-Original Message-
From: Boris Liberman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
My measly ZX-L can do fast flash sync (as fast as 1/4000
sec), so can MZ-S. Naturally *Ist cannot do it, even with 360
flash unit.
Are you sure the *Ist cannot do it? What do you base this on? They
quote a
According to Jessops in the UK the fast sync works on the *ist as well.
On Tuesday 18 February 2003 17:13, Rob Brigham wrote:
-Original Message-
From: Boris Liberman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
My measly ZX-L can do fast flash sync (as fast as 1/4000
sec), so can MZ-S. Naturally
I don't think any manufacturer in the U.S. has made any mercury filled
thermometers for quite a while. It's probably an Environmental
Protection Agency thing.
That may well slop over to any other industrial product, such as
mercury switches.
Thing is, once mercury gets into the environment, it
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From: Keith Whaley [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 2:25 PM
Subject: Re: *ist complete specifications
I don't think any manufacturer in the U.S. has made any mercury filled
thermometers for quite a while. It's probably
I've seen them for sale. Manufacture is probably restricted in some way.
At 01:26 PM 2/21/2003 +1000, you wrote:
I don't think so, mercury switches are probably banned here in North
America.
North of the Rio Grande at least.
Mercury thermometers too?
Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel
On Friday, February 21, 2003, at 07:29 PM, Peter Alling wrote:
I've seen them for sale. Manufacture is probably restricted in some
way.
At 01:26 PM 2/21/2003 +1000, you wrote:
I don't think so, mercury switches are probably banned here in
North America.
North of the Rio Grande at least.
I think they're trying to get rid of them. e.g. In Hudson County, NJ,
residents can bring their mercury-based fever thermometers to the
municipal recycling program and exchange them for electronic ones.
On Friday, February 21, 2003, at 08:29 PM, Peter Alling wrote:
I've seen them for sale.
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From: Paul Franklin Stregevsky [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: *ist complete specifications
I don't know, but Nikon's F5 also knows when it's being held vertically.
Imagine a small orb, its interior covered with a pattern of electrical
(optical?) sensors. A second
:
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From: Paul Franklin Stregevsky [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: *ist complete specifications
I don't know, but Nikon's F5 also knows when it's being held vertically.
Imagine a small orb, its interior covered with a pattern of electrical
(optical?) sensors. A second, smaller
On 20 Feb 2003 at 3:14, Keith Whaley wrote:
Navigation systems use gyros that do that, but the inner 'orb' has to
be 'spun up' (accelerated to some rotational speed) for it to work
properly. That requires more $ophi$tication and power than I would
imagine Nikon wants to fuss with.
MHO,
I don't think so, mercury switches are probably banned here in North America.
North of the Rio Grande at least.
At 10:28 PM 2/20/2003 +1000, you wrote:
On 20 Feb 2003 at 3:14, Keith Whaley wrote:
Navigation systems use gyros that do that, but the inner 'orb' has to
be 'spun up' (accelerated
I don't think so, mercury switches are probably banned here in North America.
North of the Rio Grande at least.
Mercury thermometers too?
Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT) +10 Hours
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications.html
On 20 Feb 2003 at 4:04, Keith Whaley wrote:
But I got to wondering, why would a camera need to know the orientation?
Well in the case of a any camera it may be used to weight the metering, and in
the case of a digital camera it can be used by the image processing algorithms
to set the
The perfect camera body is 20 ounces and...well, gosh, just the size of the
LX.
g
C'mon, Mike, it's ;-) ...
Fred
* * *
* * * * *
* * *
11 AF sensors, does anyone know the distribution?
on 19.02.03 12:38, Dario Bonazza 2 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
* * *
* * * * *
* * *
11 AF sensors, does anyone know the distribution?
On your diagram it looks like one sensor is unneccesary :-) Maybe it would
be better that way:
*
*
* * * * * * * *
*
*
or maybe:
The perfect camera body is 20 ounces and...well, gosh, just the size of the
LX.
g
C'mon, Mike, it's ;-) ...
Fred,
Sorry! ;-)
--Mike
On Tue, 18 Feb 2003, Gary L. Murphy wrote:
What the heck..?
A typo?
No typo, Cotty. Just a 43mm Limited from a shady dealer :-)
Oh, you want the *Pentax* version? Well, that costs $80 extra. Grey
market of course, so no lens caps or manual. Or box. We can include
those for a
On Tue, 18 Feb 2003, Mike Johnston wrote:
The F80 (N80) is one of the best-designed, best-handling bodies on the
current market IMHO. Give it an F100 viewfinder and just a touch less
shutter lag, and nobody else's camera could touch it.
