Re: The Russian Default the Beginning of the End of Neoliberalism (Capitalism versus socialism)

2004-03-11 Thread Chris Doss
Yoshie: The Russian default was a blow against neoliberalism: Neoliberalism at the global level has also been dealt some serious blows--although one of the hardest punches has not received the attention it deserves: Russia's default on $200 billion worth of debt, some $40 billion of which is

Re: The Russian Default the Beginning of the End of Neoliberalism (Capitalism versus socialism)

2004-03-11 Thread Chris Doss
Anyhow, I think that Chris is trying to say that, though the Russian economy tanked after the disintegration of the Soviet Union, its economy has recovered quite a bit since Russia defaulted on its foreign debt in 1998. Putin has managed the post-default Russian economy well by capitalist

anti-spamming cartel

2004-03-11 Thread Chris Burford
The news that Microsoft, AOL, Yahoo and one other ISP have banded together legally to pursue actions against spammers, may be welcomed by many as one of the more progressive actions of these giant companies. Nevertheless there are contradictions involved. As there are in all things. Whatever

Nader among Arab, Black, Latino Voters

2004-03-11 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
Many Arab-Americans, whose votes are concentrated in the key swing states of Michigan, Florida, Ohio and Pennsylvania, will vote for Ralph Nader -- probably in a higher proportion than they did (13.5%, http://www.aaiusa.org/PDF/AAvoters.pdf) in 2000: * MI, FL, OH, PA Arab American Tracking

The logic of Baghwati's neoliberalism

2004-03-11 Thread Jurriaan Bendien
Just to add to Yoshie's comment: looks to me as though the real finish of neoliberalism is necessarily the extensive privatisation of government debts, but in a specific way. Suppose you have these government institutions, and they have large debts. How then can you balance the budget ? In New

Jagdish Bagwhati and New Zealand's world-historical lesson in petty-bourgeois morality

2004-03-11 Thread Jurriaan Bendien
As a characteristic neoliberal, Bagwhati actually denies economics is a science. If all that is objective about society is actual prices paid, and if there is market uncertainty, then you can never really know what the aggregate effects of market forces will be, and there can be no economic laws,

Re: Russian shadow economy, GDP and Marx's value theory

2004-03-11 Thread Chris Doss
Good job citing Rosbalt! See below. -Original Message- From: Jurriaan Bendien [EMAIL PROTECTED] Of course, the shadow economy would consist both of activities defined as production, and activities consist only of transactions unrelated to real production (transfer incomes), one

Re: [Marxism] A tactical debate

2004-03-11 Thread Louis Proyect
Marvin Gandall wrote: But, anyway, that's not the issue. What's important is less what he did as a opportunist politician running for President, than what he would have done as the incumbent President. You seem to be suggesting that his dissembling means he might have, like Bush, invaded Iraq.

FW: Slate Money: The Social Security Crisis-Solved!

2004-03-11 Thread Devine, James
moneybox The Social Security CrisisSolved! A Democratic economist's miraculous plan. By Daniel Gross Posted Tuesday, March 9, 2004, at 2:24 PM PT This is the fantasy of every Washington politician: You wake up one morning, and the Social Security crisis has vanished. Who knows where it

Re: anti-spamming cartel

2004-03-11 Thread Michael Perelman
Excellent note. I can see how hitting spammers can be a precedent for curtailing real communication. Seeing the big players get together might not be a good sign for the future. -- Michael Perelman Economics Department California State University Chico, CA 95929 Tel. 530-898-5321 E-Mail

Why Chavez remains in power

2004-03-11 Thread Louis Proyect
NY Times, March 11, 2004 The Oil Company as Social Worker By BRIAN ELLSWORTH CRUCERO DEL CARO, Venezuela - Siadys Bayuelo, 33, has spent four years urging local authorities to pipe potable water into her home in this dusty town in eastern Venezuela, sparing her the trouble of walking a mile

Arguing for a more adroit imperialism

2004-03-11 Thread Louis Proyect
George Soros Is the billionaire speculator the Democrats' most powerful weapon? By Sebastian Mallaby Posted Wednesday, March 10, 2004, at 2:17 PM PT Way, way back, when Howard Dean had neither risen nor fallen, George Soros began to plot the sort of speculative bet that has made him a hero and a

Query

2004-03-11 Thread Louis Proyect
The British Labor Party during its pre-WWI socialist phase owned tea plantations in the British colonies, Does anybody have any information or sources on this? -- The Marxism list: www.marxmail.org

