[PEDA] Protel vs Electronic Workbench vs PADS
Hi everybody, In my department we are going to buy an ECAD software to support several projects that require from only simulations to full level board design up to using FPGA. I have use Protel before and I think it's an excellent design platform. My boss wants me to recommend between Protel and EW, and I found that EW is still a young platform and lacks several Protel's features. However, I may be blind since I used Protel extensively before, so I would like someone else's opinion about that decision. I was also considering PADS, which seems to have good features that protel lacks, but I don't know if its cost is way beyond Protel's. I appreciate any comments about these programs. Thanks in advance, Geoffrey * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] NetMeeting
Hello all, Has anybody tried sharing Protel 99SE over NetMeeting? We are trying to do it my company, so that anybody logged into the meeting can see the design, but NetMeeting does not seem to like Protel. Once I have NetMeeting engaged, I can only do the most basic functions in Protel, like zooming, flicking between sheets. Anything more causes a major crash in Protel, sometimes requiring a reboot to recover. Has anybody see or heard of this before? Mike. Michael Binning (Applications Engineer) Zarlink Semiconductor Cheney Manor Ind. Est. Swindon Wiltshire SN2 2QW Tel. 0/+44 1793-518234 Fax. 0/+44 1793-518012 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.zarlink.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] NetMeeting
I have not tried net meeting, but timbuktu used to crash pretty easily. They both work as video drivers I assume, and PROTEL does seem to be pretty hard on video drivers. Not a lot of help for your problem, other than doubts about its feasability. Mike - Original Message - From: Michael Binning [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 8:27 AM Subject: [PEDA] NetMeeting Hello all, Has anybody tried sharing Protel 99SE over NetMeeting? We are trying to do it my company, so that anybody logged into the meeting can see the design, but NetMeeting does not seem to like Protel. Once I have NetMeeting engaged, I can only do the most basic functions in Protel, like zooming, flicking between sheets. Anything more causes a major crash in Protel, sometimes requiring a reboot to recover. Has anybody see or heard of this before? Mike. Michael Binning (Applications Engineer) Zarlink Semiconductor Cheney Manor Ind. Est. Swindon Wiltshire SN2 2QW Tel. 0/+44 1793-518234 Fax. 0/+44 1793-518012 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.zarlink.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Protel vs Electronic Workbench vs PADS
Yes, I refer the PAD and eletronic workbench. PAD for board layout EB for simulation. -Original Message- From: Chacon Simon, Geoffrey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 7:38 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [PEDA] Protel vs Electronic Workbench vs PADS Hi everybody, In my department we are going to buy an ECAD software to support several projects that require from only simulations to full level board design up to using FPGA. I have use Protel before and I think it's an excellent design platform. My boss wants me to recommend between Protel and EW, and I found that EW is still a young platform and lacks several Protel's features. However, I may be blind since I used Protel extensively before, so I would like someone else's opinion about that decision. I was also considering PADS, which seems to have good features that protel lacks, but I don't know if its cost is way beyond Protel's. I appreciate any comments about these programs. Thanks in advance, Geoffrey * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] PCB Routing GND
Brad, 1. If you have an external ground plane make sure that you have the Lock All Pre-routes checked. 2. If you have an internal ground plane, did you tie the plane to your ground net in the layer stack manager? Regards, Steve Smith, C.I.D. Product Engineer Staco Energy Products Co. Web Site: www.stacoenergy.com www.stacopower.com -Original Message- From: Website Visitor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 3:16 AM To: proteledaforum Subject: [PEDA] PCB Routing GND I have not found a way yet to disable, or stop, Protel from routing GND traces. I have a GND plane and all of the components are connected to it via thermals. However, when ever I use the AutoRouter the program begins routing GND traces. I have created classes that have all the signals and trace widths associated with them but this did not help. I have disabled the system board routing layer and only enabled mine. But again that did not help. How do I stop Protel from routing GND traces when I have a GND layer that the components are already connected too? Please respond via the following email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks in advance, Brad Posted from Association web site by: Brad Epperson * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] PCB Routing GND
I have not found a way yet to disable, or stop, Protel from routing GND traces. I have a GND plane and all of the components are connected to it via thermals. However, when ever I use the AutoRouter the program begins routing GND traces. I have created classes that have all the signals and trace widths associated with them but this did not help. I have disabled the system board routing layer and only enabled mine. But again that did not help. How do I stop Protel from routing GND traces when I have a GND layer that the components are already connected too? Please respond via the following email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks in advance, Brad Posted from Association web site by: Brad Epperson * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] How to place non-plated thru holes?
