Re: [PEDA] Which library is used in UpdatePCB
Hi, I also think it works like Andrew describes, for instance as for my experience. I came across this behaviour already in version 2.8, when I was merging libraries from different developers. But, for normal working situations why not organise libraries in a way, that there are no different footprints with the same name in the PCB libraries? This avoids any unwanted effects of this kind from the very beginning. Regards, Gisbert Auge Jon Elson [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 16.07.2001 21:23:53 Please respond to Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject: Re: [PEDA] Which library is used in UpdatePCB Andrew Ircha wrote: You're close but not quite there. I was making modification in one library, hiting UpdatePCB (which presents as a button in the explorer panel), and instead of putting my new, freshly changed footprint into the open PCBs, it was taking a footprint with the same name *from a totally different library* and using that instead - it didn't appear to be taking other footprints. It was ignoring my hard work :-| Yes, I think it searches the names on all open libraries in order, and takes the first match of that name, whether it is the newly edited part or not. Definitely a poor way to do things. In so many other cases, if there is a question about which thing you intend to change, you get a dialog box to select the right one. This is why it is a good practice to open libraries, place the parts, and then close all the libraries, and make a project library from the placed parts. I think I'd understand Protel updating *all* open PCBs with my new changes, even if it isn't a great thing to do, but it wasn't even doing that. It was taking the altered footprint's name, and updating my open PCB with a footprint from another library which happened to have the same name. Nasty. Yes, at least this behavior should be thoroughly documented, and suitable warnings given that this can cause unexpected results. But, your hard work isn't lost. It is still in the library part that you modified. If you close the other libraries that have interfering part names, and do the update again, it will work right. Jon * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * - or email - * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=leave%20proteledaforum * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Which library is used in UpdatePCB
Gisbert Auge Wrote: But for normal working situations why not organise libraries in a way, that there are no different footprints with the same name in the PCB libraries? This avoids any unwanted effects of this kind from the very beginning. In theory very nice but the practical situation is sometimes different My sheet symbols have some 'default' footprints, this makes schematic drawing easy. If I place a 74HCT00 device I have two 'default' footprint fields 'DIP14' and 'SO14'. A lot of other stuff is also using the same footprint. Suppose that I change something in the PCB footprint then I have two options. -1- Save the changed footprint to another name and all the default footprint names in the schematic symbols are useless. -2- Change the component without changing the name, and live with the fact that there is a possibility to have two different components with the same name in the library cache. If the footprint is changed because there is a real problem with the old version, wrong dimensions or something, then I don't like option 1. It means that the wrong footprint is still available. Even if you delete it from the library then it might pop up from an old design and getting into the cache. There is an item in the knowledge base at www.protel.com Protel Knowledge Base Item ID: 1934 How does the component cache in Protel 99's schematic editor differ from previous versions? In Protel 99 all the component attributes' are compared as the components are being added to the cache, including the component name, graphic and text fields. If the components are not identical in every detail then both are included in the cache. This behavior means that in Protel 99 two components on a sheet can have the same name, but have different graphic and/or text attributes. It would be nice if Protel could give a warning if this situation occurs. It is not always a problem but I want to be aware of it when it happens. It would be even nicer if there is also an option to compare the internal cache and the library files. Suppose that I add some details to the silkscreen of a footprint to make it look nicer. Such a change is not critical for a design. I don't want to make changes in 'old' designs, but if I make a revision then I want to 'update' the 'old' footprint to the new 'nice-looking' one. If Protel could give a report option to compare the cache against the library, after loading a design, then it could point us the components which have the same name but are not completely identical. [Dream mode on] Load a file into Protel Start 'report library component compare' Protel reports: library component 'X' found # times. Version 1.5 and Version 1.6 Do you want to show them in overlay mode and highlight differences? After checking the differences, choose 'Update all instances to new version' or 'Update selection to new version' or 'Cancel' [Dream mode off] Aalt Lokhorst (e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]) address: Schut Geometrische Meettechniek bv Duinkerkenstraat 21 9723 BN Groningen, The Netherlands tel. +31 50-5877877 fax. +31 50-5877899 - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2001 10:04 AM Subject: Re: [PEDA] Which library is used in UpdatePCB * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * - or email - * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=leave%20proteledaforum * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Potentiometer query?
