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http://www.facebook.com/pages/Riffs-Rotes/167712413262717
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Semeiotics/110200632380093
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Peirce List,
There is a brief discussion of the relation between the theory of signs and the
theory of inquiry,
as illuminated by selections from Aristotle, Peirce, Dewey, and others, in the
following paper:
Peircers,
Let me pick it up here:
SN: The main idea or real issue that JR seeks to present via Kleinman's
paper is brought out in paragraph 3: whether scientific inquiry is to
continue to be recognized institutionally as a discovery process, guided
ideally by the norms implicit in such
Sally All,
I think it is reasonable to be concerned with distorting influences
on research and scholarship, whether we find them in the sciences or
in the other disciplines. Looking around, the conflicts of interest
appear to grow more pushy and more pervasive every day. I'm thinking
of
, intentional objects and objects of intention, that we are likely
to miss if we don't remind ourselves of their pertinence to pragmatic thinking.
Regards,
Jon
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As I recall, one of Joe's abiding concerns was the idea that science
refers to an objective world
On Sep 9, 2011, at 1:56 PM, Jon Awbrey jawb...@att.net wrote:
Sally All,
Some of us are slower readers than others ...
To tell the truth, I haven't been having much time to do more than skim,
so let me just mention a few thoughts that come to mind while doing that.
I am constantly reminded
Sally All,
Just a brief note on the question of sincerity. A useful set of concepts for
discussing
this issue can be found in the work of Argyris and Schön, where they make a
distinction
between espoused goals, values, etc. and enacted or actual goals, values,
etc.
In these terms, honesty,
, 2011, at 7:06 AM, Jon Awbrey wrote:
Sally, Gene, All,
In relation to the purpose of a university and what's been happening to it
lately,
I earlier mentioned the themes of academic capitalism and the war on
science.
JA 30 Aug 2011
I think it is reasonable to be concerned with distorting
Sally,
Thanks for all your detailed work on this reading.
I can't imagine that our meta-debate on the meaning
of the word debate will dissipate entirely, since
it appears to be yet another one of those perennial
recurrences. I know a person who would often object
to my use of the word discussion
NH = Nathan Houser
NH: JR began this paper by pointing out that Peirce conceived of semiotics
as a foundational theory capable of unifying sub-theories dealing with
communication, meaning, and inference. This may call for some discussion.
He then claims that 90% of Peirce's
NH = Nathan Houser
JR = Joe Ransdell
NH: Let me make a quick reply and later when I have more time I'll go back to
Joe's paper to see if he may have had something like what you say in mind.
I suppose a lot depends on precisely what Joe meant by directly concerned
with semiotic when
Steven, Jerry, and All --
Re: Communicational Communities
The etymology of community tells us that munus means duty, gift, or service,
so the original idea seems rooted in concepts of common duty and shared service.
http://depthome.brooklyn.cuny.edu/classics/gladiatr/origins.htm
Our notion of
NH: But eventually we'll want to push on and one interesting question we may
want
to consider is what JR means by Peirce's basic semiotic model. He refers to
this,
although in different terms, on pp. 2, 3, and 8, and maybe elsewhere.
Frequently
it is supposed that the basic
So a miser is a beneficent power in a community, is he?
With the same reason precisely, only in a much higher degree,
you might pronounce the Wall Street sharp to be a good angel,
who takes money from heedless persons not likely to guard it
properly, who wrecks feeble enterprises better stopped,
SN = Sally Ness
SN: Regarding psychology, your comments led me to realize that the independence
Peirce wanted to declare for logic in relation to psychological phenomena
may have had consequences for the way in which other social sciences are
understood in relation to Perice's logic
John,
I have missed all the earlier messages on this thread due to some
changes in my email service, but I think I recall Royce using the
phrase community of interpretation.
Jon
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Peirce used the word formal in a couple of senses, the first of which
is closer
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Here is John's first reply:
On 11/7/2011 2:30 PM, Jon Awbrey wrote:
One of the continuing problems that we have in reading Peirce is the fact
, Jon Awbrey wrote:
Those remarks were tailored to the ears of a particular body of readers
who are accustomed to hearing the word formal used as something akin
to a pejorative term, as in mere formalism or merely formalistic.
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Re: http://pirsa.org/11100113
The archetype whose avatar we find in The Holographic Universe (THU)
is one that recurs eternally all through the arcana and mystical lore
I used to read in the 60s and 70s, for instance, in the hermetic or
neoplatonistic theme
Looks interesting ...
