Re: [HACKERS] Including Snapshot Info with Indexes

2007-10-22 Thread Gokulakannan Somasundaram
Hi, I have tested with makeing this change and it is showing useful readings. The point of introducing the indexes with snapshot is that it should reduce the number of logical I/Os.(It may be from memory / from hard disk). Logical I/Os are potential Physical I/Os. On 10/20/07, Martijn van

Re: [HACKERS] Ready for beta2?

2007-10-22 Thread Dave Page
Tom Lane wrote: I'm also not totally clear on whether we are happy with the Windows locale situation yet. Comments from the Win32 contingent? I'm happy that UTF-8 support is now working again, but not happy that initdb and pg_control will report (for example) English_United Kingdom.1252

Re: [HACKERS] Ready for beta2?

2007-10-22 Thread Magnus Hagander
On Mon, Oct 22, 2007 at 08:59:07AM +0100, Dave Page wrote: Tom Lane wrote: I'm also not totally clear on whether we are happy with the Windows locale situation yet. Comments from the Win32 contingent? I'm happy that UTF-8 support is now working again, but not happy that initdb and

Re: [HACKERS] Latin vs non-Latin words in text search parsing

2007-10-22 Thread Heikki Linnakangas
Alvaro Herrera wrote: Tom Lane wrote: ISTM that perhaps a more generally useful definition would be lwordOnly ASCII letters nlword Entirely letters per iswalpha(), but not lword word Entirely alphanumeric per iswalnum(), but not nlword

Re: [HACKERS] Latin vs non-Latin words in text search parsing

2007-10-22 Thread Tatsuo Ishii
Alvaro Herrera wrote: Tom Lane wrote: ISTM that perhaps a more generally useful definition would be lword Only ASCII letters nlword Entirely letters per iswalpha(), but not lword word Entirely alphanumeric per iswalnum(), but not nlword

Re: [HACKERS] Ready for beta2?

2007-10-22 Thread Oleg Bartunov
On Mon, 22 Oct 2007, Tom Lane wrote: Marc G. Fournier [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Sunday, October 21, 2007 22:38:04 -0400 Tom Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've posted notes over the past few days about half a dozen relatively- minor-but-none-the-less-initdb-forcing issues in tsearch. We

[HACKERS] FD_SETSIZE limitation in Windows hamstringing pgbench.c

2007-10-22 Thread Gregory Stark
This change in pgbench.c: revision 1.71 date: 2007-08-25 10:21:14 +0100; author: ishii; state: Exp; lines: +7 -2; The upper limit for -c option of pgbench is now obtained from (FD_SETSIZE - 10) rather than a hardwired number. Turns out to be, perhaps, ill-advised on Windows where

Re: [HACKERS] Latin vs non-Latin words in text search parsing

2007-10-22 Thread Gregory Stark
Heikki Linnakangas [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Alvaro Herrera wrote: Tom Lane wrote: ISTM that perhaps a more generally useful definition would be lword Only ASCII letters nlword Entirely letters per iswalpha(), but not lword wordEntirely

Re: [HACKERS] FD_SETSIZE limitation in Windows hamstringing pgbench.c

2007-10-22 Thread Magnus Hagander
On Mon, Oct 22, 2007 at 11:11:47AM +0100, Gregory Stark wrote: This change in pgbench.c: revision 1.71 date: 2007-08-25 10:21:14 +0100; author: ishii; state: Exp; lines: +7 -2; The upper limit for -c option of pgbench is now obtained from (FD_SETSIZE - 10) rather than a

Re: [HACKERS] Ready for beta2?

2007-10-22 Thread Gregory Stark
Oleg Bartunov [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ts_debug is a really debug function and could be changed. Btw, it doesn't supports thesaurus dictionaries, so it should be rewritten in C. I would think things like ts_debug (and ts_stat?) which are handy support modules but not fundamentally part of the

Re: [HACKERS] Ready for beta2?

