pretty much all of the 19th century bicycle advancements were made as part
of military contracts
http://bsamuseum.wordpress.com/1-welcome-to-the-bsa-museum/
On Sunday, July 6, 2014 7:58:21 PM UTC-5, Fullylugged wrote:
A riding companion mentioned this article while we were pedaling the
Ron, sorry, not true If you read the usual histories, notably Herlihy, the
technology developed tremendously over 3/4 of a century before reaching the
pneumatic tire, chain driven, equal-wheeled vehicle adopted by the
military, and further advances to this dominant type of safety were
largely made
not to offend, friend, but a 1941 reference completely ignores 3/4-century
of military bicycles
http://bsamuseum.wordpress.com/beginnings-of-war-machines/
On Monday, July 7, 2014 8:15:58 AM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
Ron, sorry, not true If you read the usual histories, notably Herlihy,
What I think is most fantastic here is the intersection of these beautiful,
timeless bikes with a squadron of 8 African American soldiers who biked
1,900 miles from Missoula to St. Louis. Friends, this was in 1896. The
photograph is stunning and if you click on it, it opens up into a huge jpg
not a bad job, either - getting paid to bike 1900 miles.
On Monday, July 7, 2014 10:08:35 AM UTC-5, Liesl wrote:
What I think is most fantastic here is the intersection of these
beautiful, timeless bikes with a squadron of 8 African American soldiers
who biked 1,900 miles from Missoula to
Good to see. My wife is African-American, and some of her friends have
derided road bike riding as WPF which is to mean, White People Fun.
Thankfully, my wife enjoys it. Not quite to the extent I do, but we have
ridden up to 47 miles together.
On Mon, Jul 7, 2014 at 10:08 AM, Liesl
Liesl is getting at what I liked about the article and the picture. And
note the riding kit
On Mon, Jul 7, 2014 at 11:08 AM, Liesl li...@smm.org wrote:
What I think is most fantastic here is the intersection of these
beautiful, timeless bikes with a squadron of 8 African American soldiers
Ron, sorry, but Patrick is correct. Military contracts were not the impetus
of the invention of the boneshaker, of the ordinary, of the safety cycle,
or of the pneumatic tire. Herlihy is an excellent history of 19th Century
bicycle development from an author well-versed in the primary sources.
YES!!! And check out the frame bags the Buffalo Soldiers are stylin...
RESPECT!!!
On Monday, July 7, 2014 4:21:13 PM UTC-4, Fullylugged wrote:
Liesl is getting at what I liked about the article and the picture. And
note the riding kit
On Mon, Jul 7, 2014 at 11:08 AM, Liesl li...@smm.org
Indeed. That photo made my heart swell with such pride.
On Monday, July 7, 2014 8:08:35 AM UTC-7, Liesl wrote:
What I think is most fantastic here is the intersection of these
beautiful, timeless bikes with a squadron of 8 African American soldiers
who biked 1,900 miles from Missoula to
And, as a further hijack, were not Ritchey frames brazed to spec at Toyo in
Osaka?
From: David Estes cyclotour...@gmail.com
T
On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 2:03 PM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 12:52 PM, Tim McNamara
On Mar 14, 11:59 pm, Patrick in VT psh...@drm.com wrote:
i maintain that a compact double and
28s would do just fine on rouge-roubaix - thus, my contrary opinion to
the title of this thread.
Well, since I created the thread and its title, I'll take the
opportunity to clarify. In fact, a
On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 6:42 AM, RonaTD teddur...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
On Mar 14, 11:59 pm, Patrick in VT psh...@drm.com wrote:
i maintain that a compact double and
28s would do just fine on rouge-roubaix - thus, my contrary opinion to
the title of this thread.