I created a topic for Peirce —
http://www.researchgate.net/topic/Charles_Sanders_Peirce/
I can nominate any other curators who will serve if nominated ...
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Peircers,
There have been some related developments occurring in the mathematical
community lately.
It is beyond my powers to summarize the issues, so here are just a couple of
recent links
that may serve to give onlookers a hint of what's afoot:
Peircers,
Here are links to a couple of articles on Logical Graphs, newly migrated from
Google Knol to WordPress.
The first is meant as an informal tour of essential points and selected
sidelights, focusing on motivation.
The second presents the subject more formally. I took some pains to
Peircers,
Here is an essay from arXiv.org blurb
(http://people.ccmr.cornell.edu/~ginsparg/blurb/)
that Joe Ransdell recommended in one of his notes to “The Relevance Of Peircean
Semiotic
To Computational Intelligence Augmentation”, and that I am seeing pop up more
and more in
current
Peircers,
A few reflections that I posted on Gowers's Weblog that may be pertinent here --
Re: What’s wrong with electronic journals?
At: http://gowers.wordpress.com/2012/01/29/whats-wrong-with-electronic-journals/
Having spent a good part of the 1990s writing about what the New Millennium
Peircers,
I added the following comment on Gowers's Weblog —
The late Joseph Ransdell (1931–2010), who did more to keep C.S. Peirce's
thought alive on the Web than
anyone else I know, had a particular interest in the issues surrounding open
peerage and publication.
Synchronicity being what it
Ben All,
My own interest in this topic has more to do with the ways that
economic, social, and technological systems facilitate or inhibit
the dynamics of inquiry -- and only incidentally with publication
and publishers per se -- but one has to play the ball of concrete
application where it
Peircers,
Gary Fuhrman wrote:
GF: I would agree that Peirce's third method of fixing belief is the most
difficult to give a suitable name to,
but I think Peirce's own choice eventually fell on fermentation of ideas,
based on this paragraph dated
c. 1906:
CSP: [[[ My paper of November
Steven,
Having only your abstract to go on, I can certainly recognize
perennial themes out of Peirce's school, but they have been just
as perennially met with incomprehension as they have been brought
to the general lack of attention. Most notable among those themes
is no doubt the
Irving,
All I get when I follow that link is an IU Webmail login page,
but I don't have an account.
Regards,
Jon
Irving wrote:
The newest issue of Philosophia Mathematica, vol. 20, no. 1 (Feb. 2012)
has some items that may be of interest to members of PEIRCE-L; in
particular:
Catherine
Stephen, Steven, and All,
Here are links to a collection of wiki-works where I made
an old college try at introducing the necessary elements
from the ground up.
• http://mywikibiz.com/Inquiry_Live
• http://mywikibiz.com/Logic_Live
I was experimenting with a distributed architecture of a sorts,
to blog a choice bit of it for further reflection:
http://inquiryintoinquiry.com/2012/02/22/ouch%E2%9D%A2/
Regards,
Jon
Jon Awbrey wrote:
EC = Ernesto Cultura
EC: Dear List, without pretension.
I hope you like this: https://www.createspace.com/3788010
It is on Object (Peirce), and Das
Peircers,
Here are the passages from Peirce and Freud that always strike me
as resonating with each other, throwing light in one direction on
pragmatic objects in the context of inquiry as conceived by Peirce
and reflecting light in the other direction on Freud's Project of
1895, in which later
Precocious comments set aside to simmer …
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Synchroncity In The Asynchronous World (SITAW) !!!
We recently had a discussion of related issues on PolicyMic ...
http://www.policymic.com/articles/why-the-pope-can-t-be-tried-at-the-icc#comment-16229
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Jon
Benjamin Udell wrote:
James, list,
Theology, Catholic or
Peircers,
My exploratory, glacial, back-tracking style of thinking is more suited to
wikis than blogs,
so my blog posts, like Peircean signposts, tend to grow over time. At any
rate, here's the
updated postings on subjects related to the open access revolution, more
lately, of course,
the
Thanks, Gary, this is a very helpful summary.
