[RBW] Goals for 2011:
Last Year there was a thread on Goals for 2010: Here is what I submitted: 1. Fix my back (leg pain)...again. 2. Ride either the Katy Trail or CO Canal self supported. 3. Keep riding to work at least once each week. 4. Map a mixed terain ride starting from my front door. 5. Do more S24Os. 6. Continue searching out other East Texas riding areas (I'm still kinda new here). 7. Ride the Mineral Wells Rail Trail, out and back, on the Quickbeam, fixed. 8. Stop trying to make old French bike parts work...they don't. 9. Support RBW and my LBS. 10. Spend more time in the garage. I think I did a good job on 1, 3 (sort of), 8, 9 and 10. For 2011: 1. Spend more time in the garage. 2. Ride the Katy Trail. 3. Three to four rides/week, once of them to work. 4. Ride the Mineral Wells Rail Trail, out and back, on the Quickbeam, fixed. 5. Map a mixed terrain (spelled correctly this time) ride starting from my front door. 6. Continue searching out other East Texas riding areas. 7. Continue to support RBW and my LBS. 8. Finish that DIY LED light I started. 9. Solve the Atlantis BB clunk 10. Eliminate the Rambouillet gear noise Happy New Year! Angus -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: AHH Gets A New Old Crank Set, Old Rear Derailleur - Feels Fantastic !
Beautiful bike! I particularly like the color. Angus On Dec 30, 3:33 pm, AmiSingh asd...@gmail.com wrote: My bicycle came alive today, and we were synchronized. It was a great feeling. Euphoria hit and and drivers kept staring. Maybe it's was because of the big fellow in the red rain-coat riding atop the turmeric-colored double-top-tubed bicycle. I felt like it was because they were celebrating with me in sharing the huge smile upon my face. :) I gotta say, today was a good day. Here's a photo for your viewing pleasure: http://www.flickr.com/photos/amisingh/5307702174/in/photostream/ TA Carmina 185 cranks, Sugino chainrings 52 / 38, Shimano Ultegra 6700 rear derailleur. And waxed chain with a 80 / 20 Mix of Paraffin to Bees Wax for clean silent riding. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: AHH Gets A New Old Crank Set, Old Rear Derailleur - Feels Fantastic !
Very nice. I'm not usually in favor of double TTs, but on your bike they look perfect. How the heck tall are you anyway? BTW, I installed that 6700 RD this summer on my Ram and really love it. I moved a very good Centaur to another bike when I installed a doubl ring crank, and have been amazed at how well this one shifts. You're going to love it. Happy New Year. michael On Dec 30, 4:33 pm, AmiSingh asd...@gmail.com wrote: My bicycle came alive today, and we were synchronized. It was a great feeling. Euphoria hit and and drivers kept staring. Maybe it's was because of the big fellow in the red rain-coat riding atop the turmeric-colored double-top-tubed bicycle. I felt like it was because they were celebrating with me in sharing the huge smile upon my face. :) I gotta say, today was a good day. Here's a photo for your viewing pleasure: http://www.flickr.com/photos/amisingh/5307702174/in/photostream/ TA Carmina 185 cranks, Sugino chainrings 52 / 38, Shimano Ultegra 6700 rear derailleur. And waxed chain with a 80 / 20 Mix of Paraffin to Bees Wax for clean silent riding. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Goals for 2011:
Angus, that's a pretty good list of goals and accomplished items. For myself, I feel I rode a tad less this year but still had a ton of fun, hit some new roads and did a ton of riding on platform pedals and in regular clothes which was really rewarding. My main riding goal for the past 3 yrs has been wrapped up in randonneuring. My goals for next year: 1. Finish another super randonneur series and finish each brevet a little faster. 2. A sub-14hr 300k. 3. Do either a 1000k and/or Fleche. 4. More S36Os. 5. At least one multi-day bike tour. 6. Continue to learn how to work on my bike. 7. Read more. My main winter goal was to sell my Rambouillet which isn't much of a goal but it's tough for me to part with stuff and even tougher to actually deal with selling stuff. I have a bunch of bike parts I need to sort through and sell. I also need to figure out what I'm gonna replace the Rambouillet with. --mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Goals for 2011:
Wake up. Everyday. I'll figure out what the goals are after that. On Dec 31, 6:56 am, Angus angusle...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Last Year there was a thread on Goals for 2010: Here is what I submitted: 1. Fix my back (leg pain)...again. 2. Ride either the Katy Trail or CO Canal self supported. 3. Keep riding to work at least once each week. 4. Map a mixed terain ride starting from my front door. 5. Do more S24Os. 6. Continue searching out other East Texas riding areas (I'm still kinda new here). 7. Ride the Mineral Wells Rail Trail, out and back, on the Quickbeam, fixed. 8. Stop trying to make old French bike parts work...they don't. 9. Support RBW and my LBS. 10. Spend more time in the garage. I think I did a good job on 1, 3 (sort of), 8, 9 and 10. For 2011: 1. Spend more time in the garage. 2. Ride the Katy Trail. 3. Three to four rides/week, once of them to work. 4. Ride the Mineral Wells Rail Trail, out and back, on the Quickbeam, fixed. 5. Map a mixed terrain (spelled correctly this time) ride starting from my front door. 6. Continue searching out other East Texas riding areas. 7. Continue to support RBW and my LBS. 8. Finish that DIY LED light I started. 9. Solve the Atlantis BB clunk 10. Eliminate the Rambouillet gear noise Happy New Year! Angus -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] RR 31
So RR 31 is out -- great, must buy it. Good article. Whatever G's take on trail, he's built me three excellently handling bikes. On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 9:50 PM, Bill Gibson bill.bgib...@gmail.com wrote: Did you know the pdf author was Milhouse Vanhouten? Cali is a mythical place, you know...I have it, but I bought the pdfs from Rivendell...I hesitate to violate copyright , but I will quote, assuming you are a loyal customer...Experiments With Rake Trail Fork rake is how much the front wheel is offset from the steering axis—a straight line through the center of the head tube. The aspect of the bike’s steering geometry that’s affected by fork rake is called trail. Don’t confuse it with a trail you ride on. Road bikes typically have between 2-inches (50.6mm) and 2 1/2-inches (63.5mm) of trail, and bike journalists who’ve written about trail have said 2 1/4-inches (57/58mm) of trail makes a bike not too quick, not too slow, just right. Trail theory says that more trail makes a bike easier to control at high speeds and over rough ground. Mountain bikes typically have between 2 3/4-inches (69.8mm) and three inches 76.2mm) of trail. Less trail, according to theory, makes a bike easier to control at slow speeds, but harder to control when you’re going fast, hitting bumps, or both. Trail is affected by: (1) the wheel radius; (2) the head tube angle; and (3) the fork rake (offset).There are three ways to increase trail: • Bigger front wheel. • Shallower head tube angle. • Less fork rake. Most folks who start thinking about trail temporarily get confused at least three times, and think more rake makes more trail. Nupe. To calculate trail using arithmetic: Trail = Wheel radius/Tan. of head tube angle minus fork offset/Sin. of head tube angle. If that’s Greek to you, we should be in the same club. I have it programmed on my computer here, so I just plug in the numbers and there you go… How Trail Affects Our Frame Designs When I design a Rivendell, I find the typical tire the rider will ride, and then the biggest. For all-purpose road riding, I shoot for 60-61mm of trail with the most common tire. That’s more than what “experts have said” results in neutral handling, but they are not the boss of me. Nor should they be of you! Then I see what the trail is with the largest tire. Normally a customer will say, “I’ll ride a 700x28 most of the time, but there are some fire roads here, and I’ll ride 700x35s when I go there.” Well, that works out just fine, because the bigger tire will increase the trail, making the bike better for the fire road (so goes trail theory). Most frame designers have a trail figure they’re comfortable with, depending on the bike’s intended purpose. But some copy other manufacturer’s geometries—not a bad thing to do, and I hope we haven’t reached the point where somebody out there considers Xmm of trail to be intellectual property. Finally, some builders just know from experience what works, and don’t think about trail. That’s fine, too! In Italy in the ‘80s it was common for the top makers to put 45mm of rake on each fork, regardless of the frame’s head tube angle. The big bikes, which almost always had steeper head tubes, didn’t have much trail, but the little bikes (with slacker head tubes) had more than plenty. I wouldn’t say that’s all that fine; in fact it seems odd to me. But these same Italian frames were ridden to many prestigious victories, which will impress those in the “results speak for themselves” camp. I’m in the “trail doesn’t win races” camp. When you first learn about trail, you may find yourself getting obsessed. It happened to me and I’ve seen it happen to others. Trail is interesting, but it is not the sole ‘splainer of bike handling, something nobody knows better than Waterford’s Marc Muller (more on him later). The Educational-Type Fun Begins FOR ABOUT SEVEN YEARS I’VE WANTED to experiment with trail by getting some forks with adjustable rakes, so we did. We also got non-adjustable forks with no rake, and with 65mm (whopping lot) of rake. You can do that when you have your own bike company and a publication to get out, but it takes more than snapping your fingers. The bikes are 59cm Romuluses. The Romulus is a road bike with what I think is a perfect geometry for allaround road riding. Pertinent to this story, it has a 73- degree head tube with 42.5mm of rake, which, with the stock Ruffy-Tuffy tire (343mm radius), results in 60mm of trail. It is as familiar to me as it gets. We equipped three bikes with different forks—adjustable rake, 0mm rake, and 65mm rake; and of course we have a normal one, too (42.5mm rake), so really, four. I rode it up and down Mount Diablo and the local streets and roads. I rode it loaded and unloaded, on smooth and rough ground, holding onto the bars like you’re supposed to, and no hands; over speed bumps (with hands and no hands), with a heavy
Re: [RBW] RR 31
