Re: Talk about crap

2006-07-29 Thread DagT
Subject: Re: Talk about crap Well, actually the Swiss, and the German, are quite good. Fond or rules and order. In Germany they often have Ph. D´s while in the US they often have bachelors degrees in their technical field... .-) DagT Den 28. jul. 2006 kl. 21.29 skrev Bob W: Perhaps he

RE: Talk about crap

2006-07-28 Thread Bob W
All too true. Is that what they are called, fast food technicians? Oh, boy. Marnie aka Doe ;-) Don't worry - it's only a matter of time before they become fast food engineers. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

Re: Talk about crap

2006-07-28 Thread mike wilson
From: P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2006/07/28 Fri AM 03:34:01 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Talk about crap If Moon landing deniers are today's flat earth people, what the heck are these wackos? http://www.alaska.net/~clund/e_djublonskopf

Re: Talk about crap

2006-07-28 Thread Keith McGuinness
Aaron Reynolds wrote: On Jul 26, 2006, at 5:27 PM, Keith McGuinness wrote: I don't feel that my academic freedom would be infringed in the least if he got the boot. Keith, you wouldn't feel that your academic freedom would be infringed if a professor were booted without an examination of

Re: Talk about crap

2006-07-28 Thread Don Williams
Its an elaborate joke. Read the footnote on the main page. Don mike wilson wrote: From: P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2006/07/28 Fri AM 03:34:01 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Talk about crap If Moon landing deniers are today's flat earth people, what

Re: Talk about crap

2006-07-28 Thread mike wilson
Mine was less elaborate. No footnotes. I wouldn't offend people who live that far North. Not me. No, sir. 8-) From: Don Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2006/07/28 Fri AM 09:10:14 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Talk about crap Its an elaborate joke. Read

Re: Talk about crap

2006-07-28 Thread Doug Franklin
mike wilson wrote: Mine was less elaborate. No footnotes. I wouldn't offend people who live that far North. Not me. No, sir. 8-) Speaking of elaborate, jokes, and crap, here's one of my favorites: The Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster http://www.venganza.org/ -- Thanks, DougF

Re: Talk about crap

2006-07-28 Thread graywolf
21:18 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Talk about crap But he was correct. All you need is all the facts and a powerful enough computer. Boulders are not capable of self-determination and follow pure physical rules. However, if he was applying that to psychology he

Re: Talk about crap

2006-07-28 Thread graywolf
I think that most of our comments, have the unstated but presumed to be understood proviso If the article is correct. Most of us are talking generalities and think that if someone is using their teaching position proselytize their own agenda they should not be supported by the taxpayers. One

Re: Talk about crap

2006-07-28 Thread graywolf
Interesting, since the US patent laws specifically says PM machines are not patentable, and any such are automatically rejected without consideration. Now it is possible some things have been patented that fall into that category, but the fact that they do has, in that case, been cleverly

Re: Talk about crap

2006-07-28 Thread P. J. Alling
Fri AM 03:34:01 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Talk about crap If Moon landing deniers are today's flat earth people, what the heck are these wackos? http://www.alaska.net/~clund/e_djublonskopf/Flatearthsociety.htm They are Alaskans. Over six months

Re: Talk about crap

2006-07-28 Thread graywolf
Yeh, around here they get $10/hr while those PHD's working at BK make only $8. But then, this is a Liberal Arts University town, so there is a glut of PHD's. -- graywolf http://www.graywolfphoto.com http://webpages.charter.net/graywolf Idiot Proof == Expert Proof

Re: Talk about crap

2006-07-28 Thread graywolf
and stay here reading the PDML. -- graywolf http://www.graywolfphoto.com http://webpages.charter.net/graywolf Idiot Proof == Expert Proof --- William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: David Savage Subject: Re: Talk about crap At 07:35 AM 27

Re: Talk about crap

2006-07-28 Thread keith_w
graywolf wrote: Interesting, since the US patent laws specifically says PM machines are not patentable, and any such are automatically rejected without consideration. Now it is possible some things have been patented that fall into that category, but the fact that they do has, in that case,

