Software doesn't wear out and it doesn't run out. The fact that a vendor
needs to keep getting paid is not the customer's problem. Customers only
need one copy of a piece of software to do what they want to do, for as
long as they want to do it.
Forcing people to keep paying over
Ken Dibble wrote:
Therein lies the crux of this debate: you can't copy beans--you must
provide MORE beans, whereas with software, folks say it just takes a
simple copy onto another CD and doesn't require (much) additional (or
equal to the first) effort.
As for Charlie's comment about
The thing that caught my eye this week was the following line in the End
User License Agreement (EULA) for Microsoft's Vista Home Basic and Vista
Home Premium: USE WITH VIRTUALIZATION TECHNOLOGIES. You may not use the
software installed on the licensed device within a virtual (or otherwise
Therein lies the crux of this debate: you can't copy beans--you must
provide MORE beans, whereas with software, folks say it just takes a
simple copy onto another CD and doesn't require (much) additional (or
equal to the first) effort.
As for Charlie's comment about software rentals,
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Isnt that what microsoft is doing ?
Virgil Bierschwale
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Boy I don't understand this at all.
You say that we should punish a company for making a living from the goods
that their employees make ?
No, what's being said (in my understanding of it anyway) is that a company
who thinks their revenue stream is more important than their customers
needs,
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Boy I don't understand this at all.
You say
Virgil Bierschwale wrote:
They will be when their customers stop buying.
Right now they have the best mouse trap.
No they don't! They have the default one.
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Memphis TN 38115
901.246-0159
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Virgil Bierschwale wrote:
They will be when their customers stop buying.
Right now they have the best mouse trap.
No they don't! They have the default one
On Dec 6, 2006, at 2:26 PM, Virgil Bierschwale wrote:
He who has the largest customer base is right unless somebody can
build a
better mouse trap and take their customer base away grin
It is not necessary to build a better mouse trap. In fact, that
almost makes it harder to
Charlie Coleman wrote:
At 10:45 PM 12/5/2006 -0300, Ricardo Aráoz wrote:
...
When you buy the can of beans, you only get 1 can. Want to cans (copies)?
Fork over another 89 cents. :-)
When you give me a can then you have one less can so it is reasonable
you get something for it. When you
This is an interesting supposition that we mere mortals are in a
position to differentiate between reality and virtual reality. Cue the
Twilight Zone theme, please.
To me this is much ado about nothing. 95% of the EULA is unenforceable.
Microsoft has a right to protect its interests from loss
On 12/5/06, Hal Kaplan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Otherwise, get lost. I am busy.
Yes, but what happens when Windows Vista SP1a comes out with WGD -
Windows Genuine Disadvantage (tm) - that won't let you get updates if
you're running inside a VM?
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On 12/5/06, Hal Kaplan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Otherwise, get lost. I am busy.
Yes, but what happens when Windows Vista SP1a comes out with WGD -
Windows Genuine Disadvantage (tm) - that won't let you get updates if
you're running inside a VM?
You wait until the virtual
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MB Software Solutions wrote:
Bill Anderson wrote:
I don't want
Virgil Bierschwale wrote:
Boy I don't understand this at all.
You say that we should punish a company for making a living from the goods
that their employees make ?
Whats next ?
Are you going to put the corner convenience store out of business because
they make a living selling their goods
At 11:02 AM 12/5/2006 -0600, Virgil Bierschwale wrote:
Boy I don't understand this at all.
You say that we should punish a company for making a living from the goods
that their employees make ?
Now you confused me (not hard to do though).
Are you saying the employees are driving the direction
At 12:57 PM 12/5/2006 -0500, Vince Teachout wrote:
Virgil Bierschwale wrote:
...
Whats next ?
Are you going to put the corner convenience store out of business because
they make a living selling their goods ?
No, not unless the store is going to sell you a can of green beans with
the
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Virgil Bierschwale wrote:
Boy I don't understand this at all.
You say that we should punish a company for making a living
Charlie Coleman wrote:
At 12:57 PM 12/5/2006 -0500, Vince Teachout wrote:
Virgil Bierschwale wrote:
...
Whats next ?
Are you going to put the corner convenience store out of business
because they make a living selling their goods ?
No, not unless the store is going to sell you a can of
Virgil Bierschwale wrote:
Yet, when we sell our software, its ok for us to put stipulations that
specify that you cannot have more then one copy, yada yada yada, in order to
protect ourselves..?
When you buy the can of beans, you only get 1 can. Want to cans
(copies)? Fork over another
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Virgil Bierschwale wrote:
Yet, when we sell our software, its ok for us to put stipulations that
specify that you cannot have more then one copy, yada yada yada, in
order to protect ourselves..?
When you buy the can
On Dec 5, 2006, at 3:31 PM, Virgil Bierschwale wrote:
When you buy the can of beans, you only get 1 can. Want to cans
(copies)?
Fork over another 89 cents. :-)
Isnt that what microsoft is doing ?
No. They are trying to dictate what sort of plates you may serve
those beans on.
Vince Teachout wrote:
Virgil Bierschwale wrote:
Yet, when we sell our software, its ok for us to put stipulations that
specify that you cannot have more then one copy, yada yada yada, in order to
protect ourselves..?
When you buy the can of beans, you only get 1 can. Want to
On Tuesday, December 05, 2006 4:49 PM Virgil Bierschwale wrote:
I'll concede to that explanation.
I see both points, BUT I paid for it and you sold it to me so I should
be able to use it..
Software has always been sold as a license for you to use. Usually the
license is for 1 user 1 PC.
Sheep
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I was remembering the brothers Daryl the other day when someone brought up
the line.
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At 04:59 PM 12/5/2006 -0500, David Crooks wrote:
I'll concede to that explanation.
I see both points, BUT I paid for it and you sold it to me so I should
be able to use it..
Software has always been sold as a license for you to use. Usually the
license is for 1 user 1 PC. Borland's software
Stephen the Cook wrote:
Earlier today I was reading on CIO's take on how long to jump into Vista. I
was reading their reasons, and a hard drive encryption that they can
activate seems to be a huge risk. Intended for the Laptop was stolen, how
do you stop the thieves from gaining access to
Virgil Bierschwale wrote:
Isnt that what microsoft is doing ?
I don't think so. What I would call it is the old bait and switch.
Software has been around for a long long time and the industry has
accepted the single
PC use for as long as I can remember, this is what I think everyone
Eugene Vital wrote:
Virgil Bierschwale wrote:
Isnt that what microsoft is doing ?
I don't think so. What I would call it is the old bait and switch.
Software has been around for a long long time and the industry has
accepted the single
PC use for as long as I can remember, this is
At 10:45 PM 12/5/2006 -0300, Ricardo Aráoz wrote:
...
When you buy the can of beans, you only get 1 can. Want to cans (copies)?
Fork over another 89 cents. :-)
When you give me a can then you have one less can so it is reasonable
you get something for it. When you give me a copy then you
Bill Anderson wrote:
I don't want to keep beating up on Microsoft; I really don't, but it is
particularly hard to avoid doing so at the moment. The company's
ubiquity means that one can't help but notice the sometimes unpleasant,
occasionally weird and often downright sleazy things that it
MB Software Solutions wrote:
Bill Anderson wrote:
I don't want to keep beating up on Microsoft; I really don't, but it
is particularly hard to avoid doing so at the moment. The company's
ubiquity means that one can't help but notice the sometimes
unpleasant, occasionally weird and often
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