PPG voting deja vu
I uploaded five pics to the gallery a couple of weeks ago and never looked at them again. Busy days around here. Anyway, I took a look this morning, opened one or two, and discovered to my dismay that they were yukky. (Yukky is a technical term relative to tonality:-) I soon realized I had failed to convert them to SRGB before uploading. I've now done that, and reloaded. So if you think you're experiencing voting deja vu, that is why. Yes, you have seen that pic before, but it is, hopefully, less yukky this time around. Paul -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PPG voting deja vu
I saw them just a few minutes ago, and posted under a very similar subject line. They looked quite good. I do not recall seeing the earlier ones; I would have remembered if I did. In any evern, everyone log into the PPG and vote for these entries -- they deserve our support. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 11:55 AM, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: I uploaded five pics to the gallery a couple of weeks ago and never looked at them again. Busy days around here. Anyway, I took a look this morning, opened one or two, and discovered to my dismay that they were yukky. (Yukky is a technical term relative to tonality:-) I soon realized I had failed to convert them to SRGB before uploading. I've now done that, and reloaded. So if you think you're experiencing voting deja vu, that is why. Yes, you have seen that pic before, but it is, hopefully, less yukky this time around. Paul -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
PPG voting stuff... ooooops! some bugs still creeping around there.
2 things - while the first photo you see is pretty large, the quality doesn't seem as good as when you click on enlarge - I think I may have nayed a couple of things I might have liked enough had I clicked enlrge first. but MOST important - I think can safely say that pending photos seem not to have been erased. How do I know? (drum roll) Because I just got offered one of MINE to vote on! a black and white, digital, somewhat appropriate to a coming holiday.. (note I carefully avoid saying WHICH holiday) and at least some of you would recognize it as mine , but I will say it , at least, isn't on my open galleries on smugmug. I did not tempt Providence by giving it a thumbs up nor could I bring myself to vote no Just voted for a while -- lots of mediocre stuff, sad to say... but not all. ann -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PPG voting stuff... ooooops! some bugs still creeping around there.
I also saw a couple of my old submissions while voting today -- so it appears that the images that were under review when the old system was stopped were not discarded, even if they don't appear in out pending gallery. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 10:06 PM, Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com wrote: 2 things - while the first photo you see is pretty large, the quality doesn't seem as good as when you click on enlarge - I think I may have nayed a couple of things I might have liked enough had I clicked enlrge first. but MOST important - I think can safely say that pending photos seem not to have been erased. How do I know? (drum roll) Because I just got offered one of MINE to vote on! a black and white, digital, somewhat appropriate to a coming holiday.. (note I carefully avoid saying WHICH holiday) and at least some of you would recognize it as mine , but I will say it , at least, isn't on my open galleries on smugmug. I did not tempt Providence by giving it a thumbs up nor could I bring myself to vote no Just voted for a while -- lots of mediocre stuff, sad to say... but not all. ann -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PPG VOTING
On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 8:38 PM, paul stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: Perhaps I will spend some time voting again. I haven't voted or submitted in at least a couple years. But it's been a busy time for me. I decided to start voting again as well after 6 months (been horribly busy until today when I submitted my last major project for this year...you can tell that I am posting a lot). There is this Polish guy who has a great eye but keeps submitting his photos framed and watermarked (that's how I guessed he's Polish; I should write his name when I see his photo go by). I guess something was lost in the translation; I wish someone would help him out; his photos are great! -- Bong Manayon http://www.bong.uni.cc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Perhaps I will spend some time voting again. I haven't voted or submitted in at least a couple years. But it's been a busy time for me. Paul On Dec 23, 2010, at 1:09 AM, Boris Liberman wrote: I for one, find voting in PPG to be rather pleasant past time for me. Although there are some truly awful images in there, most are not and the fact that the next page can hold something completely unexpected is nice. Presently I am trying to cross the mere barrier of 10 images in my PPG set. Probably should submit more as it is somewhat intriguing. The likes of you Jostein and Bong with triple digit figures of accepted pictures is pretty mind blowing for me. Cheers! On 12/22/2010 7:14 PM, AlunFoto wrote: 2010/12/22 Daniel J. Matyoladanmaty...