Well, since I created
On Mar 14, 2009, at 10:43 PM, David Estes wrote:
On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 8:31 PM, Tim McNamara
tim...@bitstream.net wrote:
-snip-
I might very well ride the 23 pound country bike, reckoning its
greater robustness gives me a better chance to finish the race
without mechanical problems
On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 12:52 PM, Tim McNamara tim...@bitstream.net wrote
in re of his custom Ritchey:
It is, without a doubt, the best handling bike I have ever ridden. I dunno
what it is that Tom Ritchey did when he came up with his frame design, but's
it is the perfect balance of nimbleness
On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 11:52 AM, Tim McNamara tim...@bitstream.net wrote:
On Mar 14, 2009, at 10:43 PM, David Estes wrote:
On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 8:31 PM, Tim McNamara
tim...@bitstream.net wrote:
-snip-
I might very well ride the 23 pound country bike, reckoning its
greater
I don't know about you guys, but on a significant climb I'm usually
already going about as hard as I can without risking blowing up
entirely. I don't have another 5% to give. Under those conditions,
losing 3 meters to the 'identical cyclist' means being out of
conversation (or drafting) range,
that much difference.
Much more than 2 cents this time,
Joe
From: tim...@bitstream.net
Subject: [RBW] Re: Country Bikes Needed Here, Too
Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 00:27:10 -0500
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
On Mar 13, 2009, at 11:51 PM, benzzoy wrote:
On Mar 12, 3:17 pm, Aaron
I own an AHH. It's standard configuration includes a triple, 32mm tires, and
fenders. No racks. It's a great bike for family rides, commuting, winter
training, and mixed terrain rides. I ride it occasionally on some of the
local club rides and can honestly say it does not hold me back. There is a
to be clear, I'm not saying its just about the bike. as others have
pointed out, there are many variables to account for.
my point is this: if you are in a race, riding a lighter bike is a
competitive advantage. and most people who race want the competitive
advantage, and rightly so. it's
Yes, agreed, agreed, and agreed. I would only add, what I wanted to say
originally (although didn't state it explicitly) was how 'bout racing on a
17.5lbs country race bike. Fatter tired and some lower gears. Just
enough so the racer isn't punished (as much!), but can instead transmit that
On Sat, 2009-03-14 at 13:07 -0700, Patrick in VT wrote:
the thread started off with a sentiment that the riders would be
better served on country bikes in this *race.* I disagree, because I
think, on the whole, a country bike would put the racer at a
competitive disadvantage.
The
Patrick in VT,
I will agree with you that, everthing else being equal, a lighter
bike is a better option for a race.
But everthing else is not equal; there are many variables to account
for.
Joe Bartoe set faster times up hills with a heavier bike. I set my
fastest time trial times (when I
I debated internally a lot about replying since the thread is mainly
about racing and not about Rivendells per se. And this seems to have
some potential for some hard feelings over legitimate disagreements
in cycling philosophy (I have been in a long drawn-out and rancorous
debate in
On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 8:31 PM, Tim McNamara tim...@bitstream.net wrote:
-snip-
I might very well ride the 23 pound country bike, reckoning its
greater robustness gives me a better chance to finish the race
without mechanical problems or punctures, which'll get you dropped
faster than
On Mar 14, 5:24 pm, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote:
On Sat, 2009-03-14 at 13:07 -0700, Patrick in VT wrote:
The Hampsten Strada Bianca is arguably a country bike and also arguably
a racing bike. Would have riders in this dirt road race been better
served on a Strada Bianca than any
On Mar 14, 6:05 pm, Angus angusle...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
there are many variables to account for.
yes, I've acknowledged this, verbatim.
and, again, i'm comparing country bikes to race bikes. not cf to ti
or steel race bikes, but country bikes to race bikes. if you think
the many variables
On Mar 12, 11:43 pm, David Estes cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote:
I think they need to make the race longer! :-)
are you familiar with the trans-iowa race? it kind of proves your
point - it's a 300 mile race on rough stuff and there is certainly a
difference in bike/equipment choices for that
On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 6:19 AM, Patrick in VT psh...@drm.com wrote:
On Mar 12, 11:43 pm, David Estes cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote:
I think they need to make the race longer! :-)
are you familiar with the trans-iowa race? it kind of proves your
point - it's a 300 mile race on rough stuff
We don't have many racer types who shop at HC, but we have one who
regularly makes use of our repair/technical services. He's the kind of
guy who's always looking to shave grams or convert metal parts to
similar parts made of some non-metal. His knowledge of bicycles/parts
of this type is
On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 8:49 AM, David Estes cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 6:19 AM, Patrick in VT psh...@drm.com wrote:
On Mar 12, 11:43 pm, David Estes cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote:
I think they need to make the race longer! :-)
are you familiar with the
On Mar 12, 10:06 pm, Patrick in VT psh...@drm.com wrote:
\ i don't get this. most race routes do make for beautiful rides.
