RE: Hurrah for Shel Disrobing the Emperor

2005-04-20 Thread Paul Ewins
Actually, to be fair the reason that the GTO isn't selling well is that it isn't flashy enough, hence the redundant bonnet scoop on the latest model. It seems that US buyers want a car that makes a visual statement (like the new Mustang) rather than something that goes hard and handles well (for a

Re: Re: Hurrah for Shel Disrobing the Emperor

2005-04-20 Thread m.9.wilson
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2005/04/19 Tue PM 11:17:02 GMT To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: Hurrah for Shel Disrobing the Emperor Quoting Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED]: So which Australian engineered cars are superior? and in what way? ;-) The Giacottolo

Re: Hurrah for Shel Disrobing the Emperor

2005-04-20 Thread Paul Stenquist
It's not selling well in the US. In fact, there was an article in the Wall Street Journal yesterday about how GM might pull the plug on the entire Pontiac division. The Pontiac GTO was meant to be a nostalgia car. It needed some reference to the original, but it had to be done in a stylish and

RE: Hurrah for Shel Disrobing the Emperor

2005-04-20 Thread Anthony Farr
-Original Message- From: Paul Stenquist [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] It's not selling well in the US. In fact, there was an article in the Wall Street Journal yesterday about how GM might pull the plug on the entire Pontiac division. The Pontiac GTO was meant to be a nostalgia car. It

Re: Hurrah for Shel Disrobing the Emperor

2005-04-20 Thread Kenneth Waller
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: Hurrah for Shel Disrobing the Emperor Then new Pontiac GTO is a re badged Holden Monaro. Pontiac http://www.pontiac.com/gto/index.jsp Holden http://tinyurl.com/ytmx7 Not saying it's superior. It's just a locally made car that's being exported. Dave S On 4

Re: Hurrah for Shel Disrobing the Emperor

2005-04-20 Thread David Savage
for Shel Disrobing the Emperor Then new Pontiac GTO is a re badged Holden Monaro. Pontiac http://www.pontiac.com/gto/index.jsp Holden http://tinyurl.com/ytmx7 Not saying it's superior. It's just a locally made car that's being exported. Dave S On 4/19/05, Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL

RE: Re: Hurrah for Shel Disrobing the Emperor

2005-04-20 Thread Anthony Farr
Good bullsh*t is when the listener buys it. regards, Anthony Farr -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] About 20 years ago, I was at a presentation by an Aussie working here. It was about his collection of old vehicles. One or two of the slides

RE: Re: Hurrah for Shel Disrobing the Emperor

2005-04-20 Thread Tony Kekalos
Go-ggonot the Dart Chevvie is car of the year down there. He was serious. mike

RE: Hurrah for Shel Disrobing the Emperor

2005-04-20 Thread Anthony Farr
-Original Message- From: Paul Ewins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Actually, to be fair the reason that the GTO isn't selling well is that it isn't flashy enough, hence the redundant bonnet scoop on the latest model. It seems that US buyers want a car that makes a visual statement (like

RE: Hurrah for Shel Disrobing the Emperor

2005-04-20 Thread pnstenquist
This at least has some GTO reference, unlike the Holden gumdrop car they're trying to sell. And don't forget, this is a concept car. A production model would have been far less radical. In any case, they couldn't have failed any worse than they did. The current car is evocative of mid eighties

Re: Hurrah for Shel Disrobing the Emperor

2005-04-20 Thread John Francis
Anthony Farr mused: The damage to Pontiac had already been inflicted by the front-drivers, which muscle car purists apparently hated. Some GTOs ended up with rear wheel drive: http://www.jfwaf.com/temp/GTO.jpg

RE: Hurrah for Shel Disrobing the Emperor

2005-04-20 Thread Anthony Farr
: Re: Hurrah for Shel Disrobing the Emperor Anthony Farr mused: The damage to Pontiac had already been inflicted by the front-drivers, which muscle car purists apparently hated. Some GTOs ended up with rear wheel drive: http://www.jfwaf.com/temp/GTO.jpg