@gmail.com: It seems to have worked for me, as I now have fewer rejects and more accepted images, and my Pentax Gallery is up to 46. That certainly doesn't mean that I am a better photographer, just that I can predict better what might get accepted. Also, when someone sees one of my images and asks to see more, I can give them the link to my Pentax Gallery, knowing that the images there probably appeal to a wide variety of tastes, and not just my idiosyncratic photographic vision. Well said, Dan! I also find it interesting to then present the same images to a totally different group of photographers. It's amazing how much groupthink there is in viewing photographs. :-) Jostein -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PPG VOTING
On Dec 21, 2010, at 9:14 PM, Steven Desjardins wrote: I'm surprised anyone cares. Voting is a colossal waste of time. My political philosophy. That too. Paul Feeling inordinately gruff, after a horrible 24-hour flu. On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 8:29 PM, paul stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: On Dec 21, 2010, at 7:03 PM, Jack Davis wrote: Reads as though you must have read my last email to Pentax.;) Seems to me that if the voting is allowed to continue, the 20% criterion may be ultimately met even though the image was allegedly toast at 60 votes. Makes my head hurt. My guess is that many have become bored with voting and those who are may be spending time on dead horse images.(??) Jack I'm surprised anyone cares. Voting is a colossal waste of time. --- On Tue, 12/21/10, AlunFoto alunf...@gmail.com wrote: From: AlunFoto alunf...@gmail.com Subject: Re: PPG VOTING To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Date: Tuesday, December 21, 2010, 3:47 PM 2010/12/21 Jack Davis jdavi...@yahoo.com: I so don't get this, but I'm told that due to time constraints, voting may go on beyond the 60 to as many as 200. Couldn't get a clear answer as to why. Why should the largly dead horse voting be allowed to continue, thus detracting from surviving image voting and delaying the process? My understanding is that If it gets 12 nays out of 60, it is removed from the queue and flagged as rejected on the artist's page. If you get a fast rejection, it's because of getting 12 nays before reaching a total of 60 votes. What would be interesting to know is what happens as votes accumulate beyond 60. 12 out of 60 is 20%. Does that mean that if ever a photo tops 20% nays, it's out? That seems logical to me. I assume votes can accumulate until presented to the Pentax team. So time constraints could very well be a way to say that the team don't have time to meet frequently enough to do away with the queue at 60 votes. Jostein -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PPG VOTING
2010/12/22 Jack Davis jdavi...@yahoo.com: Reads as though you must have read my last email to Pentax.;) Seems to me that if the voting is allowed to continue, the 20% criterion may be ultimately met even though the image was allegedly toast at 60 votes. Makes my head hurt. My guess is that many have become bored with voting and those who are may be spending time on dead horse images.(??) Rest your head, Jack. :-) If a photo receives 12 nays before reaching 60 votes, it's automatically out. No beating of dead horses. If a photo receives 20% nays after reaching 60 votes, it's automatically out. Those horses will no longer be beaten either. More votes (60) does not work against any photo per se, it just means that the percentage is drawn from a larger sample of votes. So the surplus votes are not beating dead horses, but rather firming up the percentages for the keepers. Of course, an image could encounter a batch of nay-votes late in the process, making it tip the 20% balance. But the more votes, the more likely is that percentage to be representative for general opinion. :-) Anyway, it's the three weeks' turnover that is the real problem. My guess is that the gallery requires more human attention than Pentax anticipated. Jostein -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PPG VOTING
