[Phono-L] Some 'interesting' Victor 10 inch 78's?

2006-12-24 Thread gpaul2...@aol.com
The D&R records were a Chicago outfit, appearing in 1908, and were pressed from Leeds & Catlin matrices, as well as Columbia. Although among the first to market 2-sided discs, they certainly weren't the first. Aside from Victor's "Record for the Children" in 1900 and Columbia's brief 1904 seri

[Phono-L] Edison 50741 test pressing

2006-12-24 Thread Andrew Baron
Just to add to this informal compilation of Diamond Disc records with the unground edges, I have seven that I've accumulated at random over the years, all etched label. The fin is still there, so obviously, no number was stamped on the edge. Of the seven, five are the flattened shield sty

[Phono-L] Edison 50741 test pressing

2006-12-24 Thread Andrew Baron
I should have added the numbers, which are present on the normal etched label surfaces, except for the full shield record, which has no number (would have been on the edge only). It got real interesting just now when I discovered that one of these has two different numbers on the standard

[Phono-L] Some 'interesting' Victor 10 inch 78's?

2006-12-24 Thread bruce78rpm
Later, many of the old single siders were re-pressed as two siders, > so I understand. Many were also re-recorded in the electrical era on 2 > sides. That is why occasionally but not that often, you actually have a two sided Columbia with one or two "introduced" sides, long after this feature w

[Phono-L] Two R-sides on the same disc

2006-12-24 Thread Andrew Baron
Two R-sides, with different numbers, on the very same disc, rather like a penny with two heads or two tails. Earlier, I noted that one was the R-side, assuming that the other was the L-side until I took a closer look just prior to the last email. Both are R. So there are four possibilities

[Phono-L] Two R-sides on the same disc

2006-12-24 Thread Robert Wright
I tend to discount the fourth possibility based on my assumption that only Victor contracted (a few) artists long-term (and Columbia had a few, like Frank Crumit). From what I understand, all the other labels hired performers for a fee per record, no contract as we know it today (I remember se

[Phono-L] Two R-sides on the same disc

2006-12-24 Thread Andrew Baron
This makes sense. Now that I think about it, I have read many times about the small fees paid to artists on a per-recording basis. And certainly, Edison was not one for prizing artists to the point of desiring long-term contracts. It seems that his more devoted artists were drawn to thei

[Phono-L] A New Collector

2006-12-24 Thread Steve Atkins
I have become the guardian of what would seem to be a rare collection of '78s. If the information is acurate, these discs were part of a collection owned by a newspaper columnist in the mid-west, who reviewed these recordings as they were published. The current owner of this collection also ha

[Phono-L] A New Collector

2006-12-24 Thread allena...@aol.com
In a message dated 9/20/2006 1:07:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time, lu...@comcast.net writes: > Some are 12" discs, some are 7", many are single sided, which leads me to > believe they may have been demos issued to review or broadcast before > distribution > ** Hi If the single-sided dis

[Phono-L] A New Collector

2006-12-24 Thread Tyrone Settlemier
I wouldn't worry about playing them on modern equipment. They were talking about steel needles. The original phonogrpahs played with very heavy tonearms, and with a steel needle that really should be changed after every play. This is completely unlike modern equipment. Based on what you've s

[Phono-L] ARSC Preservation Grants Program

2006-12-24 Thread Bill Klinger
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[Phono-L] ARSC Research Grants Program

2006-12-24 Thread Bill Klinger
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[Phono-L] Items for sale in central Wisconsin

2006-12-24 Thread Ken & Brenda Brekke
If anyone on this list is near Wisconsin, I have a number of cabinet model Victrolas available.Prices will start around $75.Please contact me off list for more information at: kb...@charter.net I might be pursuaded to part with some horn machines and roller organs also after the cabine

[Phono-L] VV - XVI

2006-12-24 Thread wayne holznagel
The XVI has been sold. <:)> Wayne H My website is at http://www.phonomantiques.com/

[Phono-L] Music Show in Danbury, Sept 24

2006-12-24 Thread allena...@aol.com
Hi, Anything interesting turning up at the Show tomorrow? Does anyone "need" an oak case for an Edison/North American Class M (battery) phono? Or a motor for a Columbia N (Bijou)? Allen www.phonoboks.com