Paul Sweezy

2004-03-11 Thread Louis Proyect
Memorial Service for Paul Marlor Sweezy (1910-2004) A memorial service for Paul Sweezy will be held on Saturday, April 17, 3-6pm at Landmark on the Park, 160 Central Park West (at 76th Street). Please call (212) 691-2555 for further details. by John Bellamy Foster Referred to by The Wall

Re: Russian shadow economy, GDP and Marx's value theory

2004-03-11 Thread Devine, James
Chris writes: Because no one knows how much people really earn (this is why, as an aside, regressive income taxation is just not viable in Russia), do you mean progressive income taxation? Jim D.

Re: [Marxism] A tactical debate

2004-03-11 Thread Doug Henwood
Marvin Gandall wrote: If that is your position, you would be saying, against all evidence and logic, that there was a bipartisan consensus for the invasion of Iraq, and all the past year's noise and talk of a split in the US ruling class over the war was just so much malarkey. You don't

Venezuela, Oil, Washington

2004-03-11 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
VenezuelaFOIA.info (by the Venezuela Solidarity Committee/National Venezuela Solidarity Network): http://www.venezuelafoia.info/. *The New York Times, March 11, 2004 Chávez Says U.S. Is Fueling His Enemies By JUAN FORERO CARACAS, Venezuela, March 10 - Under United States pressure to allow

Re: [Marxism] A tactical debate

2004-03-11 Thread Carrol Cox
Doug Henwood wrote: Marvin Gandall wrote: If that is your position, you would be saying, against all evidence and logic, that there was a bipartisan consensus for the invasion of Iraq, and all the past year's noise and talk of a split in the US ruling class over the war was just so much

Mel Gibson to Iran: pithy commentary from the Asia Times

2004-03-11 Thread Jurriaan Bendien
Mel Gibson's Lethal Religion Mel Gibson has laid a cuckoo's egg in the nest of American Christianity. What he has hatched in US cinemas is a quasi-pagan throwback to the sepulchral old-world cult that the United States was set up to oppose. The US is a by-product of the Protestant Reformation's

Mel Gibson splits the Neocons where Marxists failed ?

2004-03-11 Thread Jurriaan Bendien
As ticket sales for the Australian superstar-filmmaker's gory, blood-drenched cinematic interpretation of the last 12 hours of Jesus Christ's life surpassed the US$200 million mark less than two weeks after its Ash Wednesday release, the debate over whether the movie is anti-Semitic in its intent

More conservative Rock-and-Roll stars

2004-03-11 Thread David B. Shemano
Mr. Bendien cited lyrics by Alice Cooper. I thought I would point out that Alice is a born-again Christian with conservative views. Further evidence for my theory that all Rock-and-Roll stars are libertarians. Here is an interview with him where he describes his investment strategy:

Re: More conservative Rock-and-Roll stars

2004-03-11 Thread Devine, James
all Rock-and-Roll stars are libertarians is Bono? Bob Geldof? Jello Biafra? Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://bellarmine.lmu.edu/~jdevine

silver

2004-03-11 Thread Dan Scanlan
Silver has gone over $7 after years of hovering at $3-4. Why? Who's buying? Warren Buffet? China? US government? Does someone think (or know) super inflation is around the corner? Dan Scanlan

Re: silver

2004-03-11 Thread Devine, James
maybe it's a hedge against rising uncertainty in bond equity markets? (is something similar happening with gold?) Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://bellarmine.lmu.edu/~jdevine Silver has gone over $7 after years of hovering at $3-4. Why? Who's buying? Warren

Re: More conservative Rock-and-Roll stars

2004-03-11 Thread David B. Shemano
James Devine writes: all Rock-and-Roll stars are libertarians is Bono? Bob Geldof? Jello Biafra? OK, all American Rock-and-Roll stars are libertarians. Jello Biafra did an album with Mojo Nixon, is for drug legalization and is liked by a lot of libertarians for that and other reasons, so,

Re: More conservative Rock-and-Roll stars

2004-03-11 Thread Michael Perelman
David, are you really a Jello-libertarian or a Cato libertarian? I doubt if Jello is concerned about the liberty of Exxon-Mobil. On Thu, Mar 11, 2004 at 10:47:30AM -0800, David B. Shemano wrote: James Devine writes: all Rock-and-Roll stars are libertarians is Bono? Bob Geldof? Jello

