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On Mon, 2012-07-02 at 15:59 -0700, Garth wrote:
> As I said ... it's all our choice of beliefs ... everything.  The only
> thing that stops us from creating a 50 mpg 50 hp truck, a 3lb.
> Bomabadil frame,  or whatever we imagine Is not allowing our
> imagination to imagine the possibility.  

Sorry, but I think the laws of physics have something to do with it as
well.



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Re: [RBW] Re: Anyone experienced with back surgery?

2012-07-02 Thread Christopher Paul

I want to thank all of those who shared their personal experience.  As
a result I don't feel so alone and have some hope and good points to
follow.   My spinal cord got nicked in procedure and had to be sewn
up.  This wrinkle limits my physical activity in the short run.
Tomorrow I will get the staples removed from my back and I'll ask for
my PT's contact information.

Chris



On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 10:17 AM, SteveD  wrote:
> Hi Chris,
>
> I'm 56 and had a percutaneous (sp?) disectomy and lower lombar lamenectomy
> done in 1987. I took two to three months out before doing anything to
> strenous, except for mounting my bike on a trainer and riding for about 20
> minutes a night for a few weeks until confident to take the bike out for a
> real ride; I hate "riding" in doors. Caveats to these surgeries, don't plan
> on doing any heavy lifting, and if you have to, use your legs. Every few
> years my back locks up after doing too much yard work or doing something
> stupid like lifting a heavy, and I mean a large, potted plant off our cedar
> deck. When this happens, I make a beeline to the doc for muscle relaxers and
> pain killers, which I take for a few days, and I'm back in action. Again,
> this only happens once every so often, like every 4 to 5 years.
>
> Yeah, I was concerned about having the surgery, but the sciatica is gone and
> I have to be careful lifting. As for bicycling, I commute to work on my
> Atlantis pretty much every day. And last year I rode a bunch of 100Ks and
> the Seattle Century without any discomfort. But, I gave a lot of attention
> to bicycle fit, and that's where keeping the seat just below the handle bars
> comes into play. Stay away from an aggressive, racer riding position. It'll
> kill your back.
>
> So, it's all doable. Initially you have to be patient and let your back
> heal, and start a low-level riding regimen (check with your PT about this),
> and above all else, be very conscious of how you do things with your back.
>
> -Steve DeMont
> Seattle
>
>
> On Sunday, July 1, 2012 4:28:15 PM UTC-7, zrainryder wrote:
>>
>> Greetings all,
>>
>> I want try my luck with this vast knowledge bank...
>>
>> I have been suffering from sciatica for the last 5 years.   I had a
>> couple of epidurals and that helped and little else.
>> I have no problem when sitting down or riding.  I have ridden several
>> centuries this year and am otherwise healthy.  When I have had to
>> stand for more than a minute, the pain kicks in.
>>
>> Last week I had a foraminotomy and a laminectomy.   I feel like I've
>> been reborn!  No more waking up and reaching for the tylenol.
>> Now I'm going stir crazy from not riding my bike.   Of course I don't
>> want to screw up a successful surgery, but I'm in agony waiting and
>> waiting.
>>
>> Any thoughts as to when the earliest sensible time to get back in the
>> saddle?
>>
>> By the way, my health provider did everything to discourage me from
>> getting this procedure.   Shame on them!  I feel I suffered needlessly
>> for at least 4 years from listening to bad advise.
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[RBW] Re: WTB: Silver Shifter downtube stops

2012-07-02 Thread Rob

I got myself a set, courtesy of Scot. Thanks man! The list provides:)

Headed out to the garage to try 'em out. 

Rob in Seattle

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Re: [RBW] Re: CT riders

2012-07-02 Thread robert zeidler

I want more than enough

On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 6:00 PM, malarz  wrote:
> Own just one. That's enough.
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: My favorite bike invention!

2012-07-02 Thread Eric Platt

My favorite?  Might be the larger sized frame Surly LHT available with 26"
wheels.  Am able to realize what I had been trying to get my bikes to do
back in the mid 1980's.  Somewhat wide tires, with long chainstays and drop
bars.

And yes, an Atlantis will do the same thing, but frame sizes above 56
restrict one to 700C wheels.

Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN

On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 7:38 PM, ted  wrote:

> 42/52 and 13-23 eh? I recall 44/52 and a 14-18 straight block.
> Of course after 30+ years and a relocation, now I'm thinking about
> 28/44 and a 12-36.
>
> On Jul 2, 9:43 am, Michael Hechmer  wrote:
> > OK, admittedly a bit, ok a lot, off topic... but Riv people have a
> > nuanced relationship with technological biking "advancements."  So
> > consider this a philosophical inquiry. (Perhaps even GP will be
> interested
> > in this unscientific survey) Yesterday as I was out for a very pleasant
> > couple of hours riding in the Green Mountains on my Ram, I had a certain
> > insight into what has added the most to my cycling pleasure during the
> last
> > 35 years.  It was clear.  The "compact crank"!
> >
> > When I took up cycling, as an adult, with full Campy equipment,typical
> > gearing was a 52/42 mated to a 13-23.  Even then being wimpy I used a
> 13-26
> > and discovered that despite Campy's claims my NR derailler would handle a
> > 28.  Still big hills, let alone mountain passes, were agonizing.  Now
> with
> > a 44/30 & 11/28, I can cruise up 8% grades in a near 1 to 1 ratio, and
> > manage the occasional  10-14% ramp without distress even though I am 30
> > years older.  Of course longer 10+% mountain climbs want lower gears.  I
> > believe that the compact crank has also driven both front and rear
> > derailler development, yielding crisp shifting over just enough wider
> range
> >  to make a go-fast set up appropriate for  tackling lots of hills.
> >
> > Of course, learning the speed and joy are independent variables has also
> > helped a lot.  But pain and joy are not.
> >
> > S what bicycle development has added the most to your enjoyment
> > during your cycling career?
> >
> > Michael
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[RBW] Re: DT shifter issues

2012-07-02 Thread William

You guys are all correct with your observations

1.  Silvers don't slip in Barend configuration.  Correct.  This has two 
reasons.  A.  The receptacle (boss) into which the D-ring threads is way 
deeper, so it's impossible to bottom out.  B.  More cable and housing means 
more flex (stretch) can soak up the stresses without slipping.  It's mostly 
A.  
2.  Dura Ace downtubes don't slip.  Correct.  They have the right length 
bolt.  
3.  Shimano barends don't slip.  Also correct.
4.  STIs don't slip.  Correct.  They can't slip.  


On Monday, July 2, 2012 12:38:13 PM UTC-7, rcnute wrote:
>
> I've been much happier with DA downtube shifters than Silvers.  But 
> with barcons the Silvers are great. 
>
> Ryan 
>
> On Jul 2, 8:24 am, Mike  wrote: 
> > So I've been using Silver shifters for a few years now and overall like 
> > them a lot with one exception. When I mount them on the DT on my 63cm 
> > Hilsen or 63cm randonneuring bike, the front shifter slips when standing 
> on 
> > the pedals during a hard effort such as going over rollers causing the 
> FD 
> > cage to rub on the chain. This was exceptionally annoying last week 
> during 
> > the Cascade 1200k. 
> > 
> > I've had the problem to a lesser degree when the shifters are mounted on 
> > the BE. 
> > 
> > The shifter and cable are mounted correctly. This is an issue that has 
> > persisted even when the shifters were installed by a knowledgeable 
> > mechanic. And yes, the shifter is tightened down on the braze-on. 
> > 
> > I'm considering giving Shimano Dura Ace 9spd DT shifters a try. For 
> folks 
> > using them, any issues? I've looked for 8spd Dura Ace shifters, which 
> I'd 
> > prefer, but Shimano does not seem to be making them anymore. I may just 
> go 
> > with 9spd and run the rear shifter in friction mode as my current 
> > drivetrain is 8spd. 
> > 
> > I'm thinking that this might just be an issue due to the size of my 
> frame 
> > and my weight--185lb. I'd be curious what others' experiences have been 
> > with the Shimano shifters. 
> > 
> > Oh, and if anyone has a pair of Dura Ace 8spd shifters for sale, let me 
> > know. 
> > 
> > Thanks, 
> > mike

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[RBW] Re: My favorite bike invention!

2012-07-02 Thread ted

42/52 and 13-23 eh? I recall 44/52 and a 14-18 straight block.
Of course after 30+ years and a relocation, now I'm thinking about
28/44 and a 12-36.

On Jul 2, 9:43 am, Michael Hechmer  wrote:
> OK, admittedly a bit, ok a lot, off topic... but Riv people have a
> nuanced relationship with technological biking "advancements."  So
> consider this a philosophical inquiry. (Perhaps even GP will be interested
> in this unscientific survey) Yesterday as I was out for a very pleasant
> couple of hours riding in the Green Mountains on my Ram, I had a certain
> insight into what has added the most to my cycling pleasure during the last
> 35 years.  It was clear.  The "compact crank"!
>
> When I took up cycling, as an adult, with full Campy equipment,typical
> gearing was a 52/42 mated to a 13-23.  Even then being wimpy I used a 13-26
> and discovered that despite Campy's claims my NR derailler would handle a
> 28.  Still big hills, let alone mountain passes, were agonizing.  Now with
> a 44/30 & 11/28, I can cruise up 8% grades in a near 1 to 1 ratio, and
> manage the occasional  10-14% ramp without distress even though I am 30
> years older.  Of course longer 10+% mountain climbs want lower gears.  I
> believe that the compact crank has also driven both front and rear
> derailler development, yielding crisp shifting over just enough wider range
>  to make a go-fast set up appropriate for  tackling lots of hills.
>
> Of course, learning the speed and joy are independent variables has also
> helped a lot.  But pain and joy are not.
>
> S what bicycle development has added the most to your enjoyment
> during your cycling career?
>
> Michael

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[RBW] Re: Taking the plunge with A. Homer Hilsen

2012-07-02 Thread ted

I recently bought a 56 AHH frame from Peter, and I have to agree its a
wonderful bike. My current setup is much less "full riv" than yours. A
bit closer to a late 70's race bike. I took my first ride outside the
neighborhood last weekend and found myself thinking "I have got to get
myself one of these". Then of course I remembered I already had. Lots
of fun there.

On Jul 2, 7:26 am, Peter Morgano  wrote:
> Nice to see there will be one less 23mm fixie around brooklyn when I am
> riding out there! Have fun with the AHH, it is a sweet ride.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 10:13 AM, Peter Pesce  wrote:
> > That's a beauty! You really went full Riv on that one - Moustache bars,
> > Grip Kings, a huge Saddle sack!
>
> > Welcome to the club.
>
> > -Pete in CT
>
> > On Sunday, July 1, 2012 9:23:48 PM UTC-4, Jimmy Hutch wrote:
>
> >> Hey, all,
>
> >> I've been reading RBW Owners Bunch for a couple of weeks and this is my
> >> first post.
>
> >> I took the plunge and ordered a Rivendell, it arrived a couple of weeks
> >> ago.  A 54cm AHH with 650B wheels.
>
> >> A bicycle has been part of my commute for the past 10 years or so.  I
> >> have several "typical commutes" that include various combinations of
> >> bicycle and Long Island Rail Road (LIRR).  My other commuting bikes are:
>
> >>    - 1955 Phillips 3-speed;  Round-trip from home to LIRR station, 1
> >>    mile each way.
> >>    - Brompton - 1 mile ride to LIRR, 5 mile ride in NYC to office -
> >>    reverse on the way home.
> >>    - Bike Friday New World Tourist - I use this for 25 mile commute in
> >>    the morning - 5 miles from office to LIRR in evening.
> >>    - Merlin Agilis - Round-trip from LI to NYC 25 miles each way.
> >>    (retired)
> >>    - Rivendell A. Homer Hilsen - to replace the Merlin for the
> >>    round-trip commute.
>
> >> After switching between the Merlin than the BF regularly I began to
> >> notice that the Merlin took more effort to ride than the BF - I suspect it
> >> was a combination of the aggressive riding position coupled with carrying a
> >> large backpack for 25 miles - it was brutal.  I came to favor the BF over
> >> the Merlin for the long commute.  So I started researching full-sized bike
> >> to replace the Merlin and came upon Rivendell - I decide to order one and
> >> give it a try.  I'm amazed at how well the Rivendell rides, it is
> >> remarkably comfortable, it is fast, it is maneuverable - what is the
> >> reason? is it the fat tires? the use of steel and lugs? the geometry? the
> >> forks?  I have no clue but if everyone had a bike that rides like my
> >> Rivendell, they would all ride a lot more often.
>
> >> Here is a pic from my maiden voyage taken somewhere in Brooklyn.
>
> >>https://picasaweb.google.com/**115956293745068682386/**July12012?auth...
> >> **Gv1sRgCLO0i4yY7qyu3wE#**5760362540987289154
>
> >> BTW - Keven also talked me into the $20 poster (I wasn't exactly a hard
> >> sell) - It is pretty cool and an outrageous deal for real art.  It shall be
> >> framed with 2 mats and hung in the dining room - go wife!
>
> >> -Jimmy
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[RBW] Re: Revenge of GP!

