Re: [ntp:questions] questions] questions] Ntpq.exe memory issue with windows 2019

2020-11-02 Thread David J Taylor
From: juergen perlinger [] If running NTP, Windows Time Service should be disabled anyway. !!! s/should/MUST/ !!! 1.) two services competing for port 123/UDP is a bad idea. 2.) Two services trying to adjust the clock is an even worse idea! = Yes, indeed! This was

Re: [ntp:questions] questions] Ntpq.exe memory issue with windows 2019

2020-10-30 Thread David J Taylor
Hi, Yes The issue goes away if I disable the execution of ntpq.exe, Please check the link I have shared in my earlier comment. I'm tracking the problem down and so far I have found that the issue doesn't occur if you have the windows time service disabled. === If

Re: [ntp:questions] questions] Ntpq.exe memory issue with windows 2019

2020-10-23 Thread David J Taylor
Thanks for your report. On a newly installed PC running Windows-10 Pro, using standard NTP I see a loss of "Available" memory of about 16 kB per ntpq invocation. Numbers: running ntpq in a Perl script. This Perl script is called (with different parameters) four times for each node. I'm

Re: [ntp:questions] Ntpq.exe memory issue with windows 2019

2020-10-22 Thread David J Taylor
-Original Message- From: Sadique Urf Arbaz Sayyed We started with a brand new windows server 2019 datacenter edition and installed an infrastructure monitoring agent on it and strictly no other program. The machine had 8 GB of memory. As part of monitoring NTP offset from sync'd host we

Re: [ntp:questions] Realistic Performance Expectation for GPS PPS fed ntpd jitter

2020-10-08 Thread David J Taylor
Hello, I wonder what's a realistic ballpark for the jitter I can expect when feeding a GPS PPS into ntpd? [] Thanks, regards Andreas === Andreas, I have some offset plots here: https://www.satsignal.eu/mrtg/performance_ntp.php and a few experimental clock

Re: [ntp:questions] questions] Local Time NTP Server

2020-09-16 Thread David J Taylor
Why? Repetition? Is PST time also annoying? Universal Time Coordinate time is not really repetitious anyway, since the noun is Coordinate. And UTC time means the type of time defined by UTC-- since there are lots of other types of time one could use-- including decimal time ( 100 sec/min/

Re: [ntp:questions] [HINT]: NTP server installation

2020-09-03 Thread David J Taylor
Hi Team, I am new to NTP . I want to estimate my machines configurtion that can be good enough to run NTP server and give time to the network nodes. 1.Is NTP package comes with Ubuntu 14 version or I only need to install it from internet. 2. Basically I do not have internet connction on my

Re: [ntp:questions] questions] Performance estimation

2020-06-17 Thread David J Taylor
From: Dan Drown The system's time (kernel "clocksource") on the RPI is actually not running at the same speed as the CPU clock. From dmesg: arch_timer: cp15 timer(s) running at 19.20MHz (phys). This gives you around 52ns of resolution. I believe it's the same on all the rpi models. I

Re: [ntp:questions] questions] Time syncing with something other than ntpd

2017-02-02 Thread David J Taylor
There is a Garmin GPS 18x High-Sensitivity LVC Sensor 010-00321-36 for sale on eBay here: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Garmin-GPS-18x-High-Sensitivity-LVC-Sensor-010-00321 -36-/77215324?hash=item33c0c1245c:g:L-gAAOSwOyJX-6Dn=mtr for only $45.86 USD, $59.99 C in Canada. I bought one from eBay for

Re: [ntp:questions] questions] MSF Anthorn, UK down

2014-05-27 Thread David J Taylor
It is there: http://www.npl.co.uk/science-technology/time-frequency/products-and-services/time/msf-outages Greetings, = .. and about time, too! Thanks, David -- SatSignal Software - Quality software written to your requirements Web:

Re: [ntp:questions] questions] Automatic time synchronization of local hw clock.

2014-04-19 Thread David J Taylor
Op 15 apr. 2014, om 08:32 heeft David Taylor david-tay...@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid het volgende geschreven: On 15/04/2014 07:24, William Unruh wrote: [] No, I meant that Windows at least did (pre Win7?) use local time as system time. And I seem to recall that even now it can use localtime as

Re: [ntp:questions] questions] Cross-compiling NTP for the Raspberry Pi

2014-02-18 Thread David J Taylor
From: Charles Swiger Yes, you need to add --with-yielding_select=yes. (Or no, depending on what select() does on the target platform.) ./configure normally runs a set of tests to figure all of this stuff out, but those tests need to run on the target and not on the build platform when

Re: [ntp:questions] questions] WinNT Port Performance Counter Stability and Drift

2013-11-09 Thread David J Taylor
From: Charles Elliott Cc: questions@lists.ntp.org The result of reading the timestamp counter can vary wildly due to EIST (speed step technology), turbo modes, and owner overclocking, in addition to differences in CPUs, as noted. There is quite a bit about this on the Internet. As I recall,

