Re: [Phono-L] information needed

[Bob Maffit via Phono-L]

Steve:

 

As always, thanks for the information and it is certainly appreciated.

 

Bob Maffit

 

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Sent: Monday, August 12, 2019 9:17 PM
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Subject: Re: [Phono-L] information needed

 

Gregg Cline make perfect decals, they are very thin and hard for most to
apply but they look perfect.  You need to find a person who makes models and
regularly applies decals if you get any.  

 

Ogden chrome for nickel plating.  John tells me they do excellent work a
reasonable prices.  

 

Vicsonia is one of the adapters you can play DD records on Victor
phonographs.  The stylus is sapphire which wears and I have never seen a
good one.  Either broken or worn.  Diamonds are expensive these days.  I
have an adapter so a diamond will fit for the Vicsonia, but I will not have
any diamonds unless I order more.  

 

Duo-Vox had diamond styli.  Made by Bush and Lane.

 

The third type I have seen did not have a name, the box it came in said
Victor, it was held on by a thumbscrew.  

 

https://www.ogdenchrome.com/


 <https://www.ogdenchrome.com/> Chrome Plating - Ogden, UT - Ogden Chrome

Ogden Chrome is an award-winning custom chrome plating facility located in
Ogden, Utah. We take great pride in the craftsmanship and quality of chrome
plating that Ogden Chrome has provided for more than 55 years. We know that
our high standards and expertise are the keys to successfully meeting our
clients expectations and taking them to the next level of gorgeous,
high-quality chrome plating ...

www.ogdenchrome.com

 

Steve

 

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Sent: Monday, August 12, 2019 10:31 PM
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Subject: [Phono-L] information needed 

 

Listers:

 

I recently  painted a Edison Standard A bedplate and a couple of parts,
which were a "disaster!". I am looking for someone who does the decals or
paints the corners and or gold pin striping. Items after doing such.

 

Does someone have a referral for plating phono parts?

 

Any comments or contacts, is appreciated.

 

 

On another note:

 

I was discussing with a phono friend about an adapter I have which fits on a
Victor tone arm in place of the original, which plays diamond Discs. I have
the only one I have ran across. He may be interested in obtaining such. In
the event someone knows what I am referring too, or has one they are willing
to part with, please let me know

 

Thanks in advance.

 

Bob Maffit

 

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[Phono-L] information needed

[Bob Maffit via Phono-L]

Listers:

 

I recently  painted a Edison Standard A bedplate and a couple of parts,
which were a "disaster!". I am looking for someone who does the decals or
paints the corners and or gold pin striping. Items after doing such.

 

Does someone have a referral for plating phono parts?

 

Any comments or contacts, is appreciated.

 

 

On another note:

 

I was discussing with a phono friend about an adapter I have which fits on a
Victor tone arm in place of the original, which plays diamond Discs. I have
the only one I have ran across. He may be interested in obtaining such. In
the event someone knows what I am referring too, or has one they are willing
to part with, please let me know

 

Thanks in advance.

 

Bob Maffit

 

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Re: [Phono-L] Little Wonder Phono problems

[Bob Maffit via Phono-L]

Listers:

 

I had been wondering what had happened to the list and its members, as very 
little was happening.

 

Well, it looks like we are still around.

 

Recently, I had inquired about a phono part and did get a reply. When 
initiated, the list works.

 

Bob Maffit

 

From: Phono-L [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Jim Nichol via 
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Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2019 9:34 PM
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Cc: Jim Nichol
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Little Wonder Phono problems

 

Ron, I doubt you and Mike are the only people left on this list. But I’ve only 
run into problems like yours twice. One was a Busy Bee disc phono. I did find a 
problem with binding in the governor gearing, but I think a weak spring was the 
real problem. Also, my Edison Opera stopped working after traveling to Chicago. 
It was easily fixed when I found that governor shaft wouldn’t turn. I loosened 
a set screw and allowed a little play in the governor shaft, and all was well.

 

Jim Nichol





On May 7, 2019, at 9:43 PM, Ron L'Herault via Phono-L  
wrote:

 

The old spring was 5/8 by .018.   I’ve just installed a 5/8 by .022  which 
seems to be about the same length, around 8 5eet I believe.  It’s a NOS Honest 
Quaker (I actually have two of these!).  It may be a bit better.  I think I’m 
going to try a counter weight on the “tone arm” to lighten the reproduce a bit. 
 That may let it play through an 8” record.   

 

Looks like you and I are the only ones on the oldcrank phonograph list.  NO one 
else commented.

 

 

Ron L

 

From: Phono-L [ <mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org> 
mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Mike Tucker via Phono-L
Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2019 6:13 PM
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Cc:  <mailto:mtucker1...@gmail.com> mtucker1...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Little Wonder Phono problems

 

Ron,

 

What is the width of the spring?

 

The Windsor listing gives the following for small toy motors (Genola, Baby 
Grand,Carryola Cub, Pei-o-phone, Artone, Featherweight etc) with pear shape 
holes as ½” x .022 x 8feet.

 

For old type toy motors the dimensions are 9/16” x .025 x 10 feet.

 

I have no specific listing for the Little Wonder.

 

Best wishes,

 

Mike Tucker

 

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phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org> On Behalf Of Ron L'Herault via Phono-L
Sent: Sunday, 5 May 2019 6:29 AM
To:  <mailto:phonol...@yahoogroups.com> phonol...@yahoogroups.com; 'Antique 
Phonograph List' < <mailto:phono-l@oldcrank.org> phono-l@oldcrank.org>
Cc: Ron L'Herault < <mailto:lhera...@verizon.net> lhera...@verizon.net>
Subject: [Phono-L] Little Wonder Phono problems

 

I’ve been sent a LW phono with a host of small problems.  This is a Vertical 
only machine that according to the lit. should use a sapphire ball.   The 
governor springs were wrong.  I’ve got two with Columbia weights that are 
pretty close.  Had to make a lower bearing for the governor.  It’s  tad sloppy 
but rotational speed seems fairly consistent until the record slows half way 
into the side.   I suspect the spring is the wrong size (too long and maybe too 
thick).  S,  what size should the spring be?  There is a dish shaped washer 
on the winding gear side of the spring. Should the upward curve of the dish 
be towards the spring or towards the winding gear?  Should the spring be 
exposed on its other end or was there another dish or flat disk there?
Anybody know?  And does anyone know the actual length, width, thickness of the 
gov. springs?

 

Thanks, 

 

Ron L

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Re: [Phono-L] Columbia AK support arm wanted

[Bob Maffit via Phono-L]

Ron:

 

Thanks, I will give that a try.

 

later

Bob 

 

 

 

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L'Herault via Phono-L
Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2019 7:55 PM
To: 'Antique Phonograph List'
Cc: Ron L'Herault
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Columbia AK support arm wanted

 

You could  try Antique Phonograph Supply (APSCO).

 

Ron L

 

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Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2019 9:12 PM
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Subject: [Phono-L] Columbia AK support arm wanted

 

Phono Listers:

 

I am looking for a Columbia AK support arm, either original or repro.

 

I am aware of George: Ron: and Wyatt however, am under the impression they
are either not available for a couple of months or they don't have such.

 

I would appreciate any referral or opportunity to obtain the part.

 

Thanks in advance for support

 

Bob Maffit

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[Phono-L] Columbia AK support arm wanted

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Phono Listers:

 

I am looking for a Columbia AK support arm, either original or repro.

 

I am aware of George: Ron: and Wyatt however, am under the impression they
are either not available for a couple of months or they don't have such.

 

I would appreciate any referral or opportunity to obtain the part.

 

Thanks in advance for support

 

Bob Maffit

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Re: [Phono-L] cylinder box lids / are reproes available?

[Bob Maffit via Phono-L]

Scott & Denise:

 

Thanks for the reply. If I understand correctly, you make a label for the
box however, not a repo lid for the box.

If you know of someone making replacement cylinder boxes, I would appreciate
any contact information.

In the event I am mistaken, please advise.

 

I will store your info as If I can get some lids, I would use the labels.

 

Later

 

Bob Maffit

From: Phono-L [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Scott and
Denise Corbett via Phono-L
Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2018 8:56 PM
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Cc: sdcorb...@earthlink.net
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] cylinder box lids / are reproes available?

 

Hi Bob,

 

We have made peel & stick labels for the Edison 2 minute cylinders for some
years now.

 

-Scott & Denise Corbett

 

From: Phono-L  On Behalf Of Bob Maffit via
Phono-L
Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2018 8:01 AM
To: 'Antique Phonograph List' 
Cc: Bob Maffit 
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] cylinder box lids / are reproes available?

 

Ron:

 

Thanks for the reply and I will store this resource away.

 

Do want repo lids though.

 

Later

 

Bob

 

From: Phono-L [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Ron
L'Herault via Phono-L
Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2018 9:55 AM
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Cc: Ron L'Herault
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] cylinder box lids / are reproes available?

 

Don't know about tops but a friend of mine makes perfect bottoms for the two
sizes of Blue Amberol boxes.

 

Ron L

 

From: Phono-L [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Bob Maffit
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Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2018 10:10 AM
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Subject: [Phono-L] cylinder box lids / are reproes available?

 

Phono folk:

 

Is anyone making available reproes of cylinder box lids for say Edison Gold
Molded 2 min. or Edison 4 min. boxes?

 

If so, I would appreciate the contact information.

 

Thanks in advance

 

Bob Maffit

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Re: [Phono-L] cylinder box lids / are reproes available?

[Bob Maffit via Phono-L]

Ron:

 

Thanks for the reply and I will store this resource away.

 

Do want repo lids though.

 

Later

 

Bob

 

From: Phono-L [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Ron
L'Herault via Phono-L
Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2018 9:55 AM
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Cc: Ron L'Herault
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] cylinder box lids / are reproes available?

 

Don't know about tops but a friend of mine makes perfect bottoms for the two
sizes of Blue Amberol boxes.

 

Ron L

 

From: Phono-L [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Bob Maffit
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Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2018 10:10 AM
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Subject: [Phono-L] cylinder box lids / are reproes available?

 

Phono folk:

 

Is anyone making available reproes of cylinder box lids for say Edison Gold
Molded 2 min. or Edison 4 min. boxes?

 

If so, I would appreciate the contact information.

 

Thanks in advance

 

Bob Maffit

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[Phono-L] cylinder box lids / are reproes available?

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Phono folk:

 

Is anyone making available reproes of cylinder box lids for say Edison Gold
Molded 2 min. or Edison 4 min. boxes?

 

If so, I would appreciate the contact information.

 

Thanks in advance

 

Bob Maffit

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Re: [Phono-L] child's phonograph seeking info & parts

[Bob Maffit via Phono-L]

Jim:

 

Thanks for the reply. Now I know what it looks like and what it is I need.

Now to find such!!

Again, thanks

 

Bob Maffit

 

From: Phono-L [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Jim Nichol via 
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Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2018 12:07 PM
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Subject: Re: [Phono-L] child's phonograph seeking info & parts

 

Whoops. I meant “couldn’t resist”. Anyway, you’ll find lots of link with 
pictures of your phono.

 

Jim Nichol





On Nov 11, 2018, at 2:04 PM, Jim Nichol via Phono-L  
wrote:

 

Sorry, Bob. I could resist. (See link below).

 

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=general+phonograph+baby+cabinet

 

Jim Nichol





On Nov 11, 2018, at 1:53 PM, Bob Maffit via Phono-L  
wrote:

 

Phono list:

 

I obtained a child’s phonograph made by: General Phonograph manufacturing Co. 
from Elyria Ohio. On the label at the base of the lid in front says: Baby 
Cabinet

The sides and lid, are  medal, with decals, like Humpty Dumpty.

It is missing the tone arm, which I think also functions as the horn, given 
there is no place for a horn, and it appears the tone arm just fits in a very 
small hole at the right rear of the motor board.

I recognize finding such is like looking for a needle in a hay stack! *smile*

 

If anyone has a reference in any book, that I could get someone to look at and 
or has  a tone arm / horn etc., they would be willing to part with …..

 

Thanks in advance

 

Bob Maffit

 

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Re: [Phono-L] child's phonograph seeking info & parts

[Bob Maffit via Phono-L]

Steve:

 

Thanks a bunch, this clarifies what it is I need.

 

Now to find such!!!

 

Thanks

 

Bob maffit

 

From: Phono-L [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of SN Medved
via Phono-L
Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2018 12:18 PM
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Subject: Re: [Phono-L] child's phonograph seeking info & parts

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-24zqlU5jg


 <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-24zqlU5jg> 

 <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-24zqlU5jg> Baby Cabinet Phonograph

Baby Cabinet Children's phonograph made in 1920"s by General Phonograph
Manufacturing Company, Elyria, Ohio. It is 9" wide 10" deep and 17" high.

www.youtube.com

 

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Phono-L 
Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2018 1:53 PM
To: 'Antique Phonograph List'
Cc: Bob Maffit
Subject: [Phono-L] child's phonograph seeking info & parts 

 

Phono list:

 

I obtained a child's phonograph made by: General Phonograph manufacturing
Co. from Elyria Ohio. On the label at the base of the lid in front says:
Baby Cabinet

The sides and lid, are  medal, with decals, like Humpty Dumpty.

It is missing the tone arm, which I think also functions as the horn, given
there is no place for a horn, and it appears the tone arm just fits in a
very small hole at the right rear of the motor board.

I recognize finding such is like looking for a needle in a hay stack!
*smile*

 

If anyone has a reference in any book, that I could get someone to look at
and or has  a tone arm / horn etc., they would be willing to part with ...

 

Thanks in advance

 

Bob Maffit

 

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[Phono-L] child's phonograph seeking info & parts

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Phono list:

 

I obtained a child's phonograph made by: General Phonograph manufacturing
Co. from Elyria Ohio. On the label at the base of the lid in front says:
Baby Cabinet

The sides and lid, are  medal, with decals, like Humpty Dumpty.

It is missing the tone arm, which I think also functions as the horn, given
there is no place for a horn, and it appears the tone arm just fits in a
very small hole at the right rear of the motor board.

I recognize finding such is like looking for a needle in a hay stack!
*smile*

 

If anyone has a reference in any book, that I could get someone to look at
and or has  a tone arm / horn etc., they would be willing to part with ...

 

Thanks in advance

 

Bob Maffit

 

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Re: [Phono-L] looking for a few cylinders

[Bob Kolba via Phono-L]

Please send your want list. I have a large inventory of cylinders. Bob Kolba

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Please send me your list. I may be able to help. Charlie

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Re: [Phono-L] Columbia upper belt pulley for BF needed

[Bob Maffit via Phono-L]

Ron:

 

I will need the proper belt when I find and install the needed pulley. Do
you have the aprx. 1/2 " wide belt?

 

Later

 

Bob Maffit

 

From: Phono-L [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Ron
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Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2017 9:16 PM
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Cc: Ron L'Herault
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Columbia upper belt pulley for BF needed

 

I take it you are looking for a wider belt and preferably one with edge or
several rows of stitching?

 

Ron L

 

From: Phono-L [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Bob Maffit
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Sent: Monday, August 14, 2017 11:35 PM
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Subject: [Phono-L] Columbia upper belt pulley for BF needed

 

Phono folks:

 

I am in need of the upper belt pulley for my Columbia BF. I checked with
George Vollema with no luck. Do any of you know where I can get one, either
original or repo?

 

Your help is appreciated.

 

Later

 

Bob Maffit

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Re: [Phono-L] Columbia upper belt pulley for BF needed

[Bob Maffit via Phono-L]

John:

 

That would be wonderful if you do. 

 

Please advise

 

Later

 

Bob

 

From: Phono-L [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of john9ten via 
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Bob, i think i have one. Let me check my parts.

 

John Robles

 

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From: Ron L'Herault via Phono-L <phono-l@oldcrank.org> 

Date: 8/15/17 8:15 PM (GMT-08:00) 

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Cc: Ron L'Herault <lhera...@verizon.net> 

Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Columbia upper belt pulley for BF needed 

 

I take it you are looking for a wider belt and preferably one with edge or 
several rows of stitching?

 

Ron L

 

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Subject: [Phono-L] Columbia upper belt pulley for BF needed

 

Phono folks:

 

I am in need of the upper belt pulley for my Columbia BF. I checked with George 
Vollema with no luck. Do any of you know where I can get one, either original 
or repo?

 

Your help is appreciated.

 

Later

 

Bob Maffit

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[Phono-L] Columbia upper belt pulley for BF needed

[Bob Maffit via Phono-L]

Phono folks:

 

I am in need of the upper belt pulley for my Columbia BF. I checked with
George Vollema with no luck. Do any of you know where I can get one, either
original or repo?

 

Your help is appreciated.

 

Later

 

Bob Maffit

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Re: [Phono-L] Brunswick Blake Collender Co vertical reproducer

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Steve:

 

If the reproducer is still available, I will take it.

Please advise

 

later

 

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Subject: [Phono-L] Brunswick Blake Collender Co vertical reproducer

 

I have a Brunswick Blake Collender Co vertical reproducer I took in trade
for work.  If anyone is interested it is $20 plus shipping.  I replaced the
gaskets a few years ago.  The pot metal is in good condition, photos send
upon request.

