Whether one chooses to wear lycra, wool, themed jerseys, London Fog
jackets, togas, cycling-specific shoes or sandals - or not - shouldn't be a
point of divisiveness.
It has always struck me that the point was to break down the elitism of
opinion which said that to be a serious cyclist, you
Nuthin' but net, sir.
Nice work.
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Yes - that is the generally accepted pedigree:
B'stone XO
begat
Rivendell A/R
begat
Rivenedell Atlantis
begat
Rivendell Sam Hillborne (canti)
- J
On Saturday, January 18, 2014 10:55:23 AM UTC-8, jinxed wrote:
From an All Rounder owner...the closest current model would be the
Atlantis.
Ha! Pretty sure I spotted/cataloged that one in the wild back in '09
go here - scroll down:
http://cyclofiend.com/rbw/quickbeam/
saddle and bars look pretty much the same. photo was with my phone at the
time, which had a hinge in it, so any visual imperfections are likely
hardware based...
-
A lot of it has to do with how hard you ride. I know 135 pounders that eat
wheels like free nachos and 17 stone riders who dance like gauzy ghosts and
never bend a rim. If you are hard on wheels, then 40 might be necessary.
I've never spoken with a wheelbuilder who felt strongly that 4 cross
-- were certainly more road biased than dirt
biased, John Stamstead notwithstanding.
It seems to me that the Sam Hill is much more genetically similar to the
XOs than the Atlantis, as far as I understand the Atlantis.
On Sat, Jan 18, 2014 at 12:09 PM, Cyclofiend Jim
cyclo
Just a quick heads up that there are currently two (2) (TWO!) burgeoning
RBW Jamborees gaining steam at this point:
RBW 20th Anniversary Gathering and Entmoot -- SF Bay edition
thread -
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rbw-owners-bunch/f2JuoFUSiP8
and
Minneapolis country bike rally
Hey there Bill -
Right now, there are less than 10 people who have sent an email saying that
they would absolutely, positively be on board.
This does not concern me at all, as a number more have contacted me with
interest. Plus, the project has only been announced here on the list. I
was
Are you talking about brake clearance for a knibblie cross tire? I rode a
few CX races on the Hilsen, which had the original long-reach Silvers. The
newer Tektros have a bit more arc on some models, allowing for an even
rounder profile.
There was absolutely no issue with tire clearance.
I think that none of the bicycle designs which come from RBW are
particularly static. There are probably a few reasons for this.
My writings and commentary about the Hunqapillar stem from the first
iterations of the idea and a conversation which GP shared as the proto's
were due for arrival.
It's hard to know for sure, but is it possible that your saddle gets very
dry, very quickly after riding? After use, I mean. If the bike lives in a
temperature controlled environ when it's not riding, a quick humidity swing
might be causing that surface cracking. Or if it lives in a garage
Hope you all enjoy many miles in the New Year -
http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclofiend/11678686814/
Thanks for your contributions to and support of the list!
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in the set is a picture of my
other favorite bike, that I also found through the list, an '83 Specialized
Expedition. The Rivish influences are glaring.
Thanks Folks!
And Happy New Year!
On Friday, December 27, 2013 12:33:46 PM UTC-6, Cyclofiend Jim wrote:
Love to see a detail image
Love to see a detail image of the problem area. Basically it sounds like
the inverted triangles are too short. If it's a new rack, perhaps have
them swap it for one with higher positioning.
Is this the setup you are trying to get to work?
Centerpulls don't mount on canti studs. The location is different - above
the rim.
You could use a center-mounted centerpulls. I'm not sure if the
canti-posts which the Simpleone or Quickbeam used were removeable.
Paul has some good detail images of the mounting types of CP brakes here:
Centerpulls don't mount on canti studs. The location is different - above
the rim.
You could theoretically use a center-mounted centerpulls. I'm not sure if
the canti-posts on all iterations of Simpleones or Quickbeams were
removeable. I'm not aware of what the difference was in the
I think those are all good points, Pete.