Re: [ntp:questions] questions] GPS/PPS and enable calibrate

2013-09-06 Thread David J Taylor
Sorry for top posting, but Outlook is quoting things correctly. I did check out your site and based my original setup on it. Lots of impressive stuff there! The part I couldn't figure out the fudge time2 values. Using the one that was pointed out to me by Wolfgang is working very nicely

Re: [ntp:questions] Bug 2314, Clock jitter reads zero in the loopstats file

2013-01-09 Thread David J Taylor
I checked my home FreeBSD 8.2 NTP server for the clk_jitter reads zero bug, and yes, I see it too when using PPS kernel discipline. server 127.127.22.1 flag3 1 http://www.eecis.udel.edu/~mills/ntp/html/drivers/driver22.html So, I need to understand what Controls the kernel PPS discipline

Re: [ntp:questions] questions] Timing issue with Linux and kernel PPS?

2012-11-23 Thread David J Taylor
David, running RPi with GPS+PPS here. I compiled my own kernel and the one major gotcha I had was an RTFM issue. The kernel used on the RPi is not the compressed vmlinuz kernel used on PC's. I recompiled my kernel 10 times or more before I went back scouring the 'net to find out the kernel in

Re: [ntp:questions] questions] Leapsecond on FreeBSD or Windows - no showstopper bugs, but ...

2012-07-05 Thread David J Taylor
For maximum eventlog/syslog/ntp.log verbosity: logconfig =clockall +peerall +syncall +sysall If you're using recent 4.2.7 and don't expect to ever use older versions, you can abbreviate: logconfig =allall The default without logconfig is: logconfig =syncall Cheers, Dave Hart

Re: [ntp:questions] questions] Leapsecond on FreeBSD or Windows - no showstopper bugs, but ...

2012-07-04 Thread David J Taylor
Dave Hart wrote in message news:CAMbSiYAqZsDnuNtcyYGn1XU0JBcK4DB3DHUVnsOiJy6hop6w=w...@mail.gmail.com... On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 06:20 UTC, David J Taylor wrote: Presumably, Dave, if the leap second /had/ been inserted, the second message would not have happened? The would have gone

Re: [ntp:questions] questions] Leapsecond on FreeBSD or Windows - no showstopper bugs, but ...

2012-07-03 Thread David J Taylor
Dave Hart wrote in message news:CAMbSiYByhGbjTzN8HXwuJVd_1_ez_J-HWE0BNF=ivf_e8_f...@mail.gmail.com... [] So there are at least two problems here. First the insertion is not happening, second when a 1s step occurs later, there's a would have gone backward that shouldn't be reported. I have an

[ntp:questions] Leapsecond on FreeBSD or Windows - no showstopper bugs, but ...

2012-07-01 Thread David J Taylor
For what it's worth, I saw no showstopper bugs with either my FreeBSD or Windows systems. - The FreeBSD 8.2 fed from the Garmin GPS 18 LVC behaved perfectly. ntpd 4.2.7p255 - The Windows PCs fed from either Garmin GPS 18/x LVC or Sure Electronics GPS boards appear to have reset itself some

Re: [ntp:questions] questions] Leapsecond on FreeBSD or Windows - no showstopper bugs, but ...

2012-07-01 Thread David J Taylor
From: Dave Hart Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2012 5:12 PM To: David J Taylor [] As I mentioned on the pool list, I think there's a bug in the application of the leap second to the local clock in recent ntpd. Please check the event log on each of your Windows systems around the event. If everything

Re: [ntp:questions] questions] Leapsecond on FreeBSD or Windows - no showstopper bugs, but ...

2012-07-01 Thread David J Taylor
Dave Hart suggested I post the following event log information about leap second behaviour on various Windows stratum-1 and stratum-2 PCs here.. ___ Stratum-1 server PC Alta (Win-7/64 + Sure GPS) (runs 24 x 7) LevelDate and Time

Re: [ntp:questions] Leap second preparedness

2012-06-30 Thread David J Taylor
If your ntpd is relying upon other NTP servers (that is, is stratum 2 or higher), it will not announce the pending leap second starting exactly at midnight UTC in a few minutes, but should within a few polling intervals. With the default maximum interval of 1024 seconds being about 17 minutes,

Re: [ntp:questions] How to insert a leap second with ntpq

2012-06-28 Thread David J Taylor
Michael Tatarinov wrote in message news:CABrG=ZyThJQchY_q90vNk=mnfwzsjeu0eocjbn0h5ovrmxu...@mail.gmail.com... Interesting program but not necessary. ntpq need only. ntpd 4.2.7 ntpq mrv 1 99 srcadr,leap,refid or for old ntpd ntpq mrv 59605 59614 srcadr,leap,refid

[ntp:questions] ANN: UK GPS Jamming, Sennybridge, Wales - 2012-Sep-24 .. Oct-05

2012-06-27 Thread David J Taylor
Folks, I have received the following notice: __ NOTIFICATION OF A GPS JAMMING EXERCISE SENNYBRIDGE TRAINING AREA, WALES, DURING THE PERIOD 24 SEPTEMBER - 5 OCTOBER 2012 Details of Low Power Jamming. Dates: Between 24-28 September and 1-5