2007-10-22 Thread Pavel Stehule
2007/10/22, Gregory Stark [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Oleg Bartunov [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ts_debug is a really debug function and could be changed. Btw, it doesn't supports thesaurus dictionaries, so it should be rewritten in C. I would think things like ts_debug (and ts_stat?) which are handy

[HACKERS] PostgreSQL performance issues

2007-10-22 Thread Tiago J. Adami
Hi all, I'm working for a brazillian company developing and maintaining a ERP sw that uses PostgreSQL as it main OLTP database system. We're just to start the migration to IBM DB2 because of many performance issues. I searched the solution for these performance problems, and can't find anything

Re: [HACKERS] Strange error dropping foreign key

2007-10-22 Thread John Parnefjord
2) The constraint doesn't exist on the master, only the slave, so I don't beleive EXECUTE SCRIPT will work, no? No, it does not work. I've tried. // John _ John Parnefjord Samordnare UBIT Utveckling / Coordinator UBIT Development

Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL performance issues

2007-10-22 Thread Heikki Linnakangas
Tiago J. Adami wrote: The issue topics: 1) As the database grows on our customers, lower performance occurs. After one week of use, the I/O on database is extremely high. It appears that VACUUM FULL and/or VACUUM ANALYZE doesn't work on this databases. That sounds like a classic case of

Re: [HACKERS] Ready for beta2?

2007-10-22 Thread Merlin Moncure
On 10/21/07, Josh Berkus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bruce Momjian wrote: We have had very few beta1 issues. I am thinking we should release beta2 next week and perhaps accelerate beta and consider a final release in November rather than December. Because of the length of our feature

Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL performance issues

2007-10-22 Thread Gregory Stark
Tiago J. Adami [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The issue topics: 1) As the database grows on our customers, lower performance occurs. After one week of use, the I/O on database is extremely high. It appears that VACUUM FULL and/or VACUUM ANALYZE doesn't work on this databases. VACUUM FULL is a

Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL performance issues

2007-10-22 Thread Deblauwe Gino
Tiago J. Adami schreef: Hi all, I'm working for a brazillian company developing and maintaining a ERP sw that uses PostgreSQL as it main OLTP database system. We're just to start the migration to IBM DB2 because of many performance issues. I searched the solution for these performance

Re: [HACKERS] Ready for beta2?

2007-10-22 Thread Robert Treat
On Sunday 21 October 2007 22:38, Tom Lane wrote: Joshua D. Drake [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Bruce Momjian wrote: Nothing motivates people to test more than moving toward RC1. ;-) Getting Beta2 out is vital to actually getting people to test there are known issues and changes with Beta1

[HACKERS] pgadmin debug on windows

2007-10-22 Thread Roberto Icardi
Hello, I've installed on a windows xp machine beta 1 of postgresql 8.3 and pgadmin III 1.8. I've loaded a backup of a database from a 8.2.5 machine, for testing purpose, and tried the new functionality of plpgsql debug of functions. But I was disappointed to see that does not work. I try to

Re: [HACKERS] pgadmin debug on windows

2007-10-22 Thread Dave Page
Roberto Icardi wrote: Hello, I've installed on a windows xp machine beta 1 of postgresql 8.3 and pgadmin III 1.8. I've loaded a backup of a database from a 8.2.5 machine, for testing purpose, and tried the new functionality of plpgsql debug of functions. But I was disappointed to see

Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL performance issues

2007-10-22 Thread Cédric Villemain
Gregory Stark a écrit : Tiago J. Adami [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The issue topics: 1) As the database grows on our customers, lower performance occurs. After one week of use, the I/O on database is extremely high. It appears that VACUUM FULL and/or VACUUM ANALYZE doesn't work on this

Re: [HACKERS] Ready for beta2?