 

Steven Medved

 

 

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Re: [Phono-L] Edison E

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Where is it located? Thanks
 
 
In a message dated 4/13/2017 9:36:18 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
phono-l@oldcrank.org writes:

 
It's probably a Model D Standard.  These were 2.4 min. The model E was 
strictly a  4 min.  machine.
Harvey  Kravitz




 
 
  

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Subject: Re: [Phono-L]  Edison E


  
 
 
I’d love to get the  cylinder cabinet but tricky to get to Australia.
Jamie
 
 
 
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Cc: Randy Larson  
Subject: [Phono-L] Edison  E
 
 
I'm  selling this for a lady that recently lost her house in a fire with no 
 insurance. This was in storage and spared. It's an Standard E . It has the 
 2&4 conversion and a new H reproducer. The motor was cleaned and new  
spring installed in 2004. The base of the Cygnet horn has been restored. This  
comes with a cylinder cabinet, all in excellent condition (except for the  
upper half of the horn). All proceeds go to helping this lady get back on her  
feet. Thechrome Cygnet horn support is also new. It plays  beautifully. 
I can send more pics upon request. A phono friend thought it  would go 
between 7 to 900 dollars. Let me know if interested. Thanks
 
Randy Larson 






 
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[Phono-L] parts to convert Columbia BF to BFt

[Bob Maffit via Phono-L]

Listers:

 

As follow-up to my previous post regarding the converting  of a Columbia BF
to a BFT, Does anyone on the list have any of the conversion parts ( tone
arm: back bracket: elbow): they are willing to part with?

The most critical at present would be the "tone arm", as I can add what I
need from that point. Either original or reproduction if anyone has
manufactured such.

 

Any guidance or referrals would be appreciated. George doesn't have any from
his inventory, as I use him frequently, he is  wonderful, and I already
asked him.

 

Thanks in advance

 

bob Maffit

 

 

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Re: [Phono-L] Questions re. "transitioning a Columbia BF to a BFT"

[Bob Maffit via Phono-L]

Ron:

 

Thanks for the suggestion, seems reasonable.

 

Later

 

Bob

 

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Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 9:24 PM
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Cc: Ron L'Herault
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Questions re. "transitioning a Columbia BF to a BFT"

 

You may want to get the arm first and then get the back bracket that
positions the arm at the correct distance .

 

Ron L

 

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Subject: [Phono-L] Questions re. "transitioning a Columbia BF to a BFT"

 

Listers:

 

I am researching transitioning a Columbia BF to a BFT.

 

Knowing very little, I suspect it is more than taking any old Columbia
back-bract removing the disc tone arm, and finding the correct  tone-arm
/for a cylinder player.

So, I would appreciate any guidance you folks may offer, including parts
offers ect.

\

Thanks in advance

 

Bob Maffit

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[Phono-L] Questions re. "transitioning a Columbia BF to a BFT"

[Bob Maffit via Phono-L]

Listers:

 

I am researching transitioning a Columbia BF to a BFT.

 

Knowing very little, I suspect it is more than taking any old Columbia
back-bract removing the disc tone arm, and finding the correct  tone-arm
/for a cylinder player.

So, I would appreciate any guidance you folks may offer, including parts
offers ect.

\

Thanks in advance

 

Bob Maffit

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Re: [Phono-L] instructions for rebuilding Orthophonic reproducers

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George:

 

Hey thanks, it is Gayle who you have met, Who was with me a couple of years
ago at your place. I think a couple of months ago he was at your shop as
well.

 

Again, I will forward this to Gayle ect.

 

later

 

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Subject: Re: [Phono-L] instructions for rebuilding Orthophonic reproducers

 

Not sure about any on line instructions Bob, but if he/you has questions I'm
happy to try and help.

Thank you,
Great Lakes Antique Phonograph
George Vollema
9496 N Woodbridge Ave
Bitely MI 49309
231-745-7175
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On 11/13/2016 10:10 PM, Bob Maffit via Phono-L wrote:

Ron:

 

You are the first to respond.

He has been able to disassemble the reproducer for the most part. It looks
like maybe someone had attempted repair prior however, obviously some of the
ball bearings are gone. 

 

The needle bar seems "hung up" so we had hoped for instructions or diagrams
before proceeding as maybe some type of sequence is part of the solution.

 

Your assistance is appreciated.

 

Later

 

Bob

 

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Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2016 5:08 PM
To: 'Antique Phonograph List'
Cc: Ron L'Herault
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] instructions for rebuilding Orthophonic reproducers

 

Any luck with this?   It's not a terrible job if the unit comes apart OK and
does not suffer from pot metal disintegration issues.  A friend of mine had
made special jigs to hold things in position while doing tasks such as
reinstalling the rather tiny ball bearings.

 

Ron L

 

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Subject: [Phono-L] instructions for rebuilding Orthophonic reproducers

 

Listers:

 

I am looking for a reference online or / in print some ware I can get
instructions and or diagrams for rebuilding a Orthophonic reproducer.

My friend who does support me on projects which I can't do, is a little
perplexed and wants some guidance before proceeding.

 

Thanks in advance

 

Bob

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Re: [Phono-L] instructions for rebuilding Orthophonic reproducers

[Bob Maffit via Phono-L]

Ron:

 

You are the first to respond.

He has been able to disassemble the reproducer for the most part. It looks
like maybe someone had attempted repair prior however, obviously some of the
ball bearings are gone. 

 

The needle bar seems "hung up" so we had hoped for instructions or diagrams
before proceeding as maybe some type of sequence is part of the solution.

 

Your assistance is appreciated.

 

Later

 

Bob

 

From: Phono-L [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Ron
L'Herault via Phono-L
Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2016 5:08 PM
To: 'Antique Phonograph List'
Cc: Ron L'Herault
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] instructions for rebuilding Orthophonic reproducers

 

Any luck with this?   It's not a terrible job if the unit comes apart OK and
does not suffer from pot metal disintegration issues.  A friend of mine had
made special jigs to hold things in position while doing tasks such as
reinstalling the rather tiny ball bearings.

 

Ron L

 

From: Phono-L [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Bob Maffit
via Phono-L
Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 10:54 AM
To: 'Antique Phonograph List'
Cc: Bob Maffit
Subject: [Phono-L] instructions for rebuilding Orthophonic reproducers

 

Listers:

 

I am looking for a reference online or / in print some ware I can get
instructions and or diagrams for rebuilding a Orthophonic reproducer.

My friend who does support me on projects which I can't do, is a little
perplexed and wants some guidance before proceeding.

 

Thanks in advance

 

Bob

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Re: [Phono-L] cylinder cabinet replacement posts needed

[Bob Maffit via Phono-L]

Phono Folk:

 

Thanks for the responses to my request, I have sent off order info
inquiries.

 

Again, thanks

 

Bob

 

From: Phono-L [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Bob Maffit
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Cc: Bob Maffit
Subject: [Phono-L] cylinder cabinet replacement posts needed

 

Phono Listers:

 

I can't find the source contact information , for the person who I got my
last batch of cylinder cardboard replacement posts from.

 

I would appreciate any info you may have.

 

Thanks in advance

 

Bob Maffit

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Re: [Phono-L] cylinder cabinet replacement posts needed

[Bob via Phono-L]

I think the only person still making them is Jim. They come with the tops  
already in place and complete. Just glue them in. He can be reached at 
_amberola75@aol.com_ (mailto:amberol...@aol.com)  
 
 
In a message dated 10/13/2016 12:33:24 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
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Tim Fabrizio sells them, his  email address is _phonotim@gmail.com_ 
(mailto:phono...@gmail.com) .


John  Robles






 
 
  

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To: 'Antique Phonograph List'  <phono-l@oldcrank.org> 
Cc: Bob Maffit  <maff...@bresnan.net>
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2016 6:34  PM
Subject: [Phono-L]  cylinder cabinet replacement posts needed


  
 
 
Phono Listers:
 
I  can’t find the source contact information , for the person who I got my 
last  batch of cylinder cardboard replacement posts from.
 
I would appreciate any info you may  have.
 
Thanks in advance
 
Bob Maffit

  


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[Phono-L] phono info needed

[Bob Maffit via Phono-L]

Listers:

 

I am looking for some information regarding a phono I ran across this
weekend.

 

For all practical purposes, it seemed like a Victor III with a Brass bell
horn aprx. 17 ½ in diameter X 28.

 

The oddity for my experience was the ID plate when it identified “type” it
stated it was: “viollon”. Not sure however the last letter looked like an N.

 

Any info and or references would be helpful.

 

Understanding condition, would it be similar to the value of a Vic IIi or is
this special!

 

Later

 

Bob

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[Phono-L] painting flowers on horns?

[Bob Maffit via Phono-L]

Phono Listers:

 

Does anyone have experience with having someone paint flowers on a
phonograph horn?

 

If anyone has a referral for such or comments / recommendations as to Whom:
tips / methods: cautions ext. It would be appreciated.

 

Later

 

Bob

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Re: [Phono-L] Edison Triumph A 2/4 minute conversion kit?

[Bob via Phono-L]

The feed nut and bar are offset. Bob


In a message dated 1/27/2016 7:41:46 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
phono-l@oldcrank.org writes:


The Triumph A 2/4 upgrade mandrel is very rare because most of  the time
you see an A it has the B upgrade mandrel on it which will fit but  you have
to move the upper bed plate all the way to the right so the belt will  not
hit so the screw holding the bedplate down will be all the way to the left 
and not centered in its lug.

All the upgrade mandrels and feedscrews are stamped.  My article  below and
the copies of the Edison letter should answer all your questions, if  not
please let me know.

I have a Triumph A with a B mandrel on it.  No other companies made  them
to my knowledge.  Edison made 2/4 upgrade mandrels and pulleys for  the
Concert, the early Spring Motor, and the ABC triumphs.

Steve



I was able to find  a copy of a letter Edison sent to his dealers telling
about the different  mandrel upgrades for the home and triumphs.  If the
dealers  needed a letter, how much more will this information help us?
Here are some  things that I have found from the letter and myself.  The
lengths of the  triumph feed screws are as follows:
The A is 4 27/32"  and is marked T D A I  and TA on the feedscrew and the
mandrel.
The B is 5" and is  marked T D B I, TBI, or just a large TB on the mandrel
and the end of the  feed screw is also marked.
The C is 5  1/4" and is marked T  D C I on the feedscrew and the mandrel. I
have never seen a C except for  a pulley.
The D and E (and F  I assume) is marked T D only.
The pulley is  marked with an A B C or D.
Homes:
The home is marked  H B I, IHB or H A B I for the A & B and H C for  C.
The home D and  higher is marked H D.
If you put a  Triumph B mandrel on a Triumph A you have to move the upper
bedplate to the  right all the way to compensate or the belt hits where it
goes through the  lower bedplate.  My Triumph A has a B mandrel on  it.
I believe the  pulleys are the same, and think the shifters on the C kits
have the lip like  the D and higher does, but I have only seen one home C and
one triumph C with  the kit so I can’t say for certain.  7 or 8 Triumph C’
s  are known and the Home C is very uncommon.
Until I saw this  letter on eBay (I did not win it but purchased a
photocopy from the winner) I  did not know they made 5 different ones.  If 
anyone
wants a copy of the  letter e-mail to them please contact me.
Steve
>From Terry  Baer:
The model C used a  unique mandrel assembly
with "captured" bearing.  Picture  an early two minute mandrel shaft.
Remove
the mandrel  and turn down the area under the mandrel to about 5/16" leaving
the larger  5/8" feedscrew.  Now slip on a bearing that is 5/8 OD 5/16  ID.
Now slip on a mandrel with smaller 5/16 holes on both ends.   Now slip the
whole assembly in the top works.





From: john9ten via Phono-L  <phono-l@oldcrank.org>
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2016 7:26  PM
To: Antique Phonograph List
Cc:  john9ten
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Triumph A 2/4 minute  conversion kit?


No access to my books right now, would it be different than the one for
the triumph model b?


John robles


 Original message 
From:  Richard Rubin via Phono-L <phono-l@oldcrank.org>
Date: 01/27/2016  3:29 PM (GMT-08:00)
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Cc: Richard Rubin  <richard_ru...@hotmail.com>
Subject: [Phono-L] Edison Triumph A 2/4  minute conversion kit?

I have heard tell here and there that Edison, and possible some  other
companies, produced 2/4 minute conversion kits for the Triumph model A
phonograph, but I have never seen one, and I'm not sure I know anyone who  has. 
 Can
anyone out there confirm the existence of such a beast?   If so, have you
ever seen one for sale, and what did it go for?

[Phono-L] FW: Hexaphone Parts

[Bob Kolba]

 

 

From: Bob Kolba [mailto:rkolba0...@aol.com] 
Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2014 9:43 AM
To: 'phon...@oldcrank.org'
Subject: Hexaphone Parts

 

I am in need of a crank for a Hexaphone. Alternatively, do any of you know
of somebody who might be able to fabricate one if I provided a prototype?
Many thanks. rkolba0...@aol.com

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Re: [Phono-L] Peruvian Vic VI cabinet and horn pricing

[Bob Maffit]

John:

Thanks for listing the various info.

Later

Bob

-Original Message-
From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On 
Behalf Of john robles
Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2014 7:51 AM
To: Antique Phonograph List
Subject: [Phono-L] Peruvian Vic VI cabinet and horn pricing

Hello all
Here is the pricing info from Eduardo on the Vic VI cabinet and horn and the 
matching disc cabinets:  I'll get the pricing on the Opera horn and other horns 
later today, hopefully.
Mahogany Spear Point $710, 
The motor cabinet for Victor VI $750 (comes with all the holes if needed and 
all gold plated fittings on the columns. If additional bronze gold plated parts 
like the latch with the rear support and the crank escutcheon are needed, I 
sell those parts new for $100 and can install them. I can send 4 rubber 
supports for the motor for free).

Shipping for the horn is $75 and for the motor cabinet $110 to the US.

Record Cabients:
1) Cabinet That Matches brand, this model is taller than the second and with 
less carving parts.
2) A Herzog 820 brand, this is a replica with bronze fittings instead of carved 
wood. Very rare model, I had the chance to get in contact with a person that 
restored one of that type in the 70's.

Prices:

Cabinet 1: ( Cabinet That Matches )
Cost : $3750
Cabinet 2: ( Herzog type 820 )
Cost: $4450
Delivery cost depends on where are you locate in the USA and can be around 
$570.  If you buy 2 the shipping will increase just a little more.
We can also list it on Ebay for your safety.



 From: Bob Maffit maff...@bresnan.net
To: 'Antique Phonograph List' phono-l@oldcrank.org 
Sent: Monday, March 31, 2014 7:55 PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Opera Horn from Peru and Opera horn restoration
 

John:

I appreciate your work  interest in the products. I will be interested in your 
findings and info.

Later

Bob

-Original Message-
From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On 
Behalf Of john robles
Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2014 11:04 PM
To: Antique Phonograph List
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Opera Horn from Peru and Opera horn restoration

Hi Bob and everyone. I got a lot of pics form Eduardo of the cabinets and 
horns, they are outstanding.  I am creating a Photobucket link so you can check 
them out, and will also write a post about the pricing etc.
John Robles



From: Bob Maffit maff...@bresnan.net
To: 'Antique Phonograph List' phono-l@oldcrank.org 
Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2014 7:23 AM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Opera Horn from Peru and Opera horn restoration


John:

Thanks a lot for the link. I have been wondering about his products / cost etc.

Later

Bob

-Original Message-
From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On 
Behalf Of john robles
Sent: Friday, March 28, 2014 11:36 PM
To: Antique Phonograph List
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Opera Horn from Peru and Opera horn restoration

Here is a link to a picture of the Peruvian repro horn and Victor VI matching 
disc cabinet. This setup was for sale at the last CAPS show for $6500, as I 
recall.
http://s197.photobucket.com/user/john9ten/library/Repro%20horn%20and%20cabinet

John



From: Bob Maffit maff...@bresnan.net
To: 'Antique Phonograph List' phono-l@oldcrank.org 
Sent: Friday, March 28, 2014 8:25 PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Opera Horn from Peru and Opera horn restoration


John:

Do you know the price of the:

Horn, Vic VI cabinet, and the matching storage cabinet?

Later

Bob

-Original Message-
From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On 
Behalf Of John Robles
Sent: Friday, March 28, 2014 9:35 AM
To: Antique Phonograph List
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Opera Horn from Peru and Opera horn restoration

Hi Bill
I have seen the horns from Peru, and they are superb. A friend of mine brings 
some of the items here, including the Mahogany Victor spearpoint horn and the 
Victor VI cabinet and matching record cabinet repros. I was astounded to find 
they were repros.  Out of curiosity I ordered a set of cygnet decals from the 
guy (he also makes digital decals like Glenn does) and they are amazing. He is 
a very friendly guy and is quick to respond to emails. He speaks very good 
English.  If you are considering one of those horns I would recommend them.
John Robles

 On Mar 28, 2014, at 8:09 AM, Bill Taney b...@taney.com wrote:
 
 Anyone have or have an opinion on these Opera horns from Peru? How are they 
 in terms of a repro compared to what else is available?
 
 Also, I am wondering who is the best wizard are restoring the original horn. 
 I have an Opera that came out of a farm auction in MN and the guy was quite 
 handy and tried a go at fixing it. It has the original decals the rest of the 
 horn has at least been lightened and reglued, maybe refinished. It’s not bad, 
 actually the bell looks good from a distance

Re: [Phono-L] Opera Horn from Peru and Opera horn restoration

[Bob Maffit]

John:

I appreciate your work  interest in the products. I will be interested in your 
findings and info.

Later

Bob

-Original Message-
From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On 
Behalf Of john robles
Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2014 11:04 PM
To: Antique Phonograph List
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Opera Horn from Peru and Opera horn restoration

Hi Bob and everyone. I got a lot of pics form Eduardo of the cabinets and 
horns, they are outstanding.  I am creating a Photobucket link so you can check 
them out, and will also write a post about the pricing etc.
John Robles



 From: Bob Maffit maff...@bresnan.net
To: 'Antique Phonograph List' phono-l@oldcrank.org 
Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2014 7:23 AM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Opera Horn from Peru and Opera horn restoration
 

John:

Thanks a lot for the link. I have been wondering about his products / cost etc.

