Re: List Courtesy (was Newbie question)

On 1 Dec 2000, Matt Brown wrote: > The only problem with doing that is the clueful admins with clueless > management who force everyone to use the Corporate Email Solution, ie > Outlook. Not me right now, but it was me in my last job. Agreed. At my last consulting job... it took over 3 weeks to

Re: List Courtesy (was Newbie question)

"Aaron L. Meehan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I've said enough. Pretty close to adding a rule for *Outlook* and > *Inernet Mail Service* (heh, "Service!") into my .procmailrc, though, > for mails to this list, with the SNR getting so bad among you all. The only problem with doing that is the

Re: List Courtesy (was Newbie question)

Scott D. Yelich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Was the issue about an MX pointing to a CNAME ever resolved? Yes; it's verboten. If you do it, don't expect to receive 100% of the mail people try to send to you. Also; please start a new thread when posting a new question; your message showed up

Re: List Courtesy (was Newbie question)

Just a recommendation.. Book Title: "Pragmatics of Human Communication" Author: Paul Watzlawik a.o. ISBN: 0393010090 and now back to work.. Anton Pirnat

Re: HELL, STOP IT (was: Re: List Courtesy (was Newbie question))

Thus spake Barley ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > And that they all talk sweepingly of "genetic superiority"? I thought I was > the only one who noticed... It was you who brought that term up. Felix

Re: HELL, STOP IT (was: Re: List Courtesy (was Newbie question))

Thus spake Markus Stumpf ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > - who has the highest crime rate in "western civilation" > - where it is forbidden to show naked breasts (you know the things you got > your first meal from in your life) on TV, but it is prefectly ok > to broadcast a detailed sequence of

Re: HELL, STOP IT (was: Re: List Courtesy (was Newbie question))

* Markus Stumpf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [001130 20:23]: > Isn't it funny, how *some* people that live in a country and a culture > - that killed thousands of black people [snip] Yeah yeah yeah, at least *we* know that David Hasselhof is talentless. /pg -- Peter Green : Gospel Communications Netwo

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Thus spake David Dyer-Bennet ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > > a. are too dumb to state their question properly > > (this includes bad grammar, bad spelling, bad quoting and obnoxious > > signatures) > Remembering that English is not the first language for everybody; I > make considerably mo

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> > Hrm i thought Robin was a woman ;) > > You wouldn't believe how much money we made with that webcam... > -- > Robin S. Socha http://socha.net/ hah! that owns! now smack your dad for the chick's name ;)

RE: HELL, STOP IT (was: Re: List Courtesy (was Newbie question))

> Isn't it funny, how *some* people that live in a country and a culture > - that killed thousands of black people > - that killed thousands of red indians > - that killed thousands of people with the atomic bomb > - that killed thousands of people in Vietnam You forgot the hundre

Re: HELL, STOP IT (was: Re: List Courtesy (was Newbie question))

Am Donnerstag, 30. November 2000 22:21 schrieb Horacio: > On Fri, 01 Dec 2000, Henning Brauer wrote: > > What about writing a rule for your mailer: if ( $sender =~ /.de$/ ) { > > kill mail; }. Then you can happily read all the lusers bullshit > > without being disturbed by us nazis tryin to get wo

Re: HELL, STOP IT (was: Re: List Courtesy (was Newbie question))

On Thu, Nov 30, 2000 at 03:21:40PM -0800, Barley wrote: > > Isn't it interesting that Stumf, Leitner and Socha all come from Germany? > > Just a coincidence, I suppose. > > And that they all talk sweepingly of "genetic superiority"? I thought I was > the only one who noticed... Isn't it funny, h

Re: HELL, STOP IT (was: Re: List Courtesy (was Newbie question))

On Fri, 01 Dec 2000, Henning Brauer wrote: > What about writing a rule for your mailer: if ( $sender =~ /.de$/ ) { > kill mail; }. Then you can happily read all the lusers bullshit > without being disturbed by us nazis tryin to get world domination. > Maybe you won't get the 3rd world war announc