When this topic popped up, it struck me that I didn't want to skew the
conversation by talking about my own bias towards the Quickbeam design. It
seemed to me (and still does) that the Quickbeam/Simpleone is one of the
great designs that Grant has
not one but FIVE (actually SIX if you count the unbuilt frameset..)
Rivendell Cross bikes - 4 Legolas and two RBW CX models!
http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclofiend/sets/72157638961642965
With the exception of the Rivendell Mountain, the Legolas is probably the
least common of the breeds. (ok
Hey there Michael -
The point is kinda moot, unless you have someone up the street who is
selling both.
The SimpleOne is the Taiwan built model. The Quickbeams were built by
Panasonic. There were some subtle tweaks throughout the model runs, some of
which can be referenced via the Quickbeam
my, my my...
We're really discussing a SRAM recall here?
And now it's spiraled out into this galaxy of snipes and counter-snipes?
I realize that it's the winter months for many of us on the list, but can
we let this thread drop and die, please?
Thanks!
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Yea.. that was from Interbike (industry trade show for dealers,
wholesalers, companies and SOPWAMTOS).
On Dec 9, 2013, at 10:05 AM, George Schick wrote:
I remember that photo! IIRC, it was taken when he (they if you
include Sheldon) were at one of those NAHBS shows. He was
lampooning
Actually, what interests me is that aside from a reasonably small subset of
posters (at this time ~17 out of the 2500 on the list), this thread seem to
be more about the _lack_ of complaints regarding the ideals of the
Quickbeam / SimpleOne. I think that attests to its quality. The reason
, Cyclofiend Jim
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Hey there Patrick -
Chrome Version 31.0.1650.57 supports that option in Mac OSX 10.7.5
Just confirming it via that browser/OS as we speak.
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On Tuesday, November 26, 2013 11:13:06 AM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote
I guess this is a type of Entmoot - we're discussing features on a bike
that might not be built, but one which is the evolution of the Quickbeam
and SimpleOne. The impetus for this thread has branched from Grant
Petersen's comments in this thread -
In the interest of clarity, I'm going to start a separate thread for
ideas/thoughts/features folks might be interested in for a
QuickSimpleBeamOne.
There have already been a few comments about desired features in the
Announcement thread - Rivendell 'SimpleBeam' - New Model - Call for the
Actually, that specific mechanism does exist. You do need to be viewing
via the web interface.
To the right of the Reply arrow (itself to the right of every post) is a
small, downward pointing triangle. Clicking on this will bring down a menu
of More Message Actions. Among the choices is
in the drop down
menu. Oh well.
On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 11:16 AM, Cyclofiend Jim
cyclo...@earthlink.netjavascript:
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Actually, that specific mechanism does exist. You do need to be viewing
via the web interface.
To the right of the Reply arrow (itself to the right of every post
Ron -
You sure you don't have this backwards?
Was trained to _always_ grease bolt threads. And mechanic sensei's were
always divided on the greasing of the square taper. Many feel that since
it's a press fit and not likely to bind, you can apply too much torque to
the bolts and swage the
. A perfectly good color, a
good name, a nice badge, a really great singler.
Serious agreers will PM cyclofiend (Jim! So sorryplease forgive
me...but these months I have so many kaleidiscopes in my head that I can't
have another one), and if the list reaches 30 (meaning you'll have $1200
singler.
Serious agreers will PM cyclofiend (Jim! So sorryplease forgive
me...but these months I have so many kaleidiscopes in my head that I can't
have another one), and if the list reaches 30 (meaning you'll have $1200
by Dec 2014 for the frame/fork/headset, and the money won't
The rear stay QR trick is a good one - mine has been set up that way from
the beginning.
IIRC, the largest tires the QB can handle is 45 - which you had mounted -
http://cyclofiend.com/rbw/quickbeam/
- J
On Monday, November 25, 2013 10:08:08 AM UTC-8, Philip Williamson wrote:
I find fat
Didn't realize the Dingle required a 9 sp chain.