Add a touch faster continuous shooting. I love the F80,
The perfect camera body is 20 ounces and...well, gosh, just the size of the
LX.
g
C'mon, Mike, it's ;-) ...
Fred, Sorry! ;-)
That's better !!! Now, just keep practicing...
;-)
Fred
Add a touch faster continuous shooting. I love the F80, but I've seen
quite a few people go with the Elan 7 just for the minor difference in
fps.
Chris,
You're kidding. What's the difference?
--Mike
On Wed, 19 Feb 2003, Mike Johnston wrote:
Add a touch faster continuous shooting. I love the F80, but I've seen
quite a few people go with the Elan 7 just for the minor difference in
fps.
Chris,
You're kidding. What's the difference?
--Mike
F80 is 2.5 fps; Elan 7 is 4 fps (drops to
the Nikon.
Either one though is a good camera.
Cheers,
Dave
Original Message:
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From: Mike Johnston [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 12:40:41 -0600
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: N80 / Elan 7, WAS: *ist complete specifications
Add a touch faster continuous shooting. I love
F80 is 2.5 fps; Elan 7 is 4 fps (drops to 3.5 fps in servo AF mode, I
think).
chris
IMO, fps is the most over rated feature of any camera. C'mon now, how many
of us really use it? I'd wager that less than 1% of users seldom, if ever
use it.
Bill
On Wednesday 19 February 2003 14:28, Bill Owens wrote:
F80 is 2.5 fps; Elan 7 is 4 fps (drops to 3.5 fps in servo AF mode, I
think).
chris
IMO, fps is the most over rated feature of any camera. C'mon now, how many
of us really use it? I'd wager that less than 1% of users seldom, if
The Canon probably has faster AF when coupled with USM lenses (common
for Canon lenses, not for Nikon lenses). A result of the N80's small
size, as compared to the F100, is the smaller, slower AF motor. AF
systems that have the AF motor in the camera body pay a speed penalty
with a tiny body:
Chris Brogden wrote:
Oh, you want the *Pentax* version? Well, that costs $80 extra. Grey
market of course, so no lens caps or manual. Or box. We can include
those for a nominal charge of $60. We sell our own warranty for just $120
more, so you're covered as long as we remain in business.
IMO, fps is the most over rated feature of any camera. C'mon now, how many
of us really use it? I'd wager that less than 1% of users seldom, if ever
use it.
Bill
Motorsports. You have no idea how much I want a motor LX. The winder LX is
just not fast enough!
Other than that I
There are some shots you can get with experience, and some that you need
a fast motor drive to get consistently. To get balls coming off tennis
racket faces, or baseballs off bats (and not just in the frame) you need
more than just good timing. There are few sports today that you can get
* * *
* * * * *
* * *
Vertical shots in mind? If so, how will the camera know you're going vertical?
Andre
--
It's not just fps. It's also how fast the camera is ready for the next shot.
Doug
shoots pretty slowly anyway
At 03:49 PM 2/19/03, you wrote:
IMO, fps is the most over rated feature of any camera. C'mon now, how many
of us really use it? I'd wager that less than 1% of users seldom, if ever
On Wed, 19 Feb 2003 14:36:56 -0500, Christian Skofteland wrote:
Motorsports. You have no idea how much I want a motor LX. The winder LX is
just not fast enough!
Other than that I don't need it.
Can I get an AMEN?!
MEN!
And a Motor Drive MZ-S would be nice, too. :-|
Even then I
Andre Langevin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Vertical shots in mind? If so, how will the camera know you're going
vertical?
I don't know, but Nikon's F5 also knows when it's being held vertically.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
I agree with Pål in finding it rather ugly, certainly not stylish.
To me, it recalls an APS SLR (do you remember the Pronea?), and that's not
so good news. I do hope the DSLR will be different, but I'm afraid it won't.
Time to switch to serious stuff?
Bye,
Dario Bonazza
My MZ-S is outdating fast.
Quite a specification for an entry-level SLR...
*ist Specifications
Usable Lenses:
PENTAX KAF2- (power zoom not available)
A hint for KAF3?
Viewfinder:
Type: Fixed molded penta-mirror type
Oh.. too bad the coming D-SLR is likely also penta-mirror.
on 18.02.03 17:26, Iren Henry Chu at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
My MZ-S is outdating fast.
