive it. If you are not the recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or taking action in relation of the contents of this information is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. This email has been scanned for viruses and malware, and automatically archived by Mimecast SA (Pty) Ltd, an innovator in Software as a Service (SaaS) for business. Mimecast Unified Email Management (UEM) offers email continuity, security, archiving and compliance with all current legislation. To find out more, visit http://www.mimecast.co.za/uem. -- -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Pan Africanist Youth Congress group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to payco+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. inline: image001.png
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Good day comrades I hope comrades will be circumspect when issuing statement in relation to the death of Nelson Mandela. Differences which he had with him, should not be uttered publicly at this grieving moment. The whole country is mourning, and we need to be careful not to attract bad publicity to the PAC. The recent article posted to Mayihlome from Dr Pheko is good, and represents all what is expected from disciplined Africanists. I urge all Africanist to be careful. Izwe Luthu Mduduzi Sibeko 071-101-2595 Disclaimer The information contained in this communication from the sender is confidential. It is intended solely for use by the recipient and others authorized to receive it. If you are not the recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or taking action in relation of the contents of this information is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. This email has been scanned for viruses and malware, and automatically archived by Mimecast SA (Pty) Ltd, an innovator in Software as a Service (SaaS) for business. Mimecast Unified Email Management (UEM) offers email continuity, security, archiving and compliance with all current legislation. To find out more, visit http://www.mimecast.co.za/uem. -- -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Pan Africanist Youth Congress group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to payco+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
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No comrade, you don’t have to apologise. It is just that in the past I would raise issues and nobody would respond so I decided to address it to certain comrades that are frequently writing on this circulation. But, I am happy that despite addressing maters to those comrades, most comrades respond. Anyway, it is a platform for all comrades to discus maters. From: payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:payco@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Fikiswa Ntshwanti Sent: 03 December 2013 11:36 AM To: payco Subject: Re: [PAYCO] MÁfrika Sibeko, ndiyaxolisa ukuphendula ungathethi nam. You have raised very vaild points and I just want to add that PAC also lacks visible( except in this google group) members. Tshwane ward 60 was visited Soweto(not any branch, we were just touring) last Saturday and some of us were wearing our t-shirts and the kind of reception we received on the streets was amazing. People are looking for the PAC and we are no where to be found(except here), leaders and members alike. Talking about individuals bigger than an organisation, there are members who believe that either they or other members are too big to be found in a branch meeting. All we need yidiscipline. Izwe lethu On Sat, Nov 30, 2013 at 11:29 PM, Mduduzi Sibeko msib...@randwater.co.zamailto:msib...@randwater.co.za wrote: Cdes Seroke, Nkumah, Ndebele Are individual’s tails wagging the organisations? A common phrase these days in the political spectrum is “an individual is not stronger than the organisation”. This phrase is invariably used in political parties against embattled leaders who find themselves at odds with their organisations. Recently, leaders such as Zwelinzima Vavi and Julius Malema found themselves in scuffles the ANC. Because they wield a certain support from within the lowest echelons of their organisation, to discount the impact that this could have to the ANC. Those who control the levers of control, such as Gwede Mantashe, would normal say the ANC is bigger than individuals. Not only the ANC, I think most organisations including the PAC use this approach to minimise the impact of certain leaders if they are deposed. The reason I am raising this concern is because from empirical experience, influential individuals play prominent roles within organisations. If they are powerful, the easiest way to dismiss them is to say organisations are bigger than they. Maybe this argument will address some deficiency lacking within the PAC of Azania. The firebrand Julius Malema was dismissed as an individual far smaller than the ANC, but when he launched his splitter movement, it became clear that he was posing a threat to the ANC’s support base particularly the youth. Today newspapers are replete of the EFF and Julius Malema, actually it is Julius Malema who is sensational than the EFF. Within COSATU, we heard the same rhetoric “COSATU is bigger than Vavi”, however when Sdumo Dalmini was addressing a COSATU march, Vavi’s supports chanted pro Vavi slogans. So where was the COSATU bigger than Vavi. We are made to believe that individual cannot be tail wagging the organizations. But it is clear the influence of influential individuals should not be discounted as marginal. Who was greater between the NAZI party and Adolf Hitler? Could the NAZI Party have thrived without Hitler? Sobukwe was not infallible as any human being. But, he seemed to have more recognition than the PAC. Was the PAC greater than him?I am not upholding individualism per se, but I am trying to bear out the importance of visible and recognizable leadership in political formations. To the PAC context The PAC has been suffering organizational paralysis for a long time, until now, it has not managed to produce a leader who can be visible to the masses. PAC leaders are hardly known to the masses. Go to the street, ask people who is the president of the PAC (forget about the asking who is the acting president). The answer that you will get is “I don’t know’. Sadly, if the EFF is going to undercut us in the forthcoming elections, I will be justified in my argument that the PAC has a deficiency of a strong leader. History has long proven the thrust of my arguments, late comers for example such as Teror Lekota of COPE performed much better than us in elections, despite having less than a year before contesting. Comrades are denying that the EFF has stolen our thunder, we may rationalise this denialism , but people joining the EFF are saying we have found the organisation concerned about the total emancipation of the African people. Someone who recently joined the EFF told me that for a long time the African people have been without hope because the ANC sold out. So, haven’t we been saying the same thing? The difference is that we were never heard because no visible leader was able to transmit that message across to the masses. I strongly believe in what the PAC stands for, but unlike other organisations, my PAC
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Cdes Seroke, Nkumah, Ndebele Are individuals mightier than the organisations A common phrase these days in the political spectrum these days is an individual is not stronger than the organisation. this phrase is invariably used in political parties a against embattled leaders who find themselves at odds with their organisations. Recently, leaders such as Zwelinzima Vami and Julius Malema found themselves in scuffles the ANC. Because they wield a certain support from within the lowest echelons of their organisation, to diffuse the impact that this could have to the ANC. Those who control the levers of control would normal say the ANC is bigger than individuals. Not only the ANC, I think most organisations including the PAC use this approach to minimise the impact of certain leaders if they are deposed. The reason I am raising this concern is because from empirical experience, influential individuals play prominent roles within organisations. If they are powerful, the easiest way to dismiss them is to say organisations are bigger than they. Maybe this will address some deficiency lacking within the PAC of Azania. The firebrand Julius Malema was dismissed as an individual far smaller than the ANC, but when he launched his splitter movement, it became clear that he was posing a threat to the ANC's support base particularly the youth. Today newspapers are replete of the EFF and Julius Malema, actually it is Julius Malema who is sensational than the EFF. Within COSATU, we heard the same rhetoric COSATU is bigger than Vavi , however when Sdumo Dalmini was addressing a COSATU march Vavi's supports chanted pro Vavi slogans. So where was the COSATU bigger than Vavi. we are made to believe that individual cannot be tail wagging the organizations. But it is clear the influence of influencial individuals should not be discounted as marginal. Who was greater between the NAZI party and Adolf Hitler ? could the NAZI Party have thrived without Hitler ? Sobukwe was not infallible as a human being. But, he seems to have more recognition than the PAC. Was the PAC greater than him ?. I am not upholding individualism per se, but I am trying to bear out the importance of visible and recognizable leadership in political formations. To the PAC context the PAC has been suffering organizational paralysis for a long time, until now, it has not managed to produce a leader who can be visible to the masses. PAC leaders are hardly known to the masses. Go to the street, ask people who is the president of the PAC ( forget about the asking who is the acting president). The answer that you will get is I don't know'. Sadly, if the EFF is going to undercut us in the forthcoming elections, I will be justified in my argument that the PAC has a deficiency of a strong leader. History has long proven the thrust of my arguments, late comers such as Teror Lekota of COPE performed much better than us in elections, despite having less than a year before contesting. Comrades are denying that the EFF has stolen our thunder, we may rationalise this kind regards Mduduzi Sibeko Distribution Customer Service Coordinator [cid:image001.png@01CEEE10.00629070] T +27-11-724-9300/01 C +27-71-101-2595 F 086-754-2176 E msib...@randwater.co.za www.randwater.co.zahttp://www.randwater.co.za A life spent making mistakes is not only more honorable, but more useful than a life spent doing nothing. George Bernard Shaw Disclaimer The information contained in this communication from the sender is confidential. It is intended solely for use by the recipient and others authorized to receive it. If you are not the recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or taking action in relation of the contents of this information is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. This email has been scanned for viruses and malware, and automatically archived by Mimecast SA (Pty) Ltd, an innovator in Software as a Service (SaaS) for business. Mimecast Unified Email Management (UEM) offers email continuity, security, archiving and compliance with all current legislation. To find out more, visit http://www.mimecast.co.za/uem. -- -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Pan Africanist Youth Congress group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to payco+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. inline: image001.png
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Cdes Seroke, Nkumah, Ndebele Are individual's tails wagging the organisations? A common phrase these days in the political spectrum is an individual is not stronger than the organisation. This phrase is invariably used in political parties against embattled leaders who find themselves at odds with their organisations. Recently, leaders such as Zwelinzima Vavi and Julius Malema found themselves in scuffles the ANC. Because they wield a certain support from within the lowest echelons of their organisation, to discount the impact that this could have to the ANC. Those who control the levers of control, such as Gwede Mantashe, would normal say the ANC is bigger than individuals. Not only the ANC, I think most organisations including the PAC use this approach to minimise the impact of certain leaders if they are deposed. The reason I am raising this concern is because from empirical experience, influential individuals play prominent roles within organisations. If they are powerful, the easiest way to dismiss them is to say organisations are bigger than they. Maybe this argument will address some deficiency lacking within the PAC of Azania. The firebrand Julius Malema was dismissed as an individual far smaller than the ANC, but when he launched his splitter movement, it became clear that he was posing a threat to the ANC's support base particularly the youth. Today newspapers are replete of the EFF and Julius Malema, actually it is Julius Malema who is sensational than the EFF. Within COSATU, we heard the same rhetoric COSATU is bigger than Vavi, however when Sdumo Dalmini was addressing a COSATU march, Vavi's supports chanted pro Vavi slogans. So where was the COSATU bigger than Vavi. We are made to believe that individual cannot be tail wagging the organizations. But it is clear the influence of influential individuals should not be discounted as marginal. Who was greater between the NAZI party and Adolf Hitler? Could the NAZI Party have thrived without Hitler? Sobukwe was not infallible as any human being. But, he seemed to have more recognition than the PAC. Was the PAC greater than him?I am not upholding individualism per se, but I am trying to bear out the importance of visible and recognizable leadership in political formations. To the PAC context The PAC has been suffering organizational paralysis for a long time, until now, it has not managed to produce a leader who can be visible to the masses. PAC leaders are hardly known to the masses. Go to the street, ask people who is the president of the PAC (forget about the asking who is the acting president). The answer that you will get is I don't know'. Sadly, if the EFF is going to undercut us in the forthcoming elections, I will be justified in my argument that the PAC has a deficiency of a strong leader. History has long proven the thrust of my arguments, late comers for example such as Teror Lekota of COPE performed much better than us in elections, despite having less than a year before contesting. Comrades are denying that the EFF has stolen our thunder, we may rationalise this denialism , but people joining the EFF are saying we have found the organisation concerned about the total emancipation of the African people. Someone who recently joined the EFF told me that for a long time the African people have been without hope because the ANC sold out. So, haven't we been saying the same thing? The difference is that we were never heard because no visible leader was able to transmit that message across to the masses. I strongly believe in what the PAC stands for, but unlike other organisations, my PAC doesn't have a visible leader. If you have noticed I used the phrase 'visible leader', I did this deliberately because many years ago while I was working in a hotel at Santon, I was privileged to be a waiter in a conference of political scientists and I asked one of them if the PAC was relevant and his simple answer was: the PAC needs a visible leader. I believe this is still relevant today. kind regards Mduduzi Sibeko Distribution Customer Service Coordinator [cid:image001.png@01CEEE24.02B1C080] T +27-11-724-9300/01 C +27-71-101-2595 F 086-754-2176 E msib...@randwater.co.za www.randwater.co.zahttp://www.randwater.co.za A life spent making mistakes is not only more honorable, but more useful than a life spent doing nothing. George Bernard Shaw Disclaimer The information contained in this communication from the sender is confidential. It is intended solely for use by the recipient and others authorized to receive it. If you are not the recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or taking action in relation of the contents of this information is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. This email has been scanned for viruses and malware, and automatically archived by Mimecast SA (Pty) Ltd, an innovator in Software as a Service (SaaS) for business
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Cde Nkrumah, Ndebele, Seroke It is almost twenty years since we have been trying to resuscitate ourselves from the ashes of rivalry and infighting. To retrospect, from our poor electoral showing of 1994, the PAC had always had an agenda of revamping leadership. It is unfortunate that the ideal leadership has not come forth, aggravating is the fact that from then, our electoral support has been dwindling from 5 members in parliament to 1. By and large, new kids on the block in the political spectrum in South Africa have always undercut our position and relevance. One writer in this platform reported that in Limpompo members of the PAC have joined the EFF. In Daveyton we are Launching a branch, and we have committed Africanists, but will we sustain this potential. The EFF has received an untold publicity in the media and elsewhere, and disgruntled people from the ANC have found it to be a viable political alternative. Can we survive or we are just relying on our liberation struggle heritage ?. which transition of leadership in PAC has taken place without scuffle from 1994. Izwe Lethu Mduduzi Sibeko Disclaimer The information contained in this communication from the sender is confidential. It is intended solely for use by the recipient and others authorized to receive it. If you are not the recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or taking action in relation of the contents of this information is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. This email has been scanned for viruses and malware, and automatically archived by Mimecast SA (Pty) Ltd, an innovator in Software as a Service (SaaS) for business. Mimecast Unified Email Management (UEM) offers email continuity, security, archiving and compliance with all current legislation. To find out more, visit http://www.mimecast.co.za/uem. -- -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Pan Africanist Youth Congress group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to payco+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
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[Description: Letlapa Mphahlele, president of the Pan Africanist Congress. Picture: SOWETAN] Letlapa Mphahlele, president of the Pan Africanist Congress. Picture: SOWETAN THE president of the Pan Africanist Congress (PAC), Letlapa Mphahlele, has filed an urgent court interdict against National Assembly speaker Max Sisulu and rivals within his party in a bid to prevent him being replaced in Parliament. Should Mr Mphahlele be replaced as the PAC's only MP, it could scupper opposition parties' plans to join forces and to get the necessary one-third of MPs to take the secrecy bill to the Constitutional Court. While he has been opposed to the bill, there was no indication what stance his proposed replacement - PAC deputy president Alton Mpheti - would take. Opposition parties have a total of 137 seats in the National Assembly. The Congress of the People (COPE) had one vacant seat, and every opposition member's vote is essential should they decide to go ahead with their Constitutional Court action. On Thursday, the Western Cape High Court postponed hearing the matter until next Wednesday. The PAC has long been riddled with leadership issues, and is split along factional lines. Mr Mpheti was meant to have been sworn in as an MP on Thursday, but that has been delayed indefinitely. However, former Limpopo premier Cassel Mathale was sworn in as an MP without incident. Democratic Alliance chief whip Watty Watson said: This is the problem with the smaller parties. They can be king makers or they can create great mischief. The African National Congress (ANC) used its majority to override the opposition parties in April by voting for the secrecy bill. President Zuma has not yet signed the bill into law. PAC spokesman Apa Pooe, as well as Mr Mphahlele, accused the ANC and Mr Sisulu of deliberately interfering in his party and ignoring a court case that confirmed Mr Mphahlele as the party's president. It is true, that Mr Sisulu has gone ahead and allowed for Mr Mphahlele's replacement, despite being aware of correspondence sent from our party's national executive committee, Mr Pooe said. He said the PAC remained opposed to the Protection of State Information Bill as the party felt that it had no place in an open and transparent democracy. One must ask why do they want our leader replaced now? The PAC is divided into two groups. PAC secretary-general Narius Moloto leads one faction and Mr Mphahlele the other. A court case dealing with the matter that found in favour of Mr Mphahlele is under appeal. A similar situation occurred in 2011 when the COPE leadership was under dispute and Parliament would not allow COPE to fill the seat until a court ruling. PAC national chairman Waters Toboti said: The worst part of it is to discover that the speaker of Parliament has a hand as he was advising the people how to expel the (PAC) president. Parliament spokesman Luzuko Jacobs said Mr Sisulu rejected allegation that he took sides in the PAC dispute. A life spent making mistakes is not only more honorable, but more useful than a life spent doing nothing. George Bernard Shawhttp://www.quotationspage.com/quotes/George_Bernard_Shaw/ kind regards Mduduzi Sibeko Distribution Customer Service Coordinator [cid:image002.png@01CE8AAB.737B1550] T +27-11-724-9300/01 C +27-71-101-2595 F 086-754-2176 E msib...@randwater.co.za www.randwater.co.za This email and any accompanying attachments may contain confidential and proprietary information. This information is private and protected by law and, accordingly, if you are not the intended recipient, you are requested to delete this entire communication immediately and are notified that any disclosure, copying or distribution of or taking any action based on this information is prohibited. Emails cannot be guaranteed to be secure or free of errors or viruses. The sender does not accept any liability or responsibility for any interception, corruption, destruction, loss, late arrival or incompleteness of or tampering or interference with any of the information contained in this email or for its incorrect delivery or non-delivery for whatsoever reason or for its effect on any electronic device of the recipient. Views and opinions expressed or implied in this email are those of the sender unless clearly stated as being that of Rand Water. If verification of this email or any attachment is required, please request a hard-copy version. Report illegal or suspicious activities! Use the Anti-Corruption Hotline - phone toll free 0800 212 364 -- -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Pan Africanist Youth Congress group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails
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Cde Ndebele, Seroke and Nkrumah Thami ka plaatjie penned an open letter to Julias Malema wherein he pleaded with him not to form a new rival political formation against the ANC. In his letter he wrote Angry with the ANC and disgusted by the extent to which the communists had infiltrated its ranks, a crop of youth leaguers based in Orlando broke ranks with the ANC in 1958. Before they could finalise their decision they approached AP Mda, one of the founders of the ANC Youth League and a close alter-ego of Anton Lembede, for counsel. Mda advised that the youth should work within the ranks of the ANC and systematically advocate their views' Their leader, Robert Sobukwe, challenged the advice and argued that: Mda's ideas are no longer sacrosanct. He wrote this letter in his counsel to Malema to learn from historical antecedent that rival formations against the ANC would always fail. Strangely, if you follow his argument from the above cited passage, he ends his narrative of the so called 'crop of youth leaguers based in Orlando' without saying that the PAC did not succeed because Mda had advised that youth should work within the ranks of the ANC and systematically advocate their views'. As he points out that Sobukwe didn't believe in the sacrosanctity of the views of Mda. One would have expected the letter to tell us that the challenge of the infiltration of the communist within the ranks of the ANC in the 1950's was misguided. This is a point which Thami is eluding if not glossing over it. I have learned that he is writing a biography of Sobukwe, some of the findings of his research should be taken with the pinch of the salt. For instance, in the documentary of Sobuwe which was screened by SABC: he says there were some attempts to get Sobukwe escaped to exile, which Sobuwe rejected. Had he derided Sobukwe, I would have waited with keen interest to read his biography of Sobukwe. Some few years ago, I spoke to him about disbanding PAM and coming back to the PAC, he said to me: ' the wounds of our division are so deep, they need some time to heal he continued we should always venerate Sobuwe It seems that he is at pains to enter the fray of the community of PAC detractors. It is one thing to cherish certain ethos, and another thing to join the ranks of those with antithetical views of what you have believed in. some years before 1994, Dr Ziba Jiyane who was the secretary general of the IFP said: the IFP believes that there is only one race and the race is the human race. This plagiarism of the PAC values was indicative of an embedded PAC's philosophy within himself Jiyane.Thami is no different to other dissidents, I believe he has some emotional conflict between Charterism and Pan Africanism. This may be covert, but the man himself knows what he believes in. this draws me to one Biblical Jonah who was sent to Nineveh but decided to change his trip. The tempest did not give him rest. As a writer and a researcher, Thami will always find difficulties in reconciling Charterism and Pan Africanism, unless he has discarded Pan Africanism completely. Perhaps the fact that we are not in government wherein people can reap from the state's accruals such as lucrative government positions and tenders, people see that staying within the PAC is a waste of their talents. I could be wrong in my assessment, please give me your views. kind regards Mduduzi Sibeko Distribution Customer Service Coordinator [cid:image001.png@01CE74A9.5A37E270] T +27-11-724-9300/01 C +27-71-101-2595 F 086-754-2176 E msib...@randwater.co.za www.randwater.co.za This email and any accompanying attachments may contain confidential and proprietary information. This information is private and protected by law and, accordingly, if you are not the intended recipient, you are requested to delete this entire communication immediately and are notified that any disclosure, copying or distribution of or taking any action based on this information is prohibited. Emails cannot be guaranteed to be secure or free of errors or viruses. The sender does not accept any liability or responsibility for any interception, corruption, destruction, loss, late arrival or incompleteness of or tampering or interference with any of the information contained in this email or for its incorrect delivery or non-delivery for whatsoever reason or for its effect on any electronic device of the recipient. Views and opinions expressed or implied in this email are those of the sender unless clearly stated as being that of Rand Water. If verification of this email or any attachment is required, please request a hard-copy version. Report illegal or suspicious activities! Use the Anti-Corruption Hotline - phone toll free 0800 212 364 -- -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco
[PAYCO] FW: Vacancy: Senior Process Controller - Pumping
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[PAYCO] FW: Vacancy: Secretary Admin Assistant - HR
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Cde Nkrumah Find the rejoinder to Thami Kaplatjie from Julius Malema. Observe how extols Mangaliso Sobukwe. It is very surprising that it is the same PAC that he has been deriding. http://www.politicsweb.co.za/politicsweb/view/politicsweb/en/page71619?oid=383788sn=Detailpid=71619 kind regards Mduduzi Sibeko Distribution Customer Service Coordinator [cid:image001.png@01CE6C3E.C237EBE0] T +27-11-724-9300/01 C +27-71-101-2595 F 086-754-2176 E msib...@randwater.co.za www.randwater.co.za This email and any accompanying attachments may contain confidential and proprietary information. This information is private and protected by law and, accordingly, if you are not the intended recipient, you are requested to delete this entire communication immediately and are notified that any disclosure, copying or distribution of or taking any action based on this information is prohibited. Emails cannot be guaranteed to be secure or free of errors or viruses. The sender does not accept any liability or responsibility for any interception, corruption, destruction, loss, late arrival or incompleteness of or tampering or interference with any of the information contained in this email or for its incorrect delivery or non-delivery for whatsoever reason or for its effect on any electronic device of the recipient. Views and opinions expressed or implied in this email are those of the sender unless clearly stated as being that of Rand Water. If verification of this email or any attachment is required, please request a hard-copy version. Report illegal or suspicious activities! Use the Anti-Corruption Hotline - phone toll free 0800 212 364 -- -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Pan Africanist Youth Congress group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to payco+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. inline: image001.png
RE: [PAYCO] Re: Biography of Mfanasekhaya Gqobose
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SACP support of North Korea is absurd. It is true that the Democratic Republic Of Korea has waged an unwavering fight against the Western imperialism. More specifically the USA. It is apparent now that the military might of the USA is under an unprecedented challenge after the collapse of the Soviet Union in the early 90's.Armed with more than 1.1 million foot soldiers, sophisticated artillery, tanks, nuclear warheads, just to mention a few of its military hardware, the DPRK seems unperturbed by the USA, and it provides the desired balance of power in the international political system. But, personally, I am averse to the nuclear weapons which it is disposed to shell South Korea. If it does it, humankind will experience the most severe destruction in this century. Learning from the Japanese experience, Nuclear weapons should never be fired as they will kill people indiscriminately, they can even extend their impact on areas not intended. So now, the SACP has voiced its support to the DPRK. What support does it offer to North Korea ? The sovereignty if the DPRK is not in dispute, but the usage of nuclear weapons is against humanity. The same SACP in government with the ANC, what does it say ? South African government should support countries to amass deadly nukes ? I am sceptical of the SACP. Mfanasekhaya Gqoboshe once said they were never communists, but quacks This email and any accompanying attachments may contain confidential and proprietary information. This information is private and protected by law and, accordingly, if you are not the intended recipient, you are requested to delete this entire communication immediately and are notified that any disclosure, copying or distribution of or taking any action based on this information is prohibited. Emails cannot be guaranteed to be secure or free of errors or viruses. The sender does not accept any liability or responsibility for any interception, corruption, destruction, loss, late arrival or incompleteness of or tampering or interference with any of the information contained in this email or for its incorrect delivery or non-delivery for whatsoever reason or for its effect on any electronic device of the recipient. Views and opinions expressed or implied in this email are those of the sender unless clearly stated as being that of Rand Water. If verification of this email or any attachment is required, please request a hard-copy version. Report illegal or suspicious activities! Use the Anti-Corruption Hotline - phone toll free 0800 212 364 -- -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Pan Africanist Youth Congress group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to payco+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
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[PAYCO] FW: Instrument Assistant
From: Kurt Scheepers Sent: 20 March 2013 10:27 AM To: Abigail More; Adel Chambers; Amos Ndou; Andreas Mathebula; Andrew Meintjes; Archie Mbongo; Barry Nel; Bianca Kleber; Bukiwe Kima; Cleopas Chitaka; Constance Mlaba; David Leach; David Msebenzi; Dirk Roos; Dirk Trollope; Edmen Vavane; Fanie Sebiloane; Francine Nel; Francis Barker; Hermanus Van Staden; Ina Louw; Janikie Maria Malope; Johannes Aphane; Jonas Mokoena; Joseph Machobane; Joseph Ntuli; Julia Motaung; Kevin Klopper; Khosi Tshabalala; Lawrence Ndonyane; Makoro Masina; Mandlenkosi Zwane; Masedi Rakabe; Mduduzi Sibeko; Meadiatricks Mofokeng; Michael Zikalala; Minah Mochane; Mpho Ncwadi; Nadira Jansen; Nhlanhla Mthalane; Nhlanhla Myeza; Nokuthula Msebenzi; Nonkosi Sibande; Nthabiseng Lydia Starck; Nzwanayi Ngirazi; Paul Thabaneng; Phanuel Ngobeni; Pieter Coertzen; Qhashile Wolf; Richard Baloyi; Sandiswa Dasi; Sibusiso Nkosi; Siva Govender; Stella Phiri; Sunhet Prinsloo; Tebogo Molete; Thapelo Malinga; Thembi Polisa; William Mohanoe; Boitumelo Molekwa; Farah Imam; Farouk Khan; Gerrie Labuschagne; John Roberts; Londani Lithole; Carl Kleynhans; Daniel Nolte; Daniel Oor; Deon Fourie; Hendrik Roets; Hercules Pieterse; Lesenyeho Mahao; Magdeline Tloti; Maria Faku; Mark Small; Paul Mahlangu; Phineas Maswanganyi; Pulumo Ranyathole; Rudolf Van Lingen; Saki More; Stephen Hendriks; Surendhra Gobindram; Tefelo Chaba; Tinus Behrens; Tshidi Moloi; Tshwane Hlanyane; Vernon Smith; Willie Nkutha; Anisha Govender; Elias Molefe; Falaza Makhubele; Julian Myeko; Kurt Scheepers; Lee Naicker; Lee-Anne Norton; Mkhacani Sambo; Steven Vorster Cc: Chris Jansen; David Ndou; Hettie Rance; Jenna Billett; Kobus bierman; Lizet Bosman; Lynn Ridderhof; Macdonald Kganakga; Marleze Jansen Van Nieuwenhuizen; Michele Ziesing; Nellie Dlamini; Nkosingiphile Moloe; Shadrack Letsoalo; Sherry Johnson; Wayne Hiscock; Richard Luther Subject: Instrument Assistant From: Thinus Janse Van Rensburg Posted At: 19 March 2013 02:17 PM Posted To: Staff Vacancies Conversation: Instrument Assistant Subject: Instrument Assistant PM Janse van Rensburg (Thinus) Human Resources Water Treatment Plant, Zuikerbosch Operatios Portfolio [cid:image002.jpg@01CA5626.C30DADC0] T +27-16-425-8203 tjvren...@randwater.co.zamailto:x...@randwater.co.za www.randwater.co.zahttp://www.randwater.co.za/ inline: image001.jpgThis email and any accompanying attachments may contain confidential and proprietary information. This information is private and protected by law and, accordingly, if you are not the intended recipient, you are requested to delete this entire communication immediately and are notified that any disclosure, copying or distribution of or taking any action based on this information is prohibited. Emails cannot be guaranteed to be secure or free of errors or viruses. The sender does not accept any liability or responsibility for any interception, corruption, destruction, loss, late arrival or incompleteness of or tampering or interference with any of the information contained in this email or for its incorrect delivery or non-delivery for whatsoever reason or for its effect on any electronic device of the recipient. Views and opinions expressed or implied in this email are those of the sender unless clearly stated as being that of Rand Water. If verification of this email or any attachment is required, please request a hard-copy version. Report illegal or suspicious activities! Use the Anti-Corruption Hotline - phone toll free 0800 212 364 Instrument Assistant.docx Description: Instrument Assistant.docx -- -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Pan Africanist Youth Congress group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to payco+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[PAYCO] FW: Senior Process Supervisor
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Cde Seroke Who is Ethel Khopung. I saw a book titled Apartheid, the Story of a Dispossessed People. This email and any accompanying attachments may contain confidential and proprietary information. This information is private and protected by law and, accordingly, if you are not the intended recipient, you are requested to delete this entire communication immediately and are notified that any disclosure, copying or distribution of or taking any action based on this information is prohibited. Emails cannot be guaranteed to be secure or free of errors or viruses. The sender does not accept any liability or responsibility for any interception, corruption, destruction, loss, late arrival or incompleteness of or tampering or interference with any of the information contained in this email or for its incorrect delivery or non-delivery for whatsoever reason or for its effect on any electronic device of the recipient. Views and opinions expressed or implied in this email are those of the sender unless clearly stated as being that of Rand Water. If verification of this email or any attachment is required, please request a hard-copy version. Report illegal or suspicious activities! Use the Anti-Corruption Hotline - phone toll free 0800 212 364 -- -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Pan Africanist Youth Congress group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to payco+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
RE: [PAYCO] Prince Osagyefo Jinika Is No More
Cde Seroke Cde Jinika was a vociferous debater and a speaker. I was personally brought into the PAC by him in the early 90's. One of his speeches which have remains indelible in my heart was made in 1993 following the assassination of Chris Hani. Cde Jinika openly castigated the ANC in its memorial service of Hani for prematurely suspending armed struggle. He went on to say today, I give you a new slogan COSAS by day and MK by night. The crowd was extremely enlivened by his remarks. On that day, the PAC received more than 50 members in Daveyton. The sad reality in this country is that other heroes, such as Jinika will end up in oblivion. He will be highly remembered. -Original Message- From: payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:payco@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jaki Seroke Sent: 08 February 2013 11:10 AM To: Nkrumah Kgagudi ; PAYCO forum Subject: Re: [PAYCO] Prince Osagyefo Jinika Is No More Jinika will be sorely missed. His contributions in the effort to re-build the Pan Africanist Congress of Azania are immeasurable. We could safely say he truly dedicated his time and life in the struggle in the same terms as that of the Osagyefo, Kwame Nkrumah. He insisted that we meet regularly once a month at the Braamfontein offices of Comrade Sthembele Khala, to discuss and deliberate on the political conundrum that besets the PAC - and come out with practical and honest answers. We then held a seminar in early 2006 at Wits University, that Jinika selflessly organised, and brought in independent academics for a robust debate, where we agreed that the Africanists had immense potential to lead the masses in a second phase of transformation and change. We had also identified the external and internal pitfalls that could undermine that revolutionary process. Regrettably, some hotheads in the same discussion group went ahead to plunge the PAC in the disastrous road that led to a further decline. Prince Jinika is for me an outstanding cadre in the Party. Principled, dedicated, committed and unswerving in his loyalty to the concrete ideas of Mangaliso Sobukwe, Kwame Nkrumah and Kwame Toure. The sad news of his sudden passing hits home very hard. They also mean a re-awakening to his push for a well organised and ideologically sound PAC. Izwe lethu iAfrika. Jaki Seroke Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! -Original Message- From: Nkrumah Kgagudi nrkgag...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 08:26:56 To: payco@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [PAYCO] Prince Osagyefo Jinika Is No More Comrades and friends These are heart breaking and sad news indeed. Moafrika Prince Jinika, a humble comrade! we shall remember as we remain inspired by his self-lessness and contributions made and for the sacrifices he made in crafting the Pan Africanist Path particularly in the labour movement and across the landscape of Azania. The complete cadre we lost, who will remains irreplaceable. Shango lashu Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi From: payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:payco@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mpuka Radinku Sent: 08 February 2013 09:52 AM To: payco@googlegroups.com Subject: [PAYCO] Prince Osagyefo Jinika Is No More Comrades I have just received an sms message from MoAfrika Tsietsi Molebatsi and Malusi Maqubela which reports that MoAfrika Prince Jinika has passed away. Prince was one of the many, many valued comrades who in their youth, particularly in the 1980s and 1990s, contributed immensely to the growth of the PAC. He was a revolutionary who carried the Pan-Africanist flag in the uniform of Azanyu, the PAC and the Labour movement, serving in several NACTU Unions. He will forever be remembered for his tenacious belief in Pan Africanism and his tireless contribution to the struggle - both practically and in the shaping of ideas. To use Fidel Castro Ruz's remark about the death of Che Guevara, one of the many legacies of Prince, at least for some of us, is that he left us with the value of EXAMPLE. The sms message I received states only the following details: Memorial service: Date: TODAY, Friday, 8 February 2013 Venue: At Home, Daveyton, Shongwe Street Time: 4:00pm Funeral arrangements: Date: TOMORROW, Saturday, 9 February 2013 Venue: Daveyton - Garden Village in Daveyton, Church next to Oasis church - opposite Lesiba Sec School Time: Service starts at 8:00 am Mpuka -- -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com mailto:payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com http://www.mayihlome.wordpress.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Pan Africanist Youth Congress group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to
RE: [PAYCO] PAC PIMVILLE BRANCH COMMUNITY PROTEST
Comrade what is your cell number -Original Message- From: payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:payco@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Nkrumah Sent: 03 February 2013 08:23 PM To: payco@googlegroups.com Subject: [PAYCO] PAC PIMVILLE BRANCH COMMUNITY PROTEST Shango lashu Find attached PAC Pimville branch led community protest against the installation of electricity and water prepaid meters. The protest march it a great success. On the 14 February 2013 PAC Chiawelo branch members will be appearing at the Johannesburg high court for the community protest against the green boxes installed without community consent. PAC members and branches in Johannesburg region and also other areas are encouraged to provide support by attending the high court session. For details contact Moafrika Lehlohonolo Shale. Izwe lethu Nkrumah Sent from Samsung tablet -- -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Pan Africanist Youth Congress group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to payco+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. This email and any accompanying attachments may contain confidential and proprietary information. This information is private and protected by law and, accordingly, if you are not the intended recipient, you are requested to delete this entire communication immediately and are notified that any disclosure, copying or distribution of or taking any action based on this information is prohibited. Emails cannot be guaranteed to be secure or free of errors or viruses. The sender does not accept any liability or responsibility for any interception, corruption, destruction, loss, late arrival or incompleteness of or tampering or interference with any of the information contained in this email or for its incorrect delivery or non-delivery for whatsoever reason or for its effect on any electronic device of the recipient. Views and opinions expressed or implied in this email are those of the sender unless clearly stated as being that of Rand Water. If verification of this email or any attachment is required, please request a hard-copy version. Report illegal or suspicious activities! Use the Anti-Corruption Hotline - phone toll free 0800 212 364 -- -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Pan Africanist Youth Congress group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to payco+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
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Competing political ideologies: post- 1976 On 19 October 1977 the government banned all the BC-aligned structures and newspapers opposing it like The World. Furthermore, it arrested political activists and journalists. In Tembisa, James Moleya was one of the activists who were arrested. It was against this backdrop that members of the BC began to debate whether the time had not come for them to turn to the armed struggle. Although few activists from Tembisa were able to flee the country into exile, the majority remained in the country and focused their efforts on political mobilization.48 Just like in the 1960s after the banning of black political organizations, the government's offensive against the BC movement had managed to instill fear in many people. It was for this reason that Jaki Seroke, who later joined the PAC, established a reading club to continue mobilizing people. Seroke recalls: In 1978 and 1979 we had Babupi (The Creators, in SeSotho) reading club. We were using it as a front to mobilize, because we felt that we needed to mobilize people and conscientise them. We would give them books. I was already writing for newspapers like The Voice, and also writing poetry to mobilize. We used to go to the Germiston train station ... to give people material. We were together with Thlaki Lekganyane, Mogale ... There were many of us. Two particular publications sharpened the ideological divisions in Tembisa. First, it was the booklet that Jaki Seroke distributed amongst members of his reading group. This booklet was very critical of the ANC leadership. Greg Malebo remembers: In 1979, Jaki Seroke came with a book called Naledi or something. It was a PAC book. It really lambasted Oliver Tambo and we were drawn to it and we discussed it. [It argued] 'Look, Oliver Tambo is globetrotting, he's not doing anything. Why is he not in Zambia?' Because we had influence in Tembisa we were now recruiting for the PAC. We would have a supply from Jaki [Seroke]. Clearly the message in the booklet implied that Tambo had forsaken the struggle and was enjoying himself travelling around the world. This view was summarily quashed after another publication was distributed in the township to explain the reason for Tambo's world-wide travels. Lazarus Mawela recalls: After the banning of the BC-aligned formations and the newspapers, the arrest of people like James Moleya and the death of Biko, people started debating the issue of armed struggle. Some were saying we need to fight. It was at this stage that ideological differences surfaced. The ANC and PAC (Willie Modupo and Bra David Makgaga, Jaki Seroke followed the PAC). Mnyele had links with the ANC. I was given a book titled The ANC Speaks by Matthew Moomakwe. But at this stage we could no longer meet freely because of the security police's focus on some of our members. The book outlined the Morogoro conference and the four pillars of struggle by the ANC. However, it was the contentious debate around the Freedom Charter that sharpened the ideological divisions more. Seroke had come across a copy of the Freedom Charter, which was banned at the time, and distributed copies of it to the members of his reading group. He recalls: ...at this stage there were great debates around the position of the ANC: what does the ANC stand for? And I came across the ANC's Freedom Charter and I tried to use that as part of our discussion of the ANC with my colleagues and friends. These were the young guys in Tembisa who were in the Black Consciousness that I was trying to recruit. The idea was to ask the question 'do we go with it?' and what was the Freedom Charter all about? I rewrote the Freedom Charter - word for word, and then made copies for others to read and understand. Somehow news got to the security police that there were copies of the Freedom Charter doing rounds and I was responsible. Greg Malebo, who received a copy and was involved in the discussions about the objectives of the Freedom Charter, remembers that they rejected it. In his words: We were lambasting the Freedom Charter like you won't believe. We were young and thought it was a waste of time. The question of international mobilization, we didn't care about that. Malebo's position on the Freedom Charter was finally altered by Steve Bopape, the owner of 'Steve's Place', a shebeen in Tembisa. Malebo and the other members of his reading club had become regular patrons at the shebeen. Malebo recalls that Bopape would listen to them arguing about the Freedom Charter, particularly the preamble 'South Africa belongs to all who live in it'. Those who opposed the Freedom Charter contended that South Africa cannot belong to all who live in it but instead should belong to Africans. Malebo takes up the story: Steve came up and [told] us the importance of the charter. [He] would in a