My stock gearing setup is the 40/32 front chainring setup with a 14T fixed
and 18T FW. The 40x14 (centered) and 40x18 fit easily. The 32x18 is at
the end of the dropout with that chain length.
Hope that helps,
- Jim
On Monday, November 25,
with a different manufacturing facility (Taiwan rather than
Panasonic). There were never consistent offerings of the QB - they were
always limited run machines. No reason to expect the SO to continue that.
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Uh that would be:
No reason to expect the SO _NOT_ to continue that.
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Sick, then projects meant about five weeks with nuthin' but minor errands
bikeishly speaking.
But a gloriously sunny November Saturday made up for that...
http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclofiend/10766912356/
Ah - nothing like a nice three hour loop to make my thighs mock me and
generally
Sounds exciting!
In Marin county, all of the transit buses have front-mounted bike racks.
Though they can be tricky with a tour-loaded bike. Not that you'll need it,
but if you get in a bind...
From West Point Inn, you're more than halfway up Mt. Tam - You can ramble
up on Railroad Grade,
Yeah. many, many, many options and ways of getting around Marin.
Good Resource: the Marin Bicycle Map -
http://www.marinbike.org/Map/Index.shtml
Has trails, roads, paths, and more. Recently updated.
Couple-O-Quick-Thoughts:
Bear in mind that Muir Beach is currently closed - they are
As a comparison, if you feel as the Railroad Grade is rocky and rough, you
won't like the upper parts of Bolinas Ridge - might be better to drop down
BoFax from West Ridgecrest.
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Actually, that's not my bike. Never was lucky enough to snag a
Bleriot.That was Frank F's, and there is an email address in the Gallery
Page itself. I'm not sure if he's got the same email all these years
later, but it's worth a try.
He may be on this list, but I am working on an out of
Jim -
Probably better to pose that gearing/drivetrain question as a separate
thread. A lot of folks dip into conversations based on the title.
One thing I didn't see mentioned was possibly changing your brakes but
staying with the 622 (700C) wheelsize. From your description, the tire is
on the freehub shell or splines become an issue.
On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 12:47 PM, Cyclofiend Jim cyclofi...@earthlink.net
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Jim -
Probably better to pose that gearing/drivetrain question as a
separate thread. A lot of folks dip into conversations based on the
title.
One thing I
As noted, that was a previous year's ride. Rob (our RBA) has just
submitted the 2014 calendar. If you are interested, you should join the
SFR which will put you on the email list for announcements. Joining is
free.
And, I'm NOT going to try to tell someone from MN what weather is like, but
on it (~190 lbs...)
and it wouldn't flex. There's no flex whatsoever when mounted.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclofiend/sets/72157603789184607
On Oct 1, 2013, at 7:38 PM, Edwin W wrote:
In the picture of Mark's rack on the Calfee Adventure, the caption
reads, Heavy and flexible Mark's rack
Actually, those are the ratings provided by Nitto. They are notoriously
conservative. I think Grant wrote about that on a number of occasions.
To (probably mis-)paraphrase, they derive that weight from a set of testing
cycles that far surpass anything anyone is going to subject it to in the
Oops - posted my draft! Here's what I MEANT to post:
$80 shipped (within the US) to RBW Group Members!
Again - direct email contact advised.
- Jim
On Wednesday, September 25, 2013 12:38:59 PM UTC-7, Cyclofiend Jim wrote:
Hey there -
Finally decided that since this has not been on a bike
- email me directly: cyclofiend at gmail dot com. I
won't be watching list traffic actively today, so any questions, etc.
should also go directly to my email.
Thanks for looking!
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I think something went wonky in the G-universe yesterday afternoon. I
couldn't access files and mail for about a half hour (not on-list, but via
gmail). Could have been some local server farm issue that they didn't
catch for a bit. But, it does seem to have resolved itself.