Drink a little more coffee, Patrick... On 12/31/2010 8:15 AM, PATRICK MOORE wrote: So RR 31 is out -- great, must buy it. Good article. Whatever G's take on trail, he's built me three excellently handling bikes. On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 9:50 PM, Bill Gibsonbill.bgib...@gmail.com wrote: Did you know the pdf author was Milhouse Vanhouten? Cali is a mythical place, you know...I have it, but I bought the pdfs from Rivendell...I hesitate to violate copyright , but I will quote, assuming you are a loyal customer...Experiments With Rake Trail Fork rake is how much the front wheel is offset from the steering axis—a straight line through the center of the head tube. The aspect of the bike’s steering geometry that’s affected by fork rake is called trail. Don’t confuse it with a trail you ride on. Road bikes typically have between 2-inches (50.6mm) and 2 1/2-inches (63.5mm) of trail, and bike journalists who’ve written about trail have said 2 1/4-inches (57/58mm) of trail makes a bike not too quick, not too slow, just right. Trail theory says that more trail makes a bike easier to control at high speeds and over rough ground. Mountain bikes typically have between 2 3/4-inches (69.8mm) and three inches 76.2mm) of trail. Less trail, according to theory, makes a bike easier to control at slow speeds, but harder to control when you’re going fast, hitting bumps, or both. Trail is affected by: (1) the wheel radius; (2) the head tube angle; and (3) the fork rake (offset).There are three ways to increase trail: • Bigger front wheel. • Shallower head tube angle. • Less fork rake. Most folks who start thinking about trail temporarily get confused at least three times, and think more rake makes more trail. Nupe. To calculate trail using arithmetic: Trail = Wheel radius/Tan. of head tube angle minus fork offset/Sin. of head tube angle. If that’s Greek to you, we should be in the same club. I have it programmed on my computer here, so I just plug in the numbers and there you go… How Trail Affects Our Frame Designs When I design a Rivendell, I find the typical tire the rider will ride, and then the biggest. For all-purpose road riding, I shoot for 60-61mm of trail with the most common tire. That’s more than what “experts have said” results in neutral handling, but they are not the boss of me. Nor should they be of you! Then I see what the trail is with the largest tire. Normally a customer will say, “I’ll ride a 700x28 most of the time, but there are some fire roads here, and I’ll ride 700x35s when I go there.” Well, that works out just fine, because the bigger tire will increase the trail, making the bike better for the fire road (so goes trail theory). Most frame designers have a trail figure they’re comfortable with, depending on the bike’s intended purpose. But some copy other manufacturer’s geometries—not a bad thing to do, and I hope we haven’t reached the point where somebody out there considers Xmm of trail to be intellectual property. Finally, some builders just know from experience what works, and don’t think about trail. That’s fine, too! In Italy in the ‘80s it was common for the top makers to put 45mm of rake on each fork, regardless of the frame’s head tube angle. The big bikes, which almost always had steeper head tubes, didn’t have much trail, but the little bikes (with slacker head tubes) had more than plenty. I wouldn’t say that’s all that fine; in fact it seems odd to me. But these same Italian frames were ridden to many prestigious victories, which will impress those in the “results speak for themselves” camp. I’m in the “trail doesn’t win races” camp. When you first learn about trail, you may find yourself getting obsessed. It happened to me and I’ve seen it happen to others. Trail is interesting, but it is not the sole ‘splainer of bike handling, something nobody knows better than Waterford’s Marc Muller (more on him later). The Educational-Type Fun Begins FOR ABOUT SEVEN YEARS I’VE WANTED to experiment with trail by getting some forks with adjustable rakes, so we did. We also got non-adjustable forks with no rake, and with 65mm (whopping lot) of rake. You can do that when you have your own bike company and a publication to get out, but it takes more than snapping your fingers. The bikes are 59cm Romuluses. The Romulus is a road bike with what I think is a perfect geometry for allaround road riding. Pertinent to this story, it has a 73- degree head tube with 42.5mm of rake, which, with the stock Ruffy-Tuffy tire (343mm radius), results in 60mm of trail. It is as familiar to me as it gets. We equipped three bikes with different forks—adjustable rake, 0mm rake, and 65mm rake; and of course we have a normal one, too (42.5mm rake), so really, four. I rode it up and down Mount Diablo and the local streets and roads. I rode it loaded and unloaded, on smooth and rough ground, holding onto the bars like you’re supposed to, and no hands; over speed bumps (with hands and no hands), with a heavy basket, and at
[RBW] Re: Goals for 2011:
2010 was kind of a re-awakening to cycling for me. I almost completely turned over my stable, and developed a vision of what my cycling life is hopefully going to shape up to be in the next decade or 3. My 2010 cycling highlights were the 2 S24O's I did (plus all the buying stuff). I just recently signed up for RUSA and am going to try randonneuring for the first time. My 2011 cycling goals include: 1. Do my first 200k brevet 2. Do another 200k brevet 3. Do a 200k brevet in under 10 hours 4. Do a 300k brevet 5. Set up the garage as a proper workshop 6. 4 S24Os 7. Ride more with the wife and kids 8. Ride to work at least once a week 9. Ride to and from work at least once a month 10. Do one overnight night ride On Dec 31, 4:56 am, Angus angusle...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Last Year there was a thread on Goals for 2010: Here is what I submitted: 1. Fix my back (leg pain)...again. 2. Ride either the Katy Trail or CO Canal self supported. 3. Keep riding to work at least once each week. 4. Map a mixed terain ride starting from my front door. 5. Do more S24Os. 6. Continue searching out other East Texas riding areas (I'm still kinda new here). 7. Ride the Mineral Wells Rail Trail, out and back, on the Quickbeam, fixed. 8. Stop trying to make old French bike parts work...they don't. 9. Support RBW and my LBS. 10. Spend more time in the garage. I think I did a good job on 1, 3 (sort of), 8, 9 and 10. For 2011: 1. Spend more time in the garage. 2. Ride the Katy Trail. 3. Three to four rides/week, once of them to work. 4. Ride the Mineral Wells Rail Trail, out and back, on the Quickbeam, fixed. 5. Map a mixed terrain (spelled correctly this time) ride starting from my front door. 6. Continue searching out other East Texas riding areas. 7. Continue to support RBW and my LBS. 8. Finish that DIY LED light I started. 9. Solve the Atlantis BB clunk 10. Eliminate the Rambouillet gear noise Happy New Year! Angus -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Goals for 2011:
I remember this. Like many of you, my kids come first, so these are all contingent! 1. Complete a SR series 2. Commute 2x per week (now an 11 mile commute, formerly a quarter mile) 3. Tour SF-SD this summer (or at least to the train station in Santa Barbara) 4. Ride the Riv on some epic routes around Paris (ideas accepted). Esteban San Diego, Calif. On Dec 31, 6:52 am, Frankwurst fbr...@jwperry.com wrote: Wake up. Everyday. I'll figure out what the goals are after that. On Dec 31, 6:56 am, Angus angusle...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Last Year there was a thread on Goals for 2010: Here is what I submitted: 1. Fix my back (leg pain)...again. 2. Ride either the Katy Trail or CO Canal self supported. 3. Keep riding to work at least once each week. 4. Map a mixed terain ride starting from my front door. 5. Do more S24Os. 6. Continue searching out other East Texas riding areas (I'm still kinda new here). 7. Ride the Mineral Wells Rail Trail, out and back, on the Quickbeam, fixed. 8. Stop trying to make old French bike parts work...they don't. 9. Support RBW and my LBS. 10. Spend more time in the garage. I think I did a good job on 1, 3 (sort of), 8, 9 and 10. For 2011: 1. Spend more time in the garage. 2. Ride the Katy Trail. 3. Three to four rides/week, once of them to work. 4. Ride the Mineral Wells Rail Trail, out and back, on the Quickbeam, fixed. 5. Map a mixed terrain (spelled correctly this time) ride starting from my front door. 6. Continue searching out other East Texas riding areas. 7. Continue to support RBW and my LBS. 8. Finish that DIY LED light I started. 9. Solve the Atlantis BB clunk 10. Eliminate the Rambouillet gear noise Happy New Year! Angus -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Goals for 2011:
Sounds like my kind of plan! (The waking up part includes ample consumption of coffee). Happy New Year! Jim Cloud Tucson, AZ On Dec 31, 7:52 am, Frankwurst fbr...@jwperry.com wrote: Wake up. Everyday. I'll figure out what the goals are after that. On Dec 31, 6:56 am, Angus angusle...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Last Year there was a thread on Goals for 2010: Here is what I submitted: 1. Fix my back (leg pain)...again. 2. Ride either the Katy Trail or CO Canal self supported. 3. Keep riding to work at least once each week. 4. Map a mixed terain ride starting from my front door. 5. Do more S24Os. 6. Continue searching out other East Texas riding areas (I'm still kinda new here). 7. Ride the Mineral Wells Rail Trail, out and back, on the Quickbeam, fixed. 8. Stop trying to make old French bike parts work...they don't. 9. Support RBW and my LBS. 10. Spend more time in the garage. I think I did a good job on 1, 3 (sort of), 8, 9 and 10. For 2011: 1. Spend more time in the garage. 2. Ride the Katy Trail. 3. Three to four rides/week, once of them to work. 4. Ride the Mineral Wells Rail Trail, out and back, on the Quickbeam, fixed. 5. Map a mixed terrain (spelled correctly this time) ride starting from my front door. 6. Continue searching out other East Texas riding areas. 7. Continue to support RBW and my LBS. 8. Finish that DIY LED light I started. 9. Solve the Atlantis BB clunk 10. Eliminate the Rambouillet gear noise Happy New Year! Angus -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: AHH Gets A New Old Crank Set, Old Rear Derailleur - Feels Fantastic !
Very discrete, your from-a-distance full bike shots. Discretion has never been my thing though. Gimme a close up! Awesome bike. On Dec 30, 1:33 pm, AmiSingh asd...@gmail.com wrote: My bicycle came alive today, and we were synchronized. It was a great feeling. Euphoria hit and and drivers kept staring. Maybe it's was because of the big fellow in the red rain-coat riding atop the turmeric-colored double-top-tubed bicycle. I felt like it was because they were celebrating with me in sharing the huge smile upon my face. :) I gotta say, today was a good day. Here's a photo for your viewing pleasure: http://www.flickr.com/photos/amisingh/5307702174/in/photostream/ TA Carmina 185 cranks, Sugino chainrings 52 / 38, Shimano Ultegra 6700 rear derailleur. And waxed chain with a 80 / 20 Mix of Paraffin to Bees Wax for clean silent riding. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Seattle New Years Day Ride
Sorry folks, but am not going to be able to make it. Looks like it will be a great day for a ride, tho. Dress warm. A On Dec 27, 7:24 am, awilliams53 awilliam...@gmail.com wrote: It's on the calendar! - Thanks for organizing, Brian. Andy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] AHH Gets A New Old Crank Set, Old Rear Derailleur - Feels Fantastic !