Whatever you buy it will be outdated fast - that's the price of
technological evolution :-)
But the press release does not mention anything about mirror lockup nor
support to P-TTL and high speed sync?
-Original Message-
From: Iren Henry Chu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
My MZ-S is outdating fast.
Don't tell Dobo!!
Usable Lenses:
PENTAX KAF2- (power zoom not available)
A hint for KAF3?
Doubt it, PZ is not available on most MZ bodies...
Viewfinder:
Type: Fixed molded
on 18.02.03 17:30, Rob Brigham at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Stunning - superimposed AF display! This is the first in
Pentax AF cameras!
But I think it makes the viewfinder dimmer by placing more elements in
the path. Personally I only want centre point and could life without
any of this.
Dario wrote:
I agree with Pål in finding it rather ugly, certainly not stylish.
To me, it recalls an APS SLR (do you remember the Pronea?), and that's not
so good news. I do hope the DSLR will be different, but I'm afraid it won't.
The main problem, apart from the fact that I find it ugly,
Hi!
IHC My MZ-S is outdating fast.
Hold your horses (is it polite?) bg...
My measly ZX-L can do fast flash sync (as fast as 1/4000 sec), so can
MZ-S. Naturally *Ist cannot do it, even with 360 flash unit.
Field of view: 90% vertivally/horizontally
IHC A step-back from the MZ-Series which
Hi Pål,
on 18 Feb 03 you wrote in pentax.list:
The above makes sense but I have (undisclosed) reasons to assume that
the Ist is indeed entry level. Which, in my opinion, is a good thing.
I second that because it is the only reason to releasr it with theese
entry level FAJ lenses.
Cheers,
Bruce wrote:
I agree that it is a mid level camera: lots of features in a very small
package. Its price will determine which other cameras it gets compared
to. If it sells in the same price range as the Rebel 2000, Maxxum 5 and
Nikon N75, it will be a good thing.
I've been told it
From: Sylwester Pietrzyk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I doubt it. It seems like a MZ-6 succesor. So I would expect MZ-5N/MZ-3
successor and MZ-S too as a crown of new line. *ist will fight with
EOS-300V and Dynax 5, but I would expect something between this and
high-end
model, for advanced amateurs. And
Pål wrote:
PJI think it spell good for the serious stuff
PJ I'm sure to come. With so much new stuff at the entry level
PJ theres all reason to be optimistic.
While the AF subsystem looks impressive, I'm terribly disappointed
by the viewfinder. At 0.7x magnification manual focusing must be
Artur wrote:
You mean any later camera will be above the *Ist?
At least they won't be below it :o)
That would mean to me that Pentax is heading for the pro market...
I think the connoisseur market is more likely...
It is no secret that I'm still waiting for the flagship :o)
The cryptic info
HI!
Let's see: 16 segment metering and 11 point autofocus. Both are
completely new for Pentax. Let me ask you (rhetorically of course :)
), how many bugs are hidden in the newest SAVOX VIII firmware? What
about new measuring algorithm?
On the good side though, if *Ist is an entry level camera,
Alin Flaider said:
As for the look, I find the design ...interesting. It seems Pentax
maximized the use of the volume just as they did with the MZ-S. I
Technically, it seems very promising for future higher-end cameras. But
they sure seemed to put a lot of effort and bragging into
wrote:
DB2 AF Frame: 11 Focusing frame with superimposed display
Now I see why they had to bring the viewfinder magnification down
to 0.7. The superimposed LCD over the viewfinder must account for
more light loss than the semi-transparent mirror. Even so, I doubt
the smaller area
On the good side though, if *Ist is an entry level camera, then
obviously 1/4000 sec shutter becomes a standard which is rather
pleasing for number hungry folk...
I think just by the expected $400 price it's fair to say the *ist is not
entry-level. The standard for entry-level SLRs these days
I guess I missed where it says that it won't work with K/M lenses...could
somebody point it out?
Cory
- Original Message -
From: Alin Flaider [EMAIL PROTECTED]
That and the lack of K/M lenses compatibility makes this camera
incompatible with me. :o(
Servus, Alin
If the MSRP is ~$400.00, street price should be in the neighborhood of
$300.00
Bill
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From: Mike Johnston [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 4:03 PM
Subject: Re: *ist complete specifications
On the good side though, if *Ist
I'll let you and Pal duke it out over where this camera fits in, but I
would note that no entry level SLR (of the Big 3.7) has a metal lens
mount, like this one does.
