Re: [Pharo-dev] TxText new version 0.8

2013-05-22 Thread Norbert Hartl
Am 23.05.2013 um 02:35 schrieb Igor Stasenko : > ProjectName-Core > ProjectName-Extras > ProjectName-Tests That approach has a limited scope. Because we match by prefix you have to do -Core and not just ProjectName. In a decent amount of projects -Core and -Extras will grow and you will have t

Re: [Pharo-dev] could we rename ensureDeleted into ensureDelete?

2013-05-22 Thread Norbert Hartl
Am 23.05.2013 um 07:43 schrieb stephane ducasse : > I disagree and this is not coherent with the ensureFile and ensureDirectory > What does it mean anyway? File and Directory are things, delete is an action/verb and deleted is a state. To me the only one that makes sense is that you can ensur

Re: [Pharo-dev] TxText new version 0.8

2013-05-22 Thread Tudor Girba
Yes, I think this is good at this point. When the mapping will disappear, things will become simpler. Doru On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 8:11 AM, Denis Kudriashov wrote: > 2013/5/22 Tudor Girba > >> So, the pattern I know of is to put the Tests as a discriminator before >> the variable part of your

Re: [Pharo-dev] TxText new version 0.8

2013-05-22 Thread Denis Kudriashov
2013/5/22 Tudor Girba > So, the pattern I know of is to put the Tests as a discriminator before > the variable part of your code. So, something like: > - BaseName-Core > - BaseName-Tests-Core > It is exactly my pattern but with dash before Tests word: -TxText-Model -TxTextTests-Model

Re: [Pharo-dev] TxText new version 0.8

2013-05-22 Thread Denis Kudriashov
2013/5/23 Igor Stasenko > i stand corrected.. actually i meant following composition: > > ProjectName-Core > ProjectName-Extras > ProjectName-Tests > And what names should be for packages to split tests of Core and Extras? Because I want to load only ProjectName-Core with tests withour Extras st

Re: [Pharo-dev] MC Filetree -- missing FiletreeURL ?

2013-05-22 Thread stephane ducasse
> > I would _love_ to be able to use Smalltalk at work. Until it can work > properly with git, and people can use their own text editors (vim, > emacs, sublime), and quite a few other bits and pieces, it's just a > non-starter. it will happen. I'm sure :) > I _like_ Pharo, and I _like_ how it ha

Re: [Pharo-dev] [squeak-dev] Re: MC should really write snaphsot/source.st in UTF8

2013-05-22 Thread stephane ducasse
>> > > For Pharo, I'd guess so, too. > > (I heard that the Japanese support is pretty much dropped in Pharo.) Probably because none of us has the knowledge to understand how it works and see the problems. > > -- > -- Yoshiki >

Re: [Pharo-dev] MC should really write snaphsot/source.st in UTF8

2013-05-22 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
+ 1000 :) On May 22, 2013, at 11:16 PM, Nicolas Cellier wrote: > First thing would be to simplify #setConverterForCode and > #selectTextConverterForCode. > Do we still want to use a MacRomanTextConverter, seriously? I'm not even sure > I've got that many files with that encoding on my Mac-OS

Re: [Pharo-dev] Messy Configurations

2013-05-22 Thread stephane ducasse
On May 23, 2013, at 4:22 AM, Alexandre Bergel wrote: > >> What do you think? > > I think we should have a stable and strong Versionner. As soon as making a > software release is more than clicking one button, we will end up with messy > configurations. Yes christophe worked on porting travi

Re: [Pharo-dev] TxText new version 0.8

2013-05-22 Thread stephane ducasse
>> >> > i stand corrected.. actually i meant following composition: > > ProjectName-Core > ProjectName-Extras > ProjectName-Tests Yes something simple!! > > no 3-4 levels of tick-tacks (but i love to use subcategories inside a > package, i.e.

Re: [Pharo-dev] could we rename ensureDeleted into ensureDelete?

2013-05-22 Thread stephane ducasse
I disagree and this is not coherent with the ensureFile and ensureDirectory On May 22, 2013, at 10:33 PM, Sean P. DeNigris wrote: > Camillo Bruni-3 wrote >> because it is the final state, the file is deleted. >> it emerged out of a longer discussion with sean, mariano and me I think > > Yes, we

Re: [Pharo-dev] FileSystem inconsistency

2013-05-22 Thread stephane ducasse
We should talk when I'm back but my point is that deleting an nonexisting file should raise an error, if deleting an non existig folder does. >> Hi >> >> I'm doing a pass on the FileSystem chapter (yes you know the documentation >> that nobody write but everybody >> wants to read), I'm updat

Re: [Pharo-dev] [squeak-dev] Re: MC should really write snaphsot/source.st in UTF8

2013-05-22 Thread Yoshiki Ohshima
On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 3:57 PM, Nicolas Cellier wrote: > MC never wrote a BOM, so we don't have to be compatible with BOM. > > If we can simplify the process, let's simplify, because maintaining useless > compatibility costs, the code is really crooked by now, and this leads to > mis-understandin

