Re: [PEDA] Spice Simulation (V & I) Probes on Schematic?
Hi Stephen, If you are not already on the DXP list I would recommend you join, there have been lots of small important changes since DXP SP2. Darren Moore PS The DXP list is an Altium list, go to there web site to sign up. > -Original Message- > From: Stephen Noftall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > John A. Ross [RSDTV] wrote: > > The resistance to change to the DXP platform, regardless of > their motives, has been extremely poor > > compared to previous versions. One of our policies for > accepting external work is that the client > > should supply the toolset of there choice to use and they > must maintain it with the latest versions > > (support etc) and the resistance to change has been very noticable. > > Hello all; First post on the forum for me! > > I understand how you feel John. I have been a Protel/Orcad user since > DOS3.1 days. Sometimes, I wish I was still back there ;-) > > There are times when waiting for the 15 Seconds DXP takes to > fire up on > my rig that I wish Protel had just concentrated on what I wanted. I > still think the original Orcad was a better schematic entry tool than > what I use now. > > But for my question: I have just received Protel PCB 2004. Now, > everytime I ask Altium why would I want to upgrade from DXP > (SP2) to PCB > 2004, I get a cryptic answer (It's our latest software!). Can anyone > explain the difference between the two? From all I can > gather, they are > exactly the same. But what real-world difference is there? > > Thanks! > > Stephen Noftall > > > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Spice Simulation (V & I) Probes on Schematic?
On 08:51 AM 26/06/2004, John A. Ross [RSDTV] said: Ian has collected some things here, http://www.considered.com.au/DXP_vs_P99SE.htm Pretty out of date and does not really differentiate between DXP and P2004. Maybe one day I will update. Stephen - Altium have a list of new stuff in P2004 compared to DXP: http://www.protel.com/newin2004.htm also a list of things fixed since DXP SP2: http://www.protel.com/2004releasenotes.pdf but this does *not* include changes in P2004 SP1. You would also need to read: http://www.altium.com/downloads/2004SP1/releasenotes.htm to get the guff on those. I do not know of any comparison between P99SE and P2004 - I would have thought it would be in Altium's interest to produce such a thing as there are still many vocal P99SE around. It would certainly help those that are thinking about what to do and it would at least mean that those that are staying with P99SE can attempt to work out the real opportunity cost of staying with P99SE vs the (possible) productivity improvements of competitors using the various alternatives (inc P2004). If you think the the changes in P2004 are not beneficial to you (or not so you can justify the $), at least you have some real conception of what your competitors may be using. Ian * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Spice Simulation (V & I) Probes on Schematic?
Ian has collected some things here, http://www.considered.com.au/DXP_vs_P99SE.htm John > -Original Message- > From: Stephen Noftall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 11:27 PM > To: Protel EDA Forum > Subject: Re: [PEDA] Spice Simulation (V & I) Probes on Schematic? > > John A. Ross [RSDTV] wrote: > > The resistance to change to the DXP platform, regardless of their > > motives, has been extremely poor compared to previous > versions. One of > > our policies for accepting external work is that the client should > > supply the toolset of there choice to use and they must > maintain it with the latest versions (support etc) and the > resistance to change has been very noticable. > > Hello all; First post on the forum for me! > > I understand how you feel John. I have been a Protel/Orcad user since > DOS3.1 days. Sometimes, I wish I was still back there ;-) > > There are times when waiting for the 15 Seconds DXP takes to > fire up on my rig that I wish Protel had just concentrated on > what I wanted. I still think the original Orcad was a better > schematic entry tool than what I use now. > > But for my question: I have just received Protel PCB 2004. > Now, everytime I ask Altium why would I want to upgrade from > DXP (SP2) to PCB 2004, I get a cryptic answer (It's our > latest software!). Can anyone explain the difference between > the two? From all I can gather, they are exactly the same. > But what real-world difference is there? > > Thanks! > > Stephen Noftall > > > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Spice Simulation (V & I) Probes on Schematic?