BR
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I think just by the expected $400 price it's fair to say the *ist is not
entry-level. The standard
On Tuesday, Feb 18, 2003, at 17:38 Europe/Warsaw, Boris Liberman wrote:
Hold your horses (is it polite?) bg...
My measly ZX-L can do fast flash sync (as fast as 1/4000 sec), so can
MZ-S. Naturally *Ist cannot do it, even with 360 flash unit.
I don't think so - if it can do wireless flash, it
On Tuesday, Feb 18, 2003, at 17:50 Europe/Warsaw, Rob Brigham wrote:
My mistake - that's a relief!
I actually think I would prefer an mz-6 to this, unless I wanted to
retain a common interface with a digital. Mind you, I have the Mz-S
and
MZ-30, and while I would buy an ist or a 6 rather
On Tuesday, Feb 18, 2003, at 18:51 Europe/Warsaw, Artur Ledóchowski
wrote:
You mean any later camera will be above the *Ist?
That would mean to me that Pentax is heading for the pro market...
Or rather that you will get more for your bucks :-)
Regards
Sylwek
On Tuesday, Feb 18, 2003, at 19:09 Europe/Warsaw, wojtek wrote:
So what now about MZ-S is the MZ-Sn coming soon, at PMA ?? Comparing
spec
of *Ist (AF!!!, 0.3EV bracketing) and Mz-S this cameras are close, the
main
adventage of MZ-S is metal body. But It looks like Ist has best
AF,mettering,
On Tuesday, Feb 18, 2003, at 18:52 Europe/Warsaw, Artur Ledóchowski
wrote:
Actually I prefer my Z-1p to the *Ist:)))
But I'm sure my wife will like the new camera:)
Yeah! With such a small size and weight it will really appeal to
ladies. I must admit that I saw quite many women with Pentax
-Original Message-
From: Mike Johnston [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
(And keep in mind that the viewfinder will be better for
digital than it is for 35mm)
I don't get this? Sure the coverage wil be 'better' because the crop
means that the who digi-image will fit on the finder,
for more anymore...
Now if the MZ-S broke, I would buy another in an instant!
-Original Message-
From: Sylwester Pietrzyk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 18 February 2003 20:55
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: *ist complete specifications
On Tuesday, Feb 18, 2003, at 17:50
As a long time F80 user, I can tell you that the LCD overlay not only
makes it a bit darker, but also not as sharp. Lots of folks complain
about not being able to use MF lenses with the camera, but I don't think
that Nikon did them a favor. If Pentax ever did a F100 grade viewfinder,
just
On Tuesday, Feb 18, 2003, at 22:22 Europe/Warsaw, Rob Brigham wrote:
(And keep in mind that the viewfinder will be better for
digital than it is for 35mm)
I don't get this? Sure the coverage wil be 'better' because the crop
means that the who digi-image will fit on the finder, and some
On Tuesday, Feb 18, 2003, at 22:29 Europe/Warsaw, Rob Brigham wrote:
Sorry, you misunderstand me. I would NEVER get rid of my MZ-S!
When the MZ-6 came out, I wished I had that as my backup body instead
of
the 30. With that I would probably be happier to use it than I am to
use the 30. A
tom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Ok, how do you pronounce it? Star-ist? Is it an attempt to cash in on
the star lenses?
Let's just call it the Tzarist, and hope the Papist is more highly
spec'd.
I'm eagerly awaiting the introduction of what will soon be their best
selling camera ever: the Populist.
Gregory wrote:
Technically, it seems very promising for future higher-end cameras. But
they sure seemed to put a lot of effort and bragging into making it small,
which is something I can't really understand. As long as you have a
typical zoom lens hanging on the front, it hardly matters how
On 18 Feb 2003 at 16:56, Dario Bonazza 2 wrote:
I agree with Pål in finding it rather ugly, certainly not stylish.
To me, it recalls an APS SLR (do you remember the Pronea?), and that's not
so good news. I do hope the DSLR will be different, but I'm afraid it won't.
Time to switch to
It [shutter] also has very low vibration. The N80 is my official
museum camera.
BR
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
And by the way, since I'm always nattering on about noise and quietness, the
N80 shutter is exactly what I think the noise level of an SLR should be.
Mike wrote:
I think just by the expected $400 price it's fair to say the *ist is not
entry-level. The standard for entry-level SLRs these days is $200-$250,
thereabouts.