Re: Talk about crap

2006-07-28 Thread DagT
That is probably true. Another thing is that some patent attorneys are so good at camouflaging real inventive that they end of with a PM .-) DagT Den 28. jul. 2006 kl. 17.24 skrev graywolf: Interesting, since the US patent laws specifically says PM machines are not patentable, and any

Re: Talk about crap

2006-07-28 Thread graywolf
But some of us have actually met him, and can testify that he is a robot fueled by beer. -- graywolf http://www.graywolfphoto.com http://webpages.charter.net/graywolf Idiot Proof == Expert Proof --- P. J. Alling wrote: Hey, what about my Theory that knarf is

Re: Talk about crap

2006-07-28 Thread DagT
Den 28. jul. 2006 kl. 17.43 skrev keith_w: graywolf wrote: Interesting, since the US patent laws specifically says PM machines are not patentable, and any such are automatically rejected without consideration. Now it is possible some things have been patented that fall into that category,

Re: Talk about crap

2006-07-28 Thread David Savage
Frank: http://www.sf-radio.net/futurama/bilder/bender.gif Dave :-) On 7/28/06, graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But some of us have actually met him, and can testify that he is a robot fueled by beer. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: Talk about crap

2006-07-28 Thread frank theriault
On 7/28/06, graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But some of us have actually met him, and can testify that he is a robot fueled by beer. C'mon Tom, If someone was going to build a robot, doncha think they'd have built it better looking and smarter than me? g cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a

RE: Talk about crap

2006-07-28 Thread Bob W
Har! -- Cheers, Bob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of graywolf Sent: 28 July 2006 15:55 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Talk about crap I kind of think I have just been insulted by an expert. -- graywolf http

RE: Talk about crap

2006-07-28 Thread Bob W
Probably because Alaska's closer to Jerusalem on a flat earth. -- Cheers, Bob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of P. J. Alling Sent: 28 July 2006 16:31 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Talk about crap Actually the real

RE: Talk about crap

2006-07-28 Thread Bob W
So it seems that your arguments are, to quote someone or another, Much Ado About Nothing. Probably Mark Twain... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

Re: Talk about crap

2006-07-28 Thread Aaron Reynolds
On Jul 28, 2006, at 3:05 PM, frank theriault wrote: If someone was going to build a robot, doncha think they'd have built it better looking and smarter than me? With a good amount of Photoshop, Frank can look passably intelligent. However, Dave Chang-Sang will always be too bald. -Aaron --

RE: Talk about crap

2006-07-28 Thread Bob W
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of graywolf Sent: 28 July 2006 16:24 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Talk about crap Interesting, since the US patent laws specifically says PM machines are not patentable, and any

RE: Talk about crap

2006-07-28 Thread Bob W
That guy gets some totally ace emails: http://www.venganza.org/email_neg.htm -- Cheers, Bob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Doug Franklin Sent: 28 July 2006 13:31 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Talk about crap mike

Re: Talk about crap

2006-07-28 Thread frank theriault
On 7/28/06, David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Frank: http://www.sf-radio.net/futurama/bilder/bender.gif H... A surprisingly accurate likeness... g cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: Talk about crap

2006-07-28 Thread DagT
: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of graywolf Sent: 28 July 2006 16:24 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Talk about crap Interesting, since the US patent laws specifically says PM machines are not patentable, and any such are automatically rejected without

RE: Talk about crap

2006-07-28 Thread Bob W
Really? You amaze me. -- Cheers, Bob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of DagT Sent: 28 July 2006 20:51 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Talk about crap Well, actually the Swiss, and the German, are quite good. Fond

Re: Talk about crap

2006-07-28 Thread DagT
- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of graywolf Sent: 28 July 2006 16:24 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Talk about crap Interesting, since the US patent laws specifically says PM machines are not patentable, and any such are automatically rejected

RE: Talk about crap

2006-07-28 Thread Bob W
Of DagT Sent: 28 July 2006 21:34 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Talk about crap Not really, I should know. I am a patent attorney and former patent examiner/clerk in Norway, and a partner here: http:// www.protector.biz/uk/ You´ll find my face somewhere on that cite. ...and just

