Re: [PEDA] question about protel hanging on Update PCB !!!

2002-09-25 Thread Back, Norb

Re: [PEDA] OT - Complex boards and time to Layout?

2002-09-25 Thread Tim Exley
Try http://www.dunneroberts.co.uk/allsites/gallery/images/big-top.jpg and http://www.dunneroberts.co.uk/allsites/gallery/images/big-bot.jpg Tim Exley -Original Message- From: Ian Middleton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, 26 September 2002 3:05 a.m. To: Protel EDA Forum

Re: [PEDA] OT - Complex boards and time to Layout?

2002-09-25 Thread Bagotronix Tech Support
Wow! I'm amazed that boards like that can be produced with any yield greater than zero. And that's just for the PCB. How about the part population process? There's gotta be at least one or two pin shorts or opens coming off the assembly line on a board that complex! With a board that

Re: [PEDA] Collecting / reassigning primatives in Gerbers etc.

2002-09-25 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 05:09 PM 9/24/2002 -0500, Jon Elson wrote: I don't think there is any automated way to do this, but it should not be a very difficult process, and should not take more than an hour even for a fairly complex board. That's pretty optimistic, I'd say wildly optimistic, having done quite a few

Re: [PEDA] Collecting / reassigning primatives in Gerbers etc.

2002-09-25 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 06:10 PM 9/24/2002 -0700, Tony Karavidas wrote: Dump primitives are just that: dumb. The tools have no idea they are vias, pads, etc. (except for that thing I mentioned at the top) If you're lucky, the vias and pads are different sizes, so you could search for the size of the vias, and select

[PEDA] New P99SE SP6 bug for the bug list.

2002-09-25 Thread Brad Velander
Hi Ian, just discovered this minor P99SE Sp6 bug today. Exporting a database to ACAD R13 DWG format (have no time to check other formats), if you have tented vias the exported file ignores the tenting and outputs soldermask voids for all vias. Sincerely, Brad Velander. Lead PCB Designer

Re: [PEDA] OT - Complex boards and time to Layout?

2002-09-25 Thread Jon Elson
Tim Exley wrote: Try http://www.dunneroberts.co.uk/allsites/gallery/images/big-top.jpg and http://www.dunneroberts.co.uk/allsites/gallery/images/big-bot.jpg WOW! I'm glad I didn't have to design (or pay for) that one! Vast numbers of big quad flat packs on BOTH sides! Jon * * * * * * *

Re: [PEDA] OT - Complex boards and time to Layout?

2002-09-25 Thread Jon Elson
Bagotronix Tech Support wrote: With a board that complex, your board vendor had better actually be doing electrical test, instead of just charging for it and not doing it... What? This is endemic in the industry? I've had to can several vendors for pulling this stunt. But, when they get

Re: [PEDA] Collecting / reassigning primatives in Gerbers etc.

2002-09-25 Thread Jon Elson
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: At 05:09 PM 9/24/2002 -0500, Jon Elson wrote: I don't think there is any automated way to do this, but it should not be a very difficult process, and should not take more than an hour even for a fairly complex board. That's pretty optimistic, I'd say wildly

Re: [PEDA] OT - Complex boards and time to Layout?

2002-09-25 Thread Dennis Saputelli
it has happened to me twice 2 different shops they charged for test setup, testing, but there were short all over some of them and they were only double sided Dennis Saputelli Jon Elson wrote: Bagotronix Tech Support wrote: With a board that complex, your board vendor had better actually

Re: [PEDA] OT - bd testing

2002-09-25 Thread Dennis Saputelli
so how does a 'flying probe' test really work? i understand the general idea of a couple of probes walking around the comparing connectivity to a 'netlist' made from the gerbers but it seems to me and i think i read somewhere that this is better at finding opens than shorts whereas the good

Re: [PEDA] OT - Complex boards and time to Layout?

2002-09-25 Thread Danny Bishop
funnily enough it never happened to me, I have never found a fault on my boards, and hence don't concern myself too much with the tests on basic double sided. -Original Message- From: Dennis Saputelli [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, 26 September 2002 9:54 AM To: Protel EDA

Re: [PEDA] Collecting / reassigning primatives in Gerbers etc.

2002-09-25 Thread Tony Karavidas
-Original Message- From: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 3:01 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] Collecting / reassigning primatives in Gerbers etc. At 06:10 PM 9/24/2002 -0700, Tony Karavidas wrote: Dump

Re: [PEDA] OT - Complex boards and time to Layout?

2002-09-25 Thread Tim Hutcheson
Thanks, Dennis. W/o naming names of the 'bad' guys, whose the good guy? Sincerely, Tim Hutcheson There are 10 kinds of people in the world; those that can read binary and those that can't. -- Anonymous -Original Message- From: Dennis

[PEDA] Simulation Function Block, PWLR

2002-09-25 Thread Thomas Josefsson
I am trying to use the piece-wise linear controlled source from the Simulation Function Block Sch.Lib to create a non-linear magnetic circuit model. As a start I hooked the PWLR to a previously verified circuit and got the following error message; U1 Error: PART TYPE attribute must be a value.

Re: [PEDA] Simulation Function Block, PWLR

2002-09-25 Thread Bevan Weiss
I'm pretty sure that the value that must be present in the part type field is the actual value of the component. Ie for an inductor, its inductance value etc. I might however be wrong on this (it wouldn't be a first). - Original Message - From: Thomas Josefsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To:

Re: [PEDA] OT - bd testing

2002-09-25 Thread Terry Harris
On Wed, 25 Sep 2002 16:58:42 -0700, Dennis Saputelli wrote: so how does a 'flying probe' test really work? i understand the general idea of a couple of probes walking around the comparing connectivity to a 'netlist' made from the gerbers but it seems to me and i think i read somewhere that