How much does 'light and responsive' matter once you'd put a handlebar bag
on a bike and loaded it with food and gear? I understand a light wheelset.
But, if you want a light bike for gravel roads, why the disc brakes (more
of a rhetorical question. I know why). Nice, but my Hunqapillar
In the meantime, you can try Kojaks. Very nice tire, and same size as the
Compass tires will be.
I've been thinking of getting an NFE, but after riding my Sam last night,
that feeling diminished a little : )
I just wish the Sam had a few mm of clearance, but limited mostly due to
the Paul
bikes.
Regards
Carl Otto Wollin
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Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2015 11:38:47 -0700
From: christian@gmail.com
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Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Elephant National Park Explorer
Hi everyone,
Reporting back now that I
.
It looks like a very nice rig to use as a commuter.
Carl W
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2015 19:21:10 -0700
From: mikeybi...@rocketmail.com
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Elephant National Park Explorer
John, one of the guys behind the stock NFE's is running the Rat Trap pass
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John, one of the guys behind the stock NFE's is running the Rat Trap pass
tires on his NFE. Looks like they fit just fine and are the same diameter
as a 650B x 42 mm wheel.
~mike
On Sunday, August 2, 2015 at 2:49:39 PM UTC-7
Randonneur bikes.
Regards
Carl Otto Wollin
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2015 11:38:47 -0700
From: christian.w.mcmil...@gmail.com
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CC: christian.w.mcmil...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Elephant National Park Explorer
Hi everyone,
Reporting back now that I have had the NFE
Randonneur bikes.
Regards
Carl Otto Wollin
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2015 11:38:47 -0700
From: christian.w.mcmil...@gmail.com
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CC: christian.w.mcmil...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Elephant National Park Explorer
Hi everyone,
Reporting back now that I
Wollin
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Hi everyone,
Reporting back
I love the Cowchippers so far. Hardly any fussing with them. I rode them on
singletrack the other day--a pic or two in the Flickr--and really like the
shallow drop, width (46cm) and flare when it came to cranking uphill. But then
today I did a four hour road ride and they were great there
Flickr link?
-J
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Thanks, Christian. I figure some will end on my Gryphon sooner rather
than later! I have some Cowbells on my Salsa, and really like those a
lot BTW.
Justin: https://www.flickr.com/photos/cwmcmillen/19956632478/in/datetaken/
On Sat, Aug 1, 2015 at 9:14 PM, Christian McMillen
Hi Christian, I'm half-way kicking myself for not getting one of these
from the last round. Might have messed up there...
Anyway, Cowchippers are currently in my Jenson cart, although trying
to make Woodchippers work. I'm wonding how you find the feel of the
CCs singletrack? The WCs are great(!)
Hi everyone,
Reporting back now that I have had the NFE for a week. It's been great so
far!
Thought I'd share my build and a few pics here:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/cwmcmillen/sets/72157656605491545
WHEELS: WTB KOM i25 rims/Compass Babyshoe Pass EL tubeless/SP dynohub/Hope
Evo Pro 2/VO
On 07/31/2015 02:38 PM, Christian wrote:
Hi everyone,
Reporting back now that I have had the NFE for a week. It's been
great so far!
Thought I'd share my build and a few pics here:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/cwmcmillen/sets/72157656605491545
Good to see that you're having success going tubeless with Compass EL
tires. I want to try that myself.
Purty bike, BTW.
On Fri, Jul 31, 2015 at 12:38 PM, Christian christian.w.mcmil...@gmail.com
wrote:
Hi everyone,
Reporting back now that I have had the NFE for a week. It's been great so
Great looking bike and build. Those cowchippers look like a compelling
design - where is the 46cm measured - across the top of the bar or at the
flared ends of the drops? What size frame is that?
On Fri, Jul 31, 2015 at 2:44 PM, Patrick Moore bertin...@gmail.com wrote:
Good to see that you're
BTW: The Radavist has a great review of the
NFE:
http://theradavist.com/2015/07/elephant-bikes-national-forest-explorer-with-gevenalle-shifting/#1
On Friday, July 31, 2015 at 2:56:57 PM UTC-4, Christian wrote:
Steve,
Happy to oblige. It's a 10 speed with a 10-36 cassette and XT long cage,
I'm not sure exactly what you mean by nice easy-going stability but I
like what Alex Wetmore had to say on the subject 5 years ago on the iBOB
list:
Archive-URL:http://search.bikelist.org/getmsg.asp?Filename=internet-bob.11001.0138.eml
From: Alex Wetmore alex(AT)phred.org
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010
Jeff
The bars are measured center to center from the hoods. I really like them
so far. The hooks were nice yesterday while cranking up some steep trails.
The frame is a medium--equivalent to a 56cm effective top tube. Here's the
info page with the geometry chart from Elephant:
Nice looking bike. Seems to tick off a lot of boxes on my list. But reading
this part of the NFE blurb gave me pause, for experienced riders who
prefer nimble handling and light steering input. Sounds like it may not
have the nice easy going stability I'm seeking.
On Friday, July 31, 2015 at
Steve,
Happy to oblige. It's a 10 speed with a 10-36 cassette and XT long cage,
clutchless mtn RD shifted by 10 speed Dura Ace bar end shifters. Shifts
great. The CX70 shifts flawlessly b/w the 26-42.