[Phono-L] Indestructible 4-m boxes

2006-12-24 Thread charles smith
Hello.Does anyone have Indestructible,Oxford,Columbia four-minute boxes for sale?Thanks,Charlie. allena...@aol.com wrote: Hi, Anything interesting turning up at the Show tomorrow? Does anyone "need" an oak case for an Edison/North American Class M (battery) phono? Or a motor for a Columbia N

[Phono-L] That Hagen Girl

2006-12-24 Thread Ron L'Herault
This is a bit off topic, but considering the diversity of our groups, worth a try. A good friend of mine is looking for this Shirley Temple/Ronald Regan movie. I know I've seen it sold in the past but no one seems to be offering it now. I'd be happy to pay expenses if someone could burn a copy t

[Phono-L] phone number needed

2006-12-24 Thread Bob Johnson
Hi All. Gregg Cline was here visiting from Ohio today and tried to contact allen Koenigsberg about the class M cabinet. He used my computer to try to contact Allen, but the message bounced back as undeliverable. Gregg really wants to talk to Allen about this. Does anyone have Allen's phone numb

[Phono-L] phone number needed

2006-12-24 Thread gpaul2...@aol.com
Bob: Allen's phone number was (718) 941-6835, but with all the area code changes, the first three digits may be wrong now. Have Gregg give it a try and see... George Paul

[Phono-L] phone number needed

2006-12-24 Thread Dan K
And it is listed, too ! - Original Message - From: To: Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2006 9:44 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] phone number needed > Bob: > Allen's phone number was (718) 941-6835, but with all the area code > changes, the first three digits may be wrong now. Have

[Phono-L] phone number needed/ok

2006-12-24 Thread allena...@aol.com
In a message dated 9/23/2006 10:51:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ediso...@verizon.net writes: > > And it is listed, too ! > I can vouch for that - it's been my number for many, many years, and is also on my website! Just back from Danbury where I saw some things of interest.

[Phono-L] Brunswick parts available

2006-12-24 Thread David Dazer
I am parting out a Brunswick Panatrope model 8-12 that someone cut the legs off. If you need any parts for one of these for your own project, please let me know. The grill is in great shape. I have doors, a lid, hinges, tone arm, needle holders, horn etc. I plan to keep the motor, but if yo

[Phono-L] Decals for external horns

2006-12-24 Thread Larsons
I'm looking for decals for two Standard X external horn phonograph. One is gold & the other is red, can anyone help me (608-269-8333) larsont...@charter.net From dda...@sbcglobal.net Mon Sep 25 13:26:53 2006 From: dda...@sbcglobal.net (David Dazer) Date: Sun Dec 24 13:11:54 2006 Subject: [Phono-L

[Phono-L] Moderation

2006-12-24 Thread Mgraziano1
Hey Loran, I sent a few photos to the list on a item, but they're caught up b/c or size. Are we even allowed to send photos on here. I don't remember ever receiving any. -Original Message- From: Loran Hughes [mailto:lo...@oldcrank.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 3:54 PM To: Anti

[Phono-L] Moderation

2006-12-24 Thread Loran Hughes
On Sep 25, 2006, at 3:02 PM, Mgraziano1 wrote: > Hey Loran, > > I sent a few photos to the list on a item, but they're caught up b/ > c or > size. Are we even allowed to send photos on here. I don't > remember ever > receiving any. When the list was first set up, I set the size limitation ou

[Phono-L] Edison's Son Not a Chip off the Old Block..Subject was RE: Phono-L and Censorship

2006-12-24 Thread Walt Sommers
Randy, I like those points. You wrote: "Edison should have stepped aside sooner." Yes, I think I agree as I consider that "what if" brainstorming. I realize that there is abundant writing by a variety of people who hypothetically consider many of the "if only Edison would have..." scenarios (and

[Phono-L] Phono-L Digest, Vol 3, Issue 223

2006-12-24 Thread Ron L'Herault
It also says that the sound is so real, a child would believe that there is a band inside. Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Silverman, Adam M. Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 3:05 PM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Su