Hello -- I was directed to this group as the place where most Protel experts hung out. I am a newbie to Protel and am using Protel99 SE for PCB layout. My question is simple: I want to place a non-plated through hole on my design. I want to void out the plane layers around the hole also. How do I do it? It appears that I can either place a pad or a via, but neither is really a through hole, and it's not obvious (to me, at least) that they will correctly void out the plane layer. Thanks in advance for your wisdom, Stuart Posted from Association web site by: Stuart Brorson * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] How to place non-plated thru holes?
Stuart, Place a Pad where you want the hole. I make the pad about 5 mils smaller that the hole size I want. Double click on the pad the go to the Advanced tab and uncheck Plated. Under Properties you can select your pad hole size. In the design rules under Power Plane Clearance set a rule for that pad size that will give you the plane clearance that you want. Regards, Steve Smith, C.I.D. Product Engineer Staco Energy Products Co. Web Site: www.stacoenergy.com www.stacopower.com -Original Message- From: Website Visitor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 5:06 AM To: proteledaforum Subject: [PEDA] How to place non-plated thru holes? Hello -- I was directed to this group as the place where most Protel experts hung out. I am a newbie to Protel and am using Protel99 SE for PCB layout. My question is simple: I want to place a non-plated through hole on my design. I want to void out the plane layers around the hole also. How do I do it? It appears that I can either place a pad or a via, but neither is really a through hole, and it's not obvious (to me, at least) that they will correctly void out the plane layer. Thanks in advance for your wisdom, Stuart Posted from Association web site by: Stuart Brorson * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] How to place non-plated thru holes?
Place a multilayer thru-hole pad with the hole size you want. Edit the pad such that the pad is smaller than the hole, and uncheck the plated box on the advanced tab. Making the pad smaller than the hole causes the drilling operation to wipe out all copper from the hole on internal signal layers. The plane clearance is based on the hole size, and is determined by the design rules you set for the board, region, component, etc. under the menu DesignRulesManufacturingPower Plane Clearance. Include notes on your drill drawing to tell the fab what the +/- tolerances are for the holes. At 02:05 AM 10/30/03, you wrote: My question is simple: I want to place a non-plated through hole on my design. I want to void out the plane layers around the hole also. How do I do it? It appears that I can either place a pad or a via, but neither is really a through hole, and it's not obvious (to me, at least) that they will correctly void out the plane layer. Posted from Association web site by: Stuart Brorson snip * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Exporting Classes?
