[RBW] Re: FS: Craigslist, etc 2023

[Paul Clifton]

This apparently is in near me (northwest Arkansas) if anyone wants a proxy. 
Listed on Craigslist now: 
https://fayar.craigslist.org/bik/d/bentonville-rivendell-quickbeam-58cm/7657837282.html

Paul in AR


On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 11:52:45 PM UTC-5 Collin A wrote:

> PSA, 58 "Crusty" Quickbeam delux (paul, dynamo, etc.) not mine, nor my 
> size:
> https://crustbikes.com/a/shopicial/topics/173086
>
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[RBW] Re: FS: Nitto x Crust 1" Threadless stem

[Paul Clifton]

How much steer tube does this require above the headset?

I think it might work on my Boulder All Road.

Paul in AR

On Monday, June 19, 2023 at 1:39:13 PM UTC-5 Stephen wrote:

> Hey all,
>
> Got a stem I'm looking to pass along, maybe someone here could use it?
>
> NittoxCrust Fillet Brazed threadless 1" Steerer stem
> 60mm extension, 26.0 Clamp Diameter
>
> Asking for $100 + shipping (~$10) or local hand off in nyc.
> Original retail was $150, and i don't believe they make them anymore..
>
> Anyways, lovely stem, kind of specific use case. Always open to offers, 
> experience has taught me that this shorty will never work with my lanky 
> body.
>
> Thanks for lookin!
>
> [image: stem 4.jpg][image: stem 2.jpg][image: stem 1.jpg][image: stem 
> 3.jpg]
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[RBW] Re: Sail to the trail

[Paul Clifton]

A ferry ride to tour around the islands sounds like a great way to spend a 
few days. I'd love to do some camping up that way.

Paul

On Monday, June 12, 2023 at 5:33:40 PM UTC-5 brizbarn wrote:

> That sounds and looks like an awesome time!  I recently took a ferry to 
> Orcas Island in the San Jaun Islands of Washington.  Had my BMX and my Riv 
> (in van).  Mostly rode the skatepark out there with friends, but rode the 
> Riv around the campground too.  I'd like to go back and instead get on the 
> ferry with just my Riv (no van) and do some touring. 
>
> On Monday, June 12, 2023 at 6:27:25 AM UTC-7 Paul Clifton wrote:
>
>> I thought y'all might dig this overnighter I went on on Memorial Day 
>> weekend. We loaded the bikes on to my friends' sailboats and boated to the 
>> a cove along the Karst Loop at Hobbs State Park here in northwest Arkansas. 
>> We spent the afternoon anchored in the cove, swimming and hanging out. We 
>> cooked a feast for dinner on the grills on their boat and slept on the 
>> boats. Then in the morning, we rafted the boats to shore, rode the 7.5 mile 
>> IMBA epic trail, and eventually made our way back to the marina. It was a 
>> fantastic trip with some great folks. Highly recommend combining biking and 
>> boating if you get the chance.
>>
>> Paul in AR
>>
>> [image: 20230528_122416.jpg]
>> [image: 20230529_085456.jpg][image: 20230529_091729.jpg][image: 
>> 20230529_091745.jpg][image: 20230529_095831.jpg]
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Ron's Ortho Bars in stock at Crust

[Paul Clifton]

Oh, I misunderstood what Eric wrote.

On Monday, June 12, 2023 at 8:35:17 AM UTC-5 brok...@gmail.com wrote:

> I don’t think they put them up again on the site… unless I somehow missed 
> the restock notification email. If you’re looking at them now as out of 
> stock, it’s likely because they’ve long been unavailable on the site.
>
> On Jun 12, 2023, at 9:18 AM, Paul Clifton  wrote:
>
> welp, they didn't last very long ...
>
>
>
> On Sunday, June 11, 2023 at 3:19:25 PM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hey all, in a recent video (May 31, 2023) Ron mentioned that another 
>> shipment of Ortho Bars are currently on a boat heading for North America. 
>> So set that restock alert! 
>>
>>
>> https://crustbikes.com/collections/handlebars/products/rons-ortho-bar-for-whenever-it-shows-up
>>
>> On Saturday, January 22, 2022 at 7:04:47 PM UTC-5 Eric Marth wrote:
>>
>>> For anyone who missed it, Ron's email update included a bit on the 
>>> availability, quick sale and re-stock of the back bars: 
>>>
>>>
>>>- 
>>>
>>>That brings me to the mild outcry over the rapid sell through of 
>>>Uncle Ron’s Orthopedic Back bar.  There is a narrative swirling around 
>>> the 
>>>internet that we do this sorta thing on purpose —- if we were only that 
>>>smart.  This is a short story about a small business with medium 
>>>popularity.  
>>>
>>>I generally prototype new products in my barn.  In the case of these 
>>>handlebars, i used a nitto bosco as a blank and bent them to where i 
>>> liked 
>>>it best.  I call up Matt from Crust and convince him to make them — 
>>> where 
>>>he generally trusts me with baked in reluctance.  Adam Sklar digitally 
>>>draws them up for me —- and its off to the best handlebar factory in 
>>> Taiwan 
>>>who also happen to make Renthal’s motocross bars.  So these handlebars 
>>> are 
>>>gonna take a while to make.  In normal times, 3-6 months is normal …. as 
>>>things sit now, you are lucky to have a turn around under 18 months.  
>>>
>>>So there you are with a high performance geriatric handlebar design 
>>>wondering how many you should order based on what kind of demand there 
>>> will 
>>>be in 18 months… will we even be here??? Fuck! Okay, 90 sounds about 
>>> right. 
>>> 90 it was.  90 gone in an afternoon.  More than 90 on order now…. you 
>>>guessed it …. 18 months away.  Hope you still want them! 
>>>
>>> On Sunday, January 16, 2022 at 7:47:17 PM UTC-5 joseph...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Mine came in today, and let me just say, I wish I ordered two. They are 
>>>> fantastic!
>>>> On Friday, January 14, 2022 at 3:43:07 PM UTC-7 Andrew Huston wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> If anyone has buyers remorse, let me know and I'll take a set off your 
>>>>> hands. I lingered and lost.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tuesday, January 11, 2022 at 12:46:23 PM UTC-5 John Phillips wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Eric, thanks for the link to the interview. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That is a beautiful bike. From the side, this set up looks a lot like 
>>>>>> my Hunqapillar with Alba's. I'm hoping a Nitto NP stem will get the 
>>>>>> Ortho 
>>>>>> bars down low enough as my saddle is a lot closer to the frame than 
>>>>>> Uncle 
>>>>>> Ron's saddle is. If the bars slip in the NP stem slips, I may try a 4 
>>>>>> bolt 
>>>>>> Wendy stem.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> John
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Monday, January 10, 2022 at 11:46:17 AM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Because everything is better with pics – drive-side view as 
>>>>>>> described by John ;)  I love how beat to shit this bike is, the 
>>>>>>> mismatched 
>>>>>>> Paul brakes, the silver, the purple. Is the fork a replacement? The 
>>>>>>> article 
>>>>>>> says he's running a 38-20 double with an extra ring as bashguard. 
>>>>>>> Umm 
>>>>>>> that's groovy. 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There's a recent interview w. Ron on the Blue Lug site 
>>>>>>> <https://b

[RBW] Re: Ron's Ortho Bars in stock at Crust

[Paul Clifton]

welp, they didn't last very long ...

On Sunday, June 11, 2023 at 3:19:25 PM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hey all, in a recent video (May 31, 2023) Ron mentioned that another 
> shipment of Ortho Bars are currently on a boat heading for North America. 
> So set that restock alert! 
>
>
> https://crustbikes.com/collections/handlebars/products/rons-ortho-bar-for-whenever-it-shows-up
>
> On Saturday, January 22, 2022 at 7:04:47 PM UTC-5 Eric Marth wrote:
>
>> For anyone who missed it, Ron's email update included a bit on the 
>> availability, quick sale and re-stock of the back bars: 
>>
>>
>>- 
>>
>>That brings me to the mild outcry over the rapid sell through of 
>>Uncle Ron’s Orthopedic Back bar.  There is a narrative swirling around 
>> the 
>>internet that we do this sorta thing on purpose —- if we were only that 
>>smart.  This is a short story about a small business with medium 
>>popularity.  
>>
>>I generally prototype new products in my barn.  In the case of these 
>>handlebars, i used a nitto bosco as a blank and bent them to where i 
>> liked 
>>it best.  I call up Matt from Crust and convince him to make them — where 
>>he generally trusts me with baked in reluctance.  Adam Sklar digitally 
>>draws them up for me —- and its off to the best handlebar factory in 
>> Taiwan 
>>who also happen to make Renthal’s motocross bars.  So these handlebars 
>> are 
>>gonna take a while to make.  In normal times, 3-6 months is normal …. as 
>>things sit now, you are lucky to have a turn around under 18 months.  
>>
>>So there you are with a high performance geriatric handlebar design 
>>wondering how many you should order based on what kind of demand there 
>> will 
>>be in 18 months… will we even be here??? Fuck! Okay, 90 sounds about 
>> right. 
>> 90 it was.  90 gone in an afternoon.  More than 90 on order now…. you 
>>guessed it …. 18 months away.  Hope you still want them! 
>>
>> On Sunday, January 16, 2022 at 7:47:17 PM UTC-5 joseph...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Mine came in today, and let me just say, I wish I ordered two. They are 
>>> fantastic!
>>> On Friday, January 14, 2022 at 3:43:07 PM UTC-7 Andrew Huston wrote:
>>>
 If anyone has buyers remorse, let me know and I'll take a set off your 
 hands. I lingered and lost.

 On Tuesday, January 11, 2022 at 12:46:23 PM UTC-5 John Phillips wrote:

> Eric, thanks for the link to the interview. 
>
> That is a beautiful bike. From the side, this set up looks a lot like 
> my Hunqapillar with Alba's. I'm hoping a Nitto NP stem will get the Ortho 
> bars down low enough as my saddle is a lot closer to the frame than Uncle 
> Ron's saddle is. If the bars slip in the NP stem slips, I may try a 4 
> bolt 
> Wendy stem.
>
> John
>
> On Monday, January 10, 2022 at 11:46:17 AM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Because everything is better with pics – drive-side view as described 
>> by John ;)  I love how beat to shit this bike is, the mismatched Paul 
>> brakes, the silver, the purple. Is the fork a replacement? The article 
>> says 
>> he's running a 38-20 double with an extra ring as bashguard. Umm 
>> that's 
>> groovy. 
>>
>> There's a recent interview w. Ron on the Blue Lug site 
>> . He mentions 
>> there might be an aluminum bike like this in the early development 
>> stages 
>> with Crust. 
>>
>> [image: Ronnies-DURALCAN-S-Works-Stumpjumper-M2-4.jpg]
>>
>> On Monday, January 10, 2022 at 1:20:07 PM UTC-5 John Phillips wrote:
>>
>>> 69cm is just more than minimal width for my shoulders & wrists. But 
>>> I'm praying these bars aren't TOO flexy for me, and that pairing with a 
>>> long, low stem will give me some breathing room.
>>>
>>> In those Radavist photos, I noticed Uncle Ron has his stem down 
>>> below his saddle, and is gripping those bars at the inside end of those 
>>> grips.
>>>
>>> My intuition is telling me a bullmoose version of these bars with a 
>>> 170mm quill would fit my Hunqapillar better.
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>>

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[RBW] WTB: Child Stoker Kit for HubbuhHubbuh

[Paul Clifton]

I'd like to buy a used child stoker kit that fits the 1 1/4" seat tube of 
the HubbuhHubbuh. 

This Burley version looks like it would work, but I'd rather not pay 300 
bucks, and if anyone's kids have outgrown theirs, I'd love to give it a new 
home.
https://budgetbicyclectr.com/burley-tandem-child-stoker-conversion-kit-5368.html

Please reply off list if you have one, and feel free to reply on list if 
you have tips and tricks for using these things.

All the best,
Paul in AR

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Re: [RBW] Rivendell Legos!

[Paul Clifton]

Patrick,
They still offer plenty of options for buckets of misc bricks: 
https://www.lego.com/en-us/product/lego-medium-creative-brick-box-10696

I think it's a good balance. The theme sets are great for learning to 
follow instructions and developing different spatial thinking skills, and 
def get kids excited to build something from their favorite show or movie. 
The freestyle sets are great for creativity and exploration.

But yeah, millennials really go hard on nostalgia and will spend big bucks 
on kits that combine their favorite childhood pastime with their favorite 
childhood media.

Paul in AR

On Monday, March 6, 2023 at 3:43:13 PM UTC-6 Patrick Moore wrote:

> It has been 16+ years since I bought my daughter little kid/big size 
> Legos, but I seem to recall that back in the old days (he said bitterly) 
> that Legos were simply standard shapes out of which the child could build 
> whatever he or she imagined. I know that 25 years ago or so my then 
> elementary school age nephew and a couple of friends built a whole 
> civilization out of Legos that lasted several years -- I seem to recall it 
> was a mix of violent Viking barbarism and Roman jurisprudence, with its own 
> constitution and code of draconian laws. They had not heard of Boxen. Is it 
> all theme kits nowadays?
>
> On Mon, Mar 6, 2023 at 12:35 PM Joe Mullins  wrote:
>
>>
>> https://www.lego.com/en-us/product/the-lord-of-the-rings-rivendell-10316?icmp=HP-SHH-Standard-VIP_Hero_10316_LOTR_Rivendell_VIP_Live_HP-PR-VIP-YZ0GDAOVIG
>>
>> Someone has to build this! 
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Re: [RBW] Things I Feel Guilty About: Bike Life

[Paul Clifton]

Fantastic post, Leah. Learning to empathize with tiny humans has been one 
of the most eye opening parts of parenthood for me.

In the Google Groups editor, the little square icon with the "mountains" is 
how you add an inline image. The photo has to be small enough (in 
megabytes, not pixels) for Google Groups to accept it. Otherwise, nothing 
will happen and it won't tell you what's wrong. Here's an inline image with 
a red circle around the icon:
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Paul in AR

P.S. It's worth making sure the photo isn't real big in terms of pixels 
also, otherwise it'll bleed off the screen. And Google Groups will not let 
you copy/paste images into the text. You have to select the image file or 
drag and drop it into the screen that opens when you click the button. 
Either way, your method seems to work just fine, so it's all good.
On Saturday, March 4, 2023 at 9:32:02 AM UTC-6 Doug H. wrote:

> This is gold. Your boys will remember these times fondly,  not sure the 
> pup will/did but dogs don't like to be left out of anything so I bet he had 
> fun! Good stuff.
> Doug
>
> On Saturday, March 4, 2023 at 9:40:18 AM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> Ok, first up. 
>>
>> This is the inaugural ride of my Betty Foy. I was living in Southern 
>> California at the time and had arrived home with my new bike after picking 
>> it up at RBW HQ in late 2012. I decided to make us all ride our bikes to 
>> church that Sunday morning. Please note how tiny my littler boy is. I saw 
>> this photo and remembered how many times I insisted he was not pedaling 
>> hard enough when we were riding up the hills. For Pete’s sake, the kid was 
>> 3 years old and weighed like 30 pounds. I was certain he was not doing his 
>> part.
>> [image: image0.png]
>>
>> You’ll notice my older son, who was almost always smiling and never 
>> complaining, has this Haro bike. It was the best we could get because he 
>> was too small for most everything else. It was a BMX bike, and probably not 
>> well-suited to what we were doing. However, I’ll draw your attention to the 
>> next photo…
>>
>> [image: image1.png]
>>
>> Which is this one. Look at this atrocity. We are visiting my parents, and 
>> they have sweetly bought him this new bike from the best sporting goods 
>> store in town. Pacific was supposedly made by the Schwinn people, the only 
>> reputable bike company we knew of by name. If it said Schwinn, it must be 
>> quality. This said Pacific, which meant Schwinn, so it was clearly quality. 
>> We had no idea at the time how monstrously heavy this bike was. Look at my 
>> tiny boy, suffering with every pedal stroke. The bike was way too big for 
>> him (“He’ll make it work, it’s what I did as a kid,” said the helpful 
>> salesman) and it outweighed him, easily. Is it even put together correctly? 
>> Is the fork right? I don’t know, but my sunny child is clearly not enjoying 
>> himself here. I’m sure I told him he was being ungrateful after his 
>> grandparents bought him a brand new bike. And also, pedal harder. 
>>
>> Finally, these last two. I got my act together and ordered that Islabike 
>> you see in the far right, so at least my poor kids were better off. But 
>> what about our dog?! Here he is, stuffed unceremoniously into a Backabike 
>> bag. I knew it was a bad idea but I consoled myself by believing it was the 
>> dog’s fault. He was desperate to come along and was making quite a fuss. 
>> His riding basket was full of backpacks, so this was the only way. 
>>
>> [image: image2.jpeg]
>> Also, here is he again, all 15 pounds of him, with a heavy wooden 
>> skateboard laying across his back. I’m sure he felt every bump. I am also 
>> sure that I was feeling smug for figuring out how to carry all this stuff 
>> on my bike. 
>> [image: image3.png]
>>
>> I’m sure there are more of these regrettable photos, and when I find 
>> them, I’ll put them here. In the meantime, go ahead and post your guilty 
>> bike life memories/photos here. I could use the company. 
>>
>> Leah
>>
>> On Mar 4, 2023, at 9:23 AM, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!  
>> wrote:
>>
>> I was looking through an old photo album of my bikes. My boys were tiny, 
>> my dog was young, and my Betty Foy was sparkly and new. But you look at 
>> things through different eyes over the years, and today, I came across a 
>> couple of regrettable old photos that made me want to cry and then laugh, 
>> simultaneously. It was 2013. I was obviously the most excited person in my 
>> family about biking. I had just gotten that Betty Foy and thus I could do 
>> just about anything. I invented all sorts of adventures for us - fun things 
>> but we had to get there by bike. I dragged my two tiny boys along, 
>> regardless of their sub-standard bikes. Even the dog was not spared. Surely 
>> this must be List-appropriate? There will be lots of photos of a Betty Foy, 
>> and that very bike was the source of all the “adventures” I inflicted on my 
>> tiny 

[RBW] Re: Bike rack suggestions

[Paul Clifton]

Page 4 of the PDF instructions show the preferred arm location. It's like 
basically as long as you can get it up to about 7 o'clock, you should be 
good:
https://rockymounts.com/content/51339_REV_5_sml.pdf

I didn't see any reviews or video instructions. must be niche product :)

I may spring for one of these next time I need another rack, which may be 
never, but it'd really encourage me to put fenders back on some of my bikes.

Paul

On Saturday, February 25, 2023 at 1:55:02 PM UTC-6 Paul Clifton wrote:

> yeah, John, I had the same thought. I might do a search on youtube or 
> something for a review that shows it actually working.
>
> Paul
>
>
>
> On Saturday, February 25, 2023 at 11:46:20 AM UTC-6 John Bokman wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the recommendation Paul. I'm wondering if the front arm can be 
>> rotated forward a bit? My fenders are longer in front than the ones shone 
>> on the Ebike.
>>
>> John
>> On Saturday, February 25, 2023 at 6:44:35 AM UTC-8 Paul Clifton wrote:
>>
>>> I've stayed out of this thread because the Yakima roof rack I use has 
>>> already been mentioned (the one that clamps the downtube) and my 
>>> Rockymounts rack isn't ideal for fenders, but I just went to Rockymounts 
>>> site and they have a rack specifically for fenders: 
>>> https://rockymounts.com/
>>>
>>> I looks like they have a hitch mount version: 
>>> https://rockymounts.com/products/highnoon-fc-solo-fits-both-1-25-2.html
>>> I guess it adds a backstop behind the front wheel, so the arm can grab 
>>> the front of the front wheel and squeeze it against the backstop. Pretty 
>>> smart design IMO. 
>>>
>>> And it looks like maybe there's a roof rack version launching in a 
>>> couple days. Here's a screenshot I grabbed:
>>> [image: Screenshot 2023-02-25 084056.png]
>>>
>>> FWIW, I'm really happy with the quality and stability of my Rockymounts 
>>> rack. It's this roof rack that works with really fat tires: 
>>> https://rockymounts.com/products/tomahawk.html. I think the price has 
>>> gone up, but when I was shopping I thought it seemed like the best 
>>> price/quality option, and it has definitely been great.
>>>
>>> I understand why people don't want to clamp the downtubes of their 
>>> bikes, but as far as functionally holding a bike with fenders, the old 
>>> Yakima Raptors work really really well if you can find one. Buying used is 
>>> a reasonable proposition. These things dont wear out: 
>>> https://www.pinkbike.com/buysell/1915462/
>>>
>>> So, just throwing that rockymounts option into the mix :)
>>>
>>> Paul in AR
>>>
>>> On Sunday, February 19, 2023 at 11:24:08 PM UTC-6 Pam Bikes wrote:
>>>
>>>> Looking for recommendations for a bike rack for a Prius for my fendered 
>>>> Betty.  Lots of tray mount racks seem to not be made for fenders.  And the 
>>>> hanging style would need a bar since my Betty is a step through.  This 
>>>> isn't for my car.  I don't like to drive.  Thanks in advance.
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Bike rack suggestions

[Paul Clifton]

yeah, John, I had the same thought. I might do a search on youtube or 
something for a review that shows it actually working.