Later

Bob

-Original Message-
From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On 
Behalf Of john robles
Sent: Friday, March 28, 2014 11:36 PM
To: Antique Phonograph List
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Opera Horn from Peru and Opera horn restoration

Here is a link to a picture of the Peruvian repro horn and Victor VI matching 
disc cabinet. This setup was for sale at the last CAPS show for $6500, as I 
recall.
http://s197.photobucket.com/user/john9ten/library/Repro%20horn%20and%20cabinet

John



From: Bob Maffit maff...@bresnan.net
To: 'Antique Phonograph List' phono-l@oldcrank.org 
Sent: Friday, March 28, 2014 8:25 PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Opera Horn from Peru and Opera horn restoration


John:

Do you know the price of the:

Horn, Vic VI cabinet, and the matching storage cabinet?

Later

Bob

-Original Message-
From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On 
Behalf Of John Robles
Sent: Friday, March 28, 2014 9:35 AM
To: Antique Phonograph List
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Opera Horn from Peru and Opera horn restoration

Hi Bill
I have seen the horns from Peru, and they are superb. A friend of mine brings 
some of the items here, including the Mahogany Victor spearpoint horn and the 
Victor VI cabinet and matching record cabinet repros. I was astounded to find 
they were repros.  Out of curiosity I ordered a set of cygnet decals from the 
guy (he also makes digital decals like Glenn does) and they are amazing. He is 
a very friendly guy and is quick to respond to emails. He speaks very good 
English.  If you are considering one of those horns I would recommend them.
John Robles

 On Mar 28, 2014, at 8:09 AM, Bill Taney b...@taney.com wrote:
 
 Anyone have or have an opinion on these Opera horns from Peru? How are they 
 in terms of a repro compared to what else is available?
 
 Also, I am wondering who is the best wizard are restoring the original horn. 
 I have an Opera that came out of a farm auction in MN and the guy was quite 
 handy and tried a go at fixing it. It has the original decals the rest of the 
 horn has at least been lightened and reglued, maybe refinished. It’s not bad, 
 actually the bell looks good from a distance, but it is splitting. The elbo 
 he spray painted brown. Interestingly didn’t touch the rest of the machine, 
 it is completely original and super nice. 
 
 Thanks
 Bill
 
 
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Re: [Phono-L] Opera Horn from Peru and Opera horn restoration

[Bob Maffit]

John:

Thanks a lot for the link. I have been wondering about his products / cost etc.

Later

Bob

-Original Message-
From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On 
Behalf Of john robles
Sent: Friday, March 28, 2014 11:36 PM
To: Antique Phonograph List
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Opera Horn from Peru and Opera horn restoration

Here is a link to a picture of the Peruvian repro horn and Victor VI matching 
disc cabinet. This setup was for sale at the last CAPS show for $6500, as I 
recall.
http://s197.photobucket.com/user/john9ten/library/Repro%20horn%20and%20cabinet

John



 From: Bob Maffit maff...@bresnan.net
To: 'Antique Phonograph List' phono-l@oldcrank.org 
Sent: Friday, March 28, 2014 8:25 PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Opera Horn from Peru and Opera horn restoration
 

John:

Do you know the price of the:

Horn, Vic VI cabinet, and the matching storage cabinet?

Later

Bob

-Original Message-
From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On 
Behalf Of John Robles
Sent: Friday, March 28, 2014 9:35 AM
To: Antique Phonograph List
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Opera Horn from Peru and Opera horn restoration

Hi Bill
I have seen the horns from Peru, and they are superb. A friend of mine brings 
some of the items here, including the Mahogany Victor spearpoint horn and the 
Victor VI cabinet and matching record cabinet repros. I was astounded to find 
they were repros.  Out of curiosity I ordered a set of cygnet decals from the 
guy (he also makes digital decals like Glenn does) and they are amazing. He is 
a very friendly guy and is quick to respond to emails. He speaks very good 
English.  If you are considering one of those horns I would recommend them.
John Robles

 On Mar 28, 2014, at 8:09 AM, Bill Taney b...@taney.com wrote:
 
 Anyone have or have an opinion on these Opera horns from Peru? How are they 
 in terms of a repro compared to what else is available?
 
 Also, I am wondering who is the best wizard are restoring the original horn. 
 I have an Opera that came out of a farm auction in MN and the guy was quite 
 handy and tried a go at fixing it. It has the original decals the rest of the 
 horn has at least been lightened and reglued, maybe refinished. It’s not bad, 
 actually the bell looks good from a distance, but it is splitting. The elbo 
 he spray painted brown. Interestingly didn’t touch the rest of the machine, 
 it is completely original and super nice. 
 
 Thanks
 Bill
 
 
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Re: [Phono-L] Opera Horn from Peru and Opera horn restoration

[Bob Maffit]

Bill:

I agree, I have had Don do work on a couple of horns and they are great!

Later

Bob

-Original Message-
From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On 
Behalf Of harvey kravitz
Sent: Friday, March 28, 2014 1:06 PM
To: Antique Phonograph List
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Opera Horn from Peru and Opera horn restoration

Hi Bill,
I would have the original horn restored. The man to do it is Don Gfell. He 
restores wooden horns and makes new ones. A couple of years ago, he made a 
spruce horn for my Edison Idealia.
Harvey Kravitz





On Friday, March 28, 2014 10:47 AM, John Robles john9...@pacbell.net wrote:
 
Does Don do exact repro horns?? I have seen some of his horns that are fanciful 
and pretty, but does he do spearpoints etc??
John

 On Mar 28, 2014, at 10:00 AM, Darrell Lehman nickja...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Don Gfell in Ohio does excellent work - http://www.edisonman.com/
 
 
 Bill Taney wrote:
 Anyone have or have an opinion on these Opera horns from Peru? How are they 
 in terms of a repro compared to what else is available?
 
 Also, I am wondering who is the best wizard are restoring the original horn. 
 I have an Opera that came out of a farm auction in MN and the guy was quite 
 handy and tried a go at fixing it. It has the original decals the rest of 
 the horn has at least been lightened and reglued, maybe refinished. It’s not 
 bad, actually the bell looks good from a distance, but it is splitting. The 
 elbo he spray painted brown. Interestingly didn’t touch the rest of the 
 machine, it is completely original and super nice.
 
 Thanks
 Bill
 
 
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[Phono-L] American Record Labels book

[Bob Maffit]

Phono Listers:

 

Previously I got an American history Of Record Labels or something like
that from Main Spring Press however, had a friend look and we can't seem to
find the book. I likely have the title wrong, and I think it was by Sutton 
Knoxss (?)

 

Does anyone know the exact title and where to get one?

 

Later

 

Bob

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Re: [Phono-L] American Record Labels book

[Bob Maffit]

Robert:

Thanks a bunch for the name and correct spelling.

Later

Bob

-Original Message-
From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On
Behalf Of Robert Wright
Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 5:39 PM
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] American Record Labels book

Bob, the other name you're looking for is Nauck, Kurt Nauck, purveyor of one
of the best vintage record auctions on the planet. :-) Among other things,
Kurt provided the hundreds of hi-res label pictures on the included CD-ROM. 

 Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2014 14:59:07 -0700
 From: majesticrec...@snet.net
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] American Record Labels book
 
 The book has been out of print for a while but Alan Sutton has said he has
been working on a revised edition.  A few promised dates have come and gone
but other projects took precedence is what I understand.  I presume it's
getting close.  I have the 2000 edition.  It's a great book but  I'm also
waiting for this revised book to come out.
 
 Glenn
 
 
 www.majesticrecord.com
 
 
 
  From: Merle Sprinzen msprin...@gmail.com
 To: 'Antique Phonograph List' phono-l@oldcrank.org 
 Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 4:35 PM
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] American Record Labels book
  
 
 Here's the book, but I see it's out of print and couldn't find it on the
 Mainspring Press website either:

http://www.amazon.com/American-Record-Labels-Companies-Encyclopedia/dp/09671
 81909
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org]
On
 Behalf Of Bob Maffit
 Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 4:16 PM
 To: Antique Phonograph List
 Subject: [Phono-L] American Record Labels book
 
 Phono Listers:
 
 
 
 Previously I got an American history Of Record Labels or something like
 that from Main Spring Press however, had a friend look and we can't seem
to
 find the book. I likely have the title wrong, and I think it was by Sutton

 Knoxss (?)
 
 
 
 Does anyone know the exact title and where to get one?
 
 
 
 Later
 
 
 
 Bob
 
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Re: [Phono-L] American Record Labels book

[Bob Maffit]

Merle:

Thanks for the title.

Maybe my friend can get one directly from 78rpm.com

Later

Bob

-Original Message-
From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On
Behalf Of Merle Sprinzen
Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 2:36 PM
To: 'Antique Phonograph List'
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] American Record Labels book

Here's the book, but I see it's out of print and couldn't find it on the
Mainspring Press website either:
http://www.amazon.com/American-Record-Labels-Companies-Encyclopedia/dp/09671
81909


-Original Message-
From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On
Behalf Of Bob Maffit
Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 4:16 PM
To: Antique Phonograph List
Subject: [Phono-L] American Record Labels book

Phono Listers:

 

Previously I got an American history Of Record Labels or something like
that from Main Spring Press however, had a friend look and we can't seem to
find the book. I likely have the title wrong, and I think it was by Sutton 
Knoxss (?)

 

Does anyone know the exact title and where to get one?

 

Later

 

Bob

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Re: [Phono-L] NEW ITEMS FOR SALE

[Bob Maffit]

*smile* I enjoyed it as well

Later

Bob

-Original Message-
From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On 
Behalf Of Peter Fraser
Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2014 6:18 PM
To: Antique Phonograph List
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] NEW ITEMS FOR SALE

Oh I'm sure most of us enjoyed watching the whole tableau unfold on a slow 
winters' day.

I know I did.

Such drama!  Which Ken will get it? Do both Kens actually want it? Is the Ken 
that wants it the same Ken that Shawn thinks the Ken is?  And what does Ken 
think the other Ken is thinking?  Since the H is gone, will Shawn offer the 
other Ken a K?  Can the Kens do the Can-Can?

Now, where's my medication? I know I left it here someplace.

Sent from my iPhone

-- Peter
pjfra...@mac.com

 On Mar 12, 2014, at 1:46 PM, mshawnorou...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Thank you Jim 
 
 
 I apologize to the list. 
 
 
 Shawn 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 Michael Shawn O'Rourke
 248 915 0954
 
 
 
 
 
 From: Jim Nichol
 Sent: ‎Wednesday‎, ‎March‎ ‎12‎, ‎2014 ‎4‎:‎19‎ ‎PM
 To: Antique Phonograph List
 
 
 
 
 
 Shawn, the reason you and Ken D. are confused is that this entire transaction 
 was conducted publicly on Phonolist.  That isn't a problem, except that Shawn 
 and Ken Danckaert (and possibly Ken Ogden) didn't know that. So no, Shawn did 
 not accidentally send an email to Ken Danckaert.
 
 Remember, everyone. Any time you reply to a message from Phonolist, it goes 
 out to everyone. This is in spite of the fact that an individual's email 
 address appears in the header of each message.
 
 Jim Nichol
 
 On Mar 12, 2014, at 3:33 PM, mshawnorou...@gmail.com 
 mshawnorou...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Sorry Ken.  I am confused.   Phonoken bought the reproducer around 11:03 
 today.  I am not sure how I got your email.  I apologize. 
 
 
 Shawn 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 Michael Shawn O'Rourke
 248 915 0954
 
 
 
 
 
 From: Ken Danckaert
 Sent: ‎Wednesday‎, ‎March‎ ‎12‎, ‎2014 ‎1‎:‎55‎ ‎PM
 To: Antique Phonograph List
 
 
 
 
 
 Hi Shawn,
 
 Phonoken is not me.  I am kendphono.
 
 Ken Danckaert
 
 
 On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 1:14 PM, mshawnorou...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Thank you Ken.
 
 
 
 
 I'll mark it sold to you.   I can ship it priority to a US address, with
 insurance for 8.35.  So the total would be $113.35.
 
 
 Shoot me your address and I'll get it boxed up and mark it sold.
 
 
 Shawn
 
 
 
 
 
 
 Michael Shawn O'Rourke
 248 915 0954
 
 
 
 
 
 From: phono...@aol.com
 Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2014 11:44 AM
 To: Antique Phonograph List
 
 
 
 
 
 
 Not sure my reply was received.  I would like to buy the reproducer.
 Please send total due and your mailing address.  Thanks
 Ken Ogden
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: phonoken phono...@aol.com
 To: phono-l phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Sent: Wed, Mar 12, 2014 10:03 am
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] NEW ITEMS FOR SALE
 
 
 
 I'll take the Model H reproducer.  Please provide total due and your
 mailing
 address.  Thanks
 Ken Ogden
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: mshawnorourke mshawnorou...@gmail.com
 To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Sent: Wed, Mar 12, 2014 9:19 am
 Subject: [Phono-L] NEW ITEMS FOR SALE
 
 
 EDISON MODEL H: A very nice Edison model H reproducer. This one retains
 most of
 its original green stain. These reproducers were stained Green to allow the
 owners to distinguish between the Edison H and the Edison C. This one plays
 wonderfully. I replaced the limit loop which was missing when I received
 it. The
 
 original jewel is nice on this one. It easily fits in and out of the
 carriage.
 This would be a nice reproducer to add to your Edison four minute machine.
 
 PRICE: $105.00.
 
 
 EDISON LONG CASE HOME BOTTOM CASE: This is the bottom only to an Edison
 Home
 Long Case model A. It has a very nice original decal and much better than
 average original finish. The bottom board has the common split observed in
 most
 Edison Home cases. This could be a nice upgrade for a case bottom that has
 been
 refinished or has a less than desirable decal. It is a nice case bottom.
 
 PRICE: $95.00
 
 
 HAWTHORN AND SHEBLE CRANE. It is suitable and will work well on an Edison
 Home,
 Standard or Triumph. As well, it works on Columbia machines, certainly and
 A or
 an N. Being very adjustable, it will work with most smaller, as well as
 most
 larger horns (and all in between)This one is in as found condition and
 could use
 
 a little cleaning up. It will make a nice crane for someone who wants an
 all
 original example for their machine.
 
 PRICE: $165.00.
 
 
 
 Pictures available on request.
 
 
 Shipping and insurance only are additional. I will pay for the cost of a
 well
 packaged item.
 
 
 No PayPal, checks only.
 
 
 
 
 Please contact: mshawnorou...@gmail.com with interest.
 
 
 
 
 Michael Shawn O'Rourke
 248 915 0954
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Re: [Phono-L] Edison model C question / identification?

[Bob Maffit]

Dave:

would the ICS model be some ware in the Frow book?

I could get someone to look.

later

Bob

-Original Message-
From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On
Behalf Of David Dazer
Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2014 2:39 AM
To: Antique Phonograph List
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison model C question / identification?

It is not an ICS model is it?
Dave
 


 From: Bob Maffit maff...@bresnan.net
To: 'Antique Phonograph List' phono-l@oldcrank.org 
Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2014 11:38 AM
Subject: [Phono-L] Edison model C question / identification?
  

Listers:



Obtained what I thought was a run of the mill Edison Standard Model C
however, when it arrived via USPS, found some interesting features.



It is in the gunk tank, so can't go look at the moment but:



It looks like a regular Edison Standard when looking at the case. The ID
plate indicates it is a model C ( don't recall if it says Standard): no
gate: has what I would call an early model speed control knob at the left
front of the bed-plate: has what I think is a factory shaver  ( thumb
button on the right) built on the cast part of the bed plate which the
carriage rides across: normal run of the mill Edison model C reproducer.



Likely should have been trashed however, you know the drill. Rusty /
corroded everything is frozen etc.



Any thoughts: What page may this be on in the FROW book?



Thanks



Later



Bob

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[Phono-L] Edison model C question / identification?

[Bob Maffit]

Listers:

 

Obtained what I thought was a run of the mill Edison Standard Model C
however, when it arrived via USPS, found some interesting features.

 

It is in the gunk tank, so can't go look at the moment but:

 

It looks like a regular Edison Standard when looking at the case. The ID
plate indicates it is a model C ( don't recall if it says Standard): no
gate: has what I would call an early model speed control knob at the left
front of the bed-plate: has what I think is a factory shaver  ( thumb
button on the right) built on the cast part of the bed plate which the
carriage rides across: normal run of the mill Edison model C reproducer.

 

Likely should have been trashed however, you know the drill. Rusty /
corroded everything is frozen etc.

 

Any thoughts: What page may this be on in the FROW book?

 

Thanks

 

Later

 

Bob

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Re: [Phono-L] Sat. Night Chat

[Bob Maffit]

John:

I was wondering myself, as I posted my inquiry early yesterday morning and
as of last night, no responding posts. This morning I have a few and if I am
premature in this response, I am moving up the inbox to read the real-time
sequence.

later

Bob

-Original Message-
From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On
Behalf Of john robles
Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2014 5:45 AM
To: Antique Phonograph List
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Sat. Night Chat

I thought maybe the list was dead or something! I've tried to post a couple
of things and I get a rejection notice. Have I been black balled? :-)
John Robles





 From: Ron L'Herault lhera...@verizon.net
To: phonol...@yahoogroups.com; 'Antique Phonograph List'
phono-l@oldcrank.org 
Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2014 6:15 PM
Subject: [Phono-L] Sat. Night Chat
 

It would appear that the chat page is down tonight.   Rats.    It has been
fairly quiet of late on the chat but it is still fun to chat with other
collectors.

