Re: [RBW] Stolen Rambouillet UPDATE!

2015-06-27 Thread Lungimsam
Congrats! What a story!!

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[RBW] Re: Mechanical disadvantage? Seeking joyful braking.

2015-06-27 Thread Johan Larsson
On Friday, June 26, 2015 at 7:03:31 PM UTC+2, Alan Pickett wrote:

 Thanks for all the responses - I will fiddle a bit more before plunking 
 down any serious money since I don't have to change anything, but I really 
 appreciate the wisdom and perspective of the group. As I understand is, the 
 CR720s as a high profile brake will certainly have less MA, but I''m still 
 a little confused about how one evaluates mechanical advantage regarding 
 levers - is this what is going on when one refers to short vs long pull?


Short pull - road/caliper/centerpull brakes and cantilever brake levers - 
pulls about 7 mm cable for a full squeeze of the brake lever according to a 
fast internet search.
Long pull - V-brakes and mechanical MTB disc brake levers - pulls about 15 
mm cable for a full squeeze of the brake lever according to the same fast 
internet search. (I'm not sure if those 7 and 15 mm figures are exact, but 
I guess it's in the ball park.)



 It's funny, I can visualize the concept of Mechanical advantage best if I 
 imagine the classic see-saw diagram with a fulcrum in the middle and levers 
 of various lengths, but I get totally lost when that translates to straddle 
 yokes, straddle wire angles, and the various points along a brake arm that 
 play a role in determining leverage. 


The lower the straddle cable, the more mechanical advantage - goes for 
every cantilever brake you will come across.

See the note in my previous post for a see-saw fulcrum analogue in 
mechanical advantages for levers: For finding levers better matching those 
brakes, measure the distance from the center of where the lever turns (the 
fulcrum?) to where the wire is attached, and try to find a lever with a 
smaller distance. - Brake lever on one side of the fulcrum, and a short 
distance on the other side for a short pull brake (large mechanical 
advantage). With a larger distance to the other side you have a long pull 
brake - moves more cable but have a smaller mechanical advantage, i.e. you 
need much more force on the brake lever to put as much force on the cable.
 

 Sounds like many of you really get results with V Brakes. And Deacon! That 
 straddle yoke is in the stratosphere, at least as far as my bike relates: I 
 moved mine down just above the (fenders) tire.


That picture with the high yoke shows a very strange setup, as it minimizes 
the braking force for an already weak (in-built low mechanical advantage) 
brake.

And remember - for any comparison between effectiveness of different kind 
of brakes to be useful, you need to use exactly the same brake pads. 
V-brakes normally uses very thin brake pads that will make the brake feel 
more solid and direct, even though the braking force and effect would be 
the same for a cantilever brake with thicker pads that compress more for 
the same given force.


Johan Larsson,
Sweden


 


 Happy Friday Everybody,
 Alan
 On Friday, June 26, 2015 at 7:02:04 AM UTC-4, Alan Pickett wrote:

 So, before I ponied up for my Hillborne, I purchased a Surly Cross Check 
 about four years ago and completely Rivendellized it, with what at the 
 time amounted to a Riv Build Kit: Albatross bars, Sugino triple, bar-end 
 silver shifters, Tektro CR720 wide profile cantis and the Tektro Eclipse 
 linear pull levers. I never thought much about it, and the brakes have 
 performed over time, and the whole bike treated me well, even during the 
 Ragbrai of 2012, with over 100 degree temperatures most days.

 Now that I have my side pull hillborne with the lovely bigmouth side 
 pulls and the tektro mountain levers, I find that I really love the smooth, 
 almost buttery action of the levers and the lack of white knuckling 
 required to get modulation out of the brakes, and have started fiddling 
 with my old setup on the Surly. I've lowered the CR720's straddle wire 
 hanger as low as it will go, and have double checked to make sure that the 
 setting on the Eclipse levers is set for non-linear pull brakes (y'all 
 might remember that it had two settings for the cable nipple, depending on 
 the brakes used), but still have a sense of having to really clench the 
 levers to white-knuckle levels to bring the bike to rest. It's not that 
 they've ever failed, and I certainly become used to this set-up whenever I 
 return to the Surly, but do find that I like the action of the side pulls 
 and Mountain levers a lot more - it's like having power brakes vs 
 floor-stompers!

 So, is this simply a matter of mechanical advantage, and have I likely 
 exhausted my ability to get as much MA out of the cantis and levers, or is 
 there anything I can do to get more leverage? I remember in the description 
 of the CR720s they are described as having a positiveness and crispness, 
 and maybe that is another way of saying less mechanical advantage, and 
 that's just how wide profile canto's behave? I did wonder if I could 
 replace the levers, since it appears that the Eclipse levers were actually 
 

Re: [RBW] Re: Blug on long chainstays

2015-06-27 Thread Marc Irwin
I've had to add chainlinks to both the Hunq's and Hillborne's chains when I 
install new ones.  The longer stays and larger cogs I use just won't work 
with the chains my LBS carries for the spandex hamsters in the area.  Talk 
about fitting them in a bike box?  My Hunq just* barely *fit in one of the 
gigantic boxes that Amtrak offers.  I don't think the Appaloosa could come 
close.

Marc


On Friday, June 26, 2015 at 12:05:58 PM UTC-4, Pudge wrote:

  I believe in one of his Blug posts about the Mystery Bikes (which have 
 chainstays in the 54 cm range), GP said they had to cobble together an 
 extra-long chain out of extra links from a second chain.

  

 *From:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com javascript: [mailto:
 rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com javascript:] *On Behalf Of *Andrew 
 Marchant-Shapiro
 *Sent:* Thursday, June 25, 2015 9:18 PM
 *To:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com javascript:
 *Subject:* [RBW] Re: Blug on long chainstays

  
  
 I had an '85 Trek 650.  Stays for days.  I'm scrounging for a photo right 
 now, but I can't lay my hands on one.  I do believe that with a wheelbase 
 *that* long, there may have been some slight compromise in handling.  But 
 nothing significant.  And it was a joy to ride with rear panniers mounted, 
 especially with my enormous feet.  ISTRC that one problem I ran into was 
 finding sufficiently long chains when I ran it as a derailer setup (I 
 ultimately settled on using a wheel with an AW 3-speed IG hub).

 On Thursday, June 25, 2015 at 3:26:56 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
  
 Interesting post. I heard tell that Jobst would tell the builder, Don't 
 cut anything off of the stays. At any rate, I *tend* to agree with Grant 
 (don't know enough about frames to say with certainty), but my own 
 experience, such as it is, makes me so tend.
  
  
  
 My 2 Riv Road customs have 44.5 cm stays -- measured to center of 
 horizontals -- actually, I think Chauncey has added another cm or so to the 
 rear: he's waiting for dropouts from England. At any rate, this is the same 
 length as the massively long stays on the Fargo (where I can run 50s actual 
 with PB 60s and an inch of air in between, all 'round). 
  
  
  
 The point, and it's one Grant seems to have missed, is that * long stays 
 do not -- *repeat, *DO NOT* -- *compromise quick handling.* I must 
 clarify. My 2 Rivs turn in noticeably faster than did the Ram (that's one 
 reason I sold the Ram, tho' the Ram was pleasant; just slightly slower that 
 I wanted in a road bike). The customs, while being almost as stable as the 
 Ram in the straight (almost: I think the heavier, larger wheels of the 
 Ram affect things), they turn in with exquisite compliance: no hesitation 
 at all, while not at all being twitchy. Quick but seamless.
  
  
  
 I'm sure that the short and light wheels affect this too, but on these 2 
 bikes Grant managed to capture what, for me at least, is a kind of ideal 
 mix of steadiness and quickness -- and, back to the point: this is done 
 despite what, by modern standards, are hugely long stays. (The Roadeo has 
 43 cm stays, IIRC.)
  
  
  
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Re: [RBW] Standover on a 60cm Sam?

2015-06-27 Thread Eric Daume
Thanks Jeff, that's just what I needed.

That standover is a bit high for me, for my use (as a city bike, I like
extra clearance because I'm starting and stopping a lot when riding with
the kids). Hmm, maybe time to think about a Cheviot...

Eric

On Fri, Jun 26, 2015 at 4:34 PM, Jeff Lesperance jeff.lespera...@gmail.com
wrote:

 My second-hand double top-tube 60CM SH is approx. 34-5/8 inches / 88CM
 measured approx. center of top top tube, shod with Compass Barlow Pass
 tires. My PBH comes in somewhere between 90 and 91cm or approx. 35.5 so
 I don't have a lot of room for error in the standover department, but I
 never think about it as it's become my largest and most comfortable bike.