2012-07-02 Thread Jim Cloud

I carry both the Park Tool SW-0 Spoke Wrench tool (0.127" nipples) and
a FiberFix kevlar emergency replacement spoke.  In the few instances
that I've broken a spoken, however, it was sufficient to remove the
spoke with a spoke wrench and continue riding for a moderate distance
home (obviously, the dropouts of my bike had adequate clearance to
allow riding the bike with a slight wobble to the wheel!).

Jim Cloud
Tucson, AZ

On Jul 2, 11:47 am, Toshi Takeuchi  wrote:
> Not that I've ever needed it, but I always carry a kevlar spoke with
> me on all of my bikes...
>
> Toshi

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[RBW] FS: Banana bag

2012-07-02 Thread mikel66...@juno.com

good shape. mounting straps not included (thats i how got it). patch not sewn 
on but included (thats also how i got it). see pic. $45 shipped
mike goldman
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Re: [RBW] Re: Review of "Just Ride."


Steve  If everyone on earth stopped using their imagination  there 
would be no more life.  Life IS imagination . 

Where does anything come from ?  Bicycles? Cars ? Buildings? etc. etc.
Someone had to imagine them into being .   They were not dropped off to us 
by a band of cycling aliens , were they ? ; 

Our Imagination creates  our creations do not imagine themselves into 
being. 

As I said ... it's all our choice of beliefs ... everything.  The only 
thing that stops us from creating a 50 mpg 50 hp truck, a 3lb. Bomabadil 
frame,  or *whatever we imagine* Is not allowing our imagination to 
imagine the possibility.   Ask any inventor of anything  everything 
starts of imagination.  Look at electricity  it couldn't be done 
because all there was was lamps. Impossible most said here's your 
choice of lamps ... live with them lol.  Well, someone imagined  
someone played and worked with that imagination ... and the "impossible" 
became reality .   Rivendell Bicycles did not come to be because someone 
told Grant it could not be done because it did not exist ! It existed in 
his imagination first ... and here it is. 

And that's the beauty of life  you make your choices ... I make mine 
... everyone makes their own. Life rocks !!! 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Review of "Just Ride."

Interesting discussion -- the RBWlist equivalent of discussing angels
dancing on the points of pins, but interesting. (Actually, the
possibly legendary discussion of angels on pins is interesting to in
that it really bears on the different meanings -- and modes -- of
"presence:" presence of location, presence of causality, etc which, if
y'all were 13th century scholastics-in-training, would be quotidian
--yes!! -- distinctions.)

Interesting nonetheless to hear more people say that CF feels dead. My
brother has a couple of 20 year old Merlins and he likes the ride, but
his few and brief experiences with CF also indicated dead.

FWIW, my heavy-framed-'n'-forked '03 Curt weighed 7 lb for frame, fork
and headset, yet I built it up as a 1X10 to come in at just under 19
lb with the only silly light articles being a ti stem binder bolt;
unless you consider a Phil ti 113 silly light: Phil said that trackies
use them, so I'm not worried.

I myself believe that there is a point at which weight does matter,
but that, also, this point can shift considerably depending on (1) the
subjective propensities of the rider and (2) other qualities of the
bike in question. My erstwhile, fully loaded Herse randonneur was a
true tank: memory has it feeling in heft like the Fargo with the
lighter wheelset; yet it had me pushing a higher gear quite happily.
Magic pixie dust? Hallowed name resonance? Who knows, but it was a
"fast feeling" bike. (I sold it because it did not carry heavy loads
as well as I like and because I have other "fast feeling" bikes, to
wit my Rivs.



On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 4:22 PM, Steve Palincsar  wrote:
> On Mon, 2012-07-02 at 14:23 -0700, Garth wrote:
>>
>> Steve, My hypothesis is for each of us, if we wish, to look at our own
>> prejudices towards a material we may actually know nothing about !
>> Just becasue so and so says it was this or that .  It may be true for
>> them... but is it true for me ?  And if your favourite frame could be
>> 5 pounds lighter for the same price  would you still choose your
>> heavier one ? .. after all ... weight doesn't matter... right ?
>> lol :)
>
> And I think I explained why that can never be.  Wishing never makes a
> bike, production processes do.  And some materials are more amenable to
> a custom, one-off, limited production for a niche market than others.
>
> If I want to lose 5 lb, it makes more sense to lose it off me than off
> the frame.  And if I pursued losing those 5 pounds maybe six times, then
> by gar, I could lose a few spokes off my wheels, too.
>
>> For myself ... it doesn't matter up to point !  I don't want another
>> 10 lbs. added to my Bombadil for sure !  Nor do I want to ride 1000
>> gram rims.  There IS a difference in feel  and we need not "put up
>> with" more weight of the bike than we choose to .  It's all about our
>> individual choice.  That's why we even exist ... to choose :)
>
> Yes, "Step away from that ice cream bar!"
>
>> Would I like a F150 that weighed 3000-3500 lbs and had 500 HP and got
>> 50 MPG ?   Ummm if I could  I just might want it !   We're all
>> kinda snobbish in our own ways  and it's okay to admit it ... or
>> not .. lol :)
>
> No, that's just plain silly, not snobbish.  500 hp, 50 mpg, pick one.
> It's like the holy trinity, "Good, fast, cheap: pick any 2."  Some
> things you simply cannot have, and wishing for them is futile.
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Review of "Just Ride."

On Mon, 2012-07-02 at 14:23 -0700, Garth wrote:
> 
> Steve, My hypothesis is for each of us, if we wish, to look at our own
> prejudices towards a material we may actually know nothing about !
> Just becasue so and so says it was this or that .  It may be true for
> them... but is it true for me ?  And if your favourite frame could be
> 5 pounds lighter for the same price  would you still choose your
> heavier one ? .. after all ... weight doesn't matter... right ?
> lol :)  

And I think I explained why that can never be.  Wishing never makes a
bike, production processes do.  And some materials are more amenable to
a custom, one-off, limited production for a niche market than others.  

If I want to lose 5 lb, it makes more sense to lose it off me than off
the frame.  And if I pursued losing those 5 pounds maybe six times, then
by gar, I could lose a few spokes off my wheels, too.

> For myself ... it doesn't matter up to point !  I don't want another
> 10 lbs. added to my Bombadil for sure !  Nor do I want to ride 1000
> gram rims.  There IS a difference in feel  and we need not "put up
> with" more weight of the bike than we choose to .  It's all about our
> individual choice.  That's why we even exist ... to choose :)

Yes, "Step away from that ice cream bar!"

> Would I like a F150 that weighed 3000-3500 lbs and had 500 HP and got
> 50 MPG ?   Ummm if I could  I just might want it !   We're all
> kinda snobbish in our own ways  and it's okay to admit it ... or
> not .. lol :)

No, that's just plain silly, not snobbish.  500 hp, 50 mpg, pick one.
It's like the holy trinity, "Good, fast, cheap: pick any 2."  Some
things you simply cannot have, and wishing for them is futile.


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Re: [RBW] Re: CT riders

2012-07-02 Thread malarz

Own just one. That's enough.


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Re: [RBW] Re: Review of "Just Ride."

Garth-
I think the point to be gleaned from the responses to your hypothetical is 
that many people feel that duplicating the geometry of a given bike in a 
different material does *not* make it the same bike, only lighter. A bike 
is more than the sum of the geometry angles plus weight. For many people 
specific kinds of  strength, durability, ineffable ride "qualities", looks, 
and appreciation for a particular craft of construction ALL contribute to 
making it your favorite bike. 
You can't conclude that people irrationally hate carbon just because you've 
asked them a question where you think the only variable is carbon or steel. 

I'm all for well-constructed mental exercises, and I appreciate your 
question if for no other reason than it lit up the forum during a boring 
afternoon at work! 

Pete in CT

On Monday, July 2, 2012 5:23:01 PM UTC-4, Garth wrote:
>
>
> Steve, My hypothesis is for each of us, if we wish, to look at our own 
> prejudices towards a material we may actually know nothing about ! Just 
> becasue so and so says it was this or that .  It may be true for them... 
> but is it true for me ?  And if your favourite frame *could be* 5 pounds 
> lighter for the same price  would you still choose your heavier one ? 
> .. after all ... weight doesn't matter... right ?  lol :)  
>
> For myself ... it doesn't matter up to point !  I don't want another 10 
> lbs. added to my Bombadil for sure !  Nor do I want to ride 1000 gram 
> rims.  There IS a difference in feel  and we need not "put up with" 
> more weight of the bike than we choose to .  It's all about our individual 
> choice.  That's why we even exist ... to *choose *:)
>
> Would I like a F150 that weighed 3000-3500 lbs and had 500 HP and got 50 
> MPG ?   Ummm if I could  I just might want it !   We're all kinda 
> snobbish in our own ways  and it's okay to admit it ... or not .. lol :)
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Review of "Just Ride."


Steve, My hypothesis is for each of us, if we wish, to look at our own 
prejudices towards a material we may actually know nothing about ! Just 
becasue so and so says it was this or that .  It may be true for them... 
but is it true for me ?  And if your favourite frame *could be* 5 pounds 
lighter for the same price  would you still choose your heavier one ? 
.. after all ... weight doesn't matter... right ?  lol :)  

For myself ... it doesn't matter up to point !  I don't want another 10 
lbs. added to my Bombadil for sure !  Nor do I want to ride 1000 gram 
rims.  There IS a difference in feel  and we need not "put up with" 
more weight of the bike than we choose to .  It's all about our individual 
choice.  That's why we even exist ... to *choose *:)

Would I like a F150 that weighed 3000-3500 lbs and had 500 HP and got 50 
MPG ?   Ummm if I could  I just might want it !   We're all kinda 
snobbish in our own ways  and it's okay to admit it ... or not .. lol :)

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Re: [RBW] Re: Review of "Just Ride."

On Mon, 2012-07-02 at 14:04 -0700, RJM wrote:
> I have ridden enough CF bikes to know that I prefer steel bikes. With
> the size bike I need, I can get a steel bike to under 20 lbs pretty
> easily and that isn't even going completely weight weenie. Getting a
> bike down to 15 lbs won't make me like biking anymore than I already
> do, it won't make the ride any more enjoyable, and it won't suddenly
> make me want to be lance armstrong and use every ride as a race. That
> kind of weight difference just doesn't matter to me at all. What does
> matter is that the bike looks nice, will last for years, and I don't
> have to worry about dropping it.
>  
> Is anybody making a carbon fiber touring bike yet?

No, and not likely anyone ever will.  Not only is touring a very tiny
niche and so not economical for the molded CF method of production,
there's also the matter of rack attachment that Calfee or Crumpton (I
can never keep them straight) mentioned in a sidebar to the BQ review.
He prefers P clamps because then if you drop the bike with a loaded
rack, the rack will slip rather than put a sideways stress on the stays
which would split the stay and would be entirely unrepairable in the
field (me paraphrasing the builder).  

I believe it; as I said, I know two people who had to replace CF frames
because the weight of a water bottle split the downtube when the bike
fell over.  Imagine how much more stress a rack w/two loaded panniers
would create compared to the tiny weight of a water bottle!

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[RBW] Re: Review of "Just Ride."

2012-07-02 Thread RJM

I have ridden enough CF bikes to know that I prefer steel bikes. With the 
size bike I need, I can get a steel bike to under 20 lbs pretty easily and 
that isn't even going completely weight weenie. Getting a bike down to 15 
lbs won't make me like biking anymore than I already do, it won't make the 
ride any more enjoyable, and it won't suddenly make me want to be lance 
armstrong and use every ride as a race. That kind of weight difference just 
doesn't matter to me at all. What does matter is that the bike looks nice, 
will last for years, and I don't have to worry about dropping it.