Paul



On Saturday, February 25, 2023 at 11:46:20 AM UTC-6 John Bokman wrote:

> Thanks for the recommendation Paul. I'm wondering if the front arm can be 
> rotated forward a bit? My fenders are longer in front than the ones shone 
> on the Ebike.
>
> John
> On Saturday, February 25, 2023 at 6:44:35 AM UTC-8 Paul Clifton wrote:
>
>> I've stayed out of this thread because the Yakima roof rack I use has 
>> already been mentioned (the one that clamps the downtube) and my 
>> Rockymounts rack isn't ideal for fenders, but I just went to Rockymounts 
>> site and they have a rack specifically for fenders: 
>> https://rockymounts.com/
>>
>> I looks like they have a hitch mount version: 
>> https://rockymounts.com/products/highnoon-fc-solo-fits-both-1-25-2.html
>> I guess it adds a backstop behind the front wheel, so the arm can grab 
>> the front of the front wheel and squeeze it against the backstop. Pretty 
>> smart design IMO. 
>>
>> And it looks like maybe there's a roof rack version launching in a couple 
>> days. Here's a screenshot I grabbed:
>> [image: Screenshot 2023-02-25 084056.png]
>>
>> FWIW, I'm really happy with the quality and stability of my Rockymounts 
>> rack. It's this roof rack that works with really fat tires: 
>> https://rockymounts.com/products/tomahawk.html. I think the price has 
>> gone up, but when I was shopping I thought it seemed like the best 
>> price/quality option, and it has definitely been great.
>>
>> I understand why people don't want to clamp the downtubes of their bikes, 
>> but as far as functionally holding a bike with fenders, the old Yakima 
>> Raptors work really really well if you can find one. Buying used is a 
>> reasonable proposition. These things dont wear out: 
>> https://www.pinkbike.com/buysell/1915462/
>>
>> So, just throwing that rockymounts option into the mix :)
>>
>> Paul in AR
>>
>> On Sunday, February 19, 2023 at 11:24:08 PM UTC-6 Pam Bikes wrote:
>>
>>> Looking for recommendations for a bike rack for a Prius for my fendered 
>>> Betty.  Lots of tray mount racks seem to not be made for fenders.  And the 
>>> hanging style would need a bar since my Betty is a step through.  This 
>>> isn't for my car.  I don't like to drive.  Thanks in advance.
>>
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[RBW] Re: Nice Rivendell, Goodrich and Sevens for Sale

[Paul Clifton]

I think you're right about your assumptions.
Would you mind letting the list know what size they are when you find out?

Paul in AR

On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 11:42:52 AM UTC-6 mmille...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hey all. A local STL fellow just posted some bikes 
>  
> for sale locally. I just talked with him and am going to go look at them. 
> There are a couple frames I'm not familiar with. Since this is where all 
> the experts are, is there anything I should be looking for? I assume the 
> grey AHH and the brown Ram are custom paint jobs. Is the orange one likely 
> custom or an early Riv? And thoughts on the Goodrich? They all look to be 
> fairly similar builds, and I'm wondering if nothing differentiates when I 
> ride them, if I should consider anything else before buying (assuming the 
> boss OKs it. Ha). I do see the brakes are different on the AHH models. 
> Thanks, everyone.

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[RBW] Re: First Ride of 2023

[Paul Clifton]

Thanks for sharing y'all. I love all the different conditions and distances 
and reasons for riding. It's all very Rivish to me.

Paul

On Tuesday, January 3, 2023 at 6:06:17 PM UTC-5 Paul in Dallas wrote:

>
>
> Was able to start off the year with 31 miles on my Sam Hillsborne in low 
> 70 degree temperatures.
>
> Paul in Dallas
>
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[RBW] Re: FACEBOOK Rivendell Bicycles Buy/Sell/Trade ALERT ! - Pre-Production Rivendell Road. Size 54.5 cm (C-T)

[Paul Clifton]

Freaking gorgeous! I'd love to see some higher res close ups of that bike. 
Thanks for sharing.

Paul in AR

On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 8:50:46 PM UTC-6 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:

> https://www.facebook.com/groups/3127504017358010/?mibextid=6NoCDW
> by *Bruce Herbitter* 
>
> Update: someone is interested in the complete bike so it is on hold 
> pending final details. I’ll delete the post if it sells or renew this post 
> if the sale doesn’t go all the way through. Thanks all 
> 1995 pre production sample for the Rivendell Road. Size 54.5 cm (C-T) 
> Frame is Reynolds 753, fork blades are Reynolds 531. Converted to 650B. My 
> garage is too crowded and this bike doesn’t get the miles it used to the 
> older I get. Made by Waterford. Paint looks good from a few feet away but 
> has beausage. Maybe 7.5 out of 10?
> Nitto 135 handlebar, Nitto tall Technomic stem, Tektro R556 long reach 
> brakes, Suntour brake levers, Silver ratchet shift levers, Campy Victory FD
> Shimano Ultegra long cage RD, Campy Veloce 50/34 x 170 crankset
> Selle Anatomica X2 saddle. Wheels are 32s cross 3 laced Velocity A23 with 
> butted spokes on Shimano 105 rear and Deore LX front hubs. Tires are Pari 
> Moto. Chris King stainless cages. Pump, pedals, bell, and Banjo Bros bags 
> included. 
> $1,600 complete as shown + shipping at cost (or free pick up near 
> Montgomery AL) or $800 Frameset only, same shipping deal. Message me to 
> discuss, ask questions, etc.
> 23
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Re: [RBW] Rosco Mtn Mixte?

[Paul Clifton]

Brian, FWIW (not much, especially since this thread is about the Massive 
Mountain Mixte) - but I think there were teens of the mediums made. They 
ended up doing two runs of them, and one of them was at least 10 bikes. So 
they're less scarce, but only slightly. The mediums used Appaloosa forks.

Paul in AR

On Saturday, December 17, 2022 at 8:46:54 PM UTC-6 Coal Bee Rye Anne wrote:

> Thanks, Leah, for the heads up for the long legged of us who happen to be 
> non-facebook-users!  That is certainly Will’s Mega Roscoe MTN Mixte and I 
> think made in the single digits (I guess all sizes of the Roscoe Mixte were 
> down in single digits but can’t remember.). This size MTN Mixte was based 
> on forks for designed but never built 64 or maybe 66cm Hunqapillars (I 
> forget the exact size but it was bigger than the biggest made 62cm Hunq.) 
>
> If this were frame only and local I would definitely need to consider make 
> physical and financial space to pursue it.  I strongly prefer the 
> aesthetics of this model vs. the Clem L for some reason.  It’s somewhat 
> hard to explain, because I’m not opposed to the curved L in any way and 
> even really like the Gus/Susie top tube curves… I think it’s more how the 
> Roscoe’s straight, nearly parallel tubes kind of resemble a Raleigh Sports 
> three speed step through.
>
> I was on the fence for a bit between this model and the Clem H once I 
> caught wind of their imminent release. Without the finances for both, I 
> opted for the value and certainty of the 65cm Clem complete, which was 
> released first and in greater numbers, although still limited in the XL 
> size for the discontinued H type.  I’d eventually come to completely miss 
> the initial announcement of the Roscoe presale until after they (XL) were 
> all accounted for anyway so it kind of worked out for the best that I went 
> for the Clem when the opportunity came as there.  I always thought I’d 
> still try to snag one of these Roscoes if they ever became available on the 
> second hand market but would definitely need to be frame/fork for me to 
> even make it work and still retain the Clem.
>
> Looks like a really nice build and hope that for whoever ends up grabbing 
> it, it puts a huge smile on their face every time the get in the saddle!
>
> Brian 
> Lawrenceville NJ
>
>
> On Saturday, December 17, 2022, Mackenzy Albright  
> wrote:
>
>> I really aesthetically enjoy the rosco bubbe. It's too bad it was such a 
>> short lived frame set. That XL is a good looking bike.  
>>
>> On Saturday, December 17, 2022 at 9:25:04 AM UTC-8 fra...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I think the wheelset alone makes it semi reasonable. Having a frame/fork 
>>> built will be a small fortune with no guarantee they will nail the usual 
>>> Riv magic!
>>>
>>> On Saturday, December 17, 2022 at 9:16:14 AM UTC-8 
>>> captaincon...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 One of the best Rivs ever.  My wife has the medium, but it was a $900 
 ish frame new.  You could just have a builder clone it (or a small run of 
 frames) for under $3k.

 On Saturday, December 17, 2022 at 10:45:32 AM UTC-6 Bicycle Belle Ding 
 Ding! wrote:

>
> https://www.facebook.com/groups/3127504017358010/permalink/5447624762012579/
>
> On Saturday, December 17, 2022 at 11:44:59 AM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding 
> Ding! wrote:
>
>> There’s a post on the Facebook Rivendell buy/sell/trade group that 
>> has a Rosco with the lift-a-tube shown for sale. I can’t seem to post 
>> the 
>> link here - will try in a second post. It’s $$$ at 3k, but I know people 
>> go 
>> crazy for these for some reason, so heads up and maybe a Merry Christmas 
>> present for someone.
>> Leah 
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[RBW] Re: Cockpit Quandaries - Friction bar ends for a new rider

[Paul Clifton]

Thanks David and Joe,
I just remembered to ask ... any recommendations for cheap 26" wheel 
specific racks, rear mostly, but either I guess. 

The 700c compatible racks I have around sit so far above the rear wheel 
that the seat basically goes all the way down on top of them :`(

Paul

On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 11:53:31 AM UTC-6 Paul Clifton wrote:

> I thought y'all might like to see how the Clemified Hard Rock came out. I 
> put Boscos instead of Albatross on because it seemed like it'd work better. 
>
> [image: hard-rock-side-sm.jpg][image: hard-rock-front-sm.jpg]
>
> It's worth mentioning that the seat tube bottoms out with about 3 inches 
> of post still showing. The means that the minimum saddle height (as is) is 
> like 32" from the ground. So she won't be able to put her feet on the 
> ground while sitting on the seat anyway. I thought about cutting the seat 
> post down, and I still might. But if I cut off too much, she won't be able 
> to get the seat up to her PBH minus 11 saddle height from the bottom 
> bracket. So I figured I'd wait and let her ride it before I make any 
> destructive modifications.
>
> The stem has a similar problem. Between the minimum insertion mark and 
> where the stem bottoms out is like 1 inch (because the head tube is so 
> short). So I have it set up with a Technomic to get the bars high, but I 
> will take a stem with a shorter quill in case we need to get them much 
> lower. I'll also take the Albatross bars with me, in case the Boscos come 
> back way too far.
>
> But I rode it around to button everything up this morning, and it feels 
> GREAT! Now just to get it half way across the country and see how it works 
> for its intended rider.
>
> Paul in AR
>
> On Saturday, November 26, 2022 at 5:03:26 PM UTC-6 Paul Clifton wrote:
>
>> What do y'all think about putting friction bar end shifters on Albatross 
>> bars for a new rider?
>>
>> I'm just looking for opinions since I'm stumped on this build.
>>
>> My options are more-or-less indexed or friction 9 speed Microshift 
>> thumbies, friction bar ends, or buy some rapid fire shifters.
>>
>> I (selfishly) want to keep the thumbies for a different build for myself. 
>> And I'd have to buy a set of rapid fire shifters - which has its own 
>> problems (derrailer/cassette mismatching ...).
>>
>> So I want to know - Do you think a new rider would be irritated by 
>> friction bar ends?
>>
>> Here's the long story:
>>
>> I have a very short friend (4'11" - PBH is 72). If money and availability 
>> were no object, I'd buy her a 45cm Clem and be done with it, but I can't do 
>> that myself, and she'd never spend that kind of money on a bike (at least 
>> not until she catches the biking bug from this bike I'm building her since 
>> it'll be the first bike that's ever fit her).
>>
>> So my goal is to build a bike that fits her and is so fun to ride that 
>> she'll want to ride bikes all the time and eventually just buy a Clem.
>>
>> I finally found a frame that will fit her. It's a tiny (41 cm) 90s 
>> Hardrock step through with 26" wheels and Shimano 200ES drive train, which 
>> is low end 90s 7-speed stuff. It has a triple crank that I will leave in 
>> place (buttery smooth even after 30 years). Both derailers are in good 
>> shape, but they're low end 90s stuff, so I doubt they feel great, but I bet 
>> they'd work with friction just fine. It came with junky old rapid fire 
>> shifters, so those are definitely getting replaced.
>>
>> I'm planning to put Albatross bars on this bike, so my quandary is about 
>> the drivetrain. I'd like to use as many parts from my bin as possible, but 
>> I can't decide which combo is gonna work best and be the most fun for a 
>> timid rider. Buying new parts is no big deal, but I don't see the point in 
>> spending a bunch of money in the event she doesn't ride it much, so here 
>> are the relevant parts from my bin:
>>
>>- Rear wheel options - 7 speed cassette wheel with good cassette. 
>>8/9/10 speed wheel with no cassette.
>>- Shifters -Microshift 9 speed thumbies (I kinda want to keep these 
>>for another build). Shimano bar ends that no longer index.
>>- Derailers - New Altus 8 speed RD. Old Sora 9 speed RD. Shimano 
>>600ES 7 speed RD.
>>
>> So here are my options:
>>
>>
>>1. Keep the old 7 speed stuff. Friction bar ends or friction thumbies.
>>2. Buy a new 8 speed cassette. Use the Altus RD from my box. Friction 
>>thumbies or bar ends.
>>3. Buy a 9 speed cassette and a 9 speed derailer. Indexed Micros

[RBW] Re: Gus - bikepacking mode

[Paul Clifton]

Thanks for the info, Brian and Scott! I'll check out those spots.

I'm really only familiar with the panhandle, and have been lucky to spend 
several weeks in winter at a house on Indian Pass. FWIW - if your travels 
ever take you to the area, Leon Sinks 
<https://goo.gl/maps/RPVk6WXvfcHQdT5k9>, near Tallahassee, is definitely 
worth a visit. I don't know about the camping situation there, and riding 
there wouldn't be a joy, unless there's a back way I don't know about. But 
a couple hours of hiking around and seeing the strange sink holes is a very 
cool.

Paul

On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 10:29:42 AM UTC-6 greenteadrinkers wrote:

> Brian, here are a few places one of my friends likes to go:
>
> https://floridahikes.com/florida-trail-croom-hiking-trail
> https://alafiatrails.com/
> https://www.floridastateparks.org/learn/biking-cross-florida-greenway
>
> Some of that seems a bit more intense mnt. bike stuff, but some of those 
> areas are just fun to spend a day on the green and blue trails.
>
> From what I gather the "Croom" area is supposed to be amazing.
> -Scott
>
> On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 11:18:34 AM UTC-5 brok...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Ryan, thank you! Regarding the Pec Deck, I didn't actually buy the "bag 
>> 'o parts" Ronnie was selling on his site for $75... I had enough spare rack 
>> struts and Nitto daruma bolts to make the exact same thing. The only thing 
>> I changed was upgrading to a solid 3/8" aluminum rod (from McMaster) for 
>> the cross piece (I was previously using just a long Nitto strut). As I'm 
>> sure you've experienced, the rackless support method is pretty rock solid, 
>> and I find it's no less solid with the Edelux attached. Maybe there's a 
>> slight bit more bounce to the light when riding at night, but it's honestly 
>> hardly noticeable. I'm using the standard Nitto light mount for rack struts.
>>
>> -Brian
>>
>> On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 11:05:19 AM UTC-5 Brian Turner wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for the kind words, Paul and Scott! The past two winters, my wife 
>>> and I spent our Jan - Feb on a barrier island called Anna Maria Island. 
>>> It's close to Bradenton / Sarasota, and basically within the Tampa Bay / 
>>> St. Pete area, but you have to drive all the way around the bay to get to 
>>> it. Her parents own property there, so we can take our dogs and our bikes 
>>> and work remotely from there. The first year was full-on pandemic, so we 
>>> kinda laid low. Last year, we made more of an effort to get out on our 
>>> bikes and find places to ride. Mostly just day trips to gravel routes out 
>>> on the prairie. A couple of places I found that were nice and within an 
>>> hour's drive or so were Myakka River State Park, and Duette Preserve. I 
>>> didn't really find any good overnight options, and would prefer to do those 
>>> with others even if I did. However, this year I contacted a group out of 
>>> Orlando that does monthly s24o rides and coffeeoutside events. My plan is 
>>> to do a couple of rides with them, even though it's a bit further of a 
>>> drive from where we are living than I would like. I'm certainly open to 
>>> other recommendations if anyone familiar with the area has any!
>>> -Brian
>>>
>>> On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 10:32:00 AM UTC-5 Paul Clifton wrote:
>>>
>>>> Awesome setup and perfect kit, Brian. Thanks for sharing. Where are you 
>>>> planning to camp in Florida? I'm always interested in spots to check out 
>>>> down there.
>>>>
>>>> I'm  really eager to get my Gus out on an overnight sometime soon, and 
>>>> there's a chance I'll make it to the state park on Saint Joe Penninsula 
>>>> <https://goo.gl/maps/SDUUSAHYtLTc1p7r9> in early January, but I've 
>>>> barely had a chance to figure out how I'd carry my gear, and I'd have to 
>>>> get it all sorted by this Saturday. I had a full frame bag on my Jones, 
>>>> and 
>>>> I pack a little heavier than you, so I expect panniers might be in order, 
>>>> so maybe just a nice coffee outside outing around there somewhere will 
>>>> scratch the itch until it warms up here in the Ozarks.
>>>>
>>>> Paul in AR
>>>>
>>>> On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 8:05:39 AM UTC-6 brok...@gmail.com 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Thanks Eric! Yes, I was happy to see Brendon's clever use of that 
>>>>> half-frame bag. In that case, the shortened section of fender is crucial 
>>>>> to 
>>>

[RBW] Re: Gus - bikepacking mode

[Paul Clifton]

Awesome setup and perfect kit, Brian. Thanks for sharing. Where are you 
planning to camp in Florida? I'm always interested in spots to check out 
down there.

I'm  really eager to get my Gus out on an overnight sometime soon, and 
there's a chance I'll make it to the state park on Saint Joe Penninsula 
 in early January, but I've barely 
had a chance to figure out how I'd carry my gear, and I'd have to get it 
all sorted by this Saturday. I had a full frame bag on my Jones, and I pack 
a little heavier than you, so I expect panniers might be in order, so maybe 
just a nice coffee outside outing around there somewhere will scratch the 
itch until it warms up here in the Ozarks.