 My measurements appear to jibe with this geometry chart
 https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AjehUKAztnO8dEFRVEYxUWpxeXNPMHZMeDZINmNUMWc#gid=0
 linked from this page on the Riv site:
 http://www.rivbike.com/Bikes-s/619.htm

 where the standover height is listed as 87.6cm

 -Jeff
 Silver Spring, MD

 On Fri, Jun 26, 2015 at 4:16 PM, Eric Daume ericda...@gmail.com wrote:

 Can anyone tell me the stand over height of a 60cm Sam, measured at the
 center of the top tube?

 Thanks,
 Eric

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[RBW] Re: My Fargo just lost 2 lb! Woolywarm!

2015-06-27 Thread Garth

Sorry Patrick . . . . but this makes me giggle  !   

I see your high humidity for Albuquerque is where your dewpoints are 
upper 40's to low 50's.   That's quite comfortable actually .  When 
dewpoints get into the 60's you will really start to feel  it.  I'd be 
curious to know if anyone here wears wool when the dewpoints are 70 and 
above .  If anyone says it's comfortable they're deluded , because it 
really doesn't matter what you wear at that point because everything wets 
out and stays wet !  Shirtless actually feels about the best at that point  
.  . . lol .  

Me . . . I think all clothing is overrated , as if there is some garment is 
better than skin itself .  Kinda comes down to vanity again .  . .. .mine 
is somehow better than yours . . . this is somehow better than that .  . . 
. . this blah blah is somehow blah blah than that blah blah .
Ahaahahahahaahahahahahaha !   How silly is man and thinking !   





On Friday, June 26, 2015 at 8:51:40 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:

*when I left; humidity high in the upper 20s/low 30s, too. *


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[RBW] ISO cheap, temporary, 559 X 32 mm tire

2015-06-27 Thread Patrick Moore
Jan says that the new Compass 559X32s won't arrive until ~ August.
Meanwhile, I have a new 3d wheel coming, 36# S/R EQL 21 and S3X, and I need
a tire for it. My normal wheelset is shod with 559X1.35 Kojaks.

Does anyone have anything anywhere similar to these Kojaks? Cheap best,
trades good, cash possible.

Thanks.

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[RBW] Re: Off topic alert!! Feedback request.

2015-06-27 Thread Mike Schiller
oh... all you hipsters and your cigarette pantshow trendy!  

BW...I have some Marmot shorts in a similar fabric... don't seem to absorb 
moisture much but I don't ride  in them.   

~mike
Carlsbad Ca.


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Re: [RBW] Re: My Fargo just lost 2 lb! Woolywarm!

2015-06-27 Thread Patrick Moore
I know, I lived variously in Washington DC, Atlanta, GA, Karachi Pakistan
(awful hellhole: no rain; regular dust storms; WDC humidity; mould on all
the buildings. No wonder the country is a mess); and immediately pre
monsoon New Delhi. I agree, you cannot be comfortable without A/C no matter
what you wear, unless you are encased in ice.

But relative to our climate here in high desert ABQ, NM, wool is the bee's
(bees'?) knees.

On Sat, Jun 27, 2015 at 6:25 AM, Garth garth...@gmail.com wrote:


 Sorry Patrick . . . . but this makes me giggle  !

 I see your high humidity for Albuquerque is where your dewpoints are
 upper 40's to low 50's.   That's quite comfortable actually .  When
 dewpoints get into the 60's you will really start to feel  it.  I'd be
 curious to know if anyone here wears wool when the dewpoints are 70 and
 above .  If anyone says it's comfortable they're deluded , because it
 really doesn't matter what you wear at that point because everything wets
 out and stays wet !  Shirtless actually feels about the best at that point
 .  . . lol .

 Me . . . I think all clothing is overrated , as if there is some garment
 is better than skin itself .  Kinda comes down to vanity again .  . ..
 .mine is somehow better than yours . . . this is somehow better than that
 .  . . . . this blah blah is somehow blah blah than that blah blah .
 Ahaahahahahaahahahahahaha !   How silly is man and thinking !





 On Friday, June 26, 2015 at 8:51:40 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:

 *when I left; humidity high in the upper 20s/low 30s, too. *

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[RBW] Santa Monica mountain riding

2015-06-27 Thread Patrick Moore
I was just talking to someone on the CR list about the area east roughly of
the Mulholland HW and Las Virgines road intersection, where 40 years ago
there were a number of winding, hilly, very well built canyon roads perfect
for energetic cycling.

Are any of y'all familiar with riding here? I suppose that in the last 40
years the entire landscape has been filled with tract housing.

My college, Thomas Aquinas, now just outside of Santa Paul, at the time
('73-'77) rented the ex-Claretian seminary occupying the lovely grounds of
the old Gillette mansion (I think it's now a state park). Across Las
Virgines was the old Fox Ranch (where I worked as a night watchman to keep
cows and vandals off the Swiss Fam Rob and Mash sets) and hit 70 mph on the
tiny, winding dirt tracks on Fox lot beaters at 3 am. (We destroyed many
vehicles that way -- great fun.)

Anyway. There was a coterie of roadies who would share these canyon roads
(Cold Canyon? Liberty Canyon?) with the choppers on weekends; an ex student
from TAC got into trouble by taking a brakeless track bike up into those
hills.*

I myself was then sans bike; I'd sold my 10 speed when returning to the US,
but I'd borrow bikes and ride the canyons -- great fun. I recall once
bombing down Mullholland Hwy on the other side of Las Virgines on the way
to the Woodland Hills shopping center, and being passed (after a long
pursuit) by a motor vehicle whose drive yelled, You hit 45!

At the Woodland Hills shopping center, along the Ventura Fwy, there as a
bike shop that had a very early CF bike in the window.

*Doug Gilles, whose family owned at the time a well known Santa Monica bike
shop -- Helen's? He was an ill fit at conservative Catholic TAC, with
shoulder length hair and Buddhist beliefs. One anecdote: the college, a
very small startup at the time, had its coterie of devotees of the more
marginal and exotic old fashioned Catholic cults. One Halloween Gilles went
around the dorm rooms dressed up as the Infant of Prague. He'd knock on
doors and say, Bless you my child and then hit the occupant on the head
with his scepter. Gilles was 6'3 and 300 lb at the time (he lost weight by
the time he had the track bike accident).



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Re: [RBW] WTB: Rear 26 Touring Wheel

2015-06-27 Thread cyclotourist
Hi Eric, I PM'ed you twice... please check your spam folder.

On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 11:18 AM, Ginz theg...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Folks,

 Looking for a 26 rear touring wheel, 135mm spacing, Shimano cassette
 body, 36 spokes, sturdy rim, non-disc

 I'll consider anything in good shape, from XT, XTR, White Industries up to
 Phil Cassette!

 Please email off list!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rock N Roads w/ Fenders on 51cm Sam Hillborne?

2015-06-27 Thread Philip Kim
Huzzah! They fit. Probably would not have worked with metal fenders but sks 
p50s clearances are tight so I have to bend some stuff. But it looks pretty 
good. Will post pictures once I decide on albatross vs noodles.

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[RBW] Re: Mechanical disadvantage? Seeking joyful braking.

2015-06-27 Thread Bill Lindsay
The lower the straddle cable, the more mechanical advantage - goes for every 
cantilever brake you will come across.

True in the mathematical sense. Misleading in the practical sense. Wide, low 
cantilevers like CR720s and M.A.F.A.C. and others don't change much at all with 
straddle height. Run them high or run them low, they feel about the same. The 
place where straddle height would make a difference with CR720 is where the 
straddle is inside the tirewhich causes other problems. 

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[RBW] Re: Mechanical disadvantage? Seeking joyful braking.

2015-06-27 Thread Michael Hechmer
I'm with Deacon on this.  I have 720s on one bike  Paul's on another.  No 
comparison.  I also agree with his set up.  Intuitively, picturing how all 
levers work, it seems necessary to keep the straddle cable close to 90o to 
the brake arm.  Hence hi profile brake work best with a hi straddle cable 
(and Paul recommends at least 5 for the neo retros) and shorter cables for 
low profile brakes like shimano.  I owned V brakes briefly and know that 
some people really like them, but I'm a 200 lb. rider and can lift the rear 
wheel off the ground when I slam on the neo-retros.  I owe em my life and 
I'm sticking with em.

Michael

On Saturday, June 27, 2015 at 12:32:25 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote:

 The lower the straddle cable, the more mechanical advantage - goes for 
 every cantilever brake you will come across. 

