Re: OT: Events in Ukraine WARNING -- Political Content

2014-02-21 Thread Carlos R.
Thanks for the interesting and thorough write up about the historical background of the place now known as Ukraine, Dan. But I have to say that the Economist article you have linked is nothing but their usual russophobic stuff. They may pretend to be objective, but they say nothing about the

Re: OT: Events in Ukraine WARNING -- Political Content

2014-02-21 Thread knarf
...and this is why the list is no place to discuss politics... You've gotta know that you're tossing shit at the fan here. No matter whether what you say is true or not it is provocative and will cause angst among already emotional readers. Be ready for angry responses. Cheers, frank On 21

Re: PESO - Real Canadians Wearing Real Hats, Feb. 20/14

2014-02-21 Thread Jack Davis
She appears to be an especially warm compliment to your Real Canadians theme. Nice one, Frank! Jack - Original Message - From: knarf knarftheria...@gmail.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Cc: Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2014 9:19 PM Subject: PESO - Real Canadians

Re: PESO - Real Canadians Wearing Real Hats, Feb. 20/14

2014-02-21 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Well, you've go whole hog on this series. Nice portrait of an attractive lady. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 12:19 AM, knarf knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: I met this delightful creature down on Lakeshore Blvd. today. Loved her pig hat

Re: OT: Events in Ukraine WARNING -- Political Content

2014-02-21 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
I agree that this list is not an appropriate place to debate this, and will have not more to say on the subject here. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 8:09 AM, knarf knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: ...and this is why the list is no place to

Re: PESO - Real Canadians Wearing Real Hats, Feb. 20/14

2014-02-21 Thread Bruce Walker
Double cute, Frank. :-) Great bw conversion too. On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 12:19 AM, knarf knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: I met this delightful creature down on Lakeshore Blvd. today. Loved her pig hat and she was happy to have me photograph it:

Re: PESO: Freddy

2014-02-21 Thread Bruce Walker
I love the shot, Dave. Freddy doesn't look too pleased about posing there. On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 11:40 PM, David Mann dmann...@gmail.com wrote: Here's another historic one from the Commonwealth tour of Australia. This is apparently Freddy. I'm not sure if he's about to boil the billy for

Re: OT: Events in Ukraine WARNING -- Political Content

2014-02-21 Thread Steve Cottrell
On 20/2/14, Bruce Walker, discombobulated, unleashed: my Ukrainian dancing model Yes, um, where exactly do you get these? -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__Broadcast, Corporate, || (O) |Web Video Production --www.seeingeye.tv _ -- PDML

PESO - Katia

2014-02-21 Thread Bruce Walker
Another from 2012; a portrait of Katia. http://flic.kr/p/kjaQoF K20D, DA* 55/1.4 @ f:6.3, 1/160th, ISO 200. Lr + Ps. Bowens strobe in 3x4' softbox, camera right. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the

Re: PESO - Katia

2014-02-21 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Charming; I really love the light in this image. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 10:02 AM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: Another from 2012; a portrait of Katia. http://flic.kr/p/kjaQoF K20D, DA* 55/1.4 @ f:6.3, 1/160th, ISO

Re: Matyolans

2014-02-21 Thread Ann Sanfedele
#2,6 and 11 for me... good to see these ann On 2/20/2014 20:52, Paul Stenquist wrote: Fascinating. All excellent, but 6 is classic. Paul On Feb 20, 2014, at 6:53 PM, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: Following Dan's history of his ancestors I thought people might be interested to see

Re: PESO - February Meltdown

2014-02-21 Thread Ann Sanfedele
Ha - what did kitty think of it all? Looks like the jury is still out ann On 2/20/2014 21:16, Mark C wrote: We have had a great bout of warm weather and rain, which had knocked the snow accumulation back quite a bit. Snapshot of the sidewalk in front of my house this evening, taken while I was

Re: PESO - Katia

2014-02-21 Thread Kenneth Waller
Very nice capture. Some might object to the cut off top of head but IMO, it works here. -Original Message- From: Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com Subject: PESO - Katia Another from 2012; a portrait of Katia. http://flic.kr/p/kjaQoF K20D, DA* 55/1.4 @ f:6.3, 1/160th, ISO 200. Lr +

Re: Matyolans

2014-02-21 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Thanks for posting them again, Bob! Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 6:53 PM, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: Following Dan's history of his ancestors I thought people might be interested to see (again) some of the pictures I took when I