RE: Hurrah for Shel Disrobing the Emperor

2005-04-20 Thread Anthony Farr
Subject: RE: Hurrah for Shel Disrobing the Emperor This at least has some GTO reference, unlike the Holden gumdrop car they're trying to sell. And don't forget, this is a concept car. A production model would have been far less radical. In any case, they couldn't have failed any worse than they did

Re: Hurrah for Shel Disrobing the Emperor

2005-04-20 Thread mike wilson
Anthony Farr wrote: Good bullsh*t is when the listener buys it. regards, Anthony Farr What he meant was that it was virtually an everlasting car. No rust, just weld up the odd split every now and then and keep on keeping on. Because it was/had been so ubiquitous, there was a large pool

Re: Hurrah for Shel Disrobing the Emperor

2005-04-20 Thread Rob Studdert
On 20 Apr 2005 at 22:04, mike wilson wrote: Anthony Farr wrote: Good bullsh*t is when the listener buys it. regards, Anthony Farr What he meant was that it was virtually an everlasting car. No rust, just weld up the odd split every now and then and keep on keeping on.

Re: Hurrah for Shel Disrobing the Emperor

2005-04-20 Thread mike wilson
Rob Studdert wrote: On 20 Apr 2005 at 22:04, mike wilson wrote: Anthony Farr wrote: Good bullsh*t is when the listener buys it. regards, Anthony Farr What he meant was that it was virtually an everlasting car. No rust, just weld up the odd split every now and then and keep on keeping

Re: Re: Hurrah for Shel Disrobing the Emperor

2005-04-20 Thread williamsp
Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]: About 20 years ago, I was at a presentation by an Aussie working here. It was about his collection of old vehicles. One or two of the slides showed, from the air, the rural part of Australia he came from. I always remember the quote: '36 Chevvie is car of the

RE: Hurrah for Shel Disrobing the Emperor

2005-04-20 Thread Anthony Farr
@pdml.net Subject: Re: Hurrah for Shel Disrobing the Emperor Anthony Farr wrote: Good bullsh*t is when the listener buys it. regards, Anthony Farr What he meant was that it was virtually an everlasting car. No rust, just weld up the odd split every now and then and keep on keeping

Re: Hurrah for Shel Disrobing the Emperor

2005-04-20 Thread williamsp
Quoting mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: What he meant was that it was virtually an everlasting car. I don't think I have ever seen a '36 Chev or any other car of that era being used as on or off-road transport, anywhere in the parts of Australia I've visited or lived in. They are all

Re: Hurrah for Shel Disrobing the Emperor

2005-04-20 Thread Rob Studdert
On 21 Apr 2005 at 11:01, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quoting mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: What he meant was that it was virtually an everlasting car. I don't think I have ever seen a '36 Chev or any other car of that era being used as on or off-road transport, anywhere in the parts

Re: Hurrah for Shel Disrobing the Emperor

2005-04-19 Thread mike wilson
Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: On Apr 18, 2005, at 5:01 PM, William Robb wrote: Thats because we talk about beer and Scotch and now, it seems, badly engineered automobiles as well. Which badly engineered automobiles might you be referring to, eh? Italian ones. Mostly, they are superb running and

Re: Hurrah for Shel Disrobing the Emperor

2005-04-19 Thread Cotty
On 18/4/05, Keith Whaley, discombobulated, unleashed: I have a Tilly! Want the serial number? ;-) Model LT-6. Size 7 3/8 (59.5 cm.) LOVE it! Best hat I've ever worn... I simply don't don't believe it. Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|

Re: Hurrah for Shel Disrobing the Emperor

2005-04-19 Thread Bob W
Hi, We just keep electing the same old bunch of crooked bums time after time. The Liberals in Canada have it down to a fine science now. They don't allow blame to enter into it. They just shrug their shoulders and call it business as usual. Over here, when a politician uses lies to lead his

Re: Hurrah for Shel Disrobing the Emperor

2005-04-19 Thread David Mann
On Apr 19, 2005, at 7:28 PM, Bob W wrote: Next time I get done for speeding I shall take that line with the court. That was a long time ago, I shall say. Now it's time to draw a line, and move on. Then they won't be able to fine me or put any more points on my license. After saying that you won't