I agree, I was told the voting is allowed to continue because the team just can't keep up.(??) I guess my basic wonderment is why allow voting beyond 60 when there are live (new) images in the queue awaiting voters. More votes being a better quality assessment notwithstanding. I offered my appreciation for the PPG. It is a stimulant that is absolutely basic to the nature of the photo enthusiasts. Exposure, judgment and approval are sought to validate an emotional investment. Jack --- On Wed, 12/22/10, AlunFoto alunf...@gmail.com wrote: From: AlunFoto alunf...@gmail.com Subject: Re: PPG VOTING To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Date: Wednesday, December 22, 2010, 4:39 AM 2010/12/22 Jack Davis jdavi...@yahoo.com: Reads as though you must have read my last email to Pentax.;) Seems to me that if the voting is allowed to continue, the 20% criterion may be ultimately met even though the image was allegedly toast at 60 votes. Makes my head hurt. My guess is that many have become bored with voting and those who are may be spending time on dead horse images.(??) Rest your head, Jack. :-) If a photo receives 12 nays before reaching 60 votes, it's automatically out. No beating of dead horses. If a photo receives 20% nays after reaching 60 votes, it's automatically out. Those horses will no longer be beaten either. More votes (60) does not work against any photo per se, it just means that the percentage is drawn from a larger sample of votes. So the surplus votes are not beating dead horses, but rather firming up the percentages for the keepers. Of course, an image could encounter a batch of nay-votes late in the process, making it tip the 20% balance. But the more votes, the more likely is that percentage to be representative for general opinion. :-) Anyway, it's the three weeks' turnover that is the real problem. My guess is that the gallery requires more human attention than Pentax anticipated. Jostein -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PPG VOTING
Sorry. I fought bronchitis for two weeks. As I grow wiser, these bouts of common illnesses just kick my ass. On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 6:50 AM, paul stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: On Dec 21, 2010, at 9:14 PM, Steven Desjardins wrote: I'm surprised anyone cares. Voting is a colossal waste of time. My political philosophy. That too. Paul Feeling inordinately gruff, after a horrible 24-hour flu. On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 8:29 PM, paul stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: On Dec 21, 2010, at 7:03 PM, Jack Davis wrote: Reads as though you must have read my last email to Pentax.;) Seems to me that if the voting is allowed to continue, the 20% criterion may be ultimately met even though the image was allegedly toast at 60 votes. Makes my head hurt. My guess is that many have become bored with voting and those who are may be spending time on dead horse images.(??) Jack I'm surprised anyone cares. Voting is a colossal waste of time. --- On Tue, 12/21/10, AlunFoto alunf...@gmail.com wrote: From: AlunFoto alunf...@gmail.com Subject: Re: PPG VOTING To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Date: Tuesday, December 21, 2010, 3:47 PM 2010/12/21 Jack Davis jdavi...@yahoo.com: I so don't get this, but I'm told that due to time constraints, voting may go on beyond the 60 to as many as 200. Couldn't get a clear answer as to why. Why should the largly dead horse voting be allowed to continue, thus detracting from surviving image voting and delaying the process? My understanding is that If it gets 12 nays out of 60, it is removed from the queue and flagged as rejected on the artist's page. If you get a fast rejection, it's because of getting 12 nays before reaching a total of 60 votes. What would be interesting to know is what happens as votes accumulate beyond 60. 12 out of 60 is 20%. Does that mean that if ever a photo tops 20% nays, it's out? That seems logical to me. I assume votes can accumulate until presented to the Pentax team. So time constraints could very well be a way to say that the team don't have time to meet frequently enough to do away with the queue at 60 votes. Jostein -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PPG VOTING
On 12/22/2010 3:52 PM, Steven Desjardins wrote: Sorry. I fought bronchitis for two weeks. As I grow wiser, these bouts of common illnesses just kick my ass. It begs to notice here that bronchitis has nothing to do with the lower parts of human body. At least usually. But seriously - get well Steve and Paul! Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PPG VOTING
2010/12/22 Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com: It begs to notice here that bronchitis has nothing to do with the lower parts of human body. At least usually. Depends on how which way your cough goes. -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PPG VOTING
