Hi,
What a great gallery this month! This month I'm happy
to comment on the following images;
My other half, by Paul Jones. Ummm I think that
I am going to save this one for last.
Tom Paxton at the Freight , by John Francis. I
really like the tonal quality of this print. The
grain
Adelheid wrote;
William Johnson: Melancholy Reflection
I like the composition. The girl out of center and
the dark, calm water
behing here. It transports the melancholy quite
nicely. I experimented a bit and
cropped the people in the background and IMHO this
would improve it. It gets
a more
Well, this certainly seems to be one of the more controversial topics
lately. I decided to stop the assigned comments for every PUG entry for
one reason, and this is it: the PUG is apparently a forum for displaying
photos, not for critiquing them, and so commenting on every photo turns
the PUG
On Sun, 6 May 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
My disagreement with the PUG comment process isn't based on the controversy
over Shel's critique. Let me summarize again.
I would also like to point out publically that Shel's comments had
*nothing* to do with the decision to stop commenting on
John, this is a fine photo. It shows a part of Frank's character
quite clearly. The straight ahead look over the glasses and the
slope of Frank's shoulders give this photo a great deal of strength.
However, there are a few small elements in the background that
detract somewhat from the impact
I've messed up some very important landscape shots- I had to take them
about just after noon in blazing sunlight and the resulting images are
ghastly: burnt out highlights with deep shadows.
I showed them to a pro and he recommended I use the Sunny 16 rule
whenever I take photos in bright
There´s no arguing with that (although I could add something in Finnish).
All the best!
Raimo
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Hello Jos,
Do you think with a special electronic circuit in the cable I can obtain 2nd
curtain synchronization ? It would be great as I finally discovered that 2nd
curtain synchronization can be performed on the Z-1 only with a
'sophisticated' dedicated PENTAX flash unit ( such as AF330FTZ /
Hi all,
I don't suppose anyone might have an active link for a copy of the PDF
for the Motor Drive MX ? Much appreciated.
Cheers,
Cotty
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Hello,
In an effort to clean out some of my never or seldom used camera items,
I have the following things to offer the list before I head elsewhere with
them:
* Super Program
* Pentax 135 F3.5 M
* Tamron FA 28-105 F4-5.6 AF
* Pentax FA 28-70 F4 AF
* Pentax F 80-200 F4.7-5.6 AF
Chris, I'm really happy to hear that you haven't been discouraged by the recent debate.
Let's hope that we will find a solution that will be acceptable to most members.
I am only adressing one of your suggestions here.
We'll still have commentators to talk about photos, but only for the
I, for one, think that's an excellent compromise.
I actually couldn't understand those who said that doing the critiques seemed
too much like homework. If so, take your name off the list of
commentators. Why use that as a reason to shut down the whole idea?
My guess is that most of those who
Cool.
Chris Brogden wrote:
Any thoughts on this?
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Didn't someone on this list mention a while back that the Sunny 16 rule
doesn't necessarily apply today due to advances in film emulsion? Or
something like that...
Norm
RK wrote:
I've messed up some very important landscape shots- I had to take them
about just after noon in blazing sunlight
Chris,
I like your new idea and hope you can work it out.
You deserve our thanks for taking on the initial task of coordinating the
critiques. Although trying to figure out what everybody was saying is a pain
in the a__, I do appreciate your effort to try to make us all better
It was strange to read about your experience with Pentax Canada. I've
been there many times (I live fifteen minutes away, and often buy accessories
like SMC filters there) and have always been impressed with the service.
For example: loose zoom ring on FA 28-200 fixed in three days, out of
You only missed the opportunity to state the rules. The only
acceptable solution will be to continue comments with the
following rules:
If you really dislike a picture, or are offended by a picture,
let someone else comment on it. They may love it. There's no
accounting for taste.
If nobody
Hi, Bob,
Sounds just a tad cumbersome, don't you think?
Certainly, randomly assigning a number of photos to those who wish to critique is
the easiest way to do this. Now it seems that you're asking Chris (or whoever
co-ordinates this at any given time) to choose the best or most interesting
Assuming that you are shooting in the same lighting conditions,
double up on your pictures by shooting one using the Sunny 16
rule and another using the meter. The Sunny 16 rule is pretty
accurate. The film makers used to always recommend it (perhaps
paraphrased a bit) when they were still
Hi Norm,
if they did then they were wrong (or at least, nobody's told me about
the change). I can't imagine how film emulsions on their own would
affect this. You'd also have to recalibrate all meters. It may be that
you're getting confused with the fact that meters are calibrated on
18% grey
Len, your message was a response to me.