Paul in AR

On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 8:05:39 AM UTC-6 brok...@gmail.com wrote:

> Thanks Eric! Yes, I was happy to see Brendon's clever use of that 
> half-frame bag. In that case, the shortened section of fender is crucial to 
> keep it off the tire. 
>
> Re: my camping setup, I've been bikepacking since about 2010, so I've had 
> a good amount of time to acquire and test stuff out, and of course 
> everything gets better and lighter and smaller each year. Over the years 
> I've tried to whittle my kit down to the stuff that works best for me 
> without any extraneous gear. Here's a basic setup for about 3 seasons here. 
> Of course, things can get bulkier and heavier in the Winter, so I adjust as 
> needed:
>
> Saddlebag:
> tent (Big Agnes Copper Spur HV UL1 solo tent - bikepacking version with 
> the short poles)
> Thermarest seat pad
> Lezyne micro floor drive HV pump
> tire kit (spare tube, tubeless repair kit, 2oz bottle of sealant, digital 
> pressure gauge)
> tool kit
> small, lightweight bike lock (Abus Bordo Lite 6055)
> change of clothes (usually minimal)
> rain jacket and/or Patagonia Nano Puff depending on weather
>
> Handlebar bag:
> Big Agnes 45 deg down bag (there's no insulation in the bottom so it works 
> like a quilt with a sleeve for a sleep pad)
> Nemo Tensor insulated inflatable pad
> Nemo Fillo Elite pillow
> first aid kit
> basic cook kit (MSR Pocket Rocket, Snowpeak solo Ti pot, fuel canister, 
> Opinel knife, long-handled Ti spoon)
> Aeropress Go + 1-2 days worth of coffee - fits in side pocket of bag
> Electronics (battery bank, headlamp, charging cables) - fits in side 
> pocket of bag
> Food (typically I go minimalist and use Good To Go meals, or similar 
> dehydrated prepared meals)
>
> Snacks, electrolyte tabs, and phone typically go in the stem bag or top 
> tube bag
>
> I think that's everything. Happy to answer any questions about specific 
> items!
> -Brian
>
>
> On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 7:50:45 AM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Also very curious to know a typical camping set up and pack list for the 
>> low weight you describe hauling :) 
>>
>> On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 7:49:53 AM UTC-5 Eric Marth wrote:
>>
>>> Nice rig, Brian! 
>>>
>>> I'm reminded of Brendon's seat-tube bag on his Susie, this was the best 
>>> picture I could find. I believe it's a repurposed top tube bag. 
>>>
>>> [image: DSC_0190.jpg]
>>>
>>> On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 12:53:51 AM UTC-5 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>>>
 Goddamn that’s SICK

 On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 7:00:09 PM UTC-8 fra...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> What a beautiful setup! I can’t wait to see pictures from the next 
> trip! I’ll be watching to see what the bag behind the seat tube comes out 
> like, I’ve definitely been interested in using that space. 
>
> Is your light mount solid on the makeshift Pec Deck? I was thinking 
> about doing that as well but thought it might not be super stable. I have 
> it mounted with the stock mount the Edelux came with but haven’t had a 
> chance to test it very much. It has been studded riding for weeks and I 
> have those on the Clem with fenders… Loving your setup!
>
> On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 1:59:16 PM UTC-8 brok...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I think I've finally gotten my bikepacking setup dialed in on my Gus, 
>> and thought I'd share. My previous efforts were a bit slapdash, but I'm 
>> planning on a couple of overnighters down in Florida this winter and 
>> want 
>> to take Gus with me. After all, that's what I bought this bike for (I 
>> replaced my old Surly Troll with this Gus for off-road bikepacking).
>>
>> 8.5 lbs in the rear, and 5.5 lbs up front. I haven't factored in food 
>> and clothing, but this is my typical weight distribution.
>>
>> All bags are supported; the rear BxB Goldback is secured to my saddle 
>> via a Carradice Bagman QR, and is primarily supported by the R14. The 
>> front 
>> Fab's Chest is supported by my makeshift "Pec Deck", which also 
>> conveniently holds my Edelux. I'm also currently working with Andy 
>> Schmidt 
>> from Lord's Luggage in Portland to design a prototype 

Re: [RBW] Cliffhanger alternatives?

[Paul Clifton]

This just reminded me ...  I scored some 27.5x2.8" WTB Rangers the other 
day. I wonder if they'll be taller on the cliffhangers.

On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 5:53:35 PM UTC-6 Paul Clifton wrote:

> Thanks for the chart Laing!
>
> Deore's and many others clear 2.8" G Ones on a 650b Cliffhanger on the Gus 
> just fine. I guess I get some leaves in between the tire and the cable 
> sometimes, but that happens with all rim brakes IME.
>
> The Motolites technically cleared, if I set them up very close to the rim 
> so that the arms were as vertical as possible. But it was too close for 
> comfort, and I did hear some rubbing occasionally, but not sure what was 
> deforming to cause it ...
>
> Paul in AR
>
> On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 12:54:46 PM UTC-6 lconley wrote:
>
>> Shimano Deores are only 4mm (1/6") longer than Paul Motolites. If you 
>> want something longer:
>>
>> [image: V brakes.JPG]
>>
>> Laing
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 1:45:07 PM UTC-5 brok...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Paul brings up an excellent point. If you plan on running the max tire 
>>> size on your Gus, just make sure the brake you use will clear it. I had 
>>> already purchased MotoLites for mine before even considering a tire size. 
>>> Ended up going with 2.5” Ehlines, which turned out to clear the brakes by 
>>> maybe 1cm. I doubt I’d feel comfortable with any less clearance just due to 
>>> the chances of picking up mud and rocks and sticks on chunky treads. Of 
>>> course, this says more about the limitations of certain brakes than it does 
>>> tires. With the right brake choice, you should be able to run the 2.8s no 
>>> problem… just keep it in mind.
>>>
>>> On Dec 13, 2022, at 12:56 PM, Paul Clifton  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> Richard,
>>> I run 2.8" G-ones on Cliffhangers on my Gus without any problems. I 
>>> don't think the frame would take a bigger tire, and v-brakes almost 
>>> certainly won't. I already had to Swap the Paul Motolites for Deores to 
>>> clear the 2.8" G-ones.
>>>
>>> So if you want Cliffhangers on your Susie, no need to worry about the 
>>> rim width being a limiting factor.
>>>
>>> Paul in AR
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 10:02:21 AM UTC-6 rmro...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Scott. Right now thinking 2.6” Maxxis Recons. Possibly Teravail 
>>>> Ehline 2.5” but I read they really are more like 2.25”. I’ve owned true 
>>>> “plus” bikes before & ran 2.8”-3.0” tires on 30-45mm wide rims with 
>>>> success. Not sure I want to go that big. Not a lot to choose from in rim 
>>>> brake rims.
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>> On Dec 13, 2022, at 10:42 AM, 'Scott Luly' via RBW Owners Bunch <
>>>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> 
>>>>
>>>> Richard, what width tire are you wanting to run on your new Gus, 2.8?
>>>>
>>>> I'm getting some Cliffs built for my new Gus, and I plan on running 2.6 
>>>> to begin with and like having the option to run 2.8 tires. 2.6 is within 
>>>> Velocity's recommended rim width. I think one could safely go outside of 
>>>> "recommended" tire width and run a 2.8 on a Cliff. It's .1 per side wider. 
>>>> It's not like going from a 1.9 to say a 2.8.
>>>>
>>>> I find a decent selection of 2.6 tires out there, 2.8 not so much. Have 
>>>> you got a good 2.8 in mind? Do tell. I'd like to look into it. I wouldn't 
>>>> hesitate to run 2.8 on my Cliffs, whenever they show up on my door step...
>>>>
>>>> Also, please share what shakes out in your BB search for your Gus.
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>>
>>>> Scott in about to get very cold Montana
>>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 08:29:36 AM MST, Richard Rose <
>>>> rmro...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 2.5"-2.6" tires seem to be at the very upper limits for the venerable 
>>>> Cliffhanger. Is anyone aware of a 700c  rim brake rim that is a bit wider? 
>>>> I have not found one. 
>>>>
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Re: [RBW] Cliffhanger alternatives?

[Paul Clifton]

Thanks for the chart Laing!

Deore's and many others clear 2.8" G Ones on a 650b Cliffhanger on the Gus 
just fine. I guess I get some leaves in between the tire and the cable 
sometimes, but that happens with all rim brakes IME.

The Motolites technically cleared, if I set them up very close to the rim 
so that the arms were as vertical as possible. But it was too close for 
comfort, and I did hear some rubbing occasionally, but not sure what was 
deforming to cause it ...

Paul in AR

On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 12:54:46 PM UTC-6 lconley wrote:

> Shimano Deores are only 4mm (1/6") longer than Paul Motolites. If you want 
> something longer:
>
> [image: V brakes.JPG]
>
> Laing
>
> On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 1:45:07 PM UTC-5 brok...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Paul brings up an excellent point. If you plan on running the max tire 
>> size on your Gus, just make sure the brake you use will clear it. I had 
>> already purchased MotoLites for mine before even considering a tire size. 
>> Ended up going with 2.5” Ehlines, which turned out to clear the brakes by 
>> maybe 1cm. I doubt I’d feel comfortable with any less clearance just due to 
>> the chances of picking up mud and rocks and sticks on chunky treads. Of 
>> course, this says more about the limitations of certain brakes than it does 
>> tires. With the right brake choice, you should be able to run the 2.8s no 
>> problem… just keep it in mind.
>>
>> On Dec 13, 2022, at 12:56 PM, Paul Clifton  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> Richard,
>> I run 2.8" G-ones on Cliffhangers on my Gus without any problems. I don't 
>> think the frame would take a bigger tire, and v-brakes almost certainly 
>> won't. I already had to Swap the Paul Motolites for Deores to clear the 
>> 2.8" G-ones.
>>
>> So if you want Cliffhangers on your Susie, no need to worry about the rim 
>> width being a limiting factor.
>>
>> Paul in AR
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 10:02:21 AM UTC-6 rmro...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Scott. Right now thinking 2.6” Maxxis Recons. Possibly Teravail 
>>> Ehline 2.5” but I read they really are more like 2.25”. I’ve owned true 
>>> “plus” bikes before & ran 2.8”-3.0” tires on 30-45mm wide rims with 
>>> success. Not sure I want to go that big. Not a lot to choose from in rim 
>>> brake rims.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Dec 13, 2022, at 10:42 AM, 'Scott Luly' via RBW Owners Bunch <
>>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> Richard, what width tire are you wanting to run on your new Gus, 2.8?
>>>
>>> I'm getting some Cliffs built for my new Gus, and I plan on running 2.6 
>>> to begin with and like having the option to run 2.8 tires. 2.6 is within 
>>> Velocity's recommended rim width. I think one could safely go outside of 
>>> "recommended" tire width and run a 2.8 on a Cliff. It's .1 per side wider. 
>>> It's not like going from a 1.9 to say a 2.8.
>>>
>>> I find a decent selection of 2.6 tires out there, 2.8 not so much. Have 
>>> you got a good 2.8 in mind? Do tell. I'd like to look into it. I wouldn't 
>>> hesitate to run 2.8 on my Cliffs, whenever they show up on my door step...
>>>
>>> Also, please share what shakes out in your BB search for your Gus.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Scott in about to get very cold Montana
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 08:29:36 AM MST, Richard Rose <
>>> rmro...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>>>
>>>
>>> 2.5"-2.6" tires seem to be at the very upper limits for the venerable 
>>> Cliffhanger. Is anyone aware of a 700c  rim brake rim that is a bit wider? 
>>> I have not found one. 
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Cliffhanger alternatives?

[Paul Clifton]

Richard,
I run 2.8" G-ones on Cliffhangers on my Gus without any problems. I don't 
think the frame would take a bigger tire, and v-brakes almost certainly 
won't. I already had to Swap the Paul Motolites for Deores to clear the 
2.8" G-ones.

So if you want Cliffhangers on your Susie, no need to worry about the rim 
width being a limiting factor.

Paul in AR

On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 10:02:21 AM UTC-6 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hi Scott. Right now thinking 2.6” Maxxis Recons. Possibly Teravail Ehline 
> 2.5” but I read they really are more like 2.25”. I’ve owned true “plus” 
> bikes before & ran 2.8”-3.0” tires on 30-45mm wide rims with success. Not 
> sure I want to go that big. Not a lot to choose from in rim brake rims.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Dec 13, 2022, at 10:42 AM, 'Scott Luly' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
> 
>
> Richard, what width tire are you wanting to run on your new Gus, 2.8?
>
> I'm getting some Cliffs built for my new Gus, and I plan on running 2.6 to 
> begin with and like having the option to run 2.8 tires. 2.6 is within 
> Velocity's recommended rim width. I think one could safely go outside of 
> "recommended" tire width and run a 2.8 on a Cliff. It's .1 per side wider. 
> It's not like going from a 1.9 to say a 2.8.
>
> I find a decent selection of 2.6 tires out there, 2.8 not so much. Have 
> you got a good 2.8 in mind? Do tell. I'd like to look into it. I wouldn't 
> hesitate to run 2.8 on my Cliffs, whenever they show up on my door step...
>
> Also, please share what shakes out in your BB search for your Gus.
>
> Best,
>
> Scott in about to get very cold Montana
>
> On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 08:29:36 AM MST, Richard Rose <
> rmro...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>
>
> 2.5"-2.6" tires seem to be at the very upper limits for the venerable 
> Cliffhanger. Is anyone aware of a 700c  rim brake rim that is a bit wider? 
> I have not found one. 
>
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[RBW] Re: Saddle height and BPH

[Paul Clifton]

Laing, I've puzzled about how to take crank length into account and this 
seems like a great idea. I'll give it a try. But at the end of the day, 
anything that is a fairly reproducible number for an individual gets the 
job done. I have a seamstress tape with a little rivet on the end that 
grabs the top of the hole where the crank bolt goes and it gets the zero 
point of the tape close enough to the center of the crank that it's never 
been a problem, or at least it keeps my measurements fairly consistent.

Paul in AR

On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 2:41:33 PM UTC-6 lconley wrote:

> I have never understood why any body is concerned "saddle height" which as 
> I understand it is the distance from the CL of the crank to the top of the 
> saddle, inline with the seat tube. It is very hard to measure from the 
> center of the crank and what if you have bikes with different crank 
> lengths?. I put the crank low and in-line with the seat tube and measure 
> from the top of the pedal axle to the top of the saddle,  inline with the 
> seat tube - takes the crank length out of the equation. I used 35" when I 
> was younger, but now use 34". It is constant from bike to bike, no worrying 
> about crank length, nor trying to line up the end of the tape with the 
> centerline of the crank at the same time as trying read the tape at the 
> saddle.
>
> Laing
> Delray Beach FL
>
> On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 12:49:07 PM UTC-5 Jay Lonner wrote:
>
>> I just took delivery of a new (non-Riv) bike and am dialing in the fit. 
>> I’m a little worried that the frame is too big for me, since I only have 
>> maybe 2” standover, which seems tight for a gravel bike.
>>
>> So I went out and measured the saddle height on my Hunq (which is a size 
>> 62). It came in at about 75cm. This gives me a solid fistful of seatpost. 
>> Then I remeasured my PBH, which is 93-94 cm depending on hard I pull. For 
>> reference, here’s the relevant page from HQ:
>>
>> https://www.rivbike.com/pages/pubic-bone-height-how-to-measure-your-pbh
>>
>> This suggests that based on my  PBH my saddle height should be closer to 
>> 83 cm – an 8cm discrepancy. Before riding in this morning I raised my 
>> saddle height to 79 cm, basically splitting the difference. It felt weird, 
>> which of course it would after so many years at 75cm. But I made it in and 
>> my feet were in full contact with the pedals without any tippytoe 
>> maneuvers. So I guess I’ve been doing it wrong this whole time? Kind of 
>> embarrassing. Even so, according to the Riv method my saddle height is 
>> still ~4cm lower than my PBH would suggest. 
>>
>> So I guess I’m wondering about alternative ways of determining saddle 
>> height somewhat objectively, and/or whether I should now be looking at 
>> other variables such as a fore-aft saddle positioning, saddle angle, and 
>> even saddle type (currently a B68, slammed back as far as it can go on a 
>> S83, with the nose pitched up ~10 degrees or so). Other relevant factors 
>> might be crank arm length (175mm), pedal height (Pedaling Innovations 
>> platform pedals), and shoes (Chuck Taylors, typically). Looking for the 
>> optimum balance of comfort, efficiency, and protecting my perineum.
>>
>> Jay Lonner
>> Bellingham, WA
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Saddle height and BPH

[Paul Clifton]

IME, there's no objective way to get the "right" saddle height, but the Riv 
method gets me in the ballpark. I do change my saddle height +/- a cm or 
so, even on the same bike, depending on the kind of riding I'm doing 
(single track vs path/road/gravel) and how flexible I'm feeling at any 
given time. I'm not searching for the most efficient position in terms of 
power transfer, but the most comfortable in terms of my muscles, joints, 
and movements on the bike.

What the others have said (heel on pedal to almost lock out, and adjusting 
the fore/aft/tilt) is good advice, but how straight to get your knee at the 
bottom of the pedal stroke is subjective in my opinion. I'd say jack the 
seat up another 4cm and see how it feels, but don't be shy about lowering 
it back down either. I think some of the individual differences have to do 
with femur-to-fibula ratios, hip flexibility, quad-to-calf strength ratios, 
and butt size, not to mention upright vs leaned forward riding position.

Another Riv method that I like is 
1. Move the seat way up. Get it high enough that when you ride, you notice 
your hips moving from side to side, like you're trying to get a little more 
extension to reach the bottom of the pedal stroke.
2. Move the saddle down 1/2 to 1 cm at a time until you feel that hip 
rocking stop.

That's gonna get you your maximum acceptable saddle height, which I would 
consider "leaned-forward, go fast, roadie saddle height". Go down from 
there based on what feels comfortable to your knees and hips on the type of 
riding you're doing.

These are just my thoughts as I've searched for saddle height nirvana and 
found that it only really exists in the moment.

Paul in AR

On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 11:49:07 AM UTC-6 Jay Lonner wrote:

> I just took delivery of a new (non-Riv) bike and am dialing in the fit. 
> I’m a little worried that the frame is too big for me, since I only have 
> maybe 2” standover, which seems tight for a gravel bike.
>
> So I went out and measured the saddle height on my Hunq (which is a size 
> 62). It came in at about 75cm. This gives me a solid fistful of seatpost. 
> Then I remeasured my PBH, which is 93-94 cm depending on hard I pull. For 
> reference, here’s the relevant page from HQ:
>
> https://www.rivbike.com/pages/pubic-bone-height-how-to-measure-your-pbh
>
> This suggests that based on my  PBH my saddle height should be closer to 
> 83 cm – an 8cm discrepancy. Before riding in this morning I raised my 
> saddle height to 79 cm, basically splitting the difference. It felt weird, 
> which of course it would after so many years at 75cm. But I made it in and 
> my feet were in full contact with the pedals without any tippytoe 
> maneuvers. So I guess I’ve been doing it wrong this whole time? Kind of 
> embarrassing. Even so, according to the Riv method my saddle height is 
> still ~4cm lower than my PBH would suggest. 
>
> So I guess I’m wondering about alternative ways of determining saddle 
> height somewhat objectively, and/or whether I should now be looking at 
> other variables such as a fore-aft saddle positioning, saddle angle, and 
> even saddle type (currently a B68, slammed back as far as it can go on a 
> S83, with the nose pitched up ~10 degrees or so). Other relevant factors 
> might be crank arm length (175mm), pedal height (Pedaling Innovations 
> platform pedals), and shoes (Chuck Taylors, typically). Looking for the 
> optimum balance of comfort, efficiency, and protecting my perineum.
>
> Jay Lonner
> Bellingham, WA
>
>
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: New Sam Hillbornes

[Paul Clifton]

ith brown and grays.  If I was ready to sell my 
>>>>>>>> Hillborne I would order a Silver tomorrow.  But it makes no sense.  If 
>>>>>>>> someone was hot for a bright orange I could be tempted.  
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tue, Dec 6, 2022 at 6:58 PM Eric Marth  
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Joel — I might be forgetting a color here or there but... I think 
>>>>>>>>> these new ones plus the black are my favorite paint colors for all 
>>>>>>>>> the 
>>>>>>>>> Hillbornes :) 
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I think these new colors will look especially good with some kinda 
>>>>>>>>> warm-tones saddle (tan, brown), nice big tires with gum sidewalls and 
>>>>>>>>> warm 
>>>>>>>>> bar tape and grips! Subtle, timeless warmth. Just me, that's my 
>>>>>>>>> thing, 
>>>>>>>>> maxing out the neutrals. 
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 4:05:44 PM UTC-5 jrst...@gmail.com 
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Eric, I agree.  I do like the blue, have an Orange that I bought 
>>>>>>>>>> as it was the only one I could find when Riv was out, it is ok but 
>>>>>>>>>> not my 
>>>>>>>>>> favorite color. Love that new Silver.  My favorite colors are the 
>>>>>>>>>> Black 
>>>>>>>>>> (like your repainted one) and the new Silver, absolutely beautiful 
>>>>>>>>>> colors. 
>>>>>>>>>> There are probably others I have not seen but that silver has my 
>>>>>>>>>> vote. 
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Dec 6, 2022 at 12:22 PM Eric Marth  
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I'll be interested to see how quickly these move. The Hillbornes 
>>>>>>>>>>> are such great bikes, adaptable for many purposes. I could 
>>>>>>>>>>> definitely see 
>>>>>>>>>>> the paint colors this round getting buyers excited. Nothing against 
>>>>>>>>>>> 'em but 
>>>>>>>>>>> the RBW blue, orange and harvest gold didn't do much for me. New 
>>>>>>>>>>> colors are 
>>>>>>>>>>> rel good. 
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 11:18:17 AM UTC-5 
>>>>>>>>>>> edwardb...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> But that green is causing it to heat back up 
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Dec 6, 2022 at 8:09 AM Eric Daume  
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I’m with Johnny. I think the market is cooling down. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, December 6, 2022, Johnny Alien <
>>>>>>>>>>>>> johnny@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> It will sell well but I don't think we are going to see 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> immediate sell outs on anything the way it had been happening.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 12:52:36 AM UTC-5 Joe Bernard 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yep. The folks who will never ride a mixte/step-thru haven't 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> had a lugged Riv on the block in quite a while and these colors 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> spectacular. Don't dodd

Re: [RBW] Clem L vs Rosco Bebe

[Paul Clifton]

It will probably go to a new home. Various permutations of various stables 
are percolating.

