Re: [NF] YouTube is written in Python
On Wed, 13 Dec 2006 16:37:47 +, Peter Cushing [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: (all you can eat for £4) I can eat a whole lot for 4 squids as well I find! -- Alan Bourke [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Does exactly what it says on the tin ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] Idiots are everywhere
On Thu, 14 Dec 2006 13:35:56 -0600, Whil Hentzen (Pro*) [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: joiner fields That's so crazy it just might work! -- Alan Bourke [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.fastmail.fm - The professional email service ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: Sure hope this ain't the future of programming...!!!
How does that work!? You are not getting paid and you may be working a 40 hour week! Sorry, I couldn't come in to work today because I couldn't afford the bus! Tristan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Virgil Bierschwale Posted At: 15 December 2006 01:59 Posted To: Profox Archive Conversation: Sure hope this ain't the future of programming...!!! Subject: Sure hope this ain't the future of programming...!!! http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/sof/249049416.html -- This email was sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unless otherwise agreed expressly in writing by Marine Software Limited, this communication and attachments are to be treated as confidential and the information in it may not be used or disclosed except for the purpose for which it was sent. If you are not the intended recipient of this communication you should destroy it without copying, disclosing or otherwise using its contents. Please notify the sender immediately of the error. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] Madagain and Pete EXPLAINED!
On Thursday 14 December 2006 16:20, Helio W. wrote: Hi Helio! You probably should have typed a new subject line. This has nothing to do with the thread. US scientists reject interference Some 10,000 US researchers have signed a statement protesting about political interference in the scientific process. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/6178213.stm -- Regards, Pete http://www.pete-theisen.com/ ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] Madagain and Pete EXPLAINED!
On Thursday 14 December 2006 17:27, Virgil Bierschwale wrote: I imagine they say yes master... Hi Virgil! I was thinking more along the lines of Heil, or cheers. -- Regards, Pete http://www.pete-theisen.com/ ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] RE: Keeping American Programmers at Work
On Thursday 14 December 2006 03:30, Kristyne McDaniel wrote: Virgil, Here's to hoping it never happens to you and I'd drink to it, but the cupboard is bare, for now grin My own job at EDS was recently outsourced to India. However, there are still plenty of jobs and a lot of work in the area. I haven't replaced all of my former income yet but I think I will soon. The market really isn't all that bad for programmers. I'm a believer in growing the entire pie rather than thinking that the pie is a fixed size, Hi Kristyne! I agree up to a point. The catch is that growing the entire pie takes a lot longer - a career span for most of us - while hacking out a huge slice of the existing pie can be done in a few phone calls. -- Regards, Pete http://www.pete-theisen.com/ ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] RE: Keeping American Programmers at Work
On Thursday 14 December 2006 07:33, Virgil Bierschwale wrote: lower standard of living then we have now. Hi Virgil! This has already happened. Fresh out of high school a kid could buy a *new* US car back in the day, working a part time job at a store. Today the kid can't even afford a junker. -- Regards, Pete http://www.pete-theisen.com/ ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] Madagain and Pete EXPLAINED!
On Wednesday 13 December 2006 20:30, Helio W. wrote: That nut in Iran could be just a politician vomiting through the media what his local audience wants to hear. If he is serious (a possibility as fundamentalists are retards), I hope his own people will neutralize him. If not, I believe there's always cleaner ways to erradicate psychos than using nukes on innocent people like some fundamentalists on the other side of the spectrum always keep asking for. I also believe Madagain and Pete from now on will start talking to you very suspiciously... LOL Hi Helio! Why should we suspect Virgil? You, on the other hand, we suspect. -- Regards, Pete http://www.pete-theisen.com/ ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] RE: Keeping American Programmers at Work
On Thursday 14 December 2006 08:09, Stephen the Cook wrote: Michael Madigan wrote: That's exactly right! A rising tide floats all ships. Screws may still need to be removed though. :) Hi Stephen! I think our hull is screwed to the bottom. -- Regards, Pete http://www.pete-theisen.com/ ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] HyPower Develops Hydrogen Technology to Power Vehicle from WATER!
On Wednesday 13 December 2006 21:06, Leland Jackson wrote: No, I would only have to wait for the wind to blow, but here in Texas that wait is never long. Hi Leland! So you would go whichever way it was blowing? -- Regards, Pete http://www.pete-theisen.com/ ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: Sure hope this ain't the future of programming...!!!
Sheer Bloody Luxury! In my day we had to pay the employer for the privilege of working and double time if we worked late! These youngsters don't know they're born! Dave Crozier -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tristan Leask Sent: 15 December 2006 09:04 To: profox@leafe.com Subject: RE: Sure hope this ain't the future of programming...!!! How does that work!? You are not getting paid and you may be working a 40 hour week! Sorry, I couldn't come in to work today because I couldn't afford the bus! Tristan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Virgil Bierschwale Posted At: 15 December 2006 01:59 Posted To: Profox Archive Conversation: Sure hope this ain't the future of programming...!!! Subject: Sure hope this ain't the future of programming...!!! http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/sof/249049416.html -- This email was sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unless otherwise agreed expressly in writing by Marine Software Limited, this communication and attachments are to be treated as confidential and the information in it may not be used or disclosed except for the purpose for which it was sent. If you are not the intended recipient of this communication you should destroy it without copying, disclosing or otherwise using its contents. Please notify the sender immediately of the error. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: Sure hope this ain't the future of programming...!!!
Tristan,
Any more of this and we must go OT but I couldn't resist the following
rambling by the late great Tony Capstick - to be spoken I a broad
Lancashire accent whilst eating a slice of Hovis bread:
I'll never forget that first day at t'pit.
Me an' mi father worked a 72 hour shift, then wi walked home 43 mile through
t'snow in us bare feet, huddled inside us clothes med out o' old sacks.
Eventually we trudged over t'hill until wi could see t'street light
twinklin' in our village.
Mi father smiled down at mi through t'icicles hangin' off his nose. Nearly
home now lad, he said.
We stumbled into t'house and stood there freezin' cold and tired out,
shiverin' and miserable, in front o' t' meagre fire.
Any road, mi mam says Cheer up, lads. I've got you some nice brown bread
and butter for yer tea.
Ee, mi father went crackers. He reached out and gently pulled mi mam towards
'im by t'throat. You big fat, idle ugly wart, he said. You gret useless
spawny-eyed parrot-faced wazzock. ('E had a way wi words, mi father. He'd
bin to college, y'know). You've been out playin' bingo all afternoon
instead o' gettin' some proper snap ready for me an' this lad, he explained
to mi poor, little, purple-faced mam.
Then turnin' to me he said Arthur, (He could never remember mi name),
here's half a crown. Nip down to t'chip 'oyl an' get us a nice piece o'
'addock for us tea. Man cannot live by bread alone.
He were a reyt tater, mi father.
He said as 'ow workin' folk should have some dignity an' pride an' self
respect, an' as 'ow they should come home to summat warm an' cheerful.
An' then he threw mi mam on t'fire.
We didn't 'ave no tellies or shoes or bedclothes.
We med us own fun in them days.
Do you know, when I were a lad you could get a tram down into t'town, buy
three new suits an' an ovvercoat, four pair o' good boots, go an' see George
Formby at t'Palace Theatre, get blind drunk, 'ave some steak an' chips,
bunch o' bananas an' three stone o' monkey nuts an' still 'ave change out of
a farthing.
We'd lots o' things in them days they 'aven't got today - rickets,
diptheria, Hitler and my, we did look well goin' to school wi' no backside
in us trousers an' all us little 'eads painted purple because we 'ad
ringworm.
They don't know they're born today!!!
Dave Crozier
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How does that work!? You are not getting paid and you may be working a
40 hour week! Sorry, I couldn't come in to work today because I
couldn't afford the bus!
Tristan
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RE: Sure hope this ain't the future of programming...!!!