Ron L

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Re: [Phono-L] Amberola Spring Re-greasing question

[Bob Maffit]

What is: Scotch brite 
later

Bob

-Original Message-
From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On
Behalf Of Rich
Sent: Monday, September 02, 2013 2:42 PM
To: Antique Phonograph List
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Amberola Spring Re-greasing question

Gently spring enough tabs to allow just popping the cover off. Scotch brite
the spring to remove all the ossified graphite and Vaseline that is hanging
it up. Relube with a high grade large clock spring lube or something like
this
http://www.amsoil.com/shop/by-product/grease/synthetic-polymeric-truck-chass
is-and-equipment-grease-nlgi-1/?code=GPTR1CR-EA

On 09/02/2013 03:08 PM, john robles wrote:
 Hello all
 I have a question. I have an Amberola 75 that I got a a possible
trade/sale machine later on. For now I am keeping it. The springs are badly
in need of lubrication, and the leaves are coming apart as the machine plays
with noisy results.  The springs may even need replacement.  I have not
regreased Amberola springs before, and I see that the barrels are held
closed with metal tabs. To clean and grease the spring you have to unbend
them. Anyone done this with successful results (i.e. not breaking the tabs
while bending)?  I am tempted to buy another good spring barrel assembly
with quiet, well greased springs for $95 as opposed to doing it myself. If I
send it out, it would cost me over $100 to have it done by someone else. I
do spring replacement jobs on Edison phonos, but I don't like doing it!
 What's your advice?
 John Robles
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[Phono-L] urgent recording request

[Bob Maffit]

Phono folks:

 

Cutting to the chase:

 

My daughter just called and wanted to know if she could get a 78 recorded to
use on a windup on her wedding August 31st!

 

Any referrals or willingness to do such on your part, if possible, would be
appreciated.

 

I think they could send a MP3 sound file to cut from, or something.

 

I know how *** of a request, this is , however ***

 

Thanks

 

Bob

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Re: [Phono-L] Victor I elbow needed

[Bob Maffit]

Ken:

Wonderful!

My Victor I uses the clamp down type of elbow and not the slip in. 
It clamps down with the thumb screw and the prong / fork clamp. Not the
right words but, I think it helps.

If it is the correct type, the arrangements are fine.

Hope that helps. I am looking forward to the pics.

again, thanks

Bob
-Original Message-
From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On
Behalf Of Ken and Brenda Brekke
Sent: Monday, July 22, 2013 5:58 PM
To: 'Antique Phonograph List'
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Victor I elbow needed

Bob,
Did you find an original Victor I elbow yet?  I thought I sold mine at the
Union show but I checked my display box and still have it.  It is the
correct pinned style for the early beveled turntable I.  I also have a
Victor I tone arm.  I am asking 150 for the elbow and will include shipping
and insurance.  I can send pictures in a couple of days as our camera died
and will have to get another one.
Ken Brekke


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From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On
Behalf Of Bob Maffit
Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2013 4:19 PM
To: 'Antique Phonograph List'
Subject: [Phono-L] Victor I elbow needed

Phono listers:

 

I am in need of a Victor I horn elbow. In the event you know of one
available, please let me know.

 

An original is preferred however, repro will function until an original can
be found.

 

thanks

 

Bob

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[Phono-L] Victor I elbow needed

[Bob Maffit]

Phono listers:

 

I am in need of a Victor I horn elbow. In the event you know of one
available, please let me know.

 

An original is preferred however, repro will function until an original can
be found.

 

thanks

 

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[Phono-L] Victor / nipper Dog item found, question

[Bob Maffit]

Phono Listers:

 

I found a curious item in a junk shop in Iowa last week and want to know
more about it.

 

It is a little Victor / nipper Dog either mettle or pewter, not sure. I
touched a magnet to it and it didn't stick. Maybe brass/?

It is silver / grey ( pewter and is on a round bass which is 2.25 in
diameter. On the base in the front, is Victor and underneath the bass it
has a hole which must allow it to be threaded on something. 

 

It has  H. A. Reif mfg Co Phila on the underside of the base as well.

 

From the base to the top of nipper's ear is 3.25 of an inch.

 

I thought it may be a hood ornament however mentioned  it to someone and
well * , I really didn't think it was that poor of an idea! *grin*

 

Your assistance is appreciated

 

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Re: [Phono-L] Victor / nipper Dog item found, question

[Bob Maffit]

Art:

Thanks a bunch for the response.
I
Later

Bob


-Original Message-
From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On
Behalf Of aph4...@aol.com
Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2013 9:41 PM
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Victor / nipper Dog item found, question

That actually is an ornament which appeared on top of a Victor metal needle 
 sales box which would have been placed on a store counter.  They have 
often  been removed from the boxes and mistaken for or used as hood
ornaments.   
It's a great little item but with the box would be even more interesting.
---Art Heller
 
 
In a message dated 6/30/2013 7:23:17 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,  
maff...@bresnan.net writes:

Phono  Listers:



I found a curious item in a junk shop in Iowa last  week and want to know
more about it.



It is a little Victor /  nipper Dog either mettle or pewter, not sure. I
touched a magnet to it and  it didn't stick. Maybe brass/?

It is silver / grey ( pewter and is  on a round bass which is 2.25 in
diameter. On the base in the front, is  Victor and underneath the bass it
has a hole which must allow it to be  threaded on something. 



It has  H. A. Reif mfg Co Phila on the  underside of the base as well.



From the base to the top of  nipper's ear is 3.25 of an inch.



I thought it may be a hood  ornament however mentioned  it to someone and
well * , I really  didn't think it was that poor of an idea! *grin*



Your  assistance is  appreciated



Bob

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[Phono-L] Standard back bracket fastening cap nuts needed

[Bob Maffit]

Phono Listers:

 

I am looking for the 2 fastening cap nuts for a standard talking Machine
back bracket rear mount machine.

 

It seems like I have seen reproduction nuts for sale some ware. In the
event anyone on the list either knows of a source or has some to part with,
contact me off line.

 

A link to a site would work as well.

 

Later

 

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Re: [Phono-L] Victor II back bracket question

[Bob Maffit]

John:

thanks for the tip, I was concerned of such.

later

Bob

-Original Message-
From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On
Behalf Of john robles
Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 11:47 PM
To: Antique Phonograph List
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Victor II back bracket question

Hi BobIt is a special one. I once had a Vic II humpback with no back
bracket, and I got a Vic III bracket and it was not correct. Later I found
the correct bracket.John Robles

--- On Tue, 5/28/13, Bob Maffit maff...@bresnan.net wrote:

From: Bob Maffit maff...@bresnan.net
Subject: [Phono-L] Victor II back bracket question
To: 'Antique Phonograph List' phono-l@oldcrank.org
Date: Tuesday, May 28, 2013, 7:33 PM

Phono Listers:

 

I Was discussing a restoration project with my friend and I have the
following question:

 

When looking for a back bracket for a Victor II humpback, will one from a
3 / 4 work or is it a special one only for the Victor II/ hump back? I am
quite sure a Victor I is to small.

 

any help is appreciated.

 

thanks in advance

 

Bob

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[Phono-L] Victor II back bracket question

[Bob Maffit]

Phono Listers:

 

I Was discussing a restoration project with my friend and I have the
following question:

 

When looking for a back bracket for a Victor II humpback, will one from a
3 / 4 work or is it a special one only for the Victor II/ hump back? I am
quite sure a Victor I is to small.

 

any help is appreciated.

 

thanks in advance

 

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[Phono-L] Columbia conversion question re BF to BFT

[Bob Maffit]

Phono List:

 

I recently acquired a Columbia BF and am considering converting it into a
BFT. Apparently, I need a special back bracket, different than a normal
Columbia back bracket, and a telescoping tone arm.

 

What may I expect to pay for such and am I correct in my plan and assessment
of needed parts.

 

Does anyone on the list have the parts and may be willing to get rid of
them? 

 

Contact me off list if you have the parts. The response to my question may
be beneficial to others on the list.

 

Later

 

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Re: [Phono-L] early Vic III ?

[Bob Maffit]

Bruce:

thanks for clearing this up for me.

later

Bob

-Original Message-
From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On
Behalf Of bruce78...@comcast.net
Sent: Monday, April 15, 2013 10:51 AM
To: Antique Phonograph List
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] early Vic III ?

According to LFTD, Victor D was 1903-1907 while the Victor M was 1901-1905.
The Victor Data Book has the M as the precursor of the Victor III, and the
Victor D as the precursor of the Victor V. 

Bruce 

- Original Message -
From: Bob Maffit maff...@bresnan.net 
To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org 
Sent: Monday, April 15, 2013 9:46:13 AM 
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] early Vic III ? 

Bruce: 

Most recently, I read a reference to a Victor D being the precursor to the

Victor III, and I had recalled the Victor M being such as well. 

Is the reference to the Victor D inaccurate as I suspect it was produced 
during the same time as the Victor M? 

Later 

Bob 

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From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On 
Behalf Of bruce78...@comcast.net 
Sent: Monday, April 15, 2013 5:41 AM 
To: Antique Phonograph List 
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] early Vic III ? 

Since The Victor III started out as the Victor M (Monarch) model in 1901, 
and then was transitioned to Victor III nomenclature around 1905 when the 
tapered arm was first used, and there was some overlap in production with 
the M Model series, there could have been some use of parts from the earlier

Monarch used on your machine, especially since your machine has and early 4 
digit serial number, and a very early bottom sticker date from 1902, which 
you would expect to find on the earliest of the III models which had a rigid

arm and concert sound box, and forward positioned crank. This is extremely 
interesting. That horn is still a mystery, since it does not match up at all

to any that Victor was producing for any of its machines at the time, but it

fits perfectly into the elbow intended for your Victor III. It is somewhat 
similar to the round pedaled horns used on the Victor O, but much larger in 
length and horn opening. Hopefully someone can identify that horn, the 
maker, and 
whether it was from a separate Company that made the horns. 

Bruce 

- Original Message - 
From: Ron L'Herault lhera...@bu.edu 
To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org 
Sent: Sunday, April 14, 2013 11:43:19 PM 
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] early Vic III ? 

I can send pictures to you, if you'd like. What parts do you want to see? 

Ron L 

-Original Message- 
From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On 
Behalf Of Ken and Brenda Brekke 
Sent: Sunday, April 14, 2013 10:17 PM 
To: 'Antique Phonograph List' 
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] early Vic III ? 

Is it possible to have a link to pictures? It sounds interesting. 
Ken B. 

-Original Message- 
From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On 
Behalf Of Ron L'Herault 
Sent: Sunday, April 14, 2013 8:42 PM 
To: phonol...@yahoogroups.com; 'Antique Phonograph List' 
Subject: [Phono-L] early Vic III ? 

I've just acquired a machine with a plate that reads Type Vic III with 
serial number 8212 and am wondering if I have got a frankenphono or maybe a 
machine in transition. It has a slotted winding shaft but it is located to 
the rear of the case. I'm sure the crank has been fudged. It is tubular 
an tapered but the down part is not parallel to the side of the case and 
the wall thickness of the slot end is thicker than that of my Vic Type 6 
crank (which fits the III perfectly, BTW). The escutcheon is just a flat 
plate with two screw holes and a rather large center hole that matches the 
case hole. I have not found a plugged hole to indicate that a new crank 
hole has been made either. There are no extra holes in the motorboard. 
The motor is a Victor motor. It has lead gov. weights. Cabinet size is in 
the right range. I thought that the reproducer was an early one but even 
that is in doubt. It had the flat end balance springs and the round needle 
chuck but the needle chuck has solder showing where it attaches to the rest 
of the needle bar. It could have been swapped from another reproducer 
although I don't know why the whole needle bar would not have been used. 
jamb nuts are the earlier round, grooved edge type rather than nuts. The 
horn seems to fit correctly, has a rivet and bayonets into the elbow. It is 
petaled and appears to be brass. Oh, and one last clue, the antiques 
dealer mentioned that the previous owner had lots of machines and many of 
them were sold at auction. She acquired it last May along with a Victrola 
IX which I did not inspect. 

What are the thoughts of our listmates on this one? 

Ron L 

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Re: [Phono-L] Attn: Steve Medved, re: original hinge block

[Bob Maffit]

Phono list:

Often I get in a hurry to get the parts or work done so I can restore
something and have another treasure. 

Unfortunately others have busy schedules and maybe other obligations , or
even the cold or flu so..

I agree, Steve is as honest and reliable as the sun will rise.

later

Bob

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From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On
Behalf Of Paul Christenzen
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 5:12 PM
To: Antique Phonograph List
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Attn: Steve Medved, re: original hinge block

ONE WEEK... come on - Steve's the most honest, reliableand able guy 
I've met in 40 years of collecting - sheesh...give the guy a chance to 
breathe before you try to embarrass him!!


chuck richards wrote:
 This is a completely on topic post.
 Sorry for previously mis-posting in Amberola lll topic
 about this.

 Steve Medved:

 I need for you to honor your agreement to ship to
 me one original hinge block for the reworked Edison
 model H top.

 You made this agreement with me one week ago, and have
 not shown any signs so far of honoring it as of yet.

 There is still time to fix all of this and to make it
 right.  I will be waiting.

 Apologies to the forum for using it this way.
 I wanted one completely properly titled, properly
 on-topic post about this.

 Chuck Richards
 http://www.richardslaboratories.com




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[Phono-L] Victor VV-XII sn 504

[Bob Maffit]

Phono Listers:

 

Maybe a little karma is weighing in on  Clockwork Al's laments regarding
parting out phonos, as I can gratefully report to those of you who were
similarly concerned about my  research and consideration  of doing such with
my Victor VV-XII a short while back, it is done and works wonderfully
well.

 

I don't know the protocol regarding posting pics, so need a little guidance
in how to do so.

Ideally, submitting a post to phonolist with a couple of pic attachments
would work. If not, please advise as what to do and maybe I can get some
assistance with photo-bucket or something.

 

I am thankful I listened to you listers with encouragement, offers of
support and help, and even those  with a little criticism. *smile*

 

First, I want to thank my phono friends Gayle  Voisine  Don Keil for all of
their work and yes, you phonelisters  as well.

Given its sn is 504, I think it is now the earliest VV-Xii known on the
planet! or...something like that! sounds good

 

At any rate, another phono saved!

 

again, thanks

 

later

 

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Re: [Phono-L] list down?

[Bob Maffit]

Ron:

I had the same thought a day or so ago.

Later

Bob

-Original Message-
From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On
Behalf Of Ron L'Herault
Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2013 6:55 AM
To: 'Antique Phonograph List'
Subject: [Phono-L] list down?

I've been asked if the list is not working, so this is a test to satisfy my
curiosity.  Down or just quiet?

Ron L

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[Phono-L] Victor I question

[Bob Maffit]

Phono List:

 

Are the back-bracket and tone arm from a Victor I  II interchangeable?

Are the parts needed interchangeable from other 

machines workable as well?

 

later

 

Bob

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Re: [Phono-L] Victor I question

[Bob Maffit]

Tim:

thanks for the response, I will stay with the Victor I parts for the
machine.

later

Bob

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From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On
Behalf Of Tim Fabrizio
Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2013 10:55 AM
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Victor I question

The Victor I used back-bracket/elbow parts UNIQUE to it. Parts from other
machines can not be substituted. There is some anecdotal evidence to suggest
that in the period 1915 - 1920 those small numbers of Victor I's being
produced may finally have acquired back-brackets virtually identical to
contemporary Victor II's, but these machines are extremely rare and
therefore do not enter into the discussion. 

Best wishes,

Tim Fabrizio
phonophan
PO Box 747 
Henrietta, NY 14467

TEL 585 582 1586
Web site: www.phonophan.com

 

 

 

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From: Bob Maffit maff...@bresnan.net
To: 'Antique Phonograph List' phono-l@oldcrank.org
Sent: Sat, Feb 23, 2013 12:07 pm
Subject: [Phono-L] Victor I question


Phono List:

 

Are the back-bracket and tone arm from a Victor I  II interchangeable?

Are the parts needed interchangeable from other 

machines workable as well?

 

later

 

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Re: [Phono-L] Edison Diamond Disc grills needed

[Bob Maffit]

Andrew:

thanks for the response  info, this and Brad's info is what I was asking
for.

later

Bob

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From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On
Behalf Of Andrew Baron
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2013 7:54 PM
To: Antique Phonograph List
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Diamond Disc grills needed

Another superb grille fabricator is 
 Brian Krapes
 17669 W. 58th Drive
 Golden, CO 80403
briankra...@msn.com

He made a new grille and surround (frame) for my A-250 and was responsive to
my requirement for matching the exact thickness (there were three different
thicknesses used originally on this model), veneered both sides of the
fretwork at my request, and other details that were particular to my early
example of this model.  His work is precise and clean and his rate very
reasonable in relation to the quality of the product.  Naturally, you would
need to apply stain and finish to match your Edison.

Good luck, however you choose.

Andrew Baron
Santa Fe

On Feb 18, 2013, at 7:03 PM, Bob Maffit wrote:

 Phono list:
 
 
 
 I need to get grills for:
 
 
 
 A Edison Diamond Disc C-19 : light OAK
 
 and  Diamond Disc table model, B-19: I think it is a light gum wood.
 
 
 
 
 
 Anyone have a good contact for reproductions?
 
 
 
 Original would be great however, unlikely.
 
 
 
 Later
 
 
 
 Bob
 
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[Phono-L] Edison Diamond Disc grills needed

[Bob Maffit]

Phono list:

 

I need to get grills for:

 

A Edison Diamond Disc C-19 : light OAK

and  Diamond Disc table model, B-19: I think it is a light gum wood.

 

 

Anyone have a good contact for reproductions?

 

Original would be great however, unlikely.

 

Later

 

Bob

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Re: [Phono-L] Edison Diamond Disc grills needed

[Bob Maffit]

Brad:

Thanks for the info  contact .

Later

Bob

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Behalf Of Brad abell
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2013 7:24 PM
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Diamond Disc grills needed


Try Tom Rutkowski-- I've ordered several grills from him- He does nice work.
His email-- 
gril...@gmail.com   Website--
http://www.grampstreasures.com/product_pages/phonograph_grills.htm

He has the ones you are looking for.