[Phono-L] Phono-L and Censorship

2006-12-24 Thread phonost...@aol.com
In a message dated 09/16/2006 4:50:11 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, diamondisk...@aol.com writes: The only censorship I've seen at work on Phono-L is the self-censorship of list members, who refrain from making posts that are derogatory towards other members, or put forth strongly held opi

[Phono-L] Edison's Son Not a Chip off the Old Block..Subject was RE: Phono-L and Censorship

2006-12-24 Thread Loran Hughes
On Sep 18, 2006, at 12:23 PM, Walt Sommers wrote: > ...Now for Edison, the poor dear: It is one thing > for an old fart (can I say that here Loran?)... As long as you're not referring to me, it's perfectly acceptable. ;) Loran

[Phono-L] Edison's Son Not a Chip off the Old Block..Subjectwas RE: Phono-L and Censorship

2006-12-24 Thread Robert Wright
Agreed, Walt. The story I heard many years ago was that the vacuum tube was a failed attempt at a light bulb, one of many, but the only one that had an interesting enough effect on the electricity passing through it for Edison to go ahead and patent the vacumm tube 'just in case'. As far as I

[Phono-L] Phono-L Digest, Vol 3, Issue 222

2006-12-24 Thread Bruce Mercer
From: "Robert Wright" Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Phono-L and Censorship To: "Antique Phonograph List" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Great points, all. Know your customer base. Aside from the Happiness Boys, Dalhart and Rachmaninoff

[Phono-L] Edison Recording Personnel (Stars)

2006-12-24 Thread Bruce Mercer
- Original Message - From: "Bruce Mercer" To: Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 3:46 PM Subject: Re: Phono-L Digest, Vol 3, Issue 222 > From: "Robert Wright" > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Phono-L and Censorship > To: "Antique Phonograph List" > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; for

[Phono-L] Edison Test Pressings

2006-12-24 Thread Bruce Mercer
These test pressings show up from time to time on ebay. Perhaps a couple a year. I don't rember what they are bringing however. I do remember they weren't exactly cheap though. Bruce

[Phono-L] Edison's Son Not a Chip off the Old Block..Subject was RE: Phono-L and Censorship

2006-12-24 Thread Dan K
"saving the Edison record business" really would have meant only "saving the record business for a couple more years, until it was killed along with the other record companies in the Depression" :)

[Phono-L] Phono-L and Censorship

2006-12-24 Thread Loran Hughes
On Sep 18, 2006, at 12:53 PM, phonost...@aol.com wrote: > One thing, > as a member of Phono-L that bothers me is bad comments of > phonograph dealers > that are deceased. Joan, Of course, you are right. We should all strive to keep the discourse civil and educational in this public forum.

[Phono-L] Phono-L Digest, Vol 3, Issue 222

2006-12-24 Thread Robert Wright
Yeah, Bruce, that's pretty much what I meant to say. Major stars of their own accord didn't seem to frequent Edison studios, outside of Dalhart and Happiness boys. And Cal Stewart. Those guys were all stars without the Edison recordings, having recorded for probably (or in Dalhart's case, ce

[Phono-L] Edison 50741 test pressing

2006-12-24 Thread Robert Wright
Wow, thanks George! My single 'unground edge' DD has no flaws -- indeed, it's pristine mint, and is one of the best-sounding acoustic recordings I've ever heard. It's nice to imagine it was a Tone Test record, even if chances are a bit slim. best, r. > A few of mine appear to have a > supe

[Phono-L] Edison's Son Not a Chip off the Old Block..Subjectwas RE: Phono-L and Censorship

2006-12-24 Thread Douglas Houston
Remember that Edison was a telegrapher, and that he specialized in the mechanical aspects of the inventions. He was not schooled in electrical technology, and though he did discover the thermionic (Edison) effect, he had no idea what to do with or about it. It took another guy to add the grid to c

[Phono-L] Phono-L Digest, Vol 3, Issue 223

2006-12-24 Thread Douglas Houston
In that era of innocence, an ad like that wouldn't be inaproppriate. In nour view today, the little kid would be viewed as perversely vandalistic. Possibly they could have had the little guy with a screwdriver, disassembling it, and asking the same thing. I guess it's all in the sensitivity of the

[Phono-L] Some 'interesting' Victor 10 inch 78's?