Re: HELL, STOP IT (was: Re: List Courtesy (was Newbie question))

From: Henning Brauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Isn't it interesting that Stumf, Leitner and Socha all come from Germany? >> Just a coincidence, I suppose. > >What about writing a rule for your mailer: if ( $sender =~ /.de$/ ) { kill >mail; }. Then you can happily read all the lusers bullshit without

Re: List Courtesy (was Newbie question)

Quoting rmiddleton ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > > > > > about interacting successfully with the 5 billion other > > > > real-live people on the planet suited for survival in a > > > > Darwinian sense? > > > > You wouldn't say that if you knew how many of us wanted to sleep > > with him. > > Hrm i thou

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> > > about interacting successfully with the 5 billion other real-live people on > > > the planet suited for survival in a Darwinian sense? > > You wouldn't say that if you knew how many of us wanted to sleep with him. > > -- > Kate > http://www.katewerk.com > Hrm i thought Robin was a woman ;)

Re: HELL, STOP IT (was: Re: List Courtesy (was Newbie question))

Am Freitag, 1. Dezember 2000 00:54 schrieb asantos: > Isn't it interesting that Stumf, Leitner and Socha all come from Germany? > Just a coincidence, I suppose. What about writing a rule for your mailer: if ( $sender =~ /.de$/ ) { kill mail; }. Then you can happily read all the lusers bullshit

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Was the issue about an MX pointing to a CNAME ever resolved? Scott

Re: HELL, STOP IT (was: Re: List Courtesy (was Newbie question))

Barley wrote: > And that they all talk sweepingly of "genetic superiority"? I thought I was > the only one who noticed... Let's see, if USENET history is any indication, flame wars usually die down the moment people start calling each other Nazis. Glad to see this one's almost over. By the way,

Re: List Courtesy (was Newbie question)

Felix von Leitner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes on 30 November 2000 at 21:27:57 +0100 > Thus spake Dave Sill ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > > I'm not a big fan of newbie smackdowns, though a repeat offendor might > > warrant one. I think newbies generally respond better to reward than > > punishment. E.g

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Barley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes on 30 November 2000 at 11:30:46 -0800 > > But if you come here, post moronic questions, get beaten for it, and > > then have the audacity to come back and whine publicly, then you are the > > most pathetic creature on Earth and deserve to die slowly and painful

Re: HELL, STOP IT (was: Re: List Courtesy (was Newbie question))

> Isn't it interesting that Stumf, Leitner and Socha all come from Germany? > Just a coincidence, I suppose. And that they all talk sweepingly of "genetic superiority"? I thought I was the only one who noticed... > > 'nough said. > > Armando > > > > >

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On Thu, Nov 30, 2000 at 09:27:57PM +0100, Felix von Leitner wrote: > Thus spake Dave Sill ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > > I'm not a big fan of newbie smackdowns, though a repeat offendor might > > warrant one. I think newbies generally respond better to reward than > > punishment. E.g., instead of: > >

Re: HELL, STOP IT (was: Re: List Courtesy (was Newbie question))

From: Markus Stumpf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >STOP THIS BULLSHIT. NOW! IT'S ALREADY MORE THAN ENOUGH. "...a dying culture invariably exhibits personal rudeness. Bad manners. Lack of consideration for others in minor matters. A loss of politeness, of gentle manners, is more significant than a riot. T

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> Thus spake Barley ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > > > You mentioned Darwinism in a former post, Robin. How exactly is an angry > > geek who knows a whole lot about electronic boxes, but less than nothing > > about interacting successfully with the 5 billion other real-live people on > > the planet suite

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Am Donnerstag, 30. November 2000 21:55 schrieb Barley: > You see, you, like Felix, are a rude person who > enjoys trashing newbies. You were the first person to get incredibly nasty > about newbies yesterday, then that joker Robin...now this Felix character. > It seem to me that you angry types fo