> -Original Message- > From: Darren [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 5:59 PM > To: Protel EDA Forum > Subject: Re: [PEDA] Spice Simulation (V & I) Probes on Schematic? > > Joe/John, > > Just curious, do you guys work from home doing contract PCB > design? This is something I would like to do if there are > such opportunities. Darren Although I have an office at home and I do work from here sometimes this is due to personal responsibilities at home which restrict my office availability even although it is only a few miles away. I am a salaried person but also a shareholder in the company I work for. Have been here since 1987 full time and worked with more or less the same people for over 20 years. As part of a team I have to rely on others and they rely on me, no room for slacking, we are all each others motivator/managers. I get calls every day from contract companies and contactors looking for work, I trash some as they are asking for too little, I trash others for asking for over inflated rates and under inflated CV. As yet I have not found one yet that would justify the rates or investment in my time to get their work practices licked into shape. Contracting is a bloody tough game to be in and can sometimes be seriously depressing as I have seen good, skilful guys see it as 'escaping the leash' and have had their efforts thwarted by nothing more than their own lack of skills in marketing and selling themselves or identifying companies with skill gaps they can fill at the right price, and exploiting those needs correctly (to both parties benefit, the secret of longevity). I have seen others who could sell snow to Eskimos and very poor skills indeed, these guys do very well, but tend to 'milk the cow dry' every chance they get and then look for another cow. S... Floats as they say. In this respect the IPC certification programs which list engineers is something I like very much, it's a pity is not a requirement every say 2 years or so to keep it valid, it would weed out a lot of the bogus CV entries I have found! Some of the people I would like I would have to 'head hunt' from other companies. Most of the external work I do is part of a symbiotic relationship with companies we have licensed out reference designs or embedded applications to, they use us as their R&D and we use them for sales, marketing and distribution of products. Although we manufacture our own designs for some people we do not employ any sales or marketing staff at all. This relationship has extended over the past 5-7 years to include work on pre release silicon from some of our suppliers, not customers, for the TV sector including test boards for devices pending tape out, recommendations on pin-outs for the IC so that end clients can rout complex devices on min layer counts and some BGA work. This if done as a contract job would be enough to sustain perhaps 1 - 1 1/2 people (volunteers for the 1/2 ?? :-) ) but the travelling and moving/shaking involved in keeping it is difficult. If you are considering it make sure you get plenty leads and some commitment from companies up front, do not be too fussy on the type of work, bread and butter stuff. I hope no-one who does contract work takes too much of my pessimistic look at contacting in the wrong way, not all contractors fit into the 2 categories I have painted above and perhaps they can give you a bit more of a real insight into the 'game' than I can. John > > Darren > - Original Message - > From: "Joe Sapienza" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 10:33 AM > Subject: Re: [PEDA] Spice Simulation (V & I) Probes on Schematic? > > > > John, > > > > If you are truly getting ready for retirement maybe we can > address you al > > old man Ross??? > > > > The changeover is inevitable, personally I see where the > tool can go and > I'm > > starting to invest my time to it. Working outside a large > company I can > also > > see that if layout doesn't wind up outsourced overseas(US) > those of us > that > > stay in PCB layout/design will do well, I get the > impression that Junior > > engineers are not the same way as some of us have been, > they all sorta > think > > they are bosses, I'm not sure how to accurately articulate > my impressions > of > > the current crop of engineers and I trust this is accurate > enough to > convey > > my impressions. > > > > Joe > > > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "john" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "'Protel EDA Forum'"
Re: [PEDA] Spice Simulation (V & I) Probes on Schematic?
> -Original Message- > From: Joe Sapienza [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 5:34 PM > To: Protel EDA Forum > Subject: Re: [PEDA] Spice Simulation (V & I) Probes on Schematic? > > John, > > If you are truly getting ready for retirement maybe we can > address you al old man Ross??? Joe Hopefully I have a few years left yet > The changeover is inevitable, personally I see where the tool > can go and I'm starting to invest my time to it. Working > outside a large company I can also see that if layout doesn't > wind up outsourced overseas(US) those of us that stay in PCB > layout/design will do well, I get the impression that Junior > engineers are not the same way as some of us have been, they > all sorta think they are bosses, I'm not sure how to > accurately articulate my impressions of the current crop of > engineers and I trust this is accurate enough to convey my > impressions. Customer demand my friend, I have some still on Pads Perform, still have some on Protel 2.8, the majority on 99SE and a very few on DXP2004. When I changed to P98 I managed without to much effort to get the majority to at least keep a seat, >From P98 >99SE was also a very positive change, despite the DDB introdcuction. I would be more than happy to try and egg them on a little to a common, up to date platform, but the general feelings on DXP, even 2004 has been a bit, well to tell the truth, extremely negative and some of the larger names, which Altium like to boast as customers have point blank refused to accept anything other than 99SE designs. Despite even demontsrting some features in person at one clients site last time I was in Germany, and the engineers liking them, they would not budge from 99SE. The resistance to change to the DXP platform, regardless of their motives, has been extremely poor compared to previous versions. One of our policies for accepting external work is that the client should supply the toolset of there choice to use and they must maintain it with the latest versions (support etc) and the resistance to change has been very noticable. Now, time to hunt some food. John * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Spice Simulation (V & I) Probes on Schematic?