Re: [Pharo-dev] [squeak-dev] Re: MC should really write snaphsot/source.st in UTF8

2013-05-22 Thread Yoshiki Ohshima
On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 2:16 PM, Nicolas Cellier wrote: > First thing would be to simplify #setConverterForCode and > #selectTextConverterForCode. > Do we still want to use a MacRomanTextConverter, seriously? I'm not even > sure I've got that many files with that encoding on my Mac-OSX... > Do we

Re: [Pharo-dev] Messy Configurations

2013-05-22 Thread Alexandre Bergel
> What do you think? I think we should have a stable and strong Versionner. As soon as making a software release is more than clicking one button, we will end up with messy configurations. Alexandre -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^

Re: [Pharo-dev] MC Filetree -- missing FiletreeURL ?

2013-05-22 Thread Igor Stasenko
On 22 May 2013 21:12, Frank Shearar wrote: > On 22 May 2013 18:29, Sven Van Caekenberghe wrote: >> Frank, >> >> On 22 May 2013, at 14:55, Frank Shearar wrote: >> >>> On 22 May 2013 13:44, Camillo Bruni wrote: On 2013-05-22, at 14:36, Frank Shearar wrote: > On 22 May 2013 13:

Re: [Pharo-dev] TxText new version 0.8

2013-05-22 Thread Igor Stasenko
On 23 May 2013 02:38, Igor Stasenko wrote: > On 22 May 2013 22:16, Camillo Bruni wrote: >> >> On 2013-05-22, at 22:11, Denis Kudriashov wrote: >> >>> 2013/5/22 Camillo Bruni >>> On 2013-05-22, at 21:04, Tudor Girba wrote: > Hi, > > On May 22, 2013, at 5:33 PM, Igor S

Re: [Pharo-dev] TxText new version 0.8

2013-05-22 Thread Igor Stasenko
On 22 May 2013 22:16, Camillo Bruni wrote: > > On 2013-05-22, at 22:11, Denis Kudriashov wrote: > >> 2013/5/22 Camillo Bruni >> >>> >>> On 2013-05-22, at 21:04, Tudor Girba wrote: >>> Hi, On May 22, 2013, at 5:33 PM, Igor Stasenko wrote: > On 22 May 2013 10:38, Stéphane

Re: [Pharo-dev] TxText new version 0.8

2013-05-22 Thread Igor Stasenko
On 22 May 2013 21:04, Tudor Girba wrote: > Hi, > > On May 22, 2013, at 5:33 PM, Igor Stasenko wrote: > >> On 22 May 2013 10:38, Stéphane Ducasse wrote: >>> I would use >>> >>> TextModelCore >>> TextModelExtensions >>> >>> TextModelCore-Tests >>> >>> No extra dash in the middle. >> >> no :) >

Re: [Pharo-dev] clean, please[SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

2013-05-22 Thread Stephen Taylor
On Wed, 2013-05-22 at 14:06 -0400, Paul Davidowitz wrote: > I was referring to text used in this mailing list, particularly words of > the form *u** aunt? bulb? cute? dump? euro? fuzz? gums? huge? iuds? junk? luck? much? null? ouch? pulp? quag? (marsh or bog, so the dictionary says) ruby? suet?

Re: [Pharo-dev] [squeak-dev] Re: MC should really write snaphsot/source.st in UTF8

2013-05-22 Thread Nicolas Cellier
MC never wrote a BOM, so we don't have to be compatible with BOM. If we can simplify the process, let's simplify, because maintaining useless compatibility costs, the code is really crooked by now, and this leads to mis-understanding, and soon to broken features and noise. Currently, snapshot/sour

Re: [Pharo-dev] MC Filetree -- missing FiletreeURL ?

2013-05-22 Thread Frank Shearar
On 22 May 2013 20:37, Camillo Bruni wrote: >>> Sven >>> >>> PS: I occasionally read the Squeak mailing and I see the work that you are >>> doing and it is impressive. Your attitude, approach and drive remind me of >>> the many Pharo developers. I would not dream of convincing you, but IMHO >>>

Re: [Pharo-dev] MC should really write snaphsot/source.st in UTF8

2013-05-22 Thread Nicolas Cellier
That sounds good. We could even try to fallback to UT-32 if we encounter zeros (but his should be very rare...). For write, ZipArchive are un-aware of any encoding... They use latin1. In Squeak, I could place some squeakToUTF8 sends in MCMczWriter, and equivalent UTF8TextConverter in Pharo #serial

Re: [Pharo-dev] MC should really write snaphsot/source.st in UTF8

2013-05-22 Thread Norbert Hartl
Am 22.05.2013 um 23:16 schrieb Nicolas Cellier : > First thing would be to simplify #setConverterForCode and > #selectTextConverterForCode. > Do we still want to use a MacRomanTextConverter, seriously? I'm not even sure > I've got that many files with that encoding on my Mac-OSX... > Do we re