- Jim / list
Y'know, I THOUGHT after the fact that might have been your bike -
http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclofiend/9761623313/
sorry we didn't meet up in person - I did cross paths with the tall 2TT
Hilsen, as well. I thought I remembered him being on-list, but couldn't
come up with the photo of him
Just got the email report from RBA Rob Hawks, who confirmed 95 started and
~50% (by show of hands estimate) were new to brevets. Along the route,
there were at least four riders who got the elevator pitch for brevets
from me - only because they had asked and said how much they wanted to try
/cyclofiend/sets/72157635540840952/
More photos (including a couple group members!) courtesy of Deb Ford -
http://goo.gl/H8UBBL http://goo.gl/H8UBBL
Rough Route Map - http://ridewithgps.com/routes/1798411
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Nice setup Trevor!
It's funny, on both my Hilsen and Quickbeam, I ride them for a while and
then just have the urge to tweak things. Darned versatile bikes, these
Rivs...
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On Thursday, September 5, 2013 5:08:02 PM UTC-7, Bicyclebill wrote:
This is all great stuff and fun reading. Am I missing something or is the
Bleriot being overlooked? I think it preceded the Saluki into the 650B
realm.
No. The Saluki was first and the Bleriot was based on that design.
It certainly was meant to cover loaded touring, but was always viewed (as
any RBW bicycle is) as more versatile than that - the initial Atlantis
flyers show the variety of setups (and even feature non-drop bars when that
was very, very far from mainstream on bike setups.)
Welcome Back, CT, me and the other Ents have missed you!
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On Saturday, September 7, 2013 5:42:04 PM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
Follow up: Today was my first significant ride on the new Quickbeam.
About 25 miles. Bit of climbing, long, mild descent, some flatish
I would tend to think that should work, but cannot say for certain. The
bugaboo with using a 9 speed in a 10 sprocket system would come at the
sprockets.
- Jim
On Friday, September 6, 2013 10:54:34 AM UTC-7, Ron Mc wrote:
If you're using a 9- speed chain and friction shifting, can you
Ha!
Indeed... the other is always V-O
;^)
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On Wednesday, September 4, 2013 9:32:20 PM UTC-7, jbu...@gmail.com wrote:
n.b. - when cyclofiend says VO, he means voiceover:
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The _VERY_ rough page for Generation 1 Rivendell frames is here:
http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/gen1/
There are some Catalog scans (Catalog #5) of the Road Standard, Long Low
and All Rounder
The Long Low (and Road Standard) begat the Rambouillet
The All Rounder begat the Atlantis
As for the
Tightening to eliminate noise can be bad. A properly torqued bolt can
certainly make noise, and over-torquing is not a long-term solution.
First rule my mechanic sensei taught me is remove and regrease. Could be
anything from the brake levers to the sleeve to the stem to the headset.
Yeah... I was just going to post a similar experience to cyclotourist's.
When I put Oury grips on my mtb, I had pretty immediate wrist and hand
issues. Dropping back to a slim profile grip eliminated it.
You might play with thin diameter bar/tape combined with a specific gel pad
right at the
I think it all comes down to price, but I wouldn't really sweat it.
Speaking of sweat, I would ask the owner if they used it in a trainer.
That may be the culprit or that type of rust pattern. My guess is that some
of that will just wipe off and then a little judicious work with some
Dawn dishwashing liquid in warm water.
Simple Green cut about 1:1.
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On Saturday, August 31, 2013 7:51:19 AM UTC-7, bwg wrote:
Hello,
I'm wondering what mild, effective degreaser options there are these days,
since the excellent El Doo-kay is no longer available.
Historical references here:
http://cyclofiend.com/Images/rbw/atlantis/atl_flyer2-05.jpg
via the Atlantis page - http://cyclofiend.com/Images/rbw/atlantis/
- Jim
On Wednesday, August 28, 2013 10:15:41 PM UTC-7, Mike Schiller wrote:
Hugh only made a 54.5 and 56. here is the geo chart
Hey there -
My tastes are kind of an outlier. I've found that I'm more comfortable on
slightly narrower saddles. Now, I'm sure this has a great deal to do with
years running low handlebars and a current position which is still at or
lower than the saddle.
Unfortunately, I came into a very
Obviously, it is frustrating to not have your bike. Doubly so if it's
sitting somewhere waiting to be painted.