However, I would just want to be sure, is the deep sarcasm also directed at whatever
views I have expressed on this subject?
Or was it aimed at general opinions that you disagree with?
Lasse
Len P. wrote:
You only missed the opportunity to state the
Hi,
this is not helpful advice. If this is understood to be what's
happening then anybody whose submission is greeted with thunderous
silence is left with the impression that nobody likes their picture,
and nobody will tell him/her what's wrong with it! How useful is that?
Offering only praise
Thanks to all who answered
Jim
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I think my message should have been perfectly clear, when read
in the context of my original post on this topic. Honest
comments (criticism) usually result in resentment directed at
the critics.
Bland, pat on the back, warm hugs types of comments do nothing
to improve performance, they just
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wow, isn't Pentax great?
Illinois Bill
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It was not meant to be helpful advice. As you said, Most
people who submit a good photo know damn well it's a good photo,
so further praise is nothing but another squeeze of the
ego-inflater.
My point is: Why can't we just continue posting our good
photos in the PUG, knowing that they are in the
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Later,
Gary
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I didn't check new prices, only used prices at KEH. If it's too high then
someone can either make me an offer or I'll take it to E-Bay. I would take
less if necessary.
Thanks,
Ed
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From: Gary L. Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Ed Mathews [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday,
On Sun, 6 May 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I still don't think every photo deserves a public comment, or every
contributor who requests a critique deserves a public critique. Maybe only
the best should get a public critique. If 8 or 10 good comment threads
started this way, it could be
On Sun, 6 May 2001, Len Paris wrote:
If you really dislike a picture, or are offended by a picture,
let someone else comment on it. They may love it. There's no
accounting for taste.
I realize that you're speaking sarcastically, but I think you're setting
up a strawman argument to some
On Sun, 6 May 2001, Len Paris wrote:
If honest commentary is unwelcome, then why bother to have
public commentary at all?
Do you think that honest commentary can only be phrased in a rude and
confrontational manner? I've noticed that honest comments phrased
constructively go over very well
On Sun, 6 May 2001, Lasse Karlsson wrote:
I may be wrong, but I assumed that most submitters would like to get
comments. (That is if we clearly keep it to friendly general
impressions and suggestions on what can be improved upon. (All of a
sudden it has evolved into a discussion on critique
Bob Walkden wrote some intelligent comments.
I'd like to respond 'in-line' to these (see below).
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
This raises the question: what is the PUG for?
If people treat it as an exhibition gallery then you're quite right,
people should behave as though they were hanging
This is a link to a series of arrest photographs of the same
individual over the course of 10 years. She was about 31~32 years
old at the time of the first photo. It's not a pleasant series of
photos.
http://www.hollywoodpolice.org/VIN_CAT/pic79_11.htm
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At 03:30 PM 05/06/2001 -0400, you wrote:
Acouple of years ago, I shot a roll of negative film with a camera
(Akarelle) I bought at a flea market, for $15 CDN.
I used the exposure sheet supplied with the film for my exposure reference.
The prints came out properly exposed (a real shocker).
There's
I agree too.
Fairy.
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Hi all
With all the discussion about regarding the critiquing of photographs on
the PUG, I thought I'd share why I submit photographs to the PUG.
More than most on this list have been into photography a lot longer than I.
More than most, I'd consider, are better photographers than I. I can
Hi Bob:
The Sunny-16 rule came about long and long ago, before the
manufactures removed the the safety factor of about one stop
that they used in rating the films. That is, film went from
200ASA to 400ASA without any change in the emulsion. This
happened back in the late fifties. For best
I finally discovered that 2nd
curtain synchronization can be performed on the Z-1 only with a
'sophisticated' dedicated PENTAX flash unit ( such as AF330FTZ /
AF400FTZ /
AF240FT).
Uh, well, a 'sophisticated' PENTAX-dedicated flash unit is what you need.