Paul

On Wednesday, December 7, 2022 at 12:17:07 PM UTC-6 Slin wrote:

> Thanks, Ray.
>
> Paul - so what did you decide? Did the Rosco Bebe find a new kid/family?
>
> On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 8:06:09 PM UTC-8 Ray Varella wrote:
>
>> Great picture Slin
>>
>>
>> Ray
>> On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 1:29:04 PM UTC-8 Slin wrote:
>>
>>> Here's mine!
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_0421.jpg]
>>>
>>> On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 1:19:45 PM UTC-8 jmlmu...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Will confirmed that the Clem is in fact more Rosco Baby like and would 
>>>> make a great kid-carrier!
>>>>
>>>> Joe
>>>>
>>>> On Dec 5, 2022, at 12:41 PM, Slin  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> That's pretty cool to hear that the Rosco Bebe rides great even without 
>>>> the front load. I was looking at them back in the day too and thought I 
>>>> read that they were expected to feel weird without that load. 
>>>>
>>>> From what I understand, the Clem has become more Rosco-Bebe-like over 
>>>> the years, with a longer effective top tube, etc. I certainly love using 
>>>> mine for kid hauling :)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 3:11:23 PM UTC-8 Paul Clifton wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Has anyone ridden both a Clem L and a Rosco Bebe enough to comment on 
>>>>> the differences?
>>>>>
>>>>> My bebe has long since outgrown the Yepp Mini front seat, and I'm now 
>>>>> using the Bebe to drag a copilot.
>>>>>
>>>>> Part of me feels like I should pass the Bebe on to a new parent, but 
>>>>> another part of me wants to just keep it. The ride is phenomenal, and 
>>>>> really unlike anything else I've ever ridden and I doubt I'd ever get it 
>>>>> back if I let it go.
>>>>>
>>>>> The 68 degree seat tube angle is really comfortable, and the really 
>>>>> long effective top tube puts so much bike out in front of the rider that 
>>>>> it 
>>>>> feels like it really takes the lead. It's absurdly stable on fast 
>>>>> descents 
>>>>> and carves corners without any skittishness.
>>>>>
>>>>> If I was going to sell it, I'd probably replace it with a Clem as my 
>>>>> kid hauling townie, since I'd like to keep my Gus set up for rowdy single 
>>>>> track fun.
>>>>>
>>>>> So I'm curious if anyone can actually compare the two.
>>>>>
>>>>> Paul in AR
>>>>>
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[RBW] Re: New Sam Hillbornes

[Paul Clifton]

I'm not looking to buy a Sam, but I just glanced at the size chart on 
Instagram, and, wow, the sizing has changed dramatically over the years. My 
PBH is 82cm. That puts me on a 51cm Sam for this current batch. When I test 
rode one of the originals with caliper brakes, it was a 56cm I believe, and 
it fit perfectly. I haven't kept up with the geometry changes, but I'd 
really like to see what it's like to ride a 51cm frame and be at the top 
end of a size range for once. I bet the reach would be sublime.

Paul in AR

On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 1:47:53 PM UTC-6 Houston Wilson wrote:

> Hi Bill,
>
> I'd love the catalog!! 
> Houston Wilson
> Los Angeles, CA
>
> On Friday, December 2, 2022 at 8:16:50 AM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> For the voracious and anxious waiters of shipping containers:  I've 
>> stumbled upon a Rivendell Sam Hillborne catalog.  It's from one of the 
>> sidepull brake variants of the Sam Hillborne.  If anybody wants it, let me 
>> know and I can mail it to whomever.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Thursday, December 1, 2022 at 7:04:00 AM UTC-8 jak...@me.com wrote:
>>
>>> Anxiously awaiting the new Sams to land on our shores and am obsessing 
>>> over the potential build.  Perusing these pages with all of your 
>>> experiences have really helped.  I thought the lime olive was for me until 
>>> I saw the early photos of the HiHo Silver.  Smitten.
>>>
>>> Anyone going in on these?  I feel like I am on baby watch!
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Stem Length and Handlebar Width

[Paul Clifton]

Personally, yes, I would expect to want a shorter stem with wider bars. I 
would probably try it with the existing stem, but I'd anticipate going 
shorter.

Which also makes me realize that, since I'm pretty sensitive to the impact 
of stem length on handling, there's probably some setups where my optimum 
bar width, doesn't work with my optimum stem length.

Paul in AR

On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 1:07:45 PM UTC-6 bjmi...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hey Everyone!
> In theory, if one was to switch to wider handlebars, I would assume the 
> stem length would have to get shorter to keep the reach about the 
> same...right? 
>
> I have 48cm noodle bars on my Sam with a 9cm tallux. The reach is pretty 
> good...maybe a little on the stretchy side. If I go to a 54cm noodle bar, 
> I'm thinking it'd be necessary to get a shorter stem. Right? 
>
> Thanks for your thoughts!
> Ben in Omaha 
>
>
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[RBW] WTB - Maybe ... - Clem L - Medium

[Paul Clifton]

I'm curious if anyone has a medium Clem L they'd like to sell. I'd prefer 
frame/fork, but I'd consider a complete or partial build.

If you have one, please send me a PM with details and your price.

I'm contemplating passing my Rosco Bebe on to another family, but need a 
replacement before I do. But hey, my daughter might be pedaling her own 
bike in the next couple weeks, so I may not even need a townie for much 
longer, so who knows how this'll all shake out.

Thanks,
Paul in AR


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Re: [RBW] Re: Clem L vs Rosco Bebe

[Paul Clifton]

Hey Joe, I got it and will follow up off list. Hate to say it, but I'm also 
not surprised: you're not the only one waiting on a reply :)

I think Riv should do another round of these :) I wonder if lead times and 
factory capacity are back to where they can do a special order if 10 or 20 
people commit to buy them.

On Friday, December 2, 2022 at 10:29:17 AM UTC-6 jmlmu...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hey Paul,
>
> I sent you an email but not sure if you got it. I’m a new a parent and 
> while I’ve got other Rivs that I plan to use with a kid seat, I’ve 
> definitely been curious to experience the Bebe with my baby! If you decide 
> to pass it to a new parents, I’d love to chat with you about it.
>
> Thanks,
> Joe
> .
>

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[RBW] Re: Clem L vs Rosco Bebe

[Paul Clifton]

I'm with you on that Hoch. I'm the third owner of a semi-custom Boulder All 
Road 650b. Aside from being a particularly special bike, it happens to fit 
like no other bike I've ever ridden. I've considered selling it several 
times, because I don't ride it much, and I've basically stopped riding drop 
bars anyway, but I know that if I'm going to own a drop bar road bike, it's 
the only one that will ever do, so it's staying, and I get it out 6 or 10 
times a year for a 30 mile gravel ride and remember why I have it and how 
much fun a sporty bike that really fits is.

It's actually a really similar situation to the Bebe bike. It's a really 
specialized bike for a specific purpose that I don't actually take part in 
(Brevets or Babies). So I'm not in a rush to replace it. Ideally I could 
send it out on loan locally to parents I know, but I don't have that kind 
of network these days.

Paul

On Friday, December 2, 2022 at 9:35:49 AM UTC-6 Hoch in ut wrote:

> Ah, got it. Well, I’m sure you’ll find the Clem rides great. I had one for 
> a bit and I liked it. 
>
> That said, I had a bike years ago (Surly). Fit was amazing and I felt like 
> I could pedal forever on it. I foolishly decided to sell it for another 
> bike. I couldn’t get it to fit right so I bought another. But despite using 
> the exact same components, I still couldn’t get it to fit like the 
> original. Lesson learned, if you have a bike that rides and fits well, hold 
> on to it.  
>
> On Friday, December 2, 2022 at 8:09:03 AM UTC-7 Paul Clifton wrote:
>
>> Hey Hoch,
>> The fork is a Clem fork but I'm pretty sure the head tube angle is 
>> different, part of the way they made the effective top tube so long and 
>> gave it such good balance with a 30 lb load behind the handle bars.
>>
>> I don't really want to get rid of it or get a new bike, but I do want 
>> another parent and kid to have the wonderful experience my daughter and I 
>> had for the couple years she fit the Yepp seat, so if there's a 
>> more-or-less drop-in replacement out there, I want to know about it.
>>
>> Paul
>>
>> On Friday, December 2, 2022 at 8:59:34 AM UTC-6 Hoch in ut wrote:
>>
>>> I believe the Rosco uses Clem forks, so I’m assuming the front end is 
>>> similar, if not the same. Rivendell told me that they also use the same 
>>> front end on the Gus, Susie, Atlantis so they should all ride very similar. 
>>>
>>> Unless you just want a new bike to get a new bike (nothing wrong with 
>>> that), I’d just keep the Rosco. It’s a very unique and rare bike. 
>>>
>>> On Friday, December 2, 2022 at 7:05:27 AM UTC-7 Paul Clifton wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks for the feedback Richard and Laing. I certain I'd enjoy a Clem, 
>>>> but I guess I'll never know how unique the Bebe bike is until I can ride 
>>>> them both back to back. There's still part of me that wants to get it to 
>>>> another new parent.
>>>>
>>>> Laing, please share you thoughts when you get the Bebe on the road. I 
>>>> can tell you it's just as fun without a kid on the front as it is with 
>>>> one. 
>>>> The extra load just adds to the stability.
>>>>
>>>> Paul
>>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 6:29:39 PM UTC-6 lconley wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I own both, but I have never completed the Bebe build [everything done 
>>>>> but the brakes and chain-line (S-A 3 speed)], so not much help yet. I 
>>>>> bought the Bebe because of the long effective top tube. I have short legs 
>>>>> and a long torso and it seemed like it might be the ideal step through 
>>>>> for 
>>>>> bars with a lot of backsweep. I also have a Betty Foy, Rosco Bubbe Medium 
>>>>> Mountain Mixte and the one and only Keven's Bike true mixte. Some day I 
>>>>> may 
>>>>> not be able to swing my leg over and I wanted to cover all the options on 
>>>>> Rivendell step-thrus. I never intended for the Bebe to be a baby bike, 
>>>>> it's 
>>>>> my long torso bike.
>>>>>
>>>>> Laing
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 6:11:23 PM UTC-5 Paul Clifton wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Has anyone ridden both a Clem L and a Rosco Bebe enough to comment on 
>>>>>> the differences?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My bebe has long since outgrown the Yepp Mini front seat, and I'm now 
>>>>>> using the Bebe to drag a copilot.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Part of me 

[RBW] Re: Clem L vs Rosco Bebe

[Paul Clifton]

Hey Hoch,
The fork is a Clem fork but I'm pretty sure the head tube angle is 
different, part of the way they made the effective top tube so long and 
gave it such good balance with a 30 lb load behind the handle bars.

I don't really want to get rid of it or get a new bike, but I do want 
another parent and kid to have the wonderful experience my daughter and I 
had for the couple years she fit the Yepp seat, so if there's a 
more-or-less drop-in replacement out there, I want to know about it.

Paul

On Friday, December 2, 2022 at 8:59:34 AM UTC-6 Hoch in ut wrote:

> I believe the Rosco uses Clem forks, so I’m assuming the front end is 
> similar, if not the same. Rivendell told me that they also use the same 
> front end on the Gus, Susie, Atlantis so they should all ride very similar. 
>
> Unless you just want a new bike to get a new bike (nothing wrong with 
> that), I’d just keep the Rosco. It’s a very unique and rare bike. 
>
> On Friday, December 2, 2022 at 7:05:27 AM UTC-7 Paul Clifton wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the feedback Richard and Laing. I certain I'd enjoy a Clem, 
>> but I guess I'll never know how unique the Bebe bike is until I can ride 
>> them both back to back. There's still part of me that wants to get it to 
>> another new parent.
>>
>> Laing, please share you thoughts when you get the Bebe on the road. I can 
>> tell you it's just as fun without a kid on the front as it is with one. The 
>> extra load just adds to the stability.
>>
>> Paul
>>
>> On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 6:29:39 PM UTC-6 lconley wrote:
>>
>>> I own both, but I have never completed the Bebe build [everything done 
>>> but the brakes and chain-line (S-A 3 speed)], so not much help yet. I 
>>> bought the Bebe because of the long effective top tube. I have short legs 
>>> and a long torso and it seemed like it might be the ideal step through for 
>>> bars with a lot of backsweep. I also have a Betty Foy, Rosco Bubbe Medium 
>>> Mountain Mixte and the one and only Keven's Bike true mixte. Some day I may 
>>> not be able to swing my leg over and I wanted to cover all the options on 
>>> Rivendell step-thrus. I never intended for the Bebe to be a baby bike, it's 
>>> my long torso bike.
>>>
>>> Laing
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 6:11:23 PM UTC-5 Paul Clifton wrote:
>>>
>>>> Has anyone ridden both a Clem L and a Rosco Bebe enough to comment on 
>>>> the differences?
>>>>
>>>> My bebe has long since outgrown the Yepp Mini front seat, and I'm now 
>>>> using the Bebe to drag a copilot.
>>>>
>>>> Part of me feels like I should pass the Bebe on to a new parent, but 
>>>> another part of me wants to just keep it. The ride is phenomenal, and 
>>>> really unlike anything else I've ever ridden and I doubt I'd ever get it 
>>>> back if I let it go.
>>>>
>>>> The 68 degree seat tube angle is really comfortable, and the really 
>>>> long effective top tube puts so much bike out in front of the rider that 
>>>> it 
>>>> feels like it really takes the lead. It's absurdly stable on fast descents 
>>>> and carves corners without any skittishness.
>>>>
>>>> If I was going to sell it, I'd probably replace it with a Clem as my 
>>>> kid hauling townie, since I'd like to keep my Gus set up for rowdy single 
>>>> track fun.
>>>>
>>>> So I'm curious if anyone can actually compare the two.
>>>>
>>>> Paul in AR
>>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Clem L vs Rosco Bebe

[Paul Clifton]

Thanks for the feedback Richard and Laing. I certain I'd enjoy a Clem, but 
I guess I'll never know how unique the Bebe bike is until I can ride them 
both back to back. There's still part of me that wants to get it to another 
new parent.

Laing, please share you thoughts when you get the Bebe on the road. I can 
tell you it's just as fun without a kid on the front as it is with one. The 
extra load just adds to the stability.

Paul

On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 6:29:39 PM UTC-6 lconley wrote:

> I own both, but I have never completed the Bebe build [everything done but 
> the brakes and chain-line (S-A 3 speed)], so not much help yet. I bought 
> the Bebe because of the long effective top tube. I have short legs and a 
> long torso and it seemed like it might be the ideal step through for bars 
> with a lot of backsweep. I also have a Betty Foy, Rosco Bubbe Medium 
> Mountain Mixte and the one and only Keven's Bike true mixte. Some day I may 
> not be able to swing my leg over and I wanted to cover all the options on 
> Rivendell step-thrus. I never intended for the Bebe to be a baby bike, it's 
> my long torso bike.
>
> Laing
>
> On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 6:11:23 PM UTC-5 Paul Clifton wrote:
>
>> Has anyone ridden both a Clem L and a Rosco Bebe enough to comment on the 
>> differences?
>>
>> My bebe has long since outgrown the Yepp Mini front seat, and I'm now 
>> using the Bebe to drag a copilot.
>>
>> Part of me feels like I should pass the Bebe on to a new parent, but 
>> another part of me wants to just keep it. The ride is phenomenal, and 
>> really unlike anything else I've ever ridden and I doubt I'd ever get it 
>> back if I let it go.
>>
>> The 68 degree seat tube angle is really comfortable, and the really long 
>> effective top tube puts so much bike out in front of the rider that it 
>> feels like it really takes the lead. It's absurdly stable on fast descents 
>> and carves corners without any skittishness.
>>
>> If I was going to sell it, I'd probably replace it with a Clem as my kid 
>> hauling townie, since I'd like to keep my Gus set up for rowdy single track 
>> fun.
>>
>> So I'm curious if anyone can actually compare the two.
>>
>> Paul in AR
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Blatant shoutout for Road Runner Bags

[Paul Clifton]

Nice Joe! I've had my eyes on one of their Jammer bags for a while. I need 
to move my cargo up front now that I'm riding with a copilot attached to my 
seat tube. 

It's worth mentioning that they make bags for Velo Orange too!

Paul in Arr

On Thursday, December 1, 2022 at 3:59:39 PM UTC-6 Joe Bernard wrote:

> I've bought and sold a few of these and really like them a lot..made in 
> Los Angeles, CA. USA! 
>
> This my new Burrito Bag (the small one) in turmeric (looks gold) and pink 
> on my dark blue Bike Friday. I think it would look great on a Mermaid 
> Platypus, Appaloosa or Gus. Road Runner Bags, they're good! 
>
> Joe Bernard 
>

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[RBW] Re: Cockpit Quandaries - Friction bar ends for a new rider

[Paul Clifton]

Thanks Pam. I also think friction bar end shifters on Albatross bars is the 
most pleasurable way to shift. It just feels right to me. I'll take them 
with me and let her check them out.

If this bike works out, I'd love to send her up to Charlotte for one of 
your classes. She's in Atlanta, so not as close to Charlotte as Augusta, 
but it's still an easy drive. There are a few organizations that do similar 
classes in Atlanta, but I'd have to look them up again, and they don't 
happen very regularly. But she is in a good spot to bike commute a couple 
days a week, when the weather is nice and her butt gets used to a saddle. 
It would probably be 15 miles round trip, but 13 of that would be 
completely separated rail trail (the Beltline (if you've heard of it) - and 
not the busy part, but the pretty and still undeveloped part). I'd be 
pretty envious of anyone taking that cruise every day. She's said she'd 
like to do it, and I'll do what I can to facilitate.