2006-12-24 Thread David Barnett
I've been lurking for a long time. I finally have something worth asking. I recently picked up a few old 78's that seemed 'interesting.' I'd appreciate any info on them. A few have red Victor labels. What surprised me is that they only have a groove on one side. What's the history behind th

[Phono-L] Edison 50741 test pressing

2006-12-24 Thread Steven Medved
Hi George Paul, I really appreciate your reply, do your tone test records have labels and how does the superior side sound? You are most fortunate to be able to listen to a tone test record, I always wondered what they sounded like. Thanks for sharing, Steve From cdh...@earthlink.net

[Phono-L] Censorship>'Thanks'>>Now to an Edison BOOK

2006-12-24 Thread phonost...@aol.com
In a message dated 09/18/2006 5:25:17 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, lo...@oldcrank.com writes: Of course, you are right. We should all strive to keep the discourse civil and educational in this public forum. Thanks Loran, for positive response. Hi ALL, Now I have a question about a book; "B

[Phono-L] Some 'interesting' Victor 10 inch 78's?

2006-12-24 Thread estott
- Original Message - From: "Douglas Houston" To: "Antique Phonograph List" Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 3:51 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Some 'interesting' Victor 10 inch 78's? > Single sides were the early records that most companies made. After all, > why give the customer a doubl

[Phono-L] Now to an Edison BOOK

2006-12-24 Thread Loran T. Hughes
On Sep 18, 2006, at 6:35 PM, phonost...@aol.com wrote: > > Does Phono-L accept 'for sale' emails or should we stick to sharing > phonographic info? > > Thanks,,, > Joan > Joan, For sale postings are most welcome here! Loran

[Phono-L] Censorship>'Thanks'>>Now to an Edison BOOK

2006-12-24 Thread estott
I looked up the book on Bookfinder.com and first editions are offered for $55 to $65.It has also been reprinted in the relatively recent past which could indicate some demand for it, but reprints tend to bring the price down as casual readers are satisfied with a new copy leaving only dedic

[Phono-L] test records

2006-12-24 Thread Mike Stitt
The Edison test records I have are unfinished. Same song both sides, but some words are different. I would call it a "take" one and two side. One of the records was released the other is not in the catalog. The sleeves have notes about the record written in pencil and signed. Not artist signed

[Phono-L] Censorship>'Thanks'>>Now to an Edison BOOK

2006-12-24 Thread phonost...@aol.com
Eric, Thank you so much for your information, very much appreciated you taking your time. I guess what got me is that this Edison info book was personally signed by the author, to his son. Every collector may have something very special and not much known about 'it'. All it takes is not b

[Phono-L] Edison BOOK

2006-12-24 Thread Ron Cowen
Hi Joan, I'd be interested in purchasing the book. Contact me offline at rco...@sciserv.org Thanks, Ron From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org on behalf of phonost...@aol.com Sent: Mon 9/18/2006 9:35 PM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Censorship>'Tha

[Phono-L] Phono-L and Censorship

2006-12-24 Thread diamondisk...@aol.com
In a message dated 9/18/2006 5:25:17 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, lo...@oldcrank.com writes: Since Randy is still among the living, I'll just say "All Hail Columbia!" I was merely using that as an example. I once saw a very nice upright Graphonola(sp) that I would like to own, even now.

[Phono-L] Edison's Son Not a Chip off the Old Block..Subjectwas RE: Phono-L and Censorship

2006-12-24 Thread charles smith
Hi Doug.If you have a modern turntable with a lateral/vertical switch "Expert Stylus" in England makes a great .0037" full conical stylus that really works! It's made just for diamond discs.If you need more info. on it,feel free to drop me a line.Charlie. Douglas Houston wrote: Remember that

[Phono-L] Now to an Edison BOOK

2006-12-24 Thread phonost...@aol.com
> Does Phono-L accept 'for sale' emails or should we stick to sharing > phonographic info? > > Thanks,,, > Joan ~~~ Joan, For sale postings are most welcome here!

[Phono-L] Some 'interesting' Victor 10 inch 78's?