[PEDA] Bug when opening Protel
Hi, I just noticed a bug which was new to me so far. If you open Protel and click on the little minimize window button in the upper right window corner while the files are loading, and then renew the normal window size some time later, the entrance picture Design Explorer 99 SE does not close, although the database has been opened in the background. No way to make it disappear. You have to close the application completely and start it anew (and keep the window open during file loading time). Not really serious, but a bug. Regards, Gisbert Auge * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * - or email - * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=leave%20proteledaforum * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Bug when opening Protel
On 02:40 PM 17/07/2001 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Hi, I just noticed a bug which was new to me so far. If you open Protel and click on the little minimize window button in the upper right window corner while the files are loading, and then renew the normal window size some time later, the entrance picture Design Explorer 99 SE does not close, although the database has been opened in the background. No way to make it disappear. You have to close the application completely and start it anew (and keep the window open during file loading time). Not really serious, but a bug. Regards, Gisbert Auge So that how this happens! - I have seen it a couple of times and wondered what the sequence is. Makes sense - since Protel can take a long time to start I would often minimize it and do something else while all the documents re-open. I think I will add this to the bug database as it is irritating and it is good to know what the cause is. Thanks, Ian Wilson * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * - or email - * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=leave%20proteledaforum * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Potentiometer query?
HI To fix the value of the wiper, you must set the 'SET' parameter ( partFeild) with a value include between 0 and 1. 0= 0% 0.5 = 50% 1= 100% Regards Eric -Message d'origine- De: Richard Thompson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Date: mardi 17 juillet 2001 15:21 À: Protel EDA Forum Objet: [PEDA] Potentiometer query? Hi people, Sorry to repost this again, but the silence was unbearable :-) Can anyone help / PLEASE? Does anyone know how i can adjust the wiper position of a potentiometer in the stepped value section of the simulator on Protel 99SE SP6. i can only see options for stepping the actual value (pot total resistance) Also can anyone point me to a formula or link to a spice model for a logarithmic scale potentiometer for use within the simulator on protel 99se sp6? ie. so that if i specify the wiper at 50% the resistance is not 50/50 but log law. Are there any addons available for the simulator that will allow a dxf or similar output of curves? it seems dumb that this cannot be done as default (or is it just me?) Help much appreciated Rich Richard Thompson BLT Industries * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * - or email - * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=leave%20proteledaforum * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Bug when opening Protel
Re: [PEDA] Bug when opening Protel
I can also confirm this bug (Win NT4.0, 2000 Protel SP6) Cliff Lawrence -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 17 July 2001 13:40 To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: [PEDA] Bug when opening Protel Hi, I just noticed a bug which was new to me so far. If you open Protel and click on the little minimize window button in the upper right window corner while the files are loading, and then renew the normal window size some time later, the entrance picture Design Explorer 99 SE does not close, although the database has been opened in the background. No way to make it disappear. You have to close the application completely and start it anew (and keep the window open during file loading time). Not really serious, but a bug. Regards, Gisbert Auge * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * - or email - * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=leave%20proteledaforum * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] synchronizer question
Hi Listers, I'm a newbie to Protel. Over the years I've worked with PCAD, Tango, PADS, but Protel 99SE is definitely a big learning curve for me, so I apologize if this is a dumb question. Given that: a) I have a new PCB with final placement of footprints whose ref designators I wish to retain, b) some footprints specified in the schematic are not in the PCB but are in a project library local to the DDB, c) the PCB contains some footprints whose designators are don't care, i.e. OK to change with Update PCB... d) all schematic parts currently have ? designators Is there an automated way to getting the two in sync, with the schematic as the controlling document? Or should I just manually edit the PCB? I've never seen ANY automated (re)annotation work 100%, and judging by some of the list traffic it looks like Protel isn't all that either. Sorry to knock it, but I am automatically skeptical when I see broad subjective claims like powerful synchronizer. Darryl Newberry Hardware Engineer Blazie, a division of Freedom Scientific, Inc 2850 SE Market Pl #3 Stuart, FL 34997 (561) 223 6443 x2015 tel (561) 223 6413 fax http://www.freedomscientific.com/ * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * - or email - * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=leave%20proteledaforum * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