Isn't the technical term a shit-eating grin? On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 3:33 PM, AmiSingh asd...@gmail.com wrote: My bicycle came alive today, and we were synchronized. It was a great feeling. Euphoria hit and and drivers kept staring. Maybe it's was because of the big fellow in the red rain-coat riding atop the turmeric-colored double-top-tubed bicycle. I felt like it was because they were celebrating with me in sharing the huge smile upon my face. :) I gotta say, today was a good day. Here's a photo for your viewing pleasure: http://www.flickr.com/photos/amisingh/5307702174/in/photostream/ TA Carmina 185 cranks, Sugino chainrings 52 / 38, Shimano Ultegra 6700 rear derailleur. And waxed chain with a 80 / 20 Mix of Paraffin to Bees Wax for clean silent riding. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Goals for 2011:
Even simpler for me: 1. Not get dead. 2. Have fun whenever possible. On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 8:31 AM, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote: Angus, that's a pretty good list of goals and accomplished items. For myself, I feel I rode a tad less this year but still had a ton of fun, hit some new roads and did a ton of riding on platform pedals and in regular clothes which was really rewarding. My main riding goal for the past 3 yrs has been wrapped up in randonneuring. My goals for next year: 1. Finish another super randonneur series and finish each brevet a little faster. 2. A sub-14hr 300k. 3. Do either a 1000k and/or Fleche. 4. More S36Os. 5. At least one multi-day bike tour. 6. Continue to learn how to work on my bike. 7. Read more. My main winter goal was to sell my Rambouillet which isn't much of a goal but it's tough for me to part with stuff and even tougher to actually deal with selling stuff. I have a bunch of bike parts I need to sort through and sell. I also need to figure out what I'm gonna replace the Rambouillet with. --mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: RR 31
Got it; many thanks. Patrick, RR31 is 7 years old. We're up in the 40s now. dougP On Dec 31, 8:25 am, David Faller dfal...@charter.net wrote: Drink a little more coffee, Patrick... On 12/31/2010 8:15 AM, PATRICK MOORE wrote: So RR 31 is out -- great, must buy it. Good article. Whatever G's take on trail, he's built me three excellently handling bikes. On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 9:50 PM, Bill Gibsonbill.bgib...@gmail.com wrote: Did you know the pdf author was Milhouse Vanhouten? Cali is a mythical place, you know...I have it, but I bought the pdfs from Rivendell...I hesitate to violate copyright , but I will quote, assuming you are a loyal customer...Experiments With Rake Trail Fork rake is how much the front wheel is offset from the steering axis a straight line through the center of the head tube. The aspect of the bike s steering geometry that s affected by fork rake is called trail. Don t confuse it with a trail you ride on. Road bikes typically have between 2-inches (50.6mm) and 2 1/2-inches (63.5mm) of trail, and bike journalists who ve written about trail have said 2 1/4-inches (57/58mm) of trail makes a bike not too quick, not too slow, just right. Trail theory says that more trail makes a bike easier to control at high speeds and over rough ground. Mountain bikes typically have between 2 3/4-inches (69.8mm) and three inches 76.2mm) of trail. Less trail, according to theory, makes a bike easier to control at slow speeds, but harder to control when you re going fast, hitting bumps, or both. Trail is affected by: (1) the wheel radius; (2) the head tube angle; and (3) the fork rake (offset).There are three ways to increase trail: Bigger front wheel. Shallower head tube angle. Less fork rake. Most folks who start thinking about trail temporarily get confused at least three times, and think more rake makes more trail. Nupe. To calculate trail using arithmetic: Trail = Wheel radius/Tan. of head tube angle minus fork offset/Sin. of head tube angle. If that s Greek to you, we should be in the same club. I have it programmed on my computer here, so I just plug in the numbers and there you go How Trail Affects Our Frame Designs When I design a Rivendell, I find the typical tire the rider will ride, and then the biggest. For all-purpose road riding, I shoot for 60-61mm of trail with the most common tire. That s more than what experts have said results in neutral handling, but they are not the boss of me. Nor should they be of you! Then I see what the trail is with the largest tire. Normally a customer will say, I ll ride a 700x28 most of the time, but there are some fire roads here, and I ll ride 700x35s when I go there. Well, that works out just fine, because the bigger tire will increase the trail, making the bike better for the fire road (so goes trail theory). Most frame designers have a trail figure they re comfortable with, depending on the bike s intended purpose. But some copy other manufacturer s geometries not a bad thing to do, and I hope we haven t reached the point where somebody out there considers Xmm of trail to be intellectual property. Finally, some builders just know from experience what works, and don t think about trail. That s fine, too! In Italy in the 80s it was common for the top makers to put 45mm of rake on each fork, regardless of the frame s head tube angle. The big bikes, which almost always had steeper head tubes, didn t have much trail, but the little bikes (with slacker head tubes) had more than plenty. I wouldn t say that s all that fine; in fact it seems odd to me. But these same Italian frames were ridden to many prestigious victories, which will impress those in the results speak for themselves camp. I m in the trail doesn t win races camp. When you first learn about trail, you may find yourself getting obsessed. It happened to me and I ve seen it happen to others. Trail is interesting, but it is not the sole splainer of bike handling, something nobody knows better than Waterford s Marc Muller (more on him later). The Educational-Type Fun Begins FOR ABOUT SEVEN YEARS I VE WANTED to experiment with trail by getting some forks with adjustable rakes, so we did. We also got non-adjustable forks with no rake, and with 65mm (whopping lot) of rake. You can do that when you have your own bike company and a publication to get out, but it takes more than snapping your fingers. The bikes are 59cm Romuluses. The Romulus is a road bike with what I think is a perfect geometry for allaround road riding. Pertinent to this story, it has a 73- degree head tube with 42.5mm of rake, which, with the stock Ruffy-Tuffy tire (343mm radius), results in 60mm of trail. It is as familiar to me as it gets. We equipped three bikes with different forks adjustable rake, 0mm rake, and 65mm rake; and of
Re: [RBW] Re: RR 31
31? 41? Where is coffee What number am I thinking of? On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 9:49 AM, doug peterson dougpn...@cox.net wrote: Got it; many thanks. Patrick, RR31 is 7 years old. We're up in the 40s now. dougP On Dec 31, 8:25 am, David Faller dfal...@charter.net wrote: Drink a little more coffee, Patrick... On 12/31/2010 8:15 AM, PATRICK MOORE wrote: So RR 31 is out -- great, must buy it. Good article. Whatever G's take on trail, he's built me three excellently handling bikes. On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 9:50 PM, Bill Gibsonbill.bgib...@gmail.com wrote: Did you know the pdf author was Milhouse Vanhouten? Cali is a mythical place, you know...I have it, but I bought the pdfs from Rivendell...I hesitate to violate copyright , but I will quote, assuming you are a loyal customer...Experiments With Rake Trail Fork rake is how much the front wheel is offset from the steering axis a straight line through the center of the head tube. The aspect of the bike s steering geometry that s affected by fork rake is called trail. Don t confuse it with a trail you ride on. Road bikes typically have between 2-inches (50.6mm) and 2 1/2-inches (63.5mm) of trail, and bike journalists who ve written about trail have said 2 1/4-inches (57/58mm) of trail makes a bike not too quick, not too slow, just right. Trail theory says that more trail makes a bike easier to control at high speeds and over rough ground. Mountain bikes typically have between 2 3/4-inches (69.8mm) and three inches 76.2mm) of trail. Less trail, according to theory, makes a bike easier to control at slow speeds, but harder to control when you re going fast, hitting bumps, or both. Trail is affected by: (1) the wheel radius; (2) the head tube angle; and (3) the fork rake (offset).There are three ways to increase trail: Bigger front wheel. Shallower head tube angle. Less fork rake. Most folks who start thinking about trail temporarily get confused at least three times, and think more rake makes more trail. Nupe. To calculate trail using arithmetic: Trail = Wheel radius/Tan. of head tube angle minus fork offset/Sin. of head tube angle. If that s Greek to you, we should be in the same club. I have it programmed on my computer here, so I just plug in the numbers and there you go How Trail Affects Our Frame Designs When I design a Rivendell, I find the typical tire the rider will ride, and then the biggest. For all-purpose road riding, I shoot for 60-61mm of trail with the most common tire. That s more than what experts have said results in neutral handling, but they are not the boss of me. Nor should they be of you! Then I see what the trail is with the largest tire. Normally a customer will say, I ll ride a 700x28 most of the time, but there are some fire roads here, and I ll ride 700x35s when I go there. Well, that works out just fine, because the bigger tire will increase the trail, making the bike better for the fire road (so goes trail theory). Most frame designers have a trail figure they re comfortable with, depending on the bike s intended purpose. But some copy other manufacturer s geometries not a bad thing to do, and I hope we haven t reached the point where somebody out there considers Xmm of trail to be intellectual property. Finally, some builders just know from experience what works, and don t think about trail. That s fine, too! In Italy in the 80s it was common for the top makers to put 45mm of rake on each fork, regardless of the frame s head tube angle. The big bikes, which almost always had steeper head tubes, didn t have much trail, but the little bikes (with slacker head tubes) had more than plenty. I wouldn t say that s all that fine; in fact it seems odd to me. But these same Italian frames were ridden to many prestigious victories, which will impress those in the results speak for themselves camp. I m in the trail doesn t win races camp. When you first learn about trail, you may find yourself getting obsessed. It happened to me and I ve seen it happen to others. Trail is interesting, but it is not the sole splainer of bike handling, something nobody knows better than Waterford s Marc Muller (more on him later). The Educational-Type Fun Begins FOR ABOUT SEVEN YEARS I VE WANTED to experiment with trail by getting some forks with adjustable rakes, so we did. We also got non-adjustable forks with no rake, and with 65mm (whopping lot) of rake. You can do that when you have your own bike company and a publication to get out, but it takes more than snapping your fingers. The bikes are 59cm Romuluses. The Romulus is a road bike with what I think is a perfect geometry for allaround road riding. Pertinent to this story, it has a 73- degree head tube with 42.5mm of rake, which, with the stock Ruffy-Tuffy tire (343mm radius), results in 60mm of
Re: [RBW] Re: Goals for 2011:
Congrats on joining RUSA. If you are near Springfield, MO, ride our 200K brevet on March 20. I run a 200K and 300K through the St. Louis region. More info here: http://www.rognstads.com/brevets/ If you cannot make the brevet, we have several permanent routes. Good luck in 2011. Ralph If you go long, you will never come back. On 12/31/2010 10:26 AM, William wrote: 2010 was kind of a re-awakening to cycling for me. I almost completely turned over my stable, and developed a vision of what my cycling life is hopefully going to shape up to be in the next decade or 3. My 2010 cycling highlights were the 2 S24O's I did (plus all the buying stuff). I just recently signed up for RUSA and am going to try randonneuring for the first time. My 2011 cycling goals include: 1. Do my first 200k brevet 2. Do another 200k brevet 3. Do a 200k brevet in under 10 hours 4. Do a 300k brevet 5. Set up the garage as a proper workshop 6. 4 S24Os 7. Ride more with the wife and kids 8. Ride to work at least once a week 9. Ride to and from work at least once a month 10. Do one overnight night ride On Dec 31, 4:56 am, Angusangusle...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Last Year there was a thread on Goals for 2010: Here is what I submitted: 1. Fix my back (leg pain)...again. 2. Ride either the Katy Trail or CO Canal self supported. 3. Keep riding to work at least once each week. 4. Map a mixed terain ride starting from my front door. 5. Do more S24Os. 6. Continue searching out other East Texas riding areas (I'm still kinda new here). 7. Ride the Mineral Wells Rail Trail, out and back, on the Quickbeam, fixed. 8. Stop trying to make old French bike parts work...they don't. 9. Support RBW and my LBS. 10. Spend more time in the garage. I think I did a good job on 1, 3 (sort of), 8, 9 and 10. For 2011: 1. Spend more time in the garage. 2. Ride the Katy Trail. 3. Three to four rides/week, once of them to work. 4. Ride the Mineral Wells Rail Trail, out and back, on the Quickbeam, fixed. 5. Map a mixed terrain (spelled correctly this time) ride starting from my front door. 6. Continue searching out other East Texas riding areas. 7. Continue to support RBW and my LBS. 8. Finish that DIY LED light I started. 9. Solve the Atlantis BB clunk 10. Eliminate the Rambouillet gear noise Happy New Year! Angus -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Goals for 2011:
I like this. It sounds achievable. On 12/31/2010 8:46 AM, robert zeidler wrote: Even simpler for me: 1. Not get dead. 2. Have fun whenever possible. On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 8:31 AM, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com mailto:mjawn...@gmail.com wrote: Angus, that's a pretty good list of goals and accomplished items. For myself, I feel I rode a tad less this year but still had a ton of fun, hit some new roads and did a ton of riding on platform pedals and in regular clothes which was really rewarding. My main riding goal for the past 3 yrs has been wrapped up in randonneuring. My goals for next year: 1. Finish another super randonneur series and finish each brevet a little faster. 2. A sub-14hr 300k. 3. Do either a 1000k and/or Fleche. 4. More S36Os. 5. At least one multi-day bike tour. 6. Continue to learn how to work on my bike. 7. Read more. My main winter goal was to sell my Rambouillet which isn't much of a goal but it's tough for me to part with stuff and even tougher to actually deal with selling stuff. I have a bunch of bike parts I need to sort through and sell. I also need to figure out what I'm gonna replace the Rambouillet with. --mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:rbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Handlebar Bag on 60 cm Sam Hillborne
Has anyone successfully mounted a classic handlebar bag with decaleur on a 60 cm Hillborne or other bike with a large drop from stem to top of fender? My Technomic Dlx is at the max exension. I have read poor stability is a potential issue with the integrated decaleur on the VO front rack. Anyone with experience with those and what bag did you use? I'm considering a midsize bag. -Mike C. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Goals for 2011:
Any day that I'm pushing the pedals is a good day, whether it's 10 miles or 70 miles. As to goals, my daughter wants to try a 4 day tour near her home so I'm the enabler coach on that. Put together a guest bike to leave at her house so I don't have to ship the Atlantis. Caveat: said guest bike to be built from whatever is currently in the garage, no parts purchases allowed (so I may be trading for stuff!). Now that my wife has the mini-lantis, it should be easier to drag her away from the desk onto the bike. A couple of double Atlantis tours should be an achievable goal. dougP On Dec 31, 9:43 am, David Faller dfal...@charter.net wrote: I like this. It sounds achievable. On 12/31/2010 8:46 AM, robert zeidler wrote: Even simpler for me: 1. Not get dead. 2. Have fun whenever possible. On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 8:31 AM, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com mailto:mjawn...@gmail.com wrote: Angus, that's a pretty good list of goals and accomplished items. For myself, I feel I rode a tad less this year but still had a ton of fun, hit some new roads and did a ton of riding on platform pedals and in regular clothes which was really rewarding. My main riding goal for the past 3 yrs has been wrapped up in randonneuring. My goals for next year: 1. Finish another super randonneur series and finish each brevet a little faster. 2. A sub-14hr 300k. 3. Do either a 1000k and/or Fleche. 4. More S36Os. 5. At least one multi-day bike tour. 6. Continue to learn how to work on my bike. 7. Read more. My main winter goal was to sell my Rambouillet which isn't much of a goal but it's tough for me to part with stuff and even tougher to actually deal with selling stuff. I have a bunch of bike parts I need to sort through and sell. I also need to figure out what I'm gonna replace the Rambouillet with. --mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:rbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Goals for 2011:
I think I'll keep mine simple. 1. Ride at least one 200km Brevet 2. Bike tour from SF to LA 3. Do two s24o's ( one off road) I'd love to commute but it's 26 miles OW with some very busy hi-way sections. Hopefully I'll solve that when I relocate to Northern San Diego County, (hopefully this year). ~Mike~ On Dec 31, 9:43 am, David Faller dfal...@charter.net wrote: I like this. It sounds achievable. On 12/31/2010 8:46 AM, robert zeidler wrote: Even simpler for me: 1. Not get dead. 2. Have fun whenever possible. On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 8:31 AM, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com mailto:mjawn...@gmail.com wrote: Angus, that's a pretty good list of goals and accomplished items. For myself, I feel I rode a tad less this year but still had a ton of fun, hit some new roads and did a ton of riding on platform pedals and in regular clothes which was really rewarding. My main riding goal for the past 3 yrs has been wrapped up in randonneuring. My goals for next year: 1. Finish another super randonneur series and finish each brevet a little faster. 2. A sub-14hr 300k. 3. Do either a 1000k and/or Fleche. 4. More S36Os. 5. At least one multi-day bike tour. 6. Continue to learn how to work on my bike. 7. Read more. My main winter goal was to sell my Rambouillet which isn't much of a goal but it's tough for me to part with stuff and even tougher to actually deal with selling stuff. I have a bunch of bike parts I need to sort through and sell. I also need to figure out what I'm gonna replace the Rambouillet with. --mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:rbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: FS: Sugino Crankset and SRAM Front Derailleur
Bueller? Anybody? (Happy New Year!) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Seattle New Years Day Ride
One more call out for the Seattle New Year's Rivish ride tomorrow. Time: 11:11am 1/1/11 Place: Herkimer Coffee in the U district (http://bit.ly/dZWDXJ) Plan: Ride north on the Burke until we get cold, grab coffee, and turn around. Weather: Clear! Brian On Sun, Dec 26, 2010 at 11:08 PM, Brian Hanson stone...@gmail.com wrote: As promised at the last ride, I'd like to encourage all the Seattle riv/bob folks to put aside a few hours mid-day on 1/1/11 for a nice balmy New Years ride. I'm thinking we can meet at Herkimer Coffee on University Ave. this time around. In keeping with the unusual times, we'll say 11:11am? There's some nice bike parking at the nearby RE Cycles, too. Since we're a week out, we can play the route by ear - perhaps north this time? It's bound to be a chiller... Brian -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Goals for 2011:
Hey, all those goal-setting workshops Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: David Faller dfal...@charter.net Sender: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 09:43:01 To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Reply-To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Goals for 2011: I like this. It sounds achievable. On 12/31/2010 8:46 AM, robert zeidler wrote: Even simpler for me: 1. Not get dead. 2. Have fun whenever possible. On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 8:31 AM, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com mailto:mjawn...@gmail.com wrote: Angus, that's a pretty good list of goals and accomplished items. For myself, I feel I rode a tad less this year but still had a ton of fun, hit some new roads and did a ton of riding on platform pedals and in regular clothes which was really rewarding. My main riding goal for the past 3 yrs has been wrapped up in randonneuring. My goals for next year: 1. Finish another super randonneur series and finish each brevet a little faster. 2. A sub-14hr 300k. 3. Do either a 1000k and/or Fleche. 4. More S36Os. 5. At least one multi-day bike tour. 6. Continue to learn how to work on my bike. 7. Read more. My main winter goal was to sell my Rambouillet which isn't much of a goal but it's tough for me to part with stuff and even tougher to actually deal with selling stuff. I have a bunch of bike parts I need to sort through and sell. I also need to figure out what I'm gonna replace the Rambouillet with. --mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:rbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Goals for 2011:
That's 2 San Francisco to SoCal riders, I'll make it 3. Sounds like the makings of a Rivendell tour. Nor Cal riders could take the train back to Bay Area. Think about it, boys'n'girlssummertime, the Big Sur coast, tailwinds. Out of area riders can fly into SFO out of LAX or San Diego. A worthy goal: Complete multi-day, self supported bike tour. dougP On Dec 31, 10:19 am, Michael_S mikeybi...@rocketmail.com wrote: I think I'll keep mine simple. 1. Ride at least one 200km Brevet 2. Bike tour from SF to LA 3. Do two s24o's ( one off road) I'd love to commute but it's 26 miles OW with some very busy hi-way sections. Hopefully I'll solve that when I relocate to Northern San Diego County, (hopefully this year). ~Mike~ On Dec 31, 9:43 am, David Faller dfal...@charter.net wrote: I like this. It sounds achievable. On 12/31/2010 8:46 AM, robert zeidler wrote: Even simpler for me: 1. Not get dead. 2. Have fun whenever possible. On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 8:31 AM, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com mailto:mjawn...@gmail.com wrote: Angus, that's a pretty good list of goals and accomplished items. For myself, I feel I rode a tad less this year but still had a ton of fun, hit some new roads and did a ton of riding on platform pedals and in regular clothes which was really rewarding. My main riding goal for the past 3 yrs has been wrapped up in randonneuring. My goals for next year: 1. Finish another super randonneur series and finish each brevet a little faster. 2. A sub-14hr 300k. 3. Do either a 1000k and/or Fleche. 4. More S36Os. 5. At least one multi-day bike tour. 6. Continue to learn how to work on my bike. 7. Read more. My main winter goal was to sell my Rambouillet which isn't much of a goal but it's tough for me to part with stuff and even tougher to actually deal with selling stuff. I have a bunch of bike parts I need to sort through and sell. I also need to figure out what I'm gonna replace the Rambouillet with. --mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:rbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.-Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Goals for 2011:
I realized that I've done multiple sub 14hr 300k's. Ill shoot for a sub 13hr but am even pondering a finish right at 12hrs. --mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Handlebar Bag on 60 cm Sam Hillborne