Re: More conservative Rock-and-Roll stars

2004-03-11 Thread Devine, James
I can think of one socialist (moi) who's in favor of drug legalization (or at least medicalization). Unfortunately, I'm not a rock star. BTW, Bob Dylan seems pretty left-wing politically, even though I hear he's an orthodox Jew these days... He's also an American. Jim

Re: More conservative Rock-and-Roll stars

2004-03-11 Thread Gil Skillman
OK, all American Rock-and-Roll stars are libertarians. Bruce Springsteen? Jackson Browne? Rage Against the Machine (as in, members of the former)? Bonnie Raitt? Gil

Re: More conservative Rock-and-Roll stars

2004-03-11 Thread Bill Lear
On Thursday, March 11, 2004 at 14:19:01 (-0500) Gil Skillman writes: OK, all American Rock-and-Roll stars are libertarians. Bruce Springsteen? Jackson Browne? Rage Against the Machine (as in, members of the former)? Bonnie Raitt? Chomsky says he's more or less libertarian socialist. I think

An Argentinian view of the situation there

2004-03-11 Thread michael perelman
Néstor Gorojovsky wrote me ... the IMF has had to accomodate to Argentina's President and his decissions. What you have read is simply the usual leftish rant, the progressive view of those who would rather have a Menem in power so they can easily ride to the bourgeois regime's left. In fact,

Re: More conservative Rock-and-Roll stars

2004-03-11 Thread Devine, James
On Thursday, March 11, 2004 at 14:19:01 (-0500) Gil Skillman writes: OK, all American Rock-and-Roll stars are libertarians. Bruce Springsteen? Jackson Browne? Rage Against the Machine (as in, members of the former)? Bonnie Raitt? Bill writes; Chomsky says he's more or less libertarian socialist.

Lost Boys of the Sudan

2004-03-11 Thread Louis Proyect
Lost Boys of the Sudan tells the poignant story of Peter Dut and Santino Chuor, two teenaged Christian orphans from Sudan's southern regions. Their family was gunned down by federal troops from the Arab/Islamic north in a brutal civil war that has taken more than 2 million lives over the past 20

Re: FW: Slate Money: The Social Security Crisis-Solved!

2004-03-11 Thread Mike Ballard
But the polytricksters keep robbing the fund to pay for the various debts they incur in financing the capitalist State. So, if there's more money in it because of productivity or immigration or whatever, they'll continue to rob us to pay Paul and then say they're broke when it comes time to

'We face climate disaster'

2004-03-11 Thread Mike Ballard
This is LONDON 10/03/04 - News and city section By Ben Leapman, Evening Standard Political Reporter The Government's chief scientist today set out an apocalyptic vision of global warming bringing back the conditions which drove the dinosaurs to extinction. Professor Sir David King told a House

Re: More conservative Rock-and-Roll stars

2004-03-11 Thread Michael Hoover
noticed reference to mojo nixon, second time in couple of weeks, let me try this one time - mojo nixon is (was?) a card carrying member of libertarian party, however, he calls himself a communist libertarian (akin to collectivist anarchist, libertarian socialist, council communist)... one last

Re: More conservative Rock-and-Roll stars

2004-03-11 Thread Michael Hoover
below should have read one more time as i posted info last time rock and roll libertarianism came up on list... [EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/11/04 5:10 PM noticed reference to mojo nixon, second time in couple of weeks, let me try this one time - mojo nixon is (was?) a card carrying member of

Re: More conservative Rock-and-Roll stars

2004-03-11 Thread David B. Shemano
Michael Perelman writes: David, are you really a Jello-libertarian or a Cato libertarian? I doubt if Jello is concerned about the liberty of Exxon-Mobil. I am a Peanut Butter and Jello Libertarian. Actually, I disclaim all labels, except contrarian. Since this list is against liberty for

Re: More conservative Rock-and-Roll stars

2004-03-11 Thread Bill Lear
On Thursday, March 11, 2004 at 12:19:50 (-0800) Devine, James writes: ... Bill writes; Chomsky says he's more or less libertarian socialist. I think Dave has in mind only libertarian corporatists. I think that Dave has a point though. What's commonly called libertarianism (the belief that the

Re: More conservative Rock-and-Roll stars

2004-03-11 Thread Michael Perelman
I wish you well with your liberty. You are a real person. I do not feel that E-M is a real person, but an illigitate creation of state. On Thu, Mar 11, 2004 at 02:11:58PM -0800, David B. Shemano wrote: Michael Perelman writes: David, are you really a Jello-libertarian or a Cato libertarian?