Is anybody making a carbon fiber touring bike yet?

On Monday, July 2, 2012 2:59:15 PM UTC-5, Garth wrote:

>
> I wonder  if everyone had the choice of their favorite Riv frame *with 
> the exact same dimensions*, *in both steel and CF* for about the same 
> price  which would you choose ? 
>
> For myself, I simply do not have the option of riding a CF frame as the 
> size and dimensions I prefer do not exist in CF .  BUT  if I had a 
> choice of the same frame in either or  I might have a hard time 
> deciding ... lol .  Imagine a 3 or 4 lb. frame/fork vs. a 8-10 that a 
> Bombadil or Hunq. weigh .. it would certainly make me think about it .
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Review of "Just Ride."

On Mon, 2012-07-02 at 13:47 -0700, Garth wrote:
> 
> 
> On Monday, July 2, 2012 4:35:10 PM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote:
> 
> 
> And there aren't any suitable carbon forks for a bike like
> that, are 
> there? 
> 
> 
> My proposition was a hypothetical Steve . the dimensions
> of the bikes "could" be identical ... no matter if it's a
> Bomba, Atlantis, AHH or whatever .  Every dimension "could" be
> duplicated... meaning the choice would not come down to
> geometry, or tire size etc purely on material. 

Too hypothetical and theoretical for me, I'm afraid.  

"Modern" CF -- molded CF, not tube-and-lug construction -- is a mass
production medium.  The mold costs the earth, the first one off costs a
million bucks, and every one after costs two bucks to make.  In order to
pay off the cost of the mold, you need a big production run.  Contrast
that with steel or Ti, where you literally can make any dimension you
want, subject to the availability of the tubing (my Ti Spectrum has
constant diameter chain stays, for example, because back in 1991 there
was no titanium bike tubing, my bike's made of tubing meant to be used
in a nuclear reactor or an airplane) as a one-off and it won't cost any
more than any other bike, one-off or stock.

And the mass market for a bike that would interest me simply does not
exist... even though in my opinion, they make a lot more sense for most
people who are riding CF road racers than those CF road racers.  

Ever see a six foot six guy weighing 230 lb riding a CF road racer with
23mm tires because he can't even fit 25mm tires due to narrow frame
clearances?  (Actually, that friend of mine has hung his Cervelo up on a
hook, and is now riding a custom Ti Seven, and thinks it's a hundred
times nicer bike than the CF Cervelo.)

As long as what sells is faux-Tour-de-France let's all make believe we
are PRO road racers, and everyone riding one wants to be into the
shaved-leg-roadie culture, the market for anything /we/ would be
interested in is going to be pretty small.  And those small production
runs make sense for certain materials... and not for others.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Review of "Just Ride."

Yeah Patrick , I've never ridden or owned a CF frame so any information is 
"second hand" ... lol.  The "feel" of a CF may have a lot to do with the 
geometry used also  and you don't really know where a person is coming 
from in saying it feels "dead".  You really can't compare steel and CF 
directly spec for spec because the simply are made differently today . 
Maybe if they still made lugged CF like when they originated in the 80's 
you could compare them ... and I bet they rode quite similar .  

  I guess my main concern though, like yours would be longevity and 
durability in the long run.  And yes ... Titanium would be an interesting 
option too !   

I'm not weight weenie either  but yeah  if the exact same frame 
would weigh 5 lbs. less ?   Heck yes I'd consider it !  I ride hills every 
day too. While yes ... it is all about the experience and less weight may 
not matter in some ways ... it does matter in others.  It depends on how 
you want your experience to be . . .  and we each inherently get to choose 
that experience .  What anyone else thinks  *So What* !  Who ya' riding 
for ?   lol :)

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[RBW] Re: Review of "Just Ride."

Steel for me. I chuckle every time I read an ad or review about some carbon 
bike that has "achieved" a comfortable ride.
I love the way steel bikes look, and feel. I even love the little "ping" 
they make when something taps a tube.

If I had all the money in the world to spend on one bike it would be steel.

On Monday, July 2, 2012 3:59:15 PM UTC-4, Garth wrote:
>
>
> I wonder  if everyone had the choice of their favorite Riv frame *with 
> the exact same dimensions*, *in both steel and CF* for about the same 
> price  which would you choose ? 
>
> For myself, I simply do not have the option of riding a CF frame as the 
> size and dimensions I prefer do not exist in CF .  BUT  if I had a 
> choice of the same frame in either or  I might have a hard time 
> deciding ... lol .  Imagine a 3 or 4 lb. frame/fork vs. a 8-10 that a 
> Bombadil or Hunq. weigh .. it would certainly make me think about it .
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Review of "Just Ride."



On Monday, July 2, 2012 4:35:10 PM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
>
>
> And there aren't any suitable carbon forks for a bike like that, are 
> there? 
>
>
> My proposition was a hypothetical Steve . the dimensions of the bikes 
> "could" be identical ... no matter if it's a Bomba, Atlantis, AHH or 
> whatever .  Every dimension "could" be duplicated... meaning the choice 
> would not come down to geometry, or tire size etc purely on material. 
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Review of "Just Ride."

Not with the clearance for 42s, that is a pipe dream for sure

On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 4:35 PM, Steve Palincsar  wrote:

> On Mon, 2012-07-02 at 16:28 -0400, Peter Morgano wrote:
> > Hey now, if they had a exact geometry and clearance Titanium AHH it
> > would be a tempting proposition, not sure it would ever make cost
> > sense though.
>
> And there aren't any suitable carbon forks for a bike like that, are
> there?
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Review of "Just Ride."

On Mon, 2012-07-02 at 16:28 -0400, Peter Morgano wrote:
> Hey now, if they had a exact geometry and clearance Titanium AHH it
> would be a tempting proposition, not sure it would ever make cost
> sense though. 

And there aren't any suitable carbon forks for a bike like that, are
there?



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Re: [RBW] Re: Review of "Just Ride."

On Mon, 2012-07-02 at 14:09 -0600, PATRICK MOORE wrote:
> Garth: So, you are in the relatively small camp who are willing to
> consider that five or six lbs removed might make a bike more pleasant.
> Me, too, but I think I'd opt (given money, time, etc etc) for titanium
> rather than CF simply because ti's durability is a given while at
> least many question the durability of CF. If I knew for certain that
> CF could last a lifetime of normal wear and tear, I'd certainly be
> open to it. I know nothing about it except that some claim it can be
> very strong, others that if feels rather dead. But it would be
> interesting to see monocoque CF used for integrating what are usually
> bolt on pieces -- fenders, storage, lighting, wiring, racks.
> 
> (The good news is that y'all's Bombas or Hunqas are probably lighter
> than my Fargo. Now a Ti Fargo would be nice -- I know, they have one,
> but I can't afford it and it would be foolish for me, even if I could,
> to drop the $ just to save what, a couple of lbs?)
> 
> Steve: why do you have no interest at all in CF?

I have always liked the way Ti looks, from the first moment I saw the
prototype Merlin MTB tandem they were testing while I was at Amherst at
the Eastern Tandem Rally back in the late 80s.  I went up to it and said
"You are beautiful, what are you!"  

I bought a Spectrum custom Ti in 1991, which I still ride.  It still
looks good.  I also have a Ti Santana tandem, this one polished rather
than clear-coated satin finish.  They look beautiful, they feel great,
and as evidenced by 21 years of regular use, they stand up to it.

I rode a carbon Trek once.  I went to a bike rally in 2000 or 2001 and
Trek was out in force, twisting people's arms to get them to take test
rides.  I rode about 1/4 mi on a Postal Service OCLV and thought it felt
like I was riding a plywood bike, totally dead-feeling, not at all
metallic.

I know two people who have had to have CF frames replaced because they
propped their bikes up against trees w/2 full water bottles, and when
the bikes fell over the frames split where the water bottle cage joins
the frame.  How many times I've had a steel or Ti bike fall over!  Worst
that ever happened was once I had to replace the handle bar.

And then, there's the small matter of what bikes look like.  Today's CF
road bikes look to me like children of the Bowen Spacelander.  None of
them look like what I think a bike should look like.  Some are downright
disgustingly ugly, some just laughable (like that Pinarello that
obviously was left in somebody's car trunk on a 104 degree day).  None
are appealing to me.  ("Yeah, but you're a cranky old man, set in your
ways!"  OK, so?)

Ah, but what of the CF virtues?  Look at that low weight, and that aero
slickness!  Yeah, but when you weigh 0.1 tons and everybody loves to
draft off of you because of what a huge wind shadow you make, a few
pounds off the frame and a few less grams of frame wind resistance don't
mean diddly.  

And besides, the whole question is moot.  You simply can't get a CF
equivalent of the sort of bikes I've bought lately.  Sure, if you want a
700x23 road racer, take your pick, the marketplace is chock full of
them.  But I don't want one.  

I already own the Spectrum, although I use 25mm tires with it, and with
a rack on the back and bar end shifters and a 20/32/44 MTB crank it's
pretty far from the road racers people are making today; and if for some
reason that bike went away I would not replace it.

My two most recent bikes are both randonneurs, one 700x32, one 650Bx42.
Both are low trail, both use a large size Berthoud handlebar bag.  
Both have fittings for 3 water bottle cages, both have fenders.  Not
Rivs, perhaps, but anyone here looking at them would undoubtedly say
they are both "all Rivved out."  You aren't going to find anything like
that in carbon.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Review of "Just Ride."

Hey now, if they had a exact geometry and clearance Titanium AHH it would
be a tempting proposition, not sure it would ever make cost sense though.

On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 4:09 PM, PATRICK MOORE  wrote:

> Garth: So, you are in the relatively small camp who are willing to
> consider that five or six lbs removed might make a bike more pleasant.
> Me, too, but I think I'd opt (given money, time, etc etc) for titanium
> rather than CF simply because ti's durability is a given while at
> least many question the durability of CF. If I knew for certain that
> CF could last a lifetime of normal wear and tear, I'd certainly be
> open to it. I know nothing about it except that some claim it can be
> very strong, others that if feels rather dead. But it would be
> interesting to see monocoque CF used for integrating what are usually
> bolt on pieces -- fenders, storage, lighting, wiring, racks.
>
> (The good news is that y'all's Bombas or Hunqas are probably lighter
> than my Fargo. Now a Ti Fargo would be nice -- I know, they have one,
> but I can't afford it and it would be foolish for me, even if I could,
> to drop the $ just to save what, a couple of lbs?)
>
> Steve: why do you have no interest at all in CF?
>
> On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 1:59 PM, Garth  wrote:
> >
> > I wonder  if everyone had the choice of their favorite Riv frame with
> > the exact same dimensions, in both steel and CF for about the same price
> >  which would you choose ?
> >
> > For myself, I simply do not have the option of riding a CF frame as the
> size
> > and dimensions I prefer do not exist in CF .  BUT  if I had a choice
> of
> > the same frame in either or  I might have a hard time deciding ...
> lol .
> > Imagine a 3 or 4 lb. frame/fork vs. a 8-10 that a Bombadil or Hunq. weigh
> > .. it would certainly make me think about it .
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Re: [RBW] My favorite bike invention!

I've just learned what I can make of much of that scrap strip leather
I bought last winter from Tandy. Excellent!

On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 1:38 PM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
 wrote:
 My favorite "new" cycling innovation: Surly Junk Strap.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Review of "Just Ride."

Garth: So, you are in the relatively small camp who are willing to
consider that five or six lbs removed might make a bike more pleasant.
Me, too, but I think I'd opt (given money, time, etc etc) for titanium
rather than CF simply because ti's durability is a given while at
least many question the durability of CF. If I knew for certain that
CF could last a lifetime of normal wear and tear, I'd certainly be
open to it. I know nothing about it except that some claim it can be
very strong, others that if feels rather dead. But it would be
interesting to see monocoque CF used for integrating what are usually
bolt on pieces -- fenders, storage, lighting, wiring, racks.

(The good news is that y'all's Bombas or Hunqas are probably lighter
than my Fargo. Now a Ti Fargo would be nice -- I know, they have one,
but I can't afford it and it would be foolish for me, even if I could,
to drop the $ just to save what, a couple of lbs?)

Steve: why do you have no interest at all in CF?