2006-12-24 Thread keeper...@aol.com
In a message dated 9/18/2006 6:30:01 PM Pacific Daylight Time, da...@fairlibertyscall.com writes: #64120: 'I Hear You Calling Me' , singer John McCormack Luvit. A soulful record. : ) Edward

[Phono-L] Some 'interesting' Victor 10 inch 78's?

2006-12-24 Thread keeper...@aol.com
In a message dated 9/18/2006 6:47:41 PM Pacific Daylight Time, cdh...@earthlink.net writes: Single sides were the early records that most companies made. After all, why give the customer a double measure for his money? Then, in the early 1900s, some rat-fik began making records with recordi

[Phono-L] Some 'interesting' Victor 10 inch 78's?

2006-12-24 Thread Robert Wright
I understood that 1907 saw the first double-sided 7" record released commercially, a children's record on Victor. r. > Wasn't Columbia the first major record company the first to press 2-sided > records in 1908? I understand Victor quickly followed suit but maintained > the > Red Seals single

[Phono-L] Censorship>'Thanks'>>Now to an Edison BOOK

2006-12-24 Thread estott
Glad to help. It IS nice to have a signed copy, but with publications like this (Probably a "Vanity Press" edition paid for by the writer) sometimes it is difficult to NOT find a signed copy. I work for a museum & we were given a box full of the WWI reminisences of a minor officer. Each book wa

[Phono-L] Rare DD for sale

2006-12-24 Thread john robles
I have a C450 XVIII Century DD for sale, this is the one with the handpainted grilles and body detail. Lists in Fabrizio for $2500-3000, lists in Reiss for $3500, I am asking $895 obo. This is in really good condition, plays great, gold plated hardware in exc condition. Original grillecloth, tat

[Phono-L] removal from list

2006-12-24 Thread cranke...@comcast.net
Loran, Please remove me from the list. Censureship belongs elsewhere, not here in America... From lo...@oldcrank.com Tue Sep 12 08:02:53 2006 From: lo...@oldcrank.com (Loran Hughes) Date: Sun Dec 24 13:11:52 2006 Subject: [Phono-L] removal from list In-Reply-To: <0912200611

[Phono-L] removal from list

2006-12-24 Thread Daniel Melvin
I haven't noticed anything odd going on this list. Who was having the problem? Dan - Original Message - From: To: Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 4:01 AM Subject: [Phono-L] removal from list > Loran, > > > Please remove me from the list. Censureship belongs elsewhere, not here in

[Phono-L] removal from list

2006-12-24 Thread Albert
Dan: must be those liberal Graphophone collectors. Real Men prefer Edison. LOL Al - Original Message - From: "Daniel Melvin" To: "Antique Phonograph List" Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 6:44 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] removal from list >I haven't noticed anything odd going on th

[Phono-L] removal from list

2006-12-24 Thread pjfra...@alamedanet.net
i have a simpler explanation: - he meant "censorship" - he thought he was addressing phonolist, not phono-L haw. Albert wrote: > Dan: must be those liberal Graphophone collectors. Real Men prefer > Edison. > LOL Al > - Original Message - > From: "Daniel Melvin" > To: "Antique Phonog

[Phono-L] removal from list

2006-12-24 Thread diamondisk...@aol.com
Hey! Liberals, (i.e. non-Republicans,) can be Edison fans too! I never went for those primitive, steel-needle contraptions. Randy

[Phono-L] removal from list

2006-12-24 Thread Loran Hughes
On Sep 13, 2006, at 3:32 PM, diamondisk...@aol.com wrote: > Hey! Liberals, (i.e. non-Republicans,) can be Edison fans too! I > never went > for those primitive, steel-needle contraptions. > > Randy I don't recommend steel needles to liberals. You guys are too touchy- feely and may injure yours

[Phono-L] removal from list

2006-12-24 Thread Daniel Melvin
If we had a decent "liberal" health coverage system then the needle pricks could be easy to get fixed :) - Original Message - From: "Loran Hughes" To: "Antique Phonograph List" Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 4:11 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] removal from list > On Sep 13, 2006, at

[Phono-L] Phono-L and Censorship

2006-12-24 Thread Loran Hughes
A few days ago, I was accused of censoring a post that didn't appear on Phono-L. For those who don't know me well or haven't been on Phono- L long, I feel an explanation is in order. First, I don't moderate or censor posts. Phono-L is a completely automated system. The only things that are he