Re: [Pharo-dev] MC should really write snaphsot/source.st in UTF8

2013-05-22 Thread Norbert Hartl
+1 Am 22.05.2013 um 22:57 schrieb Nicolas Cellier : > http://stackoverflow.com/questions/16645848/squeak-monticello-character-encoding > Let's kill this one, it's totally insane

Re: [Pharo-dev] MC should really write snaphsot/source.st in UTF8

2013-05-22 Thread Nicolas Cellier
First thing would be to simplify #setConverterForCode and #selectTextConverterForCode. Do we still want to use a MacRomanTextConverter, seriously? I'm not even sure I've got that many files with that encoding on my Mac-OSX... Do we really need to put a ByteOrderMark for UTF-8, seriously? See http:/

Re: [Pharo-dev] clean, please

2013-05-22 Thread Norbert Hartl
Am 22.05.2013 um 20:06 schrieb Paul Davidowitz : > I was referring to text used in this mailing list, particularly words of > the form *u** > I like to agree that using them shouldn't be a common case. I don't have a problem if there are rare occurrences of them. And I see this list that way.

[Pharo-dev] MC should really write snaphsot/source.st in UTF8

2013-05-22 Thread Nicolas Cellier
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/16645848/squeak-monticello-character-encoding Let's kill this one, it's totally insane

Re: [Pharo-dev] could we rename ensureDeleted into ensureDelete?

2013-05-22 Thread Sean P. DeNigris
Camillo Bruni-3 wrote > because it is the final state, the file is deleted. > it emerged out of a longer discussion with sean, mariano and me I think Yes, we discussed thoroughly in the ml [1] (you were a part, but it was a while back). The objection, which I came to agree with, was that you're no

Re: [Pharo-dev] TxText new version 0.8

2013-05-22 Thread Denis Kudriashov
2013/5/23 Camillo Bruni > > On 2013-05-22, at 22:11, Denis Kudriashov wrote: > > > 2013/5/22 Camillo Bruni > > > >> > >> On 2013-05-22, at 21:04, Tudor Girba wrote: > >> > >>> Hi, > >>> > >>> On May 22, 2013, at 5:33 PM, Igor Stasenko wrote: > >>> > On 22 May 2013 10:38, Stéphane Ducasse

Re: [Pharo-dev] whitespace theme (work in progress)

2013-05-22 Thread Sven Van Caekenberghe
Yes, yes, cool ! Excellent experiment. On 22 May 2013, at 22:09, Tudor Girba wrote: > Hi, > > I just wanted to let you know that I started to work on a Pharo theme that > maximizes whitespace. > > It is based on the default Glamour theme, but it is even simpler. It is still > a work in prog

Re: [Pharo-dev] TxText new version 0.8

2013-05-22 Thread Camillo Bruni
On 2013-05-22, at 22:11, Denis Kudriashov wrote: > 2013/5/22 Camillo Bruni > >> >> On 2013-05-22, at 21:04, Tudor Girba wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> On May 22, 2013, at 5:33 PM, Igor Stasenko wrote: >>> On 22 May 2013 10:38, Stéphane Ducasse >> wrote: > I would use > > Te

Re: [Pharo-dev] TxText new version 0.8

2013-05-22 Thread Denis Kudriashov
2013/5/22 Camillo Bruni > > On 2013-05-22, at 21:04, Tudor Girba wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > On May 22, 2013, at 5:33 PM, Igor Stasenko wrote: > > > >> On 22 May 2013 10:38, Stéphane Ducasse > wrote: > >>> I would use > >>> > >>> TextModelCore > >>> TextModelExtensions > >>> > >>> TextModelCore-T

[Pharo-dev] whitespace theme (work in progress)

2013-05-22 Thread Tudor Girba
Hi, I just wanted to let you know that I started to work on a Pharo theme that maximizes whitespace. It is based on the default Glamour theme, but it is even simpler. It is still a work in progress as several things I would like to achieve are not easily possible with the existing morphs' impl

Re: [Pharo-dev] TxText new version 0.8

2013-05-22 Thread Denis Kudriashov
2013/5/22 Igor Stasenko > On 22 May 2013 10:38, Stéphane Ducasse wrote: > > I would use > > > > TextModelCore > > TextModelExtensions > > > > TextModelCore-Tests > > > > No extra dash in the middle. > > no :) > > But for tests, i +1, the names are not very good. > For package: > > Package-Na

Re: [Pharo-dev] clean, please

2013-05-22 Thread p...@highoctane.be
Shut the f.ck up dammit. Le 22 mai 2013 21:41, "Camillo Bruni" a écrit : > the fucking code of course! > > On 2013-05-22, at 19:53, Sven Van Caekenberghe wrote: > > The kitchen, the living room ? > > > > On 22 May 2013, at 19:49, Igor Stasenko wrote: > > > >> On 22 May 2013 19:41, Paul Davidowi