HELL, STOP IT (was: Re: List Courtesy (was Newbie question))

On Thu, Nov 30, 2000 at 12:55:33PM -0800, Barley wrote: > I think you're worng. STOP THIS BULLSHIT. NOW! IT'S ALREADY MORE THAN ENOUGH. And if you think you must continue, take it to private mail. \Maex

RE: List Courtesy (was Newbie question)

how previous newbies are chastised by definition. -Original Message- From: Aaron L. Meehan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2000 3:01 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: List Courtesy (was Newbie question) Quoting John W. Lemons III ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > I&#x

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Thus spake Barley ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > Man, this Robin character is nuts. Coder-superiority syndrome big time. Why > is it that tech geeks are so sure that their field of knowledge is the only > one that indicates general intelligence? Hahaha, you idiot can't even be bothered to use a search en

Re: List Courtesy (was Newbie question)

Quoting John W. Lemons III ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > I've seen this over and over and over. Someone joins the list, probably > because they are having problems (the same reason I joined), posts a > question Back in the day, it was prudent and _neccessary_ to do thorough checking of the forum's arch

Re: List Courtesy (was Newbie question)

"Barley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >I cannot get over this attitude. Can it really be that the majority of the >qmail community feels like old Felix here? If I say "yes" can we kill this thread? -Dave

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> Am Donnerstag, 30. November 2000 20:30 schrieb Barley: > > > But if you come here, post moronic questions, get beaten for it, and > > > then have the audacity to come back and whine publicly, then you are the > > > most pathetic creature on Earth and deserve to die slowly and painfully. > > >

Re: List Courtesy (was Newbie question)

> How exactly is my MUA broken? Your MTA is not so broken that it could not be fixed if you actually understood what you are doing. Robin chose to be more polite to you than you are to us, so he rather wrote that it's your MUA's fault. > Telling someone to RTFM would be helpful, if the manual b

Re: List Courtesy (was Newbie question)

Thus spake Dave Sill ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > I'm not a big fan of newbie smackdowns, though a repeat offendor might > warrant one. I think newbies generally respond better to reward than > punishment. E.g., instead of: This is a question that I have asked numerous times and I never got a good resp

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Am Donnerstag, 30. November 2000 20:30 schrieb Barley: > > But if you come here, post moronic questions, get beaten for it, and > > then have the audacity to come back and whine publicly, then you are the > > most pathetic creature on Earth and deserve to die slowly and painfully. > > May the flie

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> But if you come here, post moronic questions, get beaten for it, and > then have the audacity to come back and whine publicly, then you are the > most pathetic creature on Earth and deserve to die slowly and painfully. > May the flies of a dozen dead camels' asses rest in your armpits! I cannot

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> I may be out of line here. You are. You post off-topic bullshit to a mailing list about qmail. Oh, and you don't even have the decency to comply to the well-established quoting standards when quoting email from others. This is not a "I am willing to help dumb idiots" mailing list. This is mor

Re: List Courtesy (was Newbie question)

From: Dave Sill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Actually, XEmacs is as much of an operating system--probably even >moreso--than early versions of Windows. Me, I'd say that neither is an operating system ;) Anyway, I think that a good rule of thumb to qualify a software piece as a operating system is "does

Re: List Courtesy (was Newbie question)

"asantos" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Or that XEmacs is not an operating system. Actually, XEmacs is as much of an operating system--probably even moreso--than early versions of Windows. -Dave

Re: List Courtesy (was Newbie question)

> > Doesn't Outlook have filtering capabilities? Perhaps you could figure out > how to just filter mail from <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> into the bit bucket; that > should basically take care of the problem, eh? But where would the *fun* be then. I haven't had so much to laugh, for a quite a while now.