2007-10-22 Thread Magnus Hagander
On Mon, Oct 22, 2007 at 09:25:03AM -0400, Robert Treat wrote: On Sunday 21 October 2007 22:38, Tom Lane wrote: Joshua D. Drake [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Bruce Momjian wrote: Nothing motivates people to test more than moving toward RC1. ;-) Getting Beta2 out is vital to actually

Re: [HACKERS] pgadmin debug on windows

2007-10-22 Thread Roberto Icardi
Dave, the problem isn't with a particular function. Debug does not work with every function I try, even with the simplest one, always with the same behaviour I've previously explained. I repeat, my postgresql server is an 8.3 beta 1 installed on the same machine where pgadmin III 1.8 is

Re: [HACKERS] ECPG crash - upgrade from 8.0.3 to 8.1.10

2007-10-22 Thread Boergesson, Cheryl
The program below works with PostgreSQL 8.0.3, but not 8.1.10. The error I receive is: Runtime Error! Program: C:\testSQL.exe This application has requested the Runtime to terminate it in an unusual way. Please contact the application's support team for more information. This

Re: [HACKERS] pgadmin debug on windows

2007-10-22 Thread Dave Page
Roberto Icardi wrote: Dave, the problem isn't with a particular function. Debug does not work with every function I try, even with the simplest one, always with the same behaviour I've previously explained. I repeat, my postgresql server is an 8.3 beta 1 installed on the same machine

Re: [HACKERS] Ready for beta2?

2007-10-22 Thread Tom Lane
Magnus Hagander [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Mon, Oct 22, 2007 at 08:59:07AM +0100, Dave Page wrote: From chatting with Magnus, I believe he'd support losing the .1252 or leaving it as is, where I'd rather rewrite it to .65001 (which he does not support). I'm not against stripping the .1252

Re: [HACKERS] pgadmin debug on windows

2007-10-22 Thread Roberto Icardi
Yes, they are all there I've also tried on a newly created database instead of testing on a restored from 8.2. backup but with the same behaviour :-( - Original Message - From: Dave Page [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Roberto Icardi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org

Re: [HACKERS] Ready for beta2?

2007-10-22 Thread Dimitri Fontaine
Le lundi 22 octobre 2007, Robert Treat a écrit : There was talk that the txid contrib module could be folded into core should we do an initdb post beta; has that idea been revisted now that we have? It very well seem to have been integrated into core:

Re: [HACKERS] Ready for beta2?

2007-10-22 Thread Dave Page
Tom Lane wrote: Magnus Hagander [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Mon, Oct 22, 2007 at 08:59:07AM +0100, Dave Page wrote: From chatting with Magnus, I believe he'd support losing the .1252 or leaving it as is, where I'd rather rewrite it to .65001 (which he does not support). I'm not against

Re: [HACKERS] Latin vs non-Latin words in text search parsing

2007-10-22 Thread Tom Lane
Heikki Linnakangas [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Alvaro Herrera wrote: lwordEntirely letters per iswalpha, with at least one ASCII nlword Entirely letters per iswalpha word Entirely alphanumeric per iswalnum, but not nlword I don't like this categorization

Re: [HACKERS] pgadmin debug on windows

2007-10-22 Thread Dave Page
Roberto Icardi wrote: Yes, they are all there I've also tried on a newly created database instead of testing on a restored from 8.2. backup but with the same behaviour :-( Please post the definition of an affected function, along with the output from the following queries: select * from

Re: [HACKERS] Ready for beta2?

2007-10-22 Thread Magnus Hagander
On Mon, Oct 22, 2007 at 03:18:38PM +0100, Dave Page wrote: Tom Lane wrote: Magnus Hagander [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Mon, Oct 22, 2007 at 08:59:07AM +0100, Dave Page wrote: From chatting with Magnus, I believe he'd support losing the .1252 or leaving it as is, where I'd rather rewrite

[HACKERS] IN vs EXISTS equivalence

2007-10-22 Thread Kevin Grittner
I've requested this before without response, but I'm asking again because it just caused me pain again: could we get a TODO added to have the planner recognize equivalent IN and EXISTS constructs and have them compete on cost estimates? I know it's not a trivial improvement, but if it's on the