Re: Talk about crap

2006-07-28 Thread DagT
Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of DagT Sent: 28 July 2006 21:34 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Talk about crap Not really, I should know. I am a patent attorney and former patent examiner/clerk in Norway, and a partner here: http

RE: Talk about crap

2006-07-28 Thread Tom C
It's all relative you know. Tom C. From: Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' pdml@pdml.net Subject: RE: Talk about crap Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 22:19:38 +0100 Amazing. I'm astounded that any Swiss patent clerk could

Re: Talk about crap

2006-07-28 Thread frank theriault
On 7/28/06, Tom C [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's all relative you know. You're related to DagT? cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

Re: Talk about crap

2006-07-28 Thread Tom C
On 7/28/06, Tom C [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's all relative you know. You're related to DagT? cheers, frank As a matter of fact I believe I'm related to both of you. :-) Tom C. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

Re: Talk about crap

2006-07-28 Thread Doug Franklin
DagT wrote: ...and just to say somethng about the US patent attorneys: They have law degrees as well, making them very good at handling conflicts. handling or instigating? :-) -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: Talk about crap

2006-07-28 Thread frank theriault
On 7/28/06, Tom C [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As a matter of fact I believe I'm related to both of you. :-) Wow, your answer to my post was, like, at the speed of light!! cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: Talk about crap

2006-07-28 Thread Bob Sullivan
No joke, His Noodlelyness has come to me in my dreams. He awakened my dormant pirate spirit and urged me to take action on global warming. I am building a ship to sail down river from Chicago to New Orleans and the Gulf of Mexico where I can become a Pirate of the Caribbean. Please pass the

Re: Talk about crap

2006-07-28 Thread graywolf
HAR! back at you grin. -- graywolf http://www.graywolfphoto.com http://webpages.charter.net/graywolf Idiot Proof == Expert Proof --- Bob W wrote: So it seems that your arguments are, to quote someone or another, Much Ado About Nothing. Probably Mark

Re: Talk about crap

2006-07-28 Thread graywolf
: Really? You amaze me. -- Cheers, Bob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of DagT Sent: 28 July 2006 20:51 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Talk about crap Well, actually the Swiss, and the German, are quite good. Fond

Re: Talk about crap

2006-07-27 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: keith_w Subject: Re: Talk about crap Sad, but true. My son quit school and got a job driving an ice cream truck, for money he couldn't have made for another 5 or 6 *YEARS* following his chosen line of education and work. Guess what? He loves

Re: Talk about crap

2006-07-27 Thread Cotty
On 26/7/06, keith_w, discombobulated, unleashed: My son quit school and got a job driving an ice cream truck, for money he couldn't have made for another 5 or 6 *YEARS* following his chosen line of education and work. Have you ever seen 'Thunderbolt and Lightfoot' (1974, Clint Eastwood, Jeff

Re: Talk about crap

2006-07-27 Thread Cotty
On 26/7/06, William Robb, discombobulated, unleashed: I don't know how true this is, but I have heard that plumbers in England can pretty much charge whatever they want, some making 1/4 million pounds a year. Norwegian plumbers are all off shooting porn

RE: Talk about crap

2006-07-27 Thread Bob W
So are the Polish ones. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4115164.stm Look at the size of his flange! -- Cheers, Bob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cotty Sent: 27 July 2006 08:35 To: pentax list Subject: Re: Talk about

RE: Talk about crap

2006-07-27 Thread DagT
: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cotty Sent: 27 July 2006 08:35 To: pentax list Subject: Re: Talk about crap On 26/7/06, William Robb, discombobulated, unleashed: I don't know how true this is, but I have heard that plumbers in England can pretty much

Re: Talk about crap

2006-07-27 Thread mike wilson
From: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2006/07/26 Wed PM 11:35:53 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Talk about crap - Original Message - From: keith_w Subject: Re: Talk about crap I expect, no demand, that any education I pay

Re: Talk about crap

2006-07-27 Thread Keith McGuinness
William Robb wrote: Sad, but true. My son quit school and got a job driving an ice cream truck, for money he couldn't have made for another 5 or 6 *YEARS* following his chosen line of education and work. Why is it sad? Universities have done an excellent job of brainwashing the masses into