Re: [Pharo-dev] clean, please

2013-05-22 Thread Camillo Bruni
On 2013-05-22, at 21:47, Sven Van Caekenberghe wrote: > Haha, maybe we should switch to swearing in other languages to honour the > international character of the community ? nuff trolling for today :P > But, yes, clean code is paramount ! > > To come back to a previous discussion: clean cod

Re: [Pharo-dev] clean, please

2013-05-22 Thread Sven Van Caekenberghe
Haha, maybe we should switch to swearing in other languages to honour the international character of the community ? But, yes, clean code is paramount ! To come back to a previous discussion: clean code and good design are more important than method comments, class comments are indispensable IM

Re: [Pharo-dev] clean, please

2013-05-22 Thread Camillo Bruni
the fucking code of course! On 2013-05-22, at 19:53, Sven Van Caekenberghe wrote: > The kitchen, the living room ? > > On 22 May 2013, at 19:49, Igor Stasenko wrote: > >> On 22 May 2013 19:41, Paul Davidowitz wrote: >>> Let's keep this clean, please! >>> >> >> keep clean what? >> >> -- >>

Re: [Pharo-dev] MC Filetree -- missing FiletreeURL ?

2013-05-22 Thread Camillo Bruni
>> Sven >> >> PS: I occasionally read the Squeak mailing and I see the work that you are >> doing and it is impressive. Your attitude, approach and drive remind me of >> the many Pharo developers. I would not dream of convincing you, but IMHO you >> would fit perfectly in the Pharo community, w

Re: [Pharo-dev] TxText new version 0.8

2013-05-22 Thread Camillo Bruni
On 2013-05-22, at 21:04, Tudor Girba wrote: > Hi, > > On May 22, 2013, at 5:33 PM, Igor Stasenko wrote: > >> On 22 May 2013 10:38, Stéphane Ducasse wrote: >>> I would use >>> >>> TextModelCore >>> TextModelExtensions >>> >>> TextModelCore-Tests >>> >>> No extra dash in the middle. >> >>

Re: [Pharo-dev] FileSystem inconsistency

2013-05-22 Thread Camillo Bruni
On 2013-05-22, at 19:53, Stéphane Ducasse wrote: > Hi > > I'm doing a pass on the FileSystem chapter (yes you know the documentation > that nobody write but everybody > wants to read), I'm updating/adding method comments and I get the following. > > paf does not exist > > (FileSystem disk

Re: [Pharo-dev] FileSystem ensureDeleted

2013-05-22 Thread Camillo Bruni
On 2013-05-22, at 19:39, Stéphane Ducasse wrote: > (FileSystem disk workingDirectory / 'fooFolder3') ensureDirectory. > (FileSystem disk workingDirectory / 'fooFolder3') ensureDeleted. > > works > > I get a primitive failure > > (FileSystem disk workingDirectory / 'fooFolder') createDirecto

Re: [Pharo-dev] fileSystem copyAllTo: ??

2013-05-22 Thread Camillo Bruni
because it is a file? copyAllTo only works on a folder. On 2013-05-22, at 19:36, Stéphane Ducasse wrote: > (FileSystem disk workingDirectory / 'fooFolder') ensureDelete. > (FileSystem disk workingDirectory / 'pif' ) ensureFile. > (FileSystem disk workingDirectory / 'fooFolder') ensureDirectory.

Re: [Pharo-dev] could we rename ensureDeleted into ensureDelete?

2013-05-22 Thread Camillo Bruni
On 2013-05-22, at 19:35, stephane ducasse wrote: > Because I do not understand why we use paste suddenly? because it is the final state, the file is deleted. it emerged out of a longer discussion with sean, mariano and me I think

Re: [Pharo-dev] FileSystem moveTo:

2013-05-22 Thread Camillo Bruni
ah right you change just the item :) On 2013-05-22, at 19:26, stephane ducasse wrote: > I imagine that > > (FileSystem disk workingDirectory / 'paf' ) moveTo: (FileSystem disk > workingDirectory / 'fooFolder' / 'paf') > > I thought that it was inside something….. > > > On May 22, 201

Re: [Pharo-dev] Messy Configurations

2013-05-22 Thread Camillo Bruni
On 2013-05-22, at 19:00, stephane ducasse wrote: > > On May 22, 2013, at 5:53 PM, Camillo Bruni wrote: > >> I recently spent some time to revise how to write Metacello Configurations. >> >> Observation: >> >> - many configurations are quite a mess >> - many configurations duplic

Re: [Pharo-dev] clean, please

2013-05-22 Thread Frank Shearar
On 22 May 2013 19:06, Paul Davidowitz wrote: > I was referring to text used in this mailing list, particularly words of > the form *u** Your regular expression's malformed, but considered as a String >> #match: string it's almost right... and 'Squeak' would match that! Hmm, so would 'future'. Oop

Re: [Pharo-dev] MC Filetree -- missing FiletreeURL ?