 True in the mathematical sense. Misleading in the practical sense. Wide, 
 low cantilevers like CR720s and M.A.F.A.C. and others don't change much at 
 all with straddle height. Run them high or run them low, they feel about 
 the same. The place where straddle height would make a difference with 
 CR720 is where the straddle is inside the tirewhich causes other 
 problems.  


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[RBW] Re: Blug on long chainstays

2015-06-27 Thread BenG
I ride nice bikes all the way across this spectrum, so while sitting out a 
stormy day, I measured them.  Stays first, rounded nearest:  
46cm stable, smooth, fun down single-track - 49cm Schwinn Sierra -1987
43cm responsive, easy uphill/slow speed handling - 55cm Bstone MB-1 - 1990
46cm feels right everywhere, nothing amiss - 60cm Hillborne - 201X
55cm smooth, comfort, start that tight turn early - 57cm Mystery bike - 201Y

The 46/49 Sierra and the 55/57 Mystery feel alike. The 46/60 Hillborne and the 
43/55 MB-1 do, too, now that I consider it, but Sam shall not wear trail scars 
that the MB-1 can bear, so they go different places.
They look like two recipes that produce two results, and I like them both.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Anne on the Great Divide

2015-06-27 Thread Montclair BobbyB
Actually I predict Anne will shatter all records (for most joy-filled tour of 
The Divide)...THAT'S what it's all about.  Shame the others have to ride it 
heads-down in an awful hurry... Ride beautifully, Anne.  Savor the journey.  
Peace, BB

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Re: [RBW] Re: Anne on the Great Divide

2015-06-27 Thread Bill
I'm with MBB on this. Anne, enjoy every mile, every minute, and savor every 
bite of pie. The snow won't hit for another four to six months, so don't rush 
it.

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[RBW] WTB: 56cm Quickbeam

2015-06-27 Thread Evan Jahn
Hello.  The subject line says it all.  I would very much like to own a 56cm 
Quickbeam. Can anyone help?  Thank you

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[RBW] Bosco/Albatross Aluminum Vs Chromoly

2015-06-27 Thread 'john elliott' via RBW Owners Bunch
I’m curious if the aluminum version of the bosco is slightly stiffer 
feeling than the cromoly bosco or if anyone has experience comparing the 
aluminum alba to the chromoly albatross bars in terms or stiffness or other 
factors.

I have the chromoly albatross bars and before that I had the aluminum 
moustache bars.  When I switched from moustache to alba I went from 
aluminum to chromoly and I do feel like the chromoly are a bit flexier.   
(but I know it’s tubing is slightly bigger sized too) and that may make the 
difference as opposed to the material change.


I’m not at all worried about strength differences between these bars, but I 
liked the feel of the stiffness of the moustache….. 



Anyone have any thoughts on this?



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[RBW] Re: Tire trouble puzzlement

2015-06-27 Thread Tom Bancroft
In case anyone cares, I have put Soma B-Lines, Regular Hetres and now Soma 
Xpress and 650b Marathons on 5 different Synergies from Australia and 
Florida and been unable to get any of them completely round. I have put 
many miles on them and don't find the bumps to be detectable or a problem. 
I also was riding around last week with a 700x28 tube in there folded into 
a chicane at one point and it made it across town a couple times. I am 
pretty sure I haven't had anything but pinch flats (my fault) and maybe two 
glass shards in the 3 years I've been riding these wheels. OK

Tom, Vancouver BC

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[RBW] Re: Post Surgery Therapy

2015-06-27 Thread David Person
I sure hope so, Chris.  Riding does seem to help loosen up the back, though 
there's still a long ways to go with the recovery.  I've enjoyed reading 
your blog, one of many I follow that have helped keep me motivated to get 
back to biking.  I'm going to give those Albatrosses a go in a week or so. 
 I know you did a lot of back and forth between them and drops before 
finally settling on the Albas.  I bought a second stem so that I can swap 
out the cockpit as a complete unit and just change out the cables and 
housing, transfer the bar-end shifters and bell.  Should make the 
transition easier and allow me to go between the drops and the Albatrosses 
without too much fuss.

On Wednesday, June 24, 2015 at 7:56:15 PM UTC-7, Pondero wrote:

 Ah...that's some seriously good looking medicine there.  May it be 
 seriously effective. 

 Chris Johnson 
 Sanger, Texas

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[RBW] Re: Post Surgery Therapy

2015-06-27 Thread David Person
Thanks Ron.  The inspiration for the photos come from Alan Barnard of 
EcoVelo fame.  I always admired his creative style when he'd do a photo 
shoot of his bikes.  Wish he had kept the website going.

On Wednesday, June 24, 2015 at 8:07:39 AM UTC-7, Ron Mc wrote:

 thanks for the photos - great job





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[RBW] Re: FS 54 Saluki

2015-06-27 Thread KLA
Hello,

Can you provide some measurements, TT for example, thanks!  Kate

On Wednesday, June 24, 2015 at 10:14:19 AM UTC-4, George Chalekian wrote:

 Mostly immaculate.
 $2,500.

 This was my daily commuter four times weekly, 21 miles round trip, for 
 four years.
 Now my commute is 27 steps from the bed to my desk chair.
 As a consequence the Saluki, which was a purpose-built as a Commuter / 
 Rando bike with racks and panniers, has been relegated to grocery status.
 Not a dignified life for such a bike so I'm posting it here, and only 
 here, first.

 So why not Rando or bicycle camp then?

 Frankly, not much opportunity on the small island of Oahu.

 I say mostly immaculate because there are a few dings in the paint.
 Otherwise, the bicycle lived in the house or next to my desk at the office 
 and still has that original clear coat shine because except for grocery 
 duty it was never locked up our left outside.
 And Grant knows his way away around parts, as you'll see below.
 Everything works flawlessly.
 This is one of the smoothest, easiest-riding, most comfortable bikes I've 
 ever been on.
 Pics attached, many more available if you're interested.

 The Specs:

 *Frame  Fork*
 Lugged steel (of course) 54 cm, pewter with white detailing

 *Drive Train*
 You (potentially)
 *Front Derailleur*
 Shimano 105 
 *Rear Derailleur*
 Shimano XT 
 *Cassette*
 Shimano 9-speed 11-32t
 *Crank*

 Sugino triple 46/36/24t


 *Components*

 *Headset*

 Chris King

 *Stem*

 Nitto

 *Handlebar*

 Velo Orange Rando (I will throw in a mustache bar which is great for 
 everything except headwinds)

 *Shifters*

 Shimano Bar End

 *Brake Levers*

 Shimano

 *Brakes*

 Shimano Cantis

 *Seatpost*

 Nitto

 *Saddle*

 Selle Anatomica Titanico

 *Cables*

 Really? Cables? Yes.


 *Wheels*

 *Front Hub*

 Schmidt Nabendynamo

 *Rear Hub*

 Shimano Deore
 *Wheels*
 Hand Built by Rich Lesnik of Hands On Wheels
 Rigida Sphinx 36 hole rims
 *Tires*
 Panaracer Col De La Vie Randonée 650 B (I'll throw in two brand new ones)

  
 *Additional Goodies, Included*

 Twin Schmidt E6 Halogens (and possibly an extra bulb which occasionally 
 appears in the panniers)

 Nitto Front Rack

 SKS Fenders (the rear one is damaged – thanks to an attacking shopping 
 cart -- but functional – I mean it's a mud / rain flap afterall)
 Near Field Pedestrian Warning System (aka brass bell)


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[RBW] Re: FS 54 Saluki

2015-06-27 Thread George Chalekian
Ah yes, wild chickens abound here. Feathered alarm clocks set for about 5 am in 
the summer. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: My Fargo just lost 2 lb! Woolywarm!

2015-06-27 Thread Aaron Young
Patrick,

I think the saying is The Bees' Knees' Fleas, if you please. :)  Just don't
think about it too much, or it progressively makes less and less sense.

I've never tried a wool jersey like that, but often ride in a thin merino
ss shirt I got at Riv.  Assuming it's similar, I've found it very versatile
as a single layer in high heat to moderately cool temps.

Here's to riding in wool or otherwise!

-Aaron Not riding today because it's projected to be 108 degrees out
today Young
The Dalles, OR

On Sat, Jun 27, 2015 at 10:51 AM, Patrick Moore bertin...@gmail.com wrote:

 I know, I lived variously in Washington DC, Atlanta, GA, Karachi Pakistan
 (awful hellhole: no rain; regular dust storms; WDC humidity; mould on all
 the buildings. No wonder the country is a mess); and immediately pre
 monsoon New Delhi. I agree, you cannot be comfortable without A/C no matter
 what you wear, unless you are encased in ice.