And Finally, this from Monty Python... Aye. In them days, we'd a' been glad to have the price of a cup o' tea. A cup ' COLD tea. Without milk or sugar. OR tea! In a filthy, cracked cup. We never used to have a cup. We used to have to drink out of a rolled up newspaper. The best WE could manage was to suck on a piece of damp cloth. But you know, we were happy in those days, though we were poor. Aye. BECAUSE we were poor. My old Dad used to say to me, Money doesn't buy you happiness. 'E was right. I was happier then and I had NOTHIN'. We used to live in this tiiiny old house, with great big holes in the roof. House? You were lucky to have a HOUSE! We used to live in one room, all hundred and twenty-six of us, no furniture. Half the floor was missing; we were all huddled together in one corner for fear of FALLING! You were lucky to have a ROOM! We used to have to live in a corridor! O we used to DREAM of livin' in a corridor! Woulda' been a palace to us. We used to live in an old water tank on a rubbish tip. We got woken up every morning by having a load of rotting fish dumped all over us! House!? Hmph. Well when I say house it was only a hole in the ground covered by a piece of tarpolin, but it was a house to US. We were evicted from *our* hole in the ground; we had to go and live in a lake! You were lucky to have a LAKE! There were a hundred and sixty of us living in a small shoebox in the middle of the road. Cardboard box? Aye. You were lucky. We lived for three months in a brown paper bag in a septic tank. We used to have to get up at six o'clock in the morning, clean the bag, eat a crust of stale bread, go to work down mill for fourteen hours a day week in-week out. When we got home, out Dad would thrash us to sleep with his belt! Luxury. We used to have to get out of the lake at three o'clock in the morning, clean the lake, eat a handful of hot gravel, go to work at the mill every day for tuppence a month, come home, and Dad would beat us around the head and neck with a broken bottle, if we were LUCKY! Well we had it tough. We used to have to get up out of the shoebox at twelve o'clock at night, and LICK the road clean with our tongues. We had half a handful of freezing cold gravel, worked twenty-four hours a day at the mill for fourpence every six years, and when we got home, our Dad would slice us in two with a bread knife. Right. I had to get up in the morning at ten o'clock at night, half an hour before I went to bed, eat a lump of cold poison, work twenty-nine hours a day down mill, and pay mill owner for permission to come to work, and when we got home, our Dad would kill us, and dance about on our graves singing Hallelujah. But you try and tell the young people today that... and they won't believe ya'. Dave Crozier -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tristan Leask Sent: 15 December 2006 09:04 To: profox@leafe.com Subject: RE: Sure hope this ain't the future of programming...!!! How does that work!? You are not getting paid and you may be working a 40 hour week! Sorry, I couldn't come in to work today because I couldn't afford the bus! Tristan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Virgil Bierschwale Posted At: 15 December 2006 01:59 Posted To: Profox Archive Conversation: Sure hope this ain't the future of programming...!!! Subject: Sure hope this ain't the future of programming...!!! http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/sof/249049416.html -- This email was sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unless otherwise agreed expressly in writing by Marine Software Limited, this communication and attachments are to be treated as confidential and the information in it may not be used or disclosed except for the purpose for which it was sent. If you are not the intended recipient of this communication you should destroy it without copying, disclosing or otherwise using its contents. Please notify the sender immediately of the error. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
[OT] Letter to Senator Kerry from a GI in Iraq
Friday, December 08, 2006 SENATOR JOHN KERRY 304 RUSSELL SENATE OFFICE BUILDING WASHINGTON DC 20510 DEAR SENATOR KERRY: WE ARE STILL LAUGHING OVER HERE IN IRAQ AT YOUR JOKE ABOUT THE TROOPS BEING DUMB. WE DO RECOGNIZE THAT YOU ARE A LOT SMARTER THAN WE ARE BECAUSE YOU WERE ABLE TO GET OUT OF COMBAT IN THREE MONTHS. THIS IS WHY WE ARE SEEKING YOUR ADVICE. PLEASE GIVE US GUIDANCE. 1.) WHERE IS THE LEAST PAINFUL AREA ON THE BODY TO INFLICT A WOUND? 2.) DOES IT HAVE TO BLEED OR WILL A SCRATCH DO? 3.) WHERE DO YOU GET THE FORMS TO FILL OUT RECOMMENDING YOURSELF FOR A PURPLE HEART? 4.) DO YOU NEED A WITNESS? IF SO, HOW MUCH DOES THAT COST? 5.) ARE THREE PURPLE HEARTS STILL GOOD FOR A TRIP HOME? 6.) WHAT IS A REALISTIC PERIOD OF TIME IN WHICH TO ACQUIRE THESE WOUNDS? LESS THAN THREE MONTHS SOUNDS A LITTLE SUSPICIOUS EVEN TO US. THANKS FOR YOUR HELP AND KEEP THE JOKES COMING. JUST A DUMB G.I. P.S.--WHAT ADVICE CAN YOU GIVE ME ON HOW TO MEET REALLY RICH WOMEN? Christmas gifts for Real Americans Free Shipping for orders over $50 http://www.cafepress.com/rightwingmike ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: Sure hope this ain't the future of programming...!!!
lol! Bored this morning Dave? Please tell me you typed that all out and didn't ctrl^c ctrl^v it!? Tristan -- This email was sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unless otherwise agreed expressly in writing by Marine Software Limited, this communication and attachments are to be treated as confidential and the information in it may not be used or disclosed except for the purpose for which it was sent. If you are not the intended recipient of this communication you should destroy it without copying, disclosing or otherwise using its contents. Please notify the sender immediately of the error. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: Sure hope this ain't the future of programming...!!!
Dave Crozier wrote: And Finally, this from Monty Python... Snip Excellent Dave. Where did you get that? I've got quite a bit of Monty Python on DVD but not that one. Peter ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [OT] RE: Keeping American Programmers at Work
I've been doing more team lead and project manager the last 10 years or so and very little development. You can find resumes on the bierschwale solutions site. I too think that if I lived in the city, it would be easier to find work. Virgil Bierschwale http://www.virgilslist.com http://www.tccutlery.com http://www.bierschwale.com http://www.bierschwalesolutions.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kristyne McDaniel Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 10:12 PM To: 'ProFox Email List' Subject: RE: [OT] RE: Keeping American Programmers at Work Virgil, I thought things were better too. BUT I've received lots of emails from others who cannot find work. I've rewritten my resume at least several hundered times, stopping short at lying, but I'm beginning to believe that's what its going to take to get me back to work. What kinds of work do you do? I seriously don't see any lack at all of work at least in the LA area. Several of the places I was working before are still looking for people even. If all you know is older versions of FoxPro then perhaps it is tough, but if you have been keeping up with internet technologies and also know VFP there does not seem to be any lack at all. I don't think it is too great for a VFP-only programmer with no other skills, but for someone that has two or three things they know how to do I can't see how they'd go hungry around here. Kristyne McDaniel www.mcstyles.com www.shamrocktrails.com [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [OT] RE: Keeping American Programmers at Work
Kris, I sure hope you're right. I used to work 60 plus hour weeks and made really good money and thought it would never end. As a matter of fact, I've even negotiated a deal between your company EDS and a company I was doing business with to arrange for management buy in after a PLM (Product Lifecycle Management) system had stalled due to politics. We originally moved back here in 2003 when my mother was diagnosed with cancer and I thought no big deal. I've allways been able to find work and I'll be able to do so back in austin. Lets just say that I learned a very humbling experience and I hope that you are right, but if we keep sending our technology and infrastructure offshore, it won't be too long before all that is left are VP's and Project Management positions and there will be an awful lot of us competing for very few of them. Again, I hope that I'm wrong, but this is what the last 4 years experience has taught me and that’s why I now believe that my lack of a degree has come back to haunt me. Virgil Bierschwale http://www.virgilslist.com http://www.tccutlery.com http://www.bierschwale.com http://www.bierschwalesolutions.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kristyne McDaniel Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 10:13 PM To: 'ProFox Email List' Subject: RE: [OT] RE: Keeping American Programmers at Work Virgil, Yeah, and we'll all be flipping burgers by then... Not me, sorry. I like to keep several options open. Always have. Kristyne McDaniel www.mcstyles.com www.shamrocktrails.com [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] Quickbooks 2004 support discontinued
I agree. I like the way they ship a new version every year for 29 - 79 bucks... Sure do wish I had a great program out on the market where a million people were willing to pay me 29 bucks every year... Oh and then kick in turbotax for a little icing on the cake.. Virgil Bierschwale http://www.virgilslist.com http://www.tccutlery.com http://www.bierschwale.com http://www.bierschwalesolutions.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of john harvey Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 10:30 PM To: 'ProFox Email List' Subject: RE: [NF] Quickbooks 2004 support discontinued Marketing Kristyne, think marketing John -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kristyne McDaniel Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 10:14 PM To: 'ProFox Email List' Subject: RE: [NF] Quickbooks 2004 support discontinued John, You will have to upgrade before 2007 to keep from losing data due to the way dates are handled in 2007. ??? Kristyne McDaniel www.mcstyles.com www.shamrocktrails.com [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: Sure hope this ain't the future of programming...!!!
I here you. I stumbled on that searching for foxpro on craigslist.. Virgil Bierschwale http://www.virgilslist.com http://www.tccutlery.com http://www.bierschwale.com http://www.bierschwalesolutions.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tristan Leask Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 3:04 AM To: profox@leafe.com Subject: RE: Sure hope this ain't the future of programming...!!! How does that work!? You are not getting paid and you may be working a 40 hour week! Sorry, I couldn't come in to work today because I couldn't afford the bus! Tristan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Virgil Bierschwale Posted At: 15 December 2006 01:59 Posted To: Profox Archive Conversation: Sure hope this ain't the future of programming...!!! Subject: Sure hope this ain't the future of programming...!!! http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/sof/249049416.html -- This email was sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unless otherwise agreed expressly in writing by Marine Software Limited, this communication and attachments are to be treated as confidential and the information in it may not be used or disclosed except for the purpose for which it was sent. If you are not the intended recipient of this communication you should destroy it without copying, disclosing or otherwise using its contents. Please notify the sender immediately of the error. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: Sure hope this ain't the future of programming...!!!