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[PAYCO] FW: Vacancy : Workshop Assistant (Electrical)
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Cde Seroke and Ndebele There is this Eddie Cross who is a member of parliament under MDC in Zimbabwe. He is somewhere credited with an anti-white minority of rule of Ian Smith in the then Rhodesia. Recently he wrote an article under the caption' Why Zimbabwe (and Africa) is so poor' . He begins his article by lauding the post independent state from Rhodesia with its impressive economic growth. With economic indicators, he points out that the GDP per capita in Zimbabwe was among the highest in the developing countries. Then comes what went wrong, he dismisses the theory of 'blacks can't manage' and brands it as racist. But this is a sheer flattery calculated at driving a wedge of white minority interests. Among other reasons responsible for an economic ebb, he conveniently single out property rights which he believes that they were violated. The expropriation of land by war veterans in Zimbabwe in the past decade has been attributed to the current problems of Zimbabwe by those wanting to maintain the status quo. The similar problem besets us here in Azania, from 1994 up to the finalization of the constitution in 1996. A myriad of capitulating compromises were clinched. To make an example, the Bill of rights, which among other things protect whites to retain control of the land which was stolen away from our forefathers. It would seem that the ANC in power was doing well in redressing the problems created by apartheid. However, the penny finally dropped when the land question was resuscitated by the ANCYL. The ANC leadership treated its youngsters (youth league) harshly for raising these facts. The ANC did not admit that ill thought compromises such as the bill of rights was responsible for an economic status quo which favors whites. Instead, it harped on patience. So when the ANCYL unleashed what it called economic freedom in our lifetime with a concomitant of expropriation of land without compensation. It was considered that the ANCYL had let the cat out of the bag. The reason I am raising this issue is because western imperialist interests and the indoctrination of neo-colonialism in reactionary forces such as the MDC have diverted the core problem of Africa, which is land dispossession. But the PAC is continually bleeding from the bruises of factionalism, these wounds never heal. 50 years in the making of unity, we are failing to take a center stage instead we recede to the periphery. Ideally, All those who are disenchanted with the ANC should not even attempt to build new parties instead the PAC should gather the spoils from the ANC's wreckage. Lastly, the land question remains pivotal. This email and any accompanying attachments may contain confidential and proprietary information. This information is private and protected by law and, accordingly, if you are not the intended recipient, you are requested to delete this entire communication immediately and are notified that any disclosure, copying or distribution of or taking any action based on this information is prohibited. Emails cannot be guaranteed to be secure or free of errors or viruses. The sender does not accept any liability or responsibility for any interception, corruption, destruction, loss, late arrival or incompleteness of or tampering or interference with any of the information contained in this email or for its incorrect delivery or non-delivery for whatsoever reason or for its effect on any electronic device of the recipient. Views and opinions expressed or implied in this email are those of the sender unless clearly stated as being that of Rand Water. If verification of this email or any attachment is required, please request a hard-copy version. Report illegal or suspicious activities! Use the Anti-Corruption Hotline - phone toll free 0800 212 364 -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com
RE: [PAYCO] Digest for payco@googlegroups.com - 1 Message in 1 Topic
Who is Queen Zuma ? From: payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:payco@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Abdurrahman Nelson Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2012 8:31 PM To: payco@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [PAYCO] Digest for payco@googlegroups.com - 1 Message in 1 Topic Get rid of Queen Zuma. Abd From: payco@googlegroups.commailto:payco@googlegroups.com payco@googlegroups.commailto:payco@googlegroups.com To: Digest Recipients payco@googlegroups.commailto:payco@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 2, 2012 8:20 PM Subject: [PAYCO] Digest for payco@googlegroups.commailto:payco@googlegroups.com - 1 Message in 1 Topic Today's Topic Summary Group: http://groups.google.com/group/payco/topics * [No Subject]http://us.mg5.mail.yahoo.com/neo/#group_thread_0 [1 Update] [No Subject]http://groups.google.com/group/payco/t/191e606bcb4351a7 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Group payco. You can post via emailmailto:payco@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, sendmailto:payco+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com an empty message. For more options, visithttp://groups.google.com/group/payco/topics this group. -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.commailto:payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.commailto:payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.comhttp://www.mayihlome.wordpress.com -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.commailto:payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.commailto:payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.comhttp://www.mayihlome.wordpress.com This email and any accompanying attachments may contain confidential and proprietary information. This information is private and protected by law and, accordingly, if you are not the intended recipient, you are requested to delete this entire communication immediately and are notified that any disclosure, copying or distribution of or taking any action based on this information is prohibited. Emails cannot be guaranteed to be secure or free of errors or viruses. The sender does not accept any liability or responsibility for any interception, corruption, destruction, loss, late arrival or incompleteness of or tampering or interference with any of the information contained in this email or for its incorrect delivery or non-delivery for whatsoever reason or for its effect on any electronic device of the recipient. Views and opinions expressed or implied in this email are those of the sender unless clearly stated as being that of Rand Water. If verification of this email or any attachment is required, please request a hard-copy version. Report illegal or suspicious activities! Use the Anti-Corruption Hotline - phone toll free 0800 212 364 -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com
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Good day Seroke and Ndebele The other day, I asked a question about ANC if it could tell the history about the PAC. I was watching a video clip from YouTube, when Jacob Zuma mocked Letlapa Mphahlele. He said I have never come across an instance when the PAC honors its heroes this was a response from an statement which Letlapa had made the previous day in parliament that the ANC does not honor PAC heroes. Mphahlele cited the operation vila peri which was fought in Mozambique under the command of General Kondlo in the seventies. if there was any war which was fought in another country, it is the duty of the PAC to tell people, unless one is staying in another country, Azania said Zuma. Since 1994, no ANC president has ridiculed the PAC than Jacob Zuma. But I see that the PAC, like in exile years, does not have a rebuttal machinery to offset such humiliating a scorn. The PAC is only visible on the limelight namely on events such as Sharpeville day or June 16.it is disquieting when we see the PAC as a dormant movement. One writer in this circulation referred to PAC people as cadres on wheelchairs. Why are those in the leadership of the PAC failing to put the PAC where it should be ? I am worried, it seems that we are gradually moving towards extinction, despite having a history. De Klerk one said the PAC is the most dangerous movement in this country. The PAC, then, was astute, it responded in the media by saying it was concerned about the liberation of the African people. This email and any accompanying attachments may contain confidential and proprietary information. This information is private and protected by law and, accordingly, if you are not the intended recipient, you are requested to delete this entire communication immediately and are notified that any disclosure, copying or distribution of or taking any action based on this information is prohibited. Emails cannot be guaranteed to be secure or free of errors or viruses. The sender does not accept any liability or responsibility for any interception, corruption, destruction, loss, late arrival or incompleteness of or tampering or interference with any of the information contained in this email or for its incorrect delivery or non-delivery for whatsoever reason or for its effect on any electronic device of the recipient. Views and opinions expressed or implied in this email are those of the sender unless clearly stated as being that of Rand Water. If verification of this email or any attachment is required, please request a hard-copy version. Report illegal or suspicious activities! Use the Anti-Corruption Hotline - phone toll free 0800 212 364 -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com
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Cde Seroke,Ndebele Can the ANC tell the history about PAC heroes ? can they credit us with any prestige ? kind regards Mduduzi Sibeko Admin/finance [Description: cid:image001.jpg@01CD276E.55683170] T +27-11-724-9281 C +27-71-101-2595 F +27-11-900-1929 F 086-754-2176 E msib...@randwater.co.zamailto:msib...@randwater.co.za www.randwater.co.zahttp://www.randwater.co.za This email and any accompanying attachments may contain confidential and proprietary information. This information is private and protected by law and, accordingly, if you are not the intended recipient, you are requested to delete this entire communication immediately and are notified that any disclosure, copying or distribution of or taking any action based on this information is prohibited. Emails cannot be guaranteed to be secure or free of errors or viruses. The sender does not accept any liability or responsibility for any interception, corruption, destruction, loss, late arrival or incompleteness of or tampering or interference with any of the information contained in this email or for its incorrect delivery or non-delivery for whatsoever reason or for its effect on any electronic device of the recipient. Views and opinions expressed or implied in this email are those of the sender unless clearly stated as being that of Rand Water. If verification of this email or any attachment is required, please request a hard-copy version. Report illegal or suspicious activities! Use the Anti-Corruption Hotline - phone toll free 0800 212 364 -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com inline: image001.jpg
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Cde Seroke Yesterday, I read the book I purchased some years ago penned by Brain Pottinger titled ' the legacy of Mbeki'. With an expectation of gleaning an insightful account of what happened to the country during Mbeki's tenure which abruptly ended in his recall. A number of thorny issues are raised in the book, among them are the controversial arms deal, AIDS denialism, poor service delivery and the whatnot. At the beginning of the book, he does not mince his words castigating Mbeki for yearning for a third term of office in two approaches which he refers to as the Putin option and the Abasanjo option. Even though the work is critical, but it is not balanced against the backdrop of fair criticism, I have noted something about white writers, no African will ever do good. hypothetically speaking if the DA was to dislodge the ANC from power in the next election. I tell you, there would be an euphoria among white writers and academics. I was saddened some months ago when the DA staged its protest at COSATU offices over the issue of wage subsidy for the youth because the upshot was an African injuring another African. It is true that we are in a pluralistic polity which recognize the freedom of association. But it is very regrettable that some Africans have obviated their dignity and right to self-determination. thinking a white woman would support their course. even though I do not believe that the media should be stifled, but it is true that the media in this country is serving the interest of white capitalists. The same writer, critiquing the BEE and affirmative action, I am at pains to find out his position or critical pen about what the National Party did after it got to power in 1948 , when it uplifted impoverished afrikanners.it was good then, probably he would argue, but with Africans its 'reengineering of racism' just to use his phraseology. Sobukwe is relevant, his teaching are enduring in our hearts. If Africans can be taught intellectual self-reliance, we could offset the reactionary forces of Herrenvolkism. kind regards Mduduzi Sibeko Admin/finance [Description: cid:image001.jpg@01CD276E.55683170] T +27-11-724-9281 C +27-71-101-2595 F +27-11-900-1929 F 086-754-2176 E msib...@randwater.co.zamailto:msib...@randwater.co.za www.randwater.co.zahttp://www.randwater.co.za This email and any accompanying attachments may contain confidential and proprietary information. This information is private and protected by law and, accordingly, if you are not the intended recipient, you are requested to delete this entire communication immediately and are notified that any disclosure, copying or distribution of or taking any action based on this information is prohibited. Emails cannot be guaranteed to be secure or free of errors or viruses. The sender does not accept any liability or responsibility for any interception, corruption, destruction, loss, late arrival or incompleteness of or tampering or interference with any of the information contained in this email or for its incorrect delivery or non-delivery for whatsoever reason or for its effect on any electronic device of the recipient. Views and opinions expressed or implied in this email are those of the sender unless clearly stated as being that of Rand Water. If verification of this email or any attachment is required, please request a hard-copy version. Report illegal or suspicious activities! Use the Anti-Corruption Hotline - phone toll free 0800 212 364 -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com inline: image001.jpg
RE: [PAYCO] THE INTRINSIC VALUE OF EACH CITIZEN IN SA
Cde Seroke Thank you for an insightful analysis of the contemporary politics in this country and abroad. The malaise of 'Ukukhonza abelungi' is embedded in some Africans. Especially, those who were never indoctrinated with the Africanist or black consciousness ideologies. After 1994, I had hoped that this malaise was on an advance stage of healing. However, I am startled with its resurgence more especially, as it comes from those who claim to have liberated the country. As you have touched the issue of Marikana, when events unfolded, I posited that they would never get anywhere in as far as their wage demands were concerned. The announcement of a wage settlement of 22 % plus a R 2000 bonus for ending the strike was good tidings for workers. In essence, this has demonstrated that the capitalist system is exploitative. Those who have been extracting our mineral reverses for the past preceding centuries, have demonstrated to us that they still have our money, when shove comes to push. It is not a question of affordability. The interest of this whole saga resides with some of the covert ANC big men who are surreptitiously benefiting from these arrangements. a story is told about Ramaphosa who purchased a Buffalo cow for 20 million rands while his workers can't make ends meet. From: payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:payco@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jaki Seroke Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 10:03 AM To: payco@googlegroups.com Subject: [PAYCO] THE INTRINSIC VALUE OF EACH CITIZEN IN SA M'afrika Mduduzi Sibeko The republic of South Africa is often described in glorious terms in international forums for a variety of reasons. The core issues that negatively affect the lives of its citizens are mostly ignored in the very same circles, and when a social implosion occurs the analysts look askance at each other and make ridiculous observations. Let's face it, the views and opinions of the majority are marginalised at these forums, and even the decision making process in government belongs to a coterie of conflicted personalities. The majority of those who should benefit from an efficient state are not taken seriously. Like subliminal racism, the unequal treatment of citizens has become a norm and it is accepted as natural. This should not go on forever. The president who is leading a state delegation in Brussels is yesterday reported to have conveyed a sincere message of condolences to the families of bereaved victims of the suicide car bomb in Kabul, Afghanistan, after a suicide bomber took them to be foreigners who denigrate the Muslim faith in the light of popular Arab protests against a propaganda documentary made in the US. This presidential message could be well and good. Look closely and you will notice that the eight victims are white South African working for a private airline in Afghanistan. Contrast this with his attitude back home. Last month mineworkers were mowed down like flies in Marikana in a process that had been brewing up for four months at least in the dispute on wage increment between the workers and Lonmin management. In full view of the media, the killers of the workers were the state police. These killers are equally underpaid, ill-equipped and ill-trained personnel, largely Black, and led by a Black woman national police commissioner who encouraged the killers to do so more often in the future, and that they should not be sorry for what they did. I believe the difference between the two unfortunate incidents where loss of life occurred is the colonial mentality of the leadership that hold power of the state. Over a period of more than two thousand years, African people have been subjected to slavery and massive exploitation of the resources - they are treated as lesser beings by the imperialists and their local running dogs. I guess the process of resolving settler-colonialism makes it even more complex, with citizens expressing differing sets of needs and expectations from the state. The aggrieved group (the Marikana mineworkers, for example) continues to be treated like beasts of burden, they live in squalid conditions, get slave wage, etc., and are killed at will by their own elected government. Colonial mentality is a trained conditioning of the mind and body. In the story, the archer in a circus was aggrieved by the tyranny and dictatorial behavior of the leading man in the performance. The archer planned to accidentally shoot him with his arrow during performance. This never happened despite several genuine attempts. The archer was steeped into the habit of shooting the apple on top of the leading man's head. Just like colonial mentality - Ba khonza abelungu. This puts into question the value of each citizen in South Africa. The state perpetuates inequality - the government steals from the coffers of the state and do so with impunity. The services they offer to the rich and the poor
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2006/mar/20/sharpevilleturningpointfor?INTCMP=SRCH kind regards Mduduzi Sibeko Admin/finance [Description: cid:image001.jpg@01CD276E.55683170] T +27-11-724-9281 C +27-71-101-2595 F +27-11-900-1929 F 086-754-2176 E msib...@randwater.co.zamailto:msib...@randwater.co.za www.randwater.co.zahttp://www.randwater.co.za This email and any accompanying attachments may contain confidential and proprietary information. This information is private and protected by law and, accordingly, if you are not the intended recipient, you are requested to delete this entire communication immediately and are notified that any disclosure, copying or distribution of or taking any action based on this information is prohibited. Emails cannot be guaranteed to be secure or free of errors or viruses. The sender does not accept any liability or responsibility for any interception, corruption, destruction, loss, late arrival or incompleteness of or tampering or interference with any of the information contained in this email or for its incorrect delivery or non-delivery for whatsoever reason or for its effect on any electronic device of the recipient. Views and opinions expressed or implied in this email are those of the sender unless clearly stated as being that of Rand Water. If verification of this email or any attachment is required, please request a hard-copy version. Report illegal or suspicious activities! Use the Anti-Corruption Hotline - phone toll free 0800 212 364 -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com inline: image001.jpg
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At least the penny has dropped for the ANC government. See the attachment. I hope most of you comrades are up to date with this development. See the attachment. http://www.thenewage.co.za/55740-1016-53-Sobukwe_family_grateful_for_his_hometown_honour kind regards Mduduzi Sibeko Admin/finance [Description: cid:image001.jpg@01CD276E.55683170] T +27-11-724-9281 C +27-71-101-2595 F +27-11-900-1929 F 086-754-2176 E msib...@randwater.co.zamailto:msib...@randwater.co.za www.randwater.co.zahttp://www.randwater.co.za This email and any accompanying attachments may contain confidential and proprietary information. This information is private and protected by law and, accordingly, if you are not the intended recipient, you are requested to delete this entire communication immediately and are notified that any disclosure, copying or distribution of or taking any action based on this information is prohibited. Emails cannot be guaranteed to be secure or free of errors or viruses. The sender does not accept any liability or responsibility for any interception, corruption, destruction, loss, late arrival or incompleteness of or tampering or interference with any of the information contained in this email or for its incorrect delivery or non-delivery for whatsoever reason or for its effect on any electronic device of the recipient. Views and opinions expressed or implied in this email are those of the sender unless clearly stated as being that of Rand Water. If verification of this email or any attachment is required, please request a hard-copy version. Report illegal or suspicious activities! Use the Anti-Corruption Hotline - phone toll free 0800 212 364 -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com inline: image001.jpg