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>
> I wonder  if everyone had the choice of their favorite Riv frame with
> the exact same dimensions, in both steel and CF for about the same price
>  which would you choose ?
>
> For myself, I simply do not have the option of riding a CF frame as the size
> and dimensions I prefer do not exist in CF .  BUT  if I had a choice of
> the same frame in either or  I might have a hard time deciding ... lol .
> Imagine a 3 or 4 lb. frame/fork vs. a 8-10 that a Bombadil or Hunq. weigh
> .. it would certainly make me think about it .
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Re: [RBW] Re: Review of "Just Ride."

Having owned both I would never go back to CF, sold my look KG96 a while
ago to someone who really really wanted it and was glad to see it go.

On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 4:02 PM, Steve Palincsar  wrote:

> On Mon, 2012-07-02 at 12:59 -0700, Garth wrote:
> >
> > I wonder  if everyone had the choice of their favorite Riv frame
> > with the exact same dimensions, in both steel and CF for about the
> > same price  which would you choose ?
>
> Steel, without question.  I have no interest whatever in carbon fiber.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Review of "Just Ride."

On Mon, 2012-07-02 at 12:59 -0700, Garth wrote:
> 
> I wonder  if everyone had the choice of their favorite Riv frame
> with the exact same dimensions, in both steel and CF for about the
> same price  which would you choose ?

Steel, without question.  I have no interest whatever in carbon fiber.



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[RBW] Re: Review of "Just Ride."


I wonder  if everyone had the choice of their favorite Riv frame *with 
the exact same dimensions*, *in both steel and CF* for about the same price 
 which would you choose ? 

For myself, I simply do not have the option of riding a CF frame as the 
size and dimensions I prefer do not exist in CF .  BUT  if I had a 
choice of the same frame in either or  I might have a hard time 
deciding ... lol .  Imagine a 3 or 4 lb. frame/fork vs. a 8-10 that a 
Bombadil or Hunq. weigh .. it would certainly make me think about it .

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[RBW] Re: My favorite bike invention!

2012-07-02 Thread Joe Bernard

I'm a big fan of those new-fangled road bikes with 36-50 compact cranks, 
good tire clearance, and rack/fender eyelets. Which Grant invented. In 
1992. Bridgestone XO-1.
 
Joe Bernard
Vallejo, CA.

On Monday, July 2, 2012 12:38:00 PM UTC-7, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery 
wrote:

> I didn't start cycling as an adult until well past the MTB boom years, so 
> wide-range and compact gearing have always existed to me... I'd not want to 
> time-travel back to being limited to square taper cranks, threaded 
> headsets, or cantilever brakes, but I can live with any of these on an 
> otherwise nice bike. My favorite "new" cycling innovation: Surly Junk 
> Strap. I also like my Brompton and my Rohloff.

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[RBW] Re: DT shifter issues

2012-07-02 Thread rcnute

I've been much happier with DA downtube shifters than Silvers.  But
with barcons the Silvers are great.

Ryan

On Jul 2, 8:24 am, Mike  wrote:
> So I've been using Silver shifters for a few years now and overall like
> them a lot with one exception. When I mount them on the DT on my 63cm
> Hilsen or 63cm randonneuring bike, the front shifter slips when standing on
> the pedals during a hard effort such as going over rollers causing the FD
> cage to rub on the chain. This was exceptionally annoying last week during
> the Cascade 1200k.
>
> I've had the problem to a lesser degree when the shifters are mounted on
> the BE.
>
> The shifter and cable are mounted correctly. This is an issue that has
> persisted even when the shifters were installed by a knowledgeable
> mechanic. And yes, the shifter is tightened down on the braze-on.
>
> I'm considering giving Shimano Dura Ace 9spd DT shifters a try. For folks
> using them, any issues? I've looked for 8spd Dura Ace shifters, which I'd
> prefer, but Shimano does not seem to be making them anymore. I may just go
> with 9spd and run the rear shifter in friction mode as my current
> drivetrain is 8spd.
>
> I'm thinking that this might just be an issue due to the size of my frame
> and my weight--185lb. I'd be curious what others' experiences have been
> with the Shimano shifters.
>
> Oh, and if anyone has a pair of Dura Ace 8spd shifters for sale, let me
> know.
>
> Thanks,
> mike

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[RBW] My favorite bike invention!

2012-07-02 Thread Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery

I didn't start cycling as an adult until well past the MTB boom years, so 
wide-range and compact gearing have always existed to me... I'd not want to 
time-travel back to being limited to square taper cranks, threaded headsets, or 
cantilever brakes, but I can live with any of these on an otherwise nice bike. 
My favorite "new" cycling innovation: Surly Junk Strap. I also like my Brompton 
and my Rohloff.

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[RBW] Re: DT shifter issues

2012-07-02 Thread Andy Smitty Schmidt

Thanks for the suggestions William. Just for fun I ran down to the garage 
and filed a "smidge" off the bolt that holds the shift lever to the DT boss 
and was able to get the lever significantly tighter. I did a few laps up 
and down the hill in front of my house and no FD slippage. 

Funny coincidence is that I shortened 3 other bolts on my AHH over the 
weekend and the file was still sitting on the work bench. 

--Andy

 

On Monday, July 2, 2012 11:22:42 AM UTC-7, William wrote:
>
> Mike
>
> This is a very common issue with several very simple fixes.  I apologize 
> in advance for a long post
>
> As you know, there's a spring in the front derailer that wants to pull the 
> chain down to the small ring.  The only thing stopping that from happening 
> is the friction in the shiftlever.  If there's more static friction in the 
> shiftlever, it'll keep the front derailer in place.  If the force in the 
> derailer spring is stronger, it'll win and pull the chain over.   When you 
> pedal out of the saddle, the frame flexes some and makes the cable a little 
> tighter a little looser in phase with your pedalling. If the friction in 
> the lever is just barely strong enough to hold the derailer in place, this 
> part can make the derailer walk down to where it's constantly rubbing and 
> requires you to pull the shifter again to take up the slack.  
>
> This problem is more common these days because modern front derailers have 
> ridiculously strong return springs because of all the mashers who insist on 
> being able to downshift to a smaller chainring while hammering out of the 
> saddle.  Furthermore, the lever arm on the ft derailer linkage is much 
> shorter today than in older derailers, making the front derailer 'stronger' 
> because of an increased mechanical advantage.  This 'enhancement' developed 
> to get brifters to work.  So the fixes can include:
>
> 1.  If you have a 'modern' front derailer, consider swapping it with an 
> older design.  One with a lighter spring and/or longer lever arm
> 2.  Get more friction out of your friction shifter.  If you tighten up the 
> d-ring all the way, you should no longer even be able to move your shifter 
> in the downshift direction.  If you can't do that, then you aren't really 
> tightening the friction part of your shifter.  You've merely bottomed out 
> on the bolt and you are tightening against that.  You need a shorter bolt, 
> or a slightly thicker friction washer inside.  
> 3.  Another modern front derailer 'enhancement' is a SUPER narrow cage. 
>  One of the consequences of that is you have to have your limit screws set 
> really precisely, and you have to slam the derailer against the limit screw 
> when you are in the big ring and a smallish cog.  In this situation, the 
> tug-of-war is no longer the front derailer spring against the shifter 
> friction.  It's an immovable object (the limit screw) against the friction 
> in your shifter.  The limit screw always wins, and you'll always be able to 
> get a tiny bit of slack in the cable.  To check if this is what you are 
> experiencing, deliberately back off the upper limit screw a lot.  Like a 
> full 360 degree rotation.  You'll have to be careful not to overshift when 
> you go into the big ring.  When in the big ring, see if you can make the 
> rubbing happen.  You might not be able to.  If you find that backing off 
> the limit screw 'solves' the problem, then you'll be left trying to find a 
> balance where there's a combination of limit screw setting + technique that 
> keeps you from overshifting and avoids this phenomenon.  Another surprising 
> fix for this particular corner case is flexier shift cables.  People forget 
> how springy shift cables used to be.  These days, they are super stiff in 
> tension to make indexing work.  A springier cable can take the stress 
> cycles associated with pedaling without moving the shifter.  It's hard to 
> find springy shift cables, these days, though.  
>
> On Monday, July 2, 2012 10:48:44 AM UTC-7, Mike wrote:
>>
>> On Jul 2, 9:08 am, Scott Henry  wrote: 
>> > Just curious, is the front shifter slipping or is the front derailuer 
>> just 
>> > rubbing? 
>> > If it only happens during hard efforts, it may be due to frame flex 
>> rather 
>> > than shifter slip.  I'm assuming you are in the big ring and try to 
>> hammer 
>> > when the frame flexes away and effectively tries to stretch the length 
>> of 
>> > the cable, due to the FD outer limit screw the FD can't move and thus 
>> pulls 
>> > the cable with moves the lever... 
>>
>> I haven't ruled out frame flex being the culprit. I feel like I've 
>> talked with a number of people of varying sizes who have had this 
>> issue on various bikes. I've had it a bit with my LHT on sustained 
>> stand-up efforts. I may try adjusting the limit screw and see if that 
>> helps. 
>>
>> I've thought about emailing Mark at RBW to see what he thinks. Also, 
>> I've thought about emailing Jan Heine, as I'm sure

[RBW] Re: DT shifter issues

2012-07-02 Thread Mike

Hey William, I appreciate the response. There's clearly good
information here. The one thing is, this isn't generally an issue when
using BE shifters and has never been a problem with Shimano BE
shifters. Later this week I'll have my Surly CC back on the road and
that has Shimano BE shifters on it. I'm gonna try and see if I can
replicate the problem with them.

I will try backing out the limit screw a bit and see if that helps.

I definitely want to resolve the issue on my randonneuring bike. I'll
be doing a swap this week of the double crankset on my Hilsen to the
randonneur and the triple on the randonneur back to the Hilsen.
Although it's been years now since I rode a bike with STI, I don't
recall having this problem on my Lemond's Ultegra STI shifters.

--mike

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Re: [RBW] Revenge of GP!

2012-07-02 Thread Toshi Takeuchi

Not that I've ever needed it, but I always carry a kevlar spoke with
me on all of my bikes...

Toshi

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[RBW] Re: My favorite bike invention!

2012-07-02 Thread nawrock

Rivendell's new fork, the one with the awesome crown and double eyelet drop 
out. It came on my SimpleOne. Amazing! 


Dave Nawrocki 
Fort Collins, CO 

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RE: [RBW] Re: My favorite bike invention!

2012-07-02 Thread James Warren


The huge-clearance, dual pivot, sidepull brake (like the Silver) that inspired the creation of the AHH.
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+1 !!


From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of WillSent: Monday, July 02, 2012 1:48 PMTo: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comSubject: [RBW] Re: My favorite bike invention!
LED lights and dynamo hubs. The quality of system available today is exponentially better than 10-15 years ago.  On Monday, July 2, 2012 11:43:13 AM UTC-5, Michael Hechmer wrote: 
OK, admittedly a bit, ok a lot, off topic... but Riv people have a nuanced relationship with technological biking "advancements."  So consider this a philosophical inquiry. (Perhaps even GP will be interested in this unscientific survey) Yesterday as I was out for a very pleasant couple of hours riding in the Green Mountains on my Ram, I had a certain insight into what has added the most to my cycling pleasure during the last 35 years.  It was clear.  The "compact crank"!   

When I took up cycling, as an adult, with full Campy equipment,typical gearing was a 52/42 mated to a 13-23.  Even then being wimpy I used a 13-26 and discovered that despite Campy's claims my NR derailler would handle a 28.  Still big hills, let alone mountain passes, were agonizing.  Now with a 44/30 & 11/28, I can cruise up 8% grades in a near 1 to 1 ratio, and manage the occasional  10-14% ramp without distress even though I am 30 years older.  Of course longer 10+% mountain climbs want lower gears.  I believe that the compact crank has also driven both front and rear derailler development, yielding crisp shifting over just enough wider range  to make a go-fast set up appropriate for  tackling lots of hills.

Of course, learning the speed and joy are independent variables has also helped a lot.  But pain and joy are not.

S what bicycle development has added the most to your enjoyment during your cycling career? 

Michael  
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Re: [RBW] My favorite bike invention!