Jon
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Gary Richmond wrote:
Cathy, Stephen, list,
Cathy, you wrote: I don't see how one might interpret induction as
secondness though.Though a *misplaced* induction may well lead to the
secondness of surprise due to
GR = Gary Richmond
JD = Jonathan DeVore
JD: It might be useful to bear in mind that we don't have to
think about 3rdnss, 2ndnss, 1stnss in an all-or-nothing
fashion. Peirce might have us recall that these elements
will be differently prominent according to the phenomenon
under
Peircers,
Gary brings us evidence that Peirce continued to find favor with his original
opinion
about the connections of the three categories with the principal types of
signs and
the principal types of inference, even when all the second guessing and third
guessing
had settled down, and yet
Peircers,
Here are the excerpts I copied out and the notes I took on Peirce's treatment of
information and inquiry in relation to the principal types of sign relations and
the principal types of inference, all from his Lectures on the Logic of
Science
at Harvard (1865) and the Lowell Institute
Hi Phyllis,
Do you know the work of Sorrentino and Roney on orientations to uncertainty?
| Sorrentino, Richard M., and Roney, Christopher J.R. (2000),
| The Uncertain Mind : Individual Differences in Facing the Unknown,
| (Essays in Social Psychology, Miles Hewstone (ed.)), Taylor and Francis,
Steven,
Here's a snippet from Boole that I think well illustrates
his take on the relation between logic and the psychology
of the thinking process.
| In proceeding to these inquiries, it will not be necessary
| to enter into the discussion of that famous question of the
| schools, whether
of backtracking later.
BU = Ben Udell
JA = Jon Awbrey
BU: The passage by Peirce that you quoted below has nagged at me for some time.
On your mywikibiz page to which you linked, as regards that passage, you
said The first thing to extract from this passage is the fact that
Peirce's Categories
| Objective Logic
|
| With Speculative Rhetoric, Logic, in the sense of Normative Semeotic,
| is brought to a close. But now we have to examine whether there be a
| doctrine of signs corresponding to Hegel's objective logic; that is to
| say, whether there be a life in Signs, so that — the
o~o~o~o~o~o
Note 2
o~o~o~o~o~o
Objective Logic (cont.)
The first question, then, which I have to ask is: Supposing such a thing
to be true, what is the kind of proof which I ought to demand to satisfy me of
its
o~o~o~o~o~o
Note 3
o~o~o~o~o~o
Objective Logic (cont.)
But whatever be the kind and degree of our logical assurance that there is any
real world,
external or internal, that same kind and degree of assurance we
Gary,
Sorry, the incitement for this reading is that array of questions that arose
in regard to the relations among Peirce's categories, predicates of predicates,
the possibly finite sequence of intentions, and the modes of being that he
mentioned in his passage about Predicaments.
I had to
Peircers,
Short on time till Monday, but I was able to redo the Objective Logic
excepts as a blog post, that may be easier to read all in one piece:
http://inquiryintoinquiry.com/2012/03/09/c-s-peirce-%E2%80%A2-objective-logic/
Regards,
Jon
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GF: Good point, Jon -- we should not neglect the element of performance art in
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GF: However I'm not sure it's right to say that the metaphysical order is more
fundamental than the
phenomenological. It doesn't seem to jibe with Peirce's classification of
the sciences,
Peircers,
There is a continuity of purpose that unites all the various category systems,
from Aristotle through the present day. Clearly, the categories of Aristotle,
Kant, Peirce, and contemporary mathematics are the same in neither number nor
content, but the logical function and semiotic
Ben, Steven, All ...
I may have missed a few posts but I don't understand the fuss about indices.
The types of signs not in one-to-one correspondence with the types of objects.
You can refer to the same object by means of a pronoun or some other index --
for example, Looky there!, Voila!, or I
Peircers,
I think it's true that some of the difficulties of this discussion may be due to
different concepts of predicates, or different ways of using the word
predicate
in different applications, communities, and contexts.
If I think back to the variety of different communities of
Peircers,
A recent blog post by Michael Shapiro on “The Pragmatistic Force of Analogy in
Language Structure”
reminded me of some work I started on “Inquiry and Analogy in Aristotle and
Peirce”, parts of which
may be of service in our discussions of the “Categorical Aspects of Abduction,
Thanks, Ben, that is some rockin' blog roll !
• http://www.cspeirce.com/individs.htm
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Here is a passage from Peirce that I find telling and personally compelling,
for reasons I hope to tell later on.
It often comes up in explaining Thirdness as it naturally arises in physics,
and more generally in systems theory.