Re: [ntp:questions] questions] How to insert a leap second with ntpq

2012-06-27 Thread David J Taylor
Hi again David, I ran your Leap Trace program against my gps-based time servers and not one is showing a leap second pending. Not even this one that is leap-second configured. GPSCON is showing a leap second pending on my HP Z3801. This is very mysterious. R

Re: [ntp:questions] How to insert a leap second with ntpq

2012-06-21 Thread David J Taylor
With all this discussion of leap-seconds, perhaps it's timely to mention my simple tools for leap-second checking across servers. You will find NTP Leap trace here: http://www.satsignal.eu/software/net.htm#NTPLeapTrace At this instant, fewer than 1 in 10 of the remote servers I'm using are

[ntp:questions] ANN: UK MSF 60 kHz interruption, 2012 June 14

2012-06-01 Thread David J Taylor
Folks, I have received the following notice: __ Notice of Interruption to MSF 60 kHz Time and Frequency Signal The MSF 60 kHz time and frequency signal broadcast from Anthorn Radio Station will be shut down over the period: 14 June 2012 from 10:00 BST until

Re: [ntp:questions] Have Pi, have GPS = low powered NTP server?

2012-05-30 Thread David J Taylor
Hi. From the title, you might (maybe) guess this is about the Raspberry Pi, and NTP. I've only had the thing a few days, but been experimenting (playing) with the default NTP behaviour as seen with ntpq -p on the command line. [] It's said, that the RasPi, has about the same cpu grunt as a

[ntp:questions] Ofcom Update: UK GPS Jamming Notice

2012-05-30 Thread David J Taylor
I have received the following notice: __ NOTIFICATION OF GPS JAMMING EXERCISES RAF SPADEADAM, CUMBRIA, SEPTEMBER 2012 Dates: Between the 10th of Sept to the 14th of Sept 2012 inclusive. Times: 0700 -2000 GMT. Location of MULTIPLE jammers: Land

Re: [ntp:questions] offline machines' time synchronization

2012-05-25 Thread David J Taylor
Dave Hart h...@ntp.org wrote in message news:CAMbSiYBLnxaj_x4vch3eNDqwUDX+d5sGcHyr8zBe3Jh0C2K=y...@mail.gmail.com... On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 4:24 PM, Chris Albertson albertson.ch...@gmail.com wrote: Lots of good discussion here but I found an easy way to stay on-time while the Internet is down

Re: [ntp:questions] New to group: radio/audio interest

2012-05-09 Thread David J Taylor
I must admit I find NTP fascinating, depending on my mood. About 20 years ago I had written something that attempted to measure the drift in my computer's clock based on daily *manual* settings while listening to WWV or CHU. Room temperature was the biggest factor. I'm still interested in

Re: [ntp:questions] what is refid 78.79.86.76?

2012-04-24 Thread David J Taylor
Hi, i check ntp with ntpq -p and get: # ntpq -p remoterefidst t when poll reach delay offset jitter = LOCAL(0) .LOCL. 10 l 52 64 3770.000 0.000 0.001 *pluto.mydom 78.79.86.76

[ntp:questions] ntpq -crv gives results in local time, not UTC

2012-04-05 Thread David J Taylor
It seems that, on Windows at least, ntpq -crv gives results in local time, and not in UTC. Is that intended? Is there a switch for results in UTC? ntp 4.2.7p265 Thanks, David ___ questions mailing list questions@lists.ntp.org

Re: [ntp:questions] ntpq -crv gives results in local time, not UTC

2012-04-05 Thread David J Taylor
Dave Hart h...@ntp.org wrote in message news:cambsiyakrebebf3xkohy+v4dyavynqnmeymwhwhhu2ze1g1...@mail.gmail.com... On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 06:05, David J Taylor david-tay...@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid wrote: It seems that, on Windows at least, ntpq -crv gives results in local time, and not in UTC

Re: [ntp:questions] ATOM falseticker with flag3 enabled

2012-04-01 Thread David J Taylor
David Lord sn...@lordynet.org wrote in message news:t1bk49-6hi@me6000g.home.lordynet.org... [] I'm not sure which value you are referring to. From the ntpq -p billboard over a day, I see values of jitter of the GPS as low as 0.002 jitter No of 0.002156 0.003 50

Re: [ntp:questions] OK - You told me so! Amazing Sure gps performanceon real serial

2012-03-29 Thread David J Taylor
Hi all, I finally got around to attaching a serial cable to the motherboard header on my desktop computer and attaching the Sure gps to it. This NTP+GPS has been a long and winding road, and has been much more difficult to get a handle on than I anticipated, including ordering a number of

[ntp:questions] ANN: UK GPS Jamming update

2012-03-28 Thread David J Taylor
I have received the following notice ___ NOTIFICATION OF GPS JAMMING EXERCISES SCOTLAND, NORTH AND WEST COASTS, 16-26th APRIL 2012 Dates: Between 16 to 26 April 2012 inclusive. Times: Intermittent for 1hr slots between 0800BST and 2130BST. Location

Re: [ntp:questions] ANN: UK GPS Jamming update

2012-03-28 Thread David J Taylor
Just wondering: 1) Is the UK govt doing this? The notice is from a UK Government agency. 2) Is the USA doing anything similar? I would be surprised if they were not, but they may have more remote areas to carry out such tests. 3) What's the purpose? I understand that it's for the

Re: [ntp:questions] YEA! My Sure Electronics GPS just arrived.