RE: Talk about crap

2006-07-27 Thread mike wilson
From: DagT [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2006/07/27 Thu AM 07:55:18 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: RE: Talk about crap I need a warning about pictures like this. I don't want my wife to see it... DagT Don't worry. He will be a lousy plumber. Fra: Bob W

Re: Talk about crap

2006-07-27 Thread keith_w
Cotty wrote: On 26/7/06, keith_w, discombobulated, unleashed: My son quit school and got a job driving an ice cream truck, for money he couldn't have made for another 5 or 6 *YEARS* following his chosen line of education and work. Have you ever seen 'Thunderbolt and Lightfoot' (1974,

Re: Talk about crap

2006-07-27 Thread keith_w
Aaron Reynolds wrote: I think I know why this conversation is confusing me -- in Canada, colleges and universities are different animals. You go to college for a targeted, practical education. You go to university to acquire letters to place behind your name on your resume. -Aaron Okay.

Re: Talk about crap

2006-07-27 Thread Bob Shell
On Jul 26, 2006, at 8:32 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: His premise is that 9/11 was staged by the US government. He claims that explosives, not airplanes, brought down the buildings. He's been on TV and in some newspapers. I suspect he's history. His vision isn't just different, it's absurd.

Re: Talk about crap

2006-07-27 Thread Cotty
On 27/7/06, keith_w, discombobulated, unleashed: Have you ever seen 'Thunderbolt and Lightfoot' (1974, Clint Eastwood, Jeff Bridges) ? ;-) Yes, long ago... Since I can't recall the theme, it appears it's time to get a copy again and review it! Aha, I did a Google search, and NOW I

Re: Talk about crap

2006-07-27 Thread keith_w
Cotty wrote: On 27/7/06, keith_w, discombobulated, unleashed: Have you ever seen 'Thunderbolt and Lightfoot' (1974, Clint Eastwood, Jeff Bridges) ? ;-) Yes, long ago... Since I can't recall the theme, it appears it's time to get a copy again and review it! Aha, I did a Google search,

Re: Talk about crap

2006-07-27 Thread P. J. Alling
Actually the biggest bullshit is the assumption that a legislature doesn't have the right to pull funding from a state university, on the basis of academic freedom. A legislature can do any damned thing that they can get a majority to vote for, and frequently proves it. Then there's the fact

Re: Talk about crap

2006-07-27 Thread P. J. Alling
I wouldn't put a lot of credence in the Pentagon having been that well defended before 9-11. During the cold war the USAF flew combat air patrols over important installations and had 15min warning ready fighters on many airstrips. Either of these options was very expensive, it's expensive to

Re: Talk about crap

2006-07-27 Thread P. J. Alling
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Talk about crap Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 14:46:06 -0400 On Jul 25, 2006, at 9:06 AM, Aaron Reynolds wrote: I've read some interesting and compelling arguments for the fakery of the moon photographs, but I've read even

Re: Talk about crap

2006-07-27 Thread Aaron Reynolds
He's more advanced than Eliza... more like MegaHAL. USER: Live and die for Slayer! MEGAHAL: A COMPUTER CANNOT DIE FOR SLAYER -Aaron -Original Message- From: P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subj: Re: Talk about crap Date: Thu Jul 27, 2006 11:20 pm Size: 584 bytes To: Pentax-Discuss

Re: Talk about crap

2006-07-27 Thread P. J. Alling
Hey, what about my Theory that knarf is an auto reply Eliza program? Mark Roberts wrote: Norman Baugher wrote: From: Tom C Not to mention that the USSR never doubted it as a fact. Just as I thought!! The USSR was in on the conspiracy... Norm Norm. Yeah, right. Everyone

Re: Talk about crap

2006-07-27 Thread P. J. Alling
I don't have a problem with free speech, I have a problem with 1.) involuntarily paying for it, (supporting them with tax dollars), and 2.) Giving them a captive audience. Otherwise people can say anything they want. It's even easier today, than ever before. Anyone who wants to spend a few