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http://www.dispatch.co.za/news/article/3637 kind regards Mduduzi Sibeko Admin/finance [Description: cid:image001.jpg@01CD276E.55683170] T +27-11-724-9281 C +27-71-101-2595 F +27-11-900-1929 F 086-754-2176 E msib...@randwater.co.zamailto:msib...@randwater.co.za www.randwater.co.zahttp://www.randwater.co.za This email and any accompanying attachments may contain confidential and proprietary information. This information is private and protected by law and, accordingly, if you are not the intended recipient, you are requested to delete this entire communication immediately and are notified that any disclosure, copying or distribution of or taking any action based on this information is prohibited. Emails cannot be guaranteed to be secure or free of errors or viruses. The sender does not accept any liability or responsibility for any interception, corruption, destruction, loss, late arrival or incompleteness of or tampering or interference with any of the information contained in this email or for its incorrect delivery or non-delivery for whatsoever reason or for its effect on any electronic device of the recipient. Views and opinions expressed or implied in this email are those of the sender unless clearly stated as being that of Rand Water. If verification of this email or any attachment is required, please request a hard-copy version. Report illegal or suspicious activities! Use the Anti-Corruption Hotline - phone toll free 0800 212 364 -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com inline: image001.jpg
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Cde Ndebele, Seroke The reactionary ANCYL has undercut our historical programs. The restoration of our land from the colonial settlers. PAC youth formations have never been forthright in articulating this position, there is a lull in the PAC and its structural components on the land question . This worries me a lot. kind regards Mduduzi Sibeko Admin/finance [Description: cid:image001.jpg@01CD276E.55683170] T +27-11-724-9281 C +27-71-101-2595 F +27-11-900-1929 F 086-754-2176 E msib...@randwater.co.zamailto:msib...@randwater.co.za www.randwater.co.zahttp://www.randwater.co.za This email and any accompanying attachments may contain confidential and proprietary information. This information is private and protected by law and, accordingly, if you are not the intended recipient, you are requested to delete this entire communication immediately and are notified that any disclosure, copying or distribution of or taking any action based on this information is prohibited. Emails cannot be guaranteed to be secure or free of errors or viruses. The sender does not accept any liability or responsibility for any interception, corruption, destruction, loss, late arrival or incompleteness of or tampering or interference with any of the information contained in this email or for its incorrect delivery or non-delivery for whatsoever reason or for its effect on any electronic device of the recipient. Views and opinions expressed or implied in this email are those of the sender unless clearly stated as being that of Rand Water. If verification of this email or any attachment is required, please request a hard-copy version. Report illegal or suspicious activities! Use the Anti-Corruption Hotline - phone toll free 0800 212 364 -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com inline: image001.jpg
RE: [PAYCO] Sad news
This is very sad. Comraqde Mawande contributed immensely in this blog. I have been wondering why he has been absent from discussions. We should pay a homage for this great son of the soil. Izwe Lethu -Original Message- From: payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:payco@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Hulisani Mmbara Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2012 6:47 PM To: PAYCO GOOGLE GROUP PAYCO GOOGLE GROUP Subject: [PAYCO] Sad news I'm told Cde. Jack Mawande passed on this morning. He is former AZANYU SG and later Deputy President. Many on this platform will remember him for his outstanding contributions. May his soul rest in peace. Izwelethu! Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com This email and any accompanying attachments may contain confidential and proprietary information. This information is private and protected by law and, accordingly, if you are not the intended recipient, you are requested to delete this entire communication immediately and are notified that any disclosure, copying or distribution of or taking any action based on this information is prohibited. Emails cannot be guaranteed to be secure or free of errors or viruses. The sender does not accept any liability or responsibility for any interception, corruption, destruction, loss, late arrival or incompleteness of or tampering or interference with any of the information contained in this email or for its incorrect delivery or non-delivery for whatsoever reason or for its effect on any electronic device of the recipient. Views and opinions expressed or implied in this email are those of the sender unless clearly stated as being that of Rand Water. If verification of this email or any attachment is required, please request a hard-copy version. Report illegal or suspicious activities! Use the Anti-Corruption Hotline - phone toll free 0800 212 364 -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com
RE: [PAYCO] Interview
Does Stanley have some ambitions of leading the PAC now ? From: payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:payco@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sebenzile Mlaza Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 2:33 PM To: 'payco@googlegroups.com' Subject: RE: [PAYCO] Interview Comrades, To be quite frank with you comrades, Mlambo is clearly campaigning for Stanley Mogoba... From: payco@googlegroups.commailto:payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:payco@googlegroups.com]mailto:[mailto:payco@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of mllolw...@gmail.commailto:mllolw...@gmail.com Sent: 17 May 2012 01:51 To: payco@googlegroups.commailto:payco@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [PAYCO] Interview Mlambo could have done better,ill prepared and unprofessional(being late) Sent from my BlackBerry(r) smartphone. From: a...@joburg.org.zamailto:a...@joburg.org.za Sender: payco@googlegroups.commailto:payco@googlegroups.com Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 13:48:24 +0200 To: payco@googlegroups.commailto:payco@googlegroups.com ReplyTo: payco@googlegroups.commailto:payco@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [PAYCO] Interview [cid:image001.jpg@01CD3444.09081EC0]http://brand.joburg.org.za/rs/gw8VUL This was terrible. The comrade was late for the interview. Clearly he did not prepare and what did he say Ali Khangela Hlongwane Chief Curator: Museum Africa 121 Bree Street Newtown 2001 Box 517 Newtown Tel:(011) 833 5624 Fax:(011)833 5636 Cell: 082 4639869 a...@joburg.org.zamailto:a...@joburg.org.za http//joburg.org.za/culture/museums-galleries (This letter was sent electronically and is therefore not signed) __ The contents of this e-mail and any attachments are confidential. It is intended for the named recipient(s) only. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager or the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any one or make copies. Please note that the recipient must scan this e-mail and any attached files, for viruses and the like. While we do everything possible to protect information from viruses, the City of Johannesburg accepts no liability of whatever nature for any loss, liability, damage or expense resulting directly or indirectly from the access and/or downloading of any files which are attached to this e-mail message. __ -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.commailto:payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.commailto:payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.comhttp://www.mayihlome.wordpress.com -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.commailto:payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.commailto:payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.comhttp://www.mayihlome.wordpress.com -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.commailto:payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.commailto:payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.comhttp://www.mayihlome.wordpress.com This email and any accompanying attachments may contain confidential and proprietary information. This information is private and protected by law and, accordingly, if you are not the intended recipient, you are requested to delete this entire communication immediately and are notified that any disclosure, copying or distribution of or taking any action based on this information is prohibited. Emails cannot be guaranteed to be secure or free of errors or viruses. The sender does not accept any liability or responsibility for any interception, corruption, destruction, loss, late arrival or incompleteness of or tampering or interference with any of the information contained in this email or for its incorrect delivery or non-delivery for whatsoever reason or for its effect on any electronic device of the recipient. Views and opinions expressed or implied in this email are those of the sender unless clearly stated as being that of Rand Water. If verification of this email or any attachment is required, please request a hard-copy version. -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com inline: image001.jpg
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Dear comrades Can anyone one help with the whereabouts of the late Victor Mayekiso's family . I got a call from someone who got into our discussion group through the internet. she is related to him. she found our discussion ( which we had some time ago). I understand he was from Soweto, probably the remaining family could be still residing in Soweto. Even, if i get someone who could have some links Izwe Lethu i Africa 071-101-2595 011-724-9281 This email and any accompanying attachments may contain confidential and proprietary information. This information is private and protected by law and, accordingly, if you are not the intended recipient, you are requested to delete this entire communication immediately and are notified that any disclosure, copying or distribution of or taking any action based on this information is prohibited. Emails cannot be guaranteed to be secure or free of errors or viruses. The sender does not accept any liability or responsibility for any interception, corruption, destruction, loss, late arrival or incompleteness of or tampering or interference with any of the information contained in this email or for its incorrect delivery or non-delivery for whatsoever reason or for its effect on any electronic device of the recipient. Views and opinions expressed or implied in this email are those of the sender unless clearly stated as being that of Rand Water. If verification of this email or any attachment is required, please request a hard-copy version. -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com
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Cde Ditshego Your recent article which appeared in the Mayihlome website, needs to be scrutinized. Some years ago, we had an extensive debate about Mbeki AIDS denialism. Comrade Cunningham was a staunch defender of Mbeki in the context of the handling of the AIDS pandemic. I notice that your writing is replete with some scientific opinions from renown scientists around the world. If we can open a debate between the orthodox scientists and the denialists, I am certain we will be heading towards an open ended whole. What is a reality, is that this pandemic has claimed more causalities than the First World War. I have some reservations about these scientists who debate the relationship between HIV and AIDS while deaths have been reported all over the world, the hardest hid region being Sub Saharan Africa. Is the debate about the relation between HIV and AIDS sustainable ? This email and any accompanying attachments may contain confidential and proprietary information. This information is private and protected by law and, accordingly, if you are not the intended recipient, you are requested to delete this entire communication immediately and are notified that any disclosure, copying or distribution of or taking any action based on this information is prohibited. Emails cannot be guaranteed to be secure or free of errors or viruses. The sender does not accept any liability or responsibility for any interception, corruption, destruction, loss, late arrival or incompleteness of or tampering or interference with any of the information contained in this email or for its incorrect delivery or non-delivery for whatsoever reason or for its effect on any electronic device of the recipient. Views and opinions expressed or implied in this email are those of the sender unless clearly stated as being that of Rand Water. If verification of this email or any attachment is required, please request a hard-copy version. -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com
[PAYCO] FW: DA Townlands 05-2012.docx
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http://www.timeslive.co.za/politics/2012/05/03/minister-announces-28-anti-apartheid-heritage-projects kind regards Mduduzi Sibeko Admin/finance [cid:image002.jpg@01CA5626.C30DADC0] T +27-11-724-9281 C +27-71-101-2595 F +27-11-900-1929 F 086-754-2176 E msib...@randwater.co.zamailto:msib...@randwater.co.za www.randwater.co.zahttp://www.randwater.co.za This email and any accompanying attachments may contain confidential and proprietary information. This information is private and protected by law and, accordingly, if you are not the intended recipient, you are requested to delete this entire communication immediately and are notified that any disclosure, copying or distribution of or taking any action based on this information is prohibited. Emails cannot be guaranteed to be secure or free of errors or viruses. The sender does not accept any liability or responsibility for any interception, corruption, destruction, loss, late arrival or incompleteness of or tampering or interference with any of the information contained in this email or for its incorrect delivery or non-delivery for whatsoever reason or for its effect on any electronic device of the recipient. Views and opinions expressed or implied in this email are those of the sender unless clearly stated as being that of Rand Water. If verification of this email or any attachment is required, please request a hard-copy version. -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com inline: image001.jpg
[PAYCO] FW: Vacancy: Stores Asst
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Cde's Seroke, Ndebele With the waterloo of a somewhat reactionary ANCYL leadership that has hitherto presented itself as a vanguard of the liberation of the African people. On the past few days the YCL has emerged as an alternative to the poor, that is, the economically downtrodden African masses. Reacting to the ahistorical assertion of Pieter Mulder http://www.google.co.za/url?sa=trct=jq=pieter+mulder+deputy+ministersource=webcd=1ved=0CCQQFjAAurl=http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FPieter_Mulderei=1tBDT4n0BcKRswbX7bDMBAusg=AFQjCNGIH-7mBb1Y3UmXerixJzmN3qjFeA that Africans did not own 40% of the land before the advent of settler minority, it has called Zuma to sack him. In your own assessment, what is the significance of the communist formations in the 21st century after the fall of the Soviet hegemony in the late eighties. Mfanasekhaya Gqobose, addressing APLA cadres in the early 90s, once referred to the communist as quacks. kind regards Mduduzi Sibeko Admin/finance [cid:image002.jpg@01CA5626.C30DADC0] T +27-11-724-9281 C +27-71-101-2595 F +27-11-900-1929 F 086-754-2176 E msib...@randwater.co.zamailto:msib...@randwater.co.za www.randwater.co.zahttp://www.randwater.co.za This email and any accompanying attachments may contain confidential and proprietary information. This information is private and protected by law and, accordingly, if you are not the intended recipient, you are requested to delete this entire communication immediately and are notified that any disclosure, copying or distribution of or taking any action based on this information is prohibited. Emails cannot be guaranteed to be secure or free of errors or viruses. The sender does not accept any liability or responsibility for any interception, corruption, destruction, loss, late arrival or incompleteness of or tampering or interference with any of the information contained in this email or for its incorrect delivery or non-delivery for whatsoever reason or for its effect on any electronic device of the recipient. Views and opinions expressed or implied in this email are those of the sender unless clearly stated as being that of Rand Water. If verification of this email or any attachment is required, please request a hard-copy version. -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com inline: image001.jpg
[PAYCO] Left to their own devices - Cape Times | IOL.co.za
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[PAYCO] FW: Vacancy: Fitter
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[PAYCO] FW: Vacancy: TMO
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[PAYCO] FW: Vacancy: Operationtions Training Officer
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RE: [PAYCO] STRATEGIC PLANNING, IMPLEMENTATION AND CONTROL
Dear Comrades: History is a repeating phenomenon, it is true as you put it that The PAC of Azania itself has really lost its moorings, and reached a stage of a total shipwreck during the December holidays I had a leisure of watching some documentaries making world History. It would be very interesting to note that the aftermath of the treaty of Versailles, German was left bleeding with economic hardship. The draconian dictator Adolf Hitler, emerged amid those conditions. He presented himself as a redeemer. Some may assume that the Nazi party that he led ascended to power without some constrains. This is not the case. The communist which he would latter exterminate had been a problem for his rise. They (Communists) won elections immediately after the Great Depression, but Hitler was not perturbed, he had a conviction that one day he would win. The reason I am bringing this anecdote, is that some within us have fallen victims of despondency. It is true that the Pan Africanist Congress has not done well in the electoral game of this country since 1994. It has aggravated this by having a plummeting support base. Against all odds, there are some valiant Africanists who have not surrounded with an inch. I remember during Azanyu we had a slogan no retreat, no surrender this was our mooring. I believe that from yesterday we should have started to work tirelessly for the regeneration of the PAC. The point is, if say, the PAC establishes a minimum of 20 branches per annum, it ten years time we would be stronger as of 1959-60. There is no doom yet for the PAC, we haven't been rendered insolvent. I appeal that let us keep on discussing these issues and if in some instances, certain things emerged from the dust to be prominent. I still have an unshakable conviction that we will win. Prof said we will triumph, because we have history on our side, ...because the African people are on our side...because we are being purified under the crucible of oppression these prophetic utterances will one day prove accurate. kind regards Mduduzi Sibeko Admin/finance [cid:image001.jpg@01CCDF5C.9E75D750] T +27-11-724-9281 C +27-71-101-2595 F +27-11-900-1929 F 086-754-2176 E msib...@randwater.co.zamailto:msib...@randwater.co.za From: payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:payco@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jaki Seroke Sent: Friday, January 27, 2012 2:25 PM To: payco@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [PAYCO] STRATEGIC PLANNING, IMPLEMENTATION AND CONTROL Cde Mduduzi I had an interesting discussion with a young revolutionary Pan Africanist early in the first week of this month. He posed the rubric that what was essential in sorting out the perennial difficulties of the PAC as a political party and its association with the worldwide Pan Africanist movement was the need for strategic planning. There is no clearly stated common cause around which we all rally, and there is no stated ways and means to achieve short term strategic objectives. In this way it is not clear who supports the programme to set a union of socialist states in Africa, and who leads it. This makes Pan Africanism as a thought pattern to evolve without form and shape. It always raises its voice from the margins to decry abuse of its supporters by the dark forces. This young comrade said this approach has to stop. There was a 7th Pan African Congress in Kampala, Uganda, in the early 1990s. It was a poorly organised damp squib as far as I can recall. There is a need to update this information on a global level, so that a more relevant Pan African Congress is held and perhaps this being done in South Africa (Azania) could have more impetus. The best way to host would have to be a local representative committee, supported by the active participation of the Pan Africanist Congress of Azania. There are many Pan Africanists residing in South Africa for a variety of reasons, and the negative publicity this country has had as a result of wanton attacks on innocent people coming from other parts of the continent does not make the cause easier. It should however spur us on to call for hosting such a Congress. Brother Buntu and others should keep this point in mind. The Pan African Congress would have participants from all over the world - Brazil, the Caribbean islands, the US, the UK, and mostly from Africa itself. This requires proper planning. At the World Economic Forum they cite Africa as the next growth point - for whose benefit? . It is not the end of the world though, and a comeback can be surmounted and victory can be achieved. It often happens in history that organisations decline to levels where hope is seemingly lost, but real revolutionaries with their experience of hard knocks do regroup, and reorganise themselves to find their correct pathways. We are in a phase where democratic principles and conduct is upheld by the state in South Africa. We are not prohibited from expressing ourselves
[PAYCO] DA poster perpetuates colonial stereotype: iLIVE - Times LIVE
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[PAYCO] FW: Vacancy: DA Benoni 01-2012.docx
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[PAYCO] FW: Vacancy: Fitter
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Dear Comrades Why are we silent in this discussion group. When this group started, we had some sort of vociferous discussions. I appeal let us return and discuss issues. kind regards Mduduzi Sibeko Admin/finance [cid:image002.jpg@01CA5626.C30DADC0] T +27-11-724-9281 C +27-71-101-2595 F +27-11-900-1929 F 086-754-2176 E msib...@randwater.co.zamailto:msib...@randwater.co.za www.randwater.co.zahttp://www.randwater.co.za This email and any accompanying attachments may contain confidential and proprietary information. This information is private and protected by law and, accordingly, if you are not the intended recipient, you are requested to delete this entire communication immediately and are notified that any disclosure, copying or distribution of or taking any action based on this information is prohibited. Emails cannot be guaranteed to be secure or free of errors or viruses. The sender does not accept any liability or responsibility for any interception, corruption, destruction, loss, late arrival or incompleteness of or tampering or interference with any of the information contained in this email or for its incorrect delivery or non-delivery for whatsoever reason or for its effect on any electronic device of the recipient. Views and opinions expressed or implied in this email are those of the sender unless clearly stated as being that of Rand Water. If verification of this email or any attachment is required, please request a hard-copy version. -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com inline: image001.jpg
[PAYCO] FW: Vacancy: Artisan Assistant Motor Mechanic
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[PAYCO] FW: Vacancy: PSO
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RE: [PAYCO] Fwd: Court application