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- Original Message - From: "Andy KKS" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Jamin Collins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2000 8:34 AM Subject: Re: List Courtesy (was Newbie question) - Original Message - From: "Jamin Collins"

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>> On Wed, 29 Nov 2000 22:13:18 -0100, >> "asantos" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: A> Robin's no geek. He's just ... Are you sure? This picture plus the signature makes me wonder... http://socha.net/Gnus/screenshots/mime.html -- Karl Vogel<[EMAIL PROT

RE: List Courtesy (was Newbie question)

Andy Bradford [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] writes: > - Be brief without being overly terse. When replying to > a message, > include enough original material to be understood but > no more. It > is extremely bad form to simply reply to a message by including > all the previou

Re: List Courtesy (was Newbie question)

Thus said Jamin Collins on Wed, 29 Nov 2000 12:45:04 CST: > > * 6 attribution lines > > Don't believe this is a requirement or violation of any RFC. If it is, > which one? > > > * No citation leader > > Once again. Don't believe this is a requirement or violation of any RFC. If > it is, whi

Re: List Courtesy (was Newbie question)

Am Mittwoch, 29. November 2000 19:01 schrieb Barley: > To Mr. Brauer, who seems on a quest to post nothing but flames here, we > realize that no one is paid staff here. But you flaming everyone who posts > doesn't help a thing. You should reread my mails. Then you would notice i gave somehow det

Re: List Courtesy (was Newbie question)

Am Mittwoch, 29. November 2000 17:22 schrieb Jamin Collins: > There is no need to refer to his posting as "such nonsense". Calling me an asshole on one hand (this weren't his words, it's just my conclusion) and asking me for help off-list does not fit. > Additionally, > there is no call/need

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"Robin S. Socha" wrote: > Indeed. Tell me, Jamin, does your inflatable sheep talk? If so, do you > wait for it to ask you for a fag, then repeat everything it said during > intercourse (including the funny noises your mother and the new neighbour > were making as well as the TV) and then ask if

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Thus said "asantos" on Wed, 29 Nov 2000 22:13:18 -0100: > For someone with such a doubtfull sense of humour as he shows to have > welcoming IE users the way he does at http://socha.net/, he seems to be > inordinately proud of listing among his "computer skills" Microsoft Office. Bah! That's a l

RE: List Courtesy (was Newbie question)

Louis Theran [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: > Really? Is this a digression because you've already contacted LWQ's > author with suggestions? Have you posted anything to this list about > the specific problems you had with INSTALL? No to both, because I have not yet completed my configurati

Re: List Courtesy (was Newbie question)

Such a list would pobably be ignored by the people that can really help. And sometimes the stupid questions aren't from newbies, they are from genuinely stupid lackwits like me. Anyway RTFM is usually good advice. Sometimes we really are lazy or busy setting up all kinds of crap on our systems an

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We old timers used to consider it rude to discuss anything but technical issues on a technical mailing list. If someone had a problem with someones manner of expression, or personality, they took it off list. Please do so in the future. sdb -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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really feeling useful fix it for them or give them some pointers. That's why free software and support are good. -- Tim > -Original Message- > From: Jamin Collins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2000 2:54 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE

Re: List Courtesy (was Newbie question)

From: Barley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Robin, you are decidedly an asshole. > >I can't believe how abusive you feel the need to be. Must stem from some >geek-angst I don't understand. You feel like you're so bloody smart because Robin's no geek. He's just a kid, and fairly ignorant at that. For examp

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> Maybe a "qmail-newbies"-list might be warranted? Here here. Then those who don't mind newbie level questions can answer those and others can ignore the list entirely. I think qmail-newbies list is a great idea. > -- > Robin S. Socha >

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On Wed, Nov 29, 2000 at 11:15:04AM -0800, Barley wrote: > > Greg, he's not calling people stupid for what they don't know, but for > > what they couldn't be bothered to try, for the effort they couldn't be > > bothered to expend when it's just so easy to try and get someone else > > to do the hard

Re: List Courtesy (was Newbie question)

On Wed, Nov 29, 2000 at 01:53:40PM -0600, Jamin Collins wrote: > Dave Sill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: > > You called the docs "highly inadequate", not "a little lacking when it > > comes to helping someone completely new to qmail". In my > > book, calling > > something highly inadequate *

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> "lusers" is a derogatory way to refer to system users by system administrators. Isn't it great the way English expands in this flexible way? ;) OK, so the people Robin likes to flame ARE "lusers"...my bad... whereas Robin him or herself is actually still a "loser" in the conventional sense.