[Phono-L] My web site

2006-12-24 Thread bhhod...@aol.com
Hi Everyone, I just made a simple web site showing most of my collection,check it out and see what you think,but remember its not fancy. I only spent about an hour on it. _http://home.comcast.net~jhodges87/wsb/index.html_ (http://home.comcast.net~jhodges87/wsb/index.html) Bill

[Phono-L] My web site

2006-12-24 Thread Mgraziano1
The link doesn't work. -Original Message- From: bhhod...@aol.com [mailto:bhhod...@aol.com] Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 6:16 PM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] My web site Hi Everyone, I just made a simple web site showing most of my collection,check it out and see wha

[Phono-L] My web site

2006-12-24 Thread Walt Sommers
Try this link instead: http://home.comcast.net/~jhodges87/wsb/html/view.cgi-home.html-.html Bill forgot the '/' between the 'net' and '~jhodges' and it also looks like the syntax he initially provided will only get you to the default COMCAST boiler plate. The link above appears a little unorthodo

[Phono-L] Phono-L and Censorship

2006-12-24 Thread aph4...@aol.com
In a message dated 9/15/2006 9:41:02 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time, lo...@oldcrank.com writes: I encourage you to drop me a line if you feel something isn't working right or you have an idea to make the list better or more useful. Your humble servant, Loran Loran, I really don't think yo

[Phono-L] Phono-L and Censorship

2006-12-24 Thread gpaul2...@aol.com
Loran: I concur with Art's assessment of the situation. To paraphrase Barnum, you can't please all the people all the time, especially the vagaries of human psyche. You're doing just fine -- carry on, my friend. George Paul

[Phono-L] Operaphone

2006-12-24 Thread DeeDee Blais
If anyone is interested, there is a Operaphone for sale in Albany, Or. It's an English machine that looks like a small baby grand piano. The lady had it appraised over ten years ago at $1900 and is currently asking $3000. It's mahogany and in good working order. The only drawback is a split in

[Phono-L] Some questions to think about

2006-12-24 Thread wilenz...@bellsouth.net
I am wondering about the following: 1. Why are there always so many two-horned crapophones from China on eBay? 2. Do they make their money on the shipping costs, which usually are over three hundred dollars U.S.? 3. What does it really cost to ship an average (?) crapophone from China to the U

[Phono-L] Phono-L and Censorship

2006-12-24 Thread Walt Sommers
LOL...Randy, You wrote in part, "Edison Rules! Victor Sucks!" to which I am compelled to reply even though I know that your quotes seem to represent a greater rhetorical purpose which I respect. But let me have a moment of fun here. If Edison hadn't ruled exactly as he did, we might, I say, might

[Phono-L] Amen brothers! and bio-documentaries.

2006-12-24 Thread Robert Wright
Amen Randy, Walt, et. al. -- Glad to see that guy go, and take his paranoia with him. But the mind-boggling thought of Walt's post is this: What would Edison's obituary look like as a job resume? They certainly don't make men like that anymore. On that note, can anyone suggest biographical d

[Phono-L] P.S. Wikipedia sucks.

2006-12-24 Thread Robert Wright
Bad news about good ol' Wikipedia. They just lost my business permanently with the following quote, from their entry for Fred Gaisberg: "A musically talented youngster, he encountered the fledgling recording technology in the early 1890s, and got a job working for the 'Graphophone' [sic] compa

[Phono-L] P.S. Wikipedia sucks.

2006-12-24 Thread estott
If you don't like it, get some facts that can be backed up and change the article- that's the whole point of Wikipedia! Eric Stott (Just finished correcting a few small problems in a Freemasonry article) - Original Message - From: "Robert Wright" To: "Antique Phonograph List" Sent: S

[Phono-L] Phono-L and Censorship

2006-12-24 Thread diamondisk...@aol.com
Edison stuck to the mores, business models, and audience awareness of the late 19th century far too long. He came from an time when the people who built the best machines, for the best prices, got the most business. He relied way too much on word of mouth, and skimped on advertising. Ediso

[Phono-L] P.S. Wikipedia sucks.