2013-05-22 Thread Frank Shearar
On 22 May 2013 18:29, Sven Van Caekenberghe wrote: > Frank, > > On 22 May 2013, at 14:55, Frank Shearar wrote: > >> On 22 May 2013 13:44, Camillo Bruni wrote: >>> >>> On 2013-05-22, at 14:36, Frank Shearar wrote: >>> On 22 May 2013 13:20, Camillo Bruni wrote: > > On 2013-05-22, at

Re: [Pharo-dev] TxText new version 0.8

2013-05-22 Thread Tudor Girba
Hi, On May 22, 2013, at 5:33 PM, Igor Stasenko wrote: > On 22 May 2013 10:38, Stéphane Ducasse wrote: >> I would use >> >> TextModelCore >> TextModelExtensions >> >> TextModelCore-Tests >> >> No extra dash in the middle. > > no :) > > But for tests, i +1, the names are not very good. >

Re: [Pharo-dev] MC Filetree -- missing FiletreeURL ?

2013-05-22 Thread Frank Shearar
On 22 May 2013 16:42, stephane ducasse wrote: >> I believe the things I do regarding the fork because of personal >> conversations with people close to the decision. > > Fun because we are the people who took the decisions and we never got a real > discussions > so far. So this means that so far

Re: [Pharo-dev] [Pharo-project] Understanding NBOpenGL

2013-05-22 Thread kilon
I am looking at NBGLContextDriver and NBGLDisplay and I see none of that hard coded stuff. I assume you mean the platform specific packages like NBMacGLContextDriver ,NBGLXContextDriver etc. where I see alot of platform specific code inside the methods of those classes . -- View this message

Re: [Pharo-dev] clean, please

2013-05-22 Thread Paul Davidowitz
I was referring to text used in this mailing list, particularly words of the form *u**

Re: [Pharo-dev] MC Filetree -- missing FiletreeURL ?

2013-05-22 Thread stephane ducasse
+1 > Now, for library/framework developers/maintainers it is hard to be compatible > with different Smalltalk implementations. It is not impossible, but requires > manpower, interest and will. Recently, only Fuel managed to do that (of the > bigger projects). > > Sven > > PS: I occasionally r

Re: [Pharo-dev] [Pharo-project] Understanding NBOpenGL

2013-05-22 Thread kilon
Hey Igor , yes I would love to contrinbute to NBOpenGL for a very long time. I could at least fix those small errors like the one I reported and add documentation to methods and especially classes. I am using pharo 3.0 and GLTTRenderingDemo does not work. I get an error. Apparently it cannot f

Re: [Pharo-dev] clean, please

2013-05-22 Thread Esteban A. Maringolo
Anything but my keyboard. :) Esteban A. Maringolo 2013/5/22 Sven Van Caekenberghe > The kitchen, the living room ? > > On 22 May 2013, at 19:49, Igor Stasenko wrote: > > > On 22 May 2013 19:41, Paul Davidowitz wrote: > >> Let's keep this clean, please! > >> > > > > keep clean what? > > > > -

Re: [Pharo-dev] clean, please

2013-05-22 Thread Sven Van Caekenberghe
The kitchen, the living room ? On 22 May 2013, at 19:49, Igor Stasenko wrote: > On 22 May 2013 19:41, Paul Davidowitz wrote: >> Let's keep this clean, please! >> > > keep clean what? > > -- > Best regards, > Igor Stasenko. >

[Pharo-dev] FileSystem inconsistency

2013-05-22 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
Hi I'm doing a pass on the FileSystem chapter (yes you know the documentation that nobody write but everybody wants to read), I'm updating/adding method comments and I get the following. paf does not exist (FileSystem disk workingDirectory / 'paf' ) delete. works without barking => m

Re: [Pharo-dev] clean, please

2013-05-22 Thread Igor Stasenko
On 22 May 2013 19:41, Paul Davidowitz wrote: > Let's keep this clean, please! > keep clean what? -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko.

Re: [Pharo-dev] Ants we are smaller and smaller (was MC Filetree ..)

2013-05-22 Thread Igor Stasenko
My own understanding where Pharo is heading in couple worlds can be described as follows: - make better smalltalk And making better sometimes means breaking eggs, and fixing something which is not broken. Sure thing, Pharo is not immune from wrong decisions and bad ideas (as any other project). Bu

[Pharo-dev] clean, please

2013-05-22 Thread Paul Davidowitz
Let's keep this clean, please!

[Pharo-dev] FileSystem ensureDeleted

2013-05-22 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
(FileSystem disk workingDirectory / 'fooFolder3') ensureDirectory. (FileSystem disk workingDirectory / 'fooFolder3') ensureDeleted. works I get a primitive failure (FileSystem disk workingDirectory / 'fooFolder') createDirectory. (FileSystem disk workingDirectory / 'fooFolder' / 'fooInsidefoo'

Re: [Pharo-dev] Ants we are smaller and smaller (was MC Filetree ..)