RE: List Courtesy (was Newbie question)

Markus Stumpf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: On Wed, Nov 29, 2000 at 10:36:32AM -0800, Barley wrote: > > True > > intelligence is indicated by a broader understanding of > things, and the > > contributions that many different people have to offer. > > So ... this says that all those that ca

Re: List Courtesy (was Newbie question)

At 10:01 AM -0800 11/29/00, Barley wrote: >I want to second what was said here. The manuals are often inadequate for >newbies. I never would have gotten qmail set up without the patient and >generous help of those on this list. Thanks to everyone who helped me! I'm >sure glad I wasn't raked over t

Re: List Courtesy (was Newbie question)

[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jamin Collins) writes: > As for qmail, I will be the first to tell you that LWQ and the > installation instructions with qmail itself are for the most part > highly inadequate. I tried setting qmail up just from the > instructions included with the source twice, with no luck.

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* Barley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [001129 15:38]: > I dig. You folks who have done a lot of hard work and are knowledgable > should not have to do the work for newbies who can't be bothered. But the > easiest way to avoid exerting any effort on their behalf seems to me to be > to ignore them. This Robi

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* Barley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [001129 15:14]: > Well, some people would say you are a "luser" > (and it's loser, loser) Um, no. ``luser'' stands for ``local user'' originally. Of course, it's taken on something of a double entendre to describe the more clue-deprived o

RE: List Courtesy (was Newbie question)

Markus Stumpf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: > Sure, or don't answer them and get 10 eMails followed shortly > after like >"I still have the problem and no one helps me. This list > is sooo unpolite" I'm not saying that some of the user's are rude, or that they do not post statements lik

Re: List Courtesy (was Newbie question)

Barley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes on 29 November 2000 at 10:36:32 -0800 > Try to remember that there are a lot of fields of knowledge and that your > sweeping name-calling, that people are "too fscking stupid" etc is utterly > absurd. For all you know the people you call "stupid" because they

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* Dave Sill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Jamin Collins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I think newbies generally respond better to reward than punishment. E.g., > instead of: > Your mailer is broken. > I'd say something like: > Please don't include messages you're replying to as appendages t

RE: List Courtesy (was Newbie question)

Dave Sill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: > You called the docs "highly inadequate", not "a little lacking when it > comes to helping someone completely new to qmail". In my > book, calling > something highly inadequate *is* calling it bad. Now, we are getting into a matter of semantics. It

Re: List Courtesy (was Newbie question)

On Wed, 29 Nov 2000, Barley wrote: > > > The blind leading... C'mon, Jamin, you've had your 264 lines of fame. Now > > go away, will you? You're about to start a war you'll never understand. > > -- > Man, this Robin character is nuts. Coder-superiority syndrome big time. Why Damn, I forgot to br

Re: List Courtesy (was Newbie question)

On Wed, Nov 29, 2000 at 10:36:32AM -0800, Barley wrote: > True > intelligence is indicated by a broader understanding of things, and the > contributions that many different people have to offer. So ... this says that all those that cannot describe their problems properly are idiots, because they

RE: List Courtesy (was Newbie question)

Jamin Collins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes on 29 November 2000 at 10:10:56 -0600 > How exactly is my MUA broken? > > I've included the original text of the message I've responded to. I've > simply chosen not to add anything to the beginning of each line of the > original message. Well, you'r

Re: List Courtesy (was Newbie question)

Dave Sill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes on 29 November 2000 at 13:32:36 -0500 > Jamin Collins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >I may be out of line here. However, this is not the first time I've seen > >snappy rude responses from people in response to others asking for help. I > >am simply quo