and
the roads are there for anyone to ride, whenever they want and whether
they race or not. Maybe were all just disillusioned by what bicycle
racing has become - the
Each to his own, of course. I personally would prefer a lightish road bike
with 28s (or perhaps 32s) for mild dirt and gravel than a 42mm plus
heavyweight, which leads to my question: at what point, all else being equal
of course, does weight difference matter? I expect 8 or 10 lbs will make a
On Mar 12, 3:17 pm, Aaron Thomas aaron.a.tho...@gmail.com wrote:
But when it comes to climbing, I cannot
help but think that the extra 6+ lbs I'm hauling on my 23-ish lb. bike
(compared to their 16 -17lb bikes) puts me at a distinct disadvantage.
If one discounts the psychology of having
On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 10:51 PM, benzzoy benz...@yahoo.com wrote:
On Mar 12, 3:17 pm, Aaron Thomas aaron.a.tho...@gmail.com wrote:
But when it comes to climbing, I cannot
help but think that the extra 6+ lbs I'm hauling on my 23-ish lb. bike
(compared to their 16 -17lb bikes) puts
On Mar 13, 2009, at 11:51 PM, benzzoy wrote:
On Mar 12, 3:17 pm, Aaron Thomas aaron.a.tho...@gmail.com wrote:
But when it comes to climbing, I cannot
help but think that the extra 6+ lbs I'm hauling on my 23-ish lb.
bike
(compared to their 16 -17lb bikes) puts me at a distinct
Yeah, I'm sure there were a few thought processes that went sort of
like this:
Pre-race:
Install a triple or a 28? Nah, that's for wimps
Post-race:
Should have ridden my mountain bike with the triple and the 32...and
the big tires! Walking is embarassing!
Looks like a cool race, sort of like a
Yes, but where does it say you have to be uncomfortable and inefficient to
race? Wouldn't the guys on the podium still be there if they rode a Homer
with Jack Browns and a granny gear? I think they would be win by an even
better margin and make the ride a bit more pleasant.
DE
On Thu, Mar 12,
From: psh...@drm.com was the one to say it:
These are races.
No doubt a country bike would be great on those roads - but for
serious competition? Bike racing is not about being comfortable or
having an easy climb.
I'm sure the top of the field did just fine on their carbon road
On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 8:54 AM, Joe Bartoe jbar...@hotmail.com wrote:
From: psh...@drm.com was the one to say it:
These are races.
No doubt a country bike would be great on those roads - but for
serious competition? Bike racing is not about being comfortable or
having an easy
David, what you're describing sort of sounds like Hampsten Cycle's
Strada Bianca:
http://www.hampsten.com/Bikes/GravelRoad/stradabianca.html
see Andy's Ti version:
http://tinyurl.com/cldwjh
But he has a compact double, not a triple, and a 12-27 cassette.
On Mar 12, 8:58 am, David Estes
On Mar 12, 11:48 am, David Estes cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote:
Wouldn't the guys on the podium still be there if they rode a Homer with Jack
Browns and a granny gear?
no.
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But I've read elsewhere that it's not about the bike... :)
On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 10:03 AM, Patrick in VT psh...@drm.com wrote:
On Mar 12, 11:48 am, David Estes cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote:
Wouldn't the guys on the podium still be there if they rode a Homer with
Jack Browns and a granny
Yep, something along those lines...
On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 9:54 AM, Aaron Thomas aaron.a.tho...@gmail.comwrote:
David, what you're describing sort of sounds like Hampsten Cycle's
Strada Bianca:
http://www.hampsten.com/Bikes/GravelRoad/stradabianca.html
see Andy's Ti version:
On Mar 12, 1:11 pm, Patrick in VT psh...@drm.com wrote: believe me,
i drink the same steel-bike-big-tire kool-aid as y'all do,
but it's going to be a while before an AHH wins a serious bike race.
which is fine b/c it's not a race bike!!