 But relative to our climate here in high desert ABQ, NM, wool is the bee's
 (bees'?) knees.

 On Sat, Jun 27, 2015 at 6:25 AM, Garth garth...@gmail.com wrote:


 Sorry Patrick . . . . but this makes me giggle  !

 I see your high humidity for Albuquerque is where your dewpoints are
 upper 40's to low 50's.   That's quite comfortable actually .  When
 dewpoints get into the 60's you will really start to feel  it.  I'd be
 curious to know if anyone here wears wool when the dewpoints are 70 and
 above .  If anyone says it's comfortable they're deluded , because it
 really doesn't matter what you wear at that point because everything wets
 out and stays wet !  Shirtless actually feels about the best at that point
 .  . . lol .

 Me . . . I think all clothing is overrated , as if there is some garment
 is better than skin itself .  Kinda comes down to vanity again .  . ..
 .mine is somehow better than yours . . . this is somehow better than that
 .  . . . . this blah blah is somehow blah blah than that blah blah .
 Ahaahahahahaahahahahahaha !   How silly is man and thinking !





 On Friday, June 26, 2015 at 8:51:40 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:

 *when I left; humidity high in the upper 20s/low 30s, too. *

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Re: [RBW] Re: The 5 minute bike...the worst of marketing

2015-06-27 Thread Roy Drinkwater
Are those shoes with (gasp!) laces?

What will they think of next?

Roy H. Drinkwater
Lititz, PA

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[RBW] Re: FS 54 Saluki

2015-06-27 Thread David Person
Nice looking bike.  Can I ask, what model is the rear rack?  Not seen one 
quite like that when surfing for Nitto racks.

On Wednesday, June 24, 2015 at 7:14:19 AM UTC-7, George Chalekian wrote:

 Mostly immaculate.
 $2,500.

 This was my daily commuter four times weekly, 21 miles round trip, for 
 four years.
 Now my commute is 27 steps from the bed to my desk chair.
 As a consequence the Saluki, which was a purpose-built as a Commuter / 
 Rando bike with racks and panniers, has been relegated to grocery status.
 Not a dignified life for such a bike so I'm posting it here, and only 
 here, first.

 So why not Rando or bicycle camp then?

 Frankly, not much opportunity on the small island of Oahu.

 I say mostly immaculate because there are a few dings in the paint.
 Otherwise, the bicycle lived in the house or next to my desk at the office 
 and still has that original clear coat shine because except for grocery 
 duty it was never locked up our left outside.
 And Grant knows his way away around parts, as you'll see below.
 Everything works flawlessly.
 This is one of the smoothest, easiest-riding, most comfortable bikes I've 
 ever been on.
 Pics attached, many more available if you're interested.

 The Specs:

 *Frame  Fork*
 Lugged steel (of course) 54 cm, pewter with white detailing

 *Drive Train*
 You (potentially)
 *Front Derailleur*
 Shimano 105 
 *Rear Derailleur*
 Shimano XT 
 *Cassette*
 Shimano 9-speed 11-32t
 *Crank*

 Sugino triple 46/36/24t


 *Components*

 *Headset*

 Chris King

 *Stem*

 Nitto

 *Handlebar*

 Velo Orange Rando (I will throw in a mustache bar which is great for 
 everything except headwinds)

 *Shifters*

 Shimano Bar End

 *Brake Levers*

 Shimano

 *Brakes*

 Shimano Cantis

 *Seatpost*

 Nitto

 *Saddle*

 Selle Anatomica Titanico

 *Cables*

 Really? Cables? Yes.


 *Wheels*

 *Front Hub*

 Schmidt Nabendynamo

 *Rear Hub*

 Shimano Deore
 *Wheels*
 Hand Built by Rich Lesnik of Hands On Wheels
 Rigida Sphinx 36 hole rims
 *Tires*
 Panaracer Col De La Vie Randonée 650 B (I'll throw in two brand new ones)

  
 *Additional Goodies, Included*

 Twin Schmidt E6 Halogens (and possibly an extra bulb which occasionally 
 appears in the panniers)

 Nitto Front Rack

 SKS Fenders (the rear one is damaged – thanks to an attacking shopping 
 cart -- but functional – I mean it's a mud / rain flap afterall)
 Near Field Pedestrian Warning System (aka brass bell)


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[RBW] FS: Ortlieb, Tubus, Madden, BM

2015-06-27 Thread Jack K
Hey RBW-folk,

As part of my continuing I ain't got no job sale and just in time for 
your epic summer tour ... panniers and racks!  All prices are + shipping.

   1. *New Ortlieb Back-Roller Plus Panniers*:  New-in-box, red/black, QL2 
   mounting system, video review here: www.youtube.com/watch?v=PL81YkQdDOg, 
   $220 online and at REI. * $165*
   2. *New Ortlieb Sport-Packer Plus Panniers:*  New-in-box, red/black, QL2 
   mounting system, video review here: www.youtube.com/watch?v=-TzqbcaQxTc, 
   $210 online and at REI.  *$155*
   3. *New Tubus Cosmo stainless rear rack* (with low-ish rider mounts): 
   Installed, then removed without ever having a pannier mounted on it. 
   Original version of the Cosmo, so looks like this: 
   http://www.therandonneeshop.com/medi...ubus_Cosmo.jpg 
   
http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.therandonneeshop.com%2Fmedia%2F238%2FTubus_Cosmo.jpgsa=Dsntz=1usg=AFQjCNEnNw7prcaEYDOtEWlcoHy57VAwag
  
   Included is the $13 Tubus Lower Rack Mounting Kit, which can be used to 
   position the rack slightly further back to increase clearance for heels or 
   disc brakes, or help on bikes with normal length chainstays. $210+$13=$223 
   is cheapest online price I see; say *$170* for everything.
   4. *New-ish BuschMüller 4DToplight Senso battery rear light:* See 
   www.peterwhitecycles.com/taillights-bat.asp*, *bought with the Cosmo and 
   currently installed on it, no box, $34 from Peter White.  *$18 with 
   Cosmo, $23 alone*
   5. *Used Madden Buzzard (rear) + Baby Buzzard (front) full pannier set:* 
   High quality bags sewn in boulder, CO, used but not much, slight sun fade 
   in spots, but otherwise excellent, no tears, abrasion, etc.., color is 
   black  teal (green w/ hint of blue). Can get photos if interested. *Buzzard 
   rears = $85, Baby Buzzard fronts = $70, full set = $145*

Cheers and safe riding!


-Jack 


Raleigh, NC

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[RBW] Re: A short ride in the westside bosque

2015-06-27 Thread David Person
I never thought wool would work in the heat, but I have several Minus33 
light weight T's (Algonquin) that are truly amazing.  Very comfortable, 
even in the heat and just hang them up for a few hours and you wouldn't 
know they've been worn.  Only need washing when they get salt stains from 
the sweat.

On Wednesday, June 24, 2015 at 3:28:35 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:

 Pretty and fun despite the heat. Our almost-record-breaking spring rains 
 have largely erased our drought (severe) and caused the local flora to 
 burgeon to a degree we haven't seen for years. Acequia paths are now 
 constricted by weeds, and the laggardly trumpet vine that provides some 
 green relief to my xeriscaped back yard is burgeoning, bringing in 
 bumblebees and hummingbirds.

 92*F (it has climbed to 100*F as I type), humidity high in the 20s; the 
 trails and access roads are starting to dry up and dissolve into fine sand. 
 Odd morning easterly winds, becoming the usual S, SW, and Westerlies. 

 At 92*F, the Rivendell Woolywarm ss jersey is as comfortable as any 
 plastic jersey or rayon Hawaiian shirt -- and I've worn it for some 12 
 hours at least over the past 2-3 days, riding and typing. And it don't 
 stink!

 Cottonwood fluff season; River and ditches full. Photos attached.

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[RBW] WTB: Rivendell Redwood

2015-06-27 Thread Aakash Desai
Just in case the 63cm Canti-rom I just bought does not fit, I'm on the 
lookout for a Redwood. 

Let me know if you have one you'd like to part with. 

Thank you!

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[RBW] Wanted: Rivendell Redwood

2015-06-27 Thread Aakash Desai
I recently bought the 63cm Canti-Rom Luke had for sale. It's not even here 
yet but I'm already considering a Redwood. 

Depending on how the Canti-Rom fits (hopefully it does), I might need to 
sling my long legs over a Redwood instead. Plus, I like the green. 

If you have one, and are looking to part with it, please let me know. 