But, if I understand the scenario so far, Rivendell is repairing the frame
for free and is having it repainted. They've also offered a replacement
bike. Is that a loaner until it's
Hey there Tom -
I replied to your email last night. You were moderated. That was changed.
Your posts should now go through.
If you do plan on unsubscribing, send an email to
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with the subscription.
Sorry for the
Absolutely do not use Duct (or Duck) tape on bikes unless you are miles
from anywhere and that's the only way out. It makes for a nasty clean up.
Still, I do have a length of it wrapped onto a small dowel...
But, YES on Gaffer's Tape. That is wonderful stuff.
Also - the other item I found
Hey there Peter -
In general a larger tire at a lower pressure will give the best footprint.
More footprint = more grip. Over the years, I've ridden a pretty wide
variety of tires through the rains and I'm not really sure one stands out
as horrifically bad. Wet weather riding really does
The early Toyo Hilsens were a match for the Rambouillet blue. It has
changed a bit since.
http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/color.html
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Couple o' points -
- Yeah, I do think that a lot of large-scale manufacturers send the bikes
with shorter steerers. Forks and frames don't necessarily come from the
same production facility, and they are often cut to spec before packaging
them.
- Grant's fitting guidelines are ostensibly
It's actually pretty hard for a stick to get through the spokes of a wheel
with a reasonable spoke count. Not impossible, mind you, but difficult.
I've flipped sticks into one side - snapping a spoke, but never all the way
through. (Mythbusters actually did a good segment on shoving a
You'd be surprised how much grunge can make its way into the bearings
without any kind of cap. Since most grease formulations will attract grit
and then adhere to it, you end up adding a grinding paste to your
bearings. Not immediate, of course, but something to avoid if possible.
(Think
+1 for Rich's wheels.
He's one of the few folks I would trust to build my wheels. Not that
others are bad, mind you. A mindfully-built quietly serves you well.
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Hey folks -
I appreciate we have motorcycle enthusiasts on the list, but it's pretty
clearly outside our topics of discussion.
Perhaps the best approach (rather than just off-list emails) would be to
create a group here (on google groups) or via one of the Popular Social
Media™ venues.
Man, this just took the wind out of my sails.
Over the years, I've gotten to know many people on the various lists
through their posts. Seth and I traded private emails now and again,
covered topics of bikes and life, and I've always enjoyed when we had a
chance to chat. Though I've never
Well, I'm no mathematician, but I used to watch Numb3ers...
It would seem on a straight percentage of bikes analysis, given the large
number of bicycles and the small percentage of Riv's in the count, the odds
would be pretty low. But, you have to factor in the percentage of RBW
riders who Go
Hey all - was on the water all yesterday, so didn't get a chance to pass
stuff through until this morning. Noticed that there were many, many, many
multiple post attempts from several different group members which were
replies to FS/FT/WTB posts. Just wanted to remind folks that it is a tenet
Was unexpectedly on the road this week, and hadn't been paying close
attention to established, on-topic threads.I want to thank the list
members who called my attention to the Brooks thread which devolved
considerably from anything remotely RBW-specific.
I've locked the topic and would
Drive side rear dropout area is probably the most common area of failure of
any bicycle frame that wasn't crashed or otherwise damaged. Lots of
torques and stresses right there.
Certainly isn't an epidemic with the Rambouillet or Rivendells in general.
I'm sure they will be fair with you
Congrats on the finish. Great writeup!
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On Tuesday, June 11, 2013 4:10:43 PM UTC-7, Iron Rider wrote:
and this is what happened.
http://eprider.blogspot.com/2013/06/catskill-600k-mediations-in-mountains.html
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To paraphrase something Grant wrote a while back, ...a bike with no
scratches is a bike with no stories.
Get that bike out there and use it. Repaint it when it gets bad or bothers
you. I've yet to see anyone actually wear out a Rivendell.
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The Sanity Tipping Point ™ is when you get to the trailhead of the
singletrack network, look down at your fixed gearing and decide that
there's no real point in flipping to the coastable side.