You could call Crumpton and order a CF version of a
races. For me, the true
disadvantage would be the engine, not the bike.
Joe
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 10:11:28 -0700
Subject: [RBW] Re: Country Bikes Needed Here, Too
From: psh...@drm.com
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
On Mar 12, 11:54 am, Joe Bartoe jbar...@hotmail.com wrote
For me, the true disadvantage would be the engine, not the bike.
but that's the point:
for a given group of racers with similar abilities, lighter bicycles
designed for racing offer the advantages needed to go faster, and
thus, win a race. not finish a race, or keep up with the peloton -
but
Patrick, what I was thinking, is why not have a Ti country bike racer. Ti
or CF, but with fatter tires and and extra chainring. So weight isn't a
problem (ok, maybe an extra few hundred grams for the tires, extra ring,
rear derailer). This bike would allow the athlete to ride with more comfort
On Thu, 2009-03-12 at 14:38 -0700, David Estes wrote:
Patrick, what I was thinking, is why not have a Ti country bike
racer. Ti or CF, but with fatter tires and and extra chainring. So
weight isn't a problem (ok, maybe an extra few hundred grams for the
tires, extra ring, rear derailer).
On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 2:47 PM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote:
On Thu, 2009-03-12 at 14:38 -0700, David Estes wrote:
Patrick, what I was thinking, is why not have a Ti country bike
racer. Ti or CF, but with fatter tires and and extra chainring. So
weight isn't a problem (ok,
On Thu, 2009-03-12 at 15:03 -0700, David Estes wrote:
On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 2:47 PM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com
wrote:
On Thu, 2009-03-12 at 14:38 -0700, David Estes wrote:
Patrick, what I was thinking, is why not have a Ti country
bike
I'd have to agree with Patrick in VT. I ride my Romulus regularly with
a club thick with Cat 2 and 3-ish racers on carbon and ti bikes. With
speeds in the 20s on flats I manage to hold my own (more or less),
especially if I can draft. But when it comes to climbing, I cannot
help but think that
On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 3:15 PM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote:
On Thu, 2009-03-12 at 15:03 -0700, David Estes wrote:
On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 2:47 PM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com
wrote:
On Thu, 2009-03-12 at 14:38 -0700, David Estes wrote:
Patrick,
All the debate over whether the top finishers would have hurt their
times by riding country bikes, imho, turns the point around 180
degrees. My reaction to the video is, What a beautiful ride. Shame
they had to ruin it by having a race.
My second reaction is, they spent all that money on those
Well put. The ride looked great. The music was horrible but really all
that says is that I'm getting old...
On Mar 12, 6:57 pm, RonaTD teddur...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
All the debate over whether the top finishers would have hurt their
times by riding country bikes, imho, turns the point around
On Mar 12, 5:38 pm, David Estes cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote:
Patrick, what I was thinking, is why not have a Ti country bike racer.
i see your point, and a Ti country bike racer is a step in the right
direction (although that is some serious genre-bending).
but I would argue that a race bike
On Mar 12, 9:57 pm, RonaTD teddur...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
What a beautiful ride. Shame they had to ruin it by having a race.
i don't get this. most race routes do make for beautiful rides. and
the roads are there for anyone to ride, whenever they want and whether
they race or not. Maybe were
On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 7:45 PM, Patrick in VT psh...@drm.com wrote:
On Mar 12, 5:38 pm, David Estes cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote:
Patrick, what I was thinking, is why not have a Ti country bike racer.
i see your point, and a Ti country bike racer is a step in the right
direction (although
THAT is so cool! Looks like a great such a great race! Need more like that
for sure.
Man, I'm thinking a Hilsen with a triple and some Jack Browns would be s
helpful there. All those skinny tired crabon bikes with racing doubles...
not so much.
On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 7:50 PM, RonaTD
That does look like a cool event. I bet a few folks rode cross bikes.
But yeah, a Hilsen, or even a Rambouillet with 28s would be better for
that than most of those bikes. I got the impression that some of the
folks did not enjoy that ride. Nothing worse than walking your bike
uphill in a road
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