Cde Seroke: Did the PAC and ANC discuss the issue of freedom fighters languishing in jails ? I have a relative who happens to be an MK member, I am told he has been in jail from 1988. Does the ANC itself have comrades that are in jails for military operations of armed struggle. Maybe, address the issue of the independence of the judiciary with regards to political matters. I was assuming that the release of these prisoners was precluded by the independence of the judiciary, or the ANC used this as an excuse . From: payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:payco@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sbusiso Xaba Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 4:03 PM To: payco@googlegroups.com Subject: [PAYCO] Fwd: Court application -- Forwarded message -- From: s ombu sombu...@yahoo.commailto:sombu...@yahoo.com Date: 3 October 2011 09:24 Subject: Court application To: payco@googlegroups.commailto:payco@googlegroups.com payco@googlegroups.commailto:payco@googlegroups.com Cc: Sbusiso Xaba sbusiso.x...@gmail.commailto:sbusiso.x...@gmail.com Izwe Lethu!!! Revolutionary greetings. Be informed that an urgent court application will be made by Apla cadre M'Afrika Kenny Doshane Motsamai on the 4th October 2011 at the Johannesburg High Court at 10h00. The applicant will be seeking relief in terms of his placement on parole. M'Afrika Kenny Doshane Motsamai has been languishing in jail since 1989. It is common cause that the government of the day is not taking the plight of these comrades seriously, hence he is now approaching the courts to intervene and give direction in this matter! In a seperate matter to be heard on the same day at the same court M'Afrika Sipho Cindi and others who are members of the Pan Africanist Congress of Azania, will make an application to seek relief against the Department of Correctional services concerning corruption within the department. You are hereby invited to attend this court hearing in solidarity of the struggle to have all those political prisoners who are still languishing behind bars released from prisons across the country! Please inform and invite all other progressive minded revolutionaries to attend this court hearing, your attendance is highly appreciated and most welcome. Forward with the release of all former political prisoners that are still incarcerated in South African Prisons forward. Long live the undying revolutionary spirit of the fallen martyrs long live!!! -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com This email and any accompanying attachments may contain confidential and proprietary information. This information is private and protected by law and, accordingly, if you are not the intended recipient, you are requested to delete this entire communication immediately and are notified that any disclosure, copying or distribution of or taking any action based on this information is prohibited. Emails cannot be guaranteed to be secure or free of errors or viruses. The sender does not accept any liability or responsibility for any interception, corruption, destruction, loss, late arrival or incompleteness of or tampering or interference with any of the information contained in this email or for its incorrect delivery or non-delivery for whatsoever reason or for its effect on any electronic device of the recipient. Views and opinions expressed or implied in this email are those of the sender unless clearly stated as being that of Rand Water. If verification of this email or any attachment is required, please request a hard-copy version. -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com
[PAYCO] FW: Vacancy Senior Cook
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Cde Seroke: Who is Mongane Seroke? I read his article in the thinker magazine. Illustriously written article about African renaissance. kind regards Mduduzi Sibeko Admin/finance [cid:image002.jpg@01CA5626.C30DADC0] T +27-11-724-9281 C +27-71-101-2595 F +27-11-900-1929 F 086-754-2176 E msib...@randwater.co.zamailto:msib...@randwater.co.za www.randwater.co.zahttp://www.randwater.co.za This email and any accompanying attachments may contain confidential and proprietary information. This information is private and protected by law and, accordingly, if you are not the intended recipient, you are requested to delete this entire communication immediately and are notified that any disclosure, copying or distribution of or taking any action based on this information is prohibited. Emails cannot be guaranteed to be secure or free of errors or viruses. The sender does not accept any liability or responsibility for any interception, corruption, destruction, loss, late arrival or incompleteness of or tampering or interference with any of the information contained in this email or for its incorrect delivery or non-delivery for whatsoever reason or for its effect on any electronic device of the recipient. Views and opinions expressed or implied in this email are those of the sender unless clearly stated as being that of Rand Water. If verification of this email or any attachment is required, please request a hard-copy version. -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com inline: image001.jpg
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Cde Ndebele and Seroke I conjure up the spirited love of the PAC of Azania at the funeral of Cde Joe Moabi. This morning, I listened to Motsweding, even though, I battle to understand the language. The commentators from SABC feted this comrade. I had lost confidence that one day a messiah would descend and extol our relentless fight against apartheid. The PAC of Azania will remain a vibrant force in the struggle for self-determination and the complete return of our land. kind regards Mduduzi Sibeko Admin/finance [cid:image002.jpg@01CA5626.C30DADC0] T +27-11-724-9281 C +27-71-101-2595 F +27-11-900-1929 F 086-754-2176 E msib...@randwater.co.zamailto:msib...@randwater.co.za www.randwater.co.zahttp://www.randwater.co.za This email and any accompanying attachments may contain confidential and proprietary information. This information is private and protected by law and, accordingly, if you are not the intended recipient, you are requested to delete this entire communication immediately and are notified that any disclosure, copying or distribution of or taking any action based on this information is prohibited. Emails cannot be guaranteed to be secure or free of errors or viruses. The sender does not accept any liability or responsibility for any interception, corruption, destruction, loss, late arrival or incompleteness of or tampering or interference with any of the information contained in this email or for its incorrect delivery or non-delivery for whatsoever reason or for its effect on any electronic device of the recipient. Views and opinions expressed or implied in this email are those of the sender unless clearly stated as being that of Rand Water. If verification of this email or any attachment is required, please request a hard-copy version. -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com inline: image001.jpg
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Cde Mzu: Some time ago in this circulation, someone wrote that Gaddafi loved Africans. He added that he would from time to time inform North African Arabs that Africa belongs to Africans and not Arabs. Television footages show that there are quite a number of Africans working in Libya, some are natives and so on. Recently, reports have it that, rebels that have seized power from Gaddafi are now killing Africans. A sin have became being dark- skinned. Among the outspoken critics of Gaddafi was Justice Malala who wrote an article about this matter. However, his blazing guns have changed direction. He attacks the AU for being ...petulant, refusing to speak or intervene, while their brothers and sisters are being murdered unsurprisingly, Molala's tone is softened on the rebels, he passes the buck to the AU. Of cause, we resent this atrocity, I maintain however that writers such as Molala are never objective. Invariably, they pen stories with pen that dispense partisan inks. kind regards Mduduzi Sibeko Admin/finance [cid:image002.jpg@01CA5626.C30DADC0] T +27-11-724-9281 C +27-71-101-2595 F +27-11-900-1929 F 086-754-2176 E msib...@randwater.co.zamailto:msib...@randwater.co.za www.randwater.co.zahttp://www.randwater.co.za This email and any accompanying attachments may contain confidential and proprietary information. This information is private and protected by law and, accordingly, if you are not the intended recipient, you are requested to delete this entire communication immediately and are notified that any disclosure, copying or distribution of or taking any action based on this information is prohibited. Emails cannot be guaranteed to be secure or free of errors or viruses. The sender does not accept any liability or responsibility for any interception, corruption, destruction, loss, late arrival or incompleteness of or tampering or interference with any of the information contained in this email or for its incorrect delivery or non-delivery for whatsoever reason or for its effect on any electronic device of the recipient. Views and opinions expressed or implied in this email are those of the sender unless clearly stated as being that of Rand Water. If verification of this email or any attachment is required, please request a hard-copy version. -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com inline: image001.jpg
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Cde's Ndebele, Seroke Comrades what is our current economic policy ? if I am asked about what the PAC envisage on matters such as nationalization, privatization, BEE and other policy issues. Where do we stand ? kind regards Mduduzi Sibeko Admin/finance [cid:image002.jpg@01CA5626.C30DADC0] T +27-11-724-9281 C +27-71-101-2595 F +27-11-900-1929 F 086-754-2176 E msib...@randwater.co.zamailto:msib...@randwater.co.za www.randwater.co.zahttp://www.randwater.co.za This email and any accompanying attachments may contain confidential and proprietary information. This information is private and protected by law and, accordingly, if you are not the intended recipient, you are requested to delete this entire communication immediately and are notified that any disclosure, copying or distribution of or taking any action based on this information is prohibited. Emails cannot be guaranteed to be secure or free of errors or viruses. The sender does not accept any liability or responsibility for any interception, corruption, destruction, loss, late arrival or incompleteness of or tampering or interference with any of the information contained in this email or for its incorrect delivery or non-delivery for whatsoever reason or for its effect on any electronic device of the recipient. Views and opinions expressed or implied in this email are those of the sender unless clearly stated as being that of Rand Water. If verification of this email or any attachment is required, please request a hard-copy version. -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com inline: image001.jpg
RE: [PAYCO] EMOTIONAL INTELLIGENCE - A LEADERSHIP IMPERATIVE
Cde Seroke: I saw your email Saturday,l as I was working an overtime. Due to workload, I could not read nor have time to decipher its import. Suffice to say it was more of an academic discourse. My supervisor picked it up on top of the printer as I had forgotten it there when I went outside. Curiously, she asked Mdu, what going on putting her finger on the passage that read and went on to say B - Bloody, L - Lazy, A - AIDS, C - Carrying, K - Kaffirs I urbanely responded as no it's just an email I received from my blog group, I haven't read it latter I went to her and explained that it was just a recounting of event that deal with emotional intelligence. Politely she said if it were me, I would not have only retorted, instead I would have screamed if someone made such a remark on me . you see, you are touching a very imported aspect in human existence. Mastering the art of putting emotions at bay is one of the daunting task in human species. Some years ago, browsing on an internet, I saw a book penned by Michael Muendane, which was a biography of Vusimuzi Make, who was a chairperson of the central committee after the deposal of PK Leballo. The website happened to belong to an organization which Mike was a founder. I telephoned the organization and asked his admin assistant to put me through to him. Gasping as a result his tone which exhibited some abrasion, I aid to him Ma-africa Muendane I see you wrote an autobiography of Vusi Make the first thing he said angrily, what do you mean I wrote an autobiography because Vusi did not write this himself. I did not even know the difference between an autobiography and a biography. He then called his admin assistant ,as I could hear from the other end of the line, and began to scold at him for putting me through to him. From then, I have been asking people that worked with him, one thing I established was that he had uncontrollable temperament. Again, I can't recall exactly, however, it must have been one of the congresses we had in post 1994. I was in a group with Bamba Ndwandwe who was a national organizer, someone ask him a question. He got irked, and said to the comrade use your p*nis. The point I am making is that, there were leaders in this organization which I had admired dearly, but when I came to the management of their emotions, I was disappointed. I slightly disagree with how you put Mbeki to the group of those that have failed to control their emotions. Admittedly, the drama of pushing Winnie Mandela attracted a lot of censure from the always outspoken media, critics and populace at large. My assessment of him is that, he does have a knack of circumscribing his emotions. Take for instance, ever since his waterloo, in what was known as Polokwane. He has suffered a lot of tirade from his ANC family detractors chiefly among them was Malema. Mbeki has elected to refrain from rebutting those attacks,(weather they were legitimate or not, that is beside the point). Today the same detractors are hailing him as a hero, albeit, they haven't, and surely will not recant their attacks. He doesn't get carried away by excitement to the media. Peter Raboroko once told me that PK Leballo would discredit Selby ngedame at meeting, because of his playboy penchant, sometimes Selby would come to the meetings accompanied by girlfriends. As Robs recounted, Selby would deal with PK appropriately. I agree, we in the PAC need to learn these things. Of course, emotions play a major role in the process of thinking, decision-making From: payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:payco@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jaki Seroke Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 12:59 PM To: payco@googlegroups.com Subject: [PAYCO] EMOTIONAL INTELLIGENCE - A LEADERSHIP IMPERATIVE Cde Mduduzi After a nasty experience with my work mates, a friend recommended that I read what was by then a new publication, 'Emotional Intelligence - Why it Matters More than IQ', Bloombury 1996, by Daniel Goleman, a psychiatrist who captured the issues over emotions and leadership and represented his ideas with actual cases in order to reach the lay reader. The concept of emotional intelligence is now used in university courses that deal with leadership at business schools worldwide. It is worth exploring this issue in our discussions too. I want to make two examples of my own. We were a committee tasked to deal with transformation and empowerment matters at this JSE-listed company in the defence industry. Paris Mashile, a highly qualified scientist and electronics engineer, was head of the committee and I was the only other black person in a committee of five management policy makers. Some of the white directors were not happy with the envisaged changes, and almost all the time sabotaged the process deliberately. Paris convened this crucial meeting where final recommendations were to be adopted. I later learnt this from him after the meeting was adjourned,
[PAYCO] FW: Vacany: Process Controller
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Cde Mzu A week or two weeks ago, you sent a block containing discussion and the reaction from an ultra- right winger about Tutu's call for a once off wealth tax. Professor Pierre de Vos surprised the country by publicly endorsing the call. I did not know who was De Vos, the only thing that I heard from this circulation was a tirade on him for his controversial judgments. Yesterday, interface on SABC 3 screened an interview of de Vos and Advocate Anton Alberts from the FF+. de Vos affirmed that Tax on wealth should be introduced, on the other hand, advocate Albert opposed that notion. These two gentlemen were very urbane in the articulation of their respective positions. De vos, somewhat sissy, but very elaborate and forthright in his arguments' I was impressed. Firstly, he argued that apartheid created inequalities that continued to have impact even in the post 1994 epoch. Reparation is an ideal means to have social cohesion, he argues. Remarkably, in his arguments he cited the case of East and West Germany. After the dismantling of the Berlin wall and the emergence of a united Dutchelande, Germans in the West were far better off than their eastern counterparts. Consequently, a 5.5 tax levy is imposed on the former western Germans due to their benefits that systemically prejudiced the easterners. Advocate Albert attempted to save the day, he relied on the 28 000 Afrikaners that lost their lives during anglo-boer war, de Vos rebutted that flimsy excuse. He pointed out that Afrikaners had 50 active years of affirmative action. I don't know about the other side of de Vos, what I do know now is that he supports us. Europeans have robbed us our resources. kind regards Mduduzi Sibeko Admin/finance [cid:image002.jpg@01CA5626.C30DADC0] T +27-11-724-9281 C +27-71-101-2595 F +27-11-900-1929 F 086-754-2176 E msib...@randwater.co.zamailto:msib...@randwater.co.za www.randwater.co.zahttp://www.randwater.co.za This email and any accompanying attachments may contain confidential and proprietary information. This information is private and protected by law and, accordingly, if you are not the intended recipient, you are requested to delete this entire communication immediately and are notified that any disclosure, copying or distribution of or taking any action based on this information is prohibited. Emails cannot be guaranteed to be secure or free of errors or viruses. The sender does not accept any liability or responsibility for any interception, corruption, destruction, loss, late arrival or incompleteness of or tampering or interference with any of the information contained in this email or for its incorrect delivery or non-delivery for whatsoever reason or for its effect on any electronic device of the recipient. Views and opinions expressed or implied in this email are those of the sender unless clearly stated as being that of Rand Water. If verification of this email or any attachment is required, please request a hard-copy version. -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com inline: image001.jpg
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Dear Mzu: I took all the trouble of understanding the story of emeritus Bishop Tutu call for what he calls wealth tax on whites and the call that our public officials, especially parliamentarians, to sell their expensive automobiles. albeit, his argument does admit that not all white supported apartheid. This is a fact can be scarcely gainsaid. Tutu does not explain about what he envisage about those that did not support apartheid. The other argument would be that with or without support, whites in general benefited from apartheid. I always argue that the gap between Africans and people of European ancestry is like the distance between the earth's surface and the limit of the sky. I always weep when our nation is gradually being eroded by substance abuse, teenage pregnancy, early dropping out at high school and universities. I make references to the foregoing challenges principally because if our youth does not want to better themselves white people will continue to enjoy primacy. To digress to my discussion Tutu is right both whites including the nascent black elites must pay tax and give up extravagant lifestyles respectively, and a penchant of political careerism within the African national congress. I fully support Tutu for being so forthright. kind regards Mduduzi Sibeko Admin/finance [cid:image002.jpg@01CA5626.C30DADC0] T +27-11-724-9281 C +27-71-101-2595 F +27-11-900-1929 F 086-754-2176 E msib...@randwater.co.zamailto:msib...@randwater.co.za www.randwater.co.zahttp://www.randwater.co.za This email and any accompanying attachments may contain confidential and proprietary information. This information is private and protected by law and, accordingly, if you are not the intended recipient, you are requested to delete this entire communication immediately and are notified that any disclosure, copying or distribution of or taking any action based on this information is prohibited. Emails cannot be guaranteed to be secure or free of errors or viruses. The sender does not accept any liability or responsibility for any interception, corruption, destruction, loss, late arrival or incompleteness of or tampering or interference with any of the information contained in this email or for its incorrect delivery or non-delivery for whatsoever reason or for its effect on any electronic device of the recipient. Views and opinions expressed or implied in this email are those of the sender unless clearly stated as being that of Rand Water. If verification of this email or any attachment is required, please request a hard-copy version. -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com inline: image001.jpg
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When a leader that is abhorred by the US and its allies ids toppled, chaos ensure I was much younger when Saddam Hussein failed to annex Kuwait in 1990. With his allies, George Bush senior, drove Saddam's troops away from Kuwait and latter announced victory. This was as true as Bamba Ndwandwe once remarked friends today are enemies tomorrow. The erstwhile ally of US had been a its foe ostensibly of selfish US interests in the oil deposits that God has endowed on Arabs.The bin ladens, needless to mentioned, they fought proxy war funded by the CIA to drive out the Soviet occupation in Afghanistan. Jonas Savimbi, Mobutu Sese seko and others is just a handful people that can be cited. These people received patronage from the US. Today, as we speak, the champion of African unity, Gaddafi has fallen, with much varied commentaries of his 42 years of rule in Libya. The US and its allies continue with their endless pursuit of their interests in Libya. It appeared as if South Africa would defy further US and West imperialism. However, such defiance had a short shelf life; reports are that South Africa has finally yielded to a pressure from the West to agree with the unfreezing of Libyan assets to the rebels. I expect South Africa to yield again to the next demand. We don't know what that demand going to be. What is remarkable is a statement emitted by the British Defense Secretary Liam Fox. Fox misleads the world when he spoke to the radio, he saidThey wanted the world at one point to stand with them against apartheid,... I think they now need to stand with the Libyan people, help unfreeze their assets and allow their authorities to get access to the capital they need to rebuild the country during the uprisings in South Africa emanating from rent boycotts, consumer boycotts, June 16 matches And a tens of strike actions, did they see that the nationalist party had lost legitimacy? Not to mention that it never had one. Why didn't they launch offensives against the NP government to oust it? Why there was clamor internationally when the Azanian People's Liberation army fought the illegitimate security forces of apartheid South Africa (after the ANC suspended its armed insurrection). When it was convenient that the conflict should not hurt Europeans, they supported negotiation, but when the lives of Africans are at consideration, they shell Africans States arming rebels so that Africans kill each other. Suppose that during the recent uprisings in England, if the demonstration had degraded to calls that the government of UK must step down, would they have armed the insurrectionists? Let us wait and see, but I am sceptical that peace after the deposal of Gaddafi will ensure. Perhaps South Africa and the AU are correct for an all-inclusive interim government of Libya. kind regards Mduduzi Sibeko Admin/finance [cid:image002.jpg@01CA5626.C30DADC0] T +27-11-724-9281 C +27-71-101-2595 F +27-11-900-1929 F 086-754-2176 E msib...@randwater.co.zamailto:msib...@randwater.co.za www.randwater.co.zahttp://www.randwater.co.za This email and any accompanying attachments may contain confidential and proprietary information. This information is private and protected by law and, accordingly, if you are not the intended recipient, you are requested to delete this entire communication immediately and are notified that any disclosure, copying or distribution of or taking any action based on this information is prohibited. Emails cannot be guaranteed to be secure or free of errors or viruses. The sender does not accept any liability or responsibility for any interception, corruption, destruction, loss, late arrival or incompleteness of or tampering or interference with any of the information contained in this email or for its incorrect delivery or non-delivery for whatsoever reason or for its effect on any electronic device of the recipient. Views and opinions expressed or implied in this email are those of the sender unless clearly stated as being that of Rand Water. If verification of this email or any attachment is required, please request a hard-copy version. -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com inline: image001.jpg