2012-03-27 Thread David J Taylor
Hi David, See below. [] That's a great tip about PNG files. I never knew anything about them. They replaced GIF files for many purposes, and not only do they have full colour, they have better algorithms than GIF so may produce more compact files. IIRC the major reason for their

Re: [ntp:questions] performance testing sure gps board via usb serialconverter

2012-03-27 Thread David J Taylor
All these parameters and permutations are confusing, particularly if experimenting with Windows and Linux. Agreed! Thanks to David Taylor for encouraging me to experiment with interpolation, using the environment variable NTPD_USE_INTERP_DANGEROUS=1 to turn on and NTPD_USE_SYSTEM_CLOCK=1 to

Re: [ntp:questions] consistent negative offset with Garmin GPS 18x LVCand FreeBSD

2012-03-25 Thread David J Taylor
Kenyon Ralph ken...@kenyonralph.com wrote in message news:20120324223442.gd26...@kenyonralph.com... [text was an attachment] Please give details of your Internet connection. I wonder about asymmetrical trip delays. Cheers, David ___

Re: [ntp:questions] peerstat update frequency

2012-03-24 Thread David J Taylor
A C agcarver+...@acarver.net wrote in message news:4f6d5d8f.8080...@acarver.net... On 3/23/2012 20:48, unruh wrote: On 2012-03-24, A Cagcarver+...@acarver.net wrote: How often should an individual peer write an entry to the peerstat log? Is it supposed to occur every time the peer is

Re: [ntp:questions] YEA! My Sure Electronics GPS just arrived.

2012-03-24 Thread David J Taylor
I now have the PPS circuit working on the Sure board. I have not soldered it yet. I just taped a jumper wire between the PPS test point at the edge of the board and the DCD pin 1 on the RS-232 port. The serial data is coming in through the Trendnet TU-S9 serial - USB converter, which is

Re: [ntp:questions] YEA! My Sure Electronics GPS just arrived.

2012-03-24 Thread David J Taylor
Ron Frazier (NTP) timekeepingntpl...@c3energy.com wrote in message news:4f6dda72.30...@c3energy.com... [] Hi David, You appear to be up early. I'm curious to know what time this email says it arrived. If it says it arrived at about 1030, then that's my time. If it says it arrived at about

[ntp:questions] UK ANN: NOTIFICATION OF GPS JAMMING EXERCISES SALISBURY PLAIN, WILTSHIRE, 7TH MAY 2012

2012-03-23 Thread David J Taylor
NOTIFICATION OF GPS JAMMING EXERCISES SALISBURY PLAIN, WILTSHIRE, 7TH MAY 2012 Dates: Between the 7th of May and the 11th of May 2012 (Inclusive). Times: : 0700 - 2000 GMT. Location of MULTIPLE jammers: Land based within 5km of N51° 12', W001° 58.5'. Frequency: A 24 MHz band centred around

Re: [ntp:questions] YEA! My Sure Electronics GPS just arrived.

2012-03-23 Thread David J Taylor
Hi all, YEA! My Sure Electronics GPS just arrived. I ordered on 03/05/12 and it arrived on 03/23/12, so it took 18 days. [] I have a question for someone with experience with the board. If I unplug the board, will it retain it's programming, or will it lose it? If it retains it, how long

[ntp:questions] ANN UK: MSF 60KHz interruption - Mon Mar 26 - Fri Apr 06

2012-03-23 Thread David J Taylor
Folks, I have received notice that the MSF 60 KHz signal from Anthorn, Cumbria, UK will be off-air 08:00 UTC Mon 2012-Mar-26 to 20:00 2012-Apr-06. The service may be off-air continuously during the period, but will be restored overnight and at the weekend whenever possible. Cheers, David

Re: [ntp:questions] Any chance of getting bugs 2164 and 1577 moving?

2012-03-22 Thread David J Taylor
unruh un...@invalid.ca wrote in message news:xLHar.38386$iq1.34...@newsfe18.iad... [] Measure what? Why do you think that ntp reporting the offset with an extra three decimal points would allow you to measure anything? What in your mind would you expect to see in that output that would allow

Re: [ntp:questions] Any chance of getting bugs 2164 and 1577 moving?

2012-03-22 Thread David J Taylor
unruh un...@invalid.ca wrote in message news:uNJar.12581$qc3.8...@newsfe16.iad... [] Most likely I would be looking at a histogram of the reported offsets, and see whether it was gaussian, flat, or whatever, and how wide. I might learn something from that. No. Not if it is just noise. ..

Re: [ntp:questions] Any chance of getting bugs 2164 and 1577 moving?