Thanks!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Tire trouble puzzlement

2015-06-27 Thread 'peech1...@yahoo.com' via RBW Owners Bunch
This series of posts had prompted me to consider the hop in a pair of 
wheels (650B Velocity Synergy rims with Nifty Swifty tires).  After 
reapplying the tires, adding extra rim tape, teflon lubricating around the 
bead, etc I could not get the hop out of that rotating wheel.  Applied a 
new pair of tires, (Hutchinson) that I had in reserve the hop magically 
disappeared.  Go figure.  Tim Petersen

On Wednesday, June 24, 2015 at 6:29:45 PM UTC-5, Michael Hechmer wrote:

 After many hours of effort I'm not sure I'm closer to solving this 
 problem.  And I'm no longer sure it's 100% a rim problem.

 A careful examination of the new pari-moto front tire on my Trek revealed 
 that the colored line that I was advised to keep constant around the rim 
 was itself not a constant distance from the bead.  At a point about 90 
 degrees from the label, near the inflation label, it dived to near zero. 
  After a couple of tries at centering it and retesting  (I live 3 miles 
 from pavement so this was a bit arduous and time consuming) I identified a 
 tiny ridge running parallel to the bead and also that this ridge was level 
 with the rim on the two wheels that seem to be working OK.  I took a pen 
 and inked a line at the top of that ridge, then I mounted the tire by first 
 exposing the ink line and then pushing it slightly in.The second try of 
 this quieted the tire about 80 - 90 %, which was enough to allow me to 
 perceive the thumping  in the rear tire. I then ran a test on two bikes 
 with all but one of the permutations of wheels of wheels  bikes. (I 
 couldn't put the Saluki rear wheel with  a 135mm Deore onto the Treks 130 
 mm drop outs but I could convert the 130 mm White to 135 and put them on 
 the Saluki).  At the end of this I realized three things.  Both the front 
 and rear tires on the Deore/Synergy rims were basically Ok; both front and 
 rear on the White/Synergy rims were misaligned; the rear tire on the 
 White/Synergy wheel also showed a half inch slice in the side wall, right 
 at the rim.

 I think the next up is replacing the rim tape on the White/Synergy wheels 
 with HB tape, if I fin I have enough and it will fit.  I am also 
 considering replacing the pari-motos on the Saluki (even though they are 
 fine) with Compass 41 mm tires and then replacing the worn rear tire on the 
 Trek  keeping the other as a spare.

 Up till this I have really liked the pari-motos.  Living out in the 
 country I don't encounter a lot of debris, just a lot of rough roads and 
 these tires have been great for me.

 Michael

 On Thursday, June 18, 2015 at 4:59:32 PM UTC-4, Michael Hechmer wrote:

 Thank you.  We are heading out tomorrow for three days of the Saranac 
 Tandem Rally, so this problem will wait at least till Monday.  Thanks for 
 the lead to Jan's blog.  He wrote: *Do not ride a poorly seated tire! *The 
 tire could come off the rim and cause a crash.

 I'm glad my survival instincts kicked in.  When I'm going downhill at 
 35mph I want everything to be perfect, so as soon as this happened I turned 
 around and headed home.

 Michael.

 On Thursday, June 18, 2015 at 4:14:45 PM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote:

 On 06/18/2015 03:17 PM, Kieran J wrote: 
  I've been having a dickens of a time trying to get Hetres to mount 
  round and true on an A23 tubeless-ready rim (with a tube). My next try 
  was going to be on a Synergy wheel I have, but it sounds like this 
  type of behaviour happens on those as well. 
  
  Is the lumpy supple tire syndrome something that people just deal with 
  and/or have simply accepted that soapy water, 10 minutes of massaging 
  and adjusting, etc. are what's needed to put a tire on? 
  
  


 It's the rims, not the tires. 




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[RBW] Nitto dirt drop length questiom

2015-06-27 Thread Geeter
I was thinking about getting Nittp Rm013 dirt drops for my Commuter/SS cross 
bike.  They come in very wide widths for drop bars at 46, 48, and 52 cm.  I 
normally like a wide bar as I am a wide shouldered fella and would normally buy 
a 44cm road bar.  Any sizing help would be appreciated.

-Dave

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[RBW] FS: CL outing, ANT Roadster, mine

2015-06-27 Thread Joe Bernard
I love it, but I haven't ridden it as much as I thought I would and I need 
to pay some bills. The asking price is what I have into it, which I have no 
illusions of getting. Offers welcome, but no shipping unless you can find 
someone in the area to help with it. I have no way to transport it. 

Rivendell content? Umm..I bought a ShopSack and bungee net for it! Text 
415-786-4623 for better pics.

http://sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/bik/5089586449.html

Thanks,
Joe Bernard
bike is in Novato, CA.

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[RBW] Re: Bosco/Albatross Aluminum Vs Chromoly

2015-06-27 Thread Garth
  Yes . . . . some thoughts . . . . .  


To compare the Moustache bar and the Albas on equal terms you'd have to 
only use the same equal length of the grip on the Alba as on the Stache' .  
Since I use bar end brake lever and thumbshifters mounted on the inside top 
curve, I can do this and grip there frequently , especially climbing where 
pulling on the bars happens .  I notice no flex at all on my steel 56cm 
Alba bar there, nor at the ends for that matter .  I'm sure some fancy 
testing or someone more persnickety than I would notice, but for real world 
use I notice none.  And if there was . . . . so what ?  It's not like the 
bar is going to bend over on itself or something . . . . lol.   And on top 
of that  . . .  what about stem flex then ?   Some say stems flex too .  So 
if this is the case how do you know if it's the bar or the stem ?  Then 
again  . . . frames flex too  .  . . .so here we go again  , another flex 
in the equation !   Ahahaha !

Notice   . . .  . all this thinking never really ends  .  . . that is 
until one reaches Perfection. which is what we all seek in every way , 
conscious or not . 

Perfection contains all wonderful qualities . . .  . like freedom without 
constraint .  . . .  knowing without learning .  . .  .  joy without 
sadness or cause or reason !  Just Joy ! !  !   

We can never find Perfection by looking  . . . .  because it is ever 
Present , hidden in plain sight if you will .  The Heart of All that Is 
All :)  

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Re: [RBW] Re: Anne on the Great Divide

2015-06-27 Thread Patrick Moore
FWIW:

https://gypsybytrade.wordpress.com/

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[RBW] Children's Bike Advice - OT

2015-06-27 Thread Michael Hechmer
I have always functioned as the family bike guru, but now my 4 1/2 year old 
grandson needs a bike and I am out of my league.  I do know that the bike 
his parents bought - a 12 wheel model - is too small.  They thought being 
close to the ground was safer but he can't extend his leg enough.  I think 
he will feel safe when he develops a sense of balance.  I also think 
training wheels should be skipped or limited to a month or so.  If I were 
buying I would put him on the smallest 20 wheel bike I could fit him on 
and spend a lot of time in the traditional run behind mode.

No doubt some of you have taught a child to ride since I have - 35 years 
ago.  Any learned wisdom welcomed.

Michael  

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[RBW] Re: Mechanical disadvantage? Seeking joyful braking.

2015-06-27 Thread Johan Larsson


On Saturday, June 27, 2015 at 6:32:25 PM UTC+2, Bill Lindsay wrote:

 The lower the straddle cable, the more mechanical advantage - goes for 
 every cantilever brake you will come across. 

 True in the mathematical sense. Misleading in the practical sense. Wide, 
 low cantilevers like CR720s and M.A.F.A.C. and others don't change much at 
 all with straddle height. Run them high or run them low, they feel about 
 the same.



Well, I thought that I had already pointed that out, and didn't want to 
repeat my self: Wide profiles canti brakes have very low mechanical 
advantage, and it doesn't vary much regarding to (useful) yoke heights. 
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/5R-gKjhClH8/7G9a0SthaBgJ

This was a response to how the geometry worked, to avoid the stated 
confusion - in general yoke height has the largest effect on brake force 
and feel for cantilever brakes, and it's good to be aware of this simple 
rule.

Johan Larsson,
Sweden
 

 The place where straddle height would make a difference with CR720 is 
 where the straddle is inside the tirewhich causes other problems.  


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[RBW] Re: Stolen Rambouillet UPDATE!

2015-06-27 Thread Lungimsam
May we see some of that video?














On Monday, June 22, 2015 at 5:54:48 PM UTC-4, Mark Wilkins wrote:

 Just spotted my blue ram, stolen in December, locked to a rack in downtown 
 Harrisburg, PA. Waiting for police (1hr so far) 

 Can't believe it! 