Re: Hurrah for Shel Disrobing the Emperor

2005-04-19 Thread Keith Whaley
William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: Godfrey DiGiorgi Subject: Re: Hurrah for Shel Disrobing the Emperor On Apr 18, 2005, at 5:01 PM, William Robb wrote: Thats because we talk about beer and Scotch and now, it seems, badly engineered automobiles as well. Which badly

Re: Hurrah for Shel Disrobing the Emperor

2005-04-19 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
Which badly engineered automobiles might you be referring to, eh? Italian and English cars. William Robb So which Australian engineered cars are superior? and in what way? ;-) Godfrey

Re: Hurrah for Shel Disrobing the Emperor

2005-04-19 Thread pnstenquist
Bill is Canadian. The Canadians drive a lot of Japanese cars as well as quite a few of those from just across the river. If memory serves me correctly, Wheatfield terrorizes Regina in a Nissan pickup, a rather well engineered vehicle by any standard. Paul Which badly engineered automobiles

Re: Hurrah for Shel Disrobing the Emperor

2005-04-19 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
Ah, my mistake. I should have asked which cars were engineered by Canadians then, rather than looking for just the superior ones. ]'-) Godfrey On Apr 19, 2005, at 7:49 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bill is Canadian. The Canadians drive a lot of Japanese cars as well as quite a few of those from

Re: Hurrah for Shel Disrobing the Emperor

2005-04-19 Thread pnstenquist
I know you're just having fun with this, but in truth a lot of Canadians commute to Detroit and work for the car companies. What's more, a lot of automotive components are made in Canada. Many of these components are used by automakers worldwide. Canadian goods are well respected and generally

Re: Re: Hurrah for Shel Disrobing the Emperor

2005-04-19 Thread Tom C
The shine has kinda worn of the old istD William Robb Yeah... I'm thinking of trying a 20D out of idle curiousity.

Re: Hurrah for Shel Disrobing the Emperor

2005-04-19 Thread Kenneth Waller
Subject: Re: Hurrah for Shel Disrobing the Emperor I know you're just having fun with this, but in truth a lot of Canadians commute to Detroit and work for the car companies. What's more, a lot of automotive components are made in Canada. Many of these components are used by automakers worldwide

Re: Hurrah for Shel Disrobing the Emperor

2005-04-19 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
I guess that's why we have so many excellent and highly respected Canadian automotive marques, like ___ ... ? Oh well ... returning to photo interests, my favorite Leica rangefinder body, the M4-P, was made in Canada. Godfrey ... Blame Canada! ... On Apr 19, 2005, at 8:40 AM, [EMAIL

Re: Hurrah for Shel Disrobing the Emperor

2005-04-19 Thread Tom Reese
John Forbes quoted and wrote: ' Circumstances seem to me as dangerous and intractable as any I can remember, and I can remember a lot. And: As a nation we are consuming and investing about 6 percent more than we are producing. That was Paul Volcker, former chairman of the Federal Reserve.'

Re: Hurrah for Shel Disrobing the Emperor

2005-04-19 Thread pnstenquist
The US government won't run out of credit. Japan and China will continue to buy dollars because their economies are dependent on US consumers. The dollar will eventually gain strength as interest rates rise. It's cyclical. It's not a big deal. But gnash your teeth and wring your hands if you

Re: Hurrah for Shel Disrobing the Emperor

2005-04-19 Thread John Forbes
Paul, That's all right, then. Thanks for the reassurance. Be a good fellow and tell Paul Volcker, though. Poor chap doesn't know very much about these things, and he'll be glad for you to put him right. John On Tue, 19 Apr 2005 20:41:18 +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The US government

Re: Hurrah for Shel Disrobing the Emperor

2005-04-19 Thread pnstenquist
Read the editorial page in today's Wall Street Journal. Others far more knowledgable than I have already set Volcker straight. The poor chap has a lot of axes to grind. Paul, That's all right, then. Thanks for the reassurance. Be a good fellow and tell Paul Volcker, though. Poor

Re: Hurrah for Shel Disrobing the Emperor

2005-04-19 Thread John Forbes
Do you have a link? John On Tue, 19 Apr 2005 21:02:34 +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Read the editorial page in today's Wall Street Journal. Others far more knowledgable than I have already set Volcker straight. The poor chap has a lot of axes to grind. Paul, That's all right, then. Thanks