Re: [HACKERS] Latin vs non-Latin words in text search parsing

2007-10-22 Thread Tom Lane
Gregory Stark [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Heikki Linnakangas [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I like the aword name more than lword, BTW. If we change the meaning of the classes, surely we can change the name as well, right? I'm not very familiar with the use case here. Is there a good reason to want

Re: [HACKERS] pgadmin debug on windows

2007-10-22 Thread Roberto Icardi
Please post the definition of an affected function, along with the output from the following queries: select * from pldbg_get_proxy_info(); select * from pldbg_get_target_info('16480', 'o'); (where 16480 is replaced with the oid of the affected function). Thanks, Dave CREATE OR REPLACE

Re: [HACKERS] [GENERAL] 8.2.3: Server crashes on Windows using Eclipse/Junit

2007-10-22 Thread Trevor Talbot
On 10/21/07, Magnus Hagander [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I tried generating idle connections in an effort to reproduce Laurent's problem, but I ran into a local limit instead: for each backend, postmaster creates a thread and burns 4MB of its 2GB address space. It fails around 490. Oh,

Re: [HACKERS] Ready for beta2?

2007-10-22 Thread Tom Lane
Magnus Hagander [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: As I chatted with Dave about - wnat encoding? We pull that value cluster wide, but the encoding is per-database. You could have one UTF8 and one WIN1252 database... Will chklocale.c actually allow that? Should it? We've spent a lot of time zeroed in

Re: [HACKERS] MVCC, undo log, and HOT

2007-10-22 Thread Bruce Momjian
Joshua D. Drake wrote: Josh Berkus wrote: Bruce Momjian wrote: Those who have been with the community from long ago might remember discussion about implementing a undo log. The big advantage of this is that it allows UPDATE to _replace_ rows and limits the amount of cleanup required

Re: [HACKERS] Ready for beta2?

2007-10-22 Thread Magnus Hagander
On Mon, Oct 22, 2007 at 10:55:14AM -0400, Tom Lane wrote: Magnus Hagander [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: As I chatted with Dave about - wnat encoding? We pull that value cluster wide, but the encoding is per-database. You could have one UTF8 and one WIN1252 database... Will chklocale.c

Re: [HACKERS] pgadmin debug on windows

2007-10-22 Thread Dave Page
Roberto Icardi wrote: CREATE OR REPLACE FUNCTION public.prova(provain character varying) RETURNS character varying AS $BODY$ begin if (provain = 'A') then return 'INVALIDO'; else return 'VALIDO'; end if; end; $BODY$ LANGUAGE 'plpgsql' VOLATILE COST 100; ALTER FUNCTION

Re: [HACKERS] Ready for beta2?

2007-10-22 Thread Joshua D. Drake
On Mon, 22 Oct 2007 12:07:06 +0100 Gregory Stark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oleg Bartunov [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ts_debug is a really debug function and could be changed. Btw, it doesn't supports thesaurus dictionaries, so it should be rewritten in C. I would think things like

Re: [HACKERS] pgadmin debug on windows

2007-10-22 Thread Roberto Icardi
- Original Message - From: Roberto Icardi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Dave Page [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 5:31 PM Subject: Re: [HACKERS] pgadmin debug on windows When you attempt to debug it, do you see the parameter dialogue before it crashes, or does it go

[HACKERS] Problem

2007-10-22 Thread Pedro Belmino
Hello, I have a problem. Because some changes I made in the implementation of the creation of indexes at the time that I try to insert an index is the following error: bogus pg_index tuple What can be happening? Thank, -- Pedro Belmino.