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Seroke: It would seem that the penny has dropped that South Africa and AU have long been serving the West's interests in the Libyan crisis, when South Africa refused to vote at the UN Security council; to unfreeze the Libyan assets worth billions of US Dollars. The argument, cogent and reasonable is that the Libyan rebels leadership is a de facto Libyan authority. Reports have it that British Prime minister telephoned Zuma earlier this week imploring him that South Africa should vote in favor of the unfreezing of the Libyan assets to the rebel leadership at the security council. South Africa and the AU have argued that the all inclusive process that could encompass the fallen government of Gaddafi in a transitional process, that is, a transitional government as a harbinger to a new democratic government desired by the West. This defiance is long overdue. Voting for resolution 1973 was a manifestation of self- humiliation. Who in his right mind could not see the feigned hypocrisy of the no fly area zone was a naked regime change machination. In the last minute, South Africa, as a leader in Africa is doing a damage control. This is akin to ridiculing the devastating impact of lung cancer in the lungs without appreciating the culpability of smoking. Also playing the arson and extinguisher roles simultaneously. How dark was the window that it could not reflect that resolution 1973 was a legitimized and manipulated international law to get rid of Gaddafi. With the international economics intertwined and globalization suppressing Africa, it seem that we are a million miles away from self determination. We may have sovereign status as African countries, however, a Neo colonial forces are still powerful. kind regards Mduduzi Sibeko Admin/finance [cid:image002.jpg@01CA5626.C30DADC0] T +27-11-724-9281 C +27-71-101-2595 F +27-11-900-1929 F 086-754-2176 E msib...@randwater.co.zamailto:msib...@randwater.co.za www.randwater.co.zahttp://www.randwater.co.za This email and any accompanying attachments may contain confidential and proprietary information. This information is private and protected by law and, accordingly, if you are not the intended recipient, you are requested to delete this entire communication immediately and are notified that any disclosure, copying or distribution of or taking any action based on this information is prohibited. Emails cannot be guaranteed to be secure or free of errors or viruses. The sender does not accept any liability or responsibility for any interception, corruption, destruction, loss, late arrival or incompleteness of or tampering or interference with any of the information contained in this email or for its incorrect delivery or non-delivery for whatsoever reason or for its effect on any electronic device of the recipient. Views and opinions expressed or implied in this email are those of the sender unless clearly stated as being that of Rand Water. If verification of this email or any attachment is required, please request a hard-copy version. -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com inline: image001.jpg
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Dear comrade Mzu: I have noticed on myriad occasions that your thoughts exhibit the highest form of racial extremism. The armed struggle with its concomitants slogans such as one settler, one bullet is to be apportioned a blame for a continued radicalism that exist today in the PAC. Some of you think that our radicalism, which we espoused in late 60's and 90's, was to run perpetually. I challenge you to digest the writings of our pioneer fathers such as Robert Sobukwe, Peter Raboroko and others. You will come to a realization that kicking out white people or any national groups, as we have seen in some countries that followed ethnic cleansing, amount to the opposite of white PAC said. I can't cite Sobukwe, I think you have a literature to refer to. However, I am perplexed with your convictions of Herrenvolkism. admittedly, there are challenges that face the dispossessed African majority, but I have some reservation about how you believe we should attend them. kind regards Mduduzi Sibeko Admin/finance [cid:image002.jpg@01CA5626.C30DADC0] T +27-11-724-9281 C +27-71-101-2595 F +27-11-900-1929 F 086-754-2176 E msib...@randwater.co.zamailto:msib...@randwater.co.za www.randwater.co.zahttp://www.randwater.co.za This email and any accompanying attachments may contain confidential and proprietary information. This information is private and protected by law and, accordingly, if you are not the intended recipient, you are requested to delete this entire communication immediately and are notified that any disclosure, copying or distribution of or taking any action based on this information is prohibited. Emails cannot be guaranteed to be secure or free of errors or viruses. The sender does not accept any liability or responsibility for any interception, corruption, destruction, loss, late arrival or incompleteness of or tampering or interference with any of the information contained in this email or for its incorrect delivery or non-delivery for whatsoever reason or for its effect on any electronic device of the recipient. Views and opinions expressed or implied in this email are those of the sender unless clearly stated as being that of Rand Water. If verification of this email or any attachment is required, please request a hard-copy version. -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com inline: image001.jpg
[PAYCO] FW: Vacancy: - Artisan Assistant (Mechanical)
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[PAYCO] FW: Vacancy: Talent Management Officer - Zwartkopjes
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[PAYCO] FW: Zwartkopjes Electrician - July 2011
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Dear Mzu: You wrote maybe we do not need settlers in Afrika whilst we are still busy rebuilding Afrika maybe later we can trade with them but I do not forsee that the penny dropped after protracted time, that driving a white man in to the sea was never a PAC policy. The basic document that we have been recently invoking for our politics does not exclude white people as human beings. We talk of human race, an all inclusive approach to the question of race. I wonder why we continue with the rhetoric of driving settlers away in Africa. We us understand, in no uncertain terms, that even if the PAC were to win elections. Driving white people away if far from being our approach. Let us rather understand how do we approach the race question and the indisputable fact that they still own our material possessions, that is, 87 % of our land and 80 % of wealth is in their hands. From: payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:payco@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mzu Cabanga Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 5:10 PM To: payco@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [PAYCO] It is not for me as an individual to come up with a solution for the Afrikans but all of the Afrikans collectively. Poqo we cannot do as the charterists are doing currently i.e. Presenting a solution for the masses as an elite that thinks they are more educated than the masses. Represantative democracy has proved itself that it is a disaster in many states around Afrika not that I am a fan of democracy. One thing I can say for now is that Land has to be expropriated(in a liberal democracy like SA but as Pan Afrikanists we reposses the land that was robbed from us) from the settlers and maybe we do not need settlers in Afrika whilst we are still busy rebuilding Afrika maybe later we can trade with them but I do not forsee that. What we need for Afrika is an economic system which is pro-black(You affirmitive action policies,Ho can a minority affirm a majority in their indeginous land) an economy that will remedy the wounds of Afrikans which have been rubbed salt onto by the Market orientated socio economic policies that the ANC (infact the settlers under the disguise of the Vararas) which have proved themselves that they are anti-black. Our people need land and skills to use the land. We cannot promise people houses when land is still occupied by whites, we cannot promise jobs when that simply means making someone rich and you just surviving. We also need an education system which embraces indeginous knowledge and not this Eurocentric system which is destroying our youth like the Chinese who are teaching acupuncture and it is taught in Higher Learning institutions. All of this can only be attained if we can de colonise our masses and in doing so de colonising ourselves as well and UNITY is the only way we can defeat the enemy. I am sure zindlalifa you can also assist because we really need our own socio economic policy document for without it we will fail to deliver to our masses after we have taken the land and not after we are in power in Parliament because Parliament is hell. On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 4:30 PM, Mduduzi Sibeko msib...@randwater.co.zamailto:msib...@randwater.co.za wrote: Hi Cde Mzu: Your writings seem to be averse to socio-economic policies such as GEAR, even though, you don't go at length ridiculing their counterparts such as ASGISA and others. Recently, you have been expressing your loath to the admiration of former ANC President, Thabo Mbeki by some of our comrades such as Cunningham. But my concern is PAC people have been championing to censure economic policies of other parties without voicing alternatives for the African people. In the 90's, I remember a policy document that was formulated by Dr. Sipho Tshabalala. It amongst other thing touched serious matters such as nationalization, privatization and other issue that have resurged recently in the ANCYL. That was the last time, I hear of an economic talk within the file and rank membership of the PAC. The neo-liberal socio economic policies of the ANC, which are Keynesian, have been a center of debate by the alliance itself and the intelligentsia. Many social science writers have poured scorn to what the ANC have been doing in the context of socio economic policies. For an extensive reading on this see Hans Maraais, South Africa's alternative to change The ANC has not succeeded in formulating an economic policy that will benefit the majority. But my concern is, the PAC has not come with an economic perspective viable for the country. So my challenge to you is: if a charterist were to come to you and ask you a questions as follows: what is the socio-economic policy the PAC government will implement ? what would your response be ? KInd regards Mduduzi Sibeko Admin/finance [cid:image002.jpg@01CA5626.C30DADC0] T +27-11-724-9281tel:%2B27-11-724-9281 C +27-71-101-2595tel:%2B27-71-101-2595 F +27-11-900-1929tel:%2B27-11-900-1929 F 086-754-2176
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Mzu: The paralysis of the PAC has led other reactionary formations such as ANCYL to underscore our historical position of Land. The expropriation of land is of paramount importance. ZANUPF of Zimbabwe, for instance, which was a fraternal counterpart of the PAC, has some ties with the ANCYL. For 50 years now, PAC is in its infinite wrangling. The issue of parliamentary politics is a difficult one. It was AZAPO in 1994 which refrained from participating in the elections. However, in years which would follow, they came on board into the parliamentary system do understand your frustration, the problems of this country need radical approach. But, lets rather see if we can have sizable support base, before we lay acclaim of speaking for the African majority. From: payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:payco@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mzu Cabanga Sent: Friday, July 15, 2011 9:08 AM To: payco@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [PAYCO] How do we then forsee this repossesion of our land if we still have the settler around. Driving white people in the sea is a very bad way of putting it but how do you think the white men is going to hand the land to us after centuries of bravery from young white men fighting to destroy our race. Humanity is a very sexy name moAfrika Mdu but what claims do whites have in Afrika? they do not belong in Afrika. Why should we be so generous when there is no black men who owns land in Europe. I think moAfrika we are doing the mistake if we do not update the mistakes that our previous leaders made because of the political climate at that time. Firstly wether we like it or not the definition of an Afrikan is not accurate because tata Sobukwe never for a second did he try and use the word indeginous in his definition. Also we have fallen in the trap of Parliament hence we are defeated like boys fighting with men because we cannot fight for our people when the are Parliamentarians amongst us. They always sought to defend their priviledges and huge salaries of being Parliamentarians hence Lethlapa is the way he is now. We cannot fight for the emancipation of black people and at the same time defend white interests in Afrika. If that is what the basic document is then it needs to be updated. On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 8:30 AM, Mduduzi Sibeko msib...@randwater.co.zamailto:msib...@randwater.co.za wrote: Dear Mzu: You wrote maybe we do not need settlers in Afrika whilst we are still busy rebuilding Afrika maybe later we can trade with them but I do not forsee that the penny dropped after protracted time, that driving a white man in to the sea was never a PAC policy. The basic document that we have been recently invoking for our politics does not exclude white people as human beings. We talk of human race, an all inclusive approach to the question of race. I wonder why we continue with the rhetoric of driving settlers away in Africa. We us understand, in no uncertain terms, that even if the PAC were to win elections. Driving white people away if far from being our approach. Let us rather understand how do we approach the race question and the indisputable fact that they still own our material possessions, that is, 87 % of our land and 80 % of wealth is in their hands. From: payco@googlegroups.commailto:payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:payco@googlegroups.commailto:payco@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mzu Cabanga Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 5:10 PM To: payco@googlegroups.commailto:payco@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [PAYCO] It is not for me as an individual to come up with a solution for the Afrikans but all of the Afrikans collectively. Poqo we cannot do as the charterists are doing currently i.e. Presenting a solution for the masses as an elite that thinks they are more educated than the masses. Represantative democracy has proved itself that it is a disaster in many states around Afrika not that I am a fan of democracy. One thing I can say for now is that Land has to be expropriated(in a liberal democracy like SA but as Pan Afrikanists we reposses the land that was robbed from us) from the settlers and maybe we do not need settlers in Afrika whilst we are still busy rebuilding Afrika maybe later we can trade with them but I do not forsee that. What we need for Afrika is an economic system which is pro-black(You affirmitive action policies,Ho can a minority affirm a majority in their indeginous land) an economy that will remedy the wounds of Afrikans which have been rubbed salt onto by the Market orientated socio economic policies that the ANC (infact the settlers under the disguise of the Vararas) which have proved themselves that they are anti-black. Our people need land and skills to use the land. We cannot promise people houses when land is still occupied by whites, we cannot promise jobs when that simply means making someone rich and you just surviving. We also need an education system which embraces indeginous knowledge
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Hi Cde Mzu: Your writings seem to be averse to socio-economic policies such as GEAR, even though, you don't go at length ridiculing their counterparts such as ASGISA and others. Recently, you have been expressing your loath to the admiration of former ANC President, Thabo Mbeki by some of our comrades such as Cunningham. But my concern is PAC people have been championing to censure economic policies of other parties without voicing alternatives for the African people. In the 90's, I remember a policy document that was formulated by Dr. Sipho Tshabalala. It amongst other thing touched serious matters such as nationalization, privatization and other issue that have resurged recently in the ANCYL. That was the last time, I hear of an economic talk within the file and rank membership of the PAC. The neo-liberal socio economic policies of the ANC, which are Keynesian, have been a center of debate by the alliance itself and the intelligentsia. Many social science writers have poured scorn to what the ANC have been doing in the context of socio economic policies. For an extensive reading on this see Hans Maraais, South Africa's alternative to change The ANC has not succeeded in formulating an economic policy that will benefit the majority. But my concern is, the PAC has not come with an economic perspective viable for the country. So my challenge to you is: if a charterist were to come to you and ask you a questions as follows: what is the socio-economic policy the PAC government will implement ? what would your response be ? KInd regards Mduduzi Sibeko Admin/finance [cid:image002.jpg@01CA5626.C30DADC0] T +27-11-724-9281 C +27-71-101-2595 F +27-11-900-1929 F 086-754-2176 Email: msib...@randwater.co.zamailto:msib...@randwater.co.za URL:www.randwater.co.zahttp://www.randwater.co.za This email and any accompanying attachments may contain confidential and proprietary information. This information is private and protected by law and, accordingly, if you are not the intended recipient, you are requested to delete this entire communication immediately and are notified that any disclosure, copying or distribution of or taking any action based on this information is prohibited. Emails cannot be guaranteed to be secure or free of errors or viruses. The sender does not accept any liability or responsibility for any interception, corruption, destruction, loss, late arrival or incompleteness of or tampering or interference with any of the information contained in this email or for its incorrect delivery or non-delivery for whatsoever reason or for its effect on any electronic device of the recipient. Views and opinions expressed or implied in this email are those of the sender unless clearly stated as being that of Rand Water. If verification of this email or any attachment is required, please request a hard-copy version. -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com inline: image001.jpg
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Cde Mphahlele: You make a valid point through a citation in the foregoing. However, the same quotation reads ...and a man's colour will be as irrelevant as is the shape of his ears. I infer that your interpretation is that until the Land issue is addressed and the government of the Africans by the Africans is a fait accompli. I am among the millions that are frustrated and infuriated that its until now that the so called liberation of 1994, has not changed the status quo of before 1994. What is poignantly disappointing is that the PAC has not emerged in the hot debates currently taking place within the ANC in the media. The Land issue and distribution of wealth that Malema is harping on are the positions of the PAC. The PAC has let opportunists to steal its historic position. It's a similar thing it did in exile, that is, it failed to counter the propaganda machinery of the ANC. What do we mean by 'the government of the African by the African' ? does this recognise a government of the ANC as a legitimate government of the African People ? if it does, I would say your argument falls short of potency. I know that asking this question holding a bull by its horns. I am saying so chiefly because you argued as per your quotation, that the recognition of other national groups as Africans will take place once a complete independence is a fait accompli. From: payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:payco@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mohlomphegi Mphahlele Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2011 3:49 PM To: payco@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [PAYCO] Cdr Mduduzi and all other Africanists Race remains as Sobukwe has said a thorny issue. Like you comrade it is really difficult for me to separate an African from a Settler. However I pasted an extract from Sobukwe State of the Nation Campaign and believe it should give us an insight into this whole issue of race. We will go on, Sons and Daughters of Afrika, until in every shanty, in every bunk in the compounds, in every hut in the deserted villages, in every valley and on every hill top, the cry of African freedom and independence is heard. We will continue until we walk the streets of our land as free men and free women, our heads held high. We will go on until the day dawns when every person who is in Afrika will be African and a man's colour will be as irrelevant as is the shape of his ears. We will go on, steadfastly, relentlessly and determinedly until the cry of Afrika for the Africans, the Africans for humanity and humanity for God becomes a reality; until government of the Africans by the Africans for the Africans is a fait accompli. Having read through this extract then the answer will be whites as part of the foreighn possesser and usurpers of our land remains settlers. All whites irrispective of whatever will remain settlers as long as they continue holding on our land that was brutally stolen from Africans. They will remain settlers and not Africans until the day dawn on which our revolutionary mission is complete. To take from the above extract; until government of the Africans by the Africans for the Africans is a fait accompli. I believe that though our leaders appeared more moderate for reconciliation purpose on the issue of settlers the truth remains as Mogabe has put it that A SETTLER REMAINS A SETTLER. We should stop contradicting our selve thinking for people who care less about us. --- On Wed, 6/22/11, Mduduzi Sibeko msib...@randwater.co.za wrote: From: Mduduzi Sibeko msib...@randwater.co.za Subject: RE: [PAYCO] To: payco@googlegroups.com payco@googlegroups.com Date: Wednesday, June 22, 2011, 1:45 PM Cde Seroke and Mzu On the issue of race and who was an African this is what Sobukwe said Politically we stand for government of the Africans for the Africans by the Africans with everybody who owes his only loyalty to Africa and accepts the democratic rule of an African majority, being regarded as an African. We guarantee no minority rights because we are fighting precisely that group-exclusiveness which those who plead for minority rights would like to perpetuate. It is our view that if we have guaranteed individual liberties we have given the highest guarantee necessary and possible. I have said before, and I will still say so now, that I see no reason why, in a free, democratic Africa, a predominantly black electorate should not return a white man to parliament, for colour will count for nothing in a free Africa. During the late eighties and early 90's. I grappled with the problem of harmonizing the concepts of white minority rule, (as it was a common phrase or a cliché that was used in the literature of liberation movements) and what Sobukwe had said about who was an African and our unqualified loathing of minority rights guarantees. Sometimes in 1993, Former president Clarence Makwethu had a meeting with Mr. fw De klerk. According to President Makwethu, F.W said to him. Mr. Makwethu, can I