It may be a colossal waste of time for you, and it might not matter much as far as what gets in the gallery, but I find it productive. I am not certainly as skilled as most on this list or most who have images on the PPG. I review and vote on submissions for what I can learn. I try to ask myself, as to each image, What is good about this photograph; what is the photographer trying to convey? Did he or she succeed? What are the weaknesses in this image? Why is this image better than mine (if that is the case)? I also regularly look at the recently accepted images, to see what others have done, and try to determine what about those images makes them better than my rejected images. It seems to have worked for me, as I now have fewer rejects and more accepted images, and my Pentax Gallery is up to 46. That certainly doesn't mean that I am a better photographer, just that I can predict better what might get accepted. Also, when someone sees one of my images and asks to see more, I can give them the link to my Pentax Gallery, knowing that the images there probably appeal to a wide variety of tastes, and not just my idiosyncratic photographic vision. Dan On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 6:50 AM, paul stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: On Dec 21, 2010, at 9:14 PM, Steven Desjardins wrote: I'm surprised anyone cares. Voting is a colossal waste of time. -- Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PPG VOTING
2010/12/22 Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com: It seems to have worked for me, as I now have fewer rejects and more accepted images, and my Pentax Gallery is up to 46. That certainly doesn't mean that I am a better photographer, just that I can predict better what might get accepted. Also, when someone sees one of my images and asks to see more, I can give them the link to my Pentax Gallery, knowing that the images there probably appeal to a wide variety of tastes, and not just my idiosyncratic photographic vision. Well said, Dan! I also find it interesting to then present the same images to a totally different group of photographers. It's amazing how much groupthink there is in viewing photographs. :-) Jostein -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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The totally different group is often a more artistic group and therefore, more appreciative of my re-submitted stuff. ;)) Jack --- On Wed, 12/22/10, AlunFoto alunf...@gmail.com wrote: From: AlunFoto alunf...@gmail.com Subject: Re: PPG VOTING To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Date: Wednesday, December 22, 2010, 9:14 AM 2010/12/22 Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com: It seems to have worked for me, as I now have fewer rejects and more accepted images, and my Pentax Gallery is up to 46. That certainly doesn't mean that I am a better photographer, just that I can predict better what might get accepted. Also, when someone sees one of my images and asks to see more, I can give them the link to my Pentax Gallery, knowing that the images there probably appeal to a wide variety of tastes, and not just my idiosyncratic photographic vision. Well said, Dan! I also find it interesting to then present the same images to a totally different group of photographers. It's amazing how much groupthink there is in viewing photographs. :-) Jostein -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PPG VOTING
I for one, find voting in PPG to be rather pleasant past time for me. Although there are some truly awful images in there, most are not and the fact that the next page can hold something completely unexpected is nice. Presently I am trying to cross the mere barrier of 10 images in my PPG set. Probably should submit more as it is somewhat intriguing. The likes of you Jostein and Bong with triple digit figures of accepted pictures is pretty mind blowing for me. Cheers! On 12/22/2010 7:14 PM, AlunFoto wrote: 2010/12/22 Daniel J. Matyoladanmaty...@gmail.com: It seems to have worked for me, as I now have fewer rejects and more accepted images, and my Pentax Gallery is up to 46. That certainly doesn't mean that I am a better photographer, just that I can predict better what might get accepted. Also, when someone sees one of my images and asks to see more, I can give them the link to my Pentax Gallery, knowing that the images there probably appeal to a wide variety of tastes, and not just my idiosyncratic photographic vision. Well said, Dan! I also find it interesting to then present the same images to a totally different group of photographers. It's amazing how much groupthink there is in viewing photographs. :-) Jostein -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
PPG VOTING