Re: Hurrah for Shel Disrobing the Emperor

2005-04-19 Thread Cotty
On 19/4/05, Tom C, discombobulated, unleashed: Yeah... I'm thinking of trying a 20D out of idle curiousity. Joking aside, don't bother. For a little more, get an original 1D. Even at 4MP, it's still streets ahead in terms of performance and usability. Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) |

Re: Hurrah for Shel Disrobing the Emperor

2005-04-19 Thread williamsp
Quoting Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED]: So which Australian engineered cars are superior? and in what way? ;-) The Giacottolo was a slight improvement on the original Alfa it was based on. The Repco/Brabham F1 cars of the sixties were quite successful. The current Ford Territory seems to

Re: Hurrah for Shel Disrobing the Emperor

2005-04-19 Thread williamsp
Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]: What's more, a lot of automotive components are made in Canada. Many of these components are used by automakers worldwide. Indeed the Ford Windsor V8 engines are well respected and in many ways a superior design to the now gone Cleveland series.

Re: Hurrah for Shel Disrobing the Emperor

2005-04-19 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Tom Reese Subject: Re: Hurrah for Shel Disrobing the Emperor The US government will eventually run out of credit. The aftermath will not be pretty. You'll run out of trading partners first. The aftermath will still be pretty ugly. William Robb

Re: Hurrah for Shel Disrobing the Emperor

2005-04-19 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Godfrey DiGiorgi Subject: Re: Hurrah for Shel Disrobing the Emperor Godfrey ... Blame Canada! ... Blame yourself, it's more real that way William Robb

Re: Hurrah for Shel Disrobing the Emperor

2005-04-19 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Godfrey DiGiorgi Subject: Re: Hurrah for Shel Disrobing the Emperor Which badly engineered automobiles might you be referring to, eh? Italian and English cars. William Robb So which Australian engineered cars are superior? and in what way? ;-) Don't know. I'm

Re: Hurrah for Shel Disrobing the Emperor

2005-04-19 Thread Kenneth Waller
Waller - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 7:17 PM Subject: Re: Hurrah for Shel Disrobing the Emperor Quoting Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED]: So which Australian engineered cars are superior? and in what way

Re: Hurrah for Shel Disrobing the Emperor

2005-04-19 Thread pnstenquist
No, sorry. I had a genuine newspaper version. I read it at lunch and then tossed it. The writer was an analyst from one of the top financial firms. Do you have a link? John On Tue, 19 Apr 2005 21:02:34 +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Read the editorial page in today's Wall Street

Re: Hurrah for Shel Disrobing the Emperor

2005-04-19 Thread Mishka
it is completely pointless to talk about automotive marques: is mercedes american or german? how about nissan? bentley? jaguar? crysler? skoda? lamborghini? vw? btw, mercedes m is being made in Hamilton, ON. does that count for a canadian car? mishka On 4/19/05, Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL

Re: Hurrah for Shel Disrobing the Emperor

2005-04-19 Thread Mishka
read editorials? to understand world finance and macroeconomy? you've made my day! why not read an editorial in NY Post? at least that's more fun. mishka On 4/19/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Read the editorial page in today's Wall Street Journal. Others far more

Re: Hurrah for Shel Disrobing the Emperor

2005-04-19 Thread williamsp
Quoting Kenneth Waller [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Although I generally don't care for most of their styling. Neither do I :-) Nor did many other Aussies for the unlamented AU series Falcon. This email was sent from Netspace Webmail:

Re: Hurrah for Shel Disrobing the Emperor

2005-04-19 Thread frank theriault
On 4/19/05, Mishka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: it is completely pointless to talk about automotive marques: is mercedes american or german? how about nissan? bentley? jaguar? crysler? skoda? lamborghini? vw? btw, mercedes m is being made in Hamilton, ON. does that count for a canadian car? Good