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Cde Seroke and Mzu On the issue of race and who was an African this is what Sobukwe said Politically we stand for government of the Africans for the Africans by the Africans with everybody who owes his only loyalty to Africa and accepts the democratic rule of an African majority, being regarded as an African. We guarantee no minority rights because we are fighting precisely that group-exclusiveness which those who plead for minority rights would like to perpetuate. It is our view that if we have guaranteed individual liberties we have given the highest guarantee necessary and possible. I have said before, and I will still say so now, that I see no reason why, in a free, democratic Africa, a predominantly black electorate should not return a white man to parliament, for colour will count for nothing in a free Africa. During the late eighties and early 90's. I grappled with the problem of harmonizing the concepts of white minority rule, (as it was a common phrase or a cliché that was used in the literature of liberation movements) and what Sobukwe had said about who was an African and our unqualified loathing of minority rights guarantees. Sometimes in 1993, Former president Clarence Makwethu had a meeting with Mr. fw De klerk. According to President Makwethu, F.W said to him. Mr. Makwethu, can I have a question to you ?. Makwethu said go ahead Who is a settler asked De Klerk. You see, without a coherent ideological understanding, it would have been difficult for Makwethu to delineate our position in as far as the issue of race and who was an African. however, Mr. Makwethu ,was at times, astute and vibrant in debates. He clarified the position to Mr. De Klerk. The question that you raised about the over- inclusiveness of the definition of African is a problem that I don't think that as an africanist i will address it satisfactorily. We define an African as everybody who owes his only loyalty to Africa and accepts the democratic rule of an African majority the questions becomes, what about those that are natives in this country but do not want to accept the democratic rule of the African majority. admittedly, we as africanist are extremely reluctant to regard whites as Africans. The very same tagging them as settlers was ideologically incorrect. I know very well that some of you that have read to this passage may be now beginning to tag me as a liberal. Be what it may be, this is my understanding which may also be ideologically incorrect. The question is, designations such as Settlers, Europeans and others, were they to be used perpetually. What did we mean when we said and venerated Sobukwe's words which read as in our vocabulary, the word races as applied to man, does not exist, we regard multiracism as racism multiplied I do not gainsay the indisputable fact that there are whites, who are even to this day, do not want to accept the democratic rule of the majority. Isolating them from the definition of who is an African becomes as difficult as flogging a dead horse to life again. Maybe, the concept of human race was just a simplicity, how is it applied. Let's be honest. Do we regard whites today as Africans ? the question is very difficult for me kind regards Mduduzi Sibeko Admin/finance [cid:image002.jpg@01CA5626.C30DADC0] T +27-11-724-9281 C +27-71-101-2595 F +27-11-900-1929 F 086-754-2176 E msib...@randwater.co.zamailto:msib...@randwater.co.za www.randwater.co.zahttp://www.randwater.co.za From: payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:payco@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mzu Cabanga Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 9:59 AM To: payco@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [PAYCO] Dear comrade Mduduzi, As a young Afrikan I thank Afrikans like you and Jaki who I can see are still making it their duty to nurture young Afrikans out there unlike some who were in the APLA and are now a disgrace to Pan Afrikanism. Is the definition of an Afrikan that tata Sobukwe still relevant today given the experiences recently? I think I need a bit of a clarity on this as I think it is too inclusive, inclusive of people who wants to be excluded from this category. On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 5:41 PM, Mduduzi Sibeko msib...@randwater.co.zamailto:msib...@randwater.co.za wrote: Dear comrade Mzu: I was not able to respond to your response last week due to some daily chores and work commitments. However, I need to make the following comments. You seem to have a parochial view of our political antecedents. It is a simple thing to blame the ANC and NP for the World Trade Center settlement, and other thing to absolve the blame to the PAC . this, I say, because you indicate that the victory was the ANC'S. The point I wanted to make was that, during the negotiations, the capitalists were much aware of what they were likely to lose in negotiations. Eventually, they sought to safeguard the following *Sunset clause (Power sharing) *Bill of rights ( right to own
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Dear comrade Mzu: I was not able to respond to your response last week due to some daily chores and work commitments. However, I need to make the following comments. You seem to have a parochial view of our political antecedents. It is a simple thing to blame the ANC and NP for the World Trade Center settlement, and other thing to absolve the blame to the PAC . this, I say, because you indicate that the victory was the ANC'S. The point I wanted to make was that, during the negotiations, the capitalists were much aware of what they were likely to lose in negotiations. Eventually, they sought to safeguard the following *Sunset clause (Power sharing) *Bill of rights ( right to own a property) *TRC ( a means to evade jail for offenders of apartheid) The foregoing list is not exhaustive, however, it is indicative of the fact that whites acted proactively. As I indicated that in any armed conflict, parties in belligerence ought to negotiate the immunity of belligerents. World history in armed conflicts is replete with examples of diplomacy or negotiations after wartime for the protection of the guerrillas. Admittedly, we were inexperienced and myopic of the fact that our fraternal brothers ( ANC) would turn against us. As a result, we are sitting with an challenging problem of having our comrades languishing in prisons in a country they fought to liberate. Unfortunately, to resolve this problem, insurrection can never be an ideal solution, rather constitutional means can be appropriate. However, the so called presidential pardons are invariably taking protracted time. it is very touching that people that fought to liberate us are behind bars. KInd regards Mduduzi Sibeko Admin/finance [cid:image002.jpg@01CA5626.C30DADC0] T +27-11-724-9281 C +27-71-101-2595 F +27-11-900-1929 F 086-754-2176 Email: msib...@randwater.co.zamailto:msib...@randwater.co.za URL:www.randwater.co.zahttp://www.randwater.co.za This email and any accompanying attachments may contain confidential and proprietary information. This information is private and protected by law and, accordingly, if you are not the intended recipient, you are requested to delete this entire communication immediately and are notified that any disclosure, copying or distribution of or taking any action based on this information is prohibited. Emails cannot be guaranteed to be secure or free of errors or viruses. The sender does not accept any liability or responsibility for any interception, corruption, destruction, loss, late arrival or incompleteness of or tampering or interference with any of the information contained in this email or for its incorrect delivery or non-delivery for whatsoever reason or for its effect on any electronic device of the recipient. Views and opinions expressed or implied in this email are those of the sender unless clearly stated as being that of Rand Water. If verification of this email or any attachment is required, please request a hard-copy version. -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com inline: image001.jpg
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Cde Seroke/Hlongwane Recently, I have seen some emails from comrades wanting to be unsubscribed. I asked myself, if maybe this circulation is no longer relevant or the issues that we discuss don't have any meaning for the readers. Do you perhaps have a clue ? KInd regards Mduduzi Sibeko Admin/finance [cid:image002.jpg@01CA5626.C30DADC0] T +27-11-724-9281 C +27-71-101-2595 F +27-11-900-1929 F 086-754-2176 Email: msib...@randwater.co.zamailto:msib...@randwater.co.za URL:www.randwater.co.zahttp://www.randwater.co.za This email and any accompanying attachments may contain confidential and proprietary information. This information is private and protected by law and, accordingly, if you are not the intended recipient, you are requested to delete this entire communication immediately and are notified that any disclosure, copying or distribution of or taking any action based on this information is prohibited. Emails cannot be guaranteed to be secure or free of errors or viruses. The sender does not accept any liability or responsibility for any interception, corruption, destruction, loss, late arrival or incompleteness of or tampering or interference with any of the information contained in this email or for its incorrect delivery or non-delivery for whatsoever reason or for its effect on any electronic device of the recipient. Views and opinions expressed or implied in this email are those of the sender unless clearly stated as being that of Rand Water. If verification of this email or any attachment is required, please request a hard-copy version. -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com inline: image001.jpg
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This advert is open to internal and external applicants. Applicants must send CVs with the correct reference to recruitm...@transnet.netmailto:recruitm...@transnet.net by 16h00 on 22 June 2011. It is the responsibility of the applicant to ensure that HR has received his/her CV. Please take note that late applications will not be considered and that applicants will be subjected to a screening process. Any questions regarding the application or placement process should be sent in writing to innocentia.mas...@transnet.netmailto:innocentia.mas...@transnet.net or linneth.mp...@transnet.netmailto:linneth.mp...@transnet.net We urge all our employees, clients, members of the public and our suppliers to report any kind of fraud or corruption at Transnet. Call the hotline toll free number: 0800 003 056 or email trans...@tip-offs.commailto:trans...@tip-offs.com POSITION TITLE: GRADUATE-IN-TRAINING (GIT) DEPARTMENT :GROUP TREASURY LOCATION : JOHANNESBURG REPORTING TO: DESINATED MENTOR/COACH ROLE LEVEL : G REFERENCE NUMBER: FIN/GTGIT:ICT/062011 The Transnet Graduate-In-Training Programme is conducted over a 24 month period during which the Graduate-In-Training will be assessed on a six monthly basis. This Programme will provide you with relevant workplace experience through a structured learning programme and organizational support. REQUIREMENTS *Applicants must be a South African citizens with a valid South African ID; Applicants should be in possession of an undergraduate or post graduate degree from a recognized South African Tertiary Institution in the following studies: Accounting, Economics, Finance, Statistics and Mathematics (with an average of 60% or higher) THE GRADUATE-IN-TRAINING: GROUP TREASURY WILL BE EXPOSED TO THE FOLLOWING AREAS WITHIN THE GROUP TREASURY ENVIRONMENT: FRONT OFFICE (Cash management, Debt management and Trading): * Deal execution (Foreign exchange, bonds, repo's, bond and commercial paper auctions, derivatives, investments), cash management for the Group, short term liquidity requirements, bridging loans through bank facility utilisation, debt management, rates forecasts for the Group, financial market analysis, Transnet's credit rating process. STRUCTURED FINANCE: * Establishment of funding programs, establishment of Funding Strategy and annual funding plan, establishment and execution of funding agreements, manage medium and long term liquidity requirements. TREASURY OPERATIONS: * Settlements, bank reconciliations, accounting, payments for the Group, Exchange control, Treasury IT, Treasury operational risk management. RISK MANAGEMENT AND COMPLIANCE: * Confirmations, ISDA/ISMA agreements, process of FICA (Treasury), Treasury compliance, Construction of Financial Risk management Policy and updates, pricing of financial instruments, including rates and curve construction, financial risk identification, analysis, development of mitigation strategies and reporting to Various Governance Structures. kind regards Mduduzi Sibeko Admin/finance [cid:image002.jpg@01CA5626.C30DADC0] T +27-11-724-9281 C +27-71-101-2595 F +27-11-900-1929 F 086-754-2176 E msib...@randwater.co.zamailto:msib...@randwater.co.za www.randwater.co.zahttp://www.randwater.co.za This email and any accompanying attachments may contain confidential and proprietary information. This information is private and protected by law and, accordingly, if you are not the intended recipient, you are requested to delete this entire communication immediately and are notified that any disclosure, copying or distribution of or taking any action based on this information is prohibited. Emails cannot be guaranteed to be secure or free of errors or viruses. The sender does not accept any liability or responsibility for any interception, corruption, destruction, loss, late arrival or incompleteness of or tampering or interference with any of the information contained in this email or for its incorrect delivery or non-delivery for whatsoever reason or for its effect on any electronic device of the recipient. Views and opinions expressed or implied in this email are those of the sender unless clearly stated as being that of Rand Water. If verification of this email or any attachment is required, please request a hard-copy version. -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com inline: image001.jpg
RE: [PAYCO] National.xls
Cde Elijah Skhosana: The strategy of the PAC should be miscellaneous. Relying on a single narrow approach will be very treacherous for us. Are you aware that the DA has been campaigning in Universities to get graduates alluring them with some sots of lucrative offers in its cooperate formations. Someone told me that, in order to defeat your enemy, emulate and improve their strategy. We haven't fought blood fights with the charterists to bicker for membership or political influence. They have always been ahead of us, and we have been trailing behind. My central point is, whichever, strategy that we can come with. If its designed to lead us to the revamped PAC I am happy. Your argument is too simplistic, let us capture the poor, landless and so on. The question I have is do they believe in us as credible leaders. i tell you, we need to develop structures before we can claim the support of the downtrodden masses of Azania. Why did Vusimuzi Make seek to restore the splinter group Templeton Ntantala in exile ? the option should have been simple and said, these are just dissidents who must be ignored. Those that chronicle our history tell us that during the periods of Vusimuzi Make and John Nyathi Pokela the PAC was back to its pristine position in which it was the 60's. -Original Message- From: payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:payco@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Elijah Skhosana Sent: Friday, May 20, 2011 11:11 AM To: payco@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [PAYCO] National.xls M-Afrika Walter/Mduduzi, are you saying that the success of the PAC depends on those who deserted it instead of the masses who really need it for their ultimate freedom? Those who still believe in the revival of the PAC must work hard and with unequaled commitment in putting the line across in every corner of the land preaching the gospel of truth to the masses, perchance those who deserted the party will also hear the message and come back home. I am not suggesting that our fellow Africans and Africanists in those formations should not be recruited back but that should not be the programme of the party lest we will be like others surviving on making alliances so that we can get seats in parliament. -Original Message- From: payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:payco@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Walter Molapo Sent: 20 May 2011 10:13 AM To: payco@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [PAYCO] National.xls Cde Ali Khangela Hlongwane, when are you guys gona realise that as Africans we really need each other. Comrades in PAM, APC, some in ID and DA including ANC were members of PAC, if PAC is serious about occupying a strategic place in the politics of our African continent and the world it must seek to claim these comrades back to PAC. PAC COMRADES PLEASE START TO THINK BIG. a...@joburg.org.za 2011/05/20 09:52 AM Cde Mduduzi I would like to point out that the line you are taking is meaningless. That is looking at PAM and APC as so-called brothers. The teachings of the founders of the PAC particularly Sobukwe, Pokela and Mothopeng was always that we must look up to the masses of African people. We are told that the population of Azania is 49 million people. We must look to those millions of Africans out there-intellectuals, students, the youth, workers, the rural poor, the unemployed and the homeless. It is by understanding the new struggles of these popular classes that we can rebuild the PAC. In fact it is these masses who can rebuild the PAC. This will translate into the PAC having a presence in the ever changing settlement landscape of Azania; it will mean the PAC evolving fresh perspectives on the complex problems of Azania, Africa and the world we live in; it will mean the PAC evolving new strategies and tactics for organising and mobilising- I agree with you that the PAYCO goggle group has potential and we should encourage more Africanists to subscribe. We may not agree with Obama but it would be foolish not to study his mastery of the new forms of communication. The same applies to the uprisings in Egypt and Tunisia. Can the sms, email, etc be one of many forums we can use to speak to each other, strategise and rebuild structure. In the final analysis a programme of renewal that looks to people who broke away from the PAC as opposed to the millions of people out there is bound to fail. Ali Khangela Hlongwane Chief Curator: Museum Africa 121 Bree Street Newtown 2001 Box 517 Newtown Tel:(011) 833 5624 Fax:(011)833 5636 Cell: 082 4639869 a...@joburg.org.za http//joburg.org.za/culture/museums-galleries (This letter was sent electronically and is therefore not signed) # The contents of this e-mail and any attachments are confidential. It is intended for the named recipient(s) only. If you have received this email in error please notify the system
[PAYCO] stolen heritage
Dear Comrades Floyd shivambu, Julius Malema and ANC Youth league I certainly believe that this is the most trying time for the ANC and Youth League in the context of mass support. The saying goes as ' the hunter has become the hunted'. Over the past months the Youth League president Julius Malema has been ridiculing the PAC and its history. Among other things Malema has misguidedly deceived his followers and the African people in general about the PAC of Azania. Among other things, Malema including scribers in the ANC today have misled the African people about the history of South Africa. According to him, the PAC including other liberation movements have never been liberation movement. This is a blatant revision of history of this country. On one occasion, Malema falsely stated that the Sharpville day was a protest of the ANC, and that the PAC stole it from the ANC. This was extremely absurd in the sense that it negated what the historian authorities have said about the PAC's role in this campaign. Leading ANC figures who were at the highest echelons of the ANC then including Duma Nokwe admitted that the event was planned and belonged to the PAC. In an article that appeared in the ANC today, the writers cherry picked extracts from the work of historians such as Tom Lodge to ridicule the PAC. Admittedly, we haven't done well in the electoral game in this country, however, I need to point out that such seetbacks do not necessarily erode the history which we are part of. Firstly, I m not certain if you are aware that we are the organization that changed the history of liberation struggle in this country. Without the PAC'S anti- pass campaign, the liberation movement would not have been banned. Secondly, why was the PAC banned in 1960 if it was not a liberation movement. Thirdly, why would the PAC leader Mangaliso Sobukwe have his special law, Sobukwe Clause, aimed at keeping him in a political quarantine. Why would the liberal Helem Suzman, for a number of years agitate for the repealation of a Sobukwe clause for a number of years. Historians such as Tom Lodge, that your writers selectively quote, say unambiguously that PAC lobbying succeeded in the expulsion of the South African government in the General assembly of the United Nations in the 1970's. I am raising these historical antecedents chiefly because Malema denies the historicity of the PAC's role in the liberation struggle. We are happily today that we have achieved a political independence, however, your structure ( ANC youth League) denies our role in the struggle for liberation. We are perplexed when you reacted when liberal formations such as DA and COPE CLAIMED THAT Nelson Mandela voted then in these elections. Also the DA has been staging its rallies in places wherein you claim heritage. Is it ok when you discount others role in the liberation struggle and oppose that you claim to have stolen your heritage ?. Azapo which was the brainchild of BCM of the 70's has been stripped its liberation credentials. tell us how does one earn liberation struggle credentials. Is it belonging to the ANC ? I am certain that objective historian have engraved our history in the rocks, and to erase it is not difficult but impossible. I am a witness to the role of the PAC liberation struggle. surprisingly, Mr Malema has made some sort of a detour in your Freedom Charter by saying that the land doesn't belong to all who live on it, in his call for land expropriation campaigns. The PAC which has been harping on land question for many years, finds Julius Malema supporting that cause, but failing to acknowledge its architects. Hope to hear from you KInd regards Mduduzi Sibeko Admin/finance [cid:image002.jpg@01CA5626.C30DADC0] T +27-11-724-9281 C +27-71-101-2595 F +27-11-900-1929 F 086-754-2176 Email: msib...@randwater.co.zamailto:msib...@randwater.co.za URL:www.randwater.co.zahttp://www.randwater.co.za This email and any accompanying attachments may contain confidential and proprietary information. This information is private and protected by law and, accordingly, if you are not the intended recipient, you are requested to delete this entire communication immediately and are notified that any disclosure, copying or distribution of or taking any action based on this information is prohibited. Emails cannot be guaranteed to be secure or free of errors or viruses. The sender does not accept any liability or responsibility for any interception, corruption, destruction, loss, late arrival or incompleteness of or tampering or interference with any of the information contained in this email or for its incorrect delivery or non-delivery for whatsoever reason or for its effect on any electronic device of the recipient. Views and opinions expressed or implied in this email are those of the sender unless clearly stated as being that of Rand Water. If verification of this email or any attachment is required