2012-07-02 Thread Kenneth Stagg

On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 11:43 AM, Michael Hechmer  wrote:
> OK, admittedly a bit, ok a lot, off topic... but Riv people have a
> nuanced relationship with technological biking "advancements."  So
> consider this a philosophical inquiry. (Perhaps even GP will be interested
> in this unscientific survey) Yesterday as I was out for a very pleasant
> couple of hours riding in the Green Mountains on my Ram, I had a certain
> insight into what has added the most to my cycling pleasure during the last
> 35 years.  It was clear.  The "compact crank"!

I thought people were doing that with the TA years ago.

Oh, well - my pick is Campy's Ergo brake levers.  Brifter shifting is
fine but it's the shape of the levers that keeps them on my bikes.
They just feel right.

Runner up, Rohloff hub.  It would be the winner if there was a real
shifter for it rather than POS twist shifters.

-Ken

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[RBW] Re: DT shifter issues

2012-07-02 Thread William

Mike

This is a very common issue with several very simple fixes.  I apologize in 
advance for a long post

As you know, there's a spring in the front derailer that wants to pull the 
chain down to the small ring.  The only thing stopping that from happening 
is the friction in the shiftlever.  If there's more static friction in the 
shiftlever, it'll keep the front derailer in place.  If the force in the 
derailer spring is stronger, it'll win and pull the chain over.   When you 
pedal out of the saddle, the frame flexes some and makes the cable a little 
tighter a little looser in phase with your pedalling. If the friction in 
the lever is just barely strong enough to hold the derailer in place, this 
part can make the derailer walk down to where it's constantly rubbing and 
requires you to pull the shifter again to take up the slack.  

This problem is more common these days because modern front derailers have 
ridiculously strong return springs because of all the mashers who insist on 
being able to downshift to a smaller chainring while hammering out of the 
saddle.  Furthermore, the lever arm on the ft derailer linkage is much 
shorter today than in older derailers, making the front derailer 'stronger' 
because of an increased mechanical advantage.  This 'enhancement' developed 
to get brifters to work.  So the fixes can include:

1.  If you have a 'modern' front derailer, consider swapping it with an 
older design.  One with a lighter spring and/or longer lever arm
2.  Get more friction out of your friction shifter.  If you tighten up the 
d-ring all the way, you should no longer even be able to move your shifter 
in the downshift direction.  If you can't do that, then you aren't really 
tightening the friction part of your shifter.  You've merely bottomed out 
on the bolt and you are tightening against that.  You need a shorter bolt, 
or a slightly thicker friction washer inside.  
3.  Another modern front derailer 'enhancement' is a SUPER narrow cage. 
 One of the consequences of that is you have to have your limit screws set 
really precisely, and you have to slam the derailer against the limit screw 
when you are in the big ring and a smallish cog.  In this situation, the 
tug-of-war is no longer the front derailer spring against the shifter 
friction.  It's an immovable object (the limit screw) against the friction 
in your shifter.  The limit screw always wins, and you'll always be able to 
get a tiny bit of slack in the cable.  To check if this is what you are 
experiencing, deliberately back off the upper limit screw a lot.  Like a 
full 360 degree rotation.  You'll have to be careful not to overshift when 
you go into the big ring.  When in the big ring, see if you can make the 
rubbing happen.  You might not be able to.  If you find that backing off 
the limit screw 'solves' the problem, then you'll be left trying to find a 
balance where there's a combination of limit screw setting + technique that 
keeps you from overshifting and avoids this phenomenon.  Another surprising 
fix for this particular corner case is flexier shift cables.  People forget 
how springy shift cables used to be.  These days, they are super stiff in 
tension to make indexing work.  A springier cable can take the stress 
cycles associated with pedaling without moving the shifter.  It's hard to 
find springy shift cables, these days, though.  

On Monday, July 2, 2012 10:48:44 AM UTC-7, Mike wrote:
>
> On Jul 2, 9:08 am, Scott Henry  wrote: 
> > Just curious, is the front shifter slipping or is the front derailuer 
> just 
> > rubbing? 
> > If it only happens during hard efforts, it may be due to frame flex 
> rather 
> > than shifter slip.  I'm assuming you are in the big ring and try to 
> hammer 
> > when the frame flexes away and effectively tries to stretch the length 
> of 
> > the cable, due to the FD outer limit screw the FD can't move and thus 
> pulls 
> > the cable with moves the lever... 
>
> I haven't ruled out frame flex being the culprit. I feel like I've 
> talked with a number of people of varying sizes who have had this 
> issue on various bikes. I've had it a bit with my LHT on sustained 
> stand-up efforts. I may try adjusting the limit screw and see if that 
> helps. 
>
> I've thought about emailing Mark at RBW to see what he thinks. Also, 
> I've thought about emailing Jan Heine, as I'm sure he has some 
> insights. 
> > 
> > Just a thought as I hate when people blame their weight and then offer 
> up 
> > something like 185lbs. 
>
> While 185 isn't necessarily clydesdale for my height (5'11.5"), it's 
> still heavy enough to flex the frame I think and possibly be a 
> contributing factor. 
>
> > Cheers, 
> > Scott (now I feel horrible at my 225lbs) Henry 
> > Dayton, OH

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[RBW] Re: The Poster

2012-07-02 Thread Zack

Just got mine today.  Love it.  Beautiful stuff.

Also, since I waited for the surprise, I of course now wanted to see it on 
the riv site and on the DLG site, and came across the description on the 
DLG site of the poster, and loved it, wanted to share:

*In 1957 I was 12 years old. I had a paper route for the Sacramento Bee; I 
had a bicycle; I had money; I had freedom. That's pretty much what the 
bicycle meant in the pre-automobile era: freedom. Freedom from parental 
supervision, to be precise. Pre-automobile in the 1890s meant that there 
weren't any automobiles yet. Pre-automobile in the 1950s meant that you 
weren't old enough to drive. When you reached 16 and got your driver's 
license, you left your bike to your kid brother and cranked up the family 
Ford. Bicycles were children's toys, something you left behind when you 
attained a man's estate.*

*In the 1960s, college students rode bicycles because they were fast, 
cheap, and campus parking was free. The bicycle again became a symbol of 
youthful exuberance, anti-establishment hipness and freedom, only this time 
of freedom from the tyranny and expense of the automobile.*

*We have become as little children again, riding our bikes and having fun.*

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Re: [RBW] My favorite bike invention!

Does this fall inside or outside of that 35 years? http://tinyurl.com/6qoelw3

Me: fixies!

Since ~ 1977? More or less in order of importance FOR ME, orders
subject to change at my whim"

Rivendells

Decent wired-on tires

Trickle-down, outstanding chromo etc. butted tubing

Mountain bikes

Cassette hubs

Clipless, at least SPD and Look

Fat 700C tires (Fat = > 2")

Fargo (= touring bike with room for 70 mm tires)

Original Flite saddle [I have two or more nice original edition Turbos
I'd like to trade for OE Flites in similar condition, if anyone is
interested. I am eking the last tentative miles out of the Flite on
the '03 which over the years must have 20K miles on it.]

Maes Parallel and (42 cm) Noodle bars

LED lighting, both headlight and blinky

Modern high efficiency dynohubs

Slant parallel derailleurs, esp Shimano

Tubus racks (Chauncey Matthews racks, too!)

Ortlieb

Banana Bag

Good quality, modestly priced padded bar tape

Good quality plastic fenders

Good quality, modestly priced stainless steel cages (eg King) -- no rust!








On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 10:43 AM, Michael Hechmer  wrote:
> OK, admittedly a bit, ok a lot, off topic... but Riv people have a
> nuanced relationship with technological biking "advancements."  So
> consider this a philosophical inquiry. (Perhaps even GP will be interested
> in this unscientific survey) Yesterday as I was out for a very pleasant
> couple of hours riding in the Green Mountains on my Ram, I had a certain
> insight into what has added the most to my cycling pleasure during the last
> 35 years.  It was clear.  The "compact crank"!
>
> When I took up cycling, as an adult, with full Campy equipment,typical
> gearing was a 52/42 mated to a 13-23.  Even then being wimpy I used a 13-26
> and discovered that despite Campy's claims my NR derailler would handle a
> 28.  Still big hills, let alone mountain passes, were agonizing.  Now with a
> 44/30 & 11/28, I can cruise up 8% grades in a near 1 to 1 ratio, and manage
> the occasional  10-14% ramp without distress even though I am 30 years
> older.  Of course longer 10+% mountain climbs want lower gears.  I believe
> that the compact crank has also driven both front and rear derailler
> development, yielding crisp shifting over just enough wider range  to make a
> go-fast set up appropriate for  tackling lots of hills.
>
> Of course, learning the speed and joy are independent variables has also
> helped a lot.  But pain and joy are not.
>
> S what bicycle development has added the most to your enjoyment
> during your cycling career?
>
> Michael
>
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RE: [RBW] Re: My favorite bike invention!

2012-07-02 Thread Allingham II, Thomas J

+1 !!

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Sent: Monday, July 02, 2012 1:48 PM
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: [RBW] Re: My favorite bike invention!

LED lights and dynamo hubs. The quality of system available today is 
exponentially better than 10-15 years ago.

On Monday, July 2, 2012 11:43:13 AM UTC-5, Michael Hechmer wrote:
OK, admittedly a bit, ok a lot, off topic... but Riv people have a nuanced 
relationship with technological biking "advancements."  So consider this a 
philosophical inquiry. (Perhaps even GP will be interested in this unscientific 
survey) Yesterday as I was out for a very pleasant couple of hours riding in 
the Green Mountains on my Ram, I had a certain insight into what has added the 
most to my cycling pleasure during the last 35 years.  It was clear.  The 
"compact crank"!

When I took up cycling, as an adult, with full Campy equipment,typical gearing 
was a 52/42 mated to a 13-23.  Even then being wimpy I used a 13-26 and 
discovered that despite Campy's claims my NR derailler would handle a 28.  
Still big hills, let alone mountain passes, were agonizing.  Now with a 44/30 & 
11/28, I can cruise up 8% grades in a near 1 to 1 ratio, and manage the 
occasional  10-14% ramp without distress even though I am 30 years older.  Of 
course longer 10+% mountain climbs want lower gears.  I believe that the 
compact crank has also driven both front and rear derailler development, 
yielding crisp shifting over just enough wider range  to make a go-fast set up 
appropriate for  tackling lots of hills.

Of course, learning the speed and joy are independent variables has also helped 
a lot.  But pain and joy are not.

S what bicycle development has added the most to your enjoyment during 
your cycling career?

Michael

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[RBW] Re: DT shifter issues

2012-07-02 Thread Mike

On Jul 2, 9:08 am, Scott Henry  wrote:
> Just curious, is the front shifter slipping or is the front derailuer just
> rubbing?
> If it only happens during hard efforts, it may be due to frame flex rather
> than shifter slip.  I'm assuming you are in the big ring and try to hammer
> when the frame flexes away and effectively tries to stretch the length of
> the cable, due to the FD outer limit screw the FD can't move and thus pulls
> the cable with moves the lever...

I haven't ruled out frame flex being the culprit. I feel like I've
talked with a number of people of varying sizes who have had this
issue on various bikes. I've had it a bit with my LHT on sustained
stand-up efforts. I may try adjusting the limit screw and see if that
helps.

I've thought about emailing Mark at RBW to see what he thinks. Also,
I've thought about emailing Jan Heine, as I'm sure he has some
insights.
>
> Just a thought as I hate when people blame their weight and then offer up
> something like 185lbs.

While 185 isn't necessarily clydesdale for my height (5'11.5"), it's
still heavy enough to flex the frame I think and possibly be a
contributing factor.

> Cheers,
> Scott (now I feel horrible at my 225lbs) Henry
> Dayton, OH

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[RBW] Re: My favorite bike invention!

2012-07-02 Thread Will

LED lights and dynamo hubs. The quality of system available today is 
exponentially better than 10-15 years ago.  