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Re: [PEDA] Bug when opening Protel
I see it too: Windows 2000, SP2 on an AMD 900MHz system with a Geforce2MX card. Tony Hi, I just noticed a bug which was new to me so far. If you open Protel and click on the little minimize window button in the upper right window corner while the files are loading, and then renew the normal window size some time later, the entrance picture Design Explorer 99 SE does not close, although the database has been opened in the background. No way to make it disappear. You have to close the application completely and start it anew (and keep the window open during file loading time). Not really serious, but a bug. Regards, Gisbert Auge * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * - or email - * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=leave%20proteledaforum * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Bug when opening Protel
Hi In the Client99SE.ini under system preferences is a line called DisplaySplashScreen=True. Just change true to false and there will be no splash screen anymore. Enjoy Konrad - Original Message - From: Tony Karavidas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 17 July, 2001 11:30 AM Subject: Re: [PEDA] Bug when opening Protel I see it too: Windows 2000, SP2 on an AMD 900MHz system with a Geforce2MX card. Tony Hi, I just noticed a bug which was new to me so far. If you open Protel and click on the little minimize window button in the upper right window corner while the files are loading, and then renew the normal window size some time later, the entrance picture Design Explorer 99 SE does not close, although the database has been opened in the background. No way to make it disappear. You have to close the application completely and start it anew (and keep the window open during file loading time). Not really serious, but a bug. Regards, Gisbert Auge * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * - or email - * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=leave%20proteledaforum * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] synchronizer question
At 01:05 PM 7/17/01 -0400, Darryl Newberry wrote: Given that: a) I have a new PCB with final placement of footprints whose ref designators I wish to retain, b) some footprints specified in the schematic are not in the PCB but are in a project library local to the DDB, c) the PCB contains some footprints whose designators are don't care, i.e. OK to change with Update PCB... d) all schematic parts currently have ? designators For starters, this is a fairly confused mess. Lack of synchronization between schematic and PCB as to footprint assignments is fairly common for designers who select or change footprints from within PCB, but without reference designator correspondence between PCB and Schematic you really have two distinct documents with no links. *Maybe* if at one point the PCB and Schematic were synchronized, and thus the hidden links are present, the Sychronizer might be able to recover the connections. There is no such thing, as far as I know, as a don't care PCB reference designator, i.e., no equivalent to the ? in schematic. Update will change any reference designators that have been changed on the schematic. If they first went to ? before being changed, I don't know what happens. It may work, the links may survive that, but I have not verified it. Is there an automated way to getting the two in sync, with the schematic as the controlling document? Or should I just manually edit the PCB? Unless the PCB and Schematic are synchronized through the hidden links mentioned, there is no automatic way. In a similar position in the past with another program that was netlist-driven, as I described before, I was able to use positional information from a previous revision of the schematic to recover the original schematic reference designators, but that was not a simple process, I had to write utilities to do it. So,if the hidden links are not there, what I would probably do is, first, manually edit the schematic so that it has the reference designators I want to keep. Then I would annotate the schematic to fix the rest of the reference designators, and then I would manually edit the rest of the parts on the PCB. On the other hand, if the links are there, one would not have to do the manual edit on the PCB, if I am being correctly informed. I haven't run into this problem lately myself. I've never seen ANY automated (re)annotation work 100%, and judging by some of the list traffic it looks like Protel isn't all that either. Sorry to knock it, but I am automatically skeptical when I see broad subjective claims like powerful synchronizer. The Synchronizer is indeed a powerful tool, but it has to have something to work with. There is a process, when first synchronizing, to match schematic and PCB parts, and that may be a help. But it may be easier to just use manual edits. Once the reference designators match then you can work on the footprints. I don't have the process in mind at the moment to take manually picked footprints back to the schematic, if that is what you want to do. You don't have to do this, but it can make later work simpler. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Abdulrahman Lomax P.O. Box 690 El Verano, CA 95433 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * - or email - * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=leave%20proteledaforum * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Bug when opening Protel