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Cde Thabo: I hope you are alluding to Letlapa Mphahlele, and your query is whether he voted or not. To my understanding and perception, the PAC lost a media hype. The whereabouts of Mphahlele during elections can be a matter of speculation, unless someone knows where did he vote. I can certainly believe, he voted. A week ago, I met an old friend who was an africanist, greeting him, I expected a warm reception. He began his long moan about his personal problem, which he claimed to have been worsened by the PAC. He claimed that africanist burnt his house, and other allegation which I believed to be baseless. At the end, all what he told me, explained his resolve to join the ANC. I have met tens of Africanists that have capitulated, others have been not been timid to tell me that they wanted an organization that progresses. By this, they mean that they need some state accruals in a form of benefiting from state's tenders. We are a neo-patrimonial state, by this we mean that allegiances to a particular ideology depends on clientelism. On other words, it matters not what are your personal values, money is all what matters. Unfortunately, africanist have fallen prey to this predator called clientelism. I wonder, how difficult was it for us to capitalize on the weakness of the ANC's service delivery. Should the DA transcend our ability to influence on African people. What did prof mean when he said ...the PAC will triumph, because we have African people on our side.. if we can make some imprints on the elections, how do we justify our relevance ? I suggest that we go back, think about using all recourses to attract attention to the PAC. Maybe lets go to the scattered ensemble of africanist groupings such as APC, Pan Africanist Movement And other unorganized formations. We need to work tirelessly. I believe three or four times ,Seroke has mentioned that the DP (now DA) was at doldrums in post 1994 era, clinching only 2 %, but look where it is today. There was a hype and anxiety about its inroads in the previously disadvantaged African communities. Lets us invite friends to our meetings, let us expand this circulation. I see, we have less than 500 people that are on PAYCO group. If we can have a goal of extending the list to 1000 before the end of the year. I hope we would have done well. I tell you, I got someone who joined the PAC through this circulation. From: payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:payco@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of thabo mathiba Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2011 7:50 AM To: payco@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [PAYCO] ezwelethu ma-afrika is it true our president didnt vote yersterday if yes indeed its true why didnt he vote On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 6:55 AM, Mduduzi Sibeko msib...@randwater.co.zamailto:msib...@randwater.co.za wrote: Cde Seroke: http://www.sowetanlive.co.za/goodlife/2011/05/17/quality-reading#leaf Attached is an article about Muendane. Some years ago, I attempted to establish some personal contacts with him as a stalwart of the PAC. Again, his involvement in the central role of the PAC around 1979-1980's after the deposition of Leballo ,meant that I could learn a lot from him. However, when I spoke to him, he snapped at me, insisting that I should speak to his secretary. Disappointed, I enquired about his personal outlook from those that worked with him, and I was told that he had an abrasive disposition. Among other things, he seems to be an passionate writer. His work about Vusimuzi Make, did not seem to have enjoyed a wide circulation among the PAC people. I have established that, in the criticism of his work about Make, that Muendane seemed to have over venerated Make. While I was extolling him on writing about Make, one PAC (who remains nameless) retorted and said we were there, and the things that Muendane say are exaggerations. Has Muendane fall into oblivion within the file and ranks of the PAC. Please relate to me about his literary contribution within the organization and his role in the Make's leadership. I got a glimpse from Kondlo's work about Muendane. KInd regards Mduduzi Sibeko Admin/finance T +27-11-724-9281tel:%2B27-11-724-9281 C +27-71-101-2595tel:%2B27-71-101-2595 F +27-11-900-1929tel:%2B27-11-900-1929 F 086-754-2176 Email: msib...@randwater.co.zamailto:msib...@randwater.co.za URL:www.randwater.co.zahttp://www.randwater.co.za/ This email and any accompanying attachments may contain confidential and proprietary information. This information is private and protected by law and, accordingly, if you are not the intended recipient, you are requested to delete this entire communication immediately and are notified that any disclosure, copying or distribution of or taking any action based on this information is prohibited. Emails cannot be guaranteed to be secure or free of errors or viruses. The sender does not accept any liability or responsibility for any interception, corruption
[PAYCO] FW: 6th Sobukwe Memorial lecture at Fort Hare
Sobukwe's memorial lecture This email and any accompanying attachments may contain confidential and proprietary information. This information is private and protected by law and, accordingly, if you are not the intended recipient, you are requested to delete this entire communication immediately and are notified that any disclosure, copying or distribution of or taking any action based on this information is prohibited. Emails cannot be guaranteed to be secure or free of errors or viruses. The sender does not accept any liability or responsibility for any interception, corruption, destruction, loss, late arrival or incompleteness of or tampering or interference with any of the information contained in this email or for its incorrect delivery or non-delivery for whatsoever reason or for its effect on any electronic device of the recipient. Views and opinions expressed or implied in this email are those of the sender unless clearly stated as being that of Rand Water. If verification of this email or any attachment is required, please request a hard-copy version. -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com 6th Robert Sobukwe Memorial Lecture.docx Description: 6th Robert Sobukwe Memorial Lecture.docx
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Cde Seroke: Comrade Jan Shoba became popular during our PASO and Azanyu days. I remember I had his Tshirt with the inscription what the enemy oppose, support and what the enemy supports, oppose. I didn't see him in person. I remember when he was killed. Please tell us about what you know about this fallen unsung hero of our national liberation struggle. Mduduzi Sibeko Admin/finance [cid:image002.jpg@01CA5626.C30DADC0] T +27-11-724-9281 C +27-71-101-2595 F +27-11-900-1929 F 086-754-2176 E msib...@randwater.co.zamailto:msib...@randwater.co.za www.randwater.co.zahttp://www.randwater.co.za This email and any accompanying attachments may contain confidential and proprietary information. This information is private and protected by law and, accordingly, if you are not the intended recipient, you are requested to delete this entire communication immediately and are notified that any disclosure, copying or distribution of or taking any action based on this information is prohibited. Emails cannot be guaranteed to be secure or free of errors or viruses. The sender does not accept any liability or responsibility for any interception, corruption, destruction, loss, late arrival or incompleteness of or tampering or interference with any of the information contained in this email or for its incorrect delivery or non-delivery for whatsoever reason or for its effect on any electronic device of the recipient. Views and opinions expressed or implied in this email are those of the sender unless clearly stated as being that of Rand Water. If verification of this email or any attachment is required, please request a hard-copy version. -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com inline: image001.jpg
RE: [PAYCO] pictures and article for publication
Erratum on the preceding email. I wanted to write 'do addicts' instead of don addicts, please ignore 'n' when reading. Also an unfinished sentence which should read send my late brother's son to rehabilitation institution' -Original Message- From: payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:payco@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mduduzi Sibeko Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 2:36 PM To: payco@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [PAYCO] pictures and article for publication Cde Thomo: Don addicts really quit drugs. I have been flogging a dead horse by trying to send my late brother's son. He promises to quit when he is arrested. Once he comes back, he returns to his habit. I see that you are quite involved in bringing people back to life. Your affords are highly appreciated. Our society needs to be rehabilitated. -Original Message- From: payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:payco@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Thomo Nkgadima Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 2:09 PM To: tshere Subject: [PAYCO] pictures and article for publication Photos by Thomo waga Nkgadima Photo caption:Standing From left Daniel Nthole,Sonto Semelane, Gloria Hlazana,Anton Hendrics(wearing red T/shirt and school learners listerning attentively to an offender's life story. From smoking cigarette to drugs! By Thomo waga Nkgadima Baviaanspoort Emthonjeni juvenile correctional centre of excellence situated 28 km east side of Tshwane,Gauteng hosted crime prevention awareness recently educating school learners about the serious consequences of committing crime. About 124 school kids of Vukuzenzele primary school grade 6 and 7 learners with age ranging from 12 to 16 years from Mamelodi, Nellmapius Ext 3 visited juvenile prison following countless complaints from concerned parents about alarming and mushrooming drug abuse incidents among young people in their area. Offender Anton Rudy Hendricks (21) told an anecdote of how as a child he started smoking cigarette at an early age to be accepted among his peer rather to impress his friends(Due to peer group pressure). Hendricks latter graduated from cigarette to dagga and latter cocaine. That was his point of no return. Today he ended up in prison serving 3 years jail term after Roodepoort Magistrate court convicted him of robbery. Thankfully he acknowledged that he committed crime to feed his bad drug habit. I committed robbery, so that I can get money to buy drugs, He said. He described prison as 'hell'. It is not a walk in a park to serve a sentence in prison but learning through painful experience, he said. Hendicks is undergoing substance abuse programme behind bars and educates fellow inmates about the effects of drugs. There was once a time when the use of drugs was considered a minor issue in township schools but today it has become a major problem, and hardly a day passes without media reports on drugs in South African schools. This is a clear testimony of how the drug market is booming in South Africa. Nowadays it has became more fashionable for school kids to use drugs, unfortunately this affects their school performance, their lives at home, their social conduct and behavior on daily basis, Said: Sonto Simelane, Vukuzenzele primary school teacher. Simelane expressed her feelings about life of juvenile offenders behind bars: It is not a nice feeling to see sentenced kids behind bars. Emthonjeni Manager Social work services and Assistand Director Maggy Matlou warned parents to be aware: Kids are likely to become addicted to drugs as a result peer group pressure. However, doctors are prescribing stimulants, sedatives or tranquillizers for children who suffer from tension, anxiety or depression and that can also lead to drug abuse . We cannot allow drugs to rule lives of our kids, Matlou said. The tour that started at the centre's admission building block was an eye opener to learners. To get firsthand experience about life behind bars.Matlou concluded. -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com This email and any accompanying attachments may contain confidential and proprietary information. This information is private and protected by law and, accordingly, if you are not the intended recipient, you are requested to delete this entire communication immediately and are notified that any disclosure, copying or distribution of or taking any action based on this information is prohibited. Emails cannot be guaranteed to be secure or free of errors or viruses. The sender does not accept any liability or responsibility for any interception, corruption, destruction, loss, late arrival or incompleteness of or tampering or interference with any of the information contained in this email or for its incorrect delivery or non-delivery for whatsoever reason or for its effect on any
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Cde Seroke: I am expecting to be soon blessed with a baby boy, and my intention is to name him 'Azania' and 'Patrice'. On the latter, Patrice Lumumba, a Congolese Africanist who was murdered untimely in a sectarian disunity of Congolese people. Lumumba is one of the forgotten heroes of Africa, among the list of the unsung heroes I may include Tom Mboya of Kenya. It is noteworthy that prof in his speeches made references to them and others incessantly. I have had a disagreement with my wife, who is uniformed about the gigantic contribution that these men made in our course of self-determination. Azania, adopted by the PAC in circa 1967 was a preferred name for a liberated South Africa ( a colonial name which marked the unity of settlers after the Anglo-Boer war in 1909). This name was latter adopted by the BCM activist in the late seventies. I have been attempting without a success to get its etymology. Where did we get 'Azania' ? one thought says it is an Arabic name which means land in the South. My overall intention is that whenever we are no more, those that will remain could say we were there, as pro put it in one of his speeches. Keeping the legacy intact, one means is to popularize the name Azania, I am happy that there are many people with the name Azania. At one instance, where I work, I came across with a vendor called Azania enterprises was emboldened with that, to me, that that an embodiment of pride with the Africanist ideology. To those scholars who subscribe that we are in a post -ideological era, I say to them their assessments or analysis is blind. Mduduzi Sibeko Admin/finance [cid:image002.jpg@01CA5626.C30DADC0] T +27-11-724-9281 C +27-71-101-2595 F +27-11-900-1929 F 086-754-2176 E msib...@randwater.co.zamailto:msib...@randwater.co.za www.randwater.co.zahttp://www.randwater.co.za This email and any accompanying attachments may contain confidential and proprietary information. This information is private and protected by law and, accordingly, if you are not the intended recipient, you are requested to delete this entire communication immediately and are notified that any disclosure, copying or distribution of or taking any action based on this information is prohibited. Emails cannot be guaranteed to be secure or free of errors or viruses. The sender does not accept any liability or responsibility for any interception, corruption, destruction, loss, late arrival or incompleteness of or tampering or interference with any of the information contained in this email or for its incorrect delivery or non-delivery for whatsoever reason or for its effect on any electronic device of the recipient. Views and opinions expressed or implied in this email are those of the sender unless clearly stated as being that of Rand Water. If verification of this email or any attachment is required, please request a hard-copy version. -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com inline: image001.jpg
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Cde Seroke: I first got acquainted with the name Zakes Mda some time ago, most probably from your writings, when you were writing about South African writers. Some months ago, in a shopping center at Benoni, where I live, I saw the book. They made separate collection of Zakes's books. To me, I had an impression that Zakes was a late author, I don't know where did I get that impression.. Lately, I have been googling about him, and I have established that he was and is an illustrious writer. I understand that currently he's lecturing in the US. I will definitely get myself a copy very soon. The other writer that become an unsung figure was Bessie Head, a South African native, who went to live in Botswana. Her masterpiece work, Maru was a textbook for English in Matric for many years in South Africa. I was befuddled at University, in the department of African Politics, when we were doing comparative politics in Southern African that that the name of Bessie Head appeared. Looking back at your contribution to this circulation on a host of issues, I must admit that your writings are second to no one, that is, they are unsurpassed nor unsurpassable. I certainly believe that maybe writers such as Zakes had an indelible impression on your pen. Where you a member of the COSAW, what was the role of this organization in the eighties ? Mduduzi Sibeko Admin/finance [cid:image002.jpg@01CA5626.C30DADC0] T +27-11-724-9281 C +27-71-101-2595 F +27-11-900-1929 F 086-754-2176 E msib...@randwater.co.zamailto:msib...@randwater.co.za www.randwater.co.zahttp://www.randwater.co.za This email and any accompanying attachments may contain confidential and proprietary information. This information is private and protected by law and, accordingly, if you are not the intended recipient, you are requested to delete this entire communication immediately and are notified that any disclosure, copying or distribution of or taking any action based on this information is prohibited. Emails cannot be guaranteed to be secure or free of errors or viruses. The sender does not accept any liability or responsibility for any interception, corruption, destruction, loss, late arrival or incompleteness of or tampering or interference with any of the information contained in this email or for its incorrect delivery or non-delivery for whatsoever reason or for its effect on any electronic device of the recipient. Views and opinions expressed or implied in this email are those of the sender unless clearly stated as being that of Rand Water. If verification of this email or any attachment is required, please request a hard-copy version. -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com inline: image001.jpg
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Cde Seroke; Do you know comrade Victor Mayekiso, who was he ?. I have his speech to the combatants in Tanzania dated 1968 Mduduzi Sibeko Admin/finance [cid:image002.jpg@01CA5626.C30DADC0] T +27-11-724-9249/81 C +27-71-101-2595 F +27-11-900-1929 F 086-754-2176 E msib...@randwater.co.zamailto:msib...@randwater.co.za www.randwater.co.zahttp://www.randwater.co.za This email and any accompanying attachments may contain confidential and proprietary information. This information is private and protected by law and, accordingly, if you are not the intended recipient, you are requested to delete this entire communication immediately and are notified that any disclosure, copying or distribution of or taking any action based on this information is prohibited. Emails cannot be guaranteed to be secure or free of errors or viruses. The sender does not accept any liability or responsibility for any interception, corruption, destruction, loss, late arrival or incompleteness of or tampering or interference with any of the information contained in this email or for its incorrect delivery or non-delivery for whatsoever reason or for its effect on any electronic device of the recipient. Views and opinions expressed or implied in this email are those of the sender unless clearly stated as being that of Rand Water. If verification of this email or any attachment is required, please request a hard-copy version. -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com inline: image001.jpg
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Cde Seroke: Yesterday, when I saw I notification that today, a memorial lecture of Prof Sobukwe was taking place at Fort Hare today. I spoke to professor Kondlo, who told me that he was flying today to deliver a keynote address. It was unfortunate, that it was taking place in a far flung area. I do not know about the existence of the Sobukwe trust. One information, that may be incorrect is that, some foundations or trusts have became defunct. But it appears that the existing foundation is independent to the PAC. I support this, if it's the case. Sobukwe is an unsung continental hero. Thatmi kaplajie, once said to me, we should venerate Sobukwe making his thoughts our daily bread, unfortunately he left heading to the wilderness. Sobukwe, should have a monument or any government building named after him. We should lobby strongly for this. In Daveyton, where I live, we have a place named after Stanley Mokgoba, Ironically, no sign of PAC members existing now. the charterist have failed to rename that area. What about Prof ? Mduduzi Sibeko Admin/finance [cid:image002.jpg@01CA5626.C30DADC0] T +27-11-724-9249/81 C +27-71-101-2595 F +27-11-900-1929 F 086-754-2176 E msib...@randwater.co.zamailto:msib...@randwater.co.za www.randwater.co.zahttp://www.randwater.co.za This email and any accompanying attachments may contain confidential and proprietary information. This information is private and protected by law and, accordingly, if you are not the intended recipient, you are requested to delete this entire communication immediately and are notified that any disclosure, copying or distribution of or taking any action based on this information is prohibited. Emails cannot be guaranteed to be secure or free of errors or viruses. The sender does not accept any liability or responsibility for any interception, corruption, destruction, loss, late arrival or incompleteness of or tampering or interference with any of the information contained in this email or for its incorrect delivery or non-delivery for whatsoever reason or for its effect on any electronic device of the recipient. Views and opinions expressed or implied in this email are those of the sender unless clearly stated as being that of Rand Water. If verification of this email or any attachment is required, please request a hard-copy version. -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com inline: image001.jpg
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Heroes of the struggle come home at last Families bring remains back from Lesotho Feb 17, 2011 11:12 PM | By MICHAEL KIMBERLEY The remains of six struggle icons killed in Lesotho while in exile more than 25 years ago were exhumed and reburied in Eastern Cape this week. Current Font Size: * Tweethttp://twitter.com/share * Sharehttp://www.facebook.com/sharer.php [http://www.timeslive.co.za/multimedia/dynamic/00515/Graves_515052b.jpg] Photograph by: FINBARR O'REILLY Credit: REUTERS [quote]'My brother can now rest in peace' [quote] A prayer service was held in East London on Wednesday night for the fallen anti-apartheid heroes. Family members and hundreds of other mourners were in attendance, most of them waving PAC flags. Eight members of Umkhonto we Sizwe and of the Azanian People's Liberation Army from the Amathole district were buried in Lesotho during the apartheid years. Two of the Apla activists, Cassius Barnabus and Boniswa Ngcukana, were killed while crossing the border from Lesotho into South Africa in 1985. It was never established who was responsible for their deaths, but the then SA Defence Force was suspected. Mzukisi Skweyiya, a former South African non-white bantamweight boxing champion, was killed in suspicious circumstances in a car accident in 1985. His remains were among those of the six. The SADF shot dead the three others, Sipho Notana, Lepota Marayi and Mzwanele Fazzie, in Maseru in 1982. The bodies of Leon Meyer and his wife, Jacqueline, were left in Lesotho at the request of their families. Meyer died in Lesotho in 1985. His wife, Jacqueline Anne Quinn, was a teacher there. A delegation of more than 20 - relatives of the liberation fighters and Amathole district municipality officials - travelled to Lesotho on Sunday to exhume the remains and return them to East London. This was done with the co-operation of the National Prosecuting Authority and the SA National Heritage Council. The bodies were buried about 3.6m deep, reportedly on the apartheid government's instructions, to ensure relatives would struggle to retrieve loved ones. The National Prosecuting Authority has a team dedicated to investigating the disappearances of political activists between 1960 and 1994. The team faces a huge backlog - to date, the remains of only about 100 of 400 missing people have been tracked down and exhumed. Yesterday, Barnabus' wife, Nohle, said: It was very emotional, but I am very happy with what we have achieved. We have brought my husband home. Fazzie's older brother, Zukile, said: My mother is very happy. The remains have been returned to the family. My brother can now rest in peace. Amathole spokesman Gail Pullen said: There are many artifacts and mementos that are still located in foreign countries, including the bodies of struggle heroes who never received a proper burial in their home country. The municipality would help families bury their loved ones. The information contained in this message and or attachments is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any system and destroy any copies. -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com inline: image001.jpginline: image002.gifinline: image003.gif