I ride a 63cm AHH and use the largest size Berthoud bag. I've used both the Berthoud decaleur which attaches to the stem on the HB bold and the VO headset spacer decaleur. Both have their advantages. Not sure which would work best for your bike. The VO model is certainly the cheaper of the two but the Berthoud is more secure. With the VO model the bag can pop out of the decauler on bumpy roads. I like the taller bag as it's easier to read a cue sheet and access the inside of the main compartment. With a smaller bag it might be a little harder to access depending on your bar height. If you don't need the space on your handlebars for a computer or lights you could consider the Sackville BarSack. I'm not sure if it will affect the handling of your bike significantly but it seems a nice enough design and certainly easier to set up and remove from the bike. Good luck. Be sure to let us know what you go with. --mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Handlebar Bag on 60 cm Sam Hillborne
Go with a loafer and a bar tube combo. easy. I know the boxy bag is pretty, but I didn't like it. Prefer a bar bag with straps. Plus, the loafer is super duper secure on a rack and the tube gives you riding access to the few things you'll want while riding. A thought anyway. Scott On Dec 31, 2:03 pm, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote: I ride a 63cm AHH and use the largest size Berthoud bag. I've used both the Berthoud decaleur which attaches to the stem on the HB bold and the VO headset spacer decaleur. Both have their advantages. Not sure which would work best for your bike. The VO model is certainly the cheaper of the two but the Berthoud is more secure. With the VO model the bag can pop out of the decauler on bumpy roads. I like the taller bag as it's easier to read a cue sheet and access the inside of the main compartment. With a smaller bag it might be a little harder to access depending on your bar height. If you don't need the space on your handlebars for a computer or lights you could consider the Sackville BarSack. I'm not sure if it will affect the handling of your bike significantly but it seems a nice enough design and certainly easier to set up and remove from the bike. Good luck. Be sure to let us know what you go with. --mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Goals for 2011:
+ 1. Have Fun. 2. Ride lots. Beyond this I lose my bearings, get real confused. Not good. -JimD On Dec 31, 2010, at 8:46 AM, robert zeidler wrote: Even simpler for me: 1. Not get dead. 2. Have fun whenever possible. On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 8:31 AM, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote: Angus, that's a pretty good list of goals and accomplished items. For myself, I feel I rode a tad less this year but still had a ton of fun, hit some new roads and did a ton of riding on platform pedals and in regular clothes which was really rewarding. My main riding goal for the past 3 yrs has been wrapped up in randonneuring. My goals for next year: 1. Finish another super randonneur series and finish each brevet a little faster. 2. A sub-14hr 300k. 3. Do either a 1000k and/or Fleche. 4. More S36Os. 5. At least one multi-day bike tour. 6. Continue to learn how to work on my bike. 7. Read more. My main winter goal was to sell my Rambouillet which isn't much of a goal but it's tough for me to part with stuff and even tougher to actually deal with selling stuff. I have a bunch of bike parts I need to sort through and sell. I also need to figure out what I'm gonna replace the Rambouillet with. --mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners- bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en . -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners- bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en . -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Handlebar Bag on 60 cm Sam Hillborne
Another option I'm partial to is the Acorn Boxy Rando on the little Nitto mini front rack. It leaves the handlebars completely free. It comes with 4 velcro straps to attach to the rack platform plus a sleeve that slips over the vertical piece on the back of the rack. I added a couple of D-rings to the bottom toward the front and some shock cord to make it easier to take off / on than the 4 straps. Either way it's super secure holds a ton of stuff. Unless grossly over-loaded, it doesn't have much affect on handling on my 58 cm Atlantis. OTH, another list member had the same set-up on I think a 60 cm AHH and seriously did not like what it did to his handling. Bags can be funny that way. dougP On Dec 31, 12:08 pm, scott clankbonesh...@gmail.com wrote: Go with a loafer and a bar tube combo. easy. I know the boxy bag is pretty, but I didn't like it. Prefer a bar bag with straps. Plus, the loafer is super duper secure on a rack and the tube gives you riding access to the few things you'll want while riding. A thought anyway. Scott On Dec 31, 2:03 pm, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote: I ride a 63cm AHH and use the largest size Berthoud bag. I've used both the Berthoud decaleur which attaches to the stem on the HB bold and the VO headset spacer decaleur. Both have their advantages. Not sure which would work best for your bike. The VO model is certainly the cheaper of the two but the Berthoud is more secure. With the VO model the bag can pop out of the decauler on bumpy roads. I like the taller bag as it's easier to read a cue sheet and access the inside of the main compartment. With a smaller bag it might be a little harder to access depending on your bar height. If you don't need the space on your handlebars for a computer or lights you could consider the Sackville BarSack. I'm not sure if it will affect the handling of your bike significantly but it seems a nice enough design and certainly easier to set up and remove from the bike. Good luck. Be sure to let us know what you go with. --mike- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Goals for 2011:
1. Ride more- ride more with friends, get out on the tandem more with my wife. 2. Simplify- simplify the demands on my time, simplify my excessive collection of belongings that I don't use. 3. Spend more time with family and friends. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Goals for 2011:
Angus, Some of our 2011 goals overlap... Time in the garage Mineral Wells Rail Trail Katy Trail DIY LED Since I live north of Fort Worth, I'd be happy to join you for the Mineral Wells Rail Trail ride, if you're looking for company. I rode out there with a friend to the State Park this year for an over- nighter and had a great time... http://chris-pondero.blogspot.com/2010/10/lake-mineral-wells-state-park.html Chris On Dec 31, 6:56 am, Angus angusle...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Last Year there was a thread on Goals for 2010: Here is what I submitted: 1. Fix my back (leg pain)...again. 2. Ride either the Katy Trail or CO Canal self supported. 3. Keep riding to work at least once each week. 4. Map a mixed terain ride starting from my front door. 5. Do more S24Os. 6. Continue searching out other East Texas riding areas (I'm still kinda new here). 7. Ride the Mineral Wells Rail Trail, out and back, on the Quickbeam, fixed. 8. Stop trying to make old French bike parts work...they don't. 9. Support RBW and my LBS. 10. Spend more time in the garage. I think I did a good job on 1, 3 (sort of), 8, 9 and 10. For 2011: 1. Spend more time in the garage. 2. Ride the Katy Trail. 3. Three to four rides/week, once of them to work. 4. Ride the Mineral Wells Rail Trail, out and back, on the Quickbeam, fixed. 5. Map a mixed terrain (spelled correctly this time) ride starting from my front door. 6. Continue searching out other East Texas riding areas. 7. Continue to support RBW and my LBS. 8. Finish that DIY LED light I started. 9. Solve the Atlantis BB clunk 10. Eliminate the Rambouillet gear noise Happy New Year! Angus -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Handlebar Bag on 60 cm Sam Hillborne
I'm using the Velo Orange Traditional Stem Mount Decaleur (http:// store.velo-orange.com/index.php/accessories/racks-decaleurs/decaleurs/ vo-traditional-stem-mount.html) with the largest model of the Berthoud handlebar bag (GB2886) and a Mark's Rack as the support on the bottom of the bag. The bike is a 1996 model 65cm Rivendell Road Standard. Here's a photo that shows the installation of the stem mount decaleur - http://www.flickr.com/photos/37964...@n05/3634095108/in/set-72157619758078965/. Its worked perfectly in my experience and I haven't had any problems with the installation. There have been some recent threads on another forum (i-BOB) concerning a friction fit not being sufficient to retain a handlebar bag to the decaleur (these included a classic French decaleur on a very pricey new Alex Singer Randonneur bike). The posters reported that their handlebar bags had been ejected from the rack of their bike, and they had run over the bag narrowly avoiding a nasty crash. One possible solution to this problem was developed by Peter Weigle, who certainly has plenty of experience building and riding these type of bikes! Here's a photo on Peter's Flickr photostream that shows the technique: http://www.flickr.com/photos/49353569(AT)N00/4971213280/in/photostream/ Note that the photo has note(s) that describe the solution. In the case of his application, he was able to dispense with a decaleur entirely, although he doesn't suggest this on a larger model handlebar bag such as the Berthoud GB2886. Jim Cloud On Dec 30, 11:06 am, MikeC mecinib...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Has anyone successfully mounted a classic handlebar bag with decaleur on a 60 cm Hillborne or other bike with a large drop from stem to top of fender? My Technomic Dlx is at the max exension. I have read poor stability is a potential issue with the integrated decaleur on the VO front rack. Anyone with experience with those and what bag did you use? I'm considering a midsize bag. -Mike C. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Handlebar Bag on 60 cm Sam Hillborne
On Fri, 2010-12-31 at 14:09 -0800, Jim Cloud wrote: I'm using the Velo Orange Traditional Stem Mount Decaleur (http:// store.velo-orange.com/index.php/accessories/racks-decaleurs/decaleurs/ vo-traditional-stem-mount.html) with the largest model of the Berthoud handlebar bag (GB2886) and a Mark's Rack as the support on the bottom of the bag. The bike is a 1996 model 65cm Rivendell Road Standard. Here's a photo that shows the installation of the stem mount decaleur - http://www.flickr.com/photos/37964...@n05/3634095108/in/set-72157619758078965/. Its worked perfectly in my experience and I haven't had any problems with the installation. There have been some recent threads on another forum (i-BOB) concerning a friction fit not being sufficient to retain a handlebar bag to the decaleur (these included a classic French decaleur on a very pricey new Alex Singer Randonneur bike). The posters reported that their handlebar bags had been ejected from the rack of their bike, and they had run over the bag narrowly avoiding a nasty crash. One possible solution to this problem was developed by Peter Weigle, who certainly has plenty of experience building and riding these type of bikes! Here's a photo on Peter's Flickr photostream that shows the technique: http://www.flickr.com/photos/49353569(AT)N00/4971213280/in/photostream/ Note that the photo has note(s) that describe the solution. In the case of his application, he was able to dispense with a decaleur entirely, although he doesn't suggest this on a larger model handlebar bag such as the Berthoud GB2886. I solved the problem once for all with a small strap - perhaps one supplied with one of the handlebar bags for a strap-on mount - that I wrap over the decaleur bar on the back of the bag and one of the arms of the decaleur mounted to the bike. Takes a second to attach, and it's absolutely rock solid, no way all all a bag can come off until the strap is unfastened. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Handlebar Bag on 60 cm Sam Hillborne