Paul

On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 10:06:16 PM UTC-6 Pam Bikes wrote:

> Friction and albatross bars are great.  I didn't know how to use them when 
> I got them but it's easy.  Takes 5 minutes to learn.  Not sure where she 
> lives in GA but I'm in NC and would be glad to help.  I'm in Charlotte, NC 
> which is on the border of SC.  I'm from Augusta, GA which is only 2 1/2 hrs 
> away.  I have a 47 Betty Foy so I have the same issue.  This is the only 
> bike that fits me.  Let me know if I can help.
>
> On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 1:04:09 PM UTC-5 Paul Clifton wrote:
>
>> :) 
>> Are y'all really asking me to defend why I'm upgrading a 30 year old bike 
>> for a very good friend of mine? Sheesh.
>>
>> Of course I've gotten her input. Here's what she's said: 
>>
>>- "I want a bike like [your wife's] bike, with those handlebars." - 
>>45 Clem L with Boscos (also a bit too big...)
>>- "No way, I'm not spending that much money on a bike, and you better 
>>not spend that much on a bike for me either." - We've all been there, and 
>> I 
>>won't, especially since Riv doesn't make a bike small enough for her. 
>> I'll 
>>split the cost of a custom with her if she catches the bug and nothing 
>> else 
>>will do. :)
>>- "My husband got me another bike from someone he works with, but I 
>>just don't like the way it feels." - It's a 700c wheel bike with the seat 
>>all the way down and the adjustable angle stem all the way up to get the 
>>flat bars close enough for her to reach 'em so she's bent over riding it 
>>like it has ape hangers on it. This has happened like 5 times.
>>- "I mean, I've never ridden a bike that fits, so I have no idea what 
>>kind of shifters I'll like. I just want a bike that's not a kids bike, 
>> and 
>>that fits, so that I can put my foot on the ground when I stop." - I know 
>>that that's not a criteria for what "fits", but it'll make her feel 
>> better 
>>riding it, and she can raise the seat when she's ready.
>>
>> I'd love to have gotten her to ride it first, but I live in Arkansas and 
>> she lives in Georgia. I did say that she's ridden my wife's 45cm Clem L, 
>> and it was a smidge too big. I also mentioned that I know her PBH, so I 
>> have a good idea of her saddle height, and this bike accommodates that with 
>> some room to go shorter, so she can get it low enough to put a foot on the 
>> ground. Finding a used (inexpensive) bike that's smaller than a 45 Clem L 
>> and that "isn't a kids bike" is not easy, so when I found one, I asked her 
>> if she liked the color, then I measured it when I checked it out, then I 
>> bought it (and I didn't pay COVID prices on a vintage MTB either, even 
>> though the asking price was obscene). 
>>
>> The seat height will work. She'll have about a fistful of seatpost 
>> showing! If the reach is too short, I'll put on a longer stem. But I'm more 
>> concerned that even with Albas, I'll need to find a shorter stem and it'll 
>> impact the handling, so I may have to buy some Boscos, but I'm at least 
>> holding off on that expense.
>>
>> The derailers may be fine. I'll probably give them a try with new 
>> shifters just to see, but they are absurdly heavy and have some quirks that 
>> new derailers have improved on. They're basically Tourney level, which, 
>> even new, is lowest usable group in my opinion. And I have an new Altus in 
>> my bin that's been waiting for a bike, so why not!
>>
>> And, come on, rapid fire shifters from the early 90s feel like garbage 
>> compared to almost any other shifter ever

[RBW] Clem L vs Rosco Bebe

[Paul Clifton]

Has anyone ridden both a Clem L and a Rosco Bebe enough to comment on the 
differences?

My bebe has long since outgrown the Yepp Mini front seat, and I'm now using 
the Bebe to drag a copilot.

Part of me feels like I should pass the Bebe on to a new parent, but 
another part of me wants to just keep it. The ride is phenomenal, and 
really unlike anything else I've ever ridden and I doubt I'd ever get it 
back if I let it go.

The 68 degree seat tube angle is really comfortable, and the really long 
effective top tube puts so much bike out in front of the rider that it 
feels like it really takes the lead. It's absurdly stable on fast descents 
and carves corners without any skittishness.

If I was going to sell it, I'd probably replace it with a Clem as my kid 
hauling townie, since I'd like to keep my Gus set up for rowdy single track 
fun.

So I'm curious if anyone can actually compare the two.

Paul in AR

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[RBW] Re: Your Favorite V-Brake Pads?!

[Paul Clifton]

I like to dual compound pads from Kool Stop. The salmon pads squeal too 
much. The dual compound stop fantastically and set up easily and I like 
having the pads that slide into the holder.

www.koolstop.com/english/v_type2.html

http://www.koolstop.com/english/v_type2holder.html

I've tried a couple types of Jagwire and a couple types of Shimano and the 
plain Salmon kool stops and the dual compound v type 2 are leaps and bounds 
better than any other ones.

Paul in AR

On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 7:56:57 PM UTC-6 Scott wrote:

> Hey, Bunch:
>
> What v-brake pads are you running, and what are your thoughts about their 
> function?
>
> I've been running Shimano XTR pads and find they have a "hard" feel to 
> them.
>
> Happy holidays,
>
> Scott in Montana
>

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[RBW] Re: Book recommendations for learning how to build up a bike

[Paul Clifton]

My experience with bike mechanic books is that they all say the same stuff, 
but in different ways, with different styles of illustrations or 
photographs, and in varying degrees of detail. It might be worth a trip to 
the library to flip through a few of them and see what jives with your 
experience and preferences.

The one I used as a kid was called something like "How to fix your bicycle" 
and it just confused me (and my dad who is a competent mechanic). So 
definitely skim anything you can before you buy it.

The content I would really want in a book is tips and tricks, like how to 
hold everything just right to get the cable tension for my brakes perfect 
and what parts are compatible with other parts (like using a 9 speed chain 
on 8 speed cassettes, or using Shimano road shifters with mountain 
derailers). I don't know of a book that has that stuff, but I bet there is 
one out there that does.

Paul in AR

On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 9:08:04 AM UTC-6 Stephanie A. wrote:

> As I continue to change things on my current bike, I've realize that what 
> I really want is a book that helps me understand building up and 
> maintaining a bike. YouTube videos and helpful websites are great. I'm so 
> thankful that they exist. But my brain craves a single, cohesively written 
> text I can easily read through and turn to when I'm thinking about changing 
> shifters, selecting different drivetrain parts, understanding geometry, 
> taking apart bikes, wiring, and making adjustments. I really only see 
> myself dealing with non-fixie commuters and touring bikes.
>
> I found a book online called *How to Build a Bike (in a Weekend)* by Alan 
> Anderson with illustrations by Lee John Phillips. Has anyone used this? 
> Does anyone have other suggestions?
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Cockpit Quandaries - Friction bar ends for a new rider

[Paul Clifton]

 :) 
Are y'all really asking me to defend why I'm upgrading a 30 year old bike 
for a very good friend of mine? Sheesh.

Of course I've gotten her input. Here's what she's said: 

   - "I want a bike like [your wife's] bike, with those handlebars." - 45 
   Clem L with Boscos (also a bit too big...)
   - "No way, I'm not spending that much money on a bike, and you better 
   not spend that much on a bike for me either." - We've all been there, and I 
   won't, especially since Riv doesn't make a bike small enough for her. I'll 
   split the cost of a custom with her if she catches the bug and nothing else 
   will do. :)
   - "My husband got me another bike from someone he works with, but I just 
   don't like the way it feels." - It's a 700c wheel bike with the seat all 
   the way down and the adjustable angle stem all the way up to get the flat 
   bars close enough for her to reach 'em so she's bent over riding it like it 
   has ape hangers on it. This has happened like 5 times.
   - "I mean, I've never ridden a bike that fits, so I have no idea what 
   kind of shifters I'll like. I just want a bike that's not a kids bike, and 
   that fits, so that I can put my foot on the ground when I stop." - I know 
   that that's not a criteria for what "fits", but it'll make her feel better 
   riding it, and she can raise the seat when she's ready.

I'd love to have gotten her to ride it first, but I live in Arkansas and 
she lives in Georgia. I did say that she's ridden my wife's 45cm Clem L, 
and it was a smidge too big. I also mentioned that I know her PBH, so I 
have a good idea of her saddle height, and this bike accommodates that with 
some room to go shorter, so she can get it low enough to put a foot on the 
ground. Finding a used (inexpensive) bike that's smaller than a 45 Clem L 
and that "isn't a kids bike" is not easy, so when I found one, I asked her 
if she liked the color, then I measured it when I checked it out, then I 
bought it (and I didn't pay COVID prices on a vintage MTB either, even 
though the asking price was obscene). 

The seat height will work. She'll have about a fistful of seatpost showing! 
If the reach is too short, I'll put on a longer stem. But I'm more 
concerned that even with Albas, I'll need to find a shorter stem and it'll 
impact the handling, so I may have to buy some Boscos, but I'm at least 
holding off on that expense.

The derailers may be fine. I'll probably give them a try with new shifters 
just to see, but they are absurdly heavy and have some quirks that new 
derailers have improved on. They're basically Tourney level, which, even 
new, is lowest usable group in my opinion. And I have an new Altus in my 
bin that's been waiting for a bike, so why not!

And, come on, rapid fire shifters from the early 90s feel like garbage 
compared to almost any other shifter ever made, even brand new. So I'm 
swapping them out so her first impression of the bike won't be "this feels 
bad". I appreciate the frugality of using everything as long as it works, 
but I'd rather give my friend a bike the feels good, than one with 30 years 
of gunk in it. I didn't have any 7 speed shifters in my bin, but I do have 
a nice 8/9 speed wheel and two compatible shifter options, so it seemed 
like I could get away what I had on hand, but it hasn't worked out that 
way. So I'm in about $40 for a cassette, chain, and shifters. I went with 
Sunrace shifters so the display will be on the outside of the bar so it 
won't take up unnecessary grip real estate. Either way, having an 8/9/10 
speed wheel on it will be a little more future proof. 

The cantilever brakes work ok, and would be even better with new cables, 
but the pads are crispy and the levers that were on there were plastic!! I 
have v brakes, new pads, and nice Tektro levers in my bin that will feel 
better anyway. I actually got the levers and brakes for free to begin with, 
so it's actually cheaper for me to replace the whole setup than buy new 
cantilever pads. 

The bike IS in mostly good shape. I love the paint. A good friend of mine 
had the men's version with a similar paint scheme when we were in middle 
school. It's got me nostalgic. I honestly think this bike is beautiful, 
even well proportioned, which is hard to find on a small bike. But it's 
been maintained even less than it's been ridden. I've had to repack the 
hubs and the headset, no big deal. It's got a little rust here and there, 
some bubbles under the paint, so it's been stored somewhere dampish. But 
none of that appears to be the bad kind in the bad places, especially with 
tubing as thick and heavy as this bike has. The cables, chain, brake pads, 
and saddle were probably original! The previous owner (not the first) 
basically got a shop to make sure it was safe and replaced the pedals and 
grips. She then backed her car into a pole with it on the rear rack and 
ruined the front wheel. Thankfully the fork is fine.

My friend wants a bike! She's talks about 

Re: [RBW] Re: Cockpit Quandaries - Friction bar ends for a new rider

[Paul Clifton]

Thanks y'all. I knew there would be people on this list who agree with me 
that bar end friction shifting is really the easiest kind of shifting there 
is, but I think, at the end of the day, Joyce's perspective is really right 
on - for really novice riders, removing extraneous skills is the best way 
for a new, nervous rider to gain confidence and keep the focus on enjoying 
the ride. Kids learn on single speeds and now the learn without even having 
pedals and now they're riding younger and with more confidence.

Either way, I bought the clicky shifter and will install it and set it up 
before I give her the bike, but I may put the bar ends on the handlebars 
and let her feel how they fit in the heel of her hand and move with just 
the lightest torque and she can decide.

Joyce, I think she'll be able to get a foot on the ground with this frame, 
which is great, but your suggestion reminded me of another recent 
conversation I had with my father in law. He's 85 now and his balance and 
strength aren't what they used to be. He got a step-through ebike a year 
ago and rides it to play tennis, but he's been having trouble dismounting. 
He was asking me about seat posts with a lot of set back, so that he could 
keep the seat low enough to touch the ground but also still extend his leg 
comfortably. I don't think there's such a thing as a seat post with that 
much setback, but I think he might try a dropper post. It's going to be an 
interesting experiment, and hopefully it'll get him in a comfortable 
pedaling position and let him stop and dismount without having to do all 
the weight shifting.

As for the analogies, even some people who know how to drive stick or aim a 
gun are still pretty bad at it and don't really want to futz around with 
all that. I guess that's what Joe is saying.

Thanks everyone for all the thoughts.

Paul

On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 4:44:56 PM UTC-6 Joe Bernard wrote:

> I don't want to learn how to shoot a rifle and don't use friction shifting 
> for the rear even though I know how to do it. I think hunting around for 
> the next cog just because you can is silly, the clicks work. 
>
> On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 2:35:18 PM UTC-8 Tom Palmer wrote:
>
>> I am with Garth on this. Albatross and bar end shifters in friction mode 
>> are easy peasy as long as the parts match or pretty close. My new Platypus 
>> has 10 speed microshift bar ends, basic Deore deraiiler, mid range 10 speed 
>> cassette, and basic Sram 10 speed chain o Albatross bars.
>> Shifting smooth and easy and if is chain chattering, move the shifter a 
>> little. The new rider will learn to understand the way of shifting. They 
>> also learn the value of not shifting on a small rise and hammering a bit to 
>> keep momentum. 
>> Similar (in my mind) to teaching someone to shoot a rifle. You do not 
>> start with a magazine fed semi-automatic like a Ruger 10/22. They quickly 
>> find firing rapidly, emptying the rifle id fun. They miss the basics of 
>> lining up the sight, breath out and hold, relax, aim, shoot. The process of 
>> racking a bolt for the next shot, or reloading a single shot, resets the 
>> process of accurate shooting.  Sorry for the long explanation, but rings 
>> true to me.
>> Tom Palmer
>> Twin Lake, MI
>>
>> On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 5:07:57 PM UTC-5 Garth wrote:
>>
>>> Give your friend friction shifters first for goodness sake. Don't sell 
>>> them short in their abilities, people don't need or want to be treated as 
>>> incapable. You don't have to buy expensive thumbshifters, Sunrace SLM10 and 
>>> Falcon are ratcheting ones for $10-15 and include cables. The ratcheting 
>>> mechanism is plastic, but for casual use they work just fine. I have bot. 
>>> They feel quite nice in the hand and can be used on both road and mtb bars. 
>>>
>>> I liken this to learning to drive. I learned with a manual transmission 
>>> in high school drivers ed via a simulator trailer we had. When I actually 
>>> got into a car with a manual tranny it was easy as pie. Should I have been 
>>> "spared" the chance I'd be incapable of driving a car and shifting a manual 
>>> transmission at the same time ?  Let them shift, let them mis-take a few. 
>>> With manual shifting these are easily corrected. When indexed shifting goes 
>>> wonky and you have no idea how shifting works in the first place, you're 
>>> helpless as you have idea why the thingy on the handlebar doesn't work or 
>>> even what it does. 
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Cockpit Quandaries - Friction bar ends for a new rider

[Paul Clifton]

Oh, and HAHAHA, of course Riv has the Claris 8 speed rapid fire shifter in 
stock.

On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 9:49:46 AM UTC-6 Paul Clifton wrote:

> Thanks Mike and Scott for the tip on the v brake setup. I'll give it a go 
> as is, and it probably won't be a problem.
>
> And David, Joe, Scott - thanks for the input. Buying a rapid fire shifter 
> and 8 speed cassette was really my first inclination, but it's getting 
> harder to find 8 speed rapid fire stuff, at least at the usual places. I 
> bit the bullet and went to ebay and of course everything I need is readily 
> available for cheap, like $30 bucks all in for the shifter and cassette.
>
> As to my friend's preferences ... she says she has no idea what she likes, 
> and I believe her. She's never ridden a bike that fits, so she's never been 
> comfortable enough to even think about the shifters. Even my wife's 45cm 
> Clem L was a smidge too big; the seat had to be all the way down for her to 
> even reach the bottom of the pedal stroke. A shorter seat would solve that 
> but it'd still be at the limit. This Specialized will get the existing seat 
> down below 60cm from the bottom bracket, so she'll be able to lower it 
> enough to get a toe on the ground when she stops, which I know will make 
> her feel more comfortable. I'm even concerned the that Albatross bars won't 
> come back far enough for her and I'll have to source some Boscos (which is 
> what she loved the most about my wife's Clem anyway). But that's going to 
> be determined after she actually rides this with the parts I have for a 
> bit. She's been through like 5 bikes that are too big and at this point 
> there's no use throwing good money after bad, until we know it's small 
> enough and functional.
>
> Even so, I'll always wonder whether she would have like friction bar ends 
> better :)
>
> Paul
>
> On Saturday, November 26, 2022 at 8:01:40 PM UTC-6 Scott wrote:
>
>> Go with Joe's wisdom...
>>
>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
>> <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers_wl=ym_sub1=Internal_sub2=Global_YGrowth_sub3=EmailSignature>
>>
>> On Sat, Nov 26, 2022 at 6:44 PM, Joe Bernard
>>  wrote:
>>
>> My inclination fron your parts options is to try the 3x RapidFire on the 
>> front (it may work with that derailer) and buy an 8-speed RapidFire for 
>> your Altus rear derailer and an 8-speed cassette. But it would help a lot 
>> to know what system she's used to. 
>>
>> On Saturday, November 26, 2022 at 3:03:26 PM UTC-8 Paul Clifton wrote:
>>
>> What do y'all think about putting friction bar end shifters on Albatross 
>> bars for a new rider?
>>
>> I'm just looking for opinions since I'm stumped on this build.
>>
>> My options are more-or-less indexed or friction 9 speed Microshift 
>> thumbies, friction bar ends, or buy some rapid fire shifters.
>>
>> I (selfishly) want to keep the thumbies for a different build for myself. 
>> And I'd have to buy a set of rapid fire shifters - which has its own 
>> problems (derrailer/cassette mismatching ...).
>>
>> So I want to know - Do you think a new rider would be irritated by 
>> friction bar ends?
>>
>> Here's the long story:
>>
>> I have a very short friend (4'11" - PBH is 72). If money and availability 
>> were no object, I'd buy her a 45cm Clem and be done with it, but I can't do 
>> that myself, and she'd never spend that kind of money on a bike (at least 
>> not until she catches the biking bug from this bike I'm building her since 
>> it'll be the first bike that's ever fit her).
>>
>> So my goal is to build a bike that fits her and is so fun to ride that 
>> she'll want to ride bikes all the time and eventually just buy a Clem.
>>
>> I finally found a frame that will fit her. It's a tiny (41 cm) 90s 
>> Hardrock step through with 26" wheels and Shimano 200ES drive train, which 
>> is low end 90s 7-speed stuff. It has a triple crank that I will leave in 
>> place (buttery smooth even after 30 years). Both derailers are in good 
>> shape, but they're low end 90s stuff, so I doubt they feel great, but I bet 
>> they'd work with friction just fine. It came with junky old rapid fire 
>> shifters, so those are definitely getting replaced.
>>
>> I'm planning to put Albatross bars on this bike, so my quandary is about 
>> the drivetrain. I'd like to use as many parts from my bin as possible, but 
>> I can't decide which combo is gonna work best and be the most fun for a 
>> timid rider. Buying new parts is no big deal, but I don't see the point in 
>

Re: [RBW] Re: Cockpit Quandaries - Friction bar ends for a new rider

[Paul Clifton]

Thanks Mike and Scott for the tip on the v brake setup. I'll give it a go 
as is, and it probably won't be a problem.

And David, Joe, Scott - thanks for the input. Buying a rapid fire shifter 
and 8 speed cassette was really my first inclination, but it's getting 
harder to find 8 speed rapid fire stuff, at least at the usual places. I 
bit the bullet and went to ebay and of course everything I need is readily 
available for cheap, like $30 bucks all in for the shifter and cassette.

As to my friend's preferences ... she says she has no idea what she likes, 
and I believe her. She's never ridden a bike that fits, so she's never been 
comfortable enough to even think about the shifters. Even my wife's 45cm 
Clem L was a smidge too big; the seat had to be all the way down for her to 
even reach the bottom of the pedal stroke. A shorter seat would solve that 
but it'd still be at the limit. This Specialized will get the existing seat 
down below 60cm from the bottom bracket, so she'll be able to lower it 
enough to get a toe on the ground when she stops, which I know will make 
her feel more comfortable. I'm even concerned the that Albatross bars won't 
come back far enough for her and I'll have to source some Boscos (which is 
what she loved the most about my wife's Clem anyway). But that's going to 
be determined after she actually rides this with the parts I have for a 
bit. She's been through like 5 bikes that are too big and at this point 
there's no use throwing good money after bad, until we know it's small 
enough and functional.