Re: Hurrah for Shel Disrobing the Emperor

2005-04-19 Thread David Savage
Then new Pontiac GTO is a re badged Holden Monaro. Pontiac http://www.pontiac.com/gto/index.jsp Holden http://tinyurl.com/ytmx7 Not saying it's superior. It's just a locally made car that's being exported. Dave S On 4/19/05, Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Which badly

Re: Hurrah for Shel Disrobing the Emperor

2005-04-19 Thread Rob Studdert
On 20 Apr 2005 at 11:13, David Savage wrote: Then new Pontiac GTO is a re badged Holden Monaro. Pontiac http://www.pontiac.com/gto/index.jsp Holden http://tinyurl.com/ytmx7 Not saying it's superior. It's just a locally made car that's being exported. Note that it's also much

RE: Hurrah for Shel Disrobing the Emperor

2005-04-19 Thread Anthony Farr
GM's boss fell in love with the Holden Monaro a few years back, went home and told the boys in Pontiac to pull the plug on their new GTO, because they were going to rebadge the Monaro as GTO instead. Apparently the buyer reaction has been quite good, but the 'good ole boys' on Pontiac forums are

Re: Hurrah for Shel Disrobing the Emperor

2005-04-18 Thread mike wilson
Rob Studdert wrote: On 17 Apr 2005 at 21:02, mike wilson wrote: You won't need to, because they just will not come back. Most of the people I know who have digital cameras print less than 1% of their pictures. Once the new model sales dry up - as they will, because most people are happy

Re: Hurrah for Shel Disrobing the Emperor

2005-04-18 Thread John Forbes
On Mon, 18 Apr 2005 08:13:28 +0100, mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Japan is a free market, and their economy hasn't grown for years. I haven't heard anyone say it has collapsed, though. No Japanese are starving, and they haven't declared war. If you want to see a free-market

Re: Hurrah for Shel Disrobing the Emperor

2005-04-18 Thread frank theriault
On 4/17/05, Rob Studdert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know, at the rate people around here upgrade mobile phones for little perceived or actual value it makes me wonder if people now (with too much disposable cash) don't expect to continuously upgrade be it advantageous or not. The

Re: Hurrah for Shel Disrobing the Emperor

2005-04-18 Thread John Forbes
On Mon, 18 Apr 2005 08:56:33 -0400, frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No social pressures? Maybe, but there's PDML peer pressure, and that's much worse! Having decided I must stop buying things off Ebay, I've just noticed an SMCP . I don't know how I'll live if I don't buy it.

Re: Hurrah for Shel Disrobing the Emperor

2005-04-18 Thread Graywolf
Since it is usually cheaper here in the US to get a new cel-phone than to buy a new battery for it we do it about every two years. graywolf http://www.graywolfphoto.com Idiot Proof == Expert Proof --- Rob Studdert wrote: I don't know, at the rate people around here

Re: Hurrah for Shel Disrobing the Emperor

2005-04-18 Thread frank theriault
On 4/18/05, Graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since it is usually cheaper here in the US to get a new cel-phone than to buy a new battery for it we do it about every two years. Tom, It's also the way they're marketed. Here, most plans extend over a year or two, and the base phone is often

Re: Hurrah for Shel Disrobing the Emperor

2005-04-18 Thread Graywolf
That is not the Free Market model, it is the MBA mentality fomented by those nice Ivy League Colleges in the NE US. Send you kids to Yale, destroy your business in ten-twenty years; you know, the one you spent 50 building from nothing. Your stock will soar until suddenly your stock holders

Re: Hurrah for Shel Disrobing the Emperor

2005-04-18 Thread mike wilson
John Forbes wrote: On Mon, 18 Apr 2005 08:13:28 +0100, mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Japan is a free market, and their economy hasn't grown for years. I haven't heard anyone say it has collapsed, though. No Japanese are starving, and they haven't declared war. Japan is a free

Re: Hurrah for Shel Disrobing the Emperor

2005-04-18 Thread Bob W
Hi, We'll do nothing now, but we'll remember these words in about five years time. 1929 will seem like a mild hiccup. That's convenient timing. It'll be seen as Pres. H. Clinton's fault. -- Cheers, Bob