Thanks Denis, I do know about exporting design rules, but since many of these rules are class specific then they're irrelevant unless we can also provide class membership info. The export effort is to transfer the IP of an integrated circuit tester loadboard. This is a 24 layer, nearly 0.25 thick, approx. 18 inch diameter board which attaches to a chip tester and feed handler. The contractor will be making a modified (simpler) version of this loadboard in their own CAD system. Most of the design intent is captured in the design rules, which makes this aspect critical to the transfer exercise. We're talking about a design with probably two to three hundred net classes, twenty or more component classes and about a thousand design rules (many combinations of net + component + layer rules). Running a full DRC takes days! John Haddy -Original Message- From: Dennis Saputelli [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, 30 October 2003 12:36 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] Exporting Classes? not that i can see, EXCEPT if you save as ascii PCB here is a snip from a simple bd at bottom can you explain more what they are trying to do? recreate in another system? i assume you are aware that you *can* export the design rules to a file Dennis Saputelli |RECORD=Class|NAME=MTGHOLES|KIND=9|SUPERCLASS=FALSE|M0=MT7|M1= MT6|M2=MT5|M3=MT4|M4=MT3|M5=MT2|M6=MT1|M7=MT8|M8=MT1|SELECTED=FALSE |RECORD=Class|NAME=SMALLCONSM|KIND=9|SUPERCLASS=FALSE|M0=J20|M 1=J2|M2=J1|M3=J4|M4=J3|M5=J6|M6=J5|M7=J8|M8=J7|M9=J100|SELECTED=FALSE |RECORD=Class|NAME=8MILOK|KIND=8|SUPERCLASS=FALSE|M0=LLE1|M1=L LE4|M2=LSC1|M3=LSC4|M4=LSD1|M5=LSD4|M6=SWS1|M7=SWS4|SELECTED=FALSE |RECORD=Class|NAME=+-5|KIND=8|SUPERCLASS=FALSE|M0=NetJ32_1|M1= +5V1|M2=+5VM|SELECTED=FALSE |RECORD=Class|NAME=POWER|KIND=8|SUPERCLASS=FALSE|M0=+PWR4|M1=+ PWR1|M2=+12Q6|M3=+12Q5|M4=NetJ32_3|M5=-5VM1|M6=NetJ32_1|M7=+5V 1|M8=FAN|SELECTED=FALSE |RECORD=Class|NAME=All Components|KIND=9|SUPERCLASS=TRUE|M0=VR3|M1=KEY4|M2=LD13|M3=C4 |M4=C3|M5=C2|M6=C1|M7=R21|M8=E4|M9=E3|M10=E2|M11=E1|M12=Q1|M13 =D1|M14=R14|M15=R13|M16=KEY1|M17=R9|M18=RF1_1|M19=R5|M20=LD9|M 21=SW1|M22=VR1|M23=LD2|M24=LD2|M25=J5|M26=J1|M27=KEY2|M28=MB10 |M29=ST4|M30=VR2|M31=LD4|M32=LD4|M33=J6|M34=KEY3|M35=LD11|M36= SW3|M37=LD6|M38=LD6|M39=J7|M40=LD12|M41=SW4|M42=VR4|M43=LD8|M4 4=LD8|M45=J8|M46=Q2|M47=D2|M48=R16|M49=R15|M50=R10|M51=RF2_1|M 52=R6|M53=Q3|M54=D3|M55=R18|M56=R17|M57=R11|M58=RF3_2|M59=R7|M 60=Q4|M61=D4|M62=R20|M63=R19|M64=R12|M65=RF4_2|M66=R8|M67=J2|M 68=J3|M69=J4|M70=J3|M71=J4|M72=J6|M73=J5|M74=MB10|M75=VR3|M76= KEY4|M77=LD13|M78=C4|M79=C3|M80=C2|M81=C1|M82=E4|M83=E3|M84=E2 |M85=E1|M86=Q1|M87=D1|M88=R14|M89=R13|M90=KEY1|M91=R9|M92=RF1_ 1|M93=R5|M94=LD9|M95=SW1|M96=VR1|M97=LD2|M98=LD2|M99=J5|M100=J 1|M101=KEY2|M102=ST4|M103=VR2|M104=LD4|M105=LD4|M106=J6|M107=K EY3|M108=LD11|M109=SW3|M110=LD6|M111=LD6|M112=J7|M113=LD12|M11 4=SW4|M115=VR4|M116=LD8|M117=LD8|M118=J8|M119=Q2|M120=D2|M1! 21=R16|M122=R15|M123=R10|M124=R6| M125=Q3|M126=D3|M127=R18|M128=R17|M129=R11|M130=RF3_2|M131=R7| M132=Q4|M133=D4|M134=R20|M135=R19|M136=R12|M137=RF4_2|M138=R8| M139=J2|M140=J3|M141=J4|M142=RF2_1|M143=MB10|M144=VR3|M145=KEY 4|M146=LD13|M147=C4|M148=C3|M149=C2|M150=C1|M151=E4|M152=E3|M1 53=E2|M154=E1|M155=Q1|M156=D1|M157=R14|M158=R13|M159=KEY1|M160 =R9|M161=RF1_1|M162=R5|M163=LD9|M164=SW1|M165=VR1|M166=LD2|M16 7=LD2|M168=J5|M169=J1|M170=KEY2|M171=ST4|M172=VR2|M173=LD4|M17 4=LD4|M175=J6|M176=KEY3|M177=LD11|M178=SW3|M179=LD6|M180=LD6|M 181=J7|M182=LD12|M183=SW4|M184=VR4|M185=LD8|M186=LD8|M187=J8|M 188=Q2|M189=D2|M190=R16|M191=R15|M192=R10|M193=R6|M194=Q3|M195 =D3|M196=R18|M197=R17|M198=R11|M199=RF3_2|M200=R7|M201=Q4|M202 =D4|M203=R20|M204=R19|M205=R12|M206=RF4_2|M207=R8|M208=J2|M209 =J3|M210=J4|M211=RF2_1|SELECTED=FALSE |RECORD=Class|NAME=All Nets|KIND=8|SUPERCLASS=TRUE|SELECTED=FALSE |RECORD=Class|NAME=All From-Tos|KIND=15|SUPERCLASS=TRUE|SELECTED=FALSE |RECORD=Class|NAME=All Pads|KIND=2|SUPERCLASS=TRUE|SELECTED=FALSE |RECORD=Class|NAME=BREAKAWAYS|KIND=9|SUPERCLASS=FALSE|M0=MB11| M1=MB8|M2=MB7|M3=MB6|M4=MB18|M5=MB17|M6=MB16|M7=MB15|M8=MB9|M9 =MB1|M10=MB2|M11=MB3|M12=MB4|M13=MB5|M14=MB10|M15=MB12|M16=MB2 3|M17=MB22|M18=MB21|M19=MB21|M20=MB20|M21=MB19|M22=MB19|M23=MB 14|M24=MB13|SELECTED=FALSE John Haddy wrote: Hi all, We're trying to export all the information from a 99SE database so that we can provide it to a contractor who doesn't have any access to Protel (or a Protel import tool). Our big sticking point at the moment is in getting the list of classes and class mambers out of the ddb and into a text file. Has anybody done this? Thanks, John Haddy -- Dennis Saputelli = send only plain text please! - no HTML == __ _ Integrated Controls, Inc. www.integratedcontrolsinc.com 2851 21st
Re: [PEDA] How to place non-plated thru holes?
Igor Gmitrovic wrote: You can set the pad size as small as you want, even as a negative value. Usually, I set it to 0 (zero) to make sure the pad copper does not show at all. If you want to sort them by size and still don't want copper, set pad sizes to different negative values. Dennis, this is not an attempt to give you the definitive answer. Igor Just for an alternate viewpoint: I like to have a copper pad around mounting holes (and I let them be plated). I make the pad a bit larger than the screwhead or other mounting hardware - this gives me an automatic keepout area around the hole so that I can't run traces where a screwhead might cause a short. The pad doesn't need to be connected to any net. -- Peter Bennett TRIUMF 4004 Wesbrook Mall, Vancouver, BC, Canada GPS and NMEA info and programs: http://vancouver-webpages.com/peter/index.html * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Exporting Classes?
Yes, I'm in North Ryde. Protel isn't an option in this case, unfortunately. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 31 October 2003 10:38 AM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] Exporting Classes? Buy, beg borrow or steal P99SE for your contractor. The possibility for error on this project could be great. Sorry for off topic question, are you located in Nth Ryde? BR Clive John Haddy [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 31/10/2003 09:45:12 AM Please respond to Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Protel EDA Forum' [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc:(bcc: Clive Broome/sdc) Subject: Re: [PEDA] Exporting Classes? Thanks Denis, I do know about exporting design rules, but since many of these rules are class specific then they're irrelevant unless we can also provide class membership info. The export effort is to transfer the IP of an integrated circuit tester loadboard. This is a 24 layer, nearly 0.25 thick, approx. 