2012-03-22 Thread David J Taylor
unruh un...@invalid.ca wrote in message news:7RLar.8362$yd7.6...@newsfe15.iad... [] If your system had a precision of -22, I could understand your annoyance that the reporting was just to usec. But since it is -19, I have much less understanding of why you are getting upset. That is what I am

Re: [ntp:questions] Any chance of getting bugs 2164 and 1577 moving?

2012-03-22 Thread David J Taylor
E-Mail Sent to this address will be added to the BlackLists Null@BlackList.Anitech-Systems.invalid wrote in message news:jkgjpo$vf$1...@dont-email.me... [] I checked two typical desktops here: ntpq -c rv 0 processor=x86, system=Windows, leap=00, stratum=3, precision=-21, ~477ns ? .. and I

Re: [ntp:questions] Any chance of getting bugs 2164 and 1577 moving?

2012-03-21 Thread David J Taylor
Harlan Stenn st...@ntp.org wrote in message news:e1sa6us-000kpj...@stenn.ntp.org... David wrote: 2164 needs discussion, unless altering the number of significant digits in the ntpq output wouldn't break anything. Do we need to have this discussion? I have looked through ntpq.c, but I can't

Re: [ntp:questions] PSYCHO PC clock is advancing at 2 HR per second

2012-03-21 Thread David J Taylor
unruh un...@invalid.ca wrote in message news:dG5ar.18461$pc1.11...@newsfe11.iad... [] No confusion. I understood completely. Ron had a machine on GPS which ran away. You got a report of a 1 sec slippage. The question is whether or not a 1 sec slippage in the GPS could trigger a runaway on a

Re: [ntp:questions] PSYCHO PC clock is advancing at 2 HR per second

2012-03-21 Thread David J Taylor
Ron Frazier (NTP) timekeepingntpl...@c3energy.com wrote in message news:4f692255.2020...@c3energy.com... On 3/20/2012 11:21 AM, David J Taylor wrote: [] You /will/ see variation in the serial output from the Sure device, as you will in many NMEA devices. For the Sure device, one measurement

Re: [ntp:questions] PSYCHO PC clock is advancing at 2 HR per second

2012-03-21 Thread David J Taylor
On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 06:49, David J Taylor wrote: (Is jitter RMS, SD, peak-to-peak?). NTP's jitter is root mean squares of offsets from the clock filter register (last 8 responses, more or less). Dave Hart Thanks, Dave. Makes good sense. Cheers, David

Re: [ntp:questions] Any chance of getting bugs 2164 and 1577 moving?

2012-03-21 Thread David J Taylor
Markus Schöpflin no.s...@spam.spam wrote in message news:jkc7l7$o9o$1...@speranza.aioe.org... Am 20.03.2012 13:46, schrieb Harlan Stenn: On Mar 20, 3:45=A0am, David J Taylordavid- tay...@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid wrote: Any chance of getting bug 2164 moving? =A0Greater precision needed for n=

Re: [ntp:questions] Any chance of getting bugs 2164 and 1577 moving?

2012-03-21 Thread David J Taylor
unruh un...@invalid.ca wrote in message news:itmar.5841$yd7@newsfe15.iad... [] But -19 is about 2 microseconds if I understand it correctly. That means that the clocks are incapable of delivering more than about 2 microseconds of accuracy. What is you that last decimal digit of accuracy in

Re: [ntp:questions] PSYCHO PC clock is advancing at 2 HR per second

2012-03-21 Thread David J Taylor
Ron Frazier (NTP) timekeepingntpl...@c3energy.com wrote in message news:4f69e531.7070...@c3energy.com... [] C) What your ntp plotter plots as the red line on the jitter tab with a loopstats file. Not sure how that's derived. Red-line: jitter straight out of the loopstats data. Scale on

Re: [ntp:questions] Any chance of getting bugs 2164 and 1577 moving?

2012-03-21 Thread David J Taylor
Harlan Stenn st...@ntp.org wrote in message news:e1satsh-000mhb...@stenn.ntp.org... My take is the precision output might say your device is -19 so you know its accuracy is around 2/microseconds. But the offset several decimal places allows you to see its ever changing accuracy within that

Re: [ntp:questions] Any chance of getting bugs 2164 and 1577 moving?

2012-03-21 Thread David J Taylor
Richard B. Gilbert rgilber...@comcast.net wrote in message [] Since this is an all volunteer service, the fastest, and maybe the only, way to get this enhancement is to write the code yourself! If you lack programming skills you could try paying someone to do it. Richard, I do have

Re: [ntp:questions] PSYCHO PC clock is advancing at 2 HR per second

2012-03-20 Thread David J Taylor
unruh un...@invalid.ca wrote in message news:JDU9r.22132$_c5.11...@newsfe09.iad... [] Of course the question still is why in the world did the system go nuts when it was on Local. That itself should not have happened. If some software had told the system clock to run fast, it simply stays

[ntp:questions] Any chance of getting bugs 2164 and 1577 moving?