2006-12-24 Thread diamondisk...@aol.com
Bad news about good ol' Wikipedia. They just lost my business permanently with the following quote, from their entry for Fred Gaisberg: Oh, come now. You should be used to inaccuracies about phonographic history being found in data sources aimed at the general public. You should approach

[Phono-L] Phono-L and Censorship

2006-12-24 Thread Robert Wright
Great points, all. Know your customer base. Aside from the Happiness Boys, Dalhart and Rachmaninoff, what major stars recorded regularly for Edison? All the titles I ever see aren't by artists I'd call major stars of the era. r. - Original Message - From: To: Sent: Saturday, Sep

[Phono-L] P.S. Wikipedia sucks.

2006-12-24 Thread Robert Wright
True, didn't think about that. I think I'll do just that! - Original Message - From: "estott" To: "Antique Phonograph List" Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2006 8:14 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] P.S. Wikipedia sucks. > If you don't like it, get some facts that can be backed up and change

[Phono-L] Phono-L and Censorship

2006-12-24 Thread john robles
Huzzah for that monumental email, Walt! John Robles Walt Sommers wrote: LOL...Randy, You wrote in part, "Edison Rules! Victor Sucks!" to which I am compelled to reply even though I know that your quotes seem to represent a greater rhetorical purpose which I respect. But let me have a moment

[Phono-L] P.S. Wikipedia sucks.

2006-12-24 Thread john robles
You're a Mason, Eric? So am I! And I am looking for a copy of Columbia 2 minute wax song 'Brother Masons'. I don't know the record number but I will try to find out what it is. John Robles estott wrote: If you don't like it, get some facts that can be backed up and change the article- that

[Phono-L] Edison 50741 test pressing

2006-12-24 Thread Robert Wright
Hey Randy (and anyone else who might know about this stuff), I have a rough-edged, no-label test pressing of DD 50741. I don't remember paying much for it, but I haven't seen any others for sale while browsing through Nauck's auction listings or junking on eBay. Just how rare is this thing? T

[Phono-L] Phono-L and Censorship

2006-12-24 Thread Dan K
Just one toothless biddy; the geezer shows his teeth (dentures?) as he smiles at the music :) hehe > > It is fitting that one of the world's most famous trademarks, (Nipper,) > has > a gramophone painted over an Edison cylinder machine, and that one of the > most famous Edison advertising piec

[Phono-L] P.S. Wikipedia sucks.

2006-12-24 Thread estott
- Original Message - From: "john robles" To: "Antique Phonograph List" Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 1:01 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] P.S. Wikipedia sucks. > You're a Mason, Eric? So am I! And I am looking for a copy of Columbia 2 > minute wax song 'Brother Masons'. I don't know the

[Phono-L] Phono-L and Censorship

2006-12-24 Thread Douglas Houston
On one of the issues of the New Amberola Graphic, they had a reprint of an Edison ad, which cracked me up. It showed a dejected couple on vacation, down in the mouth because there were no new records to play. (There were NONE at all?) Their day was ruined. Next panel showed them gleefully swinging

[Phono-L] Edison 50741 test pressing

2006-12-24 Thread Steven Medved
Hi Robert, You have a DD with an unground edge. EDAR says: We are uncertain if these were samples, factory rejects, or tone test records. I believe they were factory rejects as the one I have had a white grease pencil that circled a 'defect'. I am very careful with my diamond and the defect

[Phono-L] Phono-L and Censorship

2006-12-24 Thread diamondisk...@aol.com
Towards the end of the Edison's company's days, the "Old Man" grudgingly let his son take a more active role in record production. That is why the late Diamond Disks have some of the best music Edison ever released. The selections were "up to date," and wonderfully recorded. Edison should ha

[Phono-L] Edison 50741 test pressing

2006-12-24 Thread gpaul2...@aol.com
Over the years, I have run across 6 or 8 of these Diamond Discs with unground edges in general line antique shops nearby, and I live 5 hours away from West Orange. Clearly, these records were not factory rejects, so I wouldn't classify all "unground edge" examples that way. A few of mine appea