Re: PESO - Real Canadians Wearing Real Hats, Feb. 20/14

2014-02-21 Thread Attila Boros
Very cute! The hat is also nice. On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 7:19 AM, knarf knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: I met this delightful creature down on Lakeshore Blvd. today. Loved her pig hat and she was happy to have me photograph it: http://realcanadianhats.blogspot.ca/2014/02/blog-post.html?m=1

Re: PESO - Katia

2014-02-21 Thread Attila Boros
Lovely model and very nice light! On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 5:02 PM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: Another from 2012; a portrait of Katia. http://flic.kr/p/kjaQoF K20D, DA* 55/1.4 @ f:6.3, 1/160th, ISO 200. Lr + Ps. Bowens strobe in 3x4' softbox, camera right. -- -bmw --

RE: Yahoo is EFFED UP

2014-02-21 Thread John
Just FYI if anyone cares ... The problem I've been having appears intermittently, but it definitely affects one thread; PESO - Read! EVERY time I try to respond to that thread I get the following error from Yahoo: : An error occurred while sending mail. The mail server responded: :

Re: Matyolans

2014-02-21 Thread Jack Davis
Thoroughly enjoyed experiencing these shots. Appreciate the consistent and dramatic exposures. 1, 2, 8 11 (not the actual print number, but counting left to right) I find especially emotion stirring. Jack - Original Message - From: Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com To: Pentax-Discuss

Re: PESO - February Meltdown

2014-02-21 Thread knarf
Love it! The cat makes it imho! Cheers, frank On 20 February, 2014 9:16:56 PM EST, Mark C pdml-m...@charter.net wrote: We have had a great bout of warm weather and rain, which had knocked the snow accumulation back quite a bit. Snapshot of the sidewalk in front of my house this evening, taken

Re: PESO - Katia

2014-02-21 Thread knarf
Beautiful light and model. Love the pose and the wistful look in her eye Cheers, frank On 21 February, 2014 10:02:25 AM EST, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: Another from 2012; a portrait of Katia. http://flic.kr/p/kjaQoF K20D, DA* 55/1.4 @ f:6.3, 1/160th, ISO 200. Lr + Ps. Bowens

Re: Matyolans

2014-02-21 Thread Igor Roshchin
Bob, These photos show the character of the area and people very well. Once, back in 1992, I visited for a week a village hidden in a valley between the mountains, populated by Ruthenians. It is called Vyshka: http://goo.gl/maps/20yg9 It is just on the other (Ukrainian) side of the border, and

Re: PESO: Freddy

2014-02-21 Thread knarf
Quite the document! Cheers, frank On 20 February, 2014 11:40:06 PM EST, David Mann dmann...@gmail.com wrote: Here's another historic one from the Commonwealth tour of Australia. This is apparently Freddy. I'm not sure if he's about to boil the billy for the delegation's tea, or maybe he's

Re: PESO - Ghost Train

2014-02-21 Thread knarf
I love it! I Keep staring at it, almost mesmerized. Cheers, frank On 20 February, 2014 1:00:14 AM EST, Marco Alpert ma...@alpert.com wrote: http://www.alpert.com/marco/photo14/peso4.html Comments, as always, welcomed. -Marco --- http://www.alpert.com/marco “Analysis kills

Re: OT: Shche ne vmerla Ukraina (Ukraine Has Not Yet Died)

2014-02-21 Thread John
Enter ukraine's got talent sand art in YouTube's search box it will turn up more than a dozen instances of that performance. On 2/20/2014 1:59 PM, knarf wrote: Unfortunately that video is blocked in Canada (or at least on android in Canada). Cheers, frank On 20 February, 2014 1:51:11 PM

Re: PESO -- I've got the world on a string

2014-02-21 Thread knarf
Love 'em both but the first one is amazing. She's dwarfed by that huge book case, and I love the colours. Wonderful perspective emphasizes her small size. And the second one is just plain cute as hell. :-) Cheers, frank On 19 February, 2014 12:31:06 PM EST, Igor Roshchin s...@komkon.org

Re: Yahoo is EFFED UP

2014-02-21 Thread Mark Roberts
John wrote: Just FYI if anyone cares ... The problem I've been having appears intermittently, but it definitely affects one thread; PESO - Read! EVERY time I try to respond to that thread I get the following error from Yahoo: : An error occurred while sending mail. The mail server responded:

Daytona Superbird

2014-02-21 Thread Doug Franklin
OK, Cotty, here's your chance! A real, honest-to-God Daytona Superbird with an actual racing history, and a 429, is for sale. No price listed. :) http://www.motorsportretro.com/2014/02/1969-dodge-charger-daytona/