Re: Hurrah for Shel Disrobing the Emperor

2005-04-18 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: frank theriault Subject: Re: Hurrah for Shel Disrobing the Emperor DSLR's are an awful lot more than a couple of hundred, especially if one is upgrading from entry-level. Plus, there simply aren't the social pressures to get the latest and greatest features

Re: Hurrah for Shel Disrobing the Emperor

2005-04-18 Thread John Forbes
Yup. Not sure whether PM Brown will have the luxury of blaming his economic disasters on somebody else though. John On Mon, 18 Apr 2005 18:58:51 +0100, Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, We'll do nothing now, but we'll remember these words in about five years time. 1929 will seem like a mild

Re: Hurrah for Shel Disrobing the Emperor

2005-04-18 Thread Graywolf
I don't know how they are marketed in Canada. Here the price is the same whether you buy a plan with the phone or just pay for it month by month, so you might as well get the new phone and sign up for another year or two. I have gone to a pre-pay plan, but it only saves me money because I am

Re: Hurrah for Shel Disrobing the Emperor

2005-04-18 Thread Cotty
On 18/4/05, William Robb, discombobulated, unleashed: Depends on the mailing list you hang out with. We have it lucky here, there is nothing to upgrade to. I bet the folks over at the Canon list are already poo-pooing last year's digital Rebel as being insufficient for doing quality work. The

Re: Hurrah for Shel Disrobing the Emperor

2005-04-18 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Cotty Subject: Re: Hurrah for Shel Disrobing the Emperor It's perhaps more pragmatic a list, but far less entertaining than this one. Thats because we talk about beer and Scotch and now, it seems, badly engineered automobiles as well. Saves us from

Re: Hurrah for Shel Disrobing the Emperor

2005-04-18 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: John Forbes Subject: Re: Hurrah for Shel Disrobing the Emperor Yup. Not sure whether PM Brown will have the luxury of blaming his economic disasters on somebody else though. We just keep electing the same old bunch of crooked bums time after time

Re: Hurrah for Shel Disrobing the Emperor

2005-04-18 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Apr 18, 2005, at 5:01 PM, William Robb wrote: Thats because we talk about beer and Scotch and now, it seems, badly engineered automobiles as well. Which badly engineered automobiles might you be referring to, eh? Saves us from having to talk about the lack of new gear, and saves us from the

Re: Hurrah for Shel Disrobing the Emperor

2005-04-18 Thread Keith Whaley
Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: On Apr 18, 2005, at 5:01 PM, William Robb wrote: Thats because we talk about beer and Scotch and now, it seems, badly engineered automobiles as well. Which badly engineered automobiles might you be referring to, eh? Saves us from having to talk about the lack of new

Re: Hurrah for Shel Disrobing the Emperor

2005-04-18 Thread frank theriault
On 4/18/05, Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The truth is more interesting. snip No it's not. -frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson

Re: Hurrah for Shel Disrobing the Emperor

2005-04-18 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Godfrey DiGiorgi Subject: Re: Hurrah for Shel Disrobing the Emperor On Apr 18, 2005, at 5:01 PM, William Robb wrote: Thats because we talk about beer and Scotch and now, it seems, badly engineered automobiles as well. Which badly engineered automobiles might

Re: Hurrah for Shel Disrobing the Emperor

2005-04-18 Thread Cesar
I figure I should chime in here... I am extremely happy with my processing lab. I am not in a metropolis. It has nothing to do with the fact that I am considered part of the family - they treat all their customers well. I have some wedding reprints that have a color shift that I am not happy

Re: Re: Hurrah for Shel Disrobing the Emperor

2005-04-17 Thread Jostein
- Original Message - From: Bob Blakely [EMAIL PROTECTED] or possibly Cole's Law (thinly sliced cabbage). LOL. Damn. My turn to spill coffee around the 'puter. :-) Jostein

Re: Hurrah for Shel Disrobing the Emperor

2005-04-17 Thread Paul Stenquist
True enough. So far, those who have expressed confidence in their film processing labs are in LA or San Francisco. We have at least one good pro lab here in Detroit, but, like they're pro clientele, they've gone pretty much over to digital and their film work is now very expensive. The mini