2013-05-22 Thread p...@highoctane.be
Well, yet another ant doing business w/ Pharo over here. I signed for the consortium and not for staying stuck in the eighties for sure. Phil On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 7:18 PM, Sven Van Caekenberghe wrote: > Janko, > > On 22 May 2013, at 17:43, Janko Mivšek wrote: > > > Dne 22. 05. 2013 16:14,

[Pharo-dev] fileSystem copyAllTo: ??

2013-05-22 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
(FileSystem disk workingDirectory / 'fooFolder') ensureDelete. (FileSystem disk workingDirectory / 'pif' ) ensureFile. (FileSystem disk workingDirectory / 'fooFolder') ensureDirectory. (FileSystem disk workingDirectory / 'pif' ) copyAllTo: (FileSystem disk workingDirectory / 'fooFolder'). It ba

[Pharo-dev] could we rename ensureDeleted into ensureDelete?

2013-05-22 Thread stephane ducasse
Because I do not understand why we use paste suddenly?

Re: [Pharo-dev] MC Filetree -- missing FiletreeURL ?

2013-05-22 Thread Sven Van Caekenberghe
Frank, On 22 May 2013, at 14:55, Frank Shearar wrote: > On 22 May 2013 13:44, Camillo Bruni wrote: >> >> On 2013-05-22, at 14:36, Frank Shearar wrote: >> >>> On 22 May 2013 13:20, Camillo Bruni wrote: On 2013-05-22, at 14:02, Frank Shearar wrote: > On 22 May 2013 12:49

Re: [Pharo-dev] FileSystem moveTo:

2013-05-22 Thread stephane ducasse
I imagine that (FileSystem disk workingDirectory / 'paf' ) moveTo: (FileSystem disk workingDirectory / 'fooFolder' / 'paf') I thought that it was inside something….. On May 22, 2013, at 7:24 PM, Stéphane Ducasse wrote: > How do I move a file inside a folder? > > (FileSystem disk wor

[Pharo-dev] FileSystem moveTo:

2013-05-22 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
How do I move a file inside a folder? (FileSystem disk workingDirectory / 'paf' ) ensureFile. (FileSystem disk workingDirectory / 'fooFolder') ensureDirectory. (FileSystem disk workingDirectory / 'paf' ) moveTo: (FileSystem disk workingDirectory / 'fooFolder') this does not work? What is the s

Re: [Pharo-dev] Ants we are smaller and smaller (was MC Filetree ..)

2013-05-22 Thread Sven Van Caekenberghe
Janko, On 22 May 2013, at 17:43, Janko Mivšek wrote: > Dne 22. 05. 2013 16:14, piše stephane ducasse: > >> PS: we are ants running around while elephants (python, ruby, Javascripts) >> are passing close by. >> Not making serious progress is death. > > We will be even smaller ants if we won't

Re: [Pharo-dev] Messy Configurations

2013-05-22 Thread stephane ducasse
On May 22, 2013, at 5:53 PM, Camillo Bruni wrote: > I recently spent some time to revise how to write Metacello Configurations. > > Observation: > > - many configurations are quite a mess > - many configurations duplicate code internally > - many configurations have archived develo

Re: [Pharo-dev] Ants we are smaller and smaller (was MC Filetree ..)

2013-05-22 Thread stephane ducasse
>> >> >>> PS: we are ants running around while elephants (python, ruby, Javascripts) >>> are passing close by. >>> Not making serious progress is death. >> >> We will be even smaller ants if we won't cooperate and listen to each >> other, and this thread is exact example, how listening don't go

Re: [Pharo-dev] Ants we are smaller and smaller (was MC Filetree ..)

2013-05-22 Thread stephane ducasse
>> PS: we are ants running around while elephants (python, ruby, Javascripts) >> are passing close by. >> Not making serious progress is death. > > We will be even smaller ants if we won't cooperate and listen to each > other, and this thread is exact example, how listening don't go very well. N

Re: [Pharo-dev] Messy Configurations

2013-05-22 Thread Igor Stasenko
On 22 May 2013 17:53, Camillo Bruni wrote: > I recently spent some time to revise how to write Metacello Configurations. > > Observation: > > - many configurations are quite a mess > - many configurations duplicate code internally > - many configurations have archived development vers

Re: [Pharo-dev] Messy Configurations

2013-05-22 Thread Max Leske
+100! On 22.05.2013, at 17:53, Camillo Bruni wrote: > I recently spent some time to revise how to write Metacello Configurations. > > Observation: > > - many configurations are quite a mess > - many configurations duplicate code internally > - many configurations have archived deve

[Pharo-dev] Messy Configurations

2013-05-22 Thread Camillo Bruni
I recently spent some time to revise how to write Metacello Configurations. Observation: - many configurations are quite a mess - many configurations duplicate code internally - many configurations have archived development versions For Pharo 3.0 I made a new Configuration template

Re: [Pharo-dev] Ants we are smaller and smaller (was MC Filetree ..)