2012-03-20 Thread David J Taylor
Any chance of getting bug 2164 moving? Greater precision needed for ntpq offset report. http://bugs.ntp.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2164 While I'm asking, nothing seems to have happened with bug 1577 in over 18 months. Request that SNMP support be added for the Windows port

Re: [ntp:questions] Any chance of getting bugs 2164 and 1577 moving?

2012-03-20 Thread David J Taylor
Harlan Stenn st...@ntp.org wrote in message news:e1s9ysb-000kqp...@stenn.ntp.org... On Mar 20, 3:45=A0am, David J Taylor david- tay...@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid wrote: Any chance of getting bug 2164 moving? =A0Greater precision needed for n= tpq offset report. =A0http://bugs.ntp.org

Re: [ntp:questions] PSYCHO PC clock is advancing at 2 HR per second

2012-03-20 Thread David J Taylor
Ron Frazier (NTP) timekeepingntpl...@c3energy.com wrote in message [] Hypothetically speaking, what if I don't want it to distribute time if it's working in internet mode? Run a Perl script one a minute, looking for the GPS line in ntpq -p output, and if the tally code isn't * (or whatever,

Re: [ntp:questions] Any chance of getting bugs 2164 and 1577 moving?

2012-03-20 Thread David J Taylor
It seems that the types of different variables are stored in a table, and offset has type FL. Latter on, there is a block of code like this: case FL: output(fp, name,

Re: [ntp:questions] PSYCHO PC clock is advancing at 2 HR per second

2012-03-20 Thread David J Taylor
[] David Taylor is right that it is normal for Windows to keep running the clock at whatever rate was last set after the program setting the rate goes away. It's also true that Windows does not have any rate limits itself -- you can easily tell Windows to advance the clock 1 usec per tick

Re: [ntp:questions] PSYCHO PC clock is advancing at 2 HR per second

2012-03-20 Thread David J Taylor
unruh un...@invalid.ca wrote in message news:d13ar.7952$gv1.7...@newsfe12.iad... [] It is really really hard to imagine any gps device doing that. Yes, I agree, and yet what just popped up in my mail box but a reference to: an inexplicable 1 second slip of 3 GPS based NTP time sources. I

Re: [ntp:questions] PSYCHO PC clock is advancing at 2 HR per second

2012-03-20 Thread David J Taylor
unruh un...@invalid.ca wrote in message news:Ur4ar.15722$iq1.15...@newsfe18.iad... On 2012-03-20, David J Taylor david-tay...@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid wrote: unruh un...@invalid.ca wrote in message news:d13ar.7952$gv1.7...@newsfe12.iad... [] It is really really hard to imagine any gps device

Re: [ntp:questions] site with lots of GPS's and accessories

2012-03-19 Thread David J Taylor
Hi all, I was doing some GPS research and found this site with lots of GPS's and accessories. Just thought I'd pass it along. http://www.gpssensors.com/ I don't know which ones are timing GPS's. Sincerely, Ron Ron, The one I recognise as being a timing GPS with PPS and suitable for NTP

Re: [ntp:questions] ARRGH!!! I woke up to a 50 SECOND clock error.

2012-03-18 Thread David J Taylor
I prefer fiber: 50/50 Mbit, very consistent ping times of a couple of ms to most no.pool.ntp.org servers. :-) Cost is about $75/month. Terje Maybe I should move to Norway! You are lucky! I pay US $48 (equivalent) for my 30/1 service! Cheers, David

Re: [ntp:questions] ARRGH!!! I woke up to a 50 SECOND clock error.

2012-03-18 Thread David J Taylor
Ron Frazier (NTP) timekeepingntpl...@c3energy.com wrote in message news:4f65006d.4090...@c3energy.com... [] Come to think of it, my comment about the polling interval not increasing may only apply to a local refclock, not a local server. You may be right - all the servers on this test system

Re: [ntp:questions] ARRGH!!! I woke up to a 50 SECOND clock error.

2012-03-18 Thread David J Taylor
Rob nom...@example.com wrote in message news:slrnjmbdn3.9ce.nom...@xs8.xs4all.nl... Uwe Klein u...@klein-habertwedt.de wrote: Regular DSL here has quite large and spread line delays though speed is much higher delay is similar or slightly larger than forex ISDN. PING 87.186.242.38

Re: [ntp:questions] NTPD_USE_INTERP_DANGEROUS was ARRGH!!! I woke up to a 50 SECOND clock error.

2012-03-18 Thread David J Taylor
Ron Frazier (NTP) timekeepingntpl...@c3energy.com wrote in message news:4f65ee78.20...@c3energy.com... I'm forking the subject line, which didn't really seem relevant any more. more below [] http://www.satsignal.eu/ntp/Win-8+Internet.html [] From my point of view, those look pretty good.

Re: [ntp:questions] NTPD_USE_INTERP_DANGEROUS was ARRGH!!! I woke up to a 50 SECOND clock error.

2012-03-18 Thread David J Taylor
Ron Frazier (NTP) timekeepingntpl...@c3energy.com wrote in message news:4f65ee78.20...@c3energy.com... I'm forking the subject line, which didn't really seem relevant any more. more below [] http://www.satsignal.eu/ntp/Win-8+Internet.html [] From my point of view, those look pretty good.