18 inch diameter board which attaches to a chip tester and feed handler. The contractor will be making a modified (simpler) version of this loadboard in their own CAD system. Most of the design intent is captured in the design rules, which makes this aspect critical to the transfer exercise. We're talking about a design with probably two to three hundred net classes, twenty or more component classes and about a thousand design rules (many combinations of net + component + layer rules). Running a full DRC takes days! John Haddy -Original Message- From: Dennis Saputelli [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, 30 October 2003 12:36 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] Exporting Classes? not that i can see, EXCEPT if you save as ascii PCB here is a snip from a simple bd at bottom can you explain more what they are trying to do? recreate in another system? i assume you are aware that you *can* export the design rules to a file Dennis Saputelli |RECORD=Class|NAME=MTGHOLES|KIND=9|SUPERCLASS=FALSE|M0=MT7|M1= MT6|M2=MT5|M3=MT4|M4=MT3|M5=MT2|M6=MT1|M7=MT8|M8=MT1|SELECTED=FALSE |RECORD=Class|NAME=SMALLCONSM|KIND=9|SUPERCLASS=FALSE|M0=J20|M 1=J2|M2=J1|M3=J4|M4=J3|M5=J6|M6=J5|M7=J8|M8=J7|M9=J100|SELECTED=FALSE |RECORD=Class|NAME=8MILOK|KIND=8|SUPERCLASS=FALSE|M0=LLE1|M1=L LE4|M2=LSC1|M3=LSC4|M4=LSD1|M5=LSD4|M6=SWS1|M7=SWS4|SELECTED=FALSE |RECORD=Class|NAME=+-5|KIND=8|SUPERCLASS=FALSE|M0=NetJ32_1|M1= +5V1|M2=+5VM|SELECTED=FALSE |RECORD=Class|NAME=POWER|KIND=8|SUPERCLASS=FALSE|M0=+PWR4|M1=+ PWR1|M2=+12Q6|M3=+12Q5|M4=NetJ32_3|M5=-5VM1|M6=NetJ32_1|M7=+5V 1|M8=FAN|SELECTED=FALSE |RECORD=Class|NAME=All Components|KIND=9|SUPERCLASS=TRUE|M0=VR3|M1=KEY4|M2=LD13|M3=C4 |M4=C3|M5=C2|M6=C1|M7=R21|M8=E4|M9=E3|M10=E2|M11=E1|M12=Q1|M13 =D1|M14=R14|M15=R13|M16=KEY1|M17=R9|M18=RF1_1|M19=R5|M20=LD9|M 21=SW1|M22=VR1|M23=LD2|M24=LD2|M25=J5|M26=J1|M27=KEY2|M28=MB10 |M29=ST4|M30=VR2|M31=LD4|M32=LD4|M33=J6|M34=KEY3|M35=LD11|M36= SW3|M37=LD6|M38=LD6|M39=J7|M40=LD12|M41=SW4|M42=VR4|M43=LD8|M4 4=LD8|M45=J8|M46=Q2|M47=D2|M48=R16|M49=R15|M50=R10|M51=RF2_1|M 52=R6|M53=Q3|M54=D3|M55=R18|M56=R17|M57=R11|M58=RF3_2|M59=R7|M 60=Q4|M61=D4|M62=R20|M63=R19|M64=R12|M65=RF4_2|M66=R8|M67=J2|M 68=J3|M69=J4|M70=J3|M71=J4|M72=J6|M73=J5|M74=MB10|M75=VR3|M76= KEY4|M77=LD13|M78=C4|M79=C3|M80=C2|M81=C1|M82=E4|M83=E3|M84=E2 |M85=E1|M86=Q1|M87=D1|M88=R14|M89=R13|M90=KEY1|M91=R9|M92=RF1_ 1|M93=R5|M94=LD9|M95=SW1|M96=VR1|M97=LD2|M98=LD2|M99=J5|M100=J 1|M101=KEY2|M102=ST4|M103=VR2|M104=LD4|M105=LD4|M106=J6|M107=K EY3|M108=LD11|M109=SW3|M110=LD6|M111=LD6|M112=J7|M113=LD12|M11 4=SW4|M115=VR4|M116=LD8|M117=LD8|M118=J8|M119=Q2|M120=D2|M1! 21=R16|M122=R15|M123=R10|M124=R6| M125=Q3|M126=D3|M127=R18|M128=R17|M129=R11|M130=RF3_2|M131=R7| M132=Q4|M133=D4|M134=R20|M135=R19|M136=R12|M137=RF4_2|M138=R8| M139=J2|M140=J3|M141=J4|M142=RF2_1|M143=MB10|M144=VR3|M145=KEY 4|M146=LD13|M147=C4|M148=C3|M149=C2|M150=C1|M151=E4|M152=E3|M1 53=E2|M154=E1|M155=Q1|M156=D1|M157=R14|M158=R13|M159=KEY1|M160 =R9|M161=RF1_1|M162=R5|M163=LD9|M164=SW1|M165=VR1|M166=LD2|M16 7=LD2|M168=J5|M169=J1|M170=KEY2|M171=ST4|M172=VR2|M173=LD4|M17 4=LD4|M175=J6|M176=KEY3|M177=LD11|M178=SW3|M179=LD6|M180=LD6|M 181=J7|M182=LD12|M183=SW4|M184=VR4|M185=LD8|M186=LD8|M187=J8|M 188=Q2|M189=D2|M190=R16|M191=R15|M192=R10|M193=R6|M194=Q3|M195 =D3|M196=R18|M197=R17|M198=R11|M199=RF3_2|M200=R7|M201=Q4|M202 =D4|M203=R20|M204=R19|M205=R12|M206=RF4_2|M207=R8|M208=J2|M209 =J3|M210=J4|M211=RF2_1|SELECTED=FALSE |RECORD=Class|NAME=All Nets|KIND=8|SUPERCLASS=TRUE|SELECTED=FALSE |RECORD=Class|NAME=All From-Tos|KIND=15|SUPERCLASS=TRUE|SELECTED=FALSE |RECORD=Class|NAME=All Pads|KIND=2|SUPERCLASS=TRUE|SELECTED=FALSE |RECORD=Class|NAME=BREAKAWAYS|KIND=9|SUPERCLASS=FALSE|M0=MB11| M1=MB8|M2=MB7|M3=MB6|M4=MB18|M5=MB17|M6=MB16|M7=MB15|M8=MB9|M9
Re: [PEDA] Exporting Classes?