If you have the film set it is on the live at Hollywood bowl Allen -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter Cushing Sent: 15 December 2006 10:32 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Sure hope this ain't the future of programming...!!! Dave Crozier wrote: And Finally, this from Monty Python... Snip Excellent Dave. Where did you get that? I've got quite a bit of Monty Python on DVD but not that one. Peter -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 504 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.15.19/587 - Release Date: 14/12/2006 19:28 ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: Sure hope this ain't the future of programming...!!!
grin I liked that one... Virgil Bierschwale http://www.virgilslist.com http://www.tccutlery.com http://www.bierschwale.com http://www.bierschwalesolutions.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Crozier Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 3:45 AM To: 'ProFox Email List' Subject: RE: Sure hope this ain't the future of programming...!!! Sheer Bloody Luxury! In my day we had to pay the employer for the privilege of working and double time if we worked late! These youngsters don't know they're born! Dave Crozier -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tristan Leask Sent: 15 December 2006 09:04 To: profox@leafe.com Subject: RE: Sure hope this ain't the future of programming...!!! How does that work!? You are not getting paid and you may be working a 40 hour week! Sorry, I couldn't come in to work today because I couldn't afford the bus! Tristan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Virgil Bierschwale Posted At: 15 December 2006 01:59 Posted To: Profox Archive Conversation: Sure hope this ain't the future of programming...!!! Subject: Sure hope this ain't the future of programming...!!! http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/sof/249049416.html -- This email was sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unless otherwise agreed expressly in writing by Marine Software Limited, this communication and attachments are to be treated as confidential and the information in it may not be used or disclosed except for the purpose for which it was sent. If you are not the intended recipient of this communication you should destroy it without copying, disclosing or otherwise using its contents. Please notify the sender immediately of the error. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: Sure hope this ain't the future of programming...!!!
Allen wrote: If you have the film set it is on the live at Hollywood bowl Allen Hi Allen, Not got that one. Got the Monty Python movies which has life of Brian, Holy grail, meaning of life and now for something completely different. So will have a look for that one on its own. Peter ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: Sure hope this ain't the future of programming...!!!
Hold on, maybe that’s the one (now for something) though I think it was on Hollywood bowl. Now you mention it I have the quad set so it must be the same as yours. Allen -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter Cushing Hi Allen, Not got that one. Got the Monty Python movies which has life of Brian, Holy grail, meaning of life and now for something completely different. So will have a look for that one on its own. -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 504 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.15.19/587 - Release Date: 14/12/2006 19:28 ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
[NF] Priceless
http://tinyurl.com/ymzczh Fourteen bloggers met with Microsoft executives yesterday, a meeting that included an hour with Chairman Bill Gates. Their reactions: priceless. Signature moment: Seeing the look on Gates' face when he walked into the room and every single one of us had a Mac open on the desk in front of us--Niall Kennedy had also set up a makeshift Wi-Fi network using an AirPort. Mike Arrington, TechCrunch. Stephen Russell DBA / .Net Developer Memphis TN 38115 901.246-0159 Our scientific power has outrun our spiritual power. We have guided missiles and misguided men. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. http://spaces.msn.com/members/srussell/ -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.15.20/588 - Release Date: 12/15/2006 ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: Sure hope this ain't the future of programming...!!!
Virgil Bierschwale wrote: http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/sof/249049416.html There you go, Chet! Hey, it's Californiawouldn't you just be blessed to be living there? Isn't that pay enough? ;-) -- Michael J. Babcock, MCP MB Software Solutions, LLC http://mbsoftwaresolutions.com http://fabmate.com Work smarter, not harder, with MBSS custom software solutions! ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
[NF] microsoft_antipiracy_will_drive_people_to_linux
http://tinyurl.com/yzjwms Certainly, lots of people have no love for product activation and Genuine Advantage validation. Some comments on last week's Vista activation crack post express the sentiments: read link for comments Stephen Russell DBA / .Net Developer Memphis TN 38115 901.246-0159 Our scientific power has outrun our spiritual power. We have guided missiles and misguided men. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. http://spaces.msn.com/members/srussell/ -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.15.20/588 - Release Date: 12/15/2006 ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] Idiots are everywhere
Well, heck y'all, I just don't see any particular problem with the concept of joiner fields. It has never let me down with any of my commercial apps using VFP. If y'all iz havin problems using them, howz about just calling that dude and seein if he would sell you some consulting time! No, don't y'all be feeling bad about not understandin tham joiner fields. Even I get stuck sometimes. You see, now that I am beginning to migrate some of my back end tables to PostgreSQL I am having a real problem cuz there is no info on them thar joiner fields. I am gonna have to figure a new way of settin up joiners. Anyone out there have any pointers g for me on that stuff for PostgreSQL? heh-heh... joiner fields. The crazy thing is that had I heard this guy years ago when learning dBase and FoxBase/Pro I may have actually begun to use that term myself. It is pretty descriptive. Gil -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Alan Bourke Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 3:11 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [NF] Idiots are everywhere On Thu, 14 Dec 2006 13:35:56 -0600, Whil Hentzen (Pro*) [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: joiner fields That's so crazy it just might work! -- Alan Bourke [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.fastmail.fm - The professional email service [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: Sure hope this ain't the future of programming...!!!
Allen wrote: Hold on, maybe that’s the one (now for something) though I think it was on Hollywood bowl. Now you mention it I have the quad set so it must be the same as yours. Allen Sorry for going a bit OT here. The 5 disk set I've got is: http://www.play.com/DVD/DVD/4-/113358/Monty_Python_Movie_Box_Set/Product.html There is another 7 disk set: http://www.play.com/DVD/DVD/4-/3229646/Monty_Python_Movie_Box_Set/Product.html but not sure if it's in that one. Peter ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] Priceless
Stephen Russell wrote: http://tinyurl.com/ymzczh Fourteen bloggers met with Microsoft executives yesterday, a meeting that included an hour with Chairman Bill Gates. Their reactions: priceless. Signature moment: Seeing the look on Gates' face when he walked into the room and every single one of us had a Mac open on the desk in front of us--Niall Kennedy had also set up a makeshift Wi-Fi network using an AirPort. Mike Arrington, TechCrunch. Neil the M$-phyte steps up and defends M$ in the comments. :-p -- Michael J. Babcock, MCP MB Software Solutions, LLC http://mbsoftwaresolutions.com http://fabmate.com Work smarter, not harder, with MBSS custom software solutions! ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: Sure hope this ain't the future of programming...!!!
Looks like they are the same http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Yorkshiremen_sketch Allen -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter Cushing Sorry for going a bit OT here. The 5 disk set I've got is: http://www.play.com/DVD/DVD/4-/113358/Monty_Python_Movie_Box_Set/Product.htm l There is another 7 disk set: http://www.play.com/DVD/DVD/4-/3229646/Monty_Python_Movie_Box_Set/Product.ht ml but not sure if it's in that one. -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 504 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.15.19/587 - Release Date: 14/12/2006 19:28 ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: MS Partner Program has VFP under Database Products!
Virgil Bierschwale wrote: I'm making the assumption that you're putting it on your card and billing me when I get back on my feet because I havent seen 400 in I don't know when... Hell, I havent seen 40 in a long time.. Even had to give up beer.. Been thinking about getting stephen to ship me a few thousand gallons of homebrew grin Will be cranking up the brew station in 07. It's been idle for the last half of 06. Either to hot or to involved in other parts of life over the weekends. :) Stephen Russell DBA / .Net Developer Memphis TN 38115 901.246-0159 Our scientific power has outrun our spiritual power. We have guided missiles and misguided men. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. http://spaces.msn.com/members/srussell/ -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.15.20/588 - Release Date: 12/15/2006 ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] Quickbooks 2004 support discontinued
john harvey wrote: You will have to upgrade before 2007 to keep from losing data due to the way dates are handled in 2007. The dreaded 2Bond fiasco! Stephen Russell DBA / .Net Developer Memphis TN 38115 901.246-0159 Our scientific power has outrun our spiritual power. We have guided missiles and misguided men. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. http://spaces.msn.com/members/srussell/ -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.15.20/588 - Release Date: 12/15/2006 ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [OT] RE: Keeping American Programmers at Work
Kristyne McDaniel wrote: Virgil, Yeah, and we'll all be flipping burgers by then... Not me, sorry. I like to keep several options open. Always have. I still think of opening up a coffee shop on wheels. For suckers who will pay starbucks four to five dollars for a cup of over roasted over sweetened coffee, why not go after that waste of spending $$$ myself. Stephen Russell DBA / .Net Developer Memphis TN 38115 901.246-0159 Our scientific power has outrun our spiritual power. We have guided missiles and misguided men. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. http://spaces.msn.com/members/srussell/ -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.15.20/588 - Release Date: 12/15/2006 ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [OT] RE: Keeping American Programmers at Work
Pete Theisen wrote: I agree up to a point. The catch is that growing the entire pie takes a lot longer - a career span for most of us - while hacking out a huge slice of the existing pie can be done in a few phone calls. -- Regards, So now that the snowbirds are coming back does your medical practice hire you back as a Dr. instead of night security? Stephen Russell DBA / .Net Developer Memphis TN 38115 901.246-0159 Our scientific power has outrun our spiritual power. We have guided missiles and misguided men. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. http://spaces.msn.com/members/srussell/ -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.15.20/588 - Release Date: 12/15/2006 ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [OT] Madagain and Pete EXPLAINED!