Re: [ntp:questions] ARRGH!!! I woke up to a 50 SECOND clock error.

2012-03-17 Thread David J Taylor
Terje Mathisen terje.mathisen at tmsw.no wrote in message news:is9e39-6ve2@ntp6.tmsw.no... [] You should never accept much more than 10:1 speed difference between down and up. Terje Should - I agree. But in the UK from Virgin Media I have 30 Mb/s down, 1 Mb/s up. I have been promised

Re: [ntp:questions] ARRGH!!! I woke up to a 50 SECOND clock error.

2012-03-17 Thread David J Taylor
John Hasler jhas...@newsguy.com wrote in message news:87sjh7mlqs@thumper.dhh.gt.org... David J Taylor writes: But in the UK from Virgin Media I have 30 Mb/s down, 1 Mb/s up. I have been promised an upload speed increase about 18 months ago to 2 Mb/s up, which is more sensible

Re: [ntp:questions] ARRGH!!! I woke up to a 50 SECOND clock error.

2012-03-17 Thread David J Taylor
You'd get less jitter with DSL. -- John Hasler John, You have piqued my interest. I have just set up a Windows-8 PC with an ntp configuration not dissimilar to Ron's, in that it's using purely Internet servers but trying to monitor a local stratum-1 server as well. In essence:

Re: [ntp:questions] ARRGH!!! I woke up to a 50 SECOND clock error.

2012-03-17 Thread David J Taylor
Ron Frazier (NTP) timekeepingntpl...@c3energy.com wrote in message news:4f64d793.9010...@c3energy.com... [] Hi David, I'm not sure what will happen if you simultaneously prefer and noselect the local server. Assuming the local stratum 1 server is the most stable time source, you'll get a

Re: [ntp:questions] ARRGH!!! I woke up to a 50 SECOND clock error.

2012-03-15 Thread David J Taylor
Hi David, I really appreciate all these suggestions you shared, as well as past ones. Based somewhat on been there, done that! If I decide to revamp my network, I'll probably put some of them into use. However, that's not really practical right now. All the networking gear is in the

Re: [ntp:questions] ARRGH!!! I woke up to a 50 SECOND clock error.

2012-03-15 Thread David J Taylor
Ron Frazier (NTP) timekeepingntpl...@c3energy.com wrote in message news:4f61168b.8030...@c3energy.com... [] PS to my prior message. I don't think the problem so much is the delay to the internet servers, or even to get out of my house. NTPD is supposed to take care of that as long as it's

Re: [ntp:questions] Loopstats update - how often?

2012-03-15 Thread David J Taylor
On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 07:56, David J Taylor wrote: If I have a configuration including: _ server 192.168.0.7 minpoll 5 maxpoll 5iburst server 0.uk.pool.ntp.org iburst minpoll 10 _ how often should the loopstats

Re: [ntp:questions] Sure gps looses all sattelite fixes

2012-03-15 Thread David J Taylor
Is that unit compatible with the Sure board? Wouldn't you need some sort of antenna connector adapter? Will the Sure board provide power to it? Sincerely, Ron - compatible, probably. Is +26 gain dB enough? It's the lower end of specifications for puck antennas. - adapter required,

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP, SNMP on FreeBSD 8.2

2012-03-15 Thread David J Taylor
David J Taylor david-tay...@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid wrote in message news:jjqdat$82m$1...@dont-email.me... Folks, I'm interested to know whether my install of NTP on FreeBSD 8.2 includes SNMP support or not. If it doesn't, then I may try a recompile, but first: 1 - can anyone point me

Re: [ntp:questions] ARRGH!!! I woke up to a 50 SECOND clock error.

2012-03-15 Thread David J Taylor
Ron Frazier (NTP) timekeepingntpl...@c3energy.com wrote in message news:4f61e4df.4080...@c3energy.com... [] I mainly meant that operating conditions will vary the frequency of the oscillator. Speaking of which, is there a way to run ntpd and have it NOT adjust the clock at all, but still

Re: [ntp:questions] Loopstats update - how often?

2012-03-15 Thread David J Taylor
unruh un...@invalid.ca wrote in message news:Fdo8r.12214$v11.9...@newsfe20.iad... [] The clock filter selects the data with the smallest round trip time, to fix the problem with asymmetric round trips (on the theory tht the shortest time is more likely to be symmetric round trip). The filter is

Re: [ntp:questions] ARRGH!!! I woke up to a 50 SECOND clock error.

2012-03-14 Thread David J Taylor
Hi David, OK, you've convinced me. I've put noselect on the GPS and taken it away on the New York NIST server. The NY NIST server is now preferred and polling from 1 - 4 minutes. Hopefully they won't ban me for hitting it too often. I think the NIST server will have more jitter,

Re: [ntp:questions] ARRGH!!! I woke up to a 50 SECOND clock error.

2012-03-14 Thread David J Taylor
unruh un...@invalid.ca wrote in message news:I1T7r.36416$l12.35...@newsfe23.iad... [] Did you shut down and restart your computer? Did you perchance do this during the daylight savings time transition on a Windows system? Could the error be related to the fact that Windows like time on

Re: [ntp:questions] Offset Average (Normal)?

