Re: Stochastic photography

2010-11-24 Thread John Sessoms
From: Doug Franklin On 2010-11-21 21:44, Walter Gilbert wrote: Well, no wonder you went over my head the first time. :-D When I read your reply, I immediately googled Brownian Photography to see what you were talking about, and it brought up several links to stock photos of brownian

Re: Stochastic photography

2010-11-23 Thread Boris Liberman
It is good to be understood correctly... On 11/22/2010 7:06 PM, Walter Gilbert wrote: Believe me, I don't think you're being patronizing in the least, Boris. In fact, I really appreciate your taking the time to help me address my concerns. Questions like these are stifling for me, and the

Re: Stochastic photography

2010-11-22 Thread Doug Franklin
On 2010-11-21 21:44, Walter Gilbert wrote: Well, no wonder you went over my head the first time. :-D When I read your reply, I immediately googled Brownian Photography to see what you were talking about, and it brought up several links to stock photos of brownian movement: http://is.gd/hyUfu

Re: Stochastic photography

2010-11-22 Thread Theodore Beilby
For the past couple of days, I seem to keep encountering references to stochastic photography -- or spray and pray if you will, and it's piqued my interest. It's not that I'm considering actively pursuing the practice so much as I wonder how much my current style (method?) could actually

Re: Stochastic photography

2010-11-22 Thread Jeffery Smith
, but that doesn't mean I can salvage the blown highlights. Jeffery On Nov 21, 2010, at 7:33 PM, Walter Gilbert wrote: Hi all, For the past couple of days, I seem to keep encountering references to stochastic photography -- or spray and pray if you will, and it's piqued my interest. It's

Re: Stochastic photography

2010-11-22 Thread Boris Liberman
On 11/22/2010 3:33 AM, Walter Gilbert wrote: So, I was just curious as to the thoughts of the folks on the list as to how much my approach would be considered spray and pray by more seasoned photographers, and how much it would benefit if it were less so. Thanks for any input anyone has to

Re: Stochastic photography

2010-11-22 Thread Walter Gilbert
Thanks, Ted. I agree with you wholeheartedly. And, that's why I have this little twinge of guilt for not using a tripod more often. I know it ends up producing better photos, and forces you to be more deliberative in your composition. And, yet ... when I shoot off a tripod, you might as

Re: Stochastic photography

2010-11-22 Thread Walter Gilbert
Thanks, Boris. I completely agree with your view that these are all individual traits in the photographer. I just can't help wondering if I'm limiting myself by leaning too much on what I'm inclined to do with the camera, instead of making more of an effort to break away from my habits.

Re: Stochastic photography

2010-11-22 Thread Boris Liberman
On 11/22/2010 6:41 PM, Walter Gilbert wrote: Thanks, Boris. I completely agree with your view that these are all individual traits in the photographer. I just can't help wondering if I'm limiting myself by leaning too much on what I'm inclined to do with the camera, instead of making more of an

Re: Stochastic photography

2010-11-22 Thread Walter Gilbert
Believe me, I don't think you're being patronizing in the least, Boris. In fact, I really appreciate your taking the time to help me address my concerns. Questions like these are stifling for me, and the more help and input I have in hashing them out, the more I can improve. And, the

Re: Stochastic photography

2010-11-22 Thread David Parsons
I don't use a tripod most of the time. For how I shoot, it doesn't really work. Plus, it's a real PITA to carry it around on a walk. If I need some stability, my monopod is always attached to my main camera bag. About the only time I even take it with me is when I'm planning on taking longer

Re: Stochastic photography

2010-11-22 Thread Ken Waller
force yourself to try using the tripod for a period of time and see if it does in fact improve your photography. Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Walter Gilbert ldott...@gmail.com Subject: Re: Stochastic photography Thanks

Re: Stochastic photography

2010-11-22 Thread Walter Gilbert
Thanks, Ken. I plan to do just that, particularly on any landscape or architecture shots in the near future. -- Walt http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/waltergilbert http://waltgilbert.posterous.com/ http://polipix.posterous.com/ Contact Me Facebook

Re: Stochastic photography

2010-11-22 Thread Theodore Beilby
Boris, my photography instructor at Bakersfield College, Bertil Brink, instilled the realization that if you got one good shot per roll, you were doing well. He emphasized previsualization. Ted -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to