At 11:36 AM 7/17/01 -0700, Konrad Iten wrote: In the Client99SE.ini under system preferences is a line called DisplaySplashScreen=True. Just change true to false and there will be no splash screen anymore. I too had been afflicted by this annoying little bug and had not noticed the conditions under which it bites; it was easy enough, if irritating, to close down Protel and restart it. Mr Iten's fix is much appreciated. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Abdulrahman Lomax P.O. Box 690 El Verano, CA 95433 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * - or email - * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=leave%20proteledaforum * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Bug when opening Protel
Well that's cool. But it's no excuse for the problem. It is a handy temporary fix however! :) Thanks!! Tony -Original Message- From: Konrad Iten [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2001 11:37 AM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] Bug when opening Protel Hi In the Client99SE.ini under system preferences is a line called DisplaySplashScreen=True. Just change true to false and there will be no splash screen anymore. Enjoy Konrad - Original Message - From: Tony Karavidas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 17 July, 2001 11:30 AM Subject: Re: [PEDA] Bug when opening Protel I see it too: Windows 2000, SP2 on an AMD 900MHz system with a Geforce2MX card. Tony Hi, I just noticed a bug which was new to me so far. If you open Protel and click on the little minimize window button in the upper right window corner while the files are loading, and then renew the normal window size some time later, the entrance picture Design Explorer 99 SE does not close, although the database has been opened in the background. No way to make it disappear. You have to close the application completely and start it anew (and keep the window open during file loading time). Not really serious, but a bug. Regards, Gisbert Auge * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * - or email - * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=leave%20proteledaforum * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Bug when opening Protel
This is great! This problem has been around since Protel 98. I always was careful to wait until the splash goes away before minimizing - but this is better! -Original Message- From: Konrad Iten [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2001 11:37 AM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] Bug when opening Protel Hi In the Client99SE.ini under system preferences is a line called DisplaySplashScreen=True. Just change true to false and there will be no splash screen anymore. Enjoy Konrad * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * - or email - * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=leave%20proteledaforum * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Bug when opening Protel
Hmm, it seems everybody has such an entry in the ini file. I haven't. But I have the splash screen, so the default setting seems to be true. In with section of the ini file has this line to be? Edi PS: I've looked in the client99se.ini in the winnt directory. At 12:41 17.07.01 -0700, you wrote: This is great! This problem has been around since Protel 98. I always was careful to wait until the splash goes away before minimizing - but this is better! -Original Message- From: Konrad Iten [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2001 11:37 AM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] Bug when opening Protel Hi In the Client99SE.ini under system preferences is a line called DisplaySplashScreen=True. Just change true to false and there will be no splash screen anymore. Enjoy Konrad * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * - or email - * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=leave%20proteledaforum * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] BOM generation with part numbers
Afshin, I looked into this problem a few years ago and couldn't find a reasonable, clean method of doing this type of filtering. After migrating from one CAD system to another, more than once, we decided a better approach was to manage the part numbers and data in an external database and look to what was needed to integrate this data with Protel. At least then our data remains independent of what CAD software your using. Let's face it most people have external methods of managing their data anyway. Most often, it is maintained in spreadsheets. I have had great success with our newer approach for the last couple of years. This includes a lot of varied designs including through hole, surface mount and mixed technologies. I'd rather not mention particular products on the forum but you can contact me offline at [EMAIL PROTECTED], for further information if you like. At 02:16 PM 17/07/2001 -0700, you wrote: Hello all, I would like to have protel alter its BOM output from the schematic editor depending on what footprint I have selected for a part. I have company part numbers in two of the eight fields that are read only. If I select a Surface Mount footprint I would like it to use the second part number when generating the BOM and if I select a DIP part I would like it to use the first part number. From the BOM menu I do not see an option for any kind of parsing. Has anyone done this and is there a better way of managing parts so that a BOM can be easily created from the output? I created a library for the values of resistors we have to aid in the output of a near complete BOM but I would rather not have a surface mount AND through hole library. Afshin Salehi DPS Telecom Regards, Colin Weber * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * - or email - * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=leave%20proteledaforum * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Bug when opening Protel