A point which is getting smaller and smaller in my third eye mirror
Enjoy the ride and keep it
I dunno Manny - those seem to cover everything BUT the mouth and nose.
+1 for the Buff - I have a few of these which I use when out in the sun on
the boat. Or when it's just frosty enough to require a thin windbreak.
They actually do cover well. Not sure if they are really all that
Tip O' The Mouse to Master-of-The-Useful-Hack JimG, who posted this link:
http://www.archive.org/stream/bicyclerepairing00burr#page/n7/mode/2up
Bicycle Repairing - A Manual Compiled From Articles in THE IRON AGE - 1896
Can't begin to pick a favorite section, but love the fact that the shop
Uhhh... No.
As long as you don't try to convince them that they need to change, it's
unlikely you'll get anything more pointed than good-natured guff.
Of course, if you slip and fall on the highly polished marble floors while
wearing your cleats, you won't be able to file suit.
Just Ride!
Historically, we've generally linked to the posted photos. Over the past
year or so, there has been a steadily increasing number of people posting
directly to the list. I'm probably in favor on either direct links to the
images, which let people click through if they have the time or
If you are brevet-curious:
http://www.sfrandonneurs.org/summer-2013-115k-populaire.htm
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As is ...blunderbuss bikes.
On Wednesday, May 29, 2013 10:59:10 AM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
*the microfiche clipless pedals*
That's genius :)
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As this thread began vaguely off topic, and is now verging into much
broader specifics, perhaps it's time to let it end.
Our discussion is unlikely to change any pending regulation, and as
they say, it will be what it is.
Thanks!
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Ha! No easy, blanket answer for that. If you land wrong and hard, you'll
mess up just about any wheel.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclofiend/2643604057/
Start slow and low. Get competent rolling up on one wheel and then the
other. Because that develops a good sense of how to land
I don't think it was taken as a negative-to-RBW perspective. But, Steve
makes a good point - what you are really talking about is race geometry.
I have always thought of Grant's designs as real-world.
In my neck of the woods, where there tends to be more people riding more
recently
Now created:
Rivendell Box Art - a group on Flickr
http://www.flickr.com/groups/rbwboxart/
I don't have any images, but hope that folks will dive in and share them,
so we can share this with Sean and the gang.
Have at it, folks!
- J
On Tuesday, May 14, 2013 12:14:28 PM UTC-7, Manuel
Ha! Wow. 10 images in less than an hour. Long may it wave!
On Tuesday, May 14, 2013 2:15:53 PM UTC-7, Christopher Chen wrote:
Awesome. Added mine--let's make this happen!
I see a trunk motif happening.
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on top of it as I got more tired.
I've done centuries and 200K brevets on both the Hilsen and the Quickbeam.
Some where extremely taxing, but that definitely was an engine issue.
It's pretty simple in my book - Start Comfortable, Stay Comfortable.
- J
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I like the honey colored ones, but they definitely darken down with use.
Here's a quick set with some images -
http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclofiend/sets/72157633477879224/
The second to last in the set is an old B-15. That's the only (I think)
original brown colored Brooks I've got
like the bike will do what you request, then politely
ask Is that All? you have a winner.
Thanks to both Jan and Grant for furthering the discussion with real-world
examples. We would be poorer without your contributions.
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It's been recommended by others, but Cyclemeter is pretty adaptible. They
just revised it and seem to be loading in more functions than I need, but
it has the ability for multiple activity modes. I like that we can do a
hike and track the distance, because our trail-running friend really
The whole idea of where your saddle should be is both overlooked and
reasonably important. It helps to have an idea of your personal
dimensions - especially if your femur is long relative to your tibia. But
it comes back to hip angle, addressed very well in this article - The Myth
of KOPS
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Historically, the only bikes which have/had Rivendell headbadges were the
custom frames or the Generation 1 Rivendells (Longlow, Road, AllRounder,
etc... frames). With the introduction of the Atlantis, they all had
model-specific headbadges - e.g. Atlantis, Rambouillet, Romulus, Quickbeam.
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