Buy, beg borrow or steal P99SE for your contractor. The possibility for error on this project could be great. Sorry for off topic question, are you located in Nth Ryde? BR Clive John Haddy [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 31/10/2003 09:45:12 AM Please respond to Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Protel EDA Forum' [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc:(bcc: Clive Broome/sdc) Subject: Re: [PEDA] Exporting Classes? Thanks Denis, I do know about exporting design rules, but since many of these rules are class specific then they're irrelevant unless we can also provide class membership info. The export effort is to transfer the IP of an integrated circuit tester loadboard. This is a 24 layer, nearly 0.25 thick, approx. 18 inch diameter board which attaches to a chip tester and feed handler. The contractor will be making a modified (simpler) version of this loadboard in their own CAD system. Most of the design intent is captured in the design rules, which makes this aspect critical to the transfer exercise. We're talking about a design with probably two to three hundred net classes, twenty or more component classes and about a thousand design rules (many combinations of net + component + layer rules). Running a full DRC takes days! John Haddy -Original Message- From: Dennis Saputelli [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, 30 October 2003 12:36 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] Exporting Classes? not that i can see, EXCEPT if you save as ascii PCB here is a snip from a simple bd at bottom can you explain more what they are trying to do? recreate in another system? i assume you are aware that you *can* export the design rules to a file Dennis Saputelli |RECORD=Class|NAME=MTGHOLES|KIND=9|SUPERCLASS=FALSE|M0=MT7|M1= MT6|M2=MT5|M3=MT4|M4=MT3|M5=MT2|M6=MT1|M7=MT8|M8=MT1|SELECTED=FALSE |RECORD=Class|NAME=SMALLCONSM|KIND=9|SUPERCLASS=FALSE|M0=J20|M 1=J2|M2=J1|M3=J4|M4=J3|M5=J6|M6=J5|M7=J8|M8=J7|M9=J100|SELECTED=FALSE |RECORD=Class|NAME=8MILOK|KIND=8|SUPERCLASS=FALSE|M0=LLE1|M1=L LE4|M2=LSC1|M3=LSC4|M4=LSD1|M5=LSD4|M6=SWS1|M7=SWS4|SELECTED=FALSE |RECORD=Class|NAME=+-5|KIND=8|SUPERCLASS=FALSE|M0=NetJ32_1|M1= +5V1|M2=+5VM|SELECTED=FALSE |RECORD=Class|NAME=POWER|KIND=8|SUPERCLASS=FALSE|M0=+PWR4|M1=+ PWR1|M2=+12Q6|M3=+12Q5|M4=NetJ32_3|M5=-5VM1|M6=NetJ32_1|M7=+5V 1|M8=FAN|SELECTED=FALSE |RECORD=Class|NAME=All Components|KIND=9|SUPERCLASS=TRUE|M0=VR3|M1=KEY4|M2=LD13|M3=C4 |M4=C3|M5=C2|M6=C1|M7=R21|M8=E4|M9=E3|M10=E2|M11=E1|M12=Q1|M13 =D1|M14=R14|M15=R13|M16=KEY1|M17=R9|M18=RF1_1|M19=R5|M20=LD9|M 21=SW1|M22=VR1|M23=LD2|M24=LD2|M25=J5|M26=J1|M27=KEY2|M28=MB10 |M29=ST4|M30=VR2|M31=LD4|M32=LD4|M33=J6|M34=KEY3|M35=LD11|M36= SW3|M37=LD6|M38=LD6|M39=J7|M40=LD12|M41=SW4|M42=VR4|M43=LD8|M4 4=LD8|M45=J8|M46=Q2|M47=D2|M48=R16|M49=R15|M50=R10|M51=RF2_1|M 52=R6|M53=Q3|M54=D3|M55=R18|M56=R17|M57=R11|M58=RF3_2|M59=R7|M 60=Q4|M61=D4|M62=R20|M63=R19|M64=R12|M65=RF4_2|M66=R8|M67=J2|M 68=J3|M69=J4|M70=J3|M71=J4|M72=J6|M73=J5|M74=MB10|M75=VR3|M76= KEY4|M77=LD13|M78=C4|M79=C3|M80=C2|M81=C1|M82=E4|M83=E3|M84=E2 |M85=E1|M86=Q1|M87=D1|M88=R14|M89=R13|M90=KEY1|M91=R9|M92=RF1_ 1|M93=R5|M94=LD9|M95=SW1|M96=VR1|M97=LD2|M98=LD2|M99=J5|M100=J 1|M101=KEY2|M102=ST4|M103=VR2|M104=LD4|M105=LD4|M106=J6|M107=K EY3|M108=LD11|M109=SW3|M110=LD6|M111=LD6|M112=J7|M113=LD12|M11 4=SW4|M115=VR4|M116=LD8|M117=LD8|M118=J8|M119=Q2|M120=D2|M1! 21=R16|M122=R15|M123=R10|M124=R6| M125=Q3|M126=D3|M127=R18|M128=R17|M129=R11|M130=RF3_2|M131=R7| M132=Q4|M133=D4|M134=R20|M135=R19|M136=R12|M137=RF4_2|M138=R8| M139=J2|M140=J3|M141=J4|M142=RF2_1|M143=MB10|M144=VR3|M145=KEY 4|M146=LD13|M147=C4|M148=C3|M149=C2|M150=C1|M151=E4|M152=E3|M1 53=E2|M154=E1|M155=Q1|M156=D1|M157=R14|M158=R13|M159=KEY1|M160 =R9|M161=RF1_1|M162=R5|M163=LD9|M164=SW1|M165=VR1|M166=LD2|M16 7=LD2|M168=J5|M169=J1|M170=KEY2|M171=ST4|M172=VR2|M173=LD4|M17 4=LD4|M175=J6|M176=KEY3|M177=LD11|M178=SW3|M179=LD6|M180=LD6|M 181=J7|M182=LD12|M183=SW4|M184=VR4|M185=LD8|M186=LD8|M187=J8|M 188=Q2|M189=D2|M190=R16|M191=R15|M192=R10|M193=R6|M194=Q3|M195 =D3|M196=R18|M197=R17|M198=R11|M199=RF3_2|M200=R7|M201=Q4|M202 =D4|M203=R20|M204=R19|M205=R12|M206=RF4_2|M207=R8|M208=J2|M209 =J3|M210=J4|M211=RF2_1|SELECTED=FALSE |RECORD=Class|NAME=All Nets|KIND=8|SUPERCLASS=TRUE|SELECTED=FALSE |RECORD=Class|NAME=All From-Tos|KIND=15|SUPERCLASS=TRUE|SELECTED=FALSE |RECORD=Class|NAME=All Pads|KIND=2|SUPERCLASS=TRUE|SELECTED=FALSE |RECORD=Class|NAME=BREAKAWAYS|KIND=9|SUPERCLASS=FALSE|M0=MB11| M1=MB8|M2=MB7|M3=MB6|M4=MB18|M5=MB17|M6=MB16|M7=MB15|M8=MB9|M9 =MB1|M10=MB2|M11=MB3|M12=MB4|M13=MB5|M14=MB10|M15=MB12|M16=MB2 3|M17=MB22|M18=MB21|M19=MB21|M20=MB20|M21=MB19|M22=MB19|M23=MB 14|M24=MB13|SELECTED=FALSE John Haddy wrote: Hi all, We're trying to export all the information from a 99SE database so that we can provide it to a contractor who doesn't have any access to Protel (or a Protel import tool). Our big sticking point at the