Virgil Bierschwale wrote: Yeah, I've often wondered how many good things would come on the market if it hadnt been for the fact that some politicians biggest taxpayers would have lost revenue with the new invention... I mean after all. Think how much further along we would be if our engineers and scientists got what we pay our jocks and musicians... They do. Take the Principle Violinist in your community compared to the Dean of any College at your closest University. Stephen Russell DBA / .Net Developer Memphis TN 38115 901.246-0159 Our scientific power has outrun our spiritual power. We have guided missiles and misguided men. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. http://spaces.msn.com/members/srussell/ -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.15.20/588 - Release Date: 12/15/2006 ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] microsoft_antipiracy_will_drive_people_to_linux
On Dec 15, 2006, at 7:46 AM, Stephen Russell wrote: Certainly, lots of people have no love for product activation and Genuine Advantage validation. Some comments on last week's Vista activation crack post express the sentiments: read link for comments Customers have been abused by Microsoft for years in one form or another, and yet continue to send them their money. I doubt that this abuse will be any different. -- Ed Leafe -- http://leafe.com -- http://dabodev.com ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] microsoft_antipiracy_will_drive_people_to_linux
On Dec 15, 2006, at 8:54 AM, MB Software Solutions wrote: Until Linux desktop apps are prime time or rather, the main stream media/press starts supporting/promoting the usage of said apps, the Linux OS won't take over the Windows OS. Catch-22, then. Can't use Linux until everyone is already using it (i.e., prime-time). That's exactly how Microsoft would like everyone to think. -- Ed Leafe -- http://leafe.com -- http://dabodev.com ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] microsoft_antipiracy_will_drive_people_to_linux
I would like to think Linux ousting Windows would happen in my lifetime. You see,, that pretty ensures I will live at least another 80 years or so. And if I am in relatively good health all is well. I like using Linspire Linux on my father's and father-in-law's PCs as they can't really get into any trouble with the sites they visit g (some boys never grow up I guess). Even for corporate use it has its place. But, as with VFP, unless there is a resource pool available to the employers that understand how to make Linux sing on desktops like we have elarned how to tweak Windows to make it runn well, there is going to be a real hesitancy for mainstream USA to move to anything other than Windows - IMHO. Shame, I prefer to see competition and all the goodies it brings with it. Gil -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of MB Software Solutions Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 8:55 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [NF] microsoft_antipiracy_will_drive_people_to_linux Ed Leafe wrote: On Dec 15, 2006, at 7:46 AM, Stephen Russell wrote: Certainly, lots of people have no love for product activation and Genuine Advantage validation. Some comments on last week's Vista activation crack post express the sentiments: read link for comments Customers have been abused by Microsoft for years in one form or another, and yet continue to send them their money. I doubt that this abuse will be any different. Until Linux desktop apps are prime time or rather, the main stream media/press starts supporting/promoting the usage of said apps, the Linux OS won't take over the Windows OS. jmho... -- Michael J. Babcock, MCP MB Software Solutions, LLC http://mbsoftwaresolutions.com http://fabmate.com Work smarter, not harder, with MBSS custom software solutions! [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] microsoft_antipiracy_will_drive_people_to_linux
On 12/15/06, mrgmhale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would like to think Linux ousting Windows would happen in my lifetime. You see,, that pretty ensures I will live at least another 80 years or so. And if I am in relatively good health all is well. Emigrate to Europe if you're longing for a shorter life A+ jml ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: Sure hope this ain't the future of programming...!!!
At 09:45 AM 12/15/2006 +, Dave Crozier wrote: Sheer Bloody Luxury! In my day we had to pay the employer for the privilege of working and double time if we worked late! These youngsters don't know they're born! Yes, yes. But still pretty comfortable. In my day we had to pay the employer to work, could not work overtime, got our fingers chopped off if things didn't get done on time, and we had to supply our own needle and thread to sew them back on during our break time. Ah, it's daft for these young to be complaining. :-) -Charlie ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] microsoft_antipiracy_will_drive_people_to_linux
MB Software Solutions wrote: Ed Leafe wrote: On Dec 15, 2006, at 7:46 AM, Stephen Russell wrote: Certainly, lots of people have no love for product activation and Genuine Advantage validation. Some comments on last week's Vista activation crack post express the sentiments: read link for comments Customers have been abused by Microsoft for years in one form or another, and yet continue to send them their money. I doubt that this abuse will be any different. Until Linux desktop apps are prime time or rather, the main stream media/press starts supporting/promoting the usage of said apps, the Linux OS won't take over the Windows OS. About a month ago I had a good talk with a network admin who gave me a lot of reasons why porting over to Linux is so much harder then it sounds. Education of the admins is the largest hurdle for any company to overcome. Do you think that the employers would fund training, test machines and allow good testing for a cross over from Exchange to another product. Now start to list all the products that the company has to switch over. Seeing it from the larger POV where you might have to comply with STAR-BOX and or complying with a summons for all your email messages between these two dates because your company is suddenly in a lawsuit. This guy got an experiment to investigate a cost savings with Linux at a huge Financial company in Banking, Stocks and Real Estate. He found that in 2001-2002 the quality of product in the Linux camp as well as the cost of the software(s) and training of staff were much larger then expected. Stephen Russell DBA / .Net Developer Memphis TN 38115 901.246-0159 Our scientific power has outrun our spiritual power. We have guided missiles and misguided men. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. http://spaces.msn.com/members/srussell/ -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.15.20/588 - Release Date: 12/15/2006 ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: MS Partner Program has VFP under Database Products!
= Will be cranking up the brew station in 07. It's been idle = for the last half of 06. Either to hot or to involved in = other parts of life over the weekends. :) = = Stephen Russell Steve, don't forget to sign-up for that spelling and grammar course BEFORE you start the brew station. You've been putting that off for way too (notice, two oos in too) long. Bad Hal. B+ HALinNY ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] microsoft_antipiracy_will_drive_people_to_linux
Now that was funny! I do see Europe moving to Linux before the US but mostly because they hate anything from US - Original Message - From: Jean Laeremans [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ProFox Email List profox@leafe.com Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 15:39:35 +0100 Subject: Re: [NF] microsoft_antipiracy_will_drive_people_to_linux On 12/15/06, mrgmhale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would like to think Linux ousting Windows would happen in my lifetime. You see,, that pretty ensures I will live at least another 80 years or so. And if I am in relatively good health all is well. Emigrate to Europe if you're longing for a shorter life A+ jml ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] microsoft_antipiracy_will_drive_people_to_linux
One thing to remember is that M$ can't crush Linux. Linux is a thing that just exists. A free tool that people can choose to use. M$ could crush Novell, or RedHat, or some company that requires money to run and exist, but Linux just exists. Linux doesn't have a goal to be on every desktop or server. I think of it this way: Linux is like Science. Science itself has no goals except to create a language to explain the world around us. Scientists may have agenda, but science doesn't. Linux is the same. It's only goal is to be a tool to be used. Linux users and Linux company owners may have agenda. M$ can try to crush Linux, but it isn't a thing that can be crushed. Kevin Cully CULLY Technologies, LLC Sponsor of Fox Forward 2006! http://foxforward.net MB Software Solutions wrote: mrgmhale wrote: Shame, I prefer to see competition and all the goodies it brings with it. And that's just what M$ wants to crush, judging by some of their business practices. ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: MS Partner Program has VFP under Database Products!
Hal Kaplan wrote: = Will be cranking up the brew station in 07. It's been idle = for the last half of 06. Either to hot or to involved in = other parts of life over the weekends. :) = = Stephen Russell Steve, don't forget to sign-up for that spelling and grammar course BEFORE you start the brew station. You've been putting that off for way too (notice, two oos in too) long. Bad Hal. Don't forget the than/then lesson. g,dr Peter ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] HyPower Develops Hydrogen Technology to Power Vehicle from WATER!