Brad

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From: Bob Maffit maff...@bresnan.net
To: 'Antique Phonograph List' phono-l@oldcrank.org
Sent: Mon, Feb 18, 2013 9:17 pm
Subject: [Phono-L] Edison Diamond Disc grills needed


Phono list:

 

I need to get grills for:

 

A Edison Diamond Disc C-19 : light OAK

and  Diamond Disc table model, B-19: I think it is a light gum wood.

 

 

Anyone have a good contact for reproductions?

 

Original would be great however, unlikely.

 

Later

 

Bob

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[Phono-L] question re gold plating

[Bob Maffit]

Phono Listers:

 

i have some parts  ( tone arm, speed control, bullet brake) which are gold
plated however, not in the best shape. I hesitate to ask, given the price
of gold these days but, who does this kind of work?

 

I got to thinking and wondered if it wasn't really 'gold but maybe a less
expensive option like some type of brass mix or something.

 

Any thread discussing gold type plating, and or person doing this work would
be appreciated. Also, if someone in the last, say, 12 months had something
gold plated, what did it cost?

 

Oh! Yes, it is the Victor VV-Xii *grin*

 

Later

 

Bob

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Re: [Phono-L] Bamboo needles

[Bob Maffit]

Steve:

Thanks, I think I will give them a try. I did find a little supply of
original Bamboo needles in my phonograph needle supplies. It will be
interesting to compare the new to the old.

Later

Bob

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Behalf Of Steven Medved
Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2013 11:13 AM
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org; phonol...@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Phono-L] Bamboo needles





http://www.ebay.com/itm/Fiber-US-Grown-White-Bamboo-Needles-for-Victrola-Pho
nograph-25-pieces-made-in-US-/251212508227

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Re: [Phono-L] FOR SALE - Very Rare Montgomery Ward Catalog - Reproduction

[Bob Thomsen]

Hi Shawn, I just emailed you and I want one catalog. ThanksBob 
Thomsen
  From: mshawnorou...@gmail.com
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2013 08:47:32 -0500
 Subject: [Phono-L] FOR SALE - Very Rare Montgomery Ward Catalog - 
 Reproduction
 
 I have for sale a high, high quality reproduction of a very rare 1898
 catalog. This 16 page catalog was produced by Montgomery Ward. Interestingly
 enough, It introduced some of the most important and rare machines known
 today including the Edison H coin-op, Universal Talking Machine coin-op,
 Polyphone, and Trade Mark Berliner. There are 16 pages chalked full of great
 information on early phonographs and gramophones. The reproduction was made
 directly from the original catalog. It was done using high-quality paper
 consistent with the original. This is a chance to get the benefit of great
 early information from a rare catalog, without having to pay the rare
 catalog price!
 
 
 
 Pictures available on request, 
 
 
 I've only had a limited number of reproduction catalogs made. When they're
 gone, I don't plan to have any more made. The price is $20.00 which includes
 USPS Priority shipping in the USA. 
 
 Contact me at mshawnorou...@gmail.com with interest.
 
  
 
  
 
 Michael Shawn O'Rourke
 
 248-915-0954
 
  
 
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Re: [Phono-L] Newbie Question - How To Tell an Acoustical Record

[Bob Maffit]

Joan:

thanks for the suggestion.

later

Bob

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From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On
Behalf Of phonost...@aol.com
Sent: Friday, January 04, 2013 2:18 PM
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Newbie Question - How To Tell an Acoustical Record

Bob,
 
Try doing a search for fibre needles, I found this page at sounds of  old.
 
Joan L
 
 
_http://www.soundsofold.com/search?searchwords=fibre+needlessearchsmall_492
0_ 
(http://www.soundsofold.com/search?searchwords=fibre+needlessearchsmall_492
0) =
 
 
 
 
 
In a message dated 1/3/2013 9:54:55 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
maff...@bresnan.net writes:

Steve:

Other than finding the Bamboo needles in phonographs  I have obtained, I
haven't found a source for them.

Do you know of  any?

later

Bob

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From:  phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org]  
On
Behalf Of Steven Medved
Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2013 7:12  PM
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Newbie Question - How  To Tell an Acoustical Record








If you want to  preserve a record you need to use a quality needle and 
change
it after each  play.  The Chamberlain needles on eBay are fully polished, 
but
the  diameter is too large and they contact the shoulders at the beginning  
of
each play.  



You see many victrolas with records  that look new, at least you used to.
When the reproducer was new with soft  gaskets the reproducer was compliant
and they changed needles each  time.  70 years later with hard gaskets and
the same needle the  records wear.



I believe that as long as the record is shellac a  steel needle is OK unless
the record is rare or an early one then you would  want to use bamboo.  The
vinyl 78's and the flexible Marconi records I  would not use a steel needle
with.  



I suggest medium  tone needles, you get less distortion.  



The shellac  records were made with an abrasive so they will accomodate 
steel
needles, I  learned the hard way vinyl is badly affected by steel needles.
I do not  think electrically recorded records are adversly affected by a
steel  needle, I have never noted any problems.  The run in groove  appeared
around 1930 to 1933 from what I have been told. I welcome  comments. Steve



 Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 23:06:36  -0500
 From: chris...@cox.net
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
  Subject: [Phono-L] Newbie Question - How To Tell an Acoustical Record
  
 Hi all,
 
 I've just gotten my first keeper wind-up  phonograph, a Victor VV 8-35 
 (which a list member is refurbishing the  mechanics of, I can hardly 
 wait!), and I have a really elementary  question: How do I tell which 
 records can be safely played with a  steel needle?
 
 I suspect all Victor batwings are OK. But is  there a general rule of 
 thumb besides date (would that be pretty much  1930s and before?) As 
 late as when? Is absence of a spiral run-in  groove a reliable indicator?
 Does electrically recorded mean too  late?
 
 I belong to an antique radio club and at the last  meeting one member 
 sold another a table model along with half a dozen  albums of 
 1940s-1950s 78s. I told them both that the steel needle in  the heavy 
 acoustic reproducer will ruin those records, and with the  right 
 records you also need to replace the needle for every play. But  they 
 went ahead demonstrating the machine and turning the grooves  white. Oh
well.
 
 Thanks,
 
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Re: [Phono-L] Newbie Question - How To Tell an Acoustical Record

[Bob Maffit]

tom:

thanks, I will give it a try.

later

Bob

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From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On
Behalf Of Tom Jordan
Sent: Friday, January 04, 2013 4:08 PM
To: 'Antique Phonograph List'
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Newbie Question - How To Tell an Acoustical Record

FYI
I Googled Bamboo Phonograph needles and got a few hits.

One site even gives step by step instructions for making your own
Bamboo/fiber needles.  

I'm not recommending any of these, but thought that it might be helpful.
Tom

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From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On
Behalf Of Mike Stitt
Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2013 9:27 PM
To: Antique Phonograph List
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Newbie Question - How To Tell an Acoustical Record

Don't forget you must train your records when using bamboo.
Mike\Oldcranky

On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 6:35 PM, Bob Maffit maff...@bresnan.net wrote:

 Steve:

 Other than finding the Bamboo needles in phonographs I have obtained, 
 I haven't found a source for them.

 Do you know of any?

 later

 Bob

 -Original Message-
 From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org 
 [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org]
 On
 Behalf Of Steven Medved
 Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2013 7:12 PM
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Newbie Question - How To Tell an Acoustical 
 Record








 If you want to preserve a record you need to use a quality needle and 
 change it after each play.  The Chamberlain needles on eBay are fully 
 polished, but the diameter is too large and they contact the shoulders 
 at the beginning of each play.



 You see many victrolas with records that look new, at least you used to.
 When the reproducer was new with soft gaskets the reproducer was 
 compliant and they changed needles each time.  70 years later with 
 hard gaskets and the same needle the records wear.



 I believe that as long as the record is shellac a steel needle is OK 
 unless the record is rare or an early one then you would want to use 
 bamboo.  The vinyl 78's and the flexible Marconi records I would not 
 use a steel needle with.



 I suggest medium tone needles, you get less distortion.



 The shellac records were made with an abrasive so they will accomodate 
 steel needles, I learned the hard way vinyl is badly affected by steel 
 needles.
 I do not think electrically recorded records are adversly affected by 
 a steel needle, I have never noted any problems.  The run in groove 
 appeared around 1930 to 1933 from what I have been told. I welcome 
 comments. Steve



  Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 23:06:36 -0500
  From: chris...@cox.net
  To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
  Subject: [Phono-L] Newbie Question - How To Tell an Acoustical 
  Record
 
  Hi all,
 
  I've just gotten my first keeper wind-up phonograph, a Victor VV 
  8-35 (which a list member is refurbishing the mechanics of, I can 
  hardly wait!), and I have a really elementary question: How do I 
  tell which records can be safely played with a steel needle?
 
  I suspect all Victor batwings are OK. But is there a general rule of 
  thumb besides date (would that be pretty much 1930s and before?) As 
  late as when? Is absence of a spiral run-in groove a reliable indicator?
  Does electrically recorded mean too late?
 
  I belong to an antique radio club and at the last meeting one member 
  sold another a table model along with half a dozen albums of 
  1940s-1950s 78s. I told them both that the steel needle in the heavy 
  acoustic reproducer will ruin those records, and with the right 
  records you also need to replace the needle for every play. But they 
  went ahead demonstrating the machine and turning the grooves white. 
  Oh
 well.
 
  Thanks,
 
  Chris Kocsis
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[Phono-L] Regina music box question

[Bob Maffit]

Phono listers:

 

This may be a little off topic however:

 

I have a Regina 22 music box without a damper rail or for that matter, no
dampening. Not sure if it is worth repairing given my interest and the
value of the machine.

I do recall some guidance previously to some articles which certainly I wish
I had read before obtaining mine!

 

Does anyone on the list:

 

repair such and if so, what I might consider paying?

Anyone have a reference I can contact to consult or sell the works for
parts?

Anyone feel a need to trade for something phono? *smile*

 

 

thanks

 

Bob

 

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[Phono-L] question re. Victor VV-XII

[Bob Maffit]

Phono List:

I am in need of some info regarding my Victor VV-XII phono. You guys
influenced / encouraged me to do so, rather than parting it out. *smile*

 

The threaded shaft which the crank threads on to wind it up is sheered off
at the support post which retains the bearing the shaft extends through into
the motor. I compared it to a motor from what I think came from a V or VI
and it is different.

 

So:

 

What size is the shaft for the VV-XII  what is the thread size?

 

How far from the support post does the shaft with the threads extend?

 

In the event some one has this information, I may be able to have a friend
make one. If someone has one from a VV-XII and wants to part with it, please
let me know.

 

Later

 

Bob

 

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Re: [Phono-L] Brunswick model AZ-944 with a model number AP-952amplifier. information needed

[Bob Maffit]

Mark:

If it wouldn't be to much trouble, could you E-mail me the scans via E-mail
directly?  I don't know how to use drop box, it may be a lack of skill or
my limited  ability with my adaptive software.

maff...@bresnan.net

thanks

Bob

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From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On
Behalf Of mark lynch
Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2012 4:20 PM
To: 'Antique Phonograph List'
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Brunswick model AZ-944 with a model number
AP-952amplifier. information needed


Bob and Others,

For those interested I added scans of the Victor amplifier service bulletins
and the 20 page 1927 Brunswick Panatrope with Radiola Owners instruction
manual to my DropBox site. The Panatrope manual has very nice instruction
for tuning the dual drum Catacomb Radiola 28 and similar radios.

Let me know if you would like an invitation to the shared DropBox folder so
you can download them.
Mark


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From: Bob Maffit maff...@bresnan.net
Sent: Dec 4, 2012 12:01 AM
To: 'Antique Phonograph List' phono-l@oldcrank.org
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Brunswick model AZ-944  witha   model
number  AP-952amplifier. information needed

Mark:

thanks

Bob

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From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On
Behalf Of Mark
Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 9:03 PM
To: Antique Phonograph List
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Brunswick model AZ-944 with a model number
AP-952amplifier. information needed

Bob,

Give me a few days, I will get it out iby the weekend. No charge, hope it
is
helpful.

Sent from my iPad

On Dec 3, 2012, at 9:18 PM, Bob Maffit maff...@bresnan.net wrote:

 Mark:
 The scan would be appreciated, as anything we get seems to help. 
 
 Let me know what if anything you need.
 
 maff...@bresnan.net
Later
 
 Bob
 
 -Original Message-
 From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org]
On
 Behalf Of mark lynch
 Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 10:15 AM
 To: Antique Phonograph List
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Brunswick model AZ-944 with a model number
 AP-952amplifier. information needed
 
 
 Bob,
 
 I can send you a scan of Victor Service Bulletin #1 which covers the
 tomcat amps like your AP-952, the service bulletins were intended to be
 used by the technician at the local Victor dealer. There are quite a few
 different bulletins covering many service aspects, there are no fewer
than
 three versions of the bulletin covering the second style changer as used
in
 the VE10-69, 9-54 and 10-35.
 
 --Mark 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Bob Maffit maff...@bresnan.net
 Sent: Nov 28, 2012 10:17 PM
 To: 'Antique Phonograph List' phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Brunswick model AZ-944 with a modelnumber
 AP-952amplifier. information needed
 
 Greg:
 
 Wonderful!
 
 Please send the PDF as we don't have a thing to go on, other than some
of
 the tubes are well expensive!
 
 In the event you run across anything about the AZ 944 it would be
 appreciated. It appears that something is missing in the very back
behind
 the tone arm which must work a switch below. 
 
 again, THANKS a bunch
 
 Bob
 
 maff...@bresnan.net
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org]
On
 Behalf Of Greg Bogantz
 Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 6:50 PM
 To: Antique Phonograph List
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Brunswick model AZ-944 with a model number
 AP-952amplifier. information needed
 
 Hi Bob,
 
   I have a copy of the RCA AP-952 schematic in my Rider's Perpetual 
 Troubleshooter's Manual, volume 1.  I can email it to you as an Adobe
.PDF 
 file if you need it.  You can view it and print it from the free Adobe 
 Reader software.
 
 Greg Bogantz
 
 
 
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: Bob Maffit maff...@bresnan.net
 To: 'Antique Phonograph List' phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 10:27 PM
 Subject: [Phono-L] Brunswick model AZ-944 with a model number 
 AP-952amplifier. information needed
 
 
   Phono list:
 
 
 
 Some years back I had inquired about aBrunswick model AZ-944
 phonograph, with a model number AP-952 amplifier.
 Someone  had replied with a comment they had a schematic or 
 documentation
 on the machine.
 
 I filed it away and ! can't find it now that I need it. *grin*
 
 
 
 If anyone has such, I would appreciate an E-mail / phone / address 
 contact,
 so I could obtain such.
 
 
 
 I am getting around to considering restoring this with a phono
companion.
 Sure would like anything on the machine etc.
 
 
 
 I trust this is not to far off topic as the phonograph was made around 
 1925
 -1930?
 
 Thanks
 
 
 
 Bob
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [Phono-L] Brunswick model AZ-944 with a model number AP-952amplifier. information needed

[Bob Maffit]

Mark:
 The scan would be appreciated, as anything we get seems to help. 

Let me know what if anything you need.

maff...@bresnan.net
Later

Bob

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Behalf Of mark lynch
Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 10:15 AM
To: Antique Phonograph List
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Brunswick model AZ-944 with a model number
AP-952amplifier. information needed


Bob,

I can send you a scan of Victor Service Bulletin #1 which covers the
tomcat amps like your AP-952, the service bulletins were intended to be
used by the technician at the local Victor dealer. There are quite a few
different bulletins covering many service aspects, there are no fewer than
three versions of the bulletin covering the second style changer as used in
the VE10-69, 9-54 and 10-35.

--Mark 


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From: Bob Maffit maff...@bresnan.net
Sent: Nov 28, 2012 10:17 PM
To: 'Antique Phonograph List' phono-l@oldcrank.org
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Brunswick model AZ-944 with a model number
AP-952amplifier. information needed

Greg:

Wonderful!

Please send the PDF as we don't have a thing to go on, other than some of
the tubes are well expensive!

In the event you run across anything about the AZ 944 it would be
appreciated. It appears that something is missing in the very back behind
the tone arm which must work a switch below. 

again, THANKS a bunch

Bob

maff...@bresnan.net



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From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On
Behalf Of Greg Bogantz
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 6:50 PM
To: Antique Phonograph List
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Brunswick model AZ-944 with a model number
AP-952amplifier. information needed

Hi Bob,

I have a copy of the RCA AP-952 schematic in my Rider's Perpetual 
Troubleshooter's Manual, volume 1.  I can email it to you as an Adobe .PDF 
file if you need it.  You can view it and print it from the free Adobe 
Reader software.

Greg Bogantz




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From: Bob Maffit maff...@bresnan.net
To: 'Antique Phonograph List' phono-l@oldcrank.org
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 10:27 PM
Subject: [Phono-L] Brunswick model AZ-944 with a model number 
AP-952amplifier. information needed


Phono list:



 Some years back I had inquired about aBrunswick model AZ-944
 phonograph, with a model number AP-952 amplifier.
 Someone  had replied with a comment they had a schematic or 
 documentation
 on the machine.

 I filed it away and ! can't find it now that I need it. *grin*



 If anyone has such, I would appreciate an E-mail / phone / address 
 contact,
 so I could obtain such.



 I am getting around to considering restoring this with a phono companion.
 Sure would like anything on the machine etc.



 I trust this is not to far off topic as the phonograph was made around 
 1925
 -1930?

 Thanks



 Bob





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Re: [Phono-L] Brunswick model AZ-944 with a model number AP-952amplifier. information needed

[Bob Maffit]

Mark:

thanks

Bob

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From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On
Behalf Of Mark
Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 9:03 PM
To: Antique Phonograph List
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Brunswick model AZ-944 with a model number
AP-952amplifier. information needed

Bob,

Give me a few days, I will get it out iby the weekend. No charge, hope it is
helpful.