Joe/John, Just curious, do you guys work from home doing contract PCB design? This is something I would like to do if there are such opportunities. Darren - Original Message - From: "Joe Sapienza" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 10:33 AM Subject: Re: [PEDA] Spice Simulation (V & I) Probes on Schematic? > John, > > If you are truly getting ready for retirement maybe we can address you al > old man Ross??? > > The changeover is inevitable, personally I see where the tool can go and I'm > starting to invest my time to it. Working outside a large company I can also > see that if layout doesn't wind up outsourced overseas(US) those of us that > stay in PCB layout/design will do well, I get the impression that Junior > engineers are not the same way as some of us have been, they all sorta think > they are bosses, I'm not sure how to accurately articulate my impressions of > the current crop of engineers and I trust this is accurate enough to convey > my impressions. > > Joe > > > - Original Message - > From: "john" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "'Protel EDA Forum'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 12:06 PM > Subject: Re: [PEDA] Spice Simulation (V & I) Probes on Schematic? > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Protel Hell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 4:27 PM > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Subject: Re: [PEDA] Spice Simulation (V & I) Probes on Schematic? > > > > > > I'm doing quite nicely Joe, thanks for asking > > > > > > Never left, nor do I intend to, I am fascinated by the people > > > who choose not to update to DXP2004, are they ostrich's or > > > dinosours? Or Dodo bird. That is what I want to know. I > > > installed DXP 2004 a month ago, like it much better than DXP > > > but still glad I am paid by the hour. > > > > I prefer to be a dinosaur and stay at the top of the food chain than an > > ostritch running for its life or hiding, but will end up going the same > way > > as the dodo but hoping Ill get to retire first instead of being retired by > > someone else... (gues who still get a salary...) > > > > (sorry, Friday afternoon humour needed) > > > > John > > > > > > > > > > > __ NOD32 1.794 (20040623) Information __ > > This message was checked by NOD32 Antivirus System. > http://www.nod32.com > > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Spice Simulation (V & I) Probes on Schematic?
John, If you are truly getting ready for retirement maybe we can address you al old man Ross??? The changeover is inevitable, personally I see where the tool can go and I'm starting to invest my time to it. Working outside a large company I can also see that if layout doesn't wind up outsourced overseas(US) those of us that stay in PCB layout/design will do well, I get the impression that Junior engineers are not the same way as some of us have been, they all sorta think they are bosses, I'm not sure how to accurately articulate my impressions of the current crop of engineers and I trust this is accurate enough to convey my impressions. Joe - Original Message - From: "john" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'Protel EDA Forum'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 12:06 PM Subject: Re: [PEDA] Spice Simulation (V & I) Probes on Schematic? > > -Original Message- > > From: Protel Hell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 4:27 PM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: [PEDA] Spice Simulation (V & I) Probes on Schematic? > > > > I'm doing quite nicely Joe, thanks for asking > > > > Never left, nor do I intend to, I am fascinated by the people > > who choose not to update to DXP2004, are they ostrich's or > > dinosours? Or Dodo bird. That is what I want to know. I > > installed DXP 2004 a month ago, like it much better than DXP > > but still glad I am paid by the hour. > > I prefer to be a dinosaur and stay at the top of the food chain than an > ostritch running for its life or hiding, but will end up going the same way > as the dodo but hoping Ill get to retire first instead of being retired by > someone else... (gues who still get a salary...) > > (sorry, Friday afternoon humour needed) > > John > > > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Spice Simulation (V & I) Probes on Schematic?