Gruezi Edi It's under System Preferences and it's the last line. Don't why you don't have it. I'm running WinME. Konrad - Original Message - From: Edi Im Hof [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 17 July, 2001 2:04 PM Subject: Re: [PEDA] Bug when opening Protel Hmm, it seems everybody has such an entry in the ini file. I haven't. But I have the splash screen, so the default setting seems to be true. In with section of the ini file has this line to be? Edi PS: I've looked in the client99se.ini in the winnt directory. At 12:41 17.07.01 -0700, you wrote: This is great! This problem has been around since Protel 98. I always was careful to wait until the splash goes away before minimizing - but this is better! -Original Message- From: Konrad Iten [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2001 11:37 AM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] Bug when opening Protel Hi In the Client99SE.ini under system preferences is a line called DisplaySplashScreen=True. Just change true to false and there will be no splash screen anymore. Enjoy Konrad * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * - or email - * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=leave%20proteledaforum * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] synchronizer question
On 11:44 AM 17/07/2001 -0700, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax said: ..SNIP.. I've never seen ANY automated (re)annotation work 100%, and judging by some of the list traffic it looks like Protel isn't all that either. Sorry to knock it, but I am automatically skeptical when I see broad subjective claims like powerful synchronizer. The Synchronizer is indeed a powerful tool, but it has to have something to work with. There is a process, when first synchronizing, to match schematic and PCB parts, and that may be a help. But it may be easier to just use manual edits. Thinking about what you wrote here, Abdulrahman, I though that the manual process you mentioned may in fact be easiest done in the grid-based component match dialog that pops up when an unsynch'ed Sch/PCB pair are first synch'ed. If the user is having to go about editing designators to match by massed of double clicking and panning - this might be easier done in the grid-based component match dialog. Remember that during this manual matching process the designators do not have to match - it is only the initially offered suggestion of the synchronizer - you are free to change any initial matches. By having printouts of the Sch and PCB - it will be easy to go manually make the match between Sch and PCB - I would suggest that if the Sch is the most correct then start with Update PCB from the Sch editor. Once this is done then macros will be generated that will consist of lots of designator/footprint and comment changes - if the PCB has the correct footprints, you can turn off the generation of footprint change macros by de-checking the relevant check box. Make sure you Preview Changes in the synchronizer so you see all the macros that are generated. You can then delete those macros that you do not want. Running the process back the other way (Update Sch) will help get the footprints correct in the Sch. Make sure you Preview Changes and this time check the update footprints check box. Note that the initial suggested match is done by designator - if, in the component match dialog you see an initial (suggested) list of matched components (on the right grid) - this will have been done by designator. You can unmatch any of these you wish and re-match as required. By using the sycnchronizer you will be able to match dissimilar designators it a simple fashion (through the hidden handles). Once this is done the mechanics of synching designators, comments and footprints is simple enough. If you have a Sch/PCB pair with poor and incorrect matching between the hidden Synch handles this can be cleared by selecting all of the PCB (Select-All, making sure all layers are on) and copying and pasting to a new PCB file. then run the Sch Update PCB process against the copied PCB. I would suggest you make a reliable backup copy of all files and the DDB before embarking on any of the above - at least until you are familiar with the process (and if I was faced with the above situation, I would backup everything before, even though I am quite familiar with the synch'er). Once the reference designators match then you can work on the footprints. I don't have the process in mind at the moment to take manually picked footprints back to the schematic, if that is what you want to do. You don't have to do this, but it can make later work simpler. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Abdulrahman Lomax I think I would agree with an (implied) suggestion from Abdulrahman that your work practice could be modified and save yourself a lot of pain. If you keep the Sch and PCB synch'ed throughout the design, I think you will find the design flow much better. If you use the Synchronizer it is important that you make the component matches correctly - the is initially done by designator. Ian Wilson * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * - or email - * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=leave%20proteledaforum * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] Another problem when Protel starts
Is there any way to get the design windows to open maximized? At the moment if you open a PCB or schematic the scroll bars are not on the screen. I have to drag the window across enough to find the maximize button and then the scroll bars fit on the screen. David Chambers * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * - or email - * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=leave%20proteledaforum * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] BOM generation with part numbers