RE: Stochastic photography

2010-11-22 Thread Bob W
For the past couple of days, I seem to keep encountering references to stochastic photography -- or spray and pray if you will, and it's piqued my interest. [...] So, I was just curious as to the thoughts of the folks on the list as to how much my approach would be considered spray

Re: Stochastic photography

2010-11-22 Thread DagT
Walt, just a few comments on you post. I started shooting seriously more than 30 years ago and learned a different approach to shooting due to the fact that I was shooting film. Some of the people I go shooting with now would go through a roll of film in a matter of minutes if they

Re: Stochastic photography

2010-11-22 Thread Rob Studdert
On 23 November 2010 07:16, DagT li...@thrane.name wrote: I usually start by walk around or looking at the subject, trying to find out what caught my interest, visualizing how the picture could be, and then start photographing. Even then I tend to take few pictures, sometimes only one. No

Re: Stochastic photography

2010-11-22 Thread Walter Gilbert
Thanks for the input! I think I may have come up with the best option -- a sort of reverse monopod. A 1/4 bolt through a length of lightweight chain. Run the bolt through one end of the chain (making sure the link is smaller than the head of the bolt) -- screw into the camera, step on the

Re: Stochastic photography

2010-11-22 Thread Bob Sullivan
Other alternative is a 'Vise-Grip' pliers with a bolt or two braised onto them. You then put a small ball head on the bolt and the Vise-Grip onto anything. Regards, Bob S. On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 3:16 PM, Walter Gilbert ldott...@gmail.com wrote:  Thanks for the input!  I think I may have come

Re: Stochastic photography

2010-11-22 Thread Walter Gilbert
Great idea! Thanks, Bob! A little rubberized/silicone coating on the Vise-Grips jaws would make them pretty versatile, too. -- Walt http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/waltergilbert http://waltgilbert.posterous.com/ http://polipix.posterous.com/ Contact Me Facebook

Re: Stochastic photography

2010-11-22 Thread Rick Womer
--- On Mon, 11/22/10, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com wrote: Other alternative is a 'Vise-Grip' pliers with a bolt or two braised onto them. Now you're cookin'... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from

Re: Stochastic photography

2010-11-22 Thread Walter Gilbert
On 11/22/2010 9:15 PM, Rick Womer wrote: --- On Mon, 11/22/10, Bob Sullivanrf.sulli...@gmail.com wrote: Other alternative is a 'Vise-Grip' pliers with a bolt or two braised onto them. Now you're cookin'... Agreed. A real-world baste solution if I ever saw one. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss

Re: Stochastic photography

2010-11-22 Thread David Parsons
I use an A clamp from Home Depot. The big green ones already have a hole in the handles. Put a 1/4-20 bolt through the hole with a nut and washer and put your ball head on that. Costs about $2. It's very similar to a Justin Clamp that costs $25. On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 4:28 PM, Bob Sullivan

Stochastic photography

2010-11-21 Thread Walter Gilbert
Hi all, For the past couple of days, I seem to keep encountering references to stochastic photography -- or spray and pray if you will, and it's piqued my interest. It's not that I'm considering actively pursuing the practice so much as I wonder how much my current style (method?) could

Re: Stochastic photography

2010-11-21 Thread Doug Franklin
On 2010-11-21 20:33, Walter Gilbert wrote: Hi all, For the past couple of days, I seem to keep encountering references to stochastic photography -- I prefer to think about it as Brownian. ;-) -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman

Re: Stochastic photography

2010-11-21 Thread David Parsons
references to stochastic photography -- or spray and pray if you will, and it's piqued my interest.  It's not that I'm considering actively pursuing the practice so much as I wonder how much my current style (method?) could actually be considered stochastic.  Having never worked in the vicinity

Re: Stochastic photography

2010-11-21 Thread Jeffery Smith
to use spot metering on a dSLR. The area being spot measured looks great, but that doesn't mean I can salvage the blown highlights. Jeffery On Nov 21, 2010, at 7:33 PM, Walter Gilbert wrote: Hi all, For the past couple of days, I seem to keep encountering references to stochastic

Re: Stochastic photography

2010-11-21 Thread Walter Gilbert
On 11/21/2010 7:59 PM, Doug Franklin wrote: On 2010-11-21 20:33, Walter Gilbert wrote: Hi all, For the past couple of days, I seem to keep encountering references to stochastic photography -- I prefer to think about it as Brownian. ;-) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http