Sent from my iPad

On Dec 3, 2012, at 9:18 PM, Bob Maffit maff...@bresnan.net wrote:

 Mark:
 The scan would be appreciated, as anything we get seems to help. 
 
 Let me know what if anything you need.
 
 maff...@bresnan.net
Later
 
 Bob
 
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 From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org]
On
 Behalf Of mark lynch
 Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 10:15 AM
 To: Antique Phonograph List
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Brunswick model AZ-944 with a model number
 AP-952amplifier. information needed
 
 
 Bob,
 
 I can send you a scan of Victor Service Bulletin #1 which covers the
 tomcat amps like your AP-952, the service bulletins were intended to be
 used by the technician at the local Victor dealer. There are quite a few
 different bulletins covering many service aspects, there are no fewer than
 three versions of the bulletin covering the second style changer as used
in
 the VE10-69, 9-54 and 10-35.
 
 --Mark 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Bob Maffit maff...@bresnan.net
 Sent: Nov 28, 2012 10:17 PM
 To: 'Antique Phonograph List' phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Brunswick model AZ-944 with a modelnumber
 AP-952amplifier. information needed
 
 Greg:
 
 Wonderful!
 
 Please send the PDF as we don't have a thing to go on, other than some of
 the tubes are well expensive!
 
 In the event you run across anything about the AZ 944 it would be
 appreciated. It appears that something is missing in the very back behind
 the tone arm which must work a switch below. 
 
 again, THANKS a bunch
 
 Bob
 
 maff...@bresnan.net
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org]
On
 Behalf Of Greg Bogantz
 Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 6:50 PM
 To: Antique Phonograph List
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Brunswick model AZ-944 with a model number
 AP-952amplifier. information needed
 
 Hi Bob,
 
   I have a copy of the RCA AP-952 schematic in my Rider's Perpetual 
 Troubleshooter's Manual, volume 1.  I can email it to you as an Adobe
.PDF 
 file if you need it.  You can view it and print it from the free Adobe 
 Reader software.
 
 Greg Bogantz
 
 
 
 
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 From: Bob Maffit maff...@bresnan.net
 To: 'Antique Phonograph List' phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 10:27 PM
 Subject: [Phono-L] Brunswick model AZ-944 with a model number 
 AP-952amplifier. information needed
 
 
   Phono list:
 
 
 
 Some years back I had inquired about aBrunswick model AZ-944
 phonograph, with a model number AP-952 amplifier.
 Someone  had replied with a comment they had a schematic or 
 documentation
 on the machine.
 
 I filed it away and ! can't find it now that I need it. *grin*
 
 
 
 If anyone has such, I would appreciate an E-mail / phone / address 
 contact,
 so I could obtain such.
 
 
 
 I am getting around to considering restoring this with a phono
companion.
 Sure would like anything on the machine etc.
 
 
 
 I trust this is not to far off topic as the phonograph was made around 
 1925
 -1930?
 
 Thanks
 
 
 
 Bob
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [Phono-L] Brunswick model AZ-944 with a model number AP-952amplifier. information needed

[Bob Maffit]

Greg:

Wonderful!

Please send the PDF as we don't have a thing to go on, other than some of
the tubes are well expensive!

In the event you run across anything about the AZ 944 it would be
appreciated. It appears that something is missing in the very back behind
the tone arm which must work a switch below. 

again, THANKS a bunch

Bob

maff...@bresnan.net



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From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On
Behalf Of Greg Bogantz
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 6:50 PM
To: Antique Phonograph List
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Brunswick model AZ-944 with a model number
AP-952amplifier. information needed

Hi Bob,

I have a copy of the RCA AP-952 schematic in my Rider's Perpetual 
Troubleshooter's Manual, volume 1.  I can email it to you as an Adobe .PDF 
file if you need it.  You can view it and print it from the free Adobe 
Reader software.

Greg Bogantz




- Original Message - 
From: Bob Maffit maff...@bresnan.net
To: 'Antique Phonograph List' phono-l@oldcrank.org
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 10:27 PM
Subject: [Phono-L] Brunswick model AZ-944 with a model number 
AP-952amplifier. information needed


Phono list:



 Some years back I had inquired about aBrunswick model AZ-944
 phonograph, with a model number AP-952 amplifier.
 Someone  had replied with a comment they had a schematic or 
 documentation
 on the machine.

 I filed it away and ! can't find it now that I need it. *grin*



 If anyone has such, I would appreciate an E-mail / phone / address 
 contact,
 so I could obtain such.



 I am getting around to considering restoring this with a phono companion.
 Sure would like anything on the machine etc.



 I trust this is not to far off topic as the phonograph was made around 
 1925
 -1930?

 Thanks



 Bob





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[Phono-L] Brunswick model AZ-944 with a model number AP-952 amplifier. information needed

[Bob Maffit]

Phono list:

 

Some years back I had inquired about aBrunswick model AZ-944
phonograph, with a model number AP-952 amplifier.
Someone  had replied with a comment they had a schematic or documentation
on the machine.

I filed it away and ! can't find it now that I need it. *grin*

 

If anyone has such, I would appreciate an E-mail / phone / address contact,
so I could obtain such.

 

I am getting around to considering restoring this with a phono companion.
Sure would like anything on the machine etc.

 

I trust this is not to far off topic as the phonograph was made around 1925
-1930?

Thanks

 

Bob

 

 

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Re: [Phono-L] Special Edition Columbia Record???

[Bob Thomsen]

Steve,   I think you must be trying to email someone else?  
 Bob T.
  From: steve_nor...@msn.com
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 08:54:30 -0500
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Special Edition Columbia Record???
 
 
 Curt,
  
 I will try to find the record.
  
 Steve
  
 
  From: vinyl.visi...@live.com
  To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
  Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 18:34:49 -0500
  Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Special Edition Columbia Record???
  
  Steve, can you post a picture of your record label? Or, if not, send it as 
  an attachment to my email address: curt(dot)angstman(at)gmail(dot)com and I 
  will post it on our website...
   From: steve_nor...@msn.com
   To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
   Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 10:47:57 -0500
   Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Special Edition Columbia Record???
   
   
   Curt,
   
   I assumed it was all the same. 
   
   Steve
   
   
From: vinyl.visi...@live.com
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 20:37:56 -0500
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Special Edition Columbia Record???

Steve, your record sounds like one to benefit widows and orphans 
because of the subject matter on the label. I'm still not sure of the 
purpose of my record with Kaiser Wilhelm at the Mozart Music Verein in 
NY was. I GOOGLED Mozart Music Verein New York and found an article 
from 1894 about the 40th anniversary of this music club. The Verein 
(club) was started in New York City in 1854 to further the musical 
interests in the works of Mozart and other contemporary composers. I 
can't find anything to indicate that this club had anything to do with 
providing help or care to German war refugees, but obviously this 
article is less than complete. I'm puzzled about the purpose of the 
record, except maybe a historical recording of a concert held for 
Kaiser Wilhelm? Since there were only several hundred members, the 
demand for this record must have been low and doesn't seem to be a 
great choice for a fundraiser for war widows and children, since the 
Kaiser was mostly responsibl
 e 
  fo
  r 
   t
he mayhem created in WWI...Any more ideas?Curt
 From: steve_nor...@msn.com
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 13:56:02 -0500
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Special Edition Columbia Record???
 
 
 I have or had one of this series, it shows a widow by a grave with a 
 small child in her arms and one holding her mothers hand. Thanks, I 
 wondered about it.
 
 Steve
 
 
  Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 18:49:00 -0800
  From: majesticrec...@snet.net
  To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
  Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Special Edition Columbia Record???
  
  According to Note the Notes, a book by Michael Sherman and Kurt 
  Nauck there was 
  a series of these pictorial labels in 1916 and early 1917 to 
  benefit Austrian 
  and German widows and orphans during the war. The series ended when 
  we declared 
  war on Germany. I presume this is one of those series. The patent 
  dates listed 
  the way they are has this record fall into that time frame.
  
  Glenn
  
  
  
  
  From: zonophone2...@aol.com zonophone2...@aol.com
  To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
  Sent: Tue, November 13, 2012 3:33:36 PM
  Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Special Edition Columbia Record???
  
  KURT ARE YOU LOOKING
  he knows most records 
  you can also contact him at na...@78rpm.com
  he runs a good auction
  zono
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  -Original Message-
  From: Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com
  To: phono-l phono-l@oldcrank.org
  Sent: Tue, Nov 13, 2012 10:59 am
  Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Special Edition Columbia Record???
  
  
  
  A few days ago, I posted this inquiry about an unusual Columbia 
  record that I 
  found. Someone out there must know something about this record and 
  its 
  history...
  Here are pics of the front and back:
  http://open1234.wix.com/camps-site#!__columbia-record
  
  Any info would be appreciated, 
  Curt
  
   From: vinyl.visi...@live.com
   To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
   Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2012 00:10:35 -0500
   Subject: [Phono-L] Special Edition Columbia Record???
   
   
   I found a 12 one sided Columbia record which has a picture of 
   Kaiser Wilhelm 
  II on the label, with the phrases Gruss an den Kaiser - 
  (Greetings to the 
  Emperor) and Gott mit uns - (God with us). The number is 59408 - 
  last patent 
  date is Nov. 30, 1909 and the title is: Dem Deutschen Kaiser 
  Gewidmet Von Dem 
  Mozart-Verein in New York - (Dedicated to the German Emperor Of 
  The Mozart Club 
  
  in New York). The label is a very detailed

Re: [Phono-L] camera phonograph reproducer clip part needed

[Bob Maffit]

Good morning:

Sure, I should have figured more than one company made the camera phonos, I
was hoping that wasn't the case. Pics would work as I am assuming the
reproducer is original to the phonograph as well.

I will try and get pics after the Thanksgiving Holiday.

Thanks

Bob

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From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On
Behalf Of Vinyl Visions
Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2012 8:58 PM
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] camera phonograph reproducer clip part needed

There are a number of camera phonographs - which one, exactly are you
referring to? Pictures of the parts you have would be important in making an
ID...
  From: maff...@bresnan.net
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2012 17:12:52 -0700
 Subject: [Phono-L] camera phonograph reproducer clip part needed
 
 Phono list:
 
  
 
 I have a friends camera phonograph  which must be missing a fastener for
 the reproducer. The reproducer seems to be missing a clip type part
which
 holds the reproducer to the wire tone arm rod. It looks like a pin clip
 can be inserted in a hole in the reproducer, and would somehow fit in a
 groove / ring around the tone arm wire inside the reproducer. I really
 don't know how it works however, if you have a camera phonograph  you
may
 understand.
 
  
 
 Does anyone have one they can part with or maybe have a pattern /
 reproduction they would part with?
 
  
 
 Thanks in advance
 
  
 
 Bob
 
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[Phono-L] camera phonograph reproducer clip part needed

[Bob Maffit]

Phono list:

 

I have a friends camera phonograph  which must be missing a fastener for
the reproducer. The reproducer seems to be missing a clip type part which
holds the reproducer to the wire tone arm rod. It looks like a pin clip
can be inserted in a hole in the reproducer, and would somehow fit in a
groove / ring around the tone arm wire inside the reproducer. I really
don't know how it works however, if you have a camera phonograph  you may
understand.

 

Does anyone have one they can part with or maybe have a pattern /
reproduction they would part with?

 

Thanks in advance

 

Bob

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Re: [Phono-L] Victor XII questions

[Bob Maffit]

MV:

Thanks for your interest in my posts with regard to a recently obtained
Victor Xii. 

You mention Victor XII had 2 styles,  OLD  New). What is the difference in
them?

I believe the machine I have is a very restorable machine as the only
thing missing, are the knobs  reproducer, as far as I can tell.the back lid
hinge is split away from the bottom of the cabinet with some cracks 
splintering. The crank has been sheered off at the support post however,
that is the extent of its major problems.


Like all machines I get, I like to explore them and disassemble them down to
their nuts  Bolts, thus my questions as to the motor  tone arm, to
understand phonos. This is how over the years I have been able to learn
about phonos and repair some as well. Not to exclude the valuable support
from Phono-listers  family and friends.

You offer one of your machines to an interested person who wants to preserve
 / or obtain one. What is your price?

Again, I have a Victor VI so don't need parts. 
I really don't have the room for a, what I consider a large table model
and I will be doing something with this. It depends on what works the best.

I agree, parting out machines can be a disregard for the points you offer,
and I also have run across machines which have been parted out! I obtained
a Victor X table model and what remained was only the cabinet, back bracket,
and horn.

Hey! How about an offer!  *smile*

Later

Bob



-Original Message-
From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On
Behalf Of ny victrolaman
Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2012 11:43 PM
To: Antique Phonograph List
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Victor XII questions

I know I'm walking into the middle of a discussion here, but I truly hope
that no one is seriously considering breaking up a Victrola XII to use the
parts on a different model machine -- or, for that matter, doing anything
with it besides restoring it.

The XII is a very rare and historically-important machine.  It was the
first tabletop Victrola, and only the second Victrola model ever produced.
 Victor made fewer than 5,000 of them, split about evenly between the old
style and the new style.  To take parts from a XII and use them on a
Victor VI (of which Victor manufactured more than 17,000!), or any other
machine, would be truly tragic.  If for some reason the machine is not
restorable, the parts would be extremely valuable to someone with an
incomplete (or broken) XII who has no doubt been searching for them for
years.

I am the proud owner of two old style Victrola XII's, restored and
complete with keys.  They are beautiful machines, the pride of my
collection, although I sometimes feel guilty owning two of them.  If
someone is looking for one, let me know.

MV

P.S.  If I am mistaken about the nature or content of this discussion,
please accept my apology.



On Sat, Oct 27, 2012 at 7:08 AM, Bob Maffit maff...@bresnan.net wrote:



 phono-list:

 I am exploring the Victor XII I have and before deciding what to do with
 it,
 I have some questions.



 I am a little confused by the disassembly of the Victor XII motor 
removal
 of the tone arm.



 It is my experience that when removing a motor from the motor board, it
 involves removing the bolts from the motor board and the motor ( with the
 spindle attached) drops out the opening in the center of the motor board
In
 the case of the Victor XII, no hole in the motor board, large enough to
 accommodate the Cup portion  . So:



 Does the spindle top portion above the motor board, thread apart, allowing
 the bottom portion to be removed and be separated from the top?



 Does the spindle need to be removed by loosening the gear which meshes
with
 the governor shaft, then pulled up from the top and the motor board can be
 removed?



 With regard to the tone arm removal:



 It appears that the tone arm bracket is in 2 parts. To remove the tone arm
 from the shaft in the bracket do you:



 Loosen the screw in the tone arm from the shaft, somehow, push the rod /
 shaft down and then tilt the shaft and slide the tone arm off similar to a
 Victor II -VI:



 Or, remove the 2 bolts holding the top part from the base and it will come
 apart in pieces and can be removed by removing the tone arm from the shaft
 after it is out of the bracket?



 What is the function of the cup shaped part on the top portion of
 spindle? It seems like a rest sport for the platter.





 Later



 Bob

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Re: [Phono-L] Victor XII questions

[Bob Maffit]

Ron:

I spent a little time with some oil  a hair dryer, heated it up and the
bracket came in two parts. After a little convincing from a small wooden
mallet  caution  care.

I still am just: studying the motor.

again, thanks

Bob

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From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On
Behalf Of Ron L'Herault
Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2012 7:13 AM
To: 'Antique Phonograph List'
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Victor XII questions

My Type 6 has the cup but the hole in the wood is big enough for it to drop
through.  I've never had the motor out of it so I'm not sure.  It may be a
press fit, removable after the cross pin is tapped out.  I do know that its
purpose is to support the turntable but allow it to tilt a bit without
putting strain on the center shaft, which does not have a very large
diameter.  Without the cup one could lean on the TT and bend the shaft.

Ron L

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From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On
Behalf Of Bob Maffit
Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2012 7:09 AM
To: 'Antique Phonograph List'
Subject: [Phono-L] Victor XII questions

 

phono-list:

I am exploring the Victor XII I have and before deciding what to do with it,
I have some questions.

 

I am a little confused by the disassembly of the Victor XII motor  removal
of the tone arm.

 

It is my experience that when removing a motor from the motor board, it
involves removing the bolts from the motor board and the motor ( with the
spindle attached) drops out the opening in the center of the motor board In
the case of the Victor XII, no hole in the motor board, large enough to
accommodate the Cup portion  . So:

 

Does the spindle top portion above the motor board, thread apart, allowing
the bottom portion to be removed and be separated from the top?

 

Does the spindle need to be removed by loosening the gear which meshes with
the governor shaft, then pulled up from the top and the motor board can be
removed?

 

With regard to the tone arm removal:

 

It appears that the tone arm bracket is in 2 parts. To remove the tone arm
from the shaft in the bracket do you:

 

Loosen the screw in the tone arm from the shaft, somehow, push the rod /
shaft down and then tilt the shaft and slide the tone arm off similar to a
Victor II -VI:

 

Or, remove the 2 bolts holding the top part from the base and it will come
apart in pieces and can be removed by removing the tone arm from the shaft
after it is out of the bracket?

 

What is the function of the cup shaped part on the top portion of
spindle? It seems like a rest sport for the platter.

 

 

Later

 

Bob

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Re: [Phono-L] Styles of the VV-XII

[Bob Maffit]

Jerry:

thanks for the information. I think I have the earlier one as I don't find
any fancy molding around the machine at all.

the phonograph ID plate has, what must be the sn of: 504

Interesting, the machine also has a company id plate as well. It is from
Sherman, and Clay co. from Spokane. I looked it up and they started a store
in 1906.