On Monday, July 2, 2012 11:43:13 AM UTC-5, Michael Hechmer wrote:
>
> OK, admittedly a bit, ok a lot, off topic... but Riv people have a 
> nuanced relationship with technological biking "advancements."  So 
> consider this a philosophical inquiry. (Perhaps even GP will be interested 
> in this unscientific survey) Yesterday as I was out for a very pleasant 
> couple of hours riding in the Green Mountains on my Ram, I had a certain 
> insight into what has added the most to my cycling pleasure during the last 
> 35 years.  It was clear.  The "compact crank"!  
>
> When I took up cycling, as an adult, with full Campy equipment,typical 
> gearing was a 52/42 mated to a 13-23.  Even then being wimpy I used a 13-26 
> and discovered that despite Campy's claims my NR derailler would handle a 
> 28.  Still big hills, let alone mountain passes, were agonizing.  Now with 
> a 44/30 & 11/28, I can cruise up 8% grades in a near 1 to 1 ratio, and 
> manage the occasional  10-14% ramp without distress even though I am 30 
> years older.  Of course longer 10+% mountain climbs want lower gears.  I 
> believe that the compact crank has also driven both front and rear 
> derailler development, yielding crisp shifting over just enough wider range 
>  to make a go-fast set up appropriate for  tackling lots of hills.
>
> Of course, learning the speed and joy are independent variables has also 
> helped a lot.  But pain and joy are not.
>
> S what bicycle development has added the most to your enjoyment 
> during your cycling career? 
>
> Michael  
>

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[RBW] Re: Anyone experienced with back surgery?

2012-07-02 Thread SteveD

Hi Chris,

I'm 56 and had a percutaneous (sp?) disectomy and lower lombar lamenectomy 
done in 1987. I took two to three months out before doing anything to 
strenous, except for mounting my bike on a trainer and riding for about 20 
minutes a night for a few weeks until confident to take the bike out for a 
real ride; I hate "riding" in doors. Caveats to these surgeries, don't plan 
on doing any heavy lifting, and if you have to, use your legs. Every few 
years my back locks up after doing too much yard work or doing something 
stupid like lifting a heavy, and I mean a large, potted plant off our cedar 
deck. When this happens, I make a beeline to the doc for muscle relaxers 
and pain killers, which I take for a few days, and I'm back in action. 
Again, this only happens once every so often, like every 4 to 5 years.

Yeah, I was concerned about having the surgery, but the sciatica is gone 
and I have to be careful lifting. As for bicycling, I commute to work on my 
Atlantis pretty much every day. And last year I rode a bunch of 100Ks and 
the Seattle Century without any discomfort. But, I gave a lot of attention 
to bicycle fit, and that's where keeping the seat just below the handle 
bars comes into play. Stay away from an aggressive, racer riding position. 
It'll kill your back.

So, it's all doable. Initially you have to be patient and let your back 
heal, and start a low-level riding regimen (check with your PT about this), 
and above all else, be very conscious of how you do things with your back.

-Steve DeMont
Seattle

On Sunday, July 1, 2012 4:28:15 PM UTC-7, zrainryder wrote:
>
> Greetings all, 
>
> I want try my luck with this vast knowledge bank... 
>
> I have been suffering from sciatica for the last 5 years.   I had a 
> couple of epidurals and that helped and little else. 
> I have no problem when sitting down or riding.  I have ridden several 
> centuries this year and am otherwise healthy.  When I have had to 
> stand for more than a minute, the pain kicks in. 
>
> Last week I had a foraminotomy and a laminectomy.   I feel like I've 
> been reborn!  No more waking up and reaching for the tylenol. 
> Now I'm going stir crazy from not riding my bike.   Of course I don't 
> want to screw up a successful surgery, but I'm in agony waiting and 
> waiting. 
>
> Any thoughts as to when the earliest sensible time to get back in the 
> saddle? 
>
> By the way, my health provider did everything to discourage me from 
> getting this procedure.   Shame on them!  I feel I suffered needlessly 
> for at least 4 years from listening to bad advise. 
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: My favorite bike invention!

I know they arent new to the world but after doing MTBing for many years
the riser stem and bar combo were a revelation. The fact that you didnt
need to have your bars "slammed" to ride the acceptable way took a while to
foment in my brain but it has been a comfort revoution.

On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 1:35 PM, RJM  wrote:

> I use a triple and have often thought of going to a double, but then I get
> on a 14% incline and don't feel like mashing up it so I shift to my granny
> gear and realize I will always be a triple kind of guy.
>
> I have to say my favorite inventions right now are the great 650b tires
> out there. Pari Motos, Hetres, Fatty Rumpkins, Maxy Fasty and these
> Hutchinson tires I am trying out now have all been fantastic.
>
>
>
> On Monday, July 2, 2012 11:43:13 AM UTC-5, Michael Hechmer wrote:
>
>> OK, admittedly a bit, ok a lot, off topic... but Riv people have a
>> nuanced relationship with technological biking "advancements."  So
>> consider this a philosophical inquiry. (Perhaps even GP will be interested
>> in this unscientific survey) Yesterday as I was out for a very pleasant
>> couple of hours riding in the Green Mountains on my Ram, I had a certain
>> insight into what has added the most to my cycling pleasure during the last
>> 35 years.  It was clear.  The "compact crank"!
>>
>> When I took up cycling, as an adult, with full Campy equipment,typical
>> gearing was a 52/42 mated to a 13-23.  Even then being wimpy I used a 13-26
>> and discovered that despite Campy's claims my NR derailler would handle a
>> 28.  Still big hills, let alone mountain passes, were agonizing.  Now with
>> a 44/30 & 11/28, I can cruise up 8% grades in a near 1 to 1 ratio, and
>> manage the occasional  10-14% ramp without distress even though I am 30
>> years older.  Of course longer 10+% mountain climbs want lower gears.  I
>> believe that the compact crank has also driven both front and rear
>> derailler development, yielding crisp shifting over just enough wider range
>>  to make a go-fast set up appropriate for  tackling lots of hills.
>>
>> Of course, learning the speed and joy are independent variables has also
>> helped a lot.  But pain and joy are not.
>>
>> S what bicycle development has added the most to your enjoyment
>> during your cycling career?
>>
>> Michael
>>
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[RBW] Re: DT shifter issues

2012-07-02 Thread Andy Smitty Schmidt

I have the same issue... Silver DT shifters that slip the FD when I power 
up. My M.O. has been to adjust it when it slips/rubs. Most of my riding is 
relatively short distance/time around town so it's rarely an issue. I can 
imagine how it could become a nuisance on a longer ride. I've tried a 
variety of solutions involving de-greasing and tightening the shift lever 
but no change. I sort of chalked it up to an incompatibility between my 
Microshift FD and the Silver Shifter... like perhaps the spring in the 
derailer is too strong for the shifter. It hasn't been enough of an issue 
for me to start replacing parts. 

--Andy



On Monday, July 2, 2012 8:24:10 AM UTC-7, Mike wrote:
>
> So I've been using Silver shifters for a few years now and overall like 
> them a lot with one exception. When I mount them on the DT on my 63cm 
> Hilsen or 63cm randonneuring bike, the front shifter slips when standing on 
> the pedals during a hard effort such as going over rollers causing the FD 
> cage to rub on the chain. This was exceptionally annoying last week during 
> the Cascade 1200k. 
>
> I've had the problem to a lesser degree when the shifters are mounted on 
> the BE.
>
> The shifter and cable are mounted correctly. This is an issue that has 
> persisted even when the shifters were installed by a knowledgeable 
> mechanic. And yes, the shifter is tightened down on the braze-on.
>
> I'm considering giving Shimano Dura Ace 9spd DT shifters a try. For folks 
> using them, any issues? I've looked for 8spd Dura Ace shifters, which I'd 
> prefer, but Shimano does not seem to be making them anymore. I may just go 
> with 9spd and run the rear shifter in friction mode as my current 
> drivetrain is 8spd.
>
> I'm thinking that this might just be an issue due to the size of my frame 
> and my weight--185lb. I'd be curious what others' experiences have been 
> with the Shimano shifters. 
>
> Oh, and if anyone has a pair of Dura Ace 8spd shifters for sale, let me 
> know.
>
> Thanks,
> mike
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: My favorite bike invention!

2012-07-02 Thread RJM

I use a triple and have often thought of going to a double, but then I get 
on a 14% incline and don't feel like mashing up it so I shift to my granny 
gear and realize I will always be a triple kind of guy. 
 
I have to say my favorite inventions right now are the great 650b tires 
out there. Pari Motos, Hetres, Fatty Rumpkins, Maxy Fasty and these 
Hutchinson tires I am trying out now have all been fantastic.
 
 

On Monday, July 2, 2012 11:43:13 AM UTC-5, Michael Hechmer wrote:

> OK, admittedly a bit, ok a lot, off topic... but Riv people have a 
> nuanced relationship with technological biking "advancements."  So 
> consider this a philosophical inquiry. (Perhaps even GP will be interested 
> in this unscientific survey) Yesterday as I was out for a very pleasant 
> couple of hours riding in the Green Mountains on my Ram, I had a certain 
> insight into what has added the most to my cycling pleasure during the last 
> 35 years.  It was clear.  The "compact crank"!   
>
> When I took up cycling, as an adult, with full Campy equipment,typical 
> gearing was a 52/42 mated to a 13-23.  Even then being wimpy I used a 13-26 
> and discovered that despite Campy's claims my NR derailler would handle a 
> 28.  Still big hills, let alone mountain passes, were agonizing.  Now with 
> a 44/30 & 11/28, I can cruise up 8% grades in a near 1 to 1 ratio, and 
> manage the occasional  10-14% ramp without distress even though I am 30 
> years older.  Of course longer 10+% mountain climbs want lower gears.  I 
> believe that the compact crank has also driven both front and rear 
> derailler development, yielding crisp shifting over just enough wider range 
>  to make a go-fast set up appropriate for  tackling lots of hills.
>
> Of course, learning the speed and joy are independent variables has also 
> helped a lot.  But pain and joy are not.
>
> S what bicycle development has added the most to your enjoyment 
> during your cycling career? 
>
> Michael  
>

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[RBW] Re: WTB: Silver Shifter downtube stops

2012-07-02 Thread Andy Smitty Schmidt

My bar-end shifters got moved to the DT on my 65 AHH. I don't have the part 
your'e looking for. I do have DT shifters on a big-ish frame. Yeah, they're 
a ways down there, especially since I switched to Alba bars, but I'm not a 
frequent shifter so it's fine. My other bike has a busy cockpit so the 
cleaner cockpit on the AHH that the DT shifters allow is pleasant. It also 
allows for easier bar changes... not that I'm swapping bars on a regular 
basis, but I like to have options. 

--Andy 



On Sunday, July 1, 2012 9:24:40 PM UTC-7, Rob wrote:
>
> Anyone have an extra pair of downtube stops for Silver Shifters? These 
> would be the washers with a square hole that fit over the downtube bosses 
> and have a stop welded on--the extra bits that get shipped with the 
> shifters that you don't need if you're using them as bar-ends. 
>
> A set of Silver bar-ends came with my bike, and after a couple years of 
> being very happy with the Campy brifters I installed when I first got the 
> bike I've got a hankering to try something different. Downtube shifters are 
> pretty far down there on a 62cm 650b Saluki, but the simplicity of it all 
> is appealing. 
>
> Thanks.
>
> Rob in Seattle
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Tall Feller's Union Request

2012-07-02 Thread Cyclofiend


Thanks guys (and all of you who have replied off-list.)!

I got a chance to ride with him and see the cockpit of his mtb.   
Whew.  Anything would be better.  We're heading to Walnut Creek today,  
so I imagine he'll have some specific questions soon!


- J

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[RBW] My favorite bike invention!

2012-07-02 Thread Michael Hechmer

OK, admittedly a bit, ok a lot, off topic... but Riv people have a 
nuanced relationship with technological biking "advancements."  So 
consider this a philosophical inquiry. (Perhaps even GP will be interested 
in this unscientific survey) Yesterday as I was out for a very pleasant 
couple of hours riding in the Green Mountains on my Ram, I had a certain 
insight into what has added the most to my cycling pleasure during the last 
35 years.  It was clear.  The "compact crank"!  

When I took up cycling, as an adult, with full Campy equipment,typical 
gearing was a 52/42 mated to a 13-23.  Even then being wimpy I used a 13-26 
and discovered that despite Campy's claims my NR derailler would handle a 
28.  Still big hills, let alone mountain passes, were agonizing.  Now with 
a 44/30 & 11/28, I can cruise up 8% grades in a near 1 to 1 ratio, and 
manage the occasional  10-14% ramp without distress even though I am 30 
years older.  Of course longer 10+% mountain climbs want lower gears.  I 
believe that the compact crank has also driven both front and rear 
derailler development, yielding crisp shifting over just enough wider range 
 to make a go-fast set up appropriate for  tackling lots of hills.

Of course, learning the speed and joy are independent variables has also 
helped a lot.  But pain and joy are not.