For those who care: I asked PPG about their current voting procedure. I, also, mentioned the extended delay noted by many and the recent seeming ease of inclusion into the gallery. Answer was to some extent convoluted and, in my case, subject to misinterpretation, but it was clear that they wanted to make it more difficult for an image to be accepted. They explained that there were so many novas voters who were overly impressed with even sub common images that too many were being approved by voters. Apparently the Pentax Team is still in tact and it could be that it was being inundated with rejectable images.(?) In the past, if an image received 20 no votes out of 60 it was declined. I'm now told that if an image receives 12 no votes out of 60 it is declined. I've no information as to how long this revised procedure has been in effect. I so don't get this, but I'm told that due to time constraints, voting may go on beyond the 60 to as many as 200. Couldn't get a clear answer as to why. Why should the largly dead horse voting be allowed to continue, thus detracting from surviving image voting and delaying the process? Won't be asking again. Jack -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PPG VOTING
My experience with PPG is that, at the beginning, I was impressed by almost enery image that I found there. Now I click on links to PPG at the footers of Pentax forums entries and, well...I am not that impressed with what I see. I admit though that a site like this must be difficult to properly 'control' without devoting a lot of resources, that I am not sure that Pentax has. Regards, Jaume - Mensaje original De: Jack Davis jdavi...@yahoo.com Para: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Enviado: mar,21 diciembre, 2010 16:30 Asunto: PPG VOTING For those who care: I asked PPG about their current voting procedure. I, also, mentioned the extended delay noted by many and the recent seeming ease of inclusion into the gallery. Answer was to some extent convoluted and, in my case, subject to misinterpretation, but it was clear that they wanted to make it more difficult for an image to be accepted. They explained that there were so many novas voters who were overly impressed with even sub common images that too many were being approved by voters. Apparently the Pentax Team is still in tact and it could be that it was being inundated with rejectable images.(?) In the past, if an image received 20 no votes out of 60 it was declined. I'm now told that if an image receives 12 no votes out of 60 it is declined. I've no information as to how long this revised procedure has been in effect. I so don't get this, but I'm told that due to time constraints, voting may go on beyond the 60 to as many as 200. Couldn't get a clear answer as to why. Why should the largly dead horse voting be allowed to continue, thus detracting from surviving image voting and delaying the process? Won't be asking again. Jack -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PPG VOTING
2010/12/21 Jack Davis jdavi...@yahoo.com: I so don't get this, but I'm told that due to time constraints, voting may go on beyond the 60 to as many as 200. Couldn't get a clear answer as to why. Why should the largly dead horse voting be allowed to continue, thus detracting from surviving image voting and delaying the process? My understanding is that If it gets 12 nays out of 60, it is removed from the queue and flagged as rejected on the artist's page. If you get a fast rejection, it's because of getting 12 nays before reaching a total of 60 votes. What would be interesting to know is what happens as votes accumulate beyond 60. 12 out of 60 is 20%. Does that mean that if ever a photo tops 20% nays, it's out? That seems logical to me. I assume votes can accumulate until presented to the Pentax team. So time constraints could very well be a way to say that the team don't have time to meet frequently enough to do away with the queue at 60 votes. Jostein -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PPG VOTING
Reads as though you must have read my last email to Pentax.;) Seems to me that if the voting is allowed to continue, the 20% criterion may be ultimately met even though the image was allegedly toast at 60 votes. Makes my head hurt. My guess is that many have become bored with voting and those who are may be spending time on dead horse images.(??) Jack --- On Tue, 12/21/10, AlunFoto alunf...@gmail.com wrote: From: AlunFoto alunf...@gmail.com Subject: Re: PPG VOTING To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Date: Tuesday, December 21, 2010, 3:47 PM 2010/12/21 Jack Davis jdavi...