The direction in which the wind is blowing does not limit which way a sail boat can go, but rather the way the sails and rudder at set determine the direction of a sail boat. A sail boat can go where ever it wants, as long as there is a least some wind. http://www.phys.unsw.edu.au/~jw/sailing.html or http://tinyurl.com/lqu8k Regards, LelandJ Pete Theisen wrote: On Wednesday 13 December 2006 21:06, Leland Jackson wrote: No, I would only have to wait for the wind to blow, but here in Texas that wait is never long. Hi Leland! So you would go whichever way it was blowing? ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
[NF] Putting AJAX Frameworks to the Test
http://www.devx.com/AJAXRoundup/Article/33126?trk=DXRSS_LATEST Get a developer's assessment of how well the most popular non-commercial AJAX frameworks performed during the development of a dynamic application. Stephen Russell DBA / .Net Developer Memphis TN 38115 901.246-0159 Our scientific power has outrun our spiritual power. We have guided missiles and misguided men. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. http://spaces.msn.com/members/srussell/ -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.15.20/588 - Release Date: 12/15/2006 ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] microsoft_antipiracy_will_drive_people_to_linux
On 12/15/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now that was funny! I do see Europe moving to Linux before the US but mostly because they hate anything from US Sigh, there we go againwe don't 'hate anything from US'. We do dislike - in general - US foreign policy. The move to Linux is EU inspired. Take my dept. fi. Some 50,000 pc's on our intranet. Most of our servers are already running linux (close connection with IBM, hey aren't they a US firm ?) so it figures to move to linux for the desktop too. (java + DB2) A+ jml ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] HyPower Develops Hydrogen Technology to Power Vehicle from WATER!
Sorry about that Pete. I should have said: #-- Leland Jackson wrote: The direction in which the wind is blowing does not limit the course a sailboat can travel; rather, it is the setting of the sails and rudder of a sailboat the determine direction. A sailboat can go wherever it likes, as long as there is at least some wind. http://www.phys.unsw.edu.au/~jw/sailing.html or http://tinyurl.com/lqu8k Regards, LelandJ #--- Regards, LelandJ Pete Theisen wrote: On Wednesday 13 December 2006 21:06, Leland Jackson wrote: No, I would only have to wait for the wind to blow, but here in Texas that wait is never long. Hi Leland! So you would go whichever way it was blowing? [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] microsoft_antipiracy_will_drive_people_to_linux
They wouldn't want to crush linux either because it is a place where devs can show off their ideas. Then MS can come along and pinch/use/implement them into their software for the wider use. Linux can be very valuable to MS. Tristan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Cully Posted At: 15 December 2006 14:48 Posted To: Profox Archive Conversation: [NF] microsoft_antipiracy_will_drive_people_to_linux Subject: Re: [NF] microsoft_antipiracy_will_drive_people_to_linux One thing to remember is that M$ can't crush Linux. Linux is a thing that just exists. A free tool that people can choose to use. -- This email was sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unless otherwise agreed expressly in writing by Marine Software Limited, this communication and attachments are to be treated as confidential and the information in it may not be used or disclosed except for the purpose for which it was sent. If you are not the intended recipient of this communication you should destroy it without copying, disclosing or otherwise using its contents. Please notify the sender immediately of the error. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] microsoft_antipiracy_will_drive_people_to_linux
Tristan Leask wrote: They wouldn't want to crush linux either because it is a place where devs can show off their ideas. Then MS can come along and pinch/use/implement them into their software for the wider use. I can't find the pinch/use/implement folder anywhere on my linux box ;-) Peter ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] microsoft_antipiracy_will_drive_people_to_linux
On Dec 15, 2006, at 9:43 AM, Stephen the Cook wrote: About a month ago I had a good talk with a network admin who gave me a lot of reasons why porting over to Linux is so much harder then it sounds. Education of the admins is the largest hurdle for any company to overcome. Do you think that the employers would fund training, test machines and allow good testing for a cross over from Exchange to another product. Now start to list all the products that the company has to switch over. Subtract the cost to large companies of the requirements for licensing policing, legal defense, anti-virus, security breaches, ... I agree; inertia is the main reason people stick with Microsoft. The ones who do make the effort are the ones who have either been burned by security flaws or who have spent too much time dealing with Microsoft's legal department. -- Ed Leafe -- http://leafe.com -- http://dabodev.com ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] microsoft_antipiracy_will_drive_people_to_linux
On Dec 15, 2006, at 10:08 AM, Tristan Leask wrote: They wouldn't want to crush linux either because it is a place where devs can show off their ideas. Then MS can come along and pinch/use/implement them into their software for the wider use. Linux can be very valuable to MS. Nah, they'd still use Apple to do all their RD for them. ;-) -- Ed Leafe -- http://leafe.com -- http://dabodev.com ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
[OT] another truth of Religion
http://darkgate.net/comic/images/broomhilda/1166164338.jpg Stephen Russell DBA / .Net Developer Memphis TN 38115 901.246-0159 Our scientific power has outrun our spiritual power. We have guided missiles and misguided men. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. http://spaces.msn.com/members/srussell/ -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.15.20/588 - Release Date: 12/15/2006 ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] microsoft_antipiracy_will_drive_people_to_linux
Ed Leafe wrote: On Dec 15, 2006, at 9:43 AM, Stephen the Cook wrote: About a month ago I had a good talk with a network admin who gave me a lot of reasons why porting over to Linux is so much harder then it sounds. Education of the admins is the largest hurdle for any company to overcome. Do you think that the employers would fund training, test machines and allow good testing for a cross over from Exchange to another product. Now start to list all the products that the company has to switch over. Subtract the cost to large companies of the requirements for licensing policing, legal defense, anti-virus, security breaches, ... I agree; inertia is the main reason people stick with Microsoft. The ones who do make the effort are the ones who have either been burned by security flaws or who have spent too much time dealing with Microsoft's legal department. Security flaws exist in all types of sw. Stephen Russell DBA / .Net Developer Memphis TN 38115 901.246-0159 Our scientific power has outrun our spiritual power. We have guided missiles and misguided men. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. http://spaces.msn.com/members/srussell/ -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.15.20/588 - Release Date: 12/15/2006 ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] microsoft_antipiracy_will_drive_people_to_linux
On Dec 15, 2006, at 10:57 AM, Stephen the Cook wrote: I agree; inertia is the main reason people stick with Microsoft. The ones who do make the effort are the ones who have either been burned by security flaws or who have spent too much time dealing with Microsoft's legal department. Security flaws exist in all types of sw. Well, duh. Germs exist on all types of food. Does that mean that you don't differentiate between food you've prepared yourself on relatively clean surfaces and food that you've pulled out of a dumpster? Flaws exist. Yawn. I referred to those who have been burned by those flaws. Do you wanna cite some examples of companies being burned by Linux security flaws? The list of Microsoft flaws that have cost billions of dollars to companies is well known and documented (Melissa, anyone?), but I'd like to hear about those who have paid dearly for choosing Linux. -- Ed Leafe -- http://leafe.com -- http://dabodev.com ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
[NF] New way to approach Network admins
http://darkgate.net/comic/images/pcweenies/1166188691.jpg Stephen Russell DBA / .Net Developer Memphis TN 38115 901.246-0159 Our scientific power has outrun our spiritual power. We have guided missiles and misguided men. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. http://spaces.msn.com/members/srussell/ -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.15.20/588 - Release Date: 12/15/2006 ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] New way to approach Network admins
Hey! A programmer wouldn't know how to build a robot! That's an engineer's job! Kevin Cully CULLY Technologies, LLC Sponsor of Fox Forward 2006! http://foxforward.net Stephen Russell wrote: http://darkgate.net/comic/images/pcweenies/1166188691.jpg ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] New way to approach Network admins
thats0wrong I'm just as comfortable with thermocouples as I am with foxpro and I've actually monitored them with code written in foxbase -Original Message- From: Kevin Cully [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subj: Re: [NF] New way to approach Network admins Date: Fri Dec 15, 2006 10:24 am Size: 716 bytes To: profox@leafe.com Hey! A programmer wouldn't know how to build a robot! That's an engineer's job! Kevin Cully CULLY Technologies, LLC Sponsor of Fox Forward 2006! http://foxforward.net Stephen Russell wrote: http://darkgate.net/comic/images/pcweenies/1166188691.jpg [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] microsoft_antipiracy_will_drive_people_to_linux
Ed Leafe wrote: Flaws exist. Yawn. I referred to those who have been burned by those flaws. Do you wanna cite some examples of companies being burned by Linux security flaws? The list of Microsoft flaws that have cost billions of dollars to companies is well known and documented (Melissa, anyone?), but I'd like to hear about those who have paid dearly for choosing Linux. We all agree the M$'s good intentions of software working together got the worst of worst started with a bang. It seems like those days are behind us. It prayed on the stupidity of people getting passwords for porn sights back in 98 or 99? Since then people have wised up as so have vendors. As hackers look to Linux for targets will they be as easy to find? Heck no. Neither in the Win camp. Because we have all learned from past mistakes. Stephen Russell DBA / .Net Developer Memphis TN 38115 901.246-0159 Our scientific power has outrun our spiritual power. We have guided missiles and misguided men. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. http://spaces.msn.com/members/srussell/ -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.15.20/588 - Release Date: 12/15/2006 ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] microsoft_antipiracy_will_drive_people_to_linux