Selections from C.S. Peirce, “A Guess at the Riddle”,
TB = Terry Bristol
TB: I like it up to this statement that I find obscure.
CSP: Now an acceleration, instead of being like a velocity a relation between
two successive positions,
is a relation between three; so that the new doctrine has consisted in
the suitable introduction
of the
Re: Benjamin Udell
At: http://article.gmane.org/gmane.science.philosophy.peirce/8026
Re: Terry Bristol
At: http://article.gmane.org/gmane.science.philosophy.peirce/8029
In the passage I quoted, Peirce is describing a critical juncture in the
evolution
of our physical understanding. One of the
Peircers,
Yet another attack of synchronicity -- I just now happened to be working on the
markup of
some old work and I ran across this bit where I was trying to puzzle out a
sensible picture
of how the normative science fit together within a pragmatic perspective on
their objects.
|
Peircers,
Here's another prospectus on normative inquiry that I wrote up in September
1992.
Prospects For Inquiry Driven Systems
1.3.1. Logic, Ethics, Esthetics
The philosophy I find myself converging to more often lately is the pragmatism of C.S. Peirce and John Dewey. According
to this
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Jon Awbrey said the following on 14/03/2012 03:14 p.m.:
Diane,
Between any
Peircers,
Not too coincidentally with the mention of Peirce's existential graphs,
a tangent of discussion on another blog brought to mind an old favorite
passage from Peirce, where he is using his entitative graphs to exposit
the logic of relatives. Here is the observation that I was led to
Steven,
There are the sounds of things in your overture that resonate with many themes
of long-standing interest to me -- the possibility of integrating dynamic and
symbolic aspects of intelligent systems, the logical analogues of differential
manifolds and the triadic relations that anchor
Jack,
All histories of logic written that I've read so far are very weak on Peirce,
and I think it's fair to say that even the few that make an attempt to cover
his work have fallen into the assimilationist vein.
Regards,
Jon
Jack Rooney wrote:
Despite all this there are several books on the
Re: Peirce Preservation (Studies in Logic and Its Vicissitudes)
At: http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.science.philosophy.peirce/8116
IA = Irving Anellis (also, Intelligence Augmentation)
IA: Jon Awbrey wrote: I would tend to sort Frege more in a class with
Boole, De Morgan, Peirce, and Schröder
Re: Peirce Preservation (Studies in Logic and Its Vicissitudes)
At: http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.science.philosophy.peirce/8116
Irving All,
The question of how logic, mathematics, phenomenology, and philosophy
in general relate to one another has come up again several times in
recent
Re: Peirce Papers Preservation
At: http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.science.philosophy.peirce/8116
Irving,
Turning to your list of points ...
IA: My points were -- to put them as simplistically and succinctly as
possible -- that:
IA: (a) _Studies in Logic_ did not get laid aside because of
JW = Jim Willgoose
JW: List, Irving, John et. al., Sluga (Frege against the Booleans;
Notre Dame Journal of Formal logic 1987)) places great emphasis
upon the priority principle in Frege, which stresses that the
judgement is epistemically, ontologically, and methodologically
Re: Jim Willgoose
At: http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.science.philosophy.peirce/8141
JA = Jon Awbrey
JW = Jim Willgoose
JA: Just to be sure we start out with the same thing in mind, are you talking
about
the notion of judgment that was represented by the judgment stroke in
Frege's
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I began to be curious about the recurrence of the following passage
from Peirce in internet discussions over the last dozen years or so.
Syllabus : Classification of Sciences (1.180-202, G-1903-2b)
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JW = Jim Willgoose
JW: I followed up on two paper suggestions by Irving (Sluga and Van Heijenoort)
in
the context of the language or calculus topic. With Sluga, I detect the
idea
that the Begriffsshrift is a universal language because it is meaningful in
a way that the Boolean
Re: Studies in Logic and Its Vicissitudes
At: http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.science.philosophy.peirce/8116
Irving All,
Between 1865 and 1870, C.S. Peirce had already begun to set out the rudiments
of an information-theoretic semantics for inquiry, communication, and thought
in general, along
Bill,
That reminds me, some of the information on the Gmane archive
didn't get updated about the move from Texas Tech, so you might
want to look at that, too.
Cf. http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.science.philosophy.peirce
Under Detailed Statistics it still gives the URL as:
http://inquiryintoinquiry.com/2012/05/10/modus-dolens/
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