[Phono-L] Phono-L Digest, Vol 3, Issue 223

2006-12-24 Thread Silverman, Adam M.
If we're discussing Edison ads, I have one framed in my den that shows a little kid holding a small axe. He's about to use it to smash open the phonograph! The caption says "looking for the band". What kind of ad is that? It's like saying, "buy this product so your kids can destroy it"! -O

[Phono-L] Edison Business Phonos

2006-12-24 Thread gpaul2...@aol.com
More information on the Business Phonographs can be found in Frow's 1994 "Edison Cylinder Phonograph Companion" beginning on page 326. These machines were first described in the April and May 1903 issues of the "Edison Phonograph Monthly," and referred to as "Commercial Phonographs." I'm puzz

[Phono-L] Correct reproducer for Victor E

2006-12-24 Thread Andrew Baron
Hi all ~ Can anyone tell me what the correct sound box is for the Victor Monarch Junior, type E, front mount version? Mine was made in the transitional time between front and rear mount varieties and has the plate affixed ("Remove this plate to attach rigid arm"). The correct rep

[Phono-L] Artophone Catalog Update

2006-12-24 Thread wayne holznagel
A month ago I posted a note about a small project I was working on . . . recording an Artophone catalog to disc. Just a quick note to those that responded. The CDs will be in the mail on Weds. I need to pick up some mailing envelopes on Tuesday when I go to a larger city that has an Office M

[Phono-L] Correct reproducer for Victor E

2006-12-24 Thread Andrew Baron
Thanks, Dave for this information. It's very helpful. If not too much trouble, let me know if your Dad has the long throat concert, condition, price, etc. The serial number on my Monarch Jr. is (E) 40043. The Eldridge Johnson New Century soundbox currently installed on it bears serial n

[Phono-L] McLagan gramophone grill info wanted

2006-12-24 Thread Don Mayer
Hello Everyone, Someone locally has a sentimentally important gramophone that is missing its grill. It is an upright McLagan from the 1920's. The grill opening is 15" by 11 3/8", and the height of the cabinet is 39". If anyone has a similar cabinet, the owner would be very grateful for a p

[Phono-L] Cabinet Value

2006-12-24 Thread Michael Graziano
Hey. Someone local has a Columbia Grafonola Type K-2 cabinet is good shape for sale for $75. Missing motor and turntable section. Reproducer and other internals appear present. Oak finish. The cabinet is in their words "pristine" condition. I haven't seen it other than the few photos they sen

[Phono-L] Cabinet Value

2006-12-24 Thread Ron L'Herault
Mike, I may have a motor. I've got a couple Columbias on metal bases and parts to earlier ones. Is this a gold plated unit? Sadly, I don't have the Columbia disk machine book. Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf O

[Phono-L] Horn wanted

2006-12-24 Thread Philippe Woessner
Hello List I just found a lovely Gem model B with a salesman mark of a store at a few miles from my home ! Sadly I have no horn for it. So if one of you has a small black morning glory and/or the crane, I will be happy to complete this beauty. Contact me off list. Philippe

[Phono-L] Death of Marie Narelle's grand daughter -Edison connection

2006-12-24 Thread Ron L'Herault
Marjorie Joyce Dunn died in Bristol R.I. She was born in 1917, in NY. The daughter of Marie Cassidy Malabre and Reginald Grantley Narelle. She'd been married to the late Mahlon D. Dunn Jr. Marie Narelle, according to the obit was a famous Australian singer and recorded for Edison. Mrs. Dunn had b

[Phono-L] Death of Marie Narelle's grand daughter -Edison connection

2006-12-24 Thread Jim Nichol
My Marie Narelle cylinders are some of my favorite Blue Amberols. Question: How come your message title says her grand daughter died, but the text seems to be saying her daughter died. Jim Nichol On Sep 9, 2006, at 11:11 PM, Ron L'Herault wrote: > Marjorie Joyce Dunn died in Bristol R.I. S

[Phono-L] another Edison advertising clock

2006-12-24 Thread cranke...@comcast.net
Hi All, I forgot to send this item here earlier for input before it closed. I dunno, the glass tablet looked rather hookie-dookie to me Bill http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=ADME:B:WNA:US:112&item=190027649444&id= From cranke...@comcast.net Mon Sep

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