Re: More conservative Rock-and-Roll stars

2004-03-11 Thread Mike Ballard
--- David B. Shemano [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am a Peanut Butter and Jello Libertarian. Actually, I disclaim all labels, except contrarian. Since this list is against liberty for Exxon-Mobil, I am for it. Liberty, equality, fraternity for the gas pumps! Best, Mike B) =

An essay on economic basis of bourgeois risk and gambling culture - parasitism as derivatives, options, swaps, hedge funds etc.

2004-03-11 Thread Jurriaan Bendien
The derivatives market has expanded enormously in recent years, with investment banks selling billions of dollars worth of contracts to capitalists as a way to minimise loss of their capital through unforeseen market fluctuations that could possibly lower its value (what Marx called

Re: More conservative Rock-and-Roll stars

2004-03-11 Thread Doug Henwood
Michael Hoover wrote: one last time, mojo nixon calls himself a communist libertarian... Speaking of which, Michael posted a link to his Lisa Stokes's article on the Gang of Four a few weeks ago: http://www.findarticles.com/cf_dls/m2822/3_22/59117063/p1/article.jhtml?term=. I didn't get a chance

Corporations

2004-03-11 Thread David B. Shemano
Michael Perelman writes: I wish you well with your liberty. You are a real person. I do not feel that E-M is a real person, but an illigitate creation of state. You wish me well with my liberty, but what about my liberty to enter into a series of contracts with other real persons, and

Re: Corporations

2004-03-11 Thread Devine, James
Dave Shemano writes: What is a corporation, but an interlocking series of contracts between real persons? Is this a different David Shemano, who I thought was a lawyer of some sort? Corporations have _limited liability_ which means that that after a certain point (the amount of capital

Re: Corporations

2004-03-11 Thread Bill Lear
On Thursday, March 11, 2004 at 16:06:17 (-0800) David B. Shemano writes: Michael Perelman writes: I wish you well with your liberty. You are a real person. I do not feel that E-M is a real person, but an illigitate creation of state. You wish me well with my liberty, but what about my

Re: Corporations

2004-03-11 Thread Eubulides
- Original Message - From: David B. Shemano [EMAIL PROTECTED] You wish me well with my liberty, but what about my liberty to enter into a series of contracts with other real persons, and calling those interlocking series of contracts a corporation? What is a corporation, but an

Re: Corporations

2004-03-11 Thread Doug Henwood
David B. Shemano wrote: You wish me well with my liberty, but what about my liberty to enter into a series of contracts with other real persons, and calling those interlocking series of contracts a corporation? What is a corporation, but an interlocking series of contracts between real persons?

Re: An essay on economic basis of bourgeois risk and gambling culture - parasitism as derivatives, options, swaps, hedge funds etc.

2004-03-11 Thread Marvin Gandall
Hungarian, but a good essay nonetheless. :) - Original Message - From: Jurriaan Bendien [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2004 6:31 PM Subject: [PEN-L] An essay on economic basis of bourgeois risk and gambling culture - parasitism as derivatives, options,

Re: Corporations

2004-03-11 Thread David B. Shemano
James Devine writes: Is this a different David Shemano, who I thought was a lawyer of some sort? Corporations have _limited liability_ which means that that after a certain point (the amount of capital invested by the stock-holders) the state has declared that the costs of corporate

On the concept of Shemano's interlocks

2004-03-11 Thread Sabri Oncu
Is that not funny! I have been working on a project related with this. Love it dearly. Best, Sabri Here is a related article, although its author was able to show everything I plan to unshow. We will see. Reciprocally Interlocking Boards of Directors and Executive

Re: Corporations

2004-03-11 Thread Eugene Coyle
This interlocking series of contracts has the right of free speech? I think the series of responses Shemano gives in this thread is sillier than neo-classical micro. He describes a total phantasy world, just as the micro theorists do. But the world both try to hide is terribly real. This

Re: Corporations

2004-03-11 Thread Eubulides
- Original Message - From: Eugene Coyle [EMAIL PROTECTED] This interlocking series of contracts has the right of free speech? I think the series of responses Shemano gives in this thread is sillier than neo-classical micro. He describes a total phantasy world, just as the micro

Re: Corporations

2004-03-11 Thread David B. Shemano
Eugene Coyle writes: This interlocking series of contracts has the right of free speech?I think the series of responses Shemano gives in this thread is sillier than neo-classical micro. He describes a total phantasy world, just as the micro theorists do. But the world both try to hide is