Sorry, the link to Peter Weigle's Flickr photo was corrupted in my initial post. Here's the correct link: http://www.flickr.com/photos/49353...@n00/4971213280/in/photostream/ Jim Cloud On Dec 31, 3:09 pm, Jim Cloud cloud...@aol.com wrote: I'm using the Velo Orange Traditional Stem Mount Decaleur (http:// store.velo-orange.com/index.php/accessories/racks-decaleurs/decaleurs/ vo-traditional-stem-mount.html) with the largest model of the Berthoud handlebar bag (GB2886) and a Mark's Rack as the support on the bottom of the bag. The bike is a 1996 model 65cm Rivendell Road Standard. Here's a photo that shows the installation of the stem mount decaleur -http://www.flickr.com/photos/37964...@n05/3634095108/in/set-721576197 Its worked perfectly in my experience and I haven't had any problems with the installation. There have been some recent threads on another forum (i-BOB) concerning a friction fit not being sufficient to retain a handlebar bag to the decaleur (these included a classic French decaleur on a very pricey new Alex Singer Randonneur bike). The posters reported that their handlebar bags had been ejected from the rack of their bike, and they had run over the bag narrowly avoiding a nasty crash. One possible solution to this problem was developed by Peter Weigle, who certainly has plenty of experience building and riding these type of bikes! Here's a photo on Peter's Flickr photostream that shows the technique:http://www.flickr.com/photos/49353569(AT)N00/4971213280/in/photostream/ Note that the photo has note(s) that describe the solution. In the case of his application, he was able to dispense with a decaleur entirely, although he doesn't suggest this on a larger model handlebar bag such as the Berthoud GB2886. Jim Cloud On Dec 30, 11:06 am, MikeC mecinib...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Has anyone successfully mounted a classic handlebar bag with decaleur on a 60 cm Hillborne or other bike with a large drop from stem to top of fender? My Technomic Dlx is at the max exension. I have read poor stability is a potential issue with the integrated decaleur on the VO front rack. Anyone with experience with those and what bag did you use? I'm considering a midsize bag. -Mike C. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Goals for 2011:
This past year I completed my first 200K on a Seven Alaris. For the coming year I will attempt a 200K on the Romulus, plus a 200K and a 300K on the Alaris. Anything beyond this in terms of randonneuring will be gravy. I am going to increase distances gradually year over year as I train for PBP 2015. I also want to do at least one three-to-four day bicycle camping trip with my girlfriend. We always have a blast on these but haven't done one in over two years. Overall mileage goal for 2011 is 10 miles per day (3650 for the year). I am going to include miles across all bikes in the stable, stationary bikes at the gym, spin classes, miles on the trainer at home, etc. to achieve this. Tomorrow I need to install computers on two of my bikes that don't currently have them. I am going to reset all of the odometers to 0 for January 1, 2011 so I can easily track my progress. One of my optional commuting routes (north along Hudson River on NJ side, across GWB, and south along West Side Hwy) is 20 miles each way, so if I can do that somewhat regularly plus decent rides on the weekend, and a few brevets thrown in I think 3650 is achievable. If anyone here who achieves this yearly mileage and has advice, please share. I rode about 1500 this past year but I also didn't ride for close to four months (due to crazy work schedule and an injury). I also plan to cross train a lot more with weights and continue with my regular yoga routine. Oh, and I will completely eliminate caffeine and refined sugars (exceptions being meals consumed on big ride days). Giving up alcohol completely too, which I've pretty much done already. On Dec 31, 2010, at 7:56 AM, Angus angusle...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Last Year there was a thread on Goals for 2010: Here is what I submitted: 1. Fix my back (leg pain)...again. 2. Ride either the Katy Trail or CO Canal self supported. 3. Keep riding to work at least once each week. 4. Map a mixed terain ride starting from my front door. 5. Do more S24Os. 6. Continue searching out other East Texas riding areas (I'm still kinda new here). 7. Ride the Mineral Wells Rail Trail, out and back, on the Quickbeam, fixed. 8. Stop trying to make old French bike parts work...they don't. 9. Support RBW and my LBS. 10. Spend more time in the garage. I think I did a good job on 1, 3 (sort of), 8, 9 and 10. For 2011: 1. Spend more time in the garage. 2. Ride the Katy Trail. 3. Three to four rides/week, once of them to work. 4. Ride the Mineral Wells Rail Trail, out and back, on the Quickbeam, fixed. 5. Map a mixed terrain (spelled correctly this time) ride starting from my front door. 6. Continue searching out other East Texas riding areas. 7. Continue to support RBW and my LBS. 8. Finish that DIY LED light I started. 9. Solve the Atlantis BB clunk 10. Eliminate the Rambouillet gear noise Happy New Year! Angus -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Handlebar Bag on 60 cm Sam Hillborne
I have heard the siren song of the Berthoud bag and managed to resist. The main detractor for me is that the larger bag will look best with my 63 Roadeo, and then I would fill it, compulsively with stuff just becauce I had the space. I opted for the Acorn Hobo style bag and a Nitto light mount 2: http://www.flickr.com/photos/rperks1/4380585188/in/set-72157622875811028/ So far so good, I have other bags to add storage on the bike as needed. Camera, phone wallet and other quick on the bike typ ethings go in the front, the rest is in the middle or rear. The set up has not significantly hurt handling as far as I can detect. Rob - http://oceanaircycles.com/ On Dec 30, 10:06 am, MikeC mecinib...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Has anyone successfully mounted a classic handlebar bag with decaleur on a 60 cm Hillborne or other bike with a large drop from stem to top of fender? My Technomic Dlx is at the max exension. I have read poor stability is a potential issue with the integrated decaleur on the VO front rack. Anyone with experience with those and what bag did you use? I'm considering a midsize bag. -Mike C. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Goals for 2011:
Happy New Year to all. 2010 was a really awesome bike year for me. I bought my first Rivendell (for starters... WOO HOO!!!) Some of the memorable things from 2010 included a trip to the National Bike Summit in Washington (I arrived on bike), a week of awesome mountain biking in Colorado (Crested Butte and Monarch Crest), and did some fantastic rides in my own backyard. But what brought me the most joy was renaissancing (and giving away) some really beautiful bikes. I didn't realize how busy I was until I counted them up... I actually produced (ie built up/configured/renaissanced) a total of 10 bikes this year, giving away six of them to family members, who rediscovered their lost love of riding through these bikes... gee, no wonder I had so much fun. Here's a list of the bikes I produced: The One / Beer Truck (1985 Stumpjumper renaissance) - http://www.flickr.com/photos/16461...@n04/4415139338/in/set-721576235... Son of Beast - 2007 Salsa Ala Carte (roadster) http://www.flickr.com/photos/16461...@n04/4105602987/in/set-721576226... Drumpy - (1984 Stumpjumper) http://www.flickr.com/photos/16461...@n04/4470313095/in/set-721576235... The Mongo Rando - (1985 Mongoose ATB) http://www.flickr.com/photos/16461...@n04/4766606606/in/set-721576243... Trek 950 - http://www.flickr.com/photos/16461...@n04/4521901555/in/set-721576237... Princess Fiona - late 80s Giant Rincon http://www.flickr.com/photos/16461...@n04/4778621704/in/set-721576237... Big White Boy - 1990 Giant ATX 770 commuter (no photo) Peter Lemonjello - 1989 yellow Rockhopper commuter with vintage parts - no photo Rivendell Bombadil build up - http://www.flickr.com/photos/16461...@n04/5024006043/in/set-721576250... Mongo Drumbo (1985 Mongoose ATB) - http://www.flickr.com/photos/16461...@n04/5310495384/in/set-721576257... I can't imagine repeating all this in 2011, but I do have a few cool ideas planned, including: Hosting Riv Rally East, May 6-8 in Wellsboro PA ... WOO HOO!!! Renaissancing his and hers Gazelle Sport Luxe bicycles, converting from single speed coaster to 3 speed drum-brake. Renaissancing (with period parts) an early 1983 (Tim Neenan) StumpJumper Resurrecting a dormant, once-renaissanced 1985 Rockhopper Converting my 1986 Nishiki Prestige SS to both a 2-speed version and a fully-geared version... ALSO, Philip Williamson (aka BikeTinker) and I will be administering the Renaissance Bicycles Group, picking up the torch from Bryan Luce of Renaissance Bicycles. I know that many folks in this group regularly restore, renaissance or otherwise rejuvinate older bikes... I'd like to invite you all to join this group, link your posts, or simply add it to your favorites - http://groups.google.com/group/renaissanced-bicycle-group Hope your 2010 was great, and 2011 is even greater Peace, Bobby Birmingham On Dec 31, 6:15 pm, Curtis Schmitt curtisrschm...@gmail.com wrote: This past year I completed my first 200K on a Seven Alaris. For the coming year I will attempt a 200K on the Romulus, plus a 200K and a 300K on the Alaris. Anything beyond this in terms of randonneuring will be gravy. I am going to increase distances gradually year over year as I train for PBP 2015. I also want to do at least one three-to-four day bicycle camping trip with my girlfriend. We always have a blast on these but haven't done one in over two years. Overall mileage goal for 2011 is 10 miles per day (3650 for the year). I am going to include miles across all bikes in the stable, stationary bikes at the gym, spin classes, miles on the trainer at home, etc. to achieve this. Tomorrow I need to install computers on two of my bikes that don't currently have them. I am going to reset all of the odometers to 0 for January 1, 2011 so I can easily track my progress. One of my optional commuting routes (north along Hudson River on NJ side, across GWB, and south along West Side Hwy) is 20 miles each way, so if I can do that somewhat regularly plus decent rides on the weekend, and a few brevets thrown in I think 3650 is achievable. If anyone here who achieves this yearly mileage and has advice, please share. I rode about 1500 this past year but I also didn't ride for close to four months (due to crazy work schedule and an injury). I also plan to cross train a lot more with weights and continue with my regular yoga routine. Oh, and I will completely eliminate caffeine and refined sugars (exceptions being meals consumed on big ride days). Giving up alcohol completely too, which I've pretty much done already. On Dec 31, 2010, at 7:56 AM, Angus angusle...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Last Year there was a thread on Goals for 2010: Here is what I submitted: 1. Fix my back (leg pain)...again. 2. Ride either the Katy Trail or CO Canal self supported. 3. Keep riding to work at least once each week. 4. Map a mixed terain ride starting from my front door. 5. Do more S24Os. 6. Continue searching out other East Texas
Re: [RBW] Re: Handlebar Bag on 60 cm Sam Hillborne
On Fri, 2010-12-31 at 15:41 -0800, rperks wrote: The main detractor for me is that the larger bag will look best with my 63 Roadeo, and then I would fill it, compulsively with stuff just becauce I had the space. Don't be so sure. Many times I have nothing in my extra large size Berthoud except phone, glasses, car keys, tools and a couple of sandwiches. You need to size the bag to fit into the space between the rack and the decaleur, and in my case that means that only the GB28 size will do. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: RR 31