Re: Daytona Superbird

2014-02-21 Thread knarf
Quick! Why was the rear wing so high? No googling, that's cheating. Drool-worthy car. Remember seeing one on the street for the first time. Oh baby! Cheers, frank On 21 February, 2014 1:28:37 PM EST, Doug Franklin do...@nutdriver.org wrote: OK, Cotty, here's your chance! A real,

Re: Daytona Superbird

2014-02-21 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
To ruin the airflow for those trying to draft, of course. Godfrey On Feb 21, 2014, at 10:51 AM, knarf knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: Quick! Why was the rear wing so high? No googling, that's cheating. Drool-worthy car. Remember seeing one on the street for the first time. Oh

Re: OT: Events in Ukraine WARNING -- Political Content

2014-02-21 Thread Bob W-PDML
On 21 Feb 2014, at 14:57, Steve Cottrell co...@seeingeye.tv wrote: On 20/2/14, Bruce Walker, discombobulated, unleashed: my Ukrainian dancing model Yes, um, where exactly do you get these? Same place as you get amazing dancing bears. B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: Daytona Superbird

2014-02-21 Thread knarf
Nothing that sophisticated... Cheers, frank On 21 February, 2014 2:11:40 PM EST, Godfrey DiGiorgi godd...@me.com wrote: To ruin the airflow for those trying to draft, of course. Godfrey On Feb 21, 2014, at 10:51 AM, knarf knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: Quick! Why was the rear wing so

Re: Daytona Superbird

2014-02-21 Thread Paul Stenquist
There was a production version of the Daytona — had to be to make it legal for NASCAR — and the wing had to be high enough for the trunk lid to open. That’s the story of legend anyway. But the car was designed in a wind tunnel and it may well have been that the wing caught more air when

Re: Daytona Superbird

2014-02-21 Thread John Francis
On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 01:28:37PM -0500, Doug Franklin wrote: OK, Cotty, here's your chance! A real, honest-to-God Daytona Superbird with an actual racing history, and a 429, is for sale. No price listed. :) http://www.motorsportretro.com/2014/02/1969-dodge-charger-daytona/

Re: Daytona Superbird

2014-02-21 Thread knarf
Bingo! :-) Cheers, frank On 21 February, 2014 2:29:20 PM EST, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: There was a production version of the Daytona — had to be to make it legal for NASCAR — and the wing had to be high enough for the trunk lid to open. That’s the story of legend anyway.

Re: Matyolans

2014-02-21 Thread Bob W-PDML
Thanks everyone - glad you enjoyed them. I enjoyed taking them. B On 21 Feb 2014, at 18:07, Jack Davis jdavi...@yahoo.com wrote: Thoroughly enjoyed experiencing these shots. Appreciate the consistent and dramatic exposures. 1, 2, 8 11 (not the actual print number, but counting left to

FS Friday - look

2014-02-21 Thread Ann Sanfedele
No - you really have to look :-) http://www.ebay.com/itm/191073434060?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649 (I think Cotty has something similar) my listing. also - I have the P-Sharan Sq-35 pinhole camera that you make from a kit Made in Japan - ©2008 Square format, four

Re: Matyolans

2014-02-21 Thread Attila Boros
Nice gallery, #6 is very good. It might have been Sunday, and they probably were going to or coming from church. #9 is an excellent portrait and my fave. On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 1:53 AM, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: Following Dan's history of his ancestors I thought people might be

PESO: Roof

2014-02-21 Thread Attila Boros
Another photo on my way from home after working late. Taken with the little Sony. http://1x.com/photo/493847 or http://500px.com/photo/61755439 It's the roof of a big store backlit by a neon sign. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to

Re: Matyolans

2014-02-21 Thread Bob W-PDML
Thanks. In fact it was Saturday and there was a big funeral in the village. This was in Transylvania, not in Maramures. I was invited to the wake, where they served stuffed vine leaves washed down with tsuica. Afterwards the family of the deceased man asked me to take their photos, which I

Re: Matyolans

2014-02-21 Thread Attila Boros
On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 11:50 PM, Bob W-PDML p...@web-options.com wrote: they served stuffed vine leaves http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarma_(food) It's a traditional dish, usually made with cabbage leaves, but the vine variety is more tasty:) Afterwards the family of the deceased man asked me