Even so, I'll always wonder whether she would have like friction bar ends 
better :)

Paul

On Saturday, November 26, 2022 at 8:01:40 PM UTC-6 Scott wrote:

> Go with Joe's wisdom...
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
> <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers_wl=ym_sub1=Internal_sub2=Global_YGrowth_sub3=EmailSignature>
>
> On Sat, Nov 26, 2022 at 6:44 PM, Joe Bernard
>  wrote:
>
> My inclination fron your parts options is to try the 3x RapidFire on the 
> front (it may work with that derailer) and buy an 8-speed RapidFire for 
> your Altus rear derailer and an 8-speed cassette. But it would help a lot 
> to know what system she's used to. 
>
> On Saturday, November 26, 2022 at 3:03:26 PM UTC-8 Paul Clifton wrote:
>
> What do y'all think about putting friction bar end shifters on Albatross 
> bars for a new rider?
>
> I'm just looking for opinions since I'm stumped on this build.
>
> My options are more-or-less indexed or friction 9 speed Microshift 
> thumbies, friction bar ends, or buy some rapid fire shifters.
>
> I (selfishly) want to keep the thumbies for a different build for myself. 
> And I'd have to buy a set of rapid fire shifters - which has its own 
> problems (derrailer/cassette mismatching ...).
>
> So I want to know - Do you think a new rider would be irritated by 
> friction bar ends?
>
> Here's the long story:
>
> I have a very short friend (4'11" - PBH is 72). If money and availability 
> were no object, I'd buy her a 45cm Clem and be done with it, but I can't do 
> that myself, and she'd never spend that kind of money on a bike (at least 
> not until she catches the biking bug from this bike I'm building her since 
> it'll be the first bike that's ever fit her).
>
> So my goal is to build a bike that fits her and is so fun to ride that 
> she'll want to ride bikes all the time and eventually just buy a Clem.
>
> I finally found a frame that will fit her. It's a tiny (41 cm) 90s 
> Hardrock step through with 26" wheels and Shimano 200ES drive train, which 
> is low end 90s 7-speed stuff. It has a triple crank that I will leave in 
> place (buttery smooth even after 30 years). Both derailers are in good 
> shape, but they're low end 90s stuff, so I doubt they feel great, but I bet 
> they'd work with friction just fine. It came with junky old rapid fire 
> shifters, so those are definitely getting replaced.
>
> I'm planning to put Albatross bars on this bike, so my quandary is about 
> the drivetrain. I'd like to use as many parts from my bin as possible, but 
> I can't decide which combo is gonna work best and be the most fun for a 
> timid rider. Buying new parts is no big deal, but I don't see the point in 
> spending a bunch of money in the event she doesn't ride it much, so here 
> are the relevant parts from my bin:
>
>- Rear wheel options - 7 speed cassette wheel with good cassette. 
>8/9/10 speed wheel with no cassette.
>- Shifters -Microshift 9 speed thumbies (I kinda want to keep these 
>for another build). Shimano bar ends that no longer index.
>- Derailers - New Altus 8 speed RD. Old Sora 9 speed RD. Shimano 600ES 
>7 speed RD.
>
> So here are my optio

[RBW] Re: Cockpit Quandaries - Friction bar ends for a new rider

[Paul Clifton]

Oh yeah, and can anyone point me to the thread about routing v brake cable 
housing without the v brake cable guide near the seat clamp? Or tell me a 
good way to do it? I might be able to get away without a cable guide but 
I'd like to have a quick fix in my back pocket for when that doesn't work 
so good.

Paul in AR

On Saturday, November 26, 2022 at 5:03:26 PM UTC-6 Paul Clifton wrote:

> What do y'all think about putting friction bar end shifters on Albatross 
> bars for a new rider?
>
> I'm just looking for opinions since I'm stumped on this build.
>
> My options are more-or-less indexed or friction 9 speed Microshift 
> thumbies, friction bar ends, or buy some rapid fire shifters.
>
> I (selfishly) want to keep the thumbies for a different build for myself. 
> And I'd have to buy a set of rapid fire shifters - which has its own 
> problems (derrailer/cassette mismatching ...).
>
> So I want to know - Do you think a new rider would be irritated by 
> friction bar ends?
>
> Here's the long story:
>
> I have a very short friend (4'11" - PBH is 72). If money and availability 
> were no object, I'd buy her a 45cm Clem and be done with it, but I can't do 
> that myself, and she'd never spend that kind of money on a bike (at least 
> not until she catches the biking bug from this bike I'm building her since 
> it'll be the first bike that's ever fit her).
>
> So my goal is to build a bike that fits her and is so fun to ride that 
> she'll want to ride bikes all the time and eventually just buy a Clem.
>
> I finally found a frame that will fit her. It's a tiny (41 cm) 90s 
> Hardrock step through with 26" wheels and Shimano 200ES drive train, which 
> is low end 90s 7-speed stuff. It has a triple crank that I will leave in 
> place (buttery smooth even after 30 years). Both derailers are in good 
> shape, but they're low end 90s stuff, so I doubt they feel great, but I bet 
> they'd work with friction just fine. It came with junky old rapid fire 
> shifters, so those are definitely getting replaced.
>
> I'm planning to put Albatross bars on this bike, so my quandary is about 
> the drivetrain. I'd like to use as many parts from my bin as possible, but 
> I can't decide which combo is gonna work best and be the most fun for a 
> timid rider. Buying new parts is no big deal, but I don't see the point in 
> spending a bunch of money in the event she doesn't ride it much, so here 
> are the relevant parts from my bin:
>
>- Rear wheel options - 7 speed cassette wheel with good cassette. 
>8/9/10 speed wheel with no cassette.
>- Shifters -Microshift 9 speed thumbies (I kinda want to keep these 
>for another build). Shimano bar ends that no longer index.
>- Derailers - New Altus 8 speed RD. Old Sora 9 speed RD. Shimano 600ES 
>7 speed RD.
>
> So here are my options:
>
>
>1. Keep the old 7 speed stuff. Friction bar ends or friction thumbies.
>2. Buy a new 8 speed cassette. Use the Altus RD from my box. Friction 
>thumbies or bar ends.
>3. Buy a 9 speed cassette and a 9 speed derailer. Indexed Microshift 
>thumbies.
>4. Buy a 9 speed cassette, derailer, and rapid fire shifter. The 
>Sunrace 9 speed stuff comes out to about $60 for the whole set up.
>
> I have a new 3x rapid fire shifter for the front, but I hate how those 
> shift, and I don't think I have a matching derailer - I can test the 200GS 
> FD that is on there, but I personally think friction front is the way to 
> go, and I definitely prefer a bar end for that over a thumbie, because the 
> leverage feels better to me.
>
> Since bar ends are just such a joy to use and have so much leverage, I 
> suspect the Altus derailer and a 8 or 9 speed cassette with a friction bar 
> end will be fantastic for her, but I'd love some second opinions, and since 
> it's winter, I'm sure there are plenty out there, so feel free to make blue 
> sky suggestions :)
>
> Here's the bike before I tore it down to grease everything[image: 
> signal-2022-09-20-09-24-24-645.jpg]
>
> Thanks,
> Paul in AR
>

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Re: [RBW] The Rivendell Ride

[Paul Clifton]

Chris,
I've heard this too, about the trade secret numbers. 

It made me wonder, has anyone ridden another bike that rides like a 
Rivendell?

To me, more-or-less like Joe said, it's nimble handling that also feels 
extremely stable. It's easy to change lines around a curve, but it's also 
easy to just let the bike hold it's line (straight or in corners).

I've ridden plenty of miles on two Rosco Bubbes (MTBubbe and Rosco Bebe), a 
Gus, and a tandem. I've ridden a few miles on a too small Clem L and a Sam. 
They all handle similarly. The thing that changes is position and how much 
bike is out front and how much bike is out back. The Bebe bike, with a lot 
of length out front really leads itself through the curves. The Gus kind of 
trails behind. But both are absurdly stable. I'd put the MTBubbe and the 
Sam as kind of neutral in that respect. I can choose to place the front or 
back wheel as a way to pick my line.

The only other bike I've ridden that comes close was my Surly Long Haul 
Trucker. It was not the same as a Riv, but it was stable, but not nimble 
(which may or may not have made me like it more or less). I finally 
realized that it was also a size too big, which I suspect has a tendency to 
make a bike less nimble - think about how nimble a BMX bike is for a full 
grown person ... I traded it for a 1984 Trek 720, which I don't consider 
either stable or nimble compared to the LHT or my Rivs. But it's still an 
alright bike.

But it's gotta be something about the trail and the ratio of rider weight 
over the front and back ends. So as rake increases, the rear end might also 
increase. I dunno, I'd love to make an spreadsheet.

Paul in AR

On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 6:32:53 AM UTC-6 Chris L wrote:

> I remember reading where Grant, or one of his long-term employees but I 
> think Grant, said on front end geometry handling there are a few numbers 
> they hold to but they don't discuss them outside the shop.  Trail would be 
> an obvious one, but I've always thought it would be interesting to hear the 
> rest.  Jan Heine gets into what might be some of RBW's other unspoken 
> factors in his book on performance bicycles.  
>
> On Wednesday, November 16, 2022 at 10:38:08 PM UTC-6 pi...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Grant's 1993 Bridgestone RB-1 had a 54mm trail with 25mm tires. The 2022 
>> Roadini had a trail of around 58mm but with a 5mm lower BB. The Cheviot (I 
>> can't find numbers for the Platypus) had a trail of 58mm with a 25mm tire 
>> (but obviously few people would run 25mm tires on that bike), but even with 
>> a 33mm tire it'll still be a 61mm trail, making the bike steer a little 
>> slower but still agile. I had a custom bike built around the 1993 RB-1 
>> geometry with a lower BB, and it rides similarly great. Now when it comes 
>> to compliance, stiffness, etc., the tubing thickness etc matters more, but 
>> in terms of handling I think Grant has it dialed down and you can see that 
>> he pretty much keeps all his bikes in the same zone when it comes to trail. 
>> The longer wheel base that he's been going for recently adds alot to 
>> stability and high speed handling at the expense of packability into bike 
>> boxes, which few care about. If you were to buy say, a Craig Calfee carbon 
>> framed bike, it actually has a very similar geometry too the RB-1, and 
>> rides similarly, but of course being made out of carbon and with a short 
>> wheel base and relatively little tire clearance chances are that bike 
>> wouldn't appeal to the same people who like Rivendell bicycles.
>> On Wednesday, November 16, 2022 at 6:09:47 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> Oh I haven't the first clue how Grant does it. There's something going 
>>> on with the numbers and tubes that makes them ride like a Harley Softail on 
>>> the straights AND a Ducati Panigale in the turns. It's bonkers! 
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, November 16, 2022 at 5:51:31 PM UTC-8 J J wrote:
>>>
 You hit it on the head, Joe. Thanks for the thread. With all of your 
 experience on a gazillion bikes, what do *you* think accounts for “the 
 magical Riv ride he designs into these frames”? What makes it happen?

 On Nov 16, 2022, at 5:41 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:

 This is an edited version of an email I recently sent Grant, I wanted 
 to post here cuz I think the magical Riv ride he designs into these frames 
 is slightly under discussed..like we all know it and love it, then talk 
 about other stuff like paint and parts. My comments are specifically about 
 my custom but I've owned a bunch of Rivs and they all ride like this (Clem 
 maybe not so light-feeling, but still zippy). Add your thoughts about your 
 bikes! :

 The handling is amazing. It feels light and zippy, yet absorbs shock 
 (there's a lot of shock on these roads) and is very stable. When you put 
 it 
 in a turn it goes where you point it and holds the line until you change 
 it. It does this 

Re: [RBW] Re: Susie / Gus questions

[Paul Clifton]

The 2.8" G-Ones are OK. Not great. Definitely not bad. The 2.8s only come 
in the DD Raceguard compound, which I don't think is the supplest. 

They're just really fat and a little hard to push on pavement. But they are 
a lot of fun on the single track, and until I get them into some real mud, 
I think they're all I need. Basically, they ride like a really good touring 
tire, I think. Plenty comfortable, plenty capable, plenty durable, but not 
especially supple or fast.

Of course, the air pressure can really impact how supple they feel, and to 
a degree, change how boggy they feel.

I'd really like a 2.5" or 2.6" tire with a similar tread and a suppler 
casing. The Scwalbe Big Ones were a chubby 60mm and they were my favorite 
for a long time. They weren't quite enough on single track,  and the 
skinnier G Ones - 57mm - probably won't be either.

I really think these fat G-Ones do so well on the single track because of 
their chub, not the tread. And I'm going to keep them on at least long 
enough for me to ride them in the deep sand at the beach this winter. I 
have a feeling they'll do even better than the Big Ones there.

If the WTB Ranger was available in 27.5 right now, I'd give that a try. I 
hear good things about the Teravail Ehline in 27.5 x 2.5, but it has a more 
aggressive tread than I want for riding on pavement.

So for an all around bike that sees 50% single track and 50% pavement, I 
think these are about as good as it gets.

Paul

On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 10:14:06 AM UTC-5 Luke Hendrickson wrote:

> Paul – great info and analysis. How’re you liking the Schwalbes? I’m 
> tempted by them. 
>
> On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 9:42:12 PM UTC-7 Jason Fuller wrote:
>
>> Yes good discussion! Paul, it's neat and surprising to hear from another 
>> Knolly rider here of all places - I rode a Chilcotin (the older 26" 
>> version) for a bunch of years!  Sold it about a year ago and replaced it 
>> with an Esker Japhy steel hardtail as a bike that was more my style, but 
>> still capable of riding black / double black trails. I absolutely love the 
>> way a hardtail climbs, and rides in general - I do find I get fatigued 
>> quicker on it vs. the full suspension bike, but otherwise it's all good 
>> things - I can still ride everything I ought to be riding, but I'm tasked 
>> with a little more care in my line choices and when to elect to walk, which 
>> is healthy. I'm fully committed to the plan of picking up a Stooge mk6 when 
>> they come out next year to replace the Japhy, and put myself back in the 
>> realm of fully rigid steel bikes across the board. 
>>
>> On Thursday, 20 October 2022 at 15:24:26 UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I wonder about this exactly. If something works for someone I am the 
>>> last to question it. But, in my time off road with the Clem the long stem 
>>> and backsweep of the Bosco are GOLD! This position and the way it makes the 
>>> bike feel / handle are pretty much my only reason for considering a Susie. 
>>> I know it goes against everything that says “mountain bike” but I am 
>>> looking to get away from straight bars. Just today I swapped out a 12 
>>> degree backsweep bar for a 35 degree one. Feels better but does not feel as 
>>> good as the Clem.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Oct 20, 2022, at 6:01 PM, Mike Packard  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> I'm also enjoying this thread. One thing I've wondered about WRT 
>>> Susie-Gus vs. Clem: Is the reach / effective top tube shorter on Susie/Gus 
>>> than Clem of similar size? I have a 59 Clem L that is great but even with a 
>>> very short stem flat-ish bars are too far away. 
>>>
>>> mike
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 8:39:49 AM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Greetings all. First, does anyone recall reading in one of the updates 
 about additional Susie / Gus bikes becoming available?
 Second, who is using their Susie / Gus as their primary mountain bike?
 Third, is anyone able to comments on a direct comparison between a 
 Susie and a Clem L?
 My Clem never ceases to amaze me. It is, without doubt the most 
 comfortable bike I have ever owned. I am so ingrained to my position on 
 the 
 bike that I am now uncomfortable on my dedicated singletrack bike - a full 
 suspension bike with relatively strait handlebars. The Clem is really good 
 off road and on mild singletrack, but its weight and flexibility have kept 
 me from giving it a go on some of the rowdy, rock and root strewn tracks I 
 like to ride on the full squish bike.
 Now, I have no illusions about any rigid bike being as plush and 
 capable on these trails as the suspended bike. But I do have some 
 experience riding a rigid bike with big tires (Jones 29") and I liked it. 
 The notion of a bike that puts me in the exact same position as my Clem 
 but 
 dedicated to singletrack has me more than a little intrigued.
 Appreciate any 

Re: [RBW] Sim Works Standalone (Velocity Cliffhanger)

[Paul Clifton]

650b machined is sold out. 700c still available.

Richard, I have the non-machined, black Cliffhangers on my Gus, but not the 
ones from Simworks. The paint is holding up better than I expected, but I 
haven't run them around through sloppy mud or sand yet.

I have black finished machined rims that are something like Alex DM 24s, 
and the finish wore off almost instantly, so at least the balck 
Cliffhangers are doing better than that.

Paul in AR

On Wednesday, October 26, 2022 at 11:49:10 AM UTC-5 fra...@gmail.com wrote:

> I think they only offered black or silver in machined and black is still 
> available. I would imagine over a bit of time the color will come off at 
> the braking surface. Still nice to have some options! 
>
> On Wednesday, October 26, 2022 at 9:33:31 AM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I definitely noticed! The machined braking surface versions are sold out. 
>> The color options are cool but does it wear off the braking surfaces?
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Oct 26, 2022, at 12:14 PM, Ryan Frahm  wrote:
>>
>> I haven’t seen any posts about these so I wanted to make one in case 
>> they went unnoticed here! Nice to have another option, even if it is still 
>> the same wheel essentially. Eyelets are a nice add and color options are 
>> cool, too. 
>>
>> https://www.sim.works/products/standalone-001?variant=43492111581438
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Re: [RBW] Re: Susie / Gus questions

[Paul Clifton]

s. the 53. BUT, if I 
> knew the saddle height of the pictured bike it would be more useful I 
> think. It is complicated by the fact that I use a 2-3 cm lower saddle 
> height than a 84 PBH might suggest because I have adopted a mid foot pedal 
> position. I would love to know the saddle height of the pictured bike. Like 
> you, I like the 27.5 wheels and could probably make both sizes work.
> [image: image0.jpeg]
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Oct 20, 2022, at 11:43 AM, Paul Clifton  wrote:
>
> 
> I ride my Gus as my primary mountain bike. I have ridden a Rosco Bebe, and 
> MTBubbe, a Jones and a full suspension Knolly Warden on the same trails for 
> several years. All of then except for the Jones use 27.5 wheels: max tire 
> sizes = MTBubbe and Rosco Bebe 2.35", Jones 29x3", Knolly 2.5", Gus 2.8". I 
> didn't measure those, that's the nominal size of tire I run on them.
>
> Of them all, the Gus is my favorite for everything short of black diamond 
> downhill. I also don't jump or drop anymore (or for the time being) so on 
> blue/black flow trails, I brake over the table tops and roll around the 
> gaps.
>
> The Rosco Bebe and MTBubbe are similar to a Clem L in a lot of ways. The 
> Bebe has shorter chainstays, a 68 degree seat tube, and a longer effective 
> top tube, so it requires Bosco bars. The MTBubbe is a relatively short bike 
> in terms of modern Rivs, and it's extremely agile, yet stable. Like an old 
> school MTB but without the endo potential and twitchy handling. They are 
> both totally capable of handling all trails, and I've even ridden plenty of 
> black downhill trails on the MTBubbe with the seat lowered a bit, and I've 
> take a few good sized drops on it. It's all around just a really good 
> mountain bike. It's super agile and feels like riding a skateboard 
> sometimes, because it's so small. It fits me; it's just a little bike and I 
> love it.
>
> The Jones basically just rolls over anything without question. The huge 
> wheels really change the way I approach the trails. Which leads me to my 
> first big point
>
>- What size Gus/Susie would you get? *wheel size*
>
> 29er wheels vs 27.5 is a legitimate concern when thinking about a mountain 
> bike. I know I like 27.5 wheels better, but a lot of modern trails assume 
> you're riding a 29x2.5 to 29x2.8 tire and the size of the rocks and rollers 
> is engineered with that in mind. And bigger wheels just roll over more 
> stuff easier. For me, it's easy to let the Jones (and Knolly) get out of 
> control on descents, and on the Jones, it's harder to reign it in, because 
> the wheels just keep going. That's a rider thing, but my fat 27.5 Gus rolls 
> over everything, just without being completely unphased. It experiences the 
> bumps more, and therefore, so do it.
>
> My second big comment is about *dropper posts *- I would also like to 
> have a dropper post on my Gus, but I don't actually think it matters much. 
> I still like the Gus more than my Jones or Knolly that both have them. When 
> I get to the trail, I lower my seat about 2 cm and usually just leave it 
> that way. Short of really gnarly downhill stuff (and I do mean really 
> gnarly), I'm able to get my butt back far enough to handle it. I just 
> bought a QR seat post bolt, so that should make my life even easier.
>
> Which brings me to my third point: *handlebars*
> Riv put Boscos on the Gus and Susy. That makes for a great upright riding 
> position, but IME, they are bad for mountain biking. They hit my legs when 
> I go around switch backs and the wrist angle makes it hard to hang on 
> properly when I'm getting my butt back to go down steep stuff. I put a 35mm 
> stem and Tumbleweed Pursuader bars on mine and it changed the ride for the 
> better in nearly every possible way. The mostly straight bars still 
> sometimes hit my legs on the sharpest downhill switch backs, but I think 
> that's a me problem and not a bike problem (a dropper would prob help that 
> though).
>
> *Handling* - The Gus handling is very responsive - like the best modern 
> MTBs, it's really easy to change the direction of the front wheel, to 
> quickly correct a line or keep it from flopping over when you hit a rock 
> the wrong way. Unlike modern MTBs, it holds its line extremely well, on 
> rough stuff AND when cruising. The length of the bike keeps it rolling 
> smoothly, even when the chunk tries to throw it around, so, unlike a full 
> suspension modern MTB with short chainstay and a steep seat tube, it's 
> stable on more than just the fast descents, ...
>
> so there's *Climbing* - The Gus is the most fun I've had climbing on an 
> MTB ever. It is hard to get the front wheel up over ledges, but the back 
> wheel is always com

Re: [RBW] Susie / Gus questions

[Paul Clifton]

I just want to reiterate my thoughts on droppers, because there's a lot of 
dropper evangelism in this thread, and I know Eric isn't saying droppers 
are necessary, and I do agree with everyone that they're nice to have, 
BUTT I tend to side with Grant on this:

Lower the seat 1.5 to 2 cm from your normal seat height and just leave it 
there.