I confess that I gave up on Protel's BOM generation a while back. Now, I use the ExportSchematicToDatabase process to generate a DBF file (exporting all fields related to PARTs). I then open the DBF in Excel then save as an Excel workbook. I do this because I've had problems with getting MS Access to open a Protel generated DBF reliably - I don't know whether it's Protel's or Access' fault (and I don't care, since I have a method that works with the saved XLS workbook). I have an Access database with the required parsing queries and a suitable report format. All I do is link to the XLS file then hit the report generator. Finally, I print the report to a PDF - done! A bit long winded, perhaps - but I can generate any report in whatever format I need by creating new queries and making a report template to suit. Cheers, John Haddy -Original Message- From: Colin Weber [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, 18 July 2001 8:01 AM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] BOM generation with part numbers Afshin, I looked into this problem a few years ago and couldn't find a reasonable, clean method of doing this type of filtering. After migrating from one CAD system to another, more than once, we decided a better approach was to manage the part numbers and data in an external database and look to what was needed to integrate this data with Protel. At least then our data remains independent of what CAD software your using. Let's face it most people have external methods of managing their data anyway. Most often, it is maintained in spreadsheets. I have had great success with our newer approach for the last couple of years. This includes a lot of varied designs including through hole, surface mount and mixed technologies. I'd rather not mention particular products on the forum but you can contact me offline at [EMAIL PROTECTED], for further information if you like. At 02:16 PM 17/07/2001 -0700, you wrote: Hello all, I would like to have protel alter its BOM output from the schematic editor depending on what footprint I have selected for a part. I have company part numbers in two of the eight fields that are read only. If I select a Surface Mount footprint I would like it to use the second part number when generating the BOM and if I select a DIP part I would like it to use the first part number. From the BOM menu I do not see an option for any kind of parsing. Has anyone done this and is there a better way of managing parts so that a BOM can be easily created from the output? I created a library for the values of resistors we have to aid in the output of a near complete BOM but I would rather not have a surface mount AND through hole library. Afshin Salehi DPS Telecom Regards, Colin Weber * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * - or email - * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=leave%20proteledaforum * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] Invisible Components On PCB
Hello. I'm running Design Explorer 99 Spack 6. I don't make many boards. It seems that every time I create a new PCB from a schematic one component gets placed with the text information way away from the footprint. The text information is not visible. I know it's there because when I do a zoom all the pcb is much smaller than it should be and the size is determined by where the invisible text is placed. In the past I have overcome this by selecting inside an area and selecting everything I can see. Then what's left unselected is the offending component. Now I have a board where this doesn't work. I know there must be something out there because when I do a Zoom All I get an area much bigger than the PCB. When I do a report on the board stats I also get a much bigger board than I can see. Can anyone tell me how to resolve this problem? Will it get made into a PCB if I get it manufactured? Paul Gaastra email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Technology Development Group, Hort Research Private Bag 3123phone +64 7 8584745 Hamilton, NEW ZEALAND fax +64 7 8584705 __ The contents of this e-mail are privileged and/or confidential to the named recipient and are not to be used by any other person and/or organisation. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender and delete all material pertaining to this e-mail. __ * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * - or email - * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=leave%20proteledaforum * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] Complex Selection
I am trying to move a set of components as a complex selection. How can I chose a pad of one of the component for my anchor point during the move? I would like to do this so all component pin 1's stay on grid. I get a box around the selection and my anchor point for the move is the bottom left corner of the box, thus my components end up being moved off grid. Any help would be appreciated. Kirk Haderlie Design Engineer Vivid Image Technology [EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * - or email - * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=leave%20proteledaforum * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Invisible Components On PCB