Re: GESO - Highlights from a Current Exhibit / Visitation

2014-02-21 Thread Mark C
Thanks, Christine! On 2/19/2014 10:54 PM, Christine Aguila wrote: Big congrats on the exhibition, Mark C! Very worthy selection! Cheers, Christine On Feb 16, 2014, at 7:54 PM, Mark C pdml-m...@charter.net wrote: I haven't been making many new photos lately, but did hang an exhibit of

Re: PESO - February Meltdown

2014-02-21 Thread Mark C
He likes it - but only for a little while! Problem is there is no place where he can go and not since into snow twice as deep as he is tall. Thanks for looking! Mark On 2/21/2014 11:17 AM, Ann Sanfedele wrote: Ha - what did kitty think of it all? Looks like the jury is still out ann On

Re: PESO - February Meltdown

2014-02-21 Thread Mark C
Thanks, Frank! On 2/21/2014 1:08 PM, knarf wrote: Love it! The cat makes it imho! Cheers, frank On 20 February, 2014 9:16:56 PM EST, Mark C pdml-m...@charter.net wrote: We have had a great bout of warm weather and rain, which had knocked the snow accumulation back quite a bit. Snapshot of

Re: Yahoo is EFFED UP

2014-02-21 Thread John
On 2/21/2014 1:26 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: John wrote: Just FYI if anyone cares ... The problem I've been having appears intermittently, but it definitely affects one thread; PESO - Read! EVERY time I try to respond to that thread I get the following error from Yahoo: : An error occurred

Re: Yahoo is EFFED UP

2014-02-21 Thread steve harley
On Fri, Feb 21, 2014, at 11:06, John wrote: Just FYI if anyone cares ... some of us care way too much about the machinations of email The problem I've been having appears intermittently, but it definitely affects one thread; PESO - Read! sounds like a primitive keyword-based spam filter;

Re: PESO - Read

2014-02-21 Thread John
Test to see if Steve Harley's suggestion of changing the subject line to be less imperative will work. On 2/20/2014 12:46 PM, Bruce Walker wrote: Thanks you, Attila. On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 10:38 AM, Attila Boros attila.p...@gmail.com wrote: It's very nice and brings back a lot of memories

Re: Yahoo is EFFED UP

2014-02-21 Thread John
On 2/21/2014 5:22 PM, steve harley wrote: On Fri, Feb 21, 2014, at 11:06, John wrote: Just FYI if anyone cares ... some of us care way too much about the machinations of email The problem I've been having appears intermittently, but it definitely affects one thread; PESO - Read! sounds

Re: Daytona Superbird

2014-02-21 Thread Larry Colen
On Feb 21, 2014, at 10:28 AM, Doug Franklin do...@nutdriver.org wrote: OK, Cotty, here's your chance! A real, honest-to-God Daytona Superbird with an actual racing history, and a 429, is for sale. No price listed. :) http://www.motorsportretro.com/2014/02/1969-dodge-charger-daytona/

OT - Olympic Hockey

2014-02-21 Thread knarf
Men's. Women's. Canada vs. USA. 'Nuff said... :-) Cheers, frank “Analysis kills spontaneity.” -- Henri-Frederic Amiel -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and

Re: Daytona Superbird

2014-02-21 Thread John
On 2/21/2014 1:28 PM, Doug Franklin wrote: OK, Cotty, here's your chance! A real, honest-to-God Daytona Superbird with an actual racing history, and a 429, is for sale. No price listed. :) http://www.motorsportretro.com/2014/02/1969-dodge-charger-daytona/

Re: PESO Pool Hall Portrait/K-3 low-light work

2014-02-21 Thread Mark C
Great shot, Paul. I assume that you were using the available light, and did a superb job of catching her in excellent lighting. Mark On 2/20/2014 10:02 AM, Paul Stenquist wrote: Finally had a chance to shoot with the K-3 in the dim light of the pool hall. Very pleased. The camera was able to

Re: Daytona Superbird

2014-02-21 Thread John
I never thought they were as cool as the Plymouth Belvedere II that preceded them. I remember back in high school the local Plymouth dealer was on the way when I walked from school to my after school job I'd sometimes stop in to drool over a '66 2-door, 426 Hemi, 3-speed on the floor (Hurst

Re: OT - Olympic Hockey

2014-02-21 Thread John
Bite me! On 2/21/2014 6:48 PM, knarf wrote: Men's. Women's. Canada vs. USA. 'Nuff said... :-) Cheers, frank “Analysis kills spontaneity.” -- Henri-Frederic Amiel -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML,