Are you sure about this? Sources in japan, who are absolutely in a position to know
this, claim it is entry level. Of
Sylwester wrote:
Just good thing? It looks like *ist most advanced SLR in its class
today! And it is very good thing! Especially for Pentax sales.
If this camera is going to sell well, of which I'm not convinced, it is going to sell
well due to its size, not its features. Frankly, most
On Wed, 19 Feb 2003 08:55:34 +1000, Rob Studdert wrote:
Looks like more Pentax gear will hit eBay :-(
Cool, and at current prices, I'm going to love picking up all those bargains... :-)
Later,
Gary
On Tue, 18 Feb 2003 15:27:42 -0500, Bruce Rubenstein wrote:
If Pentax ever did a F100 grade viewfinder, just about all of you folks would be happy.
Gary L. Murphy wrote:
I doubt it.
I think it is within the realm of possibility for all PDMLers to be
happy. But they will
- Original Message -
From: Pål Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: *ist complete specifications
If this camera is going to sell well, of which I'm not convinced, it is
going to sell well due to its size, not its features. Frankly, most people
don't care about the specification as long
On 18 Feb 2003 at 16:11, Gary L. Murphy wrote:
On Wed, 19 Feb 2003 08:55:34 +1000, Rob Studdert wrote:
Looks like more Pentax gear will hit eBay :-(
Cool, and at current prices, I'm going to love picking up all those bargains...
:-)
As a seller 645 prices hoover but the premium 35mm gear
On Tue, 18 Feb 2003 15:23:04 -0600, Mike Johnston wrote:
Anybody know offhand what the MZ-S weighs?
It weighs exactly what my hand wants it to, especially with the FA*
200/2.8 hanging on the front. :-)
TTYL, DougF KG4LMZ
It will be interesting to see if the AF of the DSLR is better than
D60/30/100 models watered down affairs...
It will be hard for it not to be! I speak from experience.
Cotty
Oh, swipe me! He paints with light!
http://www.macads.co.uk/snaps/
This is what I need now I guess:
http://www.bwayphoto.com/product.asp?id=pnfa43
What the heck..?
A typo?
Oh, swipe me! He paints with light!
http://www.macads.co.uk/snaps/
Free UK Macintosh Classified Ads at
Cotty wrote:
http://www.bwayphoto.com/product.asp?id=pnfa43
What the heck..?
A typo?
No typo, Cotty. Just a 43mm Limited from a shady dealer :-)
---
Later,
Gary
The MZ-S weighs 600 grams without lens or film, but with strap and batteries
(2 x CR2).
How do I know this? I wanted to check it against my newly-acquired SV,
which felt like about 3 times heavier, but actually weighs 750 grams with
clip-on meter and no lens.
John Coyle
Brisbane, Australia
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My MZ-S is outdating fast.
Whatever you buy it will be outdated fast - that's the price of
technological evolution :-)
a saying borrowed from the computer industry. if you can actually obtain
it, it is by definition out of date.
Herb
It [shutter] also has very low vibration. The N80 is my official
museum camera.
BR
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
And by the way, since I'm always nattering on about noise and quietness, the
N80 shutter is exactly what I think the noise level of an SLR should be.
I probably would have
Mike Johnston wrote:
A Nikon 43mm Limited isn't a typo? Look again. s
Damn, did it say Nikon? Guess we see what we want too, eh? :-) It's
been a LONG day.
--
Later,
Gary
Dear all,
My mistake - that's a relief!
I actually think I would prefer an mz-6 to this, unless I wanted to
retain a common interface with a digital. Mind you, I have the Mz-S and
MZ-30, and while I would buy an ist or a 6 rather than the 30 today, I
don't think I will buy another film
On Tuesday, Feb 18, 2003, at 17:45 Europe/Warsaw, Pål Jensen wrote:
I think *lst is the mid model. There will be one future model above
it
(MZ-S equivalent) and one simpler cheaper model below it (MZ-60
replacement)
The above makes sense but I have (undisclosed) reasons to assume that
the
Technically, it seems very promising for future higher-end cameras. But
they sure seemed to put a lot of effort and bragging into making it small,
which is something I can't really understand. As long as you have a
typical zoom lens hanging on the front, it hardly matters how big the body
Dear all,
You mean any later camera will be above the *Ist?
That would mean to me that Pentax is heading for the pro market...
Or rather that you will get more for your bucks :-)
Regards
Sylwek
We are talking about *ist as the counterpart of Nikon F75, Canon EOS300V
(Kiss)and Minolta
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