On the nature of greatness: Well, it's as zippy my Terraferma ever
was--climbs amazingly,
On 07/31/2015 05:27 PM, Jim Bronson wrote:
Daniel,
The Elephant NFE is a low trail bike, meaning it is meant to have a
load in the front. Unloaded in the front, the steering will be
somewhat light depending on the exact amount of trail it has in
millimeters. Jan Heine has done some
Daniel,
The Elephant NFE is a low trail bike, meaning it is meant to have a load in
the front. Unloaded in the front, the steering will be somewhat light
depending on the exact amount of trail it has in millimeters. Jan Heine
has done some testing on the handling characteristics of various
Is it possible to run the Rat Trap Pass with 26 x 2.35 with fenders?
What is the max tires with fenders to squeeze in the rear and front of the NFE.
The NFE looks lika an interesting rig as a commuter for all round use with
studded winter tires and fat pair of slicks.
One rig to mention in this
Hi Carl,
Obviously no one has the tires yet, but the Rat Trap pass should be a good
fit on the NFE. Clearances are set for 650bx42 + fenders, and the RTPs are
supposed to be the same diameter. There aren't a ton of fender options wide
enough, but there are a few from Honjo and others. I'm
FYI Folks:
No more custom frames from Glen for at least a year. I inquired recently
and got the big negative.
On Wednesday, June 3, 2015 at 2:56:47 PM UTC-6, joe b. wrote:
Hi Luke,
Funny, my daily rider has been a 63 canti-Rom for years, and I'm looking
forward to trying out my XL stock
Hi Luke,
Funny, my daily rider has been a 63 canti-Rom for years, and I'm looking
forward to trying out my XL stock NFE.
Didn't mean to imply that tubing was identical between stock NFE and Rom.
Both are 8-5-8 OS though. The non-stock NFE's like yours might be different.
My main motivation was
Depends what you consider 'better'. I'm 160 LBS and ride my Atlantis on
100+ mile rides and enjoy it. However, I agree it is way more bike than you
need for something like that. I want a NFE because I have a fair bit of
trouble staying with my riding buddies when I'm on the Atlantis. These are
Speed kills!! I was in a racy mood comming home from work today and damm
near rear ended a car stopped where it had no business being stopped. I
like your comment built for crusing and enjoying the sites, but you
young'ins have a hard time with this and I understand. Some old guys do too.
In the pics the Jones Plus looks huge, but the standover height for
the smaller model is 31, which is barely bigger than the standover
height for my Surly Krampus in size small.
On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 10:32 AM, Mike Shaljian mikeshalj...@gmail.com wrote:
I consulted a friend of mine who is 5'6.5
I have a standard steel Jones Diamond. It is nothing short of amazing.
Would love to have a plus too.
On Tuesday, June 2, 2015 at 11:23:42 AM UTC-7, Mike Shaljian wrote:
Yeah, I think one of the big features of Jeff's geometry is that the 24
or 25 ETT models can fit basically anyone from 5'6
Yeah, I think one of the big features of Jeff's geometry is that the 24 or 25
ETT models can fit basically anyone from 5'6 - 6'6, given different
seatpost/stem combinations. He also makes a point that the 24 Plus starts with
the same reach as a small (I think) ECR, and you just go from there
Hi All,
Let's see if I can link the NFE, the Jones, and Rivendell sufficiently to
make this on topic. I sold my Hunqapillar to fund my Jones. I really liked
the Hunq, but I love the Jones. Very different bikes so not really fair to
compare, but for my purposes the Jones is the better option.
Great review and insight into your thought process, Christian! NFE and
Jones both look like great bikes!
On Tuesday, June 2, 2015 at 1:12:18 PM UTC-7, Christian wrote:
Hi All,
Let's see if I can link the NFE, the Jones, and Rivendell sufficiently to
make this on topic. I sold my
Thanks cyclotourist!
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Thanks for your insight, Christian, and very well said. I apologize if I've
hijacked threads off-topic this time around and in the past with some Jones
gushing, but I am, in fact, still a Rivendell owner!
However, my Sam Hillborne no longer serves the kind of riding I prefer to do,
which
I don't know what the XL standover is but the Elephant folks did offer to
work with me on a full custom NFE frame since the stock sizes in their
production run will not fit me. I promised not to divulge any specifics so
I won't, but I would recommend calling or emailing them and talking to them
I'd be interested in folks' experience with the XL size too. This frame is
really really close to my ideal; recently I've even come to think discs are
a good idea on this type of bike. At this point my biggest hesitation is
the wheel size, even though I thought the wheels on my 29er felt TOO
On 06/02/2015 12:56 PM, Dan wrote:
I'd be interested in folks' experience with the XL size too. This
frame is really really close to my ideal; recently I've even come to
think discs are a good idea on this type of bike. At this point my
biggest hesitation is the wheel size, even though I
For this price you can get more bike than you'd ever know what to do with in
the Jones Plus. 2.1 max tire seems awfully limiting to me when 3 tires give
you the ability to do real mountain biking and fly down loose gravel descents
with confidence. Pretty MUSA bike though!
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Speaking of the Jones Plus, how short can a person be and still fit
it? It looks like a big for tall people, even in the smaller size.
On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 10:15 AM, Mike Shaljian mikeshalj...@gmail.com wrote:
For this price you can get more bike than you'd ever know what to do with in
the
I consulted a friend of mine who is 5'6.5 and she is very happy with the Jones
Plus. To my surprise, she even maxxed out the 250mm seatpost I recommended (and
she's running a 70mm, 0ยบ rise stem, as per Jeff's recc.). She hasn't ridden it
with 29+ tires yet, but on Super Motos she is more than
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