Your choice also includes flashes
Hi folks,
Just a quick note to say adios! For those of you that don't know, we are
moving house over the next couple of weeks and my hubby has already left to
start his job in our new town (which is 15 hours drive away), so guess who
is left to do all the packing/moving/cleaning etc. while still
On Mon, 7 May 2001 09:44:57 +1000, Tanya Russell Mayer wrote:
So please feel free to email me off-list to stay in touch, but I will only
be checking my email once every couple of days, so please don't be annoyed
if immediate replies aren't forthcoming. I will lurk around PDML until
tonight if
Because I am currently overwhelmed with work, I hurried through the PUG
and, quite frankly, had not given your photograph the time or attention
it deserves. Shel's comments directed me to it, and upon further
scrutiny, I found it very compelling. There is a rather vivid sensual
tone to the image.
This has become utter nonsense. The comments were valid. They were well
received. It is very bizarre that we would expend so much time and
energy debating this issue. Leave well enough alone.
Paul
Chris Brogden wrote:
On Sun, 6 May 2001, Lasse Karlsson wrote:
( I F we decide on any form
In a message dated 06/05/01 21:37:20 GMT Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Acouple of years ago, I shot a roll of negative film with a camera
(Akarelle) I bought at a flea market, for $15 CDN.
Isn't that a basic 6x6 slr? Also known in UK as the Agiflex?
Kind regards
Peter
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Thank you for setting me straight. Have a nice day.
-frank
Len Paris wrote:
Are you visually impaired? Have you seen me participating? I
have been explaining why I do not participate but I guess I've
just been way too subtle for you.
I don't participate in things like this because
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Later,
Gary
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Dangit...i wish i'd have read this a little earlier.
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I have a fairly similar introductoin into photography. I used to not take
photographs much at all. I then began dating my significant other who has
some obsession with scrapbooks, so a camera became a regular third wheel in
the relationship. It only took about $15 of my own money into
Unfortunately, my approach to photography is purely casual and non artistic
(I have a lousy eye for art).
My first 2 cameras were totally manual and lacked metering. They were Exa II
and Miranda G. I had lots of fun experimenting with exposure both BW and
reversal films.
My brain developed a
Ditto! Thanks for all you do!
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From: Lasse Karlsson [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2001 7:50 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject:Re: PUG Comments (NEW IDEA)
Chris, I'm really happy to hear that you haven't been discouraged by the
Not bad advice but bracket until you are comfortable with your camera and film. I'm
currently reading a book on light which recommends taking a week or so and force
yourself to learn to judge with your eye sunny sixteen corrections. Some rare shots
just can't be metered. That's when it pays
Just a note on Sunny 16 by the way. I've heard in the past that to shoot the moon use
sunny 16. Makes sense since the moon is directly lit by the sun. I tried it the
other day. When I picked up the pictures the lady at the lab had a fit at how good
they turned out. Thought maybe somebody
Hey guy's,
A link below I picked up off /. today. I've read about the RGB
projection of BW negatives before and here's a modern printing of some of
those early samples. Of course to print they had to use a computer. That's
why this would show up on /.. Some of these prints are amazing. You
Paul S. wrote:
Because I am currently overwhelmed with work, I hurried through the PUG
and, quite frankly, had not given your photograph the time or attention
it deserves. Shel's comments directed me to it, and upon further
scrutiny, I found it very compelling. There is a rather vivid sensual
Douglas E. H. wrote:
Hey guy's,
A link below I picked up off /. today. I've read about the RGB
projection of BW negatives before and here's a modern printing of some of
those early samples. Of course to print they had to use a computer. That's
why this would show up on /.. Some of these
At 11:26 PM -0600 4/25/01, aimcompute wrote:
http://www.sec.noaa.gov/ has some links... I'll let you discover them... it
has both north south polar aurora plots based on satellite observations
and current space weather.
You may also try a search on space weather or aurora sites. I subscribed
At 11:20 PM -0600 4/25/01, aimcompute wrote:
Thanks Steve. Well from the looks of things you may get some great images!
I'd love to see them. The longer exposure ones will be better I'm sure. For
me, this is one of the most exciting things I've ever done
photography-wise... still on cloud-9
On 4 May 2001, at 13:58, XOSNI wrote:
I have a problem in my portraits: blinking eyes. I shoot in my mini studio
using a strobe flashes. The camera is pentax 6x7 with flash synchro speed
of 1/30. Why do I always get these blinking eyes? It has to be a
multifactorial cause, the relatively
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