@yahoo.com: I so don't get this, but I'm told that due to time constraints, voting may go on beyond the 60 to as many as 200. Couldn't get a clear answer as to why. Why should the largly dead horse voting be allowed to continue, thus detracting from surviving image voting and delaying the process? My understanding is that If it gets 12 nays out of 60, it is removed from the queue and flagged as rejected on the artist's page. If you get a fast rejection, it's because of getting 12 nays before reaching a total of 60 votes. What would be interesting to know is what happens as votes accumulate beyond 60. 12 out of 60 is 20%. Does that mean that if ever a photo tops 20% nays, it's out? That seems logical to me. I assume votes can accumulate until presented to the Pentax team. So time constraints could very well be a way to say that the team don't have time to meet frequently enough to do away with the queue at 60 votes. Jostein -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PPG VOTING
On Dec 21, 2010, at 7:03 PM, Jack Davis wrote: Reads as though you must have read my last email to Pentax.;) Seems to me that if the voting is allowed to continue, the 20% criterion may be ultimately met even though the image was allegedly toast at 60 votes. Makes my head hurt. My guess is that many have become bored with voting and those who are may be spending time on dead horse images.(??) Jack I'm surprised anyone cares. Voting is a colossal waste of time. --- On Tue, 12/21/10, AlunFoto alunf...@gmail.com wrote: From: AlunFoto alunf...@gmail.com Subject: Re: PPG VOTING To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Date: Tuesday, December 21, 2010, 3:47 PM 2010/12/21 Jack Davis jdavi...@yahoo.com: I so don't get this, but I'm told that due to time constraints, voting may go on beyond the 60 to as many as 200. Couldn't get a clear answer as to why. Why should the largly dead horse voting be allowed to continue, thus detracting from surviving image voting and delaying the process? My understanding is that If it gets 12 nays out of 60, it is removed from the queue and flagged as rejected on the artist's page. If you get a fast rejection, it's because of getting 12 nays before reaching a total of 60 votes. What would be interesting to know is what happens as votes accumulate beyond 60. 12 out of 60 is 20%. Does that mean that if ever a photo tops 20% nays, it's out? That seems logical to me. I assume votes can accumulate until presented to the Pentax team. So time constraints could very well be a way to say that the team don't have time to meet frequently enough to do away with the queue at 60 votes. Jostein -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PPG VOTING
I'm surprised anyone cares. Voting is a colossal waste of time. My political philosophy. On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 8:29 PM, paul stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: On Dec 21, 2010, at 7:03 PM, Jack Davis wrote: Reads as though you must have read my last email to Pentax.;) Seems to me that if the voting is allowed to continue, the 20% criterion may be ultimately met even though the image was allegedly toast at 60 votes. Makes my head hurt. My guess is that many have become bored with voting and those who are may be spending time on dead horse images.(??) Jack I'm surprised anyone cares. Voting is a colossal waste of time. --- On Tue, 12/21/10, AlunFoto alunf...@gmail.com wrote: From: AlunFoto alunf...@gmail.com Subject: Re: PPG VOTING To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Date: Tuesday, December 21, 2010, 3:47 PM 2010/12/21 Jack Davis jdavi...@yahoo.com: I so don't get this, but I'm told that due to time constraints, voting may go on beyond the 60 to as many as 200. Couldn't get a clear answer as to why. Why should the largly dead horse voting be allowed to continue, thus detracting from surviving image voting and delaying the process? My understanding is that If it gets 12 nays out of 60, it is removed from the queue and flagged as rejected on the artist's page. If you get a fast rejection, it's because of getting 12 nays before reaching a total of 60 votes. What would be interesting to know is what happens as votes accumulate beyond 60. 12 out of 60 is 20%. Does that mean that if ever a photo tops 20% nays, it's out? That seems logical to me. I assume votes can accumulate until presented to the Pentax team. So time constraints could very well be a way to say that the team don't have time to meet frequently enough to do away with the queue at 60 votes. Jostein -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PPG Voting