 Sent from my iPhone

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[RBW] Re: Santa Monica mountain riding

2015-06-27 Thread dougP
Patrick:

Thanks to local land conservancies, the Santa Monica mountains are NOT 
filled in with housing tracts.  Lots of excellent trails  riding west of 
Sepulveda.  A wonderful source of information is Franko, as in:

http://frankosmaps.com/santa-monica-mountains-trail-map

Right now, there may be areas that are closed due to high fire hazard.  
There are also areas reserved for hiking only, but there is plenty of room 
as long as we respect one another's space.  Enjoy!

dougP

On Saturday, June 27, 2015 at 11:11:30 AM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:

 I was just talking to someone on the CR list about the area east roughly 
 of the Mulholland HW and Las Virgines road intersection, where 40 years ago 
 there were a number of winding, hilly, very well built canyon roads perfect 
 for energetic cycling. 

 Are any of y'all familiar with riding here? I suppose that in the last 40 
 years the entire landscape has been filled with tract housing.

 My college, Thomas Aquinas, now just outside of Santa Paul, at the time 
 ('73-'77) rented the ex-Claretian seminary occupying the lovely grounds of 
 the old Gillette mansion (I think it's now a state park). Across Las 
 Virgines was the old Fox Ranch (where I worked as a night watchman to keep 
 cows and vandals off the Swiss Fam Rob and Mash sets) and hit 70 mph on the 
 tiny, winding dirt tracks on Fox lot beaters at 3 am. (We destroyed many 
 vehicles that way -- great fun.)

 Anyway. There was a coterie of roadies who would share these canyon roads 
 (Cold Canyon? Liberty Canyon?) with the choppers on weekends; an ex student 
 from TAC got into trouble by taking a brakeless track bike up into those 
 hills.*

 I myself was then sans bike; I'd sold my 10 speed when returning to the 
 US, but I'd borrow bikes and ride the canyons -- great fun. I recall once 
 bombing down Mullholland Hwy on the other side of Las Virgines on the way 
 to the Woodland Hills shopping center, and being passed (after a long 
 pursuit) by a motor vehicle whose drive yelled, You hit 45!

 At the Woodland Hills shopping center, along the Ventura Fwy, there as a 
 bike shop that had a very early CF bike in the window.

 *Doug Gilles, whose family owned at the time a well known Santa Monica 
 bike shop -- Helen's? He was an ill fit at conservative Catholic TAC, with 
 shoulder length hair and Buddhist beliefs. One anecdote: the college, a 
 very small startup at the time, had its coterie of devotees of the more 
 marginal and exotic old fashioned Catholic cults. One Halloween Gilles went 
 around the dorm rooms dressed up as the Infant of Prague. He'd knock on 
 doors and say, Bless you my child and then hit the occupant on the head 
 with his scepter. Gilles was 6'3 and 300 lb at the time (he lost weight by 
 the time he had the track bike accident).



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[RBW] Re: Children's Bike Advice - OT

2015-06-27 Thread Deacon Patrick
Our biggest challenge to kid's learning to ride is terrain. There's nuttin' 
flat roun' here. It seems to add a few years to the learning curve.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Saturday, June 27, 2015 at 3:06:49 PM UTC-6, Michael Hechmer wrote:

 I have always functioned as the family bike guru, but now my 4 1/2 year 
 old grandson needs a bike and I am out of my league.  I do know that the 
 bike his parents bought - a 12 wheel model - is too small.  They thought 
 being close to the ground was safer but he can't extend his leg enough.  I 
 think he will feel safe when he develops a sense of balance.  I also think 
 training wheels should be skipped or limited to a month or so.  If I were 
 buying I would put him on the smallest 20 wheel bike I could fit him on 
 and spend a lot of time in the traditional run behind mode.

 No doubt some of you have taught a child to ride since I have - 35 years 
 ago.  Any learned wisdom welcomed.

 Michael  


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[RBW] Where you on River Road Thursday?

2015-06-27 Thread Lungimsam
Saw an orange Sam or Cheviot, not sure which. At least it looked like a 
Rivendell. Orange, looked like a Bronze colored headbadge.

I was on my Bleriot and didn't stop to chat, though I should have.
So if it was you let me know and let's do some Riv-riding!

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[RBW] Re: Blug on long chainstays

2015-06-27 Thread EGNolan
I had an '85 Trek 850 (Hugh now has it) w/ sper long chain stays. It 
was (is I'm sure) a great fun bike. I also ride a Yuba Mundo, which has 
extremely long stays. It's a necessity as I carry two children on the back, 
but I'm always amazed how the bike rides. We got in a good 40 miles today  
although it isn't fast, I can keep a decent pace on it. I'm all for longer 
stays as long as the bike handles well on the front end as well. 

Liesl: THAT CUSTOM IS AMAZING. I'd have picked a similar result if I were 
in your shoes. I love the way that bike looks.

Best,
Eric

On Saturday, June 27, 2015 at 5:25:42 PM UTC-4, Chris Lampe 2 wrote:

 It would be interesting to ride two bikes that are identical except for 
 maybe 8-10cm difference in chainstay length.  

 My Devil has forward facing dropouts and I can change the CS length from 
 about 43.5 to 45 and I can feel a difference.  I prefer the way the bike 
 rides at 45cm.  My Trek has 43cm CS and I prefer that bike over the Devil. 
  I think the difference is front-end geometry.  I prefer MTB geometry and 
 the Devil has road bike geometry.  The steering is too quick and twitchy 
 for my tastes and the longer chainstay setting provides some sense of 
 stability, that is reassuring to me.  The Trek has MTB geometry and the 
 front-end feels fine to me and I think the shorter back-end makes for a 
 more agile and sporty ride, which I like.   I'm going to say tentatively 
 that I prefer shorter chainstays but I would still love to do the 
 experiment I mentioned at the first of this post.  It would be very 
 enlightening.  



 On Thursday, June 25, 2015 at 2:26:56 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:

 Interesting post. I heard tell that Jobst would tell the builder, Don't 
 cut anything off of the stays. At any rate, I *tend* to agree with 
 Grant (don't know enough about frames to say with certainty), but my own 
 experience, such as it is, makes me so tend.

 My 2 Riv Road customs have 44.5 cm stays -- measured to center of 
 horizontals -- actually, I think Chauncey has added another cm or so to the 
 rear: he's waiting for dropouts from England. At any rate, this is the same 
 length as the massively long stays on the Fargo (where I can run 50s actual 
 with PB 60s and an inch of air in between, all 'round). 

 The point, and it's one Grant seems to have missed, is that *long stays 
 do not -- *repeat, *DO NOT* -- *compromise quick handling.* I must 
 clarify. My 2 Rivs turn in noticeably faster than did the Ram (that's one 
 reason I sold the Ram, tho' the Ram was pleasant; just slightly slower that 
 I wanted in a road bike). The customs, while being almost as stable as the 
 Ram in the straight (almost: I think the heavier, larger wheels of the 
 Ram affect things), they turn in with exquisite compliance: no hesitation 
 at all, while not at all being twitchy. Quick but seamless.

 I'm sure that the short and light wheels affect this too, but on these 2 
 bikes Grant managed to capture what, for me at least, is a kind of ideal 
 mix of steadiness and quickness -- and, back to the point: this is done 
 despite what, by modern standards, are hugely long stays. (The Roadeo has 
 43 cm stays, IIRC.)

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[RBW] Re: Children's Bike Advice - OT

2015-06-27 Thread Deacon Patrick
As a general rule, we buy bikes too big and let them grow into them. At 
4.5, a balance bike may not be amiss, or just remove the pedals of the bike 
he gets for a while. Sheldon Brown's recommendation to put a hand on their 
upper back, between the shoulder blades as they are learning to balance and 
pedal is excellent. Do NOT use the seat or grab on to give them balance 
as that is counter productive. Better fall when going slow and learn 
balance. Most important, of course, be sure they have fun, even with all 
the fear that comes from an expanding world! Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] stem for albastache help

2015-06-27 Thread drew
ok. going to take the albastache plunge. what has been working well for me 
(though slightly less aggressive and comfortable climbing) are albatross 
bars with a 11cm tallux set at about saddle height.  wondering what sort of 
stem i should pair with the albastache that will give a similar height and 
reach. dirt drop seems like the choice, but im not sure about the length. 
 then again ive seen people use these with short traditional stems too.  is 
there math that can be done,  or is this more of a try it and see 
situation? 

THANKS

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[RBW] Re: Blug on long chainstays

2015-06-27 Thread 'Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch
It would be interesting to ride two bikes that are identical except for 
maybe 8-10cm difference in chainstay length.  