Re: [HACKERS] Problem

2007-10-22 Thread Heikki Linnakangas
Pedro Belmino wrote: I have a problem. Because some changes I made in the implementation of the creation of indexes at the time that I try to insert an index is the following error: bogus pg_index tuple What can be happening? Obviously you broke something with the changes. That error message

[HACKERS] modify the PostgreSQL Setup Wizard

2007-10-22 Thread KATH
Hello, Yes, I've searched though the archives and can't seem to find the answer I'm looking for. I would like to modify the PostgreSQL Setup Wizard to only display certain options. Only provide the user with one option as oppose to a number. i.e. Driver: ODBC. Which directory are

Re: [HACKERS] MVCC, undo log, and HOT

2007-10-22 Thread Josh Berkus
Bruce, We never actually considred undo, but high UPDATE activity was one of the areas we historically handled poorly compared to undo systems, and undo would have been one way to improve that area. I think with HOT we have improved high UPDATE activity enough that the undo benefits are no

Re: [HACKERS] modify the PostgreSQL Setup Wizard

2007-10-22 Thread Josh Berkus
Kath, Which directory are the files located in, after having successfully installed PostgreSQL on my PC. How can I access the source code of these files? Is it possible to extract the files from postgresql-8.2.exe windows installer package? You need to join the mailing list of the

Re: [HACKERS] IN vs EXISTS equivalence

2007-10-22 Thread Simon Riggs
On Mon, 2007-10-22 at 09:31 -0500, Kevin Grittner wrote: I've requested this before without response, but I'm asking again because it just caused me pain again: could we get a TODO added to have the planner recognize equivalent IN and EXISTS constructs and have them compete on cost estimates?

[HACKERS] Feature Freeze date for 8.4

2007-10-22 Thread Simon Riggs
For planning purposes, I think its always a good idea to lay down some dates for the next lot of development milestones. These can be provisional, until declared solid later. So: When is the next Feature Freeze? Is it March 31? If not, when? I know the answer is too early to tell for certain,

Re: [HACKERS] [GENERAL] 8.2.3: Server crashes on Windows using Eclipse/Junit

2007-10-22 Thread Magnus Hagander
Florian Weimer wrote: * Magnus Hagander: Oh, that's interesting. That's actually a sideeffect of us increasing the stack size for the postgres.exe executable in order to work on other things. By default, it burns 1MB/thread, but ours will do 4MB. Never really thought of the problem that

Re: [HACKERS] Feature Freeze date for 8.4

2007-10-22 Thread Joshua D. Drake
On Mon, 22 Oct 2007 19:43:28 +0100 Simon Riggs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For planning purposes, I think its always a good idea to lay down some dates for the next lot of development milestones. These can be provisional, until declared solid later. We can't not realistically consider this until

Re: [HACKERS] rolcanlogin vs. the flat password file

2007-10-22 Thread Magnus Hagander
Magnus Hagander wrote: On Wed, Oct 17, 2007 at 11:27:10AM -0400, Tom Lane wrote: Heikki Linnakangas [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: There's legitimate use for creating a role with NOLOGIN and a password. If we think that, then we shouldn't have a message at all. At least if we think it's more

Re: [HACKERS] [GENERAL] 8.2.3: Server crashes on Windows using Eclipse/Junit

2007-10-22 Thread Florian Weimer
* Magnus Hagander: Oh, that's interesting. That's actually a sideeffect of us increasing the stack size for the postgres.exe executable in order to work on other things. By default, it burns 1MB/thread, but ours will do 4MB. Never really thought of the problem that it'll run out of address

Re: [HACKERS] Hash index todo list item

2007-10-22 Thread Kenneth Marshall
On Thu, Sep 13, 2007 at 02:02:14PM -0700, Neil Conway wrote: On Fri, 2007-09-07 at 08:29 -0500, Kenneth Marshall wrote: This is a great starting point. I would appreciate it if you have the time and could make it apply cleanly to HEAD. Just to give you an update on this, I'll try to find

Re: [HACKERS] Feature Freeze date for 8.4

2007-10-22 Thread Simon Riggs
On Mon, 2007-10-22 at 11:53 -0700, Joshua D. Drake wrote: On Mon, 22 Oct 2007 19:43:28 +0100 Simon Riggs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For planning purposes, I think its always a good idea to lay down some dates for the next lot of development milestones. These can be provisional, until