42 On Dec 31, 2010, at 8:56 AM, PATRICK MOORE wrote: 31? 41? Where is coffee What number am I thinking of? On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 9:49 AM, doug peterson dougpn...@cox.net wrote: Got it; many thanks. Patrick, RR31 is 7 years old. We're up in the 40s now. dougP On Dec 31, 8:25 am, David Faller dfal...@charter.net wrote: Drink a little more coffee, Patrick... On 12/31/2010 8:15 AM, PATRICK MOORE wrote: So RR 31 is out -- great, must buy it. Good article. Whatever G's take on trail, he's built me three excellently handling bikes. On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 9:50 PM, Bill Gibsonbill.bgib...@gmail.com wrote: Did you know the pdf author was Milhouse Vanhouten? Cali is a mythical place, you know...I have it, but I bought the pdfs from Rivendell...I hesitate to violate copyright , but I will quote, assuming you are a loyal customer...Experiments With Rake Trail Fork rake is how much the front wheel is offset from the steering axis a straight line through the center of the head tube. The aspect of the bike s steering geometry that s affected by fork rake is called trail. Don t confuse it with a trail you ride on. Road bikes typically have between 2-inches (50.6mm) and 2 1/2-inches (63.5mm) of trail, and bike journalists who ve written about trail have said 2 1/4-inches (57/58mm) of trail makes a bike not too quick, not too slow, just right. Trail theory says that more trail makes a bike easier to control at high speeds and over rough ground. Mountain bikes typically have between 2 3/4-inches (69.8mm) and three inches 76.2mm) of trail. Less trail, according to theory, makes a bike easier to control at slow speeds, but harder to control when you re going fast, hitting bumps, or both. Trail is affected by: (1) the wheel radius; (2) the head tube angle; and (3) the fork rake (offset).There are three ways to increase trail: Bigger front wheel. Shallower head tube angle. Less fork rake. Most folks who start thinking about trail temporarily get confused at least three times, and think more rake makes more trail. Nupe. To calculate trail using arithmetic: Trail = Wheel radius/Tan. of head tube angle minus fork offset/Sin. of head tube angle. If that s Greek to you, we should be in the same club. I have it programmed on my computer here, so I just plug in the numbers and there you go How Trail Affects Our Frame Designs When I design a Rivendell, I find the typical tire the rider will ride, and then the biggest. For all-purpose road riding, I shoot for 60-61mm of trail with the most common tire. That s more than what experts have said results in neutral handling, but they are not the boss of me. Nor should they be of you! Then I see what the trail is with the largest tire. Normally a customer will say, I ll ride a 700x28 most of the time, but there are some fire roads here, and I ll ride 700x35s when I go there. Well, that works out just fine, because the bigger tire will increase the trail, making the bike better for the fire road (so goes trail theory). Most frame designers have a trail figure they re comfortable with, depending on the bike s intended purpose. But some copy other manufacturer s geometries not a bad thing to do, and I hope we haven t reached the point where somebody out there considers Xmm of trail to be intellectual property. Finally, some builders just know from experience what works, and don t think about trail. That s fine, too! In Italy in the 80s it was common for the top makers to put 45mm of rake on each fork, regardless of the frame s head tube angle. The big bikes, which almost always had steeper head tubes, didn t have much trail, but the little bikes (with slacker head tubes) had more than plenty. I wouldn t say that s all that fine; in fact it seems odd to me. But these same Italian frames were ridden to many prestigious victories, which will impress those in the results speak for themselves camp. I m in the trail doesn t win races camp. When you first learn about trail, you may find yourself getting obsessed. It happened to me and I ve seen it happen to others. Trail is interesting, but it is not the sole splainer of bike handling, something nobody knows better than Waterford s Marc Muller (more on him later). The Educational-Type Fun Begins FOR ABOUT SEVEN YEARS I VE WANTED to experiment with trail by getting some forks with adjustable rakes, so we did. We also got non-adjustable forks with no rake, and with 65mm (whopping lot) of rake. You can do that when you have your own bike company and a publication to get out, but it takes more than snapping your fingers. The bikes are 59cm Romuluses. The Romulus is a road bike with what I think is a perfect geometry for allaround road riding. Pertinent to this story, it has a 73- degree head tube with 42.5mm of rake, which, with the stock Ruffy-Tuffy tire (343mm radius), results in 60mm of trail. It is as familiar to
[RBW] Roadeo Ride, New Year's Eve
Two Old Freds having a time. A few nice shots of the Roadeo on a beautiful ride. The more I ride this frame, the more it seems almost perfect. I worked hard on thehills today - - as you can see from the pics, your author is not a small lad - - and the bike was comfy, solid, and happy. Can't say enough good about this bicycle. http://www.flickr.com/photos/41563...@n06/sets/72157625591313441/?photo_deleted=5310472393 Ride details here: not too far, but about 3500' of climb: http://connect.garmin.com/activity/61335075 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Goals for 2011:
I'm thinking along the same lines. - Simplify stuff. Minimize all the stuff I keep to the basics (maybe 3 instead of 4 bikes!). Consume more thoughtfully. - Ride a lot, drive even less - Enjoy family On Dec 31, 4:58 pm, Tim McNamara tim...@bitstream.net wrote: 1. Ride more- ride more with friends, get out on the tandem more with my wife. 2. Simplify- simplify the demands on my time, simplify my excessive collection of belongings that I don't use. 3. Spend more time with family and friends. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Goals for 2011:
Wow. Goals? There was a goals thread last year? Huh. I don't remember that one. Here goes: --Learn to work out at a gym (getting a head start on this as Sweetie and I gave each other gym memberships for Chanukah) so I can get stronger, more flexible and reduce stress. --Ride more often, even if not for longer distances. --Remember that I ride because it's still the loveliest way to get from place to place. --Find ways to help my Sweetie be more comfortable on/interested in riding her bicycle, without making her feel nervous or pressured about it. --Stop being such a grump and cynic about the state of the world, and focus more on the good that is, and that is possible. Happy riding in 2011! --beth -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Handlebar Bag on 60 cm Sam Hillborne
If you go with the clamp on approach ( JP Weigle) and use P clips you need to use a smaller bag anyway for stability. I'm heading down that road myself. I like being able to remove the bag and not have a decaleur left hanging out there. That way you also don't have to worry about over filling it. Since I ride a 58-59cm bike the smaller bag seems OK.. Although Mr Weigle's bag looks fine and his bikes are 62ish ( I believe). ~Mike~ On Dec 31, 3:58 pm, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Fri, 2010-12-31 at 15:41 -0800, rperks wrote: The main detractor for me is that the larger bag will look best with my 63 Roadeo, and then I would fill it, compulsively with stuff just becauce I had the space. Don't be so sure. Many times I have nothing in my extra large size Berthoud except phone, glasses, car keys, tools and a couple of sandwiches. You need to size the bag to fit into the space between the rack and the decaleur, and in my case that means that only the GB28 size will do. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Rare Bridgestone MB-1
I have no interest in this sale, just passing along the information. http://hartford.craigslist.org/bik/2137922410.html -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Handlebar Bag on 60 cm Sam Hillborne
I do something similar with my Ostrich bag and VO headset-mount decaleur. I loop an old toe strap over the decaleur attachment bar, and down through the loop at the back of the Nito M12. This pulls the decaleur down onto the supporting tubes and holds it very securely. It goes on in maybe 15 seconds, and comes off even faster. Without the strap I did have the bag eject once. Bill On Dec 31, 2:21 pm, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Fri, 2010-12-31 at 14:09 -0800, Jim Cloud wrote: I'm using the Velo Orange Traditional Stem Mount Decaleur (http:// store.velo-orange.com/index.php/accessories/racks-decaleurs/decaleurs/ vo-traditional-stem-mount.html) with the largest model of the Berthoud handlebar bag (GB2886) and a Mark's Rack as the support on the bottom of the bag. The bike is a 1996 model 65cm Rivendell Road Standard. Here's a photo that shows the installation of the stem mount decaleur -http://www.flickr.com/photos/37964...@n05/3634095108/in/set-721576197 Its worked perfectly in my experience and I haven't had any problems with the installation. There have been some recent threads on another forum (i-BOB) concerning a friction fit not being sufficient to retain a handlebar bag to the decaleur (these included a classic French decaleur on a very pricey new Alex Singer Randonneur bike). The posters reported that their handlebar bags had been ejected from the rack of their bike, and they had run over the bag narrowly avoiding a nasty crash. One possible solution to this problem was developed by Peter Weigle, who certainly has plenty of experience building and riding these type of bikes! Here's a photo on Peter's Flickr photostream that shows the technique: http://www.flickr.com/photos/49353569(AT)N00/4971213280/in/photostream/ Note that the photo has note(s) that describe the solution. In the case of his application, he was able to dispense with a decaleur entirely, although he doesn't suggest this on a larger model handlebar bag such as the Berthoud GB2886. I solved the problem once for all with a small strap - perhaps one supplied with one of the handlebar bags for a strap-on mount - that I wrap over the decaleur bar on the back of the bag and one of the arms of the decaleur mounted to the bike. Takes a second to attach, and it's absolutely rock solid, no way all all a bag can come off until the strap is unfastened. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Goals for 2011:
Cycling goals for this year: Stay healthy enough to keep riding. 2008-10 included five eye surgeries, passing a stone, a badly sprained ankle and a massive UTI all of which knocked my off of the bike long enough to lose a bunch of fitness. Ride at least one full century (that would be my first since ~1993), maybe a 200k if all goes well. Get a bike dialed in for mixed-terrain riding, and get off of the pavement some. Get my 1984 Miyata 1000 back on the road as my regular commuter, replacing the Kogswell I commuted on last year. Build a new set of 650b wheels (Dyad rims and Phil hubs are in house, waiting on spokes) and either find a 650b setup I'm fully happy with or bail out of that size and go back to 622 and 559 only. Onnellista uutta vuotta! Bill Mennuti On Dec 31, 4:56 am, Angus angusle...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Last Year there was a thread on Goals for 2010: Here is what I submitted: 1. Fix my back (leg pain)...again. 2. Ride either the Katy Trail or CO Canal self supported. 3. Keep riding to work at least once each week. 4. Map a mixed terain ride starting from my front door. 5. Do more S24Os. 6. Continue searching out other East Texas riding areas (I'm still kinda new here). 7. Ride the Mineral Wells Rail Trail, out and back, on the Quickbeam, fixed. 8. Stop trying to make old French bike parts work...they don't. 9. Support RBW and my LBS. 10. Spend more time in the garage. I think I did a good job on 1, 3 (sort of), 8, 9 and 10. For 2011: 1. Spend more time in the garage. 2. Ride the Katy Trail. 3. Three to four rides/week, once of them to work. 4. Ride the Mineral Wells Rail Trail, out and back, on the Quickbeam, fixed. 5. Map a mixed terrain (spelled correctly this time) ride starting from my front door. 6. Continue searching out other East Texas riding areas. 7. Continue to support RBW and my LBS. 8. Finish that DIY LED light I started. 9. Solve the Atlantis BB clunk 10. Eliminate the Rambouillet gear noise Happy New Year! Angus -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
RE: [RBW] Roadeo Ride, New Year's Eve
Beautiful! Congratulations on your ride and thanks for sharing the pics! I went on my first off road ride on my new Sam Hillborne today. I only covered about three miles or so through hardwoods, bottoms and a couple creeks. But, I did prove to myself I can do it. I will post pics and a small write up about it later. best, JimP Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 16:12:50 -0800 Subject: [RBW] Roadeo Ride, New Year's Eve From: be...@perrylaw.net To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Two Old Freds having a time. A few nice shots of the Roadeo on a beautiful ride. The more I ride this frame, the more it seems almost perfect. I worked hard on thehills today - - as you can see from the pics, your author is not a small lad - - and the bike was comfy, solid, and happy. Can't say enough good about this bicycle. http://www.flickr.com/photos/41563...@n06/sets/72157625591313441/?photo_deleted=5310472393 Ride details here: not too far, but about 3500' of climb: http://connect.garmin.com/activity/61335075 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: A couple of grainy Sam photos.