On Dec 15, 2006, at 12:00 PM, Stephen the Cook wrote: As hackers look to Linux for targets will they be as easy to find? Heck no. Neither in the Win camp. Because we have all learned from past mistakes. Ah, yes. Only 3 zero-day Word exploits! Happy days are here again! -- Ed Leafe -- http://leafe.com -- http://dabodev.com ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] microsoft_antipiracy_will_drive_people_to_linux
We all agree the M$'s good intentions of software working together got the worst of worst started with a bang. It seems like those days are behind us. It prayed on the stupidity of people getting passwords for porn sights back in 98 or 99? Since then people have wised up as so have vendors. Is this why I get email with .DOC file attachments from housewives or dentists that won't pass my virus scanner? And when I tell them that their machine is infected, that they shouldn't be sending out infected documents, and maybe they should be looking at non-proprietary formats they arrogantly tell me that I'm wrong, that their machine isn't infected because their husband/nephew/brother-in-law/cable repairman told them so, and furthermore that if this was really a problem, they would have heard about it on the 6:00 news, or read about it in People? Whil ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] microsoft_antipiracy_will_drive_people_to_linux
On Friday, December 15, 2006 12:33 PM Whil Hentzen wrote: snipped they arrogantly tell me that I'm wrong, that their machine isn't infected because their husband/nephew/brother-in-law/cable repairman told them so, and furthermore that if this was really a problem, they would have heard about it on the 6:00 news, or read about it in People? Yea, that is where I look for my news about my PC and Microsoft. I wonder how Microsoft would be viewed if these viruses were broadcast to the general public on a regular basis? David L. Crooks ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] microsoft_antipiracy_will_drive_people_to_linux
Stephen the Cook wrote: snipped It prayed on the stupidity of people getting passwords for porn sights back in 98 or 99? Since then people have wised up as so have vendors. Rightnow you don't save your porn site passwords and instead just use the free sights, eh Steve? gdr -- Michael J. Babcock, MCP MB Software Solutions, LLC http://mbsoftwaresolutions.com http://fabmate.com Work smarter, not harder, with MBSS custom software solutions! ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] microsoft_antipiracy_will_drive_people_to_linux
Whil Hentzen (Pro*) wrote: Is this why I get email with .DOC file attachments from housewives or dentists that won't pass my virus scanner? And when I tell them that their machine is infected, that they shouldn't be sending out infected documents, and maybe they should be looking at non-proprietary formats they arrogantly tell me that I'm wrong, that their machine isn't infected because their husband/nephew/brother-in-law/cable repairman told them so, and furthermore that if this was really a problem, they would have heard about it on the 6:00 news, or read about it in People? This brings us back to the stupid people are everywhere thread. g -- Michael J. Babcock, MCP MB Software Solutions, LLC http://mbsoftwaresolutions.com http://fabmate.com Work smarter, not harder, with MBSS custom software solutions! ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] microsoft_antipiracy_will_drive_people_to_linux
Ed Leafe wrote: On Dec 15, 2006, at 12:00 PM, Stephen the Cook wrote: As hackers look to Linux for targets will they be as easy to find? Heck no. Neither in the Win camp. Because we have all learned from past mistakes. Ah, yes. Only 3 zero-day Word exploits! Happy days are here again! For software with a year of 2000 in it's title and it's just been found? I agree that it's a bad hole but it's taken a long time to be found. Stephen Russell DBA / .Net Developer Memphis TN 38115 901.246-0159 Our scientific power has outrun our spiritual power. We have guided missiles and misguided men. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. http://spaces.msn.com/members/srussell/ -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.15.20/588 - Release Date: 12/15/2006 ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] microsoft_antipiracy_will_drive_people_to_linux
David Crooks wrote: On Friday, December 15, 2006 12:33 PM Whil Hentzen wrote: snipped they arrogantly tell me that I'm wrong, that their machine isn't infected because their husband/nephew/brother-in-law/cable repairman told them so, and furthermore that if this was really a problem, they would have heard about it on the 6:00 news, or read about it in People? Yea, that is where I look for my news about my PC and Microsoft. I wonder how Microsoft would be viewed if these viruses were broadcast to the general public on a regular basis? They are. I think that the general public is proud to be ignorant about a computer and it's cause/effect. Like the housewife and her knowledge of the family car. I put the key in it and it turns on. Past that she could have no idea what happens under the hood. Stephen Russell DBA / .Net Developer Memphis TN 38115 901.246-0159 Our scientific power has outrun our spiritual power. We have guided missiles and misguided men. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. http://spaces.msn.com/members/srussell/ -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.15.20/588 - Release Date: 12/15/2006 ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [OT] Madagain and Pete EXPLAINED!
Take the top people in any field and they make ridiculous bucks. --- Stephen the Cook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Virgil Bierschwale wrote: Yeah, I've often wondered how many good things would come on the market if it hadnt been for the fact that some politicians biggest taxpayers would have lost revenue with the new invention... I mean after all. Think how much further along we would be if our engineers and scientists got what we pay our jocks and musicians... They do. Take the Principle Violinist in your community compared to the Dean of any College at your closest University. Stephen Russell DBA / .Net Developer Memphis TN 38115 901.246-0159 Our scientific power has outrun our spiritual power. We have guided missiles and misguided men. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. http://spaces.msn.com/members/srussell/ -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.15.20/588 - Release Date: 12/15/2006 ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious. ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] microsoft_antipiracy_will_drive_people_to_linux
On Dec 15, 2006, at 1:03 PM, Stephen the Cook wrote: For software with a year of 2000 in it's title and it's just been found? I agree that it's a bad hole but it's taken a long time to be found. 2000 was the *first* version subject to the flaws. They have persisted in all new versions released up to this year. -- Ed Leafe -- http://leafe.com -- http://dabodev.com ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
[NF]Cluebie for Newbie? Rack vs Tower servers?
Would someone give me a brief tutorial on the advantages/disadvantes, pros/cons of using a Rack server vs a Tower server? When it comes to hardware, I am, in the words of the immortal Akroyd, Jane, you ignorant slut. ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] microsoft_antipiracy_will_drive_people_to_linux
I've tried SCO Xenix, aix, and linux and I just don't see it happening.. Virgil Bierschwale http://www.virgilslist.com http://www.tccutlery.com http://www.bierschwale.com http://www.bierschwalesolutions.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ed Leafe Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 8:04 AM To: ProFox Email List Subject: Re: [NF] microsoft_antipiracy_will_drive_people_to_linux On Dec 15, 2006, at 8:54 AM, MB Software Solutions wrote: Until Linux desktop apps are prime time or rather, the main stream media/press starts supporting/promoting the usage of said apps, the Linux OS won't take over the Windows OS. Catch-22, then. Can't use Linux until everyone is already using it (i.e., prime-time). That's exactly how Microsoft would like everyone to think. -- Ed Leafe -- http://leafe.com -- http://dabodev.com [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: Bitwise operations and varbinary fields
On 12/15/06, Lew Schwartz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My current app records numerous logical values and, since I've just run out of available bit locations in my integer field, How many bits are you storing? You can store 31 or 32 bit (depending on whether you can control sign) in a 4 byte integer field. I thought I'd change it to Q(10). From what? Q: Is there a more efficient way to do this? Use separate logical fields. No coding required. Coding and processing is typically a lot more expensive than disk space. Unless you have some other retriction you didn't mention. If you must use binary storage, use masks to query the values and UDFs to get and set them. Example. Hypens added for readability. In binary, YourVal = ------- Yourmask = ----1000--- (your value is stored in the 15th postiion, counting from the right and starting at zero, not one) #DEFINE MySetting15Mask = 2^15 define function IsMyValueSet(valuetotest, mask) returns BITAND(valuetotest, mask) 0 define function SetMyValue(valueholdingsets, mask) returns BITOR(valueholdingsets, mask) Q:How to set an all bits off default value? Default 0 if they're all define false. #DEFINE a value if every other one is true: #DEFINE MyDefault 2^31+2^29+2^27+... (for extra bonus points, use one #DEFINE for each position and define all variables off that) Example: #DEFINE IsUSCitizen 29 #DEFINE HasClearance 28 #DEFINE HasTSClearance 27 ... #DEFINE HasClearanceMask 2^(HasClearance) Q:How to determine field width: len() and fsize() don't work, but using afields(...) seems to be ok. Not sure why you would need to. What is it you're trying to do? -- Ted Roche Ted Roche Associates, LLC http://www.tedroche.com ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] microsoft_antipiracy_will_drive_people_to_linux
Like I said.. Most people can't program their vcr's... They surely can't work windows And linux is way past their interest level Virgil Bierschwale http://www.virgilslist.com http://www.tccutlery.com http://www.bierschwale.com http://www.bierschwalesolutions.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Whil Hentzen (Pro*) Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 11:33 AM To: profox@leafe.com Subject: Re: [NF] microsoft_antipiracy_will_drive_people_to_linux We all agree the M$'s good intentions of software working together got the worst of worst started with a bang. It seems like those days are behind us. It prayed on the stupidity of people getting passwords for porn sights back in 98 or 99? Since then people have wised up as so have vendors. Is this why I get email with .DOC file attachments from housewives or dentists that won't pass my virus scanner? And when I tell them that their machine is infected, that they shouldn't be sending out infected documents, and maybe they should be looking at non-proprietary formats they arrogantly tell me that I'm wrong, that their machine isn't infected because their husband/nephew/brother-in-law/cable repairman told them so, and furthermore that if this was really a problem, they would have heard about it on the 6:00 news, or read about it in People? Whil [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF]Cluebie for Newbie? Rack vs Tower servers?