Re: [HACKERS] [GENERAL] 8.2.3: Server crashes on Windows using Eclipse/Junit

2007-10-22 Thread Magnus Hagander
Trevor Talbot wrote: On 10/21/07, Magnus Hagander [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I tried generating idle connections in an effort to reproduce Laurent's problem, but I ran into a local limit instead: for each backend, postmaster creates a thread and burns 4MB of its 2GB address space. It fails

Re: [HACKERS] pgadmin debug on windows

2007-10-22 Thread Dave Page
Roberto Icardi wrote: When you attempt to debug it, do you see the parameter dialogue before it crashes, or does it go immediately? if I try debug-debug it goes immediately if I try debug-set breakpoint I can see debugger window but is completely empty and inactive Also, please set

Re: [HACKERS] Feature Freeze date for 8.4

2007-10-22 Thread Josh Berkus
Simon, We can issue a provisional date. We could also say at least 6 months after release date of 8.3. I'm sure there's other options too. I'm going to suggest 4 months after 8.3. 8.3 was supposed to be a *short* release so that we could move our calendar around. HOT and some of the other

Re: [HACKERS] Feature Freeze date for 8.4

2007-10-22 Thread Alvaro Herrera
Josh Berkus wrote: In fact, I could see doing a no-catalog-changes, no major patches we don't already know about, 6-month release. It would reset our cycle and get PL/proxy, DSM, clustered indexes, etc. out the door. It could mean turning away patches which look attractive, though, so

Re: [HACKERS] Feature Freeze date for 8.4

2007-10-22 Thread Andrew Dunstan
Josh Berkus wrote: So my thought is, shoot for a short release so that we can get away from summer consolidations and December releases, and extend the cycle if someone dumps another 50,000 lines of attractive patches on us. Before we settle on any dates I think we should have some

Re: [HACKERS] Feature Freeze date for 8.4

2007-10-22 Thread Joshua D. Drake
On Mon, 22 Oct 2007 16:47:41 -0300 Alvaro Herrera [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Josh Berkus wrote: In fact, I could see doing a no-catalog-changes, no major patches we don't already know about, 6-month release. It would reset our cycle and get PL/proxy, DSM, clustered indexes, etc. out the

Re: [HACKERS] [GENERAL] 8.2.3: Server crashes on Windows using Eclipse/Junit

2007-10-22 Thread Trevor Talbot
On 10/22/07, Magnus Hagander [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Trevor Talbot wrote: I'd probably take the approach of combining win32_waitpid() and threads. You'd end up with 1 thread per 64 backends; when something interesting happens the thread could push the info onto a queue, which the new

Re: [HACKERS] [GENERAL] 8.2.3: Server crashes on Windows using Eclipse/Junit

2007-10-22 Thread Tom Lane
Magnus Hagander [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I was planning to make it even easier and let Windows do the job for us, just using RegisterWaitForSingleObject(). Does the same - one thread per 64 backends, but we don't have to deal with the queueing ourselves. Should be rather trivial to do. How

Re: [HACKERS] Feature Freeze date for 8.4

2007-10-22 Thread Tom Lane
Joshua D. Drake [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Alvaro Herrera [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ah, you mean like we planned for 8.0 and failed, then for 8.1 and failed, then for 8.2 and failed, then for 8.3 and failed? I can definitely support that idea. As I recall 8.0 and 8.1 actually went pretty

Re: [HACKERS] [GENERAL] 8.2.3: Server crashes on Windows using Eclipse/Junit

2007-10-22 Thread Trevor Talbot
On 10/22/07, Tom Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Magnus Hagander [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I was planning to make it even easier and let Windows do the job for us, just using RegisterWaitForSingleObject(). Does the same - one thread per 64 backends, but we don't have to deal with the queueing

Re: [HACKERS] [GENERAL] 8.2.3: Server crashes on Windows using Eclipse/Junit

2007-10-22 Thread Magnus Hagander
Tom Lane wrote: Magnus Hagander [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I was planning to make it even easier and let Windows do the job for us, just using RegisterWaitForSingleObject(). Does the same - one thread per 64 backends, but we don't have to deal with the queueing ourselves. Should be rather