S what bicycle development has added the most to your enjoyment 
during your cycling career? 

Michael  

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Re: [RBW] Re: DT shifter issues

2012-07-02 Thread Lyle Bogart

For what it's worth, I use bar-end Silver Shifters and get the
front-derailleur-rubbing-issue when out of the saddle climbing on my
Atlantis. I can look down and watch the frame flex as I do this if it's a
very steep hill. Sometimes I'll remember to pre-adjust the shifter lever
before I begin a climb to keep things quieter on ascent. I'm 6'1" and weigh
185.

Cheers!

lyle


>  On Monday, July 2, 2012 11:24:10 AM UTC-4, Mike wrote:
>>
>> So I've been using Silver shifters for a few years now and overall like
>> them a lot with one exception. When I mount them on the DT on my 63cm
>> Hilsen or 63cm randonneuring bike, the front shifter slips when standing on
>> the pedals during a hard effort such as going over rollers causing the FD
>> cage to rub on the chain. This was exceptionally annoying last week during
>> the Cascade 1200k.
>>
>> I've had the problem to a lesser degree when the shifters are mounted on
>> the BE.
>>
>> The shifter and cable are mounted correctly. This is an issue that has
>> persisted even when the shifters were installed by a knowledgeable
>> mechanic. And yes, the shifter is tightened down on the braze-on.
>>
>> I'm considering giving Shimano Dura Ace 9spd DT shifters a try. For folks
>> using them, any issues? I've looked for 8spd Dura Ace shifters, which I'd
>> prefer, but Shimano does not seem to be making them anymore. I may just go
>> with 9spd and run the rear shifter in friction mode as my current
>> drivetrain is 8spd.
>>
>> I'm thinking that this might just be an issue due to the size of my frame
>> and my weight--185lb. I'd be curious what others' experiences have been
>> with the Shimano shifters.
>>
>> Oh, and if anyone has a pair of Dura Ace 8spd shifters for sale, let me
>> know.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> mike
>>
>>
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[RBW] Re: DT shifter issues

2012-07-02 Thread Michael Hechmer

I'm  6' 1" & 200 lbs, but I usually only stand up to crest short rollers 
w/out downshifting.  I sit on longer climbs.  I have silver DT and BE with 
9 speed cassettes.  I don't get any slipping in the front, except every 
once in a great, great while, when the D ring has worked loose.  I do get 
some slipping in the rear because I have never been able to keep the BE 
tightened down enough,  We have DA on the tandem and they also work very 
well.  I would call Riv and chat with them.  They are usually pretty 
helpful.

I just want to add that my Ram now has Silver DT shifter with the White Ind 
VBC Crank 44/30 with a 9 spd 11/28 Ultegra Cassette.  Campy triple FD and 
the new Shimano RD  6700 in the rear and this has to be the best shifting & 
gearing combo I have ever had in 35 years of pedal pounding.

Michael

On Monday, July 2, 2012 11:24:10 AM UTC-4, Mike wrote:
>
> So I've been using Silver shifters for a few years now and overall like 
> them a lot with one exception. When I mount them on the DT on my 63cm 
> Hilsen or 63cm randonneuring bike, the front shifter slips when standing on 
> the pedals during a hard effort such as going over rollers causing the FD 
> cage to rub on the chain. This was exceptionally annoying last week during 
> the Cascade 1200k. 
>
> I've had the problem to a lesser degree when the shifters are mounted on 
> the BE.
>
> The shifter and cable are mounted correctly. This is an issue that has 
> persisted even when the shifters were installed by a knowledgeable 
> mechanic. And yes, the shifter is tightened down on the braze-on.
>
> I'm considering giving Shimano Dura Ace 9spd DT shifters a try. For folks 
> using them, any issues? I've looked for 8spd Dura Ace shifters, which I'd 
> prefer, but Shimano does not seem to be making them anymore. I may just go 
> with 9spd and run the rear shifter in friction mode as my current 
> drivetrain is 8spd.
>
> I'm thinking that this might just be an issue due to the size of my frame 
> and my weight--185lb. I'd be curious what others' experiences have been 
> with the Shimano shifters. 
>
> Oh, and if anyone has a pair of Dura Ace 8spd shifters for sale, let me 
> know.
>
> Thanks,
> mike
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] DT shifter issues

2012-07-02 Thread Scott Henry

Just curious, is the front shifter slipping or is the front derailuer just
rubbing?
If it only happens during hard efforts, it may be due to frame flex rather
than shifter slip.  I'm assuming you are in the big ring and try to hammer
when the frame flexes away and effectively tries to stretch the length of
the cable, due to the FD outer limit screw the FD can't move and thus pulls
the cable with moves the lever...

Just a thought as I hate when people blame their weight and then offer up
something like 185lbs.
Cheers,
Scott (now I feel horrible at my 225lbs) Henry
Dayton, OH





On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 11:24 AM, Mike  wrote:

> So I've been using Silver shifters for a few years now and overall like
> them a lot with one exception. When I mount them on the DT on my 63cm
> Hilsen or 63cm randonneuring bike, the front shifter slips when standing on
> the pedals during a hard effort such as going over rollers causing the FD
> cage to rub on the chain. This was exceptionally annoying last week during
> the Cascade 1200k.
>
> I've had the problem to a lesser degree when the shifters are mounted on
> the BE.
>
> The shifter and cable are mounted correctly. This is an issue that has
> persisted even when the shifters were installed by a knowledgeable
> mechanic. And yes, the shifter is tightened down on the braze-on.
>
> I'm considering giving Shimano Dura Ace 9spd DT shifters a try. For folks
> using them, any issues? I've looked for 8spd Dura Ace shifters, which I'd
> prefer, but Shimano does not seem to be making them anymore. I may just go
> with 9spd and run the rear shifter in friction mode as my current
> drivetrain is 8spd.
>
> I'm thinking that this might just be an issue due to the size of my frame
> and my weight--185lb. I'd be curious what others' experiences have been
> with the Shimano shifters.
>
> Oh, and if anyone has a pair of Dura Ace 8spd shifters for sale, let me
> know.
>
> Thanks,
> mike
>
>
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[RBW] DT shifter issues

2012-07-02 Thread Mike

So I've been using Silver shifters for a few years now and overall like 
them a lot with one exception. When I mount them on the DT on my 63cm 
Hilsen or 63cm randonneuring bike, the front shifter slips when standing on 
the pedals during a hard effort such as going over rollers causing the FD 
cage to rub on the chain. This was exceptionally annoying last week during 
the Cascade 1200k. 

I've had the problem to a lesser degree when the shifters are mounted on 
the BE.

The shifter and cable are mounted correctly. This is an issue that has 
persisted even when the shifters were installed by a knowledgeable 
mechanic. And yes, the shifter is tightened down on the braze-on.

I'm considering giving Shimano Dura Ace 9spd DT shifters a try. For folks 
using them, any issues? I've looked for 8spd Dura Ace shifters, which I'd 
prefer, but Shimano does not seem to be making them anymore. I may just go 
with 9spd and run the rear shifter in friction mode as my current 
drivetrain is 8spd.

I'm thinking that this might just be an issue due to the size of my frame 
and my weight--185lb. I'd be curious what others' experiences have been 
with the Shimano shifters. 

Oh, and if anyone has a pair of Dura Ace 8spd shifters for sale, let me 
know.

Thanks,
mike


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Re: [RBW] Blogs

2012-07-02 Thread Seth Vidal

On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 11:02 AM, Peter Pesce  wrote:
> I like JHK's commentary on urbanism and the American civic landscape - which
> he often rides his bike through - a lot, but I too get bored with his "The
> End is Nigh!" sandwich-boarding that has been going on for at least 13 years
> by my count - he was big on the Y2K computer catastrophe back in the day.
>

Don't tell him about the leap second issues from this weekend or the 2038 bug :)

-sv

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Re: [RBW] Blogs

I like JHK's commentary on urbanism and the American civic landscape - 
which he often rides his bike through - a lot, but I too get bored with his 
"The End is Nigh!" sandwich-boarding that has been going on for at least 13 
years by my count - he was big on the Y2K computer catastrophe back in the 
day. 

On Monday, July 2, 2012 10:49:11 AM UTC-4, Seth Vidal wrote:
>
> On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 10:45 AM, PATRICK MOORE  
> wrote: 
> > Perhaps for more niche audiences uneasy about the eventual effects of 
> > modernism a l'outrance, but: 
> > 
> > Kunstler: http://kunstler.com/blog/2012/07/hostage-racket.html Small 
> > is beautiful because society is going to hell and small will  shortly 
> > be all we have left. Writing style makes BSNYC sound like Jane Austen 
> > -- tho' today's post is very muted. 
> > 
>
> I've found Kunstler to be retreading the same schtick for the last 
> 7yrs or so. It's not that he's entirely wrong - I just think his 
> timeline from the long emergency is compressed by a lot. Reading his 
> work you'd think the collapse of civilization was a movie-plot 
> duration rather than a more glacial pace. And with the same thing 
> coming out over and over again it gets a bit repetitive to read. 
>
>
> -sv 
>

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Re: [RBW] What are your favorite blogs?

2012-07-02 Thread James Warren



I like Esteban Del Rio's:
 
http://veloflaneur.wordpress.com/



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Re: [RBW] Blogs

2012-07-02 Thread Seth Vidal

On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 10:45 AM, PATRICK MOORE  wrote:
> Perhaps for more niche audiences uneasy about the eventual effects of
> modernism a l'outrance, but:
>
> Kunstler: http://kunstler.com/blog/2012/07/hostage-racket.html Small
> is beautiful because society is going to hell and small will  shortly
> be all we have left. Writing style makes BSNYC sound like Jane Austen
> -- tho' today's post is very muted.
>

I've found Kunstler to be retreading the same schtick for the last
7yrs or so. It's not that he's entirely wrong - I just think his
timeline from the long emergency is compressed by a lot. Reading his
work you'd think the collapse of civilization was a movie-plot
duration rather than a more glacial pace. And with the same thing
coming out over and over again it gets a bit repetitive to read.

-sv

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[RBW] Blogs

Perhaps for more niche audiences uneasy about the eventual effects of
modernism a l'outrance, but:

Kunstler: http://kunstler.com/blog/2012/07/hostage-racket.html Small
is beautiful because society is going to hell and small will  shortly
be all we have left. Writing style makes BSNYC sound like Jane Austen
-- tho' today's post is very muted.

Dalrymple: http://www.newenglishreview.org/custpage.cfm/frm/117524/sec_id/117524
A High Anglican sort of Tory who is a non-believer who has very
eloquently described the moral and social decay among the British
caused by modern values and policies (he is a retired prison
psychiatrist_.

Dreher: http://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/

Bike content: Kunstler is a cyclist; Dalrymple isn't AFAIK but he
writes better and is more sane than Peter Hitchens, who is. Dreher ---
well, 

Patrick Moore, who does ride his bike when not reading blogs.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Help! Convince me to buy (or not buy) this Atlantis!

2012-07-02 Thread James Warren


Yes!!


-Original Message-
>From: The Cripler 
>Sent: Jul 1, 2012 11:51 PM
>To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
>Subject: [RBW] Re: Help! Convince me to buy (or not buy) this Atlantis!
>
>I absolutely LOVE this bike! I went  on a couple longer rides this weekend and 
>down to the farmers market. While I loved my Surly LHT, the Altantis us just 
>so much more enjoyable to ride. It also seems to climb better than the LHT. 
>And what a head turner! I have had more compliments on this bike in one 
>weekend than I have ever gotten on any of my other bikes. Thanks to all for 
>the encouragement to purchase. Now...does anyone want to buy a 56cm olive 
>green LHT? ;)
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Re: [RBW] Re: Taking the plunge with A. Homer Hilsen

Nice to see there will be one less 23mm fixie around brooklyn when I am
riding out there! Have fun with the AHH, it is a sweet ride.