Glad to hear your ok. Yes I'm switching myself into 2004 got 9 boards done now, does take a bit, I wish had taken the time to learn the interface under DXP but the early release was too unstable for my likes. I'm busy but lately for some strange reason I've been busied by Netlist translations and Autorouting jobs. Unlike you I don't get paid by the hour, Everytime I explain to a customer what I need I miss those days. Yeah I also make plenty of time for my personal habits, planning another dive trip to Belize and I have a Service Rifle match tomorrow, I love it when people tell "you can't even see a target at 600YDS, or you must have a really big scope" I enjoy playing into some peoples ignorance and others are beyond help, then egging on can be lotsa fun. - Original Message - From: "Protel Hell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 11:27 AM Subject: Re: [PEDA] Spice Simulation (V & I) Probes on Schematic? > I'm doing quite nicely Joe, thanks for asking > > Never left, nor do I intend to, I am fascinated by the people who choose not > to update to DXP2004, are they ostrich's or dinosours? Or Dodo bird. That is > what I want to know. I installed DXP 2004 a month ago, like it much better > than DXP but still glad I am paid by the hour. > > increased work has not kept me from enjoying sailing on Thursdays and > Sundays, marathon canoeing on Mondays > > how's it going with you? > > PH > > >From: "Joe Sapienza" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Subject: Re: [PEDA] Spice Simulation (V & I) Probes on Schematic? > >Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 16:40:08 -0400 > > > >so mr. Hell it seems you are back and trolling again > > > >so how have you been? > > > > > > > > > >- Original Message - > >From: "Protel Hell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 11:27 AM > >Subject: Re: [PEDA] Spice Simulation (V & I) Probes on Schematic? > > > > > > > I think you can do this with Ctrl-alt-h with the left hand and by > > > Ins-Shift-P with the right hand while you stab at the space bar with > >your > > > chin and peck the "6" key with your nose > > > > > > or perhaps not > > > > > > ease of use is not Altiums' forte, they add a feature, "hmmm...which key > > > combinations have not yet been used > > > > > > PH > > > > > > >From: "Darren" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > >Reply-To: "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > >Subject: [PEDA] Spice Simulation (V & I) Probes on Schematic? > > > >Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 22:54:50 -0600 > > > > > > > >Greetings. > > > > > > > >I feel that Altium Protel DXP is a wonderful program with an insane > >amount > > > >of configuration capabilities, and is well-thought out in terms of > > > >integrating Schematic and PCB design. > > > > > > > >However, there seems to be one important feature that either I can not > > > >figure out how to perform, or was completely overlooked by the DXP > > > >development team, and that is when doing simulations from the > >schematic. > >It > > > >seems that in the schematic editor, there is no provision for placing > > > >either voltage or current probes on the schematic as is done in many > >other > > > >popular schematic/simulation packages. > > > > > > > >For me, this is an extremely important feature, for fine tuning a > >design. > > > >Without this ability, a lot of time is spent selecting nodes from a > >list, > > > >especially when it is desired to display different signals each time a > > > >simulation is run. > > > > > > > >The closest it seems that Protel DXP comes to this capability, is to > >place > > > >net labels on the schematic, but this only allows for voltages. I can > >not > > > >figure how to do the same for currents, and even if it is possible, it > >is > > > >extremely inefficient to do it this way as opposed to just dragging a > >probe > > > >on to the point of interest. > > > > > > > >Please, does anyone know of how to get around t
Re: [PEDA] Spice Simulation (V & I) Probes on Schematic?
> -Original Message- > From: Protel Hell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 4:27 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [PEDA] Spice Simulation (V & I) Probes on Schematic? > > I'm doing quite nicely Joe, thanks for asking > > Never left, nor do I intend to, I am fascinated by the people > who choose not to update to DXP2004, are they ostrich's or > dinosours? Or Dodo bird. That is what I want to know. I > installed DXP 2004 a month ago, like it much better than DXP > but still glad I am paid by the hour. I prefer to be a dinosaur and stay at the top of the food chain than an ostritch running for its life or hiding, but will end up going the same way as the dodo but hoping Ill get to retire first instead of being retired by someone else... (gues who still get a salary...) (sorry, Friday afternoon humour needed) John * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Spice Simulation (V & I) Probes on Schematic?