My Devil has forward facing dropouts and I can change the CS length from 
about 43.5 to 45 and I can feel a difference.  I prefer the way the bike 
rides at 45cm.  My Trek has 43cm CS and I prefer that bike over the Devil. 
 I think the difference is front-end geometry.  I prefer MTB geometry and 
the Devil has road bike geometry.  The steering is too quick and twitchy 
for my tastes and the longer chainstay setting provides some sense of 
stability, that is reassuring to me.  The Trek has MTB geometry and the 
front-end feels fine to me and I think the shorter back-end makes for a 
more agile and sporty ride, which I like.   I'm going to say tentatively 
that I prefer shorter chainstays but I would still love to do the 
experiment I mentioned at the first of this post.  It would be very 
enlightening.  



On Thursday, June 25, 2015 at 2:26:56 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:

 Interesting post. I heard tell that Jobst would tell the builder, Don't 
 cut anything off of the stays. At any rate, I *tend* to agree with Grant 
 (don't know enough about frames to say with certainty), but my own 
 experience, such as it is, makes me so tend.

 My 2 Riv Road customs have 44.5 cm stays -- measured to center of 
 horizontals -- actually, I think Chauncey has added another cm or so to the 
 rear: he's waiting for dropouts from England. At any rate, this is the same 
 length as the massively long stays on the Fargo (where I can run 50s actual 
 with PB 60s and an inch of air in between, all 'round). 

 The point, and it's one Grant seems to have missed, is that *long stays 
 do not -- *repeat, *DO NOT* -- *compromise quick handling.* I must 
 clarify. My 2 Rivs turn in noticeably faster than did the Ram (that's one 
 reason I sold the Ram, tho' the Ram was pleasant; just slightly slower that 
 I wanted in a road bike). The customs, while being almost as stable as the 
 Ram in the straight (almost: I think the heavier, larger wheels of the 
 Ram affect things), they turn in with exquisite compliance: no hesitation 
 at all, while not at all being twitchy. Quick but seamless.

 I'm sure that the short and light wheels affect this too, but on these 2 
 bikes Grant managed to capture what, for me at least, is a kind of ideal 
 mix of steadiness and quickness -- and, back to the point: this is done 
 despite what, by modern standards, are hugely long stays. (The Roadeo has 
 43 cm stays, IIRC.)

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[RBW] Nitto dirt drop length questiom

2015-06-27 Thread Philip Kim
I ride 44 road bars. I ordered 46 from benscycle and they were pretty narrow. I 
exchanged for a 48 and they fit more like 44 road bars.

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[RBW] Nitto dirt drop length questiom

2015-06-27 Thread Philip Kim
I ride 44 road bars. I ordered 46 from benscycle and they were pretty narrow. I 
exchanged for a 48 and they fit more like 44 road bars.

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[RBW] Re: Children's Bike Advice - OT

2015-06-27 Thread WETH
With my youngest, we skipped training wheels.  I had him on one of those razer 
scooters for a month to work on balance. (If I had known about the balance 
bikes, I would have used one.). Once he learned to balance on the scooter, it 
was an easy and intuitive transfer to a bike.  

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[RBW] Re: Children's Bike Advice - OT

2015-06-27 Thread Edwin W
A couple of things I have learned with 3 kids. 
1. Let them choose as much as possible. If you can, show him a balance bike and 
a 16 bike (most 4.5 year olds would be too small for a 20) and see which he 
chooses. 
2. Skip training wheels all together. They don't help and can slow things down. 
3. When actually teaching, watch the video for teaching how to ride a bike 
without pain. It goes through the motion of teaching without pedals. 
4. Keep it simple. No gears as long as he can stand it. 
5. If you can treat him (afford it) those isla bikes look so good: light 
(DOES make a difference to little kids if not us) small components like brake 
levers, sensible geometry, etc.  
6. Like Patrick said, hand on the back (or neck, you automatically keep it 
light) and not on the bike. 

Good luck!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Quickie Velogical Review

2015-06-27 Thread Mike Shaljian
It does make sense if you are running more than one wheelset. My Jones can't 
use a dynohub so I didn't have a choice, but it's pretty sweet not having to 
invest in two dynohubs to run mountain and slick tires. There's also a 
not-insignificant weight savings to using a 70g bottle dynamo versus heavier 
dynohub options. 

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[RBW] Re: Children's Bike Advice - OT

2015-06-27 Thread EGNolan
Balance bikes are A-MAZ-ING. My son (now 6.5) learned on training wheels  
was off by 3.5 yrs. My daughter (4) is much shorter than him at her age, 
rode a glance bike since turning 2. She did training wheels for 1/2 a week, 
but moved on to a regular bike quickly this Spring. She was much more 
confident, had fewer accidents  was waaay faster on the balance bike than 
my son on the training wheels. I'd use a 16 or 20 bike, take the cranks 
off if necessary and let him learn the blanace before worrying about 
pedaling. Riv content: Grant had an article in an old RivReader about this 
very subject. If I'd had the money when my son was younger, I'd have 
skipped training wheels with him too...

Best,
Eric 

On Saturday, June 27, 2015 at 5:06:49 PM UTC-4, Michael Hechmer wrote:

 I have always functioned as the family bike guru, but now my 4 1/2 year 
 old grandson needs a bike and I am out of my league.  I do know that the 
 bike his parents bought - a 12 wheel model - is too small.  They thought 
 being close to the ground was safer but he can't extend his leg enough.  I 
 think he will feel safe when he develops a sense of balance.  I also think 
 training wheels should be skipped or limited to a month or so.  If I were 
 buying I would put him on the smallest 20 wheel bike I could fit him on 
 and spend a lot of time in the traditional run behind mode.

 No doubt some of you have taught a child to ride since I have - 35 years 
 ago.  Any learned wisdom welcomed.

 Michael  


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[RBW] Re: Children's Bike Advice - OT

2015-06-27 Thread WETH
Of course it should be razor scooter: 
http://www.walmart.com/ip/10929195?wmlspartner=wlpaselectedSellerId=0adid=22736594wl0=wl1=gwl2=twl3=40334668712wl4=wl5=plawl6=56954005865veh=sem

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[RBW] FS 58cm SimpleOne

2015-06-27 Thread John
I've decided to sell my SimpleOne - it's just too similar to my Ram.  I've 
got it listed on Huntsville (AL) Craigslist here:

http://huntsville.craigslist.org/bik/5095968195.html

I'd prefer to sell local, but am willing to travel part way to meet a buyer 
in Chattanooga, Nashville, Birmingham, or Atlanta.

If I have to ship, I'll just let my LBS take care of it.

Contact me off-group if you have any questions or need more info.

John

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[RBW] stem for albastache help

2015-06-27 Thread Joe Bernard
I don't know about the new Albastache, but the old Moustache Handlebars 
generally require a 3cm shorter stem than your normal road bar length. For me 
this works out to 12 or 13 for Albatross, 10 for road, 7 for Moustache. 
According to this theory of the original design I think you'd be good with a 
DirtDrop, assuming the Albastache reach isn't drastically different. 

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[RBW] Mark's/M18 failures?

2015-06-27 Thread Pondero
My Mark's rack has had continuous use with light loads (tool rolls and/or 
sleeping bag) for about 7-8 years.  It has been solid with zero maintenance or 
issues.  I ought to get another.

Chris Johnson
Sanger, Texas

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Re: [RBW] Son Edelux II connection with SV-8 Dynamo hub

2015-06-27 Thread Eric Norris
P.S. I checked with Shutter Precision tech support when I was tracking down a 
wiring issue, and they confirmed that the hub generates AC power. That means 
there is not hot or ground terminal,  and it doesn't matter how you connect 
the wires.

Eric N
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 On Jun 27, 2015, at 7:50 PM, David davidboydle...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Oh man, I seemed to have botched my hasty attempt at connecting my new Edelux 
 light to my new SV-8 hub... both obtained from RBW a few weeks back.  I'm 
 hoping someone here on the group can advise.  What I did right off the bat 
 was clip off the two plugs that were pre-installed on the ends of the Edelux 
 wire.  I did that because the Edelux end plugs did not appear compatible with 
 the the connector cap and cover that ultimately fits over the connection 
 terminal of the SV-8.  So now I have a single end of wire all frayed that 
 really doesn't want to stay in the SV-8 connection terminal all that well.  
 It the attached image, you see the connector cap and cover fitted onto the 
 terminal, which snaps on and off.
 
 Anyone here have the same set-up, or any advice otherwise?  Thanks for your 
 time.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Stolen Rambouillet UPDATE!

2015-06-27 Thread Mark Wilkins
Funny, I was so excited to get the bike, I never went back and watched the 
videos. 