Vince Teachout wrote: Would someone give me a brief tutorial on the advantages/disadvantes, pros/cons of using a Rack server vs a Tower server? When it comes to hardware, I am, in the words of the immortal Akroyd, Jane, you ignorant slut. As we all are. Or should be. Because, as McCoy said to his boss, Dammit, Jim, I'm a programmer, not some type of hardware dweeb! Whil P.S. We need more women talking like that on this list. ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF]Cluebie for Newbie? Rack vs Tower servers?
On 12/15/06, Vince Teachout [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Would someone give me a brief tutorial on the advantages/disadvantes, pros/cons of using a Rack server vs a Tower server? Rack: smaller, denser, more expensive: use in a data center when you are paying for the amount of real estate your machine takes up. Noisier, usually: more air flow needed in a smaller space. Tower: larger, more room for more stuff inside. Noisy. ymmv -- Ted Roche Ted Roche Associates, LLC http://www.tedroche.com ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] microsoft_antipiracy_will_drive_people_to_linux
Virgil Bierschwale wrote: Like I said.. Most people can't program their vcr's... They surely can't work windows And linux is way past their interest level I'd agree with that...most people are afraid of technology, or at least anything beyond simpleton level. -- Michael J. Babcock, MCP MB Software Solutions, LLC http://mbsoftwaresolutions.com http://fabmate.com Work smarter, not harder, with MBSS custom software solutions! ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF]Cluebie for Newbie? Rack vs Tower servers?
On Fri, 15 Dec 2006 14:05:42 -0600 Whil Hentzen (Pro*) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Vince Teachout wrote: Would someone give me a brief tutorial on the advantages/disadvantes, pros/cons of using a Rack server vs a Tower server? When it comes to hardware, I am, in the words of the immortal Akroyd, Jane, you ignorant slut. As we all are. Or should be. Because, as McCoy said to his boss, Dammit, Jim, I'm a programmer, not some type of hardware dweeb! You forgot to say we need more beer! John Whil P.S. We need more women talking like that on this list. [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] Quickbooks 2004 support discontinued
John, Marketing Kristyne, think marketing Usually, when the bank can no longer support updates to my ancient version of QuickBooks or Quicken they send me a new copy and then I install it. I went for several years without actually *paying* for an upgrade because the bank kept sending them to me for free. Free is the right price point for me. :-) Kristyne McDaniel www.mcstyles.com www.shamrocktrails.com ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF]Cluebie for Newbie? Rack vs Tower servers?
= = You forgot to say we need more beer! = = John = Shouldn't that be mass quantities of beer? One major difference is that rack-mounts require racks. Racks are not cheap but they tend to look neater than a bunch of towers sitting around. Personally, I prefer towers or pizza boxes because they are easier to manipulate but I suppose that there is not much physical handling of a server once it is installed so a rack would not be so bad. We have both and tend to buy whichever is the best deal at the time of purchase. B+ HALinNY ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] microsoft_antipiracy_will_drive_people_to_linux
On Dec 15, 2006, at 3:37 PM, MB Software Solutions wrote: I'd agree with that...most people are afraid of technology, or at least anything beyond simpleton level. Is that why they like Windows? ;-P -- Ed Leafe -- http://leafe.com -- http://dabodev.com ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [OT] RE: Keeping American Programmers at Work
Virgil, Again, I hope that I'm wrong, but this is what the last 4 years experience has taught me and that's why I now believe that my lack of a degree has come back to haunt me. Not having a degree is definitely a problem when it comes to management jobs unless people know your work. There are so many folks with MBA's now that it is tougher for a guy that didn't spend the time and money to get at least the 4 year degree. I know it has been easier for me because I have a degree. Of course that's why I got one in the first place, though. Have you thought about going back to school? Maybe this is the right time to do that. Kristyne McDaniel www.mcstyles.com www.shamrocktrails.com ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [OT] RE: Keeping American Programmers at Work
Virgil, That's why I'm willing to work for 500 per week and I have a wealth of knowledge/experience which kind of suprises me that nobody is willing to take advantage of it...!! If you can live on $500 per week then you really ought to go back to school. Student loans will cover the fees and a part time job will cover the living expenses. The school can even help with the job. With a degree under your belt it will be a lot easier to stay competitive. Kristyne McDaniel www.mcstyles.com www.shamrocktrails.com ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [OT] HyPower Develops Hydrogen Technology to Power Vehicle fromWATER!
Hal, Since nature abhors a vacuum, any time part of the atmosphere starts to suck, some other part of the atmosphere goes to relieve the suction. I think that's how Madigan came into being, actually. Kristyne McDaniel www.mcstyles.com www.shamrocktrails.com ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] microsoft_antipiracy_will_drive_people_to_linux
My wife and kids have taken to it with almost no training at all. My kids prefer it even. Kevin Cully CULLY Technologies, LLC Sponsor of Fox Forward 2006! http://foxforward.net MB Software Solutions wrote: I'd agree with that...most people are afraid of technology, or at least anything beyond simpleton level. ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [OT] HyPower Develops Hydrogen Technology to Power Vehicle fromWATER!
That's right. There was an intelligence vacuum, and and God sent me to Earth to fill the void. I guess you filled the angry dog-breeder void. LOL --- Kristyne McDaniel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hal, Since nature abhors a vacuum, any time part of the atmosphere starts to suck, some other part of the atmosphere goes to relieve the suction. I think that's how Madigan came into being, actually. Kristyne McDaniel www.mcstyles.com www.shamrocktrails.com ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious. Christmas gifts for Real Americans Free Shipping for orders over $50 http://www.cafepress.com/rightwingmike ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] microsoft_antipiracy_will_drive_people_to_linux
I remain dutifully ambiguous on the the subject of Santa. I do profess my unabashed belief that the Flying Spaghetti Monster is real, and that global warming is correlated to decline in the number of pirates in the world. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vL7FcvEydqgeurl Kevin Cully CULLY Technologies, LLC Sponsor of Fox Forward 2006! http://foxforward.net Ed Leafe wrote: Don't tell them that!! Let them keep their warm and fuzzy myth that Windows is easy and Linux is hard. I mean, you don't go around telling little kids about Santa, now do you? ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] microsoft_antipiracy_will_drive_people_to_linux
Don't tell them that!! Let them keep their warm and fuzzy myth that Windows is easy and Linux is hard. I mean, you don't go around telling little kids about Santa, now do you? What about Santa? Are you telling me he moved his entire operation to Linux and Dabo? To many myths being floated, so enquiring minds want to know. Rick White Light Computing, Inc. www.whitelightcomputing.com www.rickschummer.com 586.254.2530 - office 586.254.2539 - fax ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] microsoft_antipiracy_will_drive_people_to_linux
Santa has been dead since the Marx Bros found out there wasn't an sanity clause in their contract! John -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Schummer Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 3:51 PM To: profox@leafe.com Subject: RE: [NF] microsoft_antipiracy_will_drive_people_to_linux Don't tell them that!! Let them keep their warm and fuzzy myth that Windows is easy and Linux is hard. I mean, you don't go around telling little kids about Santa, now do you? What about Santa? Are you telling me he moved his entire operation to Linux and Dabo? To many myths being floated, so enquiring minds want to know. Rick White Light Computing, Inc. www.whitelightcomputing.com www.rickschummer.com 586.254.2530 - office 586.254.2539 - fax [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] microsoft_antipiracy_will_drive_people_to_linux
On Dec 15, 2006, at 4:51 PM, Rick Schummer wrote: What about Santa? Are you telling me he moved his entire operation to Linux and Dabo? To many myths being floated, so enquiring minds want to know. Santa is one of those non-techie types, so he's a Windows user. But the elves switched to Linux years ago. -- Ed Leafe -- http://leafe.com -- http://dabodev.com ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [OT] RE: Keeping American Programmers at Work
I incurred 2,000 dollars worth of college level work when I went back to work in arizona majoring in business administration with the idea of pursuing a mba from capella university. I had a really great job out there, but I reverse engineered a software package that the existing people said would take 5 years to learn in 90 days and so I had to give up on it for awhile. To make a long story short, had a great job with a great bunch of people working for assurant in scottsdale and I liked it, but it didn’t pay much. I even had to make the decision to bring in an offshore company to take over the day to day maintenance of the existing package. Just put that in so ya'll wouldn’t think I'm totally against offshore because I'm not. Anyway, a firm in austin tx called me up and offered more money and I would be home instead of living out of motels and so I took it. Turned out to be a sweatshop and I could have lived with that, but in 30 years of doing this stuff, you learn what works and what doesn’t and you learn to build safety and security and maintainability into software packages and we butted heads like two bulls in a china closet, so it wasn’t a good fit. I've been trying to get back into assurant, but I havent been able to do so. Virgil Bierschwale http://www.virgilslist.com http://www.tccutlery.com http://www.bierschwale.com http://www.bierschwalesolutions.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kristyne McDaniel Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 3:00 PM To: 'ProFox Email List' Subject: RE: [OT] RE: Keeping American Programmers at Work Virgil, Again, I hope that I'm wrong, but this is what the last 4 years experience has taught me and that's why I now believe that my lack of a degree has come back to haunt me. Not having a degree is definitely a problem when it comes to management jobs unless people know your work. There are so many folks with MBA's now that it is tougher for a guy that didn't spend the time and money to get at least the 4 year degree. I know it has been easier for me because I have a degree. Of course that's why I got one in the first place, though. Have you thought about going back to school? Maybe this is the right time to do that. Kristyne McDaniel www.mcstyles.com www.shamrocktrails.com [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] microsoft_antipiracy_will_drive_people_to_linux