I'm doing quite nicely Joe, thanks for asking Never left, nor do I intend to, I am fascinated by the people who choose not to update to DXP2004, are they ostrich's or dinosours? Or Dodo bird. That is what I want to know. I installed DXP 2004 a month ago, like it much better than DXP but still glad I am paid by the hour. increased work has not kept me from enjoying sailing on Thursdays and Sundays, marathon canoeing on Mondays how's it going with you? PH From: "Joe Sapienza" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [PEDA] Spice Simulation (V & I) Probes on Schematic? Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 16:40:08 -0400 so mr. Hell it seems you are back and trolling again so how have you been? - Original Message - From: "Protel Hell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 11:27 AM Subject: Re: [PEDA] Spice Simulation (V & I) Probes on Schematic? > I think you can do this with Ctrl-alt-h with the left hand and by > Ins-Shift-P with the right hand while you stab at the space bar with your > chin and peck the "6" key with your nose > > or perhaps not > > ease of use is not Altiums' forte, they add a feature, "hmmm...which key > combinations have not yet been used > > PH > > >From: "Darren" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Subject: [PEDA] Spice Simulation (V & I) Probes on Schematic? > >Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 22:54:50 -0600 > > > >Greetings. > > > >I feel that Altium Protel DXP is a wonderful program with an insane amount > >of configuration capabilities, and is well-thought out in terms of > >integrating Schematic and PCB design. > > > >However, there seems to be one important feature that either I can not > >figure out how to perform, or was completely overlooked by the DXP > >development team, and that is when doing simulations from the schematic. It > >seems that in the schematic editor, there is no provision for placing > >either voltage or current probes on the schematic as is done in many other > >popular schematic/simulation packages. > > > >For me, this is an extremely important feature, for fine tuning a design. > >Without this ability, a lot of time is spent selecting nodes from a list, > >especially when it is desired to display different signals each time a > >simulation is run. > > > >The closest it seems that Protel DXP comes to this capability, is to place > >net labels on the schematic, but this only allows for voltages. I can not > >figure how to do the same for currents, and even if it is possible, it is > >extremely inefficient to do it this way as opposed to just dragging a probe > >on to the point of interest. > > > >Please, does anyone know of how to get around this deficiency in Protel? > > > >Thanks, > >Darren > > _ > Get fast, reliable Internet access with MSN 9 Dial-up now 3 months FREE! > http://join.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200361ave/direct/01/ > > > _ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Spice Simulation (V & I) Probes on Schematic?
On Wed, 23 Jun 2004 22:54:50 -0600, you wrote: >I can not figure how to do the same for currents, and even if it is possible, >it is extremely inefficient to do it this way as opposed to just dragging a >probe on to the point of interest. There is no single current in a net (with more than 2 nodes) and (as far as I know) no concept of node ordering or from-tos in a spice netlist. You need to break the net in two, add a component to short the two nets and measure the current in that component. A zero value voltage source, resistor or inductor would do. If other simulators let you place a current probe on a wire then it must be a very specific kludge where sticking something on the wire actually splits it and inserts a 2 pin component. How can you tell the direction of current flow with such a 'probe' ? Cheers, Terry. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Spice Simulation (V & I) Probes on Schematic?
so mr. Hell it seems you are back and trolling again so how have you been? - Original Message - From: "Protel Hell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 11:27 AM Subject: Re: [PEDA] Spice Simulation (V & I) Probes on Schematic? > I think you can do this with Ctrl-alt-h with the left hand and by > Ins-Shift-P with the right hand while you stab at the space bar with your > chin and peck the "6" key with your nose > > or perhaps not > > ease of use is not Altiums' forte, they add a feature, "hmmm...which key > combinations have not yet been used > > PH > > >From: "Darren" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Subject: [PEDA] Spice Simulation (V & I) Probes on Schematic? > >Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 22:54:50 -0600 > > > >Greetings. > > > >I feel that Altium Protel DXP is a wonderful program with an insane amount > >of configuration capabilities, and is well-thought out in terms of > >integrating Schematic and PCB design. > > > >However, there seems to be one important feature that either I can not > >figure out how to perform, or was completely overlooked by the DXP > >development team, and that is when doing simulations from the schematic. It > >seems that in the schematic editor, there is no provision for placing > >either voltage or current probes on the schematic as is done in many other > >popular schematic/simulation packages. > > > >For me, this is an extremely important feature, for fine tuning a design. > >Without this ability, a lot of time is spent selecting nodes from a list, > >especially when it is desired to display different signals each time a > >simulation is run. > > > >The closest it seems that Protel DXP comes to this capability, is to place > >net labels on the schematic, but this only allows for voltages. I can not > >figure how to do the same for currents, and even if it is possible, it is > >extremely inefficient to do it this way as opposed to just dragging a probe > >on to the point of interest. > > > >Please, does anyone know of how to get around this deficiency in Protel? > > > >Thanks, > >Darren > > _ > Get fast, reliable Internet access with MSN 9 Dial-up now 3 months FREE! > http://join.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200361ave/direct/01/ > > > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Spice Simulation (V & I) Probes on Schematic?