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On Wed, Nov 29, 2000 at 10:10:56AM -0600, Jamin Collins wrote: > If you see the questions of users on this list as bothersome, I'm sorry. > However, as membership to the list is voluntary, you are not being forced to > read them. In short, if you don't like them, don't read them. Sure, or don'

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Ok, I have read the whole thread now. We had that before and we will have that in the future. As for the experience needed to set up qmail: I have recommended qmail to some 5-10 people with different experiences. Some never set up a mail server but have some Unix experience, some were new t

RE: List Courtesy (was Newbie question)

(excuse my outlook 2000) > -Original Message- > From: Jamin Collins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2000 9:47 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: List Courtesy (was Newbie question) > > > I may be out of line here. However, this is

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> Greg, he's not calling people stupid for what they don't know, but for > what they couldn't be bothered to try, for the effort they couldn't be > bothered to expend when it's just so easy to try and get someone else > to do the hard work. > > -Matt Matt, I dig. You folks who have done a lot o

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Greg, he's not calling people stupid for what they don't know, but for what they couldn't be bothered to try, for the effort they couldn't be bothered to expend when it's just so easy to try and get someone else to do the hard work. -Matt -- | Matthew J. Brown - Senior Network Administrator - N

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I want to second what was said here. The manuals are often inadequate for newbies. I never would have gotten qmail set up without the patient and generous help of those on this list. Thanks to everyone who helped me! I'm sure glad I wasn't raked over the coals like some of the recent posters. To

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Robin, you are decidedly an asshole. I can't believe how abusive you feel the need to be. Must stem from some geek-angst I don't understand. You feel like you're so bloody smart because you spend most of your waking hours in front of a computer and can make people who don't feel stupid. Well, som

Re: List Courtesy (was Newbie question)

* Greg Owen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >* Some other luser: >> How exactly is my MUA broken? > It isn't, the user is broken. Indeed. Tell me, Jamin, does your inflatable sheep talk? If so, do you wait for it to ask you for a fag, then repeat everything it said during intercourse (including

RE: List Courtesy (was Newbie question)

Robin S. Socha [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: > * Jamin Collins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > How exactly is my MUA broken? > > * Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" And which RFC does this violate? > * No reference headers (*GREAT* for breaking archives) I've checked RFC 8

RE: List Courtesy (was Newbie question)

Dave Sill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] writes: > I'm not a big fan of newbie smackdowns, though a repeat > offendor might > warrant one. I think newbies generally respond better to reward than > punishment. E.g., instead of: > > Your mailer is broken. > > I'd say something like: > > Please

Re: List Courtesy (was Newbie question)

On Wed, Nov 29, 2000 at 08:47:25AM -0600, Jamin Collins wrote: > I realize, as do most of the user's posting, that support here is provided > by individuals donating their time of their own free will. All I ask is > that common courtesy be extended to those asking for help. This suresh guy routi

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Jamin Collins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >As for the statement you claim I made "the docs are all so bad because i >couldn't install qmail with >them", I did not say this. I simply stated that I was unsuccessfull in my >attempts to install qmail using them. I did not state they were bad, I eve

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> > How exactly is my MUA broken? > > It isn't, the user is broken. The user incorrectly decided that > everyone would just love to see the full text of the original message > (perhaps in case they inexplicably missed it the first time!), and that it > needed no marking to make it clear to read

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> The blind leading... C'mon, Jamin, you've had your 264 lines of fame. Now > go away, will you? You're about to start a war you'll never understand. > -- Man, this Robin character is nuts. Coder-superiority syndrome big time. Why is it that tech geeks are so sure that their field of knowledge is

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Warren Small <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >I have not tried to install using LWQ but I couldn't >help but notice some differences in the way things are installed using LWQ >versus the INSTALL files. Now which is right? Question: Which of the following is the right way to remove a file in the curr