Thanks, Jack, that's most informative. As for voting - I usually vote by the heart - if I like the image, then I vote for it. I don't care much about gear and/or rules. But then again, I must admit I don't vote for the images all too often and the amount of really low quality stuff is significant... Boris Jack Davis wrote: Since we are on the subject of PPG voting, I'll, again, pass along what a Pentax rep. told me about the process some time back. If an image receives 20 NO votes before the image receives a total of 60 votes (both YES NO), the image is auto Declined. If an image receives a total of 60 votes (both YES NO) and the 60 votes is comprised of fewer than 20 NO votes, the image is referred to the judges for disposition. I have not asked the question in some time, so have no way of knowing if this system is still in place. Jack -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
PPG Voting
Since we are on the subject of PPG voting, I'll, again, pass along what a Pentax rep. told me about the process some time back. If an image receives 20 NO votes before the image receives a total of 60 votes (both YES NO), the image is auto Declined. If an image receives a total of 60 votes (both YES NO) and the 60 votes is comprised of fewer than 20 NO votes, the image is referred to the judges for disposition. I have not asked the question in some time, so have no way of knowing if this system is still in place. Jack -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PPG Voting
Thanks for that, Jack. I assumed that there must be some formula used but I must have missed your earlier post on the subject. I don't know if that is still the method used but it sounds reasonable. One thing I'm unsure of when voting is how to deal with images where the submitter has obviously not read the submission criteria. For example, the rules clearly state that The PENTAX Photo Gallery does not currently support photos with non-standard aspect ratios (eg. panoramic photos) but I still come across plenty of panoramic submissions. I usually just give these a thumbs down on the basis that the submitter(s) should at least have read the rules, but some of the images are quite good. What do others do with these? Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://members.westnet.com.au/brianwal/SL/ On Tue, 06 Oct 2009 10:49 -0700, Jack Davis jdavi...@yahoo.com wrote: Since we are on the subject of PPG voting, I'll, again, pass along what a Pentax rep. told me about the process some time back. If an image receives 20 NO votes before the image receives a total of 60 votes (both YES NO), the image is auto Declined. If an image receives a total of 60 votes (both YES NO) and the 60 votes is comprised of fewer than 20 NO votes, the image is referred to the judges for disposition. I have not asked the question in some time, so have no way of knowing if this system is still in place. Jack -- -- http://www.fastmail.fm - IMAP accessible web-mail -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PPG Voting
Like you, I used to give them a quick NO vote. I began to notice that the Pentax Team was accepting them for the gallery. Now I sort of go by the aspect ratio in the sense that if it is a very dramatic pano, and has no redeeming aspects, I give it a quick NO. Not ideal, but that's how I've been handling them. OOH, if it has a frame or watermark, it's instant toast. Jack --- On Tue, 10/6/09, Brian Walters supera1...@fastmail.fm wrote: From: Brian Walters supera1...@fastmail.fm Subject: Re: PPG Voting To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Date: Tuesday, October 6, 2009, 2:34 PM Thanks for that, Jack. I assumed that there must be some formula used but I must have missed your earlier post on the subject. I don't know if that is still the method used but it sounds reasonable. One thing I'm unsure of when voting is how to deal with images where the submitter has obviously not read the submission criteria. For example, the rules clearly state that The PENTAX Photo Gallery does not currently support photos with non-standard aspect ratios (eg. panoramic photos) but I still come across plenty of panoramic submissions. I usually just give these a thumbs down on the basis that the submitter(s) should at least have read the rules, but some of the images are quite good. What do others do with these? Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://members.westnet.com.au/brianwal/SL/ On Tue, 06 Oct 2009 10:49 -0700, Jack Davis jdavi...@yahoo.com wrote: Since we are on the subject of PPG voting, I'll, again, pass along what a Pentax rep. told me about the process some time back. If an image receives 20 NO votes before the image receives a total of 60 votes (both YES NO), the image is auto Declined. If an image receives a total of 60 votes (both YES NO) and the 60 votes is comprised of fewer than 20 NO votes, the image is referred to the judges for disposition. I have not asked the question in some time, so have no way of knowing if this system is still in place. Jack -- -- http://www.fastmail.fm - IMAP accessible web-mail -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