Re: Daytona Superbird

2014-02-21 Thread Ken Waller
And its right in Larry's backyard ! Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Doug Franklin do...@nutdriver.org Subject: Daytona Superbird OK, Cotty, here's your chance! A real, honest-to-God Daytona Superbird with an actual racing

Re: OT - Olympic Hockey

2014-02-21 Thread Ken Waller
Total Olympic medals ! nuff said :+) Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: knarf knarftheria...@gmail.com Subject: OT - Olympic Hockey Men's. Women's. Canada vs. USA. 'Nuff said... :-) Cheers, frank “Analysis kills

Re: Daytona Superbird

2014-02-21 Thread Ken Waller
Sticker price as equipped $2400 including optional heater AM radio. Seems remarkably low. Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: John johnsess...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Daytona Superbird I never thought they were as cool as the

Re: OT - Olympic Hockey

2014-02-21 Thread Stanley Halpin
On Feb 21, 2014, at 6:48 PM, knarf knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: Men's. Women's. Canada vs. USA. 'Nuff said... :-) Cheers, frank “Analysis kills spontaneity.” -- Henri-Frederic Amiel Aren’t you the one who keeps reminding us to avoid religious or political discussions

GESO Pool Night Low Light Pics

2014-02-21 Thread Paul Stenquist
I finally had a few minutes to render some of my pool night pics. All were shot with the K-3 and the DA* 50-135/2.8 at f4 and ISO 12800. I included a couple of pics that are a bit soft due to motion blur at 1/15th second or thereabouts. Some of the pics in the extremely deep shadow are a it

Re: Daytona Superbird

2014-02-21 Thread Larry Colen
On Feb 21, 2014, at 4:30 PM, Ken Waller kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote: And its right in Larry's backyard ! Not quite my backyard, but if you look closely, I posted photographic proof that I could see myself in it. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

RE: Daytona Superbird

2014-02-21 Thread John Coyle
Walnut veneer on a race car!?! I had a 1966 Charger in Oz for a while - crude but great to drive. John Coyle Brisbane, Australia -Original Message- From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Larry Colen Sent: Saturday, 22 February 2014 9:45 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List

Re: Daytona Superbird

2014-02-21 Thread J.C. O'Connell
in 69 there was the charger daytona and in 70 there was the plymouth superbird, but I dont think there was ever a Daytona superbird. The motor was a 426 hemi, not a 429 unless it was bored and or stroked a little. On 2/21/2014 1:28 PM, Doug Franklin wrote: OK, Cotty, here's your chance! A

ATTN Bob Sullivan

2014-02-21 Thread Boris Liberman
Bob, I have sent you couple of messages of the list. Could you please have a look? Or may be they ended up in the spam folder... Thanks. Boris Sent with AquaMail for Android http://www.aqua-mail.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: ATTN Bob Sullivan

2014-02-21 Thread Bob Sullivan
Hold your horses Boris. I just haven't replied yet. And have an old friend's funeral tomorrow AM. Bob On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 10:23 PM, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote: Bob, I have sent you couple of messages of the list. Could you please have a look? Or may be they ended up in the spam

Re: Daytona Superbird

2014-02-21 Thread Doug Franklin
On 2014-02-21 19:35, Ken Waller wrote: Sticker price as equipped $2400 including optional heater AM radio. Seems remarkably low. In '67 my dad bought a brand new Plymouth Barracuda Fastback for about $3,500. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: Daytona Superbird

2014-02-21 Thread Ken Waller
For reference, in 1966, my 1966 Shelby GT 350 was only $4200, new out the door. Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Doug Franklin do...@nutdriver.org Subject: Re: Daytona Superbird On 2014-02-21 19:35, Ken Waller wrote:

Re: ATTN Bob Sullivan

2014-02-21 Thread Boris Liberman
I am sorry to hear such sad news... :-(... I will wait. Sent with AquaMail for Android http://www.aqua-mail.com On February 22, 2014 6:45:11 AM Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com wrote: Hold your horses Boris. I just haven't replied yet. And have an old friend's funeral tomorrow AM. Bob On

Re: Daytona Superbird

2014-02-21 Thread Steve Cottrell
On 21/2/14, Doug Franklin, discombobulated, unleashed: OK, Cotty, here's your chance! A real, honest-to-God Daytona Superbird with an actual racing history, and a 429, is for sale. No price listed. :) http://www.motorsportretro.com/2014/02/1969-dodge-charger-daytona/