OH! I was mistaken, I was able to remove the motor from the motor board. I
just needed a little more time and investigation.

thanks

Bob

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From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On
Behalf Of DeeDee Blais
Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2012 2:16 PM
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Subject: [Phono-L] Styles of the VV-XII

     The first style XII is a little plainer than the later XII.  The doors
over the horn are very thin.  The later XII has a bit of fancy trim that
runs around the machine under the lid and the doors over the horn are
slightly taller.  I think the model was made for slightly over a year and
production must have been quite evenly split between the two styles.  I
think the mechanical parts were the same for each style.  
     I think it's very interesting that when Victor introduced less
expensive table model Victrolas, like the table model X and slightly later
the IX, the top of the horn was open and the motor sat in the horn.  Any
noise produced by the motor came out through the horn.  It must have been an
effort to use up the more obsolete motors.  One does not normally find
evidence where Victor blatantly sacrificed quality and performance. Wouldn't
it be interesting to sit in a meeting where these decisions were made by 
Victor executives? 

Jerry Blais
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Re: [Phono-L] Styles of the VV-XII

[Bob Maffit]

Loran:

So...

If the Victor VV-XII was the first table model made, and this one has the sn
504

Does that indicate it was the 3rd Victor table phonograph made?

later

Bob

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From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On
Behalf Of Loran Hughes
Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2012 5:19 PM
To: Antique Phonograph List
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Styles of the VV-XII

Given that serial numbers started at 501, that would be extremely early. A
real find, indeed!

Loran

On Oct 28, 2012, at 3:58 PM, Bob Maffit maff...@bresnan.net wrote:

 Jerry:
 
 thanks for the information. I think I have the earlier one as I don't find
 any fancy molding around the machine at all.
 
 the phonograph ID plate has, what must be the sn of: 504
 
 Interesting, the machine also has a company id plate as well. It is from
 Sherman, and Clay co. from Spokane. I looked it up and they started a
store
 in 1906.
 
 
 OH! I was mistaken, I was able to remove the motor from the motor board. I
 just needed a little more time and investigation.
 
 thanks
 
 Bob
 
 -Original Message-
 From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org]
On
 Behalf Of DeeDee Blais
 Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2012 2:16 PM
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Subject: [Phono-L] Styles of the VV-XII
 
  The first style XII is a little plainer than the later XII.  The
doors
 over the horn are very thin.  The later XII has a bit of fancy trim that
 runs around the machine under the lid and the doors over the horn are
 slightly taller.  I think the model was made for slightly over a year and
 production must have been quite evenly split between the two styles.  I
 think the mechanical parts were the same for each style.  
  I think it's very interesting that when Victor introduced less
 expensive table model Victrolas, like the table model X and slightly later
 the IX, the top of the horn was open and the motor sat in the horn.  Any
 noise produced by the motor came out through the horn.  It must have been
an
 effort to use up the more obsolete motors.  One does not normally find
 evidence where Victor blatantly sacrificed quality and performance.
Wouldn't
 it be interesting to sit in a meeting where these decisions were made by 
 Victor executives? 
 
 Jerry Blais
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Re: [Phono-L] Styles of the VV-XII

[Bob Maffit]

Andrew:
thanks for the correction on it being the 4th machine.

great!

later

Bob

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From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On
Behalf Of Andrew Baron
Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2012 7:00 PM
To: Antique Phonograph List
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Styles of the VV-XII

Hi Bob ~

I believe you have the fourth Victor XII:  
501 was the first
502
503
504

Congratulations!  It's relatively unlikely that the three earlier s.n.'s
will ever surface, so unless/until the unlikely day that one does, you can
claim to have the earliest currently known VV-XII.

Andrew Baron
Santa Fe

On Oct 28, 2012, at 6:02 PM, Bob Maffit wrote:

 Loran:
 
 So...
 
 If the Victor VV-XII was the first table model made, and this one has the
sn
 504
 
 Does that indicate it was the 3rd Victor table phonograph made?
 
 later
 
 Bob
 
 -Original Message-
 From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org]
On
 Behalf Of Loran Hughes
 Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2012 5:19 PM
 To: Antique Phonograph List
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Styles of the VV-XII
 
 Given that serial numbers started at 501, that would be extremely early. A
 real find, indeed!
 
 Loran
 
 On Oct 28, 2012, at 3:58 PM, Bob Maffit maff...@bresnan.net wrote:
 
 Jerry:
 
 thanks for the information. I think I have the earlier one as I don't
find
 any fancy molding around the machine at all.
 
 the phonograph ID plate has, what must be the sn of: 504
 
 Interesting, the machine also has a company id plate as well. It is from
 Sherman, and Clay co. from Spokane. I looked it up and they started a
 store
 in 1906.
 
 
 OH! I was mistaken, I was able to remove the motor from the motor board.
I
 just needed a little more time and investigation.
 
 thanks
 
 Bob
 
 -Original Message-
 From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org]
 On
 Behalf Of DeeDee Blais
 Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2012 2:16 PM
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Subject: [Phono-L] Styles of the VV-XII
 
 The first style XII is a little plainer than the later XII.  The
 doors
 over the horn are very thin.  The later XII has a bit of fancy trim that
 runs around the machine under the lid and the doors over the horn are
 slightly taller.  I think the model was made for slightly over a year and
 production must have been quite evenly split between the two styles.  I
 think the mechanical parts were the same for each style.  
 I think it's very interesting that when Victor introduced less
 expensive table model Victrolas, like the table model X and slightly
later
 the IX, the top of the horn was open and the motor sat in the horn.  Any
 noise produced by the motor came out through the horn.  It must have been
 an
 effort to use up the more obsolete motors.  One does not normally find
 evidence where Victor blatantly sacrificed quality and performance.
 Wouldn't
 it be interesting to sit in a meeting where these decisions were made by 
 Victor executives? 
 
 Jerry Blais
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[Phono-L] Victor XII questions

[Bob Maffit]

 

phono-list:

I am exploring the Victor XII I have and before deciding what to do with it,
I have some questions.

 

I am a little confused by the disassembly of the Victor XII motor  removal
of the tone arm.

 

It is my experience that when removing a motor from the motor board, it
involves removing the bolts from the motor board and the motor ( with the
spindle attached) drops out the opening in the center of the motor board In
the case of the Victor XII, no hole in the motor board, large enough to
accommodate the Cup portion  . So:

 

Does the spindle top portion above the motor board, thread apart, allowing
the bottom portion to be removed and be separated from the top?

 

Does the spindle need to be removed by loosening the gear which meshes with
the governor shaft, then pulled up from the top and the motor board can be
removed?

 

With regard to the tone arm removal:

 

It appears that the tone arm bracket is in 2 parts. To remove the tone arm
from the shaft in the bracket do you:

 

Loosen the screw in the tone arm from the shaft, somehow, push the rod /
shaft down and then tilt the shaft and slide the tone arm off similar to a
Victor II -VI:

 

Or, remove the 2 bolts holding the top part from the base and it will come
apart in pieces and can be removed by removing the tone arm from the shaft
after it is out of the bracket?

 

What is the function of the cup shaped part on the top portion of
spindle? It seems like a rest sport for the platter.

 

 

Later

 

Bob

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[Phono-L] Victor 12 question

[Bob Maffit]

phono listers:

 

First I would like to thank all of those on the list who have responded to
my various requests for information  parts. I get a little lost in all of
the E-mails and do miss some of them in terms of replying with a thanks.
So here is my blanket one for the recent past. *smile*

 

Moving on:

 

I obtained a Victor 12 which in the book, Looking For The Dog, it explains
the 12 was made in 1909 and was a blend of the Victor VI  the Victor VV-XVI
at the time.

 

I bought it for the parts, in the event I ran across a Vic VI cabinet etc.

 

I noticed the crank on the Victor 12 is a male type and it has been my
experience the ones from the Victor VI  VV-Xvi I have are female. The
LFTD book doesn't address this question, so I am floating this out to
phono-list land.

 

thanks in advance

 

later

 

Bob

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Re: [Phono-L] Victor 12 question

[Bob Maffit]

John:

Yes, it would be restorable as most of the problem is the rear hinge has
broke away from the lid.
 the front lid knobs are missing.
I had bought it as I thought the parts were similar to the VI as the book
indicated.
It is to big for me as I am getting limited in flat space around the
house. *grin*

later

Bob

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From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On
Behalf Of John Maeder
Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 9:12 AM
To: Antique Phonograph List
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Victor 12 question

The XII has a completely different motor from a Victor VI motor of any
production period.  The XII motor is proprietary to the XII.  The XII is a
very scarce machine in its own right, much more so than a Vic VI . . . is
your example not restorable?

Sent from my iPad

On Oct 19, 2012, at 4:30 AM, Bob Maffit maff...@bresnan.net wrote:

 phono listers:
 
 
 
 First I would like to thank all of those on the list who have responded to
 my various requests for information  parts. I get a little lost in all of
 the E-mails and do miss some of them in terms of replying with a thanks.
 So here is my blanket one for the recent past. *smile*
 
 
 
 Moving on:
 
 
 
 I obtained a Victor 12 which in the book, Looking For The Dog, it explains
 the 12 was made in 1909 and was a blend of the Victor VI  the Victor
VV-XVI
 at the time.
 
 
 
 I bought it for the parts, in the event I ran across a Vic VI cabinet etc.
 
 
 
 I noticed the crank on the Victor 12 is a male type and it has been my
 experience the ones from the Victor VI  VV-Xvi I have are female. The
 LFTD book doesn't address this question, so I am floating this out to
 phono-list land.
 
 
 
 thanks in advance
 
 
 
later
 
 
 
 Bob
 
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Re: [Phono-L] Sonora Tonalie part needed

[Bob Maffit]

Bruce:

Thanks for your suggestions. I previously asked George however, he didn't
have the part. Now that I have the more specific phono style / type, I will
ask again.

The other fellows contact info would be appreciated.

Any reference or links to this model would help.

Later

Bob

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From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On
Behalf Of bruce78...@comcast.net
Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 5:48 AM
To: Antique Phonograph List
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Sonora Tonalie part needed

Wow, that is a tough one, an obscure late 20's Sonora phonograph, with an
even more obscure extension for the crank . George Volema at Great Lakes may
be your best bet. There is also a fellow in Wisconsin, who is an avid
Phonograph Collector, who has over the years managed to obtain, many odd and
obscure parts as well. When I was looking for an odd rare part (the swivel
pin) for a Gibson Traveling Tone arm, he was the only one I could find in
the entire U.S. Phonograph world that seemed to have one. When I come up
with his name I will forward it to you. 

- Original Message -
From: Bob Maffit maff...@bresnan.net 
To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org 
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2012 9:25:41 PM 
Subject: [Phono-L] Sonora Tonalie part needed 

Phono List: 



I am looking for another needle in a haystack however, this group has 
always helped. 



I had a motor repaired with new springs and apparently I misplaced or lost a

part! 



First of all, it is a Sonora floor model. On the underside of the lid it 
has: 



Tonalie sonora 

Clear as a bell 



I think it is a late 20s model as it has a similar cabinet design as my 
Victor VV-8-35, thus my guess at the year. 



Any info on the machine in general? 



I am missing an extension for the crank which attaches to the motor 
winding shaft and, if I recall correctly, is about 4' to 6' in length. The 
crank threads on the extension allowing the crank to function the distance 
from the right cabinet wall to reach the motor. The extension part looked 
like it was made from a wire or rod wound around to make the extension. 



So: 



Has anyone have an idea of what the *** I am trying to explain / describe? 
Moreover, anyone have one to part with? 

Or a workable substitute. 



Thanks 



Bob 

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[Phono-L] Sonora Tonalie part needed

[Bob Maffit]

Phono List:

 

I am looking for another needle in a haystack however, this group has
always helped.

 

I had a motor repaired with new springs and apparently I misplaced or lost a
part!

 

First of all, it is a Sonora floor model. On the underside of the lid it
has:

 

Tonalie sonora

Clear as a bell

 

I think it is a late 20s model as it has a similar cabinet design as my
Victor VV-8-35, thus my guess at the year.

 

Any info on the machine in general?

 

I am missing an extension for the crank which attaches to the motor
winding shaft and, if I recall correctly, is about 4' to 6' in length. The
crank threads on the extension allowing the crank to function the distance
from the right cabinet wall to reach the motor. The extension part looked
like it was made from a wire or rod wound around to make the extension. 

 

So:

 

Has anyone have an idea of what the *** I am trying to explain / describe?
Moreover, anyone have one to part with?

Or a workable substitute.

 

Thanks

 

Bob

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Re: [Phono-L] Cygnet horn

[Bob Maffit]

Kurt:

this is the E-mail / horn I mentioned previously (yesterday).

later

Bob

-Original Message-
From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On
Behalf Of Kurt Nauck
Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2012 12:31 AM
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Subject: [Phono-L] Cygnet horn

I have a painted repro cygnet for $275 if you are interested

Kurt Nauck
c/o Nauck's Vintage Records
22004 Sherrod Ln.
Spring, Texas  77389

www.78rpm.com
www.TexasReady.net
www.MDADA.org
www.NewPledge.org

E-Mail: na...@78rpm.com
Phone: (281) 288-7826
Fax: (425) 930-6862


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Re: [Phono-L] Columbia VIVA-TONAl suitcase reproducer needed

[Bob Maffit]

Ron:

Yes, I think they are smaller in size and width. I did try a reproducer
which I think was from a table top or floor model. It was to large.

thanks for your encouragement.

later

Bob

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From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On
Behalf Of Ron L'Herault
Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 7:14 AM
To: 'Antique Phonograph List'
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Columbia VIVA-TONAl suitcase reproducer needed

Is the reproducer different from the non-portables?   At least some I have
seen pictures of are the same. Options?  Ebay and George Vollema.   If
really desperate, maybe you can recreate the parts with good old JB Weld.

Ron L

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Behalf Of Bob Maffit
Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 11:43 PM
To: 'Antique Phonograph List'
Subject: [Phono-L] Columbia VIVA-TONAl suitcase reproducer needed

Phono folk:

 

I am having difficulty in finding a reproducer for a Columbia VIVA-TONAL
suitcase machine which I think came out in the late teens . the reproducer
is cast and the portion recessed in the tone arm, was swollen  froze,
subsequently broke / crumbled when being removed.

 

Does anyone have one which is workable, or at least salvageable for parts
which I may be able to use to assemble a usable reproducer? 

 I did consult with George  Duane with no luck.

 

I did find a Kimble reproducer which fits the recess however, the diameter
of the reproducer is to large and when resting in the cradle, the lid will
not close. The diameter of the reproducer needs to be 2  7/16  or less to
work. Tight tolerances with this compact machine.

I really would like to find a workable replacement. 

 

Later

 

Bob

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[Phono-L] Columbia VIVA-TONAl suitcase reproducer needed

[Bob Maffit]

Phono folk:

 

I am having difficulty in finding a reproducer for a Columbia VIVA-TONAL
suitcase machine which I think came out in the late teens . the reproducer
is cast and the portion recessed in the tone arm, was swollen  froze,
subsequently broke / crumbled when being removed.

 

Does anyone have one which is workable, or at least salvageable for parts
which I may be able to use to assemble a usable reproducer? 

 I did consult with George  Duane with no luck.

 

I did find a Kimble reproducer which fits the recess however, the diameter
of the reproducer is to large and when resting in the cradle, the lid will
not close. The diameter of the reproducer needs to be 2  7/16  or less to
work. Tight tolerances with this compact machine.

I really would like to find a workable replacement. 

 

Later

 

Bob

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[Phono-L] NPR phonograph celebrities

[Bob Maffit]

Phono folks:

 

While setting at the dinner table in Montana tonight, I was listening to
NPr, which made a reference to Milan Ohio. They were talking about
restoration of vintage cars. 

 

I said, Milan Ohio, why do I know that? Then, yes! Don Gfell. Then Don's
voice from sights  sounds  Of Edison Yes its Don

 

Just a little story that came around in an odway however, Don still is a
great ambassador for us phono folk, whom I have a lot of gratitude for the
time  phone conversations we had many years ago, when I was learning about
phonos!

 

 

Thanks Don for your enthusiasm.

 

Later

 

Bob

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[Phono-L] Info on an Edison DD W-250 needed

[Bob Maffit]

Phono listers:

 

I am trying to find info about an Edison DD  player: W-250

 

Earlier this week I was asked by a friend  antique shop owner about a
phonograph he recently acquired and I agreed to help him by way of copying
the pages from my Frow DD book. .

 

I can't seem to find it in Frows book as my reader isn't finding a glossary.

 

Any info on this machine and or what pages can it be found in Frow's book
would be a great help.

 

Later

 

Bob

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Re: [Phono-L] Info on an Edison DD W-250 needed

[Bob Maffit]

Andrew:

Got it! 

Like always, the resourcefulness of this list and its members is commendable
and appreciated.

Again, thanks

Bob

-Original Message-
From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On
Behalf Of Andrew Baron
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2012 9:49 PM
To: Antique Phonograph List
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Info on an Edison DD W-250 needed

William  Mary Official Laboratory Model, Pages 116, 117, 118, Frow, 1982
hardbound edition.

Andrew Baron

On Jul 30, 2012, at 9:00 PM, Bob Maffit wrote:

 Phono listers:
 
 
 
 I am trying to find info about an Edison DD  player: W-250
 
 
 
 Earlier this week I was asked by a friend  antique shop owner about a
 phonograph he recently acquired and I agreed to help him by way of copying
 the pages from my Frow DD book. .
 
 
 
 I can't seem to find it in Frows book as my reader isn't finding a
glossary.
 
 
 
 Any info on this machine and or what pages can it be found in Frow's book
 would be a great help.
 