Hi Paul Try a global change on all designators and comments to set the autoposition (in both designator and comments sections) to something other than manual. I struck this problem early on - it only affects hidden designators and comments with autoposition set to manual. I have set my default autoposition to centre and no longer have this problem. HTH. Brendon. - Original Message - From: Paul Gaastra [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 11:59 AM Subject: [PEDA] Invisible Components On PCB Hello. I'm running Design Explorer 99 Spack 6. I don't make many boards. It seems that every time I create a new PCB from a schematic one component gets placed with the text information way away from the footprint. The text information is not visible. I know it's there because when I do a zoom all the pcb is much smaller than it should be and the size is determined by where the invisible text is placed. In the past I have overcome this by selecting inside an area and selecting everything I can see. Then what's left unselected is the offending component. Now I have a board where this doesn't work. I know there must be something out there because when I do a Zoom All I get an area much bigger than the PCB. When I do a report on the board stats I also get a much bigger board than I can see. Can anyone tell me how to resolve this problem? Will it get made into a PCB if I get it manufactured? Paul Gaastra email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Technology Development Group, Hort Research Private Bag 3123phone +64 7 8584745 Hamilton, NEW ZEALAND fax +64 7 8584705 __ The contents of this e-mail are privileged and/or confidential to the named recipient and are not to be used by any other person and/or organisation. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender and delete all material pertaining to this e-mail. __ * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * - or email - * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=leave%20proteledaforum * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Complex Selection
Move Selection should ask for a reference point. Click in the center of the required pad. -Original Message- From: Kirk Haderlie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, 18 July 2001 10:40 AM To: Protel EDA Forum (E-mail) Subject: [PEDA] Complex Selection I am trying to move a set of components as a complex selection. How can I chose a pad of one of the component for my anchor point during the move? I would like to do this so all component pin 1's stay on grid. I get a box around the selection and my anchor point for the move is the bottom left corner of the box, thus my components end up being moved off grid. Any help would be appreciated. Kirk Haderlie Design Engineer Vivid Image Technology [EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * - or email - * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=leave%20proteledaforum * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Complex Selection
SP6? elec snap on? sometimes I reckon the amounts first and point in space somewhere for the ref point and make the move you can also use a transparent Jump to location and type in the second point Dennis Saputelli Kirk Haderlie wrote: I am trying to move a set of components as a complex selection. How can I chose a pad of one of the component for my anchor point during the move? I would like to do this so all component pin 1's stay on grid. I get a box around the selection and my anchor point for the move is the bottom left corner of the box, thus my components end up being moved off grid. Any help would be appreciated. Kirk Haderlie Design Engineer Vivid Image Technology [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ___ www.integratedcontrolsinc.comIntegrated Controls, Inc. tel: 415-647-04802851 21st Street fax: 415-647-3003San Francisco, CA 94110 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * - or email - * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=leave%20proteledaforum * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Complex Selection
Kirk, what ServicePack version are you running? If I recall correctly, there was a feature/bug whereby the anchor/reference point for moving selections was the BL corner of the selection box - and this was not negotiable, nor on any particular grid. I think this was rectified in SP5, but definitely SP6. As Thomas mentioned, when you Move | Selection, it should ask you for a reference point. When you select pin1, it may sometimes be beneficial to have SnapToCenter enabled ( Tools | Preferences | Options) Cheers Brendon. - Original Message - From: Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Protel EDA Forum' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 1:11 PM Subject: Re: [PEDA] Complex Selection Move Selection should ask for a reference point. Click in the center of the required pad. -Original Message- From: Kirk Haderlie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, 18 July 2001 10:40 AM To: Protel EDA Forum (E-mail) Subject: [PEDA] Complex Selection I am trying to move a set of components as a complex selection. How can I chose a pad of one of the component for my anchor point during the move? I would like to do this so all component pin 1's stay on grid. I get a box around the selection and my anchor point for the move is the bottom left corner of the box, thus my components end up being moved off grid. Any help would be appreciated. Kirk Haderlie Design Engineer Vivid Image Technology [EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * - or email - * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=leave%20proteledaforum * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Another problem when Protel starts
In a message dated 7/17/2001 7:29:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Is there any way to get the design windows to open maximized? I just tile window and save the ddb file * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * - or email - * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=leave%20proteledaforum * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