Re: Stochastic photography

2010-11-21 Thread Jeffery Smith
to keep encountering references to stochastic photography -- I prefer to think about it as Brownian. ;-) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow

Re: Stochastic photography

2010-11-21 Thread Walter Gilbert
or 4 carefully considered shots is the antithesis of SP. On Sun, Nov 21, 2010 at 8:33 PM, Walter Gilbertldott...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, For the past couple of days, I seem to keep encountering references to stochastic photography -- or spray and pray if you will, and it's piqued my interest

Re: Stochastic photography

2010-11-21 Thread Doug Franklin
:59 PM, Doug Franklin wrote: On 2010-11-21 20:33, Walter Gilbert wrote: Hi all, For the past couple of days, I seem to keep encountering references to stochastic photography -- I prefer to think about it as Brownian. ;-) -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: Stochastic photography

2010-11-21 Thread Walter Gilbert
Interesting. I suffer from nearly the opposite malady. Using an 8 Gig card, I seem to be overly conscious of taking extra shots. For instance, even though I keep my camera in fast drive mode , if I accidentally take more than one exposure, I invariably and reflexively say, Dammit! and

Re: Stochastic photography

2010-11-21 Thread Nick David Wright
the blown highlights. Jeffery On Nov 21, 2010, at 7:33 PM, Walter Gilbert wrote: Hi all, For the past couple of days, I seem to keep encountering references to stochastic photography -- or spray and pray if you will, and it's piqued my interest.  It's not that I'm considering actively

Re: Stochastic photography

2010-11-21 Thread Walter Gilbert
Well, no wonder you went over my head the first time. :-D When I read your reply, I immediately googled Brownian Photography to see what you were talking about, and it brought up several links to stock photos of brownian movement: http://is.gd/hyUfu Funny, huh? -- Walt

Re: Stochastic photography

2010-11-21 Thread David Parsons
have anything to do with a Stochastic method.  Besides that, 3 or 4 carefully considered shots is the antithesis of SP. On Sun, Nov 21, 2010 at 8:33 PM, Walter Gilbertldott...@gmail.com  wrote:  Hi all, For the past couple of days, I seem to keep encountering references to stochastic

Re: Stochastic photography

2010-11-21 Thread Nick David Wright
Walt, I am, in general, no advocate of spraying-and-praying. In this digital age where we have instant feedback and no perceived cost to the art I think this adds up to laziness. On the other hand, however, I recognize the need to make lots and lots of experiments (and failures) in order to

Re: Stochastic photography

2010-11-21 Thread paul stenquist
to stochastic photography -- or spray and pray if you will, and it's piqued my interest. It's not that I'm considering actively pursuing the practice so much as I wonder how much my current style (method?) could actually be considered stochastic. Having never worked in the vicinity

Re: Stochastic photography

2010-11-21 Thread Nick David Wright
the blown highlights. Jeffery On Nov 21, 2010, at 7:33 PM, Walter Gilbert wrote: Hi all, For the past couple of days, I seem to keep encountering references to stochastic photography -- or spray and pray if you will, and it's piqued my interest.  It's not that I'm considering actively

Re: Stochastic photography

2010-11-21 Thread Walter Gilbert
Thanks, David. That post was where I first read the reference to stochastic photography, but I didn't really have a clue as to what it meant at the time I saw it. It wasn't until today, when I stumbled across the reference in another article that I decided to read up on it a little

Re: Stochastic photography

2010-11-21 Thread Walter Gilbert
That sort of gets at one of the reasons I delete those extra images. Part of the reason I feel like they're wasted shutter actuations is that, dumb as it may sound, the extra shots just don't feel like my shots. Keeping them feels a little like taking a shortcut, and sort of encourages a

Re: Stochastic photography

2010-11-21 Thread paul stenquist
. The area being spot measured looks great, but that doesn't mean I can salvage the blown highlights. Jeffery On Nov 21, 2010, at 7:33 PM, Walter Gilbert wrote: Hi all, For the past couple of days, I seem to keep encountering references to stochastic photography -- or spray and pray

Re: Stochastic photography

2010-11-21 Thread Larry Colen
On Nov 21, 2010, at 5:33 PM, Walter Gilbert wrote: Hi all, For the past couple of days, I seem to keep encountering references to stochastic photography -- or spray and pray if you will, and it's piqued my interest. It's not that I'm considering actively pursuing the practice so much