Re: Corporations

2004-03-11 Thread Eubulides
- Original Message - From: David B. Shemano [EMAIL PROTECTED] What is that word Marxists like to use to describe unreal objects that people think are real? Fetish? You see a bogeyman called a corporation. You are fetishing the corporation. I see tens, hundreds, thousands of contracts

Re: Corporations

2004-03-11 Thread k hanly
But then with respect to coporations contracts are themselves often between what are persons only qua legal fictions, or between them and individuals rather than anything that could be explained in terms of contracts between individual persons. I have no idea what you mean when you say that a

Russia-China: Putin's next term

2004-03-11 Thread Eubulides
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Central_Asia/FC12Ag01.html Putin to expand strategic partnership with China By Sergei Blagov Mar 12, 2004 MOSCOW - President Vladimir Putin, certain of re-election to a second term, evidently intends to expand Russia's strategic ties with China in military sales and

Re: Corporations

2004-03-11 Thread Eubulides
- Original Message - From: k hanly [EMAIL PROTECTED] But then with respect to coporations contracts are themselves often between what are persons only qua legal fictions, or between them and individuals rather than anything that could be explained in terms of contracts between

Re: Corporations

2004-03-11 Thread k hanly
Corporations don't speak but that does not mean they don't have the right of free speech. Officials (i.e.) real persons sign contracts on behalf of corporations too . Does that mean corporations cannot sign contracts or have rights and obligations flowing from having signed contracts. Note

Re: An essay on economic basis of bourgeois risk and gambling culture - parasitism as derivatives, options, swaps, hedge funds etc.

2004-03-11 Thread Sabri Oncu
Marvin Gandall: Hungarian, but a good essay nonetheless. :) No! It is not a good essay. It is a wonderful demonstration of lack of understanding of derivatives, as the following statement of its author demonstrates: the rate of profit on capital can be significantly higher, and the risk

Re: Corporations

2004-03-11 Thread joanna bujes
David B. Shemano wrote: You see a bogeyman called a corporation. You are fetishing the corporation. I see tens, hundreds, thousands of contracts between real people intended to actualize a real end. So, when I, avoiding immiseration, get a job to work in a corporation, I am entering in a

Re: Russia-China: Putin's next term

2004-03-11 Thread joanna bujes
Say what you will, Putin is a smart guy. Joanna Eubulides wrote: http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Central_Asia/FC12Ag01.html Putin to expand strategic partnership with China By Sergei Blagov Mar 12, 2004

Britain: the greening of prices

2004-03-11 Thread Eubulides
Green policies blamed for jump in bills Power and water sectors warn of steep rises for homes and business may force industry to raise prices David Gow Friday March 12, 2004 The Guardian British households and industry face hefty increases in their water and electricity bills in 2005, the

Re: Corporations

2004-03-11 Thread andie nachgeborenen
This discussion is getting a bit off the rails. Corporations are not legal fictions -- they are legally created entities, no more or less real than contracts. It is a strange species of methodological individualism to deny that they really exist merely because they are constituted out of

Re: Corporations

2004-03-11 Thread Michael Perelman
Gene, I don't think you need to be rude to David. I think that David has participated for some time -- always with good humor. I disagree with him but I still enjoy what he writes from time to time. As for contempt -- I have contempt for Exxon-Mobil. I hardly believe that some grunt working

Re: corporations

2004-03-11 Thread Sabri Oncu
Justin: Moreover one could imagine a market society where, for example, the corporations did not have undemocratic power and wealth, and where the workers managed them themselves. This is an interesting point. I have never been against optimizing objective functions, assuming that

Re: Russian shadow economy, GDP and Marx's value theory

2004-03-11 Thread Chris Doss
Yes, my goof. Impossible to implement when income is unverifiable. do you mean progressive income taxation? Jim D.

Re: Corporations

2004-03-11 Thread Mike Ballard
--- andie nachgeborenen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Moreover one could imagibe a market society where, for eaxmple, the corporations did not have undemocratic power and wealth, and where the workers managed them themselves. Such corporations would be far less problematic than the largest ones

Re: Corporations

2004-03-11 Thread Mike Ballard
--- joanna bujes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: David B. Shemano wrote: So, when I, avoiding immiseration, get a job to work in a corporation, I am entering in a contract over which I have any control? I can bargain for my wage? I can bargain for my vacation? I can bargain for the conditions