Re: Talk about crap

2006-07-27 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 7/26/2006 2:54:36 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: That's for post grad school. When you're a university freshman, and a couple of levels up from there, you have to be taught or exposed to truth as we know it. Like all well-learned subjects, first get

Re: Talk about crap

2006-07-27 Thread P. J. Alling
I would. It's a good life. I'm often sorry I passed on it. Mark Roberts wrote: Paul Stenquist wrote: I wouldn't hire a lunatic to teach a college course. Who else would take the job? ;-) -- When you're worried or in doubt, Run in circles, (scream and shout). --

Re: Talk about crap

2006-07-27 Thread P. J. Alling
To: pdml@pdml.net Subject: RE: Talk about crap I agree with everything you wrote Bob. It's just this guy should go stand on a street corner somewhere and preach his crap instead of getting paid to do it in an institution of so-called higher learning. Tom C. -- When you're worried

Re: Talk about crap

2006-07-27 Thread P. J. Alling
Obviously it was a fig newton of your imagination, (and Cotty's as well I would imagine). frank theriault wrote: On 7/25/06, Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Norm. Yeah, right. Everyone knows Norm is just a figment of Frank Theriault's imagination. Then who called Cotty from GFM

Re: Talk about crap

2006-07-27 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 7/26/2006 6:54:13 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: At the moment a good tradesman (Electrician, carpenter, welder, fitter turner etc.) can make more than any university educated fast food technician. ;-) Dave == All too true. Is that what they are

Re: Talk about crap

2006-07-27 Thread P. J. Alling
I'd stay away from that if I were you, far away... Aaron Reynolds wrote: On Jul 26, 2006, at 11:06 AM, keith_w wrote: When I pay for my child to get an education, I do NOT wish that so-caalled education to consist of piling bushels of input on him, so he can sort them out with his

Re: Talk about crap

2006-07-27 Thread Doug Franklin
P. J. Alling wrote: It's even easier today, than ever before. Anyone who wants to spend a few bucks a month can start a web site and publish anything they want. Witness my latest effort, only just getting off the ground: http://SurlyDoug.com -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML

Re: Talk about crap

2006-07-26 Thread frank theriault
On 7/25/06, graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I will defend the guys right to get up on a soap box, or write on the Internet, but I do not think he should be given official sanction or tax payer dollars to do so. Are we required to support every crackpot who wishes to tell us about his

Re: Re: Talk about crap

2006-07-26 Thread DagT
Fra: frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 7/25/06, graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I will defend the guys right to get up on a soap box, or write on the Internet, but I do not think he should be given official sanction or tax payer dollars to do so. Are we required to support every

Re: Talk about crap

2006-07-26 Thread Otis C. Wright, Jr.
frank theriault wrote: On 7/25/06, graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I will defend the guys right to get up on a soap box, or write on the Internet, but I do not think he should be given official sanction or tax payer dollars to do so. Are we required to support every crackpot who wishes to

Re: Talk about crap

2006-07-26 Thread Doug Franklin
Otis C. Wright, Jr. wrote: And it rankles me to hear that academics deserve some special place in the universe. [...] And, I will always defend a tax payer's previledge to offer guidance at to how public funds are spent ... especially at the polls. I'm with you, Otis. -- Thanks, DougF

Re: Talk about crap

2006-07-26 Thread mike wilson
From: DagT [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2006/07/26 Wed PM 12:04:42 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Re: Talk about crap Fra: frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 7/25/06, graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I will defend the guys right to get up on a soap box

Re: Re: Talk about crap

2006-07-26 Thread DagT
Fra: mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: DagT [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2006/07/26 Wed PM 12:04:42 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Re: Talk about crap Fra: frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 7/25/06, graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I

Re: Talk about crap

2006-07-26 Thread pnstenquist
I agree Frank. But you have to draw a line somewhere. Academia has to be a bit selective. An intelligent point of view should be at least a prerequisite. There's a big difference between someone whose views don't coincide with one's own and someone who is spouting utter nonsense. Disparate