Re: Hurrah for Shel Disrobing the Emperor

2005-04-17 Thread Paul Stenquist
On Apr 17, 2005, at 12:26 AM, Bob Blakely wrote: I feel your pain. Been there. Got the high blood pressure to prove it. I guess I am lucky. But then, someone, somewhere in the big cities does good work, or all the pros who use film would also be screaming. Both of them are complaining about the

Re: Re: Hurrah for Shel Disrobing the Emperor

2005-04-17 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Re: Hurrah for Shel Disrobing the Emperor In mind, maybe. But when it gets to going to the shop with the card (do you have more than one?) and talking to the man about all that technical crap and then the prints come back

Re: Hurrah for Shel Disrobing the Emperor

2005-04-17 Thread Graywolf
Thank you, Bob! I needed that laugh. graywolf http://www.graywolfphoto.com Idiot Proof == Expert Proof --- Bob Blakely wrote: or possibly Cole's Law (thinly sliced cabbage). -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308

Re: Hurrah for Shel Disrobing the Emperor

2005-04-17 Thread Graywolf
Heck, Mishka, you can get a set of lousy 4x6's for $5 (grin). However, I do understand your point. It is not a new problem, I had it 20+ years ago when I was trying to make a living off photography. However back then there was a few people (not commercial labs) who could produce superb prints

Re: Hurrah for Shel Disrobing the Emperor

2005-04-17 Thread Mishka
On 4/16/05, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We had a guy floating around town here who badmouthed every lab in the area for giving crappy results. It turned out he couldn't expose a negative properly to save his life. you've just made this up, haven't you? William Robb mishka

Re: Hurrah for Shel Disrobing the Emperor

2005-04-17 Thread mike wilson
William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Re: Hurrah for Shel Disrobing the Emperor In mind, maybe. But when it gets to going to the shop with the card (do you have more than one?) and talking to the man about all that technical crap

Re: Hurrah for Shel Disrobing the Emperor

2005-04-17 Thread Rob Studdert
On 17 Apr 2005 at 21:02, mike wilson wrote: You won't need to, because they just will not come back. Most of the people I know who have digital cameras print less than 1% of their pictures. Once the new model sales dry up - as they will, because most people are happy with their camera

Re: Hurrah for Shel Disrobing the Emperor

2005-04-16 Thread Bob W
Hi, So you cannot parse a short english sentence. That's all. It's pretty hard to parse a one word sentence. Nonsense! -- Cheers, Bob

Re: Hurrah for Shel Disrobing the Emperor

2005-04-16 Thread Jostein
- Original Message - From: Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] It's pretty hard to parse a one word sentence. Nonsense! You mean, like: n o n s e n s e ! : - ) Jostein

Re: Hurrah for Shel Disrobing the Emperor

2005-04-16 Thread Mishka
Sure. Mishka It's pretty hard to parse a one word sentence. William Robb

Re: Hurrah for Shel Disrobing the Emperor

2005-04-16 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Bob W Subject: Re: Hurrah for Shel Disrobing the Emperor It's pretty hard to parse a one word sentence. Nonsense! At least you give more than one syllable to work with. William Robb

Re: Hurrah for Shel Disrobing the Emperor

2005-04-16 Thread Bob W
Hi, It's pretty hard to parse a one word sentence. Nonsense! At least you give more than one syllable to work with. Damn. -- Cheers, Bob

Re: Hurrah for Shel Disrobing the Emperor

2005-04-16 Thread Paul Stenquist
Bob wins. Nonsense isn't an English sentence. However, Damn is a complete sentence if the word da,m is used as a verb and the doer of the action is an understood you. On Apr 16, 2005, at 10:08 AM, Bob W wrote: Hi, It's pretty hard to parse a one word sentence. Nonsense! At least you give more

Re: Hurrah for Shel Disrobing the Emperor

2005-04-16 Thread Mishka
even more (by a huge margin) stuff that's produced from film in the labs stinks. so? So you are a bad printer. Thats all. William Robb So you cannot parse a short english sentence. That's all. It's pretty hard to parse a one word sentence. William Robb you

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2005-04-16 Thread Peter J. Alling
Pedant. Paul Stenquist wrote: Bob wins. Nonsense isn't an English sentence. However, Damn is a complete sentence if the word da,m is used as a verb and the doer of the action is an understood you. On Apr 16, 2005, at 10:08 AM, Bob W wrote: Hi, It's pretty hard to parse a one word sentence.