That will probably give you enough room to move around on the bike to ride 
everything short of really steep stuff.

Modern MTBs basically require a dropper post, because it's nearly 
impossible to stand and climb, especially with rear suspension, regardless 
of linkage design. They are made for seated climbining, but to keep the 
front wheel on the ground while you're climbing seated, you have to get 
your weight over the front wheel, which requires a HIGH seat. And to get 
back far enough to go downhill, that HIGH seat has to get out of the way, 
so you have to drop it or you'll endo.

The Gus doesn't work that way. You can climb seated or standing, and a sort 
of in between seat height allows that. Same for descending, you're not 
going over the bars, so you can descend seated on smooth stuff and if it 
gets chunky or steep a slightly lower saddle gives you the space to stand 
up and move back enough.

It's really only when stuff gets scary steep and you want your butt way 
behind the saddle that it's a problem, and if that's less than 10% of your 
riding, a QR (or a wrench) will be sufficient.

Paul


On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 11:13:16 AM UTC-4 Eric Daume wrote:

> A real dropper is a lot handier to use, especially when the trail is 
> rolling up and down. Being able to push a button on the bar and drop the 
> saddle for a quick slope or hard corner is great. It’s not about riding up 
> and then down. It’s up down up down up down….
>
> Eric
> Now a dropper fan 
> In Ohio where the hills roll. 
>
>
> On Thursday, October 20, 2022, Erik  wrote:
>
>> Not only do I have a quick release, I picked up an old Hite-Rite to go 
>> with it!  I salvaged the quick release from an old Bridgestone that’s been 
>> in my shed for a long time.  It’s certainly an option, but I did have 
>> problems with the post slipping.  Given that I’m not out charging around, 
>> stopping to set the seat height isn’t that onerous a task.  I have 
>> occasionally stopped and dropped the saddle with a hex key for longer 
>> descents.  Maybe I’m just overthinking the dropper post thing and need to 
>> embrace the quick release! 
>>
>> On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 5:16:13 AM UTC-7 mkernan...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hey Erik,   Sweet looking Gus!In reading your post it seems like 
>>> your missing a dropper option,   Have you considered putting on a quick 
>>> release at the seatpost binder bolt?   You said you’ve been riding many 
>>> iterations of MTBs since the 80s so I’m sure you’ve had a bike with one 
>>> before.I put one on my Atlantis and it’s great for dropping the seat 
>>> post tool- free when I want to get back a little.I think Riv might sell 
>>> something on their site.   It’s no dropper but it is helpful in some 
>>> situations.-Mike  
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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[RBW] Re: Susie / Gus questions

[Paul Clifton]

I ride my Gus as my primary mountain bike. I have ridden a Rosco Bebe, and 
MTBubbe, a Jones and a full suspension Knolly Warden on the same trails for 
several years. All of then except for the Jones use 27.5 wheels: max tire 
sizes = MTBubbe and Rosco Bebe 2.35", Jones 29x3", Knolly 2.5", Gus 2.8". I 
didn't measure those, that's the nominal size of tire I run on them.

Of them all, the Gus is my favorite for everything short of black diamond 
downhill. I also don't jump or drop anymore (or for the time being) so on 
blue/black flow trails, I brake over the table tops and roll around the 
gaps.

The Rosco Bebe and MTBubbe are similar to a Clem L in a lot of ways. The 
Bebe has shorter chainstays, a 68 degree seat tube, and a longer effective 
top tube, so it requires Bosco bars. The MTBubbe is a relatively short bike 
in terms of modern Rivs, and it's extremely agile, yet stable. Like an old 
school MTB but without the endo potential and twitchy handling. They are 
both totally capable of handling all trails, and I've even ridden plenty of 
black downhill trails on the MTBubbe with the seat lowered a bit, and I've 
take a few good sized drops on it. It's all around just a really good 
mountain bike. It's super agile and feels like riding a skateboard 
sometimes, because it's so small. It fits me; it's just a little bike and I 
love it.

The Jones basically just rolls over anything without question. The huge 
wheels really change the way I approach the trails. Which leads me to my 
first big point

   - What size Gus/Susie would you get? *wheel size*
   
29er wheels vs 27.5 is a legitimate concern when thinking about a mountain 
bike. I know I like 27.5 wheels better, but a lot of modern trails assume 
you're riding a 29x2.5 to 29x2.8 tire and the size of the rocks and rollers 
is engineered with that in mind. And bigger wheels just roll over more 
stuff easier. For me, it's easy to let the Jones (and Knolly) get out of 
control on descents, and on the Jones, it's harder to reign it in, because 
the wheels just keep going. That's a rider thing, but my fat 27.5 Gus rolls 
over everything, just without being completely unphased. It experiences the 
bumps more, and therefore, so do it.

My second big comment is about *dropper posts *- I would also like to have 
a dropper post on my Gus, but I don't actually think it matters much. I 
still like the Gus more than my Jones or Knolly that both have them. When I 
get to the trail, I lower my seat about 2 cm and usually just leave it that 
way. Short of really gnarly downhill stuff (and I do mean really gnarly), 
I'm able to get my butt back far enough to handle it. I just bought a QR 
seat post bolt, so that should make my life even easier.

Which brings me to my third point: *handlebars*
Riv put Boscos on the Gus and Susy. That makes for a great upright riding 
position, but IME, they are bad for mountain biking. They hit my legs when 
I go around switch backs and the wrist angle makes it hard to hang on 
properly when I'm getting my butt back to go down steep stuff. I put a 35mm 
stem and Tumbleweed Pursuader bars on mine and it changed the ride for the 
better in nearly every possible way. The mostly straight bars still 
sometimes hit my legs on the sharpest downhill switch backs, but I think 
that's a me problem and not a bike problem (a dropper would prob help that 
though).

*Handling* - The Gus handling is very responsive - like the best modern 
MTBs, it's really easy to change the direction of the front wheel, to 
quickly correct a line or keep it from flopping over when you hit a rock 
the wrong way. Unlike modern MTBs, it holds its line extremely well, on 
rough stuff AND when cruising. The length of the bike keeps it rolling 
smoothly, even when the chunk tries to throw it around, so, unlike a full 
suspension modern MTB with short chainstay and a steep seat tube, it's 
stable on more than just the fast descents, ...

so there's *Climbing* - The Gus is the most fun I've had climbing on an MTB 
ever. It is hard to get the front wheel up over ledges, but the back wheel 
is always completely planted and when it grabs a rock, the pedals just keep 
it rolling. Tubeless 27.5x2.8 tires just kind of squish into any surface 
and push the bike on up. It's hard to describe, but it's really wonderful. 
As has been mentioned, I also climb easier and faster on it than a lot of 
people on modern MTBs around here, especially full squish, which I'm more 
and more convinced gives up a lot in the climbing department.

I would absolutely choose my Gus for my single bike. The only reason I 
haven't sold the Jones yet is that I want to get the Gus out on a 
singletrack bikepacking trip, just to see how it compares loaded. I'm sure 
it would make a great camping bike, especially on forest service roads, but 
I do wonder whether the 29er wheels on the Jones are better for loaded 
singletrack.

My only other comment is about *terrain*. As others have mentioned, where 
you 

Re: [RBW] Your cyclist vs. motorist war/horror stories

[Paul Clifton]

In terms of responding to bad driving, I've had the best luck with Luke's 
approach, but I only use it seldomly. One time a car sped around me when 
there was a lot of oncoming traffic and didn't give me nearly enough space, 
and I could tell the driver felt a little panicked, and if I hadn't gotten 
out of the way, they would've had to choose to hit me, or get hit head on 
themselves (or maybe everyone could've just stopped for a second to sort it 
out??).

When I got up to them at the traffic signal I pulled up, and motioned for 
them to roll the window down. And they did, and started apologizing, and I 
just told them that that was really scary and that it could've caused me to 
have a really bad wreck and that I hoped they'd be more patient next time.

If I had flipped them off, I'm sure any further interaction would've gone 
much differently. They seemed like they were already expecting me to yell 
at them, but were willing to accept it I guess. They had kids in the car 
too. It could've been really traumatizing. I definitely have no reason to 
forgive their reckless driving, but I try to remember that not all mistakes 
are malicious. Trevor, your story makes me feel extra lucky today, and I 
hope your recovery is going alright. 

I think most of us know when to pick a fight and when not to in most 
situations. It's just hard to stay cool when some jerk could've killed me 
and I can't just leave the room.

Paul

On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 1:57:37 PM UTC-5 Luke Hendrickson wrote:

> I aim to appear unskilled (wearing plain clothes only) and less attractive 
> as a target (no flashing lights). I also take full lanes and aim to be 
> visible as much as I can. I would rather annoy drivers and know that they 
> see me than try to be as small as I can and hug the curb and be doored. 
> Thankfully I’m also tall and ride a large bike so I happen to ride higher 
> than many SUVs.
>
> Regardless, I still get buzzed and cut off. I sometimes feel inclined to 
> let the drivers know that driving in that manner is less than ideal. I aim 
> to calmly tell them that they scared me a lot and that what they did could 
> have injured me. It’s usually well-received. Other times I smile and throw 
> a shaka. Again, I believe looming large on the rode helps me.
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Re: [RBW] WTB: Wavie Bar 750x31.8

[Paul Clifton]

Spencer wrote me back and said they aren't coming this year. Maybe next 
year, but maybe not until some time after that. Basically, it sounds like 
it's a maybe.

I'm going to try the Seine Bar from Velo Orange: 
https://velo-orange.com/products/seine-bar?variant=36019860832406
It has a little bit less sweep than the Wavie, but a little more sweep than 
the Tumbleweed Persuader, and the price is right, so I won't have any 
problem cutting it down if I need to.

Paul in AR

On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 1:59:25 PM UTC-5 jga...@gmail.com wrote:

> I inquired with Spencer at Riv a while back when I got my set of bars.  I 
> was told that 750mm sets are not actually a thing yet but they may expect 
> them in this coming year.I tried to find the email but think I deleted 
> it.  I would suggest following up with him.   I tried to find my email but 
> think I deleted it… If I recall correctly he made it sound as though there 
> are no 750 wavies out there new or used as they have yet to hit the 
> streets.  
>
> On Sat, Oct 8, 2022 at 11:15 AM Paul Clifton  wrote:
>
>> If you have a 750mm wide Wavie bar sitting around, I'd love to buy it 
>> from you. Please send me a PM. If you know another place besides Riv to 
>> source that bar, please let me know!
>>
>> I have the narrow one, but I want the wide one :)
>>
>> Loscos sweep back too much on my Gus, and the narrow Wavie's just aren't 
>> quite wide enough for the handling I want on the chunky single track. 
>> Tumbleweed Persuaders are just about perfect, but they are too wide and I 
>> don't want to cut them down before I give the wide Wavies a try.
>>
>> Paul in AR
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[RBW] Re: WTB: Wavie Bar 750x31.8

[Paul Clifton]

Thanks for the info. I did email Spencer, so I'll let y'all know what he 
says, and I guess I'll sign up for the back in stock email.

Paul

On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 11:21:24 AM UTC-5 larson@gmail.com wrote:

> I could be wrong, but I don’t think there is such a bar. I think it is 
> listed as a possible size, and was teased as a possibility in 2022. Someone 
> please correct me if this is incorrect - I’m very interested in this bar as 
> well!
> Randy in Wisconsin
>
> On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 10:15:09 AM UTC-5 Paul Clifton wrote:
>
>> If you have a 750mm wide Wavie bar sitting around, I'd love to buy it 
>> from you. Please send me a PM. If you know another place besides Riv to 
>> source that bar, please let me know!
>>
>> I have the narrow one, but I want the wide one :)
>>
>> Loscos sweep back too much on my Gus, and the narrow Wavie's just aren't 
>> quite wide enough for the handling I want on the chunky single track. 
>> Tumbleweed Persuaders are just about perfect, but they are too wide and I 
>> don't want to cut them down before I give the wide Wavies a try.
>>
>> Paul in AR
>>
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[RBW] WTB: Wavie Bar 750x31.8

[Paul Clifton]

If you have a 750mm wide Wavie bar sitting around, I'd love to buy it from 
you. Please send me a PM. If you know another place besides Riv to source 
that bar, please let me know!

I have the narrow one, but I want the wide one :)

Loscos sweep back too much on my Gus, and the narrow Wavie's just aren't 
quite wide enough for the handling I want on the chunky single track. 
Tumbleweed Persuaders are just about perfect, but they are too wide and I 
don't want to cut them down before I give the wide Wavies a try.

Paul in AR

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Re: [RBW] Re: Nitto Basket Rack: is it too heavy?

[Paul Clifton]

I haven't used that rack, but I have wanted to. I was going to chime in to 
say that it probably has to be as heavy as it is to carry the load it is 
designed for, but then I went to Rivbike and they have it rated for only 
20lbs!? I figured it could carry more. I reckon a big bag of pet food would 
be ok, but I'd rather carry that kind of weight on the back anyway.

I suspect you can find a lighter front rack rated to carry more weight, but 
Riv doesn't list the weight, so it's hard to say for sure. I looked at all 
the usual suspects - tubus, jandd, blackburn, soma, surly - and nothing 
jumps out as a good option for carrying 20 lbs in a front basket. This Soma 
is rated for 22lbs and weighs 2.65lbs without the basket!! 
https://www.somafab.com/archives/product/porteur-rack-stainless-steel

And, any other big front rack you find probably won't be as pretty.

When I have used a sturdy front rack and basket, I've definitely noticed 
the weight and balance when I pick it up, but when I'm riding it's never 
been a big deal, I usually put it on my heavy bike anyway.

So, to me, it seems like you have three options: use it as is (my vote), 
find a smaller lighter rack and carry smaller loads in the front, or take 
the front rack off entirely and add a saddlebag or lowriders in the front 
for the overflow.

Paul

On Friday, October 7, 2022 at 7:41:29 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> I know, and you’re right. I’m just hoping maybe enough people will give 
> the rack glowing reviews that I will cave into groupthink and then change 
> my mind, decide it’s perfect and keep everything the way it is!
>
> On Oct 7, 2022, at 7:33 PM, Garth  wrote:
>
> 
>
> If it feels too heavy to you Leah it feels too heavy. We're not clones, 
> everyone's sensibilities are unique. Trust yourself. 
>
> FWIW, Soma makes an aluminum version of their Porteur rack, which weights 
> 794g total vs. 1180g for the steel. That's a lot ! They both have the same 
> weight limit, 22 pounds. 
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[RBW] Re: "adult cruiser of the Apocalypse" - Susie review

[Paul Clifton]

Lots of good stuff in this review. I'm happy to finally know that the head 
tube angle is 69 degrees. That seems about right, and having someone 
corroborate the ride qualities I've been experiencing with my Gus:
1. The handling is twitchy (for a Riv) but it's really easy to change how 
the bike handles by moving my hands forward and backward on the bars. 
Having so much real estate on the bars because of the long top tube --> 
lots of bar sweep is seriously awesome and makes the bike so much fun in so 
many conditions.

2. The very upright riding position engages the quads a lot more and the 
glutes a lot less. I first noticed this on my baby bike, and it's 
definitely carried over to the Gus. Like Russ, I'd like to get my glutes 
more engaged, so I'm still fooling with my handlebar height and stem 
length, but I think it's just part of the ride. I'm pretty sure my quads 
are overdeveloped relative to my glutes to begin with, so I'll be adding in 
more squats and bridges to my cross training plan to keep everything in 
balance. I out sprinted my fiend on his drop bar gravel bike anyway, so I 
don't think it affects "performance" enough to matter on a fun day out, but 
it could impact endurance over a long ride, maybe - only way to know is try.

The medium has an additional bottle cage mount, but I'd still like some 
more three pack mounts speckled around the frame.

What a freaking awesome bike. I'm so stoked about mine, but I don't know 
about Russ' claim that it'll be a forerunner of what we'll see with the 
upcoming ATB trend. I kind of think that no matter what happens with ATBs, 
it'll always be an outlier - no one else is ever gonna spec chainstays like 
that ...

Paul in AR

On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 9:03:10 PM UTC-5 brok...@gmail.com wrote:

> For those interested, Russ put up his review of a Susie. It's a pretty 
> good one:
>
> https://youtu.be/dhReJy0pzXw
>
> -Brian
>

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[RBW] Re: I see a thread on Piriformis. But I have a different problem, wondering if anyone has knowledge?

[Paul Clifton]

Hey Joel,
I've had knee pain for 25 years on and off and relatively recently have had 
some hip/quad/glute pain that sounds vaguely similar to yours. I haven't 
had any surgery or steroid or cortisone or anything like that though, so I 
can't comment much specifically. But I can encourage you to stick with the 
PT; it's really the only thing that has ever helped me - repeat visits to 
the same person who can assess my strength and mobility and adjust my 
program as I progress.

The main thing I'm learning as I approach 40 is that I need to take it slow 
and not re-injure myself while I'm rebuilding my strength. I turned 39 a 
week ago and start PT again 3 weeks before that for this 
hip/glute/back/quad stuff. I'm giving myself the next year to get my 
strength, mobility, and mileage back to where it was when I was 30. From 
your story, (filtered though my own experience so grain of salt ...) it 
sounds like you had something kinda minor that you then aggravated a few 
more times without adding in restorative movements.

IME it's normal for the first day or two of PT to be very hard and make me 
pretty sore, but if that persists, maybe try a different PT or at least ask 
for something lighter and build up to whatever they have you doing now. 
Also, I've found that working with and actual Doctor of Physical Thereapy 
is a LOT LOT LOT better than someone with a fewer qualifications. And 
physical therapists focusing on sports injuries may be better than the ones 
that focus mainly on recovery from surgery or others (although a good doc 
should be able to do both).

Any way, here's to minimal pain for all of us in the future,
Paul "life is pain" in AR

On Sunday, August 7, 2022 at 9:25:32 AM UTC-5 Joel S wrote:

> In mid May I had a mishap, my leg lost it’s stability for a moment while 
> on line for a light to change.  Some knee pain.  Waited 2 dats and rode 
> with a knee support, all was ok but knee pain persisted. Rode the next day 
> and my knee blew up.  Within a day I started having pain that I thought was 
> sciatica.  A bit of pain in my butt but that has been with me for years 
> after my second back surgery. New was a burning pain going down mostly the 
> outside of my thigh and also my calf. Went to knee doc, PA gave me a 
> cortisone injection to bring down the swelling in my knee.  No help.  Went 
> back 3 weeks later and the doc gave me a medro pak. Took for a week, not 
> real difference.  A week later (which means it was not from the steroid) 
> the burning stopped and I felt ok. On July 3 I rode around the block, all 
> was ok.  On July 4 I went for a short 8 mile ride, got home and pain in 
> thigh and calf got very bad but no burning. Have used ice and heat and both 
> offered temporary help.  I had an upcoming visit with my pain doc as I was 
> preparing for a RFA (Coolief) treatment in that knee.  He thought (and I 
> had researched before) that the thigh pain could be from the IT Band.  He 
> was not confident on the cause of the calf pain, knee, back? 
>
> Before my Coolief treatment on Friday I went to MA general with a new MRI 
> of my lumbar area. I have known there is a screw that seems to be abutting 
> a nerve and needs to come out. 
> I started physical therapy on Wednesday and the guy killed me but if it 
> would help……. I am doing stretches and hoping the Coolief treatment will 
> address the calf pain as I do not want another knee replacement as the 
> first one I had never seemed to do very well.  Better yes but I still have 
> pain and limits.  
>
> Itching to ride again……
>
> Any thoughts would be appreciated. 
>
> Thanks
>
> Joel
>

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[RBW] Re: NAHBS Vaporware?