Re: Talk about crap

2006-07-26 Thread Steve Desjardins
Hey folks. Learning comes in many different forms. Of course you let this idiot teach. Things like this thrive in dark corners (even on the internet) where they can go unchallenged. In this case this theory is being aired in a public forum where it can be challenged. Most people don't read

Re: Talk about crap

2006-07-26 Thread Norman Baugher
From: Scott Loveless On 7/25/06, Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Norman Baugher wrote: From: Tom C Not to mention that the USSR never doubted it as a fact. Just as I thought!! The USSR was in on the conspiracy... Norm Norm. Yeah, right. Everyone knows Norm is just a figment

Re: Talk about crap

2006-07-26 Thread graywolf
Then you would not object to paying me to teach a course about Perpetual Motion Engineering at the University of Toronto? Or how about a couse about how Jackie had Marilyn murdered because John was going to devorce her and marry Marilyn (which is no where near as far fetched as the 9/11

Re: Talk about crap

2006-07-26 Thread John Forbes
The real question is why they hired such a nincompoop in the first place. Having hired him, they should let him say what he likes. John On Wed, 26 Jul 2006 14:28:39 +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree Frank. But you have to draw a line somewhere. Academia has to be a bit selective.

Re: Talk about crap

2006-07-26 Thread Aaron Reynolds
On Jul 26, 2006, at 10:41 AM, graywolf wrote: Then you would not object to paying me to teach a course about Perpetual Motion Engineering at the University of Toronto? You should see what I'm already paying to have taught at U of T. Sure, if you're an international expert in the field and

Re: Talk about crap

2006-07-26 Thread keith_w
Steve Desjardins wrote: Hey folks. Learning comes in many different forms. Of course you let this idiot teach. Things like this thrive in dark corners (even on the internet) where they can go unchallenged. In this case this theory is being aired in a public forum where it can be

Re: Talk about crap

2006-07-26 Thread David Savage
On 7/26/06, keith_w [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I expect, no demand, that any education I pay for is valid and of use... I hope he's not doing an arts degree then. :-) Dave (I don't have any degree ;-) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

Re: Talk about crap

2006-07-26 Thread Aaron Reynolds
On Jul 26, 2006, at 11:06 AM, keith_w wrote: When I pay for my child to get an education, I do NOT wish that so-caalled education to consist of piling bushels of input on him, so he can sort them out with his unformed and untested mind. Would I be starting a crapalanche if I said

Re: Talk about crap

2006-07-26 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 7/26/2006 7:44:47 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Or how about a couse about how Jackie had Marilyn murdered because John was going to devorce her and marry Marilyn (which is no where near as far fetched as the 9/11 conspiracy stuff)? -- graywolf

Re: Talk about crap

2006-07-26 Thread John Francis
And, of course, for the maths department you need to hire the resident loon on sci.math who claims to have a simple proof of Fermat's last theorem (insert obligatory joke here about the margins of this post being too small to contain the proof). There's a reason why the patent department returns

Re: Talk about crap

2006-07-26 Thread keith_w
Aaron Reynolds wrote: On Jul 26, 2006, at 11:06 AM, keith_w wrote: When I pay for my child to get an education, I do NOT wish that so-called education to consist of piling bushels of input on him, so he can sort them out with his unformed and untested mind. Would I be starting a

Re: Talk about crap

2006-07-26 Thread j
There is a movie out called Was it only a paper moon..Look for it on the web. At 09:06 AM 7/25/06, you wrote: On Jul 25, 2006, at 8:32 AM, Bob Shell wrote: Personally, I don't doubt for a minute that men actually landed on the moon, walked around, drove around, hit golf balls, etc. But

Re: Talk about crap

2006-07-26 Thread Steve Desjardins
Sorry, but this is how education works. You can't say believe what I tell you, Oh untested mind, because I am an expert who knows all while this other idiot is full of crap. You have to explain why that idiot's theories are crap. We don't have a big book on the shelf that says Truth on the

Re: Talk about crap

2006-07-26 Thread frank theriault
On 7/26/06, graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Then you would not object to paying me to teach a course about Perpetual Motion Engineering at the University of Toronto? Or how about a couse about how Jackie had Marilyn murdered because John was going to devorce her and marry Marilyn (which is