Re: Hurrah for Shel Disrobing the Emperor

2005-04-16 Thread Paul Stenquist
Former English teacher. On Apr 16, 2005, at 11:32 AM, Peter J. Alling wrote: Pedant. Paul Stenquist wrote: Bob wins. Nonsense isn't an English sentence. However, Damn is a complete sentence if the word da,m is used as a verb and the doer of the action is an understood you. On Apr 16, 2005, at

Re: Hurrah for Shel Disrobing the Emperor

2005-04-16 Thread John Forbes
Surely it's short for May God damn you. The understood you is the object, whilst the good Lord is the subject. John On Sat, 16 Apr 2005 10:33:39 -0400, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bob wins. Nonsense isn't an English sentence. However, Damn is a complete sentence if the word

Re: Hurrah for Shel Disrobing the Emperor

2005-04-16 Thread Bob W
Hi, Saturday, April 16, 2005, 3:33:39 PM, Paul wrote: Bob wins. Nonsense isn't an English sentence. However, Damn is a complete sentence if the word da,m is used as a verb and the doer of the action is an understood you. Actually, I wrote Nonsense! as well, so I win either way. In fact, I

Re: Hurrah for Shel Disrobing the Emperor

2005-04-16 Thread John Francis
(That is) Nonsense! is just as much a sentence as Damn (you) Paul Stenquist mused: Bob wins. Nonsense isn't an English sentence. However, Damn is a complete sentence if the word da,m is used as a verb and the doer of the action is an understood you. On Apr 16, 2005, at 10:08 AM, Bob W

Re: Hurrah for Shel Disrobing the Emperor

2005-04-16 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Bob W Subject: Re: Hurrah for Shel Disrobing the Emperor Hi, It's pretty hard to parse a one word sentence. Nonsense! At least you give more than one syllable to work with. Damn. At least you give more than two letters to work with. William Robb

Re: Hurrah for Shel Disrobing the Emperor

2005-04-16 Thread Bob W
Hi, Saturday, April 16, 2005, 8:27:16 PM, William wrote: - Original Message - From: Bob W Subject: Re: Hurrah for Shel Disrobing the Emperor Hi, It's pretty hard to parse a one word sentence. Nonsense! At least you give more than one syllable to work with. Damn

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2005-04-16 Thread pnstenquist
Yes, that's the way the word damn is generally used. But any active verb that stands alone takes an understood you as the subject. Surely it's short for May God damn you. The understood you is the object, whilst the good Lord is the subject. John On Sat, 16 Apr 2005 10:33:39 -0400,

Re: Hurrah for Shel Disrobing the Emperor

2005-04-16 Thread John Forbes
Help? John On Sat, 16 Apr 2005 21:36:52 +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, that's the way the word damn is generally used. But any active verb that stands alone takes an understood you as the subject. Surely it's short for May God damn you. The understood you is the object, whilst the good

Re: Hurrah for Shel Disrobing the Emperor

2005-04-16 Thread pnstenquist
Nonsense. (That is) Nonsense! is just as much a sentence as Damn (you) Paul Stenquist mused: Bob wins. Nonsense isn't an English sentence. However, Damn is a complete sentence if the word da,m is used as a verb and the doer of the action is an understood you. On Apr 16,

Re: Hurrah for Shel Disrobing the Emperor

2005-04-16 Thread Bob Blakely
Y'a know, I'm sure there's a plethora of, well, let's just say ordinary labs out there that are running 35mm through the machines and just robot-like punching the buttons to select the machine's suggestion for correction, if any, to be applied to prints. No doubt some labs are stretching a

Re: Re: Hurrah for Shel Disrobing the Emperor

2005-04-16 Thread Bob Blakely
From: John Coyle [EMAIL PROTECTED] Haven't exactly dumped digital for film yet Rob, but this week I have been picking up the MZ-S loaded with BW to go take some 'real' photos. Of course, Murphy's Law says I find myself totally uninspired so I haven't even finished one film yet! That's not

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