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"John W. Lemons III" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > The mind boggles at how important their work is that they are unable > to help, yet they have plenty of time to post novella's about how > busy they are and how lazy you are for not solving the problem > without their help. This shows just how m

Re: List Courtesy (was Newbie question)

Jamin Collins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >I may be out of line here. However, this is not the first time I've seen >snappy rude responses from people in response to others asking for help. I >am simply quoting this message as it is the most recent. I'm not a big fan of newbie smackdowns, thoug

RE: List Courtesy (was Newbie question)

00 11:34 AM To: John W. Lemons III Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: List Courtesy (was Newbie question) "John W. Lemons III" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > The mind boggles at how important their work is that they are unable > to help, yet they have plenty of time to post nove

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Jamin Collins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > How exactly is my MUA broken? > > I've included the original text of the message I've responded to. I've > simply chosen not to add anything to the beginning of each line of the > original message. Hence the breakage. Netiquette dictates that replies

RE: List Courtesy (was Newbie question)

ut the damn server tells me I'm not subscribed so it can't unsubscribe me. Go figure. -Original Message- From: Jamin Collins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2000 10:22 AM To: 'Henning Brauer'; Jamin Collins; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: List

Re: List Courtesy (was Newbie question)

on 11/29/00 11:22 AM, Jamin Collins at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > As such, asking for help (whether on the right list or not) is in no way > wrong. Berating someone for doing so is rude. It might also be considered rude to post to the wrong list, or to ask for help without providing useful info

Re: List Courtesy (was Newbie question)

* Jamin Collins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > How exactly is my MUA broken? * Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" * No reference headers (*GREAT* for breaking archives) * 6 attribution lines * No citation leader * Trailing blank line > I've included the original text of the messa

Re: List Courtesy (was Newbie question)

>Sometimes I wonder what brings people like you to posting this whining >luser shit over and over and over again? This is not your new-age pink >treehuggers society - this is a technical discussion list. IT-Darwinism, >y'know? Survival of the brightest and, like, stuff. Huh-huh. >-- >Robin S. Soch

RE: List Courtesy (was Newbie question)

> How exactly is my MUA broken? It isn't, the user is broken. The user incorrectly decided that everyone would just love to see the full text of the original message (perhaps in case they inexplicably missed it the first time!), and that it needed no marking to make it clear to readers t

RE: List Courtesy (was Newbie question)

TED]] Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2000 10:04 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: List Courtesy (was Newbie question) on 11/29/00 9:47 AM, Jamin Collins at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > All I ask is that common courtesy be extended to those asking for help. The people who often provide help simply ex

RE: List Courtesy (was Newbie question)

for at least a few. Jamin W. Collins -Original Message- From: Henning Brauer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2000 9:35 AM To: Jamin Collins; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: List Courtesy (was Newbie question) I don't see your problem. he was on the wrong l

Re: List Courtesy (was Newbie question)

on 11/29/00 11:10 AM, Jamin Collins at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > If you see the questions of users on this list as bothersome, I'm sorry. > However, as membership to the list is voluntary, you are not being forced to > read them. In short, if you don't like them, don't read them. Sure. And if

Re: List Courtesy (was Newbie question)

on 11/29/00 9:47 AM, Jamin Collins at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > All I ask is that common courtesy be extended to those asking for help. The people who often provide help simply expect the same sort of courtesy. Remember who's doing whom the favor, and that this list is about qmail, not Unix. I

RE: List Courtesy (was Newbie question)

00 9:19 AM To: qmail mailing list Subject: Re: List Courtesy (was Newbie question) * Jamin Collins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> whines: > I may be out of line here. However, this is not the first time I've > seen snappy rude responses from people in response to others asking > for

Re: List Courtesy (was Newbie question)

I don't see your problem. he was on the wrong list as this is qmail-ldap specific. he posted to the qmail-ldap list too, so nobody can tell me he didn't know about this list. I answered anyway. I asked him if the file mentioned in the error msg exists. if so, i requested more info than one lin

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