2012-03-14 Thread David J Taylor
Alby VA alb...@empire.org wrote in message news:2ece7b6a-e150-432d-b23a-a4bde46df...@j11g2000yqj.googlegroups.com... [] Hm, what do you think about this command for getting loopstat data? tail -n1 -r loopstats | awk '{print $3}' tail -n1 -r loopstats = This looks at the last line of the

Re: [ntp:questions] Offset Average (Normal)?

2012-03-14 Thread David J Taylor
Alby VA alb...@empire.org wrote in message news:0d4f588e-bab6-4706-826e-299149054...@i2g2000vbv.googlegroups.com... [] Thanks. That bug report sounds like the best plan of attack. Can that bug report be tracked to see if any action is taken? Yes, it's number 2164. See:

Re: [ntp:questions] ARRGH!!! I woke up to a 50 SECOND clock error.

2012-03-14 Thread David J Taylor
Hi David, OK. You asked for it. 8-) Well, I actually suggested /all/ the Internet servers being enabled, allowing NTP to make its best choice. When I'm through testing, I'll open up the other internet servers as a backup in case the GPS fails. For now, I'm just running with one clock

Re: [ntp:questions] Offset Average (Normal)?

2012-03-14 Thread David J Taylor
Alby VA alb...@empire.org wrote in message news:ed7bfa7e-3754-43f0-bd72-0efc709cd...@s7g2000yqm.googlegroups.com... [] http://bugs.ntp.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2164 Thanks. I'm going to watch and see what comes of this bug. I agree, the ntpq output should be able to give you nanosecond

[ntp:questions] NTP, SNMP on FreeBSD 8.2

2012-03-14 Thread David J Taylor
Folks, I'm interested to know whether my install of NTP on FreeBSD 8.2 includes SNMP support or not. If it doesn't, then I may try a recompile, but first: 1 - can anyone point me to the correct place to download the appropriate MIB? I did find:

Re: [ntp:questions] ARRGH!!! I woke up to a 50 SECOND clock error.

2012-03-14 Thread David J Taylor
Ron Frazier (NTP) timekeepingntpl...@c3energy.com wrote in message news:4f60bc0c.8040...@c3energy.com... [] OK. Here are the loopstats from another computer for 7 days (in the chart). I don't have any peerstats for it. It has the same server list. One is preferred. All servers are active.

Re: [ntp:questions] ARRGH!!! I woke up to a 50 SECOND clock error.

2012-03-14 Thread David J Taylor
unruh un...@invalid.ca wrote in message news:HI48r.39505$zd5.1...@newsfe12.iad... On 2012-03-14, David J Taylor wrote: [] Windows uses UTC internally, not local time. Local time is simply a presentation layer issue. Windows is unaffected by a DST transition. That must be new, since

Re: [ntp:questions] ARRGH!!! I woke up to a 50 SECOND clock error.

2012-03-14 Thread David J Taylor
Hi David T, NOW you understand. I have 4 PC's connected to the LAN, plus my wife's work computer 3 days / week, and on rare occasions my son's computer. All are connected by wifi. All do pretty mundane things: web browser, email, sometimes downloading patches, sometimes doing online

Re: [ntp:questions] Sure gps looses all sattelite fixes

2012-03-14 Thread David J Taylor
unruh un...@invalid.ca wrote in message news:wf78r.33384$kv1.26...@newsfe03.iad... [] Just wanted to report here. I switched the antennae on the two Sure GPS I have. Both worked fine for about 4 days, and suddenly the antenna that had failed before failed again-- no sattelites found. So, I am

Re: [ntp:questions] Offset Average (Normal)?

2012-03-13 Thread David J Taylor
Alby VA alb...@empire.org wrote in message news:66d5d8bc-f063-4f3e-a6d8-676a9b045...@w1g2000vbx.googlegroups.com... [] The Stratum 0 devices is SureGPS and its running on FreeBSD as the OS and AMD for the chip. FreeBSD godzilla.empire.org 9.0-RELEASE FreeBSD 9.0-RELEASE #0: Tue Feb 21

Re: [ntp:questions] Offset Average (Normal)?

2012-03-13 Thread David J Taylor
Alby VA alb...@empire.org wrote in message news:7824f31d-b72c-44eb-9eeb-b219a7543...@gr6g2000vbb.googlegroups.com... [] ntp2.usno.navy. .USNO. 1 u 11h 1280 21.392 11.022 0.000 -ntp0.usno.navy. .USNO. 1 u 512 128 370 25.747 -0.242 3.378 +ntp1.usno.navy.

Re: [ntp:questions] Offset Average (Normal)?

2012-03-13 Thread David J Taylor
Okay. My whole understanding of NTP and Clocks is now becoming clearer. My apologies, I'm still a n00b. So what you are saying is the GPS time via the SureGPS device is now being ignored and the time of my machine is now being held in check by the PPS signal? If yes, does that mean seeing

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