 
 
 Later
 
 
 
 Bob
 
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Re: [Phono-L] Info on an Edison DD W-250 needed

[Bob Maffit]

Dan:

I previously had made a mental note that near or after WW1, the models
changed from the numbered associated to the price, to the 19
designation.

Later

Bob

-Original Message-
From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On
Behalf Of DanKj
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2012 9:49 PM
To: Antique Phonograph List
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Info on an Edison DD W-250 needed

 It is on page 157 of my Frow ..  The William  Mary was introduced as 
W-250, and later called W-19 .


- Original Message - 
From: Bob Maffit
To: 'Antique Phonograph List'
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2012 11:00 PM
Subject: [Phono-L] Info on an Edison DD W-250 needed


Phono listers:



I am trying to find info about an Edison DD  player: W-250



Earlier this week I was asked by a friend  antique shop owner about a
phonograph he recently acquired and I agreed to help him by way of copying
the pages from my Frow DD book. .



I can't seem to find it in Frows book as my reader isn't finding a glossary.



Any info on this machine and or what pages can it be found in Frow's book
would be a great help.



Later



Bob

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Re: [Phono-L] Info on an Edison DD W-250 needed

[Bob Maffit]

Jim:

Thanks for asking, I am blind and have previously scanned the Frow books via
a computer  scanner nearly 15 years ago. The home spun work is only about
80 percent accrete. I generally go from memory and ask for reader help to
refine my recollection.

Quite frankly, I didn't recall the W-250 from previous review.

While surfing the web, I think at 'Mainspring press, I thought I read the
Frow books will be coming out in E-copy, this will make my approach much
better.

I got the info I needed, thanks folks.

Later

Bob

-Original Message-
From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On
Behalf Of Jim Nichol
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2012 9:49 PM
To: Antique Phonograph List
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Info on an Edison DD W-250 needed

The W-250 is a William and Mary.  I would be astonished if that is not in
the Diamond Disc book.  What do you mean by reader?

Jim

On Jul 30, 2012, at 11:00 PM, Bob Maffit maff...@bresnan.net wrote:

 Phono listers:
 
 
 
 I am trying to find info about an Edison DD  player: W-250
 
 
 
 Earlier this week I was asked by a friend  antique shop owner about a
 phonograph he recently acquired and I agreed to help him by way of copying
 the pages from my Frow DD book. .
 
 
 
 I can't seem to find it in Frows book as my reader isn't finding a
glossary.
 
 
 
 Any info on this machine and or what pages can it be found in Frow's book
 would be a great help.
 
 
 
 Later
 
 
 
 Bob
 
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Re: [Phono-L] question for purple cylinder

[Bob Maffit]

Joan:

thanks for the info, apparently the one I have is a run of the mill and
not a Royal type.
It may have a little more value given the color, just a guess.

thanks

Bob

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From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On
Behalf Of phonost...@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2012 8:51 AM
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] question for purple cylinder

Bob,
 
I checked my Edison Blue Amberol book by Dr. Deakins and found #3790  
Everybody Wants A Key To My Cellar by Al Bernard,  listed on page  four.
 
I have couple BAs that look like a deep darker purple and one royal  purple 
#29062 that is a very nice lighter shade of purple.
 
Joan
 
 
In a message dated 7/23/2012 1:03:06 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
maff...@bresnan.net writes:

Phono  listers:



My wife found a purple Edison ( I assume) cylinder  as she has been told 
to
buy them when she finds them as they are a little  mor sought after than 
run
of the mill blue ones. 



When we  looked at it, it did not start with 29**, it had the number of
3790  title: everybody wants a key to my cellar



Not what I was  expecting when she said she found a purple cylinder. She
claims it is the  same purple color.

The lettering is not gold however, it is  white.



So..:  What is the deal? I thought all purple  cylinders were from the  
29**
series!



later



Bob

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Re: [Phono-L] question for purple cylinder

[Bob Maffit]

Steve:

thanks, I like it's uniqueness and will keep it unless it commands a good
price.
It adds color to my cylinder cabinet drawer. *grin*

again, thanks

Bob

-Original Message-
From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On
Behalf Of Steven Medved
Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2012 9:48 AM
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] question for purple cylinder


Bob,
 
They are not common and sell for more.
 
Steve
 

 From: maff...@bresnan.net
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 17:41:40 -0600
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] question for purple cylinder
 
 Steve:
 
 thanks, I will try and get a pic and go from there.
 
 later
 
 Bob
 
 -Original Message-
 From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org]
On
 Behalf Of Steven Medved
 Sent: Monday, July 23, 2012 9:30 AM
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] question for purple cylinder
 
 
 The color of BA records very from light blue to a very dark blue. I have
 seen a purple one on eBay that was not one of the Royal Purple series. It
 was a different color of purple, but it was purple. I think I even have
 one. Edison used dye which varied in color. Steve
  From: maff...@bresnan.net
  To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
  Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2012 22:48:51 -0600
  Subject: [Phono-L] question for purple cylinder
  
  Phono listers:
  
  
  
  My wife found a purple Edison ( I assume) cylinder as she has been
told
 to
  buy them when she finds them as they are a little mor sought after than
 run
  of the mill blue ones. 
  
  
  
  When we looked at it, it did not start with 29**, it had the number of
  3790 title: everybody wants a key to my cellar
  
  
  
  Not what I was expecting when she said she found a purple cylinder.
She
  claims it is the same purple color.
  
  The lettering is not gold however, it is white.
  
  
  
  So..: What is the deal? I thought all purple cylinders were from the
 29**
  series!
  
  
  
  later
  
  
  
  Bob
  
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Re: [Phono-L] Fwd: Looking for info or a 2/4 minute attachment.

[Bob Maffit]

Ken:

I can attest to the same, Steve does very credible work at a down to earth
price.

later

Bob
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From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On
Behalf Of Vinyl Visions
Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2012 8:14 PM
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Fwd: Looking for info or a 2/4 minute attachmet.


Ken,If you do find a 2/4 conversion kit, you will also need a 4 minute
stylus in your Lyric reproducer. Finding a 4 min original Columbia
reproducer is another needle in a haystack and not cheap. I sent my original
2 minute Lyric to Steven Medved and he installed an Edison H needle bar and
stylus, along with a copper diaphragm, which works perfectly and solved my
problem. Steven is on the list frequently, so when you need him, just ask...
he does great work.Curt

 Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2012 14:48:47 -0700
 From: onatorr...@yahoo.com
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Fwd:  Looking for info or a 2/4 minute attachmet.
 
 Curt,
 Thanks for all the information.  I printed it out so I can refer back to
it later.  I do that with some posts so that it is easy for me to remember
and cataloged.
 Thanks again,
 Kenneth
 PS:  I book marked your welcome page.
  
 
 
  From: Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org phono-l@oldcrank.org 
 Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2012 5:05 PM
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Fwd:  Looking for info or a 2/4 minute attachmet.
   
 
 Ken,
 If you would like to see what a BE conversion looks like, go to our
webpage: http://www.carolinaphonosociety.com/ After clicking on ENTER, you
will be on the page with a woman and Nipper - at the top of the page, click
on the link Columbia BF 2-4 minute conversion
 I recently did the same thing you are attempting to do with your BE, to my
BF machine. However, I could not find the actual BF conversion kit and
adapted a BE conversion kit to work. The main difference between the two is
the length of the feedscrew. The BE is approx. 8 long and the BF is approx.
10 long - the adaptation would not have worked in reverse - a BF kit will
not work on a BE. 
 No one seemed to know much about Columbia 2/4 conversions when I was
researching mine earlier this year, so I have learned quite a bit about
them. First, if you find a kit, it has to include a feedscrew with the
gearing attached and an adapter plate with a locking post for the conversion
to work. Make sure all the parts are there before purchasing one, because
they are a needle in a haystack to find. The pics of my machine with the BE
adapter on it are on the above website. 
 Although, Columbia made the adapter kits to be used with a number of
machines, they apparently did not make many of them because the cost for the
adapter was almost as much as the original machine and Columbia did not make
4 minute cylinders (other than the Indestructible brand). It was also at the
end of the cylinder age, when most people were starting to opt for disc
records.
 Curt
 
  Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2012 11:32:56 -0700
  From: onatorr...@yahoo.com
  To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
  Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Fwd:  Looking for info or a 2/4 minute attachmet.
  
  David,
  I went back and check with the Columbia Phonograph Companion Vol. 1, and
you are very right.  There was more than one attachmemt made to work. on
different machines.
  Oops, Thank you for correcting me.  I should have double checked my
facts before talking out of foggy memory and scatchy mental pictues.  Still
I would love to find a BE 2/4 minute attachment.  I wander if the other
attachment for the BK might work on my Columbia Oxford, it was based on the
BK but my Oxford Machinehad has the bedplate and gearing all look to be
identical to the BK.  The Oxford case is plain with trim around bedplate and
base of machine. It is correct to be without decals of any kind other than
the double pinsripe on the Japaned black lacker bedplate.  Information
passed on to me by Tim Fabrizio about the interesting fact that they did not
decal the case at all, just plane oak.  The tone arm conmected to the horn
support is painted glossy black to match the backmount and bedplate, the
elbow connecting to the reproducer and the slide tube are nickeled.  The
slide tube just turns under and connects to the elbow unlike the BKT
   that has a U Tube at the end of the slide.  I have a really nice
larger Columbia Black Petals Horn with raised accents aound each petal and
there this is a double yellow rose decal on each of the petals too.  I
really like the way it looks with the black parts of the machine.
   
  I will attach a photo with this posting so you can see the machine.  I
am quite proud of it as I am sure you can tell. But not as proud as my
mahogany Triumph and Home model A long case.
  Any ways David,  I would like to say thanks for correcting me, I have
learned many things from the post that have been made here.
  Kenneth Keeton
   
  PS:The Picture of my Oxford Cylinder

Re: [Phono-L] question for purple cylinder

[Bob Maffit]

John:

Not sure how to do such, can pics now be attached to Phonolist directly?

later

Bob

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From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On
Behalf Of john robles
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2012 11:05 PM
To: Antique Phonograph List
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] question for purple cylinder

I've seen BA cylinders that have a purplish hue to them, but not like the
Royal 
Purple series. I wonder if it is a BA that is a bit bleached out or
something? 
Can you post a pic?
John Robles





From: Bob Maffit maff...@bresnan.net
To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org
Sent: Sun, July 22, 2012 9:54:17 PM
Subject: [Phono-L] question for purple cylinder

Phono listers:



My wife found a purple Edison ( I assume) cylinder as she has been told to
buy them when she finds them as they are a little mor sought after than run
of the mill blue ones. 



When we looked at it, it did not start with 29**, it had the number of
3790 title: everybody wants a key to my cellar



Not what I was expecting when she said she found a purple cylinder. She
claims it is the same purple color.

The lettering is not gold however, it is white.



So..:  What is the deal? I thought all purple cylinders were from the 29**
series!



later



Bob

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Re: [Phono-L] question for purple cylinder

[Bob Maffit]

Steve:

thanks, I will try and get a pic and go from there.

later

Bob

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From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On
Behalf Of Steven Medved
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2012 9:30 AM
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] question for purple cylinder


The color of BA records very from light blue to a very dark blue.  I have
seen a purple one on eBay that was not one of the Royal Purple series.  It
was a different color of purple, but it was purple.  I think I even have
one.   Edison used dye which varied in color. Steve
  From: maff...@bresnan.net
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2012 22:48:51 -0600
 Subject: [Phono-L] question for purple cylinder
 
 Phono listers:
 
  
 
 My wife found a purple Edison ( I assume) cylinder as she has been told
to
 buy them when she finds them as they are a little mor sought after than
run
 of the mill blue ones. 
 
  
 
 When we looked at it, it did not start with 29**, it had the number of
 3790 title: everybody wants a key to my cellar
 
  
 
 Not what I was expecting when she said she found a purple cylinder. She
 claims it is the same purple color.
 
 The lettering is not gold however, it is white.
 
  
 
 So..:  What is the deal? I thought all purple cylinders were from the
29**
 series!
 
  
 
 later
 
  
 
 Bob
 
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[Phono-L] question for purple cylinder

[Bob Maffit]

Phono listers:

 

My wife found a purple Edison ( I assume) cylinder as she has been told to
buy them when she finds them as they are a little mor sought after than run
of the mill blue ones. 

 

When we looked at it, it did not start with 29**, it had the number of
3790 title: everybody wants a key to my cellar

 

Not what I was expecting when she said she found a purple cylinder. She
claims it is the same purple color.

The lettering is not gold however, it is white.

 

So..:  What is the deal? I thought all purple cylinders were from the 29**
series!

 

later

 

Bob

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Re: [Phono-L] Bush and Lane Duo Vox question?

[Bob Maffit]

Philip:

Thanks for your assistance with this.

Later

Bob

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From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On
Behalf Of Philip Carli
Sent: Monday, July 09, 2012 11:54 AM
To: Antique Phonograph List
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Bush and Lane Duo Vox question?

Wyatt Markus has a description  pictures (not a video - I misremembered) of
the Duo-Vox at his site: http://www.edisondiamonddisc.com/

Enter the site, scroll down the page to 'Phonograph Resources' and his
picture link is 10 spaces down the right-hand column.  Wyatt's an excellent
gent and a first class technician/explainer.  Hope this is a little more
insight for you.  Philip

From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] on behalf
of Bob Maffit [maff...@bresnan.net]
Sent: Friday, July 06, 2012 1:14 PM
To: 'Antique Phonograph List'
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Bush and Lane Duo Vox question?

Philip:

OH! That would be great.

If  when you have a link, please send.

Later

Bob

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From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On
Behalf Of Philip Carli
Sent: Friday, July 06, 2012 4:42 AM
To: Antique Phonograph List
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Bush and Lane Duo Vox question?

A friend of mine once made a very detailed video showing the construction
and functions of a Duo-Vox soundbox he restored, which was really quite
astonishing.  He thought it one of the most ingenious and best-sounding
soundboxes of the acoustic era, including on Edisons.  I agree with him.
I'll write him and see if he'd be willing to repost for you. PC

From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] on behalf
of Steven Medved [steve_nor...@msn.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2012 4:08 PM
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Bush and Lane Duo Vox question?

Bob, Sorry that is all I know, you might contact the seller. Steve
  From: maff...@bresnan.net
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2012 10:24:09 -0600
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Bush and Lane Duo Vox question?

 Steve:

 Thanks for the link.

 Just trying to understand / research this brand.

 Later

 Bob

 -Original Message-
 From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org]
On
 Behalf Of Steven Medved
 Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2012 6:14 PM
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Bush and Lane Duo Vox question?



http://www.ebay.com/itm/Bush-Lane-DUO-VOX-Reproducer-Sound-Box-ULTRA-RARE-/1
 30723595692   From: maff...@bresnan.net
  To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
  Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2012 17:23:18 -0600
  Subject: [Phono-L] Bush and Lane Duo Vox question?
 
  Phono listers:
 
 
 
  I have located a phonograph I haven't come across before. It is a  Bush
 and
  Lane Duo Vox brand. Apparently it plays Edison Diamond Disks.
 
 
 
  Anyone know about these or have a link to such?
 
 
 
  Later
 
 
 
  Bob
 
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Re: [Phono-L] Bush and Lane Duo Vox question?

[Bob Maffit]

Philip:

OH! That would be great.

If  when you have a link, please send.

Later

Bob

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From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On
Behalf Of Philip Carli
Sent: Friday, July 06, 2012 4:42 AM
To: Antique Phonograph List
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Bush and Lane Duo Vox question?

A friend of mine once made a very detailed video showing the construction
and functions of a Duo-Vox soundbox he restored, which was really quite
astonishing.  He thought it one of the most ingenious and best-sounding
soundboxes of the acoustic era, including on Edisons.  I agree with him.
I'll write him and see if he'd be willing to repost for you. PC

From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] on behalf
of Steven Medved [steve_nor...@msn.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2012 4:08 PM
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Bush and Lane Duo Vox question?

Bob, Sorry that is all I know, you might contact the seller. Steve
  From: maff...@bresnan.net
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2012 10:24:09 -0600
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Bush and Lane Duo Vox question?

 Steve:

 Thanks for the link.

 Just trying to understand / research this brand.

 Later

 Bob

 -Original Message-
 From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org]
On
 Behalf Of Steven Medved
 Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2012 6:14 PM
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Bush and Lane Duo Vox question?



http://www.ebay.com/itm/Bush-Lane-DUO-VOX-Reproducer-Sound-Box-ULTRA-RARE-/1
 30723595692   From: maff...@bresnan.net
  To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
  Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2012 17:23:18 -0600
  Subject: [Phono-L] Bush and Lane Duo Vox question?
 
  Phono listers:
 
 
 
  I have located a phonograph I haven't come across before. It is a  Bush
 and
  Lane Duo Vox brand. Apparently it plays Edison Diamond Disks.
 
 
 
  Anyone know about these or have a link to such?
 
 
 
  Later
 
 
 
  Bob
 
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Re: [Phono-L] Bush and Lane Duo Vox question?

[Bob Maffit]

Steve:

Thanks for the link. 

Just trying to understand / research this brand.

Later

Bob

-Original Message-
From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On
Behalf Of Steven Medved
Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2012 6:14 PM
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Bush and Lane Duo Vox question?


http://www.ebay.com/itm/Bush-Lane-DUO-VOX-Reproducer-Sound-Box-ULTRA-RARE-/1
30723595692   From: maff...@bresnan.net
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2012 17:23:18 -0600
 Subject: [Phono-L] Bush and Lane Duo Vox question?
 
 Phono listers:
 
  
 
 I have located a phonograph I haven't come across before. It is a  Bush
and
 Lane Duo Vox brand. Apparently it plays Edison Diamond Disks.
 
  
 
 Anyone know about these or have a link to such?
 
  
 
 Later
 
  
 
 Bob
 
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