RE: Talk about crap

2006-07-26 Thread Bob W
Your psychology professor must have been a Jansenist. My linguistics tutor was deaf, which always struck me as probably a disadvantage for someone in his field. However, now that I too am practically deaf I've started to revise my opinion. -- Cheers, Bob Our universities are more heavily

Re: Talk about crap

2006-07-26 Thread graywolf
But he was correct. All you need is all the facts and a powerful enough computer. Boulders are not capable of self-determination and follow pure physical rules. However, if he was applying that to psychology he was an ass, and you did the correct thing. If you are going to be taught nonsense,

Re: Talk about crap

2006-07-26 Thread frank theriault
On 7/26/06, Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Your psychology professor must have been a Jansenist. snip Or a Calvinist. cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

RE: Talk about crap

2006-07-26 Thread Bob W
PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of graywolf Sent: 26 July 2006 21:18 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Talk about crap But he was correct. All you need is all the facts and a powerful enough computer. Boulders are not capable of self-determination and follow pure

Re: Talk about crap

2006-07-26 Thread frank theriault
On 7/26/06, graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But he was correct. All you need is all the facts and a powerful enough computer. Boulders are not capable of self-determination and follow pure physical rules. Correct! However, if he was applying that to psychology he was an ass, So I

RE: Talk about crap

2006-07-26 Thread Tom C
Darn you Bob! You beat me to it! Tom C. From: Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' pdml@pdml.net Subject: RE: Talk about crap Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 21:26:16 +0100 I've never done this before, so if I get it wrong, please

Re: Talk about crap

2006-07-26 Thread Keith McGuinness
frank theriault wrote: On 7/25/06, graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I will defend the guys right to get up on a soap box, or write on the Internet, but I do not think he should be given official sanction or tax payer dollars to do so. Are we required to support every crackpot who wishes to

Re: Talk about crap

2006-07-26 Thread keith_w
Steve Desjardins wrote: Sorry, but this is how education works. You can't say believe what I tell you, Oh untested mind, because I am an expert who knows all while this other idiot is full of crap. You have to explain why that idiot's theories are crap. That's for post grad school. When

Re: Talk about crap

2006-07-26 Thread John Forbes
On Wed, 26 Jul 2006 17:30:37 +0100, John Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And, of course, for the maths department you need to hire the resident loon on sci.math who claims to have a simple proof of Fermat's last theorem (insert obligatory joke here about the margins of this post being too

Re: Talk about crap

2006-07-26 Thread Aaron Reynolds
On Jul 26, 2006, at 5:27 PM, Keith McGuinness wrote: I don't feel that my academic freedom would be infringed in the least if he got the boot. Keith, you wouldn't feel that your academic freedom would be infringed if a professor were booted without an examination of the material or even a

Re: Talk about crap

2006-07-26 Thread DagT
Den 26. jul. 2006 kl. 23.49 skrev John Forbes: On Wed, 26 Jul 2006 17:30:37 +0100, John Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And, of course, for the maths department you need to hire the resident loon on sci.math who claims to have a simple proof of Fermat's last theorem (insert

Re: Talk about crap

2006-07-26 Thread Tom C
Keith Whaley wrote: No, neither are we expected to discern what any given truth is, when our analyzing skills are so under-developed. That's what we're in university for. To develop ways ~ tools ~ for separating the wheat from the chaff... Ways to tell who the liar is, who the ignorant one is.

Re: Talk about crap

2006-07-26 Thread Tom C
I saw him on televison Aaron. The claims came from his own mouth. He was not teaching the class how to discern truth from falsehood. Tom C. From: Aaron Reynolds [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Talk

Re: Talk about crap

2006-07-26 Thread Aaron Reynolds
And what were they? The article is very vague. -Aaron -Original Message- From: Tom C [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subj: Re: Talk about crap Date: Wed Jul 26, 2006 6:33 pm Size: 1K To: pdml@pdml.net I saw him on televison Aaron. The claims came from his own mouth. He was not teaching

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