Darren wrote: Greetings. I feel that Altium Protel DXP is a wonderful program with an insane amount of configuration capabilities, and is well-thought out in terms of integrating Schematic and PCB design. However, there seems to be one important feature that either I can not figure out how to perform, or was completely overlooked by the DXP development team, and that is when doing simulations from the schematic. It seems that in the schematic editor, there is no provision for placing either voltage or current probes on the schematic as is done in many other popular schematic/simulation packages. For me, this is an extremely important feature, for fine tuning a design. Without this ability, a lot of time is spent selecting nodes from a list, especially when it is desired to display different signals each time a simulation is run. The closest it seems that Protel DXP comes to this capability, is to place net labels on the schematic, but this only allows for voltages. I can not figure how to do the same for currents, and even if it is possible, it is extremely inefficient to do it this way as opposed to just dragging a probe on to the point of interest. Spice automatically produces a current scalar for every voltage source. These are listed as something like I#br. Jon * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Spice Simulation (V & I) Probes on Schematic?
I think you can do this with Ctrl-alt-h with the left hand and by Ins-Shift-P with the right hand while you stab at the space bar with your chin and peck the "6" key with your nose or perhaps not ease of use is not Altiums' forte, they add a feature, "hmmm...which key combinations have not yet been used PH From: "Darren" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [PEDA] Spice Simulation (V & I) Probes on Schematic? Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 22:54:50 -0600 Greetings. I feel that Altium Protel DXP is a wonderful program with an insane amount of configuration capabilities, and is well-thought out in terms of integrating Schematic and PCB design. However, there seems to be one important feature that either I can not figure out how to perform, or was completely overlooked by the DXP development team, and that is when doing simulations from the schematic. It seems that in the schematic editor, there is no provision for placing either voltage or current probes on the schematic as is done in many other popular schematic/simulation packages. For me, this is an extremely important feature, for fine tuning a design. Without this ability, a lot of time is spent selecting nodes from a list, especially when it is desired to display different signals each time a simulation is run. The closest it seems that Protel DXP comes to this capability, is to place net labels on the schematic, but this only allows for voltages. I can not figure how to do the same for currents, and even if it is possible, it is extremely inefficient to do it this way as opposed to just dragging a probe on to the point of interest. Please, does anyone know of how to get around this deficiency in Protel? Thanks, Darren _ Get fast, reliable Internet access with MSN 9 Dial-up now 3 months FREE! http://join.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200361ave/direct/01/ * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] Spice Simulation (V & I) Probes on Schematic?
Greetings. I feel that Altium Protel DXP is a wonderful program with an insane amount of configuration capabilities, and is well-thought out in terms of integrating Schematic and PCB design. However, there seems to be one important feature that either I can not figure out how to perform, or was completely overlooked by the DXP development team, and that is when doing simulations from the schematic. It seems that in the schematic editor, there is no provision for placing either voltage or current probes on the schematic as is done in many other popular schematic/simulation packages. For me, this is an extremely important feature, for fine tuning a design. Without this ability, a lot of time is spent selecting nodes from a list, especially when it is desired to display different signals each time a simulation is run. The closest it seems that Protel DXP comes to this capability, is to place net labels on the schematic, but this only allows for voltages. I can not figure how to do the same for currents, and even if it is possible, it is extremely inefficient to do it this way as opposed to just dragging a probe on to the point of interest. Please, does anyone know of how to get around this deficiency in Protel? Thanks, Darren * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