2013-05-22 Thread Camillo Bruni
On 2013-05-22, at 17:43, Janko Mivšek wrote: > Dne 22. 05. 2013 16:14, piše stephane ducasse: > >> PS: we are ants running around while elephants (python, ruby, Javascripts) >> are passing close by. >> Not making serious progress is death. > > We will be even smaller ants if we won't cooperat

Re: [Pharo-dev] Ants we are smaller and smaller (was MC Filetree ..)

2013-05-22 Thread Janko Mivšek
Dne 22. 05. 2013 16:14, piše stephane ducasse: > PS: we are ants running around while elephants (python, ruby, Javascripts) > are passing close by. > Not making serious progress is death. We will be even smaller ants if we won't cooperate and listen to each other, and this thread is exact exampl

Re: [Pharo-dev] MC Filetree -- missing FiletreeURL ?

2013-05-22 Thread stephane ducasse
> I believe the things I do regarding the fork because of personal > conversations with people close to the decision. Fun because we are the people who took the decisions and we never got a real discussions so far. So this means that so far you got discussions with people that believe that they

Re: [Pharo-dev] TxText new version 0.8

2013-05-22 Thread Igor Stasenko
On 22 May 2013 10:38, Stéphane Ducasse wrote: > I would use > > TextModelCore > TextModelExtensions > > TextModelCore-Tests > > No extra dash in the middle. no :) But for tests, i +1, the names are not very good. For package: Package-Name-Tick-Tack tests should be in: Package-Name-Tick-Ta

[Pharo-dev] UIPainters, or seducing developers in not building the right abstractions

2013-05-22 Thread Stephan Eggermont
In a GSoC proposal comment ben asked me to comment on what I wrote: > For building good UIs, UIPainters of the most common kind > (Delphi, Visual Studio, Interface Builder) provide very little added value. > They sometimes provide guidelines for spacing and alignment, > but also seduce developers

[Pharo-dev] [update 3.0] #30160

2013-05-22 Thread Marcus Denker
30160 - 10716 update shrinking methods https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/10716 7382 TextModel should allow users to cancel/validate an accept action https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/7382 10725 unify #binding, #variableBinding and #ocBinding https://

Re: [Pharo-dev] MC Filetree -- missing FiletreeURL ?

2013-05-22 Thread Goubier Thierry
Le 22/05/2013 15:26, Camillo Bruni a écrit : On 2013-05-22, at 15:22, Goubier Thierry wrote: Le 22/05/2013 15:12, Camillo Bruni a écrit : On 2013-05-22, at 15:05, Camillo Bruni wrote: Not sure I can answer that; in the meantime, I just added a FileTreeUrl as a subclass of FileUrl, and Go

[Pharo-dev] [regression reporter]regression occurred

2013-05-22 Thread no-reply
https://ci.inria.fr/pharo/job/Pharo-3.0-Update-Step-2-Validation/./label=win/184/ 51 regressions found. AST.Interpreter.Test.ASTInterpreterTest.testExceptionReturn AST.Interpreter.Test.ASTInterpreterTest.testSend AST.Interpreter.Test.ASTInterpreterTest.testLookUp AST.Interpreter.Test.ASTIn

[Pharo-dev] [regression reporter]regression occurred

2013-05-22 Thread no-reply
https://ci.inria.fr/pharo/job/Pharo-3.0-Update-Step-2-Validation/./label=mac/184/ 51 regressions found. AST.Interpreter.Test.ASTInterpreterTest.testExceptionReturn AST.Interpreter.Test.ASTInterpreterTest.testSend AST.Interpreter.Test.ASTInterpreterTest.testLookUp AST.Interpreter.Test.ASTIn

[Pharo-dev] [regression reporter]regression occurred

2013-05-22 Thread no-reply
https://ci.inria.fr/pharo/job/Pharo-3.0-Update-Step-2-Validation/./label=linux/184/ 51 regressions found. AST.Interpreter.Test.ASTInterpreterTest.testExceptionReturn AST.Interpreter.Test.ASTInterpreterTest.testSend AST.Interpreter.Test.ASTInterpreterTest.testLookUp AST.Interpreter.Test.AST

Re: [Pharo-dev] do not forget to register to the pharo web day

2013-05-22 Thread stephane ducasse
Hi rafa The conference will be in a mix of french and english because it is a local conference but we will have videos. Inria nicely accepted to send a professional to shot the conference. We will have to do the post processing. > > Steph, Which will be the conference language? English of Fren

[Pharo-dev] [update 3.0] #30159

2013-05-22 Thread Marcus Denker
30159 - 10724 Remove AST Semantic Analysis package https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/10724 10722 Old compiler should have iv compilationContext https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/10722 Diff information: http://smalltalkhub.com/mc/Pharo/Pharo30/main/OpalCompiler

Re: [Pharo-dev] MC Filetree -- missing FiletreeURL ?