Kids will pick it up fast and that’s why the next generation will do good with automation of all types. We have to remember that computers have really only started going mainstream since the mid to late 70's A lot of people in the work force are still scared of them, but the next generation will do marvelous stuff I do believe. Virgil Bierschwale http://www.virgilslist.com http://www.tccutlery.com http://www.bierschwale.com http://www.bierschwalesolutions.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Cully Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 3:15 PM To: profox@leafe.com Subject: Re: [NF] microsoft_antipiracy_will_drive_people_to_linux My wife and kids have taken to it with almost no training at all. My kids prefer it even. Kevin Cully CULLY Technologies, LLC Sponsor of Fox Forward 2006! http://foxforward.net MB Software Solutions wrote: I'd agree with that...most people are afraid of technology, or at least anything beyond simpleton level. [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] microsoft_antipiracy_will_drive_people_to_linux
Stephen Russell wrote: We all agree the M$'s good intentions of software working together got the worst of worst started with a bang. Agreed. It seems like those days are behind us. Better think again on that one, dude. Spyware, adware, malware, spambots, and anything else I didn't list is worse now than it has ever been -- for Windows users. It prayed (sic) on the stupidity of people getting passwords for porn sights (sic) back in 98 or 99? The bad guys still prey on the ignorance (and greed) of people. Then again, how can viewing an ad on a MySpace page which triggers a drive-by download and turns your computer into a spambot be considered stupidity on the part of the user? Internet Explorer just makes it too freaking E-A-S-Y for the bad guys. Since then people have wised up as so have vendors. Respectfully disagree on this one. When people call me because my computer is running slowly, 75% of them don't have updated anti-virus software and almost all of them have zero anti-spyware software. And as far as the vendors go, they are always at least one step behind the bad guys, and IMHO they always will be. When you consider that most of them make you pay, repeatedly, for annual subscriptions for updated definitions you suddenly realize they aren't really in the business of protecting people, they are just in business. Which is fine, if that's what you want to do, but there are plenty of free protection programs as well. As hackers look to Linux for targets will they be as easy to find? Heck no. Neither in the Win camp. Because we have all learned from past mistakes. Gotta disagree on this one, too. Hackers are good -- VERY GOOD -- at finding the holes. Some of us have learned from our mistakes, but *most* of the folks out there sending email and surfing the web have NO CLUE just how dangerous life online can be. Just my .02 Kevin ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
[OT] Mechanical heart breakthrough
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Re: [OT] HyPower Develops Hydrogen Technology to Power Vehicle fromWATER!
Kristyne McDaniel wrote: Hal, Since nature abhors a vacuum, any time part of the atmosphere starts to suck, some other part of the atmosphere goes to relieve the suction. I think that's how Madigan came into being, actually. Do you mean to say he's a sucker? Kristyne McDaniel www.mcstyles.com www.shamrocktrails.com [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] microsoft_antipiracy_will_drive_people_to_linux
Kevin Cully wrote: My wife and kids have taken to it with almost no training at all. My kids prefer it even. What...Linux? My daughter and wife didn't want anything to do with Open Office's Text Document program even though they only do simple word processing. They've exactly the kind with the M$ marketing hooks still in their cheeks. ;-) -- Michael J. Babcock, MCP MB Software Solutions, LLC http://mbsoftwaresolutions.com http://fabmate.com Work smarter, not harder, with MBSS custom software solutions! ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] microsoft_antipiracy_will_drive_people_to_linux
Stephen the Cook wrote: Ed Leafe wrote: Flaws exist. Yawn. I referred to those who have been burned by those flaws. Do you wanna cite some examples of companies being burned by Linux security flaws? The list of Microsoft flaws that have cost billions of dollars to companies is well known and documented (Melissa, anyone?), but I'd like to hear about those who have paid dearly for choosing Linux. According to my observations, the problem is also related to responsibility. Usually if a software manager chooses a 'not established' or 'no infrastructure' or 'no support contract' product, if the product does not work he'll pay dearly. OTOH if he chooses a well known 'big name' product and it does not work he can always pass the chip. We all agree the M$'s good intentions of software working together got the worst of worst started with a bang. It seems like those days are behind us. It prayed on the stupidity of people getting passwords for porn sights back in 98 or 99? Since then people have wised up as so have vendors. As hackers look to Linux for targets will they be as easy to find? Heck no. Neither in the Win camp. Because we have all learned from past mistakes. ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] microsoft_antipiracy_will_drive_people_to_linux
MB Software Solutions wrote: Virgil Bierschwale wrote: Like I said.. Most people can't program their vcr's... They surely can't work windows And linux is way past their interest level I'd agree with that...most people are afraid of technology, or at least anything beyond simpleton level. OTOH I always think about telephones... Have you ever noticed in old movies how complicated it was to place a call? Or to turn on old cars? And now it is really easy. I think that's because they are mature technologies. Maybe software is not yet mature? If someone uses the computer for finance, or writing a book, why should he bother himself with stuff not directly related to his interest? If you go buy some ice cream, should you know about refrigeration? Or should you be interested in it's price and it's quality? ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] microsoft_antipiracy_will_drive_people_to_linux
I'll agree with that. I've been saying for about 10 years that software will reach a point similar to hardware or building where everything is done on a blue print and signed off on before a single line of code is written. Virgil Bierschwale http://www.virgilslist.com http://www.tccutlery.com http://www.bierschwale.com http://www.bierschwalesolutions.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ricardo Aráoz Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 5:59 PM To: ProFox Email List Subject: Re: [NF] microsoft_antipiracy_will_drive_people_to_linux MB Software Solutions wrote: Virgil Bierschwale wrote: Like I said.. Most people can't program their vcr's... They surely can't work windows And linux is way past their interest level I'd agree with that...most people are afraid of technology, or at least anything beyond simpleton level. OTOH I always think about telephones... Have you ever noticed in old movies how complicated it was to place a call? Or to turn on old cars? And now it is really easy. I think that's because they are mature technologies. Maybe software is not yet mature? If someone uses the computer for finance, or writing a book, why should he bother himself with stuff not directly related to his interest? If you go buy some ice cream, should you know about refrigeration? Or should you be interested in it's price and it's quality? [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] microsoft_antipiracy_will_drive_people_to_linux
I love your posts, Stephen... You always operate from the assumption that every business that uses computers is built around the big corporate model. I always think in terms of the vast majority of clients I've had over the years -- small networks or single user machines easily administered. I suspect my group of clients represents more machines than yours but I may be wrong s Anyhow, it's always a hoot to read your posts, thanks for the laugh... :-) Stephen the Cook wrote: MB Software Solutions wrote: Ed Leafe wrote: On Dec 15, 2006, at 7:46 AM, Stephen Russell wrote: Certainly, lots of people have no love for product activation and Genuine Advantage validation. Some comments on last week's Vista activation crack post express the sentiments: read link for comments Customers have been abused by Microsoft for years in one form or another, and yet continue to send them their money. I doubt that this abuse will be any different. Until Linux desktop apps are prime time or rather, the main stream media/press starts supporting/promoting the usage of said apps, the Linux OS won't take over the Windows OS. About a month ago I had a good talk with a network admin who gave me a lot of reasons why porting over to Linux is so much harder then it sounds. Education of the admins is the largest hurdle for any company to overcome. Do you think that the employers would fund training, test machines and allow good testing for a cross over from Exchange to another product. Now start to list all the products that the company has to switch over. Seeing it from the larger POV where you might have to comply with STAR-BOX and or complying with a summons for all your email messages between these two dates because your company is suddenly in a lawsuit. This guy got an experiment to investigate a cost savings with Linux at a huge Financial company in Banking, Stocks and Real Estate. He found that in 2001-2002 the quality of product in the Linux camp as well as the cost of the software(s) and training of staff were much larger then expected. Stephen Russell DBA / .Net Developer Memphis TN 38115 901.246-0159 Our scientific power has outrun our spiritual power. We have guided missiles and misguided men. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. http://spaces.msn.com/members/srussell/ ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