[Paul Clifton]

Hey Keith,
I am not familiar with the situation in Denver. Can you provide some more 
context? Is it a major theft problem or is there some even larger issue? 
Are u-locks sufficient, or are angle grinders so common that there's really 
nowhere safe to leave a bike? Why Denver?

Paul in AR

FWIW - I'm surprised bike theft isn't a bigger problem here in NW Arkansas 
where bikes somewhat more expensive than Rivendell's get left unlocked for 
hours at a time. I reckon there isn't a good way to move them and the 
population is too small to hide easily.

On Wednesday, July 20, 2022 at 10:53:01 AM UTC-5 iamkeith wrote:

> Maybe the exhibitors pre-shipped all of their bikes and they got stolen, 
> so they have to cancel.
>
> Bad joke.   But not really.   I hope you find out what's going on, because 
> I might even be able to attend one of these for a change.  
>
> In all seriousness though:  If you're not familiar with the situation in 
> Denver the last few years, be warned and be careful!   Consider not even 
> bringing bikes.  If you do, don't  leave them unattended for even 30 
> seconds, anywhere in town, or even locked to a vehicular bike rack.  Even 
> in busy, visible spaces with lots of activity.  ESPECIALLY at the REI 
> store.  If you're out riding on the otherwise-great trail system, stay in 
> groups and bring you bike inside any store WITH you. 
>
> On Wednesday, July 20, 2022 at 12:11:52 AM UTC-6 K Griffin wrote:
>
>> Hi, all—  
>>
>>A bunch of us have been ready to head to Denver in late Sept for the 
>> NAHBS event.  The NAHBS.com website is not responding.  Their last 
>> facebook post announced the event… back in January.  I saw references 
>> online to it being at the Colo. convention center, but it’s not on their 
>> schedule.  Same for the Coliseum on the north side of town.  Does anyone 
>> have any more information about this event?
>>
>>Stay cool, and keep the rubber side down!
>>
>> —Kurt in Sioux Falls
>>
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Re: [RBW] Hillibikes are so close!

[Paul Clifton]

For real!! The brake clearance on these bikes isn't great, but that was 
more-or-less a known trade-off from the get go (rim brakes and fat tires 
are a tough combo).

I had to replace Paul Motolites with some Tektro knock-offs that were in my 
bin. The Paul's don't clear a 2.8" G-one tire on Cliffhanger rims. With the 
new brakes, I think there is now room for a fender over the tire.

I suspect the brake arm length on the DXR is the same as other 
Shimano/Tektro models, and it's probably as long as it gets. But I'm not 
sure about that. I remember a thread on here or somewhere about v-brakes 
with the longest arms. I'll post pictures of my two setups later today.

Paul in AR

On Monday, July 11, 2022 at 9:38:37 AM UTC-5 fra...@gmail.com wrote:

> Thank you for the reply. I am running 2.5” and there is maybe 2mm of 
> clearance for the rear brake. Slightly more up front. I am running the 
> Shimano DXR brake. Maybe another model would have better clearance? I’d 
> prefer to have more room there anyway. The brakes do work very well though. 
> Still interested in a 48mm tire just for some faster rides on mostly 
> smooth terrain. 
>
> On Monday, July 11, 2022 at 7:31:22 AM UTC-7 Paul Clifton wrote:
>
>> This doesn't exactly answer your question, and I am curious about the 
>> answer also.
>>
>> But as for fenders, but Riv assured me that fenders would fit on the Gus 
>> with tires up to 2.8, and on my build that looks to be entirely true. Brake 
>> clearance might be an issue though. Specifically, Riv told me that these 
>> fenders would fit: 
>> https://www.sim.works/collections/fenders-simworks-by-honjo/products/simworks-by-honjo-flat-80?variant=31657627353140
>>
>> So you can use as big a tire as you want and still fit fenders.
>>
>> Paul in AR
>>
>> On Sunday, July 10, 2022 at 4:28:15 PM UTC-5 fra...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Just curious, has anyone run down to a 48 or so mm tire on their Gus or 
>>> Susie? Bike insights shows the BB still a tiny bit higher than a Sam with 
>>> that size tire. Just not sure I can trust the site for these geo’s. I ask 
>>> because as a one bike guy, I’d love to use fenders for winter. I was 
>>> thinking a second wheelset would be nice. Otherwise I guess I should look 
>>> at a winter bike.. 
>>>
>>> On Friday, July 8, 2022 at 6:39:50 AM UTC-7 Ryan Frahm wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thank you! I actually had the green in my cart and my daughter 
>>>> distracted me for a minute, green were gone in 4 minutes or so. Really 
>>>> loving this color though now that I have seen it in person! Right now it 
>>>> just has the clear protection that Riv puts on it. I do have some slightly 
>>>> thicker heli tape I could use if this doesn’t hold up. I also have the 
>>>> Campandgoslow snake bar tape I plan to use once I have decided to wrap the 
>>>> front position on the bars. I want to try a Billie bar though I think 
>>>> first 
>>>> once they come back in stock. I think the bar tape colors will look nice 
>>>> with the frame color!
>>>>
>>>> On Thursday, July 7, 2022 at 11:05:16 PM UTC-7 mercia...@gmail.com 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> That color looks so great, it makes you wonder why all bikes aren't 
>>>>> orange.  Cool chainstay decals, may I suggest some helicopter tape to 
>>>>> cover 
>>>>> those and to protect from the dreaded chain slap!
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Jul 7, 2022 at 5:13 AM Ryan Frahm  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you! And congrats on the Gus! I plan to wrap my drive side 
>>>>>> soon. Fortunately the clear protection is keeping it safe so far. The 
>>>>>> non 
>>>>>> drive side has the graphics too on this one at least! 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wednesday, July 6, 2022 at 11:27:33 PM UTC-7 brok...@gmail.com 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This color is incredible! Nice build. I just received a NOS Gus from 
>>>>>>> the previous batch (mine is Riv blue), and I'm kinda curious as to why 
>>>>>>> the 
>>>>>>> little instrument graphics were moved to the chainstays - particularly 
>>>>>>> the 
>>>>>>> driveside stays - since folks routinely wrap the stay to protect the 
>>>>>>> paint 
>>>>>>> from chain slap. If I had one of these newer models, I would be bummed 
>>>>>>> to 
>>>>>>>

Re: [RBW] Hillibikes are so close!

[Paul Clifton]

This doesn't exactly answer your question, and I am curious about the 
answer also.

But as for fenders, but Riv assured me that fenders would fit on the Gus 
with tires up to 2.8, and on my build that looks to be entirely true. Brake 
clearance might be an issue though. Specifically, Riv told me that these 
fenders would fit: 
https://www.sim.works/collections/fenders-simworks-by-honjo/products/simworks-by-honjo-flat-80?variant=31657627353140

So you can use as big a tire as you want and still fit fenders.

Paul in AR

On Sunday, July 10, 2022 at 4:28:15 PM UTC-5 fra...@gmail.com wrote:

> Just curious, has anyone run down to a 48 or so mm tire on their Gus or 
> Susie? Bike insights shows the BB still a tiny bit higher than a Sam with 
> that size tire. Just not sure I can trust the site for these geo’s. I ask 
> because as a one bike guy, I’d love to use fenders for winter. I was 
> thinking a second wheelset would be nice. Otherwise I guess I should look 
> at a winter bike.. 
>
> On Friday, July 8, 2022 at 6:39:50 AM UTC-7 Ryan Frahm wrote:
>
>> Thank you! I actually had the green in my cart and my daughter distracted 
>> me for a minute, green were gone in 4 minutes or so. Really loving this 
>> color though now that I have seen it in person! Right now it just has the 
>> clear protection that Riv puts on it. I do have some slightly thicker heli 
>> tape I could use if this doesn’t hold up. I also have the Campandgoslow 
>> snake bar tape I plan to use once I have decided to wrap the front position 
>> on the bars. I want to try a Billie bar though I think first once they come 
>> back in stock. I think the bar tape colors will look nice with the frame 
>> color!
>>
>> On Thursday, July 7, 2022 at 11:05:16 PM UTC-7 mercia...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> That color looks so great, it makes you wonder why all bikes aren't 
>>> orange.  Cool chainstay decals, may I suggest some helicopter tape to cover 
>>> those and to protect from the dreaded chain slap!
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jul 7, 2022 at 5:13 AM Ryan Frahm  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thank you! And congrats on the Gus! I plan to wrap my drive side soon. 
>>>> Fortunately the clear protection is keeping it safe so far. The non drive 
>>>> side has the graphics too on this one at least! 
>>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, July 6, 2022 at 11:27:33 PM UTC-7 brok...@gmail.com 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> This color is incredible! Nice build. I just received a NOS Gus from 
>>>>> the previous batch (mine is Riv blue), and I'm kinda curious as to why 
>>>>> the 
>>>>> little instrument graphics were moved to the chainstays - particularly 
>>>>> the 
>>>>> driveside stays - since folks routinely wrap the stay to protect the 
>>>>> paint 
>>>>> from chain slap. If I had one of these newer models, I would be bummed to 
>>>>> have to cover up those cool little graphics.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Saturday, June 25, 2022 at 1:11:54 PM UTC-4 fra...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> [image: 1DE74431-611C-4C5D-9711-56E530A91BA0.jpeg]
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Still have some fine tuning to do but it rides great! Could have 
>>>>>> probably gone for the longest stem. Older XT derailer I had planned on 
>>>>>> for 
>>>>>> the front was a no go. Hooked up my daughter’s trailer and did a 
>>>>>> neighborhood lap with it empty, so far so good. The bike feels like it 
>>>>>> has 
>>>>>> suspension over small bumps. Really looking forward to a real ride, 
>>>>>> hopefully in the morning!
>>>>>> On Friday, June 24, 2022 at 11:21:20 AM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I use the "e-bike" Kool Stops on my Motolites which work fabulously, 
>>>>>>> but they're thick and make pulling the front wheel on my roadish fork 
>>>>>>> (Riv 
>>>>>>> custom) a pain. I may try the short gray cheapies on the front, I'm 
>>>>>>> tired 
>>>>>>> of wrestling with these. 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Friday, June 24, 2022 at 5:07:10 AM UTC-7 Paul Clifton wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Good to know the Salmon pads squeal for lots of people. This isn't 
>>>>>>>> my first fight with salmon pads on motolites, but it's the first time 
>>>>>>>> I 
>>&g

Re: [RBW] Susie's Limits

[Paul Clifton]

Hey Tim,
Thanks for the details! That definitely looks like a trip that was not to 
be missed. IMO the full story makes the frame failure even more 
interesting. It sounds like it did did it's job admirably for a lot of 
miles. Cheers.

Paul in AR

On Tuesday, July 5, 2022 at 9:23:46 PM UTC-5 Tim Baldwin wrote:

> That's my frame that was repaired. I had noticed a little extra flex 
> riding into camp the night before and inspected the bike in the morning. It 
> cracked around the water bottle boss. The tube did not crack in half or 
> anything. I was able to ride the bike to the auto repair shop 5 or so miles 
> away. I think someone else has photos of the crack. I'll post if I find 
> some. I was more concerned with getting my frame fixed so I could ride the 
> Big M trails. I almost made it to the trails on a trip four years ago and 
> was taken out by pink eye. I did not want to miss out again. The shop may 
> have gone a little overboard on the repair but it got me on the trails and 
> back home. I covered it up with some sparkly nail polish to pretty it up 
> and keep rust away.
>
> As to the cause of the crack, hard to say. I weigh 150 pounds. I do carry 
> a lot of water but the rest of my setup is pretty light. I doubt it's over 
> 50lbs with water. I've had the frame a year and some change but it's been 
> on a month trip on the west coast, two week trip on the east coast, local 
> campouts, grocery duty and daily commuting. It's definitely been put to the 
> test. I plan to keep riding it until something else happens...
>
> Nothing lasts forever, enjoy the ride!
>
> On Tuesday, July 5, 2022 at 8:29:18 PM UTC-5 Johnny Alien wrote:
>
>> It should be pointed out that no one knows whether the break had anything 
>> at all to do with loaded weight. It could have been run over by a car for 
>> all we know. (Unless someone read through that thread and determined what 
>> happened)
>>
>> On Tuesday, July 5, 2022 at 8:58:40 PM UTC-4 Paul Clifton wrote:
>>
>>> The 160 limit seems extremely low, and has definitely been pushed 
>>> successfully, which I reckon is why they raised it to 225-ish. I suspect 
>>> having room for beefy tires encourages people to really put a bike through 
>>> its paces, which may have influenced Grant's conservative load limits. It's 
>>> like Nitto saying a rack will only hold 5 lbs because they know people will 
>>> put 15 lbs on it, but people would probably put 40 lbs on it if they didn't 
>>> say anything, and some people still do.
>>>
>>> I think I remember something similar happening with the Sam. When it was 
>>> introduced, it was "not intended for loaded touring", but people loaded it 
>>> down and toured on it anyway, and Grant adjusted his thoughts about what it 
>>> was capable of. That behavior may have also led to the second top tube. But 
>>> this is all conjecture on my part.
>>>
>>> Either way, I'm not really surprised that a Susie broke, and I still 
>>> think it's unlikely anyone is going to break a Susie just riding along ...
>>>
>>> Paul
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, July 5, 2022 at 4:59:28 PM UTC-5 campyo...@me.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> I find the weight limits very interesting. Rivendell has always 
>>>> marketed their bikes as the “anti-racer” or “not light” alternative to 
>>>> wispy aluminum and carbon bikes. Selling a bike with a weight limit most 
>>>> of 
>>>> us would exceed seems strange. A max of 160 pounds implies to me a bike 
>>>> unlike what I would expect from a company that urges us to take their 
>>>> products, load a bunch of stuff on them, and ride on unpaved trails to an 
>>>> overnight campout. After all, if I put 10 pounds of stuff on the bike, I 
>>>> can only weight 150 pounds myself?
>>>>
>>>> Am I missing something?
>>>>
>>>> --Eric “Heavier than 160 Pounds” Norris
>>>> campyo...@me.com
>>>> Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
>>>> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy 
>>>>
>>>> On Jul 5, 2022, at 2:48 PM, Ryan Frahm  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I did tell them that I ride semi aggressive and would be bikepacking, I 
>>>> just don’t do any big jumps. They still told me Susie at my weight. So I’d 
>>>> imagine there was some other factors for that break. But I guess I’d be 
>>>> crazy loaded if I got over it 200 total with me and my camp gear. 
>>>>
>>>> I can say that it rides smoother than anything I’ve ever ridden, I 
>>>> wonder if the Gus truly has that sa

Re: [RBW] Susie's Limits

[Paul Clifton]

The 160 limit seems extremely low, and has definitely been pushed 
successfully, which I reckon is why they raised it to 225-ish. I suspect 
having room for beefy tires encourages people to really put a bike through 
its paces, which may have influenced Grant's conservative load limits. It's 
like Nitto saying a rack will only hold 5 lbs because they know people will 
put 15 lbs on it, but people would probably put 40 lbs on it if they didn't 
say anything, and some people still do.

I think I remember something similar happening with the Sam. When it was 
introduced, it was "not intended for loaded touring", but people loaded it 
down and toured on it anyway, and Grant adjusted his thoughts about what it 
was capable of. That behavior may have also led to the second top tube. But 
this is all conjecture on my part.

Either way, I'm not really surprised that a Susie broke, and I still think 
it's unlikely anyone is going to break a Susie just riding along ...

Paul

On Tuesday, July 5, 2022 at 4:59:28 PM UTC-5 campyo...@me.com wrote:

> I find the weight limits very interesting. Rivendell has always marketed 
> their bikes as the “anti-racer” or “not light” alternative to wispy 
> aluminum and carbon bikes. Selling a bike with a weight limit most of us 
> would exceed seems strange. A max of 160 pounds implies to me a bike unlike 
> what I would expect from a company that urges us to take their products, 
> load a bunch of stuff on them, and ride on unpaved trails to an overnight 
> campout. After all, if I put 10 pounds of stuff on the bike, I can only 
> weight 150 pounds myself?
>
> Am I missing something?
>
> --Eric “Heavier than 160 Pounds” Norris
> campyo...@me.com
> Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy 
>
> On Jul 5, 2022, at 2:48 PM, Ryan Frahm  wrote:
>
> I did tell them that I ride semi aggressive and would be bikepacking, I 
> just don’t do any big jumps. They still told me Susie at my weight. So I’d 
> imagine there was some other factors for that break. But I guess I’d be 
> crazy loaded if I got over it 200 total with me and my camp gear. 
>
> I can say that it rides smoother than anything I’ve ever ridden, I wonder 
> if the Gus truly has that same ride. I only have 60 or so miles on it and 
> it has been mostly bike path. We’ll see how it goes when I get a chance to 
> take it on some real trails!
>
> On Tuesday, July 5, 2022 at 2:18:10 PM UTC-7 brendonoid wrote:
>
>> Originally it was 160 pounds, one of the main reasons I didn't jump on 
>> the first batch. Over six foot that was a very low weight limit and it made 
>> me nervous. Somewhat Ironically, photos of this exact bike made me think, 
>> actually I'd be fine.
>>
>> I rode down the stairs to the underpass on the weekend, I wont do that 
>> again. Surprise surprise, Grant knows his bikes best.
>>
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[RBW] Re: Susie's Limits

[Paul Clifton]

None of the comments mentioned any specifics, and I didn't pose the 
question. The Reddit poster isn't the Susie owner though. I also think it's 
a weird break, but I know basically nothing about what makes a frame break.

Paul

On Tuesday, July 5, 2022 at 12:52:00 PM UTC-5 Wesley wrote:

> Huh, I wonder what happened! Reddit jumbles the comments based on upvotes, 
> so it's pretty tough to find information. Do you know how he broke the 
> downtube? It seems weird to me (not a frame maker, designer, nor engineer) 
> that it broke in the middle rather than near one end.
>
> On Tuesday, July 5, 2022 at 10:21:27 AM UTC-7 Paul Clifton wrote:
>
>> This trip gallery was posted to the bikepacking forum on Reddit: 
>> https://www.reddit.com/r/bikepacking/comments/vpan76/plenty_of_good_times_a_broken_frame_rowdy/
>>
>> I don't know the riders or anything, but the gallery shows what I think 
>> are 3 Susie/Gus bikes and one other bike I don't recognize. There's an 
>> orange Susie hauling about a gallon of water, a full front basket, and a 
>> massive saddle bag. It's frame cracked.
>>
>> I'm usually one to scoff at load limits, but I guess at some point, 
>> they're to be taken seriously. I'm glad these guys were able to get the 
>> frame fixed and finish their trip. It looks like a really good time!
>>
>> But still, I thought y'all would be interested to see what it takes to 
>> break a Susie. As a chronic over packer and heavy person, I'm even more 
>> glad I picked the Gus!
>>
>> Paul in AR
>>
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[RBW] Susie's Limits

[Paul Clifton]

This trip gallery was posted to the bikepacking forum on Reddit: 
https://www.reddit.com/r/bikepacking/comments/vpan76/plenty_of_good_times_a_broken_frame_rowdy/

I don't know the riders or anything, but the gallery shows what I think are 
3 Susie/Gus bikes and one other bike I don't recognize. There's an orange 
Susie hauling about a gallon of water, a full front basket, and a massive 
saddle bag. It's frame cracked.

I'm usually one to scoff at load limits, but I guess at some point, they're 
to be taken seriously. I'm glad these guys were able to get the frame fixed 
and finish their trip. It looks like a really good time!

But still, I thought y'all would be interested to see what it takes to 
break a Susie. As a chronic over packer and heavy person, I'm even more 
glad I picked the Gus!

Paul in AR

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[RBW] Re: Non-bike but pro-Grant: racial justice.

[Paul Clifton]

 THIS HAS NO PLACE ON THIS FORUM. 

I think Patrick is off the mark on his representation of racism (especially 
by conflating systemic racism with the personal relationships between 
individuals and the "surprise" at the fact that violent white supremacy is 
still very much alive and well in this country), but I agree with George. 
Please delete this thread ASAP.

Paul "racism is