2013-05-22 Thread stephane ducasse
On May 22, 2013, at 4:26 PM, Frank Shearar wrote: >> >> PS: we are ants running around while elephants (python, ruby, Javascripts) >> are passing close by. >> Not making serious progress is death. > > And that's why I don't push Smalltalk as an option at work. It's too > different, it has too

Re: [Pharo-dev] MC Filetree -- missing FiletreeURL ?

2013-05-22 Thread Frank Shearar
On 22 May 2013 15:25, stephane ducasse wrote: >>> There IS a reason pharo forked from squeak... >> >> I'm not pursuing this thread: it's my understanding that the fork was >> largely political, and personal, and that's as far as I'm going to >> talk about it. > > Reducing Pharo to a personal decis

Re: [Pharo-dev] MC Filetree -- missing FiletreeURL ?

2013-05-22 Thread Frank Shearar
On 22 May 2013 15:14, stephane ducasse wrote: >> Well. What I should have asked was "have you cloned the repository >> with the intention of pushing improvements upstream, or have you >> forked the project with no intention of pushing changes upstream?" > > what means pushing changes upstream? > t

Re: [Pharo-dev] MC Filetree -- missing FiletreeURL ?

2013-05-22 Thread stephane ducasse
>> There IS a reason pharo forked from squeak... > > I'm not pursuing this thread: it's my understanding that the fork was > largely political, and personal, and that's as far as I'm going to > talk about it. Reducing Pharo to a personal decision is ridiculous but you can believe it if you want.

Re: [Pharo-dev] MC Filetree -- missing FiletreeURL ?

2013-05-22 Thread Goubier Thierry
Le 22/05/2013 16:16, stephane ducasse a écrit : Well. What I should have asked was "have you cloned the repository with the intention of pushing improvements upstream, or have you forked the project with no intention of pushing changes upstream?" Now, I'd have a question related to that. Wher

Re: [Pharo-dev] MC Filetree -- missing FiletreeURL ?

2013-05-22 Thread stephane ducasse
> > Sorry, was that supposed to be an answer? I must go find out how much > work you've done before guessing whether you've forked and abandoned > upstream? > > Like I said: What I want to know is this: if I want to make a change > to infrastructure common to multiple Smalltalks, does Pharo expec

Re: [Pharo-dev] MC Filetree -- missing FiletreeURL ?

2013-05-22 Thread stephane ducasse
>> Well. What I should have asked was "have you cloned the repository >> with the intention of pushing improvements upstream, or have you >> forked the project with no intention of pushing changes upstream?" > > Now, I'd have a question related to that. Where should I push my changes ? > > Or gi

Re: [Pharo-dev] MC Filetree -- missing FiletreeURL ?

2013-05-22 Thread stephane ducasse
> Well. What I should have asked was "have you cloned the repository > with the intention of pushing improvements upstream, or have you > forked the project with no intention of pushing changes upstream?" what means pushing changes upstream? to the original gofer repo? > Because the latter option

[Pharo-dev] [update 3.0] #30158

2013-05-22 Thread Marcus Denker
30158 - 10723 Use Opal for semantic analisys in suggestions https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/10723 10707 Instance variable #askOkToClose is duplicated in WindowModel (already defined in ComposableModel) https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/10707 Diff informat

Re: [Pharo-dev] Bug in SimpleSwitchMorph

2013-05-22 Thread stephane ducasse
I will try to clean a bit But this "SimpleButtonMorph" is not so simple Now by redefining SimpleSwitchMorph>>mouseMove: evt ^ self I addressed the bug. But all the code tells me that this is too complex. Ben I would like to pair program with you to define a B Here

[Pharo-dev] [update 3.0] #30157

2013-05-22 Thread Marcus Denker
30157 - 10721 Cleanup Setting boolean sends https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/10721 10715 Spec update https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/10715 Diff information: http://smalltalkhub.com/mc/Pharo/Pharo30/main/Spec-Widgets-MarcusDenker.183.diff http://sma

Re: [Pharo-dev] MC Filetree -- missing FiletreeURL ?

2013-05-22 Thread Camillo Bruni
On 2013-05-22, at 15:22, Goubier Thierry wrote: > Le 22/05/2013 15:12, Camillo Bruni a écrit : >> >> On 2013-05-22, at 15:05, Camillo Bruni wrote: >> >> Not sure I can answer that; in the meantime, I just added a FileTreeUrl >> as a >> subclass of FileUrl, and Gofer seems happy w

[Pharo-dev] [regression reporter]regression occurred

2013-05-22 Thread no-reply
https://ci.inria.fr/pharo/job/Pharo-3.0-Update-Step-2-Validation/./label=win/181/ 2 regressions found. OpalCompiler.Tests.Misc.MustBeBooleanTests.testIfTrueEffect OpalCompiler.Tests.Misc.MustBeBooleanTests.testIfTrueValue

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