On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 10:13 AM, Peter Pesce  wrote:

> That's a beauty! You really went full Riv on that one - Moustache bars,
> Grip Kings, a huge Saddle sack!
>
> Welcome to the club.
>
> -Pete in CT
>
>
> On Sunday, July 1, 2012 9:23:48 PM UTC-4, Jimmy Hutch wrote:
>>
>> Hey, all,
>>
>> I've been reading RBW Owners Bunch for a couple of weeks and this is my
>> first post.
>>
>> I took the plunge and ordered a Rivendell, it arrived a couple of weeks
>> ago.  A 54cm AHH with 650B wheels.
>>
>> A bicycle has been part of my commute for the past 10 years or so.  I
>> have several "typical commutes" that include various combinations of
>> bicycle and Long Island Rail Road (LIRR).  My other commuting bikes are:
>>
>>- 1955 Phillips 3-speed;  Round-trip from home to LIRR station, 1
>>mile each way.
>>- Brompton - 1 mile ride to LIRR, 5 mile ride in NYC to office -
>>reverse on the way home.
>>- Bike Friday New World Tourist - I use this for 25 mile commute in
>>the morning - 5 miles from office to LIRR in evening.
>>- Merlin Agilis - Round-trip from LI to NYC 25 miles each way.
>>(retired)
>>- Rivendell A. Homer Hilsen - to replace the Merlin for the
>>round-trip commute.
>>
>> After switching between the Merlin than the BF regularly I began to
>> notice that the Merlin took more effort to ride than the BF - I suspect it
>> was a combination of the aggressive riding position coupled with carrying a
>> large backpack for 25 miles - it was brutal.  I came to favor the BF over
>> the Merlin for the long commute.  So I started researching full-sized bike
>> to replace the Merlin and came upon Rivendell - I decide to order one and
>> give it a try.  I'm amazed at how well the Rivendell rides, it is
>> remarkably comfortable, it is fast, it is maneuverable - what is the
>> reason? is it the fat tires? the use of steel and lugs? the geometry? the
>> forks?  I have no clue but if everyone had a bike that rides like my
>> Rivendell, they would all ride a lot more often.
>>
>> Here is a pic from my maiden voyage taken somewhere in Brooklyn.
>>
>> https://picasaweb.google.com/**115956293745068682386/**July12012?authkey=
>> **Gv1sRgCLO0i4yY7qyu3wE#**5760362540987289154
>>
>>
>> BTW - Keven also talked me into the $20 poster (I wasn't exactly a hard
>> sell) - It is pretty cool and an outrageous deal for real art.  It shall be
>> framed with 2 mats and hung in the dining room - go wife!
>>
>> -Jimmy
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[RBW] Re: The Poster--What to do now that you have it

Just got mine. It's fantastic.
So good, in fact, that my wife actually approved for display indoors! 
(It only made the cut for the den, not the living room, but that's better 
than the garage..)

-Pete in CT

On Tuesday, June 26, 2012 7:32:33 AM UTC-4, islaysteve wrote:
>
> In anticipation of receiving my poster, I was pondering how I would 
> mount/frame/hang it.  This is the first piece of original art that I will 
> have in the poster medium, and I want to do it right.  Not that I ever 
> intend to sell it, but I'd like to at least be able to hand it down in good 
> condition to one of my kids.  I thought that this article was comprehensive 
> and realistic for the real world:  
> http://www.artelino.com/articles/care_art_prints.asp.
>  
> No matter what you decide to do with your poster, it's better to be 
> informed about your choices.  (I almost feel like buying another; one to 
> hang, one to store away!).
> Cheers, Steve
>

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[RBW] Re: Taking the plunge with A. Homer Hilsen

That's a beauty! You really went full Riv on that one - Moustache bars, 
Grip Kings, a huge Saddle sack! 

Welcome to the club.

-Pete in CT

On Sunday, July 1, 2012 9:23:48 PM UTC-4, Jimmy Hutch wrote:
>
> Hey, all,
>
> I've been reading RBW Owners Bunch for a couple of weeks and this is my 
> first post.  
>
> I took the plunge and ordered a Rivendell, it arrived a couple of weeks 
> ago.  A 54cm AHH with 650B wheels. 
>
> A bicycle has been part of my commute for the past 10 years or so.  I have 
> several "typical commutes" that include various combinations of bicycle and 
> Long Island Rail Road (LIRR).  My other commuting bikes are:
>
>- 1955 Phillips 3-speed;  Round-trip from home to LIRR station, 1 mile 
>each way.
>- Brompton - 1 mile ride to LIRR, 5 mile ride in NYC to office - 
>reverse on the way home.
>- Bike Friday New World Tourist - I use this for 25 mile commute in 
>the morning - 5 miles from office to LIRR in evening.
>- Merlin Agilis - Round-trip from LI to NYC 25 miles each way. 
>(retired)
>- Rivendell A. Homer Hilsen - to replace the Merlin for the round-trip 
>commute.
>
> After switching between the Merlin than the BF regularly I began to notice 
> that the Merlin took more effort to ride than the BF - I suspect it was a 
> combination of the aggressive riding position coupled with carrying a large 
> backpack for 25 miles - it was brutal.  I came to favor the BF over the 
> Merlin for the long commute.  So I started researching full-sized bike to 
> replace the Merlin and came upon Rivendell - I decide to order one and give 
> it a try.  I'm amazed at how well the Rivendell rides, it is remarkably 
> comfortable, it is fast, it is maneuverable - what is the reason? is it the 
> fat tires? the use of steel and lugs? the geometry? the forks?  I have no 
> clue but if everyone had a bike that rides like my Rivendell, they would 
> all ride a lot more often.  
>
> Here is a pic from my maiden voyage taken somewhere in Brooklyn.
>
>
> https://picasaweb.google.com/115956293745068682386/July12012?authkey=Gv1sRgCLO0i4yY7qyu3wE#5760362540987289154
>  
>
> BTW - Keven also talked me into the $20 poster (I wasn't exactly a hard 
> sell) - It is pretty cool and an outrageous deal for real art.  It shall be 
> framed with 2 mats and hung in the dining room - go wife!
>
> -Jimmy
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Taking the plunge with A. Homer Hilsen

2012-07-02 Thread jimD

Congrats on the new bike.
My explanation for how your bike rides is simple:

It's a Rivendell, they make great riding bikes!

That's the bottom line for explanations/answers when I'm asked about my custom 
Riv.
-JimD
On Jul 1, 2012, at 6:23 PM, Jimmy Hutch wrote:

>   I'm amazed at how well the Rivendell rides, it is remarkably 
> comfortable, it is fast, it is maneuverable - what is the reason? is it the 
> fat tires? the use of steel and lugs? the geometry? the forks?  I have no 
> clue but if everyone had a bike that rides like my Rivendell, they would all 
> ride a lot more often.  
> 
> Here is a pic from my maiden voyage taken somewhere in Brooklyn.
> 
> https://picasaweb.google.com/115956293745068682386/July12012?authkey=Gv1sRgCLO0i4yY7qyu3wE#5760362540987289154
>  
> 
> BTW - Keven also talked me into the $20 poster (I wasn't exactly a hard sell) 
> - It is pretty cool and an outrageous deal for real art.  It shall be framed 
> with 2 mats and hung in the dining room - go wife!
> 
> -Jimmy
> 
> 
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Re: [RBW] What are your favorite blogs?

2012-07-02 Thread jimD

Thanks very much!
As interesting and entertaining  to read as Grant's writing.
R. Sachs is the real deal.
-JimD
On Jul 1, 2012, at 11:00 PM, Evan wrote:

> Richard Sachs. It's like a serial autobiography, written in fragments, with 
> reflections on frames, bikes, business, life:  
> 
> http://www.richardsachs.com/site/category/atmo-bis/
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[RBW] Re: Revenge of GP!

2012-07-02 Thread Benz

I was in a similar situation a few months ago while riding a 200k
brevet (hosted by the SFR in case anyone's interested). The dude's
bike had very little space around the rear triangle and 1 of his 24
spokes on his rear wheel broke. Fortunately for him, I'm fairly handy
in bicycle mechanics and had the correct spoke wrench. I made a few
adjustments to make the wheel rideable and away we went! He got his
wheel fixed enough to ride to the nearest bike shop and I had a nice
excuse for a break (which I needed! LOL).

I don't know if Topeak still sells this spoke wrench but I carry this
on my key ring as it weighs nothing.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/deanlung/2930440829/

On Jul 1, 1:36 pm, Michael Hechmer  wrote:
> Very nice ride today.  Thirty miles out and back on the oddly named
> Pleasant Valley Road.  It is indeed pleasant, just not a valley.  A full
> 1600 feet of climbing before your done.  Anyway I was just about to start
> up the last couple of miles of steep uphill when I saw a rider standing on
> the other side of the road.  He said something snapped and then the bike
> got really hard to pedal.  A quick examination turned up a broken spoke and
> a 21 mm tire wedged against the  chain stay.  No space; vertical drop outs
> so no way to cheat a little.  I skipped the lecture as he appeared anxious
> enough already.  I asked him if he was headed to Cambridge ( 5-6 miles of
> downhill.)  Nope, his car was in Underhill, back up the hill he was going
> down.
>
> Nothing I could do to help.
>
> Michael

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[RBW] Re: Help! Convince me to buy (or not buy) this Atlantis!

2012-07-02 Thread The Cripler

I absolutely LOVE this bike! I went  on a couple longer rides this weekend and 
down to the farmers market. While I loved my Surly LHT, the Altantis us just so 
much more enjoyable to ride. It also seems to climb better than the LHT. And 
what a head turner! I have had more compliments on this bike in one weekend 
than I have ever gotten on any of my other bikes. Thanks to all for the 
encouragement to purchase. Now...does anyone want to buy a 56cm olive green 
LHT? ;)

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Re: [RBW] Re: Ergon pedals

2012-07-02 Thread Shifty

As this topic morphs into repacking Grip Kings, I'll mention that ironically, I 
just repacked mine two days ago to get rid of clicking!! I too, lubed and 
tightened everything and suddenly the light bulb went on: maybe it's the 
pedals! When I googled something like, clicking MKS pedals, I immediately found 
articles on repacking (disassembling and relubing) as a remedy. It worked and 
now they spin beautiful and are completely quiet. This has occurred to other 
pedal that I've owned but then, all the others were cartridge style pedals that 
cost 3x as much. Go figure.

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[RBW] Taking the plunge with A. Homer Hilsen

2012-07-02 Thread Jimmy Hutch

Hey, all,

I've been reading RBW Owners Bunch for a couple of weeks and this is my
first post.

I took the plunge and ordered a Rivendell, it arrived a couple of weeks
ago. A 54cm AHH with 650B wheels.

A bicycle has been part of my commute for the past 10 years or so. I have
several "typical commutes" that include various combinations of bicycle and
Long Island Rail Road (LIRR). My other commuting bikes are:

- 1955 Phillips 3-speed; Round-trip from home to LIRR station, 1 mile
each way.
- Brompton - 1 mile ride to LIRR, 5 mile ride in NYC to office - reverse
on the way home.
- Bike Friday New World Tourist - I use this for 25 mile commute in the
morning - 5 miles from office to LIRR in evening.
- Merlin Agilis - Round-trip from LI to NYC 25 miles each way. (retired)
- Rivendell A. Homer Hilsen - to replace the Merlin for the round-trip
commute.

After switching between the Merlin than the BF regularly I began to notice
that the Merlin took more effort to ride than the BF - I suspect it was a
combination of the aggressive riding position coupled with carrying a large
backpack for 25 miles - it was brutal. I came to favor the BF over the
Merlin for the long commute. So I started researching full-sized bike to
replace the Merlin and came upon Rivendell - I decide to order one and give
it a try. I'm amazed at how well the Rivendell rides, it is remarkably
comfortable, it is fast, it is maneuverable - what is the reason? is it the
fat tires? the use of steel and lugs? the geometry? the forks? I have no
clue but if everyone had a bike that rides like my Rivendell, they would
all ride a lot more often.

Here is a pic from my maiden voyage taken somewhere in Brooklyn.

https://picasaweb.google.com/115956293745068682386/July12012?authkey=Gv1sRgCLO0i4yY7qyu3wE#5760362540987289154

BTW - Keven also talked me into the $20 poster (I wasn't exactly a hard
sell) - It is pretty cool and an outrageous deal for real art. It shall be
framed with 2 mats and hung in the dining room - go wife!

-Jimmy

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[RBW] Re: FS: Left side Silver bar end shifter - new!

2012-07-02 Thread Shifty

Found a home.

On Friday, June 29, 2012 8:12:13 AM UTC-5, Shifty wrote:
>
> It's marked "L" for left side. 1 lever only, intended to shift front 
> derailleur. I made a 1 x 9 setup and this shifter is unused. $25 CONUS. 
>

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Re: [RBW] Question about Riv site