Ah yes, on further reflection (that my Sam is from the first batch of orange from Taiwan (nothing wrong with that except no upper eyelets on fork and no rear cable hanger) still love it) and visual inspection: no upper eyelets on fork! I won't be putting that Pletscher rack on the front. No biggie. It will do the same tricks on the back. Cheers y'all and happy new year! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Last Day of 2010 Ride - a set on Flickr
Photos from today's lugged-steel-riding, wool-wearing, leather-saddled ride: http://www.flickr.com/photos/35176...@n03/sets/72157625717428078/ Watch this space for the premiere of the video ... coming soon! --Eric campyonly...@me.com www.campyonly.com www.wheelsnorth.org -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Goals for 2011:
Actually may seem weird, but - 1. Ride less. Put in the most mileage this year of any in my life. And ended up 10 pounds heavier for it. Not good. Especially as the original goal was to lose 20 more pounds. 2. Play and practice guitar more. Yeah, it's not directly bike related. Really felt was ignoring friends and good social situations to go out for a ride instead. Also, my playing dropped to minimal levels of tolerable. Need to remedy this. Especially with new (to me) guitars. 3. More S24Os. Only one this year. And that was pretty late. 4. More metric centuries. Seems to be the best compromise. But holding for maybe one real century. If everything is right. Preferably on the Hillborne. Figure as the one this year was not on a Rivendell, it doesn't count. 5. More photography from/with the bike. Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Dec 31, 8:00 pm, Bill M. bmenn...@comcast.net wrote: Cycling goals for this year: Stay healthy enough to keep riding. 2008-10 included five eye surgeries, passing a stone, a badly sprained ankle and a massive UTI all of which knocked my off of the bike long enough to lose a bunch of fitness. Ride at least one full century (that would be my first since ~1993), maybe a 200k if all goes well. Get a bike dialed in for mixed-terrain riding, and get off of the pavement some. Get my 1984 Miyata 1000 back on the road as my regular commuter, replacing the Kogswell I commuted on last year. Build a new set of 650b wheels (Dyad rims and Phil hubs are in house, waiting on spokes) and either find a 650b setup I'm fully happy with or bail out of that size and go back to 622 and 559 only. Onnellista uutta vuotta! Bill Mennuti -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: RR 31
Ta! On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 5:11 PM, James Warren jimcwar...@earthlink.net wrote: 42 On Dec 31, 2010, at 8:56 AM, PATRICK MOORE wrote: 31? 41? Where is coffee What number am I thinking of? On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 9:49 AM, doug peterson dougpn...@cox.net wrote: Got it; many thanks. Patrick, RR31 is 7 years old. We're up in the 40s now. dougP On Dec 31, 8:25 am, David Faller dfal...@charter.net wrote: Drink a little more coffee, Patrick... On 12/31/2010 8:15 AM, PATRICK MOORE wrote: So RR 31 is out -- great, must buy it. Good article. Whatever G's take on trail, he's built me three excellently handling bikes. On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 9:50 PM, Bill Gibsonbill.bgib...@gmail.com wrote: Did you know the pdf author was Milhouse Vanhouten? Cali is a mythical place, you know...I have it, but I bought the pdfs from Rivendell...I hesitate to violate copyright , but I will quote, assuming you are a loyal customer...Experiments With Rake Trail Fork rake is how much the front wheel is offset from the steering axis a straight line through the center of the head tube. The aspect of the bike s steering geometry that s affected by fork rake is called trail. Don t confuse it with a trail you ride on. Road bikes typically have between 2-inches (50.6mm) and 2 1/2-inches (63.5mm) of trail, and bike journalists who ve written about trail have said 2 1/4-inches (57/58mm) of trail makes a bike not too quick, not too slow, just right. Trail theory says that more trail makes a bike easier to control at high speeds and over rough ground. Mountain bikes typically have between 2 3/4-inches (69.8mm) and three inches 76.2mm) of trail. Less trail, according to theory, makes a bike easier to control at slow speeds, but harder to control when you re going fast, hitting bumps, or both. Trail is affected by: (1) the wheel radius; (2) the head tube angle; and (3) the fork rake (offset).There are three ways to increase trail: Bigger front wheel. Shallower head tube angle. Less fork rake. Most folks who start thinking about trail temporarily get confused at least three times, and think more rake makes more trail. Nupe. To calculate trail using arithmetic: Trail = Wheel radius/Tan. of head tube angle minus fork offset/Sin. of head tube angle. If that s Greek to you, we should be in the same club. I have it programmed on my computer here, so I just plug in the numbers and there you go How Trail Affects Our Frame Designs When I design a Rivendell, I find the typical tire the rider will ride, and then the biggest. For all-purpose road riding, I shoot for 60-61mm of trail with the most common tire. That s more than what experts have said results in neutral handling, but they are not the boss of me. Nor should they be of you! Then I see what the trail is with the largest tire. Normally a customer will say, I ll ride a 700x28 most of the time, but there are some fire roads here, and I ll ride 700x35s when I go there. Well, that works out just fine, because the bigger tire will increase the trail, making the bike better for the fire road (so goes trail theory). Most frame designers have a trail figure they re comfortable with, depending on the bike s intended purpose. But some copy other manufacturer s geometries not a bad thing to do, and I hope we haven t reached the point where somebody out there considers Xmm of trail to be intellectual property. Finally, some builders just know from experience what works, and don t think about trail. That s fine, too! In Italy in the 80s it was common for the top makers to put 45mm of rake on each fork, regardless of the frame s head tube angle. The big bikes, which almost always had steeper head tubes, didn t have much trail, but the little bikes (with slacker head tubes) had more than plenty. I wouldn t say that s all that fine; in fact it seems odd to me. But these same Italian frames were ridden to many prestigious victories, which will impress those in the results speak for themselves camp. I m in the trail doesn t win races camp. When you first learn about trail, you may find yourself getting obsessed. It happened to me and I ve seen it happen to others. Trail is interesting, but it is not the sole splainer of bike handling, something nobody knows better than Waterford s Marc Muller (more on him later). The Educational-Type Fun Begins FOR ABOUT SEVEN YEARS I VE WANTED to experiment with trail by getting some forks with adjustable rakes, so we did. We also got non-adjustable forks with no rake, and with 65mm (whopping lot) of rake. You can do that when you have your own bike company and a publication to get out, but it takes more than snapping your fingers. The bikes are 59cm Romuluses. The Romulus is a road bike with what I think is a perfect geometry for allaround road riding. Pertinent to this story, it has a 73- degree head tube with 42.5mm of rake, which, with the stock
[RBW] Re: Handlebar Bag on 60 cm Sam Hillborne
I agree with Steve on this. The selection of the Berthoud bag's size (height) is generally determined by the spacing, and it doesn't necessitate that the bag be completely filled! A large bag is, however, handy if you wish to carry something large but not especially heavy (it can easily be used to do some shopping for produce or such at a farmer's market, for example). The larger bag will also accommodate a light pullover or windjacket which can come in handy on a day's ride. Jim Cloud On Dec 31, 4:58 pm, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Fri, 2010-12-31 at 15:41 -0800, rperks wrote: The main detractor for me is that the larger bag will look best with my 63 Roadeo, and then I would fill it, compulsively with stuff just becauce I had the space. Don't be so sure. Many times I have nothing in my extra large size Berthoud except phone, glasses, car keys, tools and a couple of sandwiches. You need to size the bag to fit into the space between the rack and the decaleur, and in my case that means that only the GB28 size will do. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: A couple of grainy Sam photos.
When you say no upper eyelets on the fork, what are you referring to? Are you talking about the midfork rack braze-ons, something at the dropout, or those crown attachment points like the Bombadil has, or something else? Because I was pretty sure that all Sams always came with the midfork rack braze-ons. On Dec 31, 2010, at 2:39 PM, Will wrote: Ah yes, on further reflection (that my Sam is from the first batch of orange from Taiwan (nothing wrong with that except no upper eyelets on fork and no rear cable hanger) still love it) and visual inspection: no upper eyelets on fork! I won't be putting that Pletscher rack on the front. No biggie. It will do the same tricks on the back. Cheers y'all and happy new year! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