Re: [HACKERS] rolcanlogin vs. the flat password file

2007-10-22 Thread Tom Lane
Magnus Hagander [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Heikki Linnakangas [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: At least if we think it's more than a very narrow legitimate use, compared to the number of ppl making the mistake. Did we ever come to a conclusion on this or not? I've changed my patch per the

Re: [HACKERS] Feature Freeze date for 8.4

2007-10-22 Thread Gregory Stark
Tom Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In point of fact, the big patches that aren't in 8.3 were rejected because they weren't ready. They won't get into 8.4, either, unless someone does a lot more work on them. So I don't follow this idea of how we have a pre-loaded queue of good stuff all

Re: [HACKERS] dblink un-named connection doesn't get re-used

2007-10-22 Thread Hannu Krosing
Ühel kenal päeval, R, 2007-10-19 kell 15:42, kirjutas Joe Conway: Decibel! wrote: On Oct 18, 2007, at 11:17 PM, Joe Conway wrote: Seriously though, I can change it for 8.3, but is it really worth back-patching? I think it'd be worth changing for 8.3. While C forces you to worry

Re: [HACKERS] IN vs EXISTS equivalence

2007-10-22 Thread Kevin Grittner
On Mon, Oct 22, 2007 at 1:30 PM, in message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Simon Riggs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 2007-10-22 at 09:31 -0500, Kevin Grittner wrote: I've requested this before without response, but I'm asking again because it just caused me pain again: could we get a TODO added to

Re: [HACKERS] [GENERAL] 8.2.3: Server crashes on Windows using Eclipse/Junit

2007-10-22 Thread Tom Lane
Magnus Hagander [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: We're not talking about the backends, we're talking about the backend waiter threads whose sole purpose is to wait for a backend to die and then raise a signal when it does. Oh, OK, I had not twigged to exactly what the threads were being used for.

Re: [HACKERS] IN vs EXISTS equivalence

2007-10-22 Thread Kevin Grittner
On Mon, Oct 22, 2007 at 4:37 PM, in message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Kevin Grittner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One more logically equivalent, PostgreSQL-specific form which costs out even better was suggested off-list: Oops. That is not logically equivalent. We want to delete WHERE NOT EXISTS;

Re: [HACKERS] Feature Freeze date for 8.4

2007-10-22 Thread Chris Browne
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Josh Berkus) writes: Simon, We can issue a provisional date. We could also say at least 6 months after release date of 8.3. I'm sure there's other options too. I'm going to suggest 4 months after 8.3. 8.3 was supposed to be a *short* release so that we could move our

Re: [HACKERS] Feature Freeze date for 8.4

2007-10-22 Thread Tom Lane
Andrew Dunstan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Before we settle on any dates I think we should have some discussion about how we can shorten the period between feature freeze and beta, which was far too long this time. Perhaps we need to be more aggressive about what what makes the cut and what

Re: [HACKERS] Feature Freeze date for 8.4

2007-10-22 Thread Tom Lane
Chris Browne [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Josh Berkus) writes: In fact, I could see doing a no-catalog-changes, no major patches we don't already know about, 6-month release. It would reset our cycle and get PL/proxy, DSM, clustered indexes, etc. out the door. It could

Re: [HACKERS] MVCC, undo log, and HOT

2007-10-22 Thread Bruce Momjian
Josh Berkus wrote: Bruce, We never actually considred undo, but high UPDATE activity was one of the areas we historically handled poorly compared to undo systems, and undo would have been one way to improve that area. I think with HOT we have improved high UPDATE activity enough that

Re: [HACKERS] MVCC, undo log, and HOT

2007-10-22 Thread Andrew Dunstan
Bruce Momjian wrote: Josh Berkus wrote: Bruce, We never actually considred undo, but high UPDATE activity was one of the areas we historically handled poorly compared to undo systems, and undo would have been one way to improve that area. I think with HOT we have improved high