I've uploaded two to Vimeo. The first is sideways, sorry. The second ends 
spectacularly, with me waving my arms (and the phone) to get the attention of 
the police. 

https://vimeo.com/131997459

https://vimeo.com/131997589

Sent from my iPhone

 On Jun 27, 2015, at 22:17, Lungimsam john11.2...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 May we see some of that video?
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 On Monday, June 22, 2015 at 5:54:48 PM UTC-4, Mark Wilkins wrote:
 Just spotted my blue ram, stolen in December, locked to a rack in downtown 
 Harrisburg, PA. Waiting for police (1hr so far) 
 
 Can't believe it! 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
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[RBW] Recommend R559 pads please

2015-06-27 Thread Lungimsam
The standard black ones are bad in the wet.
I found the red Yokozunas better, but not tons better. After sitting unridden 
for two weeks, they are now operating less effectively in the dry. Maybe they 
need a filing. Maybe the rims got dusty?

I guess Koolstops are the next stop?

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Re: [RBW] Son Edelux II connection with SV-8 Dynamo hub

2015-06-27 Thread Lee Chae
Hi David,

This is a pretty easy fix. Just tin the wires using solder and a soldering
iron a la:

http://www.instructables.com/id/Strip-and-Tin-Wires-Like-a-Pro/?ALLSTEPS

Everything will be neat and tidy and easy to work with. You can get your
solder and iron from any Radio Shack. If you get the right kind of solder
and flux, you can tin your brake and derailleur cables, too.

Lee
SF, CA



On Sat, Jun 27, 2015 at 7:50 PM, David davidboydle...@gmail.com wrote:


 https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-r0OaPFwBHKg/VY9gJxxt3CI/AaI/ny2K9ma7wyc/s1600/IMG-20150627-00071.jpg
 Oh man, I seemed to have botched my hasty attempt at connecting my new
 Edelux light to my new SV-8 hub... both obtained from RBW a few weeks
 back.  I'm hoping someone here on the group can advise.  What I did right
 off the bat was clip off the two plugs that were pre-installed on the ends
 of the Edelux wire.  I did that because the Edelux end plugs did not appear
 compatible with the the connector cap and cover that ultimately fits over
 the connection terminal of the SV-8.  So now I have a single end of wire
 all frayed that really doesn't want to stay in the SV-8 connection terminal
 all that well.  It the attached image, you see the connector cap and cover
 fitted onto the terminal, which snaps on and off.

 Anyone here have the same set-up, or any advice otherwise?  Thanks for
 your time.

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[RBW] Son Edelux II connection with SV-8 Dynamo hub

2015-06-27 Thread David


https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-r0OaPFwBHKg/VY9gJxxt3CI/AaI/ny2K9ma7wyc/s1600/IMG-20150627-00071.jpg
Oh man, I seemed to have botched my hasty attempt at connecting my new 
Edelux light to my new SV-8 hub... both obtained from RBW a few weeks back. 
 I'm hoping someone here on the group can advise.  What I did right off the 
bat was clip off the two plugs that were pre-installed on the ends of the 
Edelux wire.  I did that because the Edelux end plugs did not appear 
compatible with the the connector cap and cover that ultimately fits over 
the connection terminal of the SV-8.  So now I have a single end of wire 
all frayed that really doesn't want to stay in the SV-8 connection terminal 
all that well.  It the attached image, you see the connector cap and cover 
fitted onto the terminal, which snaps on and off.

Anyone here have the same set-up, or any advice otherwise?  Thanks for your 
time.

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[RBW] WTT 700c vintage Bstone rando frame

2015-06-27 Thread subfascia

I have this cool frame that I am looking for trades. 700x32c with fenders 
(easily), 700x38c without, (probably 35mm tires with fenders but I didn't check 
that), low trail, threaded bosses all around for fenders, brazed on posts for 
weinmann/diacompe style centerpull brakes. All factory issue specs for this 
rare model. Celesteish green with beausage. 54.5x54.5ctc top and seat. 82cm 
standover with 32mm tires. I ride 52-54cm bikes and this bike is a french fit 
for me. 

Looking for: Nitto M18, black Berthoud race saddle, panniers

Email for pics or offers
Thanks
Jason
SF,CA

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Re: [RBW] Son Edelux II connection with SV-8 Dynamo hub

2015-06-27 Thread Eric Norris
The wire that goes into the connector needs to be long enough to bend around 
the inner piece, so it makes a U shape. Then you slide the outer part on. You 
shouldn't have any trouble with the wires once you've done this.

On one of my bikes, I tinned the wire ends with solder to make them a bit more 
rigid, but that's not really necessary. 

Eric N
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 On Jun 27, 2015, at 7:50 PM, David davidboydle...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Oh man, I seemed to have botched my hasty attempt at connecting my new Edelux 
 light to my new SV-8 hub... both obtained from RBW a few weeks back.  I'm 
 hoping someone here on the group can advise.  What I did right off the bat 
 was clip off the two plugs that were pre-installed on the ends of the Edelux 
 wire.  I did that because the Edelux end plugs did not appear compatible with 
 the the connector cap and cover that ultimately fits over the connection 
 terminal of the SV-8.  So now I have a single end of wire all frayed that 
 really doesn't want to stay in the SV-8 connection terminal all that well.  
 It the attached image, you see the connector cap and cover fitted onto the 
 terminal, which snaps on and off.
 
 Anyone here have the same set-up, or any advice otherwise?  Thanks for your 
 time.
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[RBW] Mark's/M18 failures?

2015-06-27 Thread Liesl
i've had a marks rack on and off the the back of my first generation saluki for 
many years. I find it stable and highly adjustable. It has supported a variety 
of loads carried in an old baggins hoss with Minnesota winter riding thrown in 
for good measure . Never any issues.

Perhaps of related interest, my nitto mini front rack has been on the front of 
the saluki since the original build by Riv. Mostly carrying a li'l loafer but 
sometimes a wald/shop sack combo. Same for the custom. Solid as a rock for me.

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[RBW] Re: stem for albastache help

2015-06-27 Thread Surlyprof
I had an 11 Tallux on my Albatross so Sean at Rivendell recommended the 8 
for the Albastache.  He was spot on.  It has worked out perfectly.

John

On Saturday, June 27, 2015 at 6:16:23 PM UTC-7, drew wrote:

 ok. going to take the albastache plunge. what has been working well for me 
 (though slightly less aggressive and comfortable climbing) are albatross 
 bars with a 11cm tallux set at about saddle height.  wondering what sort of 
 stem i should pair with the albastache that will give a similar height and 
 reach. dirt drop seems like the choice, but im not sure about the length. 
  then again ive seen people use these with short traditional stems too.  is 
 there math that can be done,  or is this more of a try it and see 
 situation? 

 THANKS


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[RBW] Re: Son Edelux II connection with SV-8 Dynamo hub

2015-06-27 Thread Anton Tutter
Ah, this is the issue with coaxial wire and those connectors designed for 
twin flat wire. It's possible, but you need to strip more outer insulation 
off of the coaxial wire than you do inner insulation. I.e., the braided 
ground wire insulation gets stripped back farther than the insulation of 
the hot wire (the wire in the center of the cable). Then you have to twist 
the braided ground wire into a smooth linear wire, and then place shrink 
tubing over it, except at the very end that gets inserted into the 
connector.  This way the braided wire resembles the inner wire (the hot 
wire). After that's done, place another, larger diameter piece of shrink 
tubing over the entire coaxial bundle.  It's hard to describe in words...

I can't see from your pic how much of the hot wire you have exposed...

Anton

On Saturday, June 27, 2015 at 10:50:54 PM UTC-4, David wrote:


 https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-r0OaPFwBHKg/VY9gJxxt3CI/AaI/ny2K9ma7wyc/s1600/IMG-20150627-00071.jpg
 Oh man, I seemed to have botched my hasty attempt at connecting my new 
 Edelux light to my new SV-8 hub... both obtained from RBW a few weeks back. 
  I'm hoping someone here on the group can advise.  What I did right off the 
 bat was clip off the two plugs that were pre-installed on the ends of the 
 Edelux wire.  I did that because the Edelux end plugs did not appear 
 compatible with the the connector cap and cover that ultimately fits over 
 the connection terminal of the SV-8.  So now I have a single end of wire 
 all frayed that really doesn't want to stay in the SV-8 connection terminal 
 all that well.  It the attached image, you see the connector cap and cover 
 fitted onto the terminal, which snaps on and off.

 Anyone here have the same set-up, or any advice otherwise?  Thanks for 
 your time.


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[RBW] Mark's/M18 failures?

2015-06-27 Thread Lungimsam
How has your Marks or M18 front rack held up over the years? Do the tang 
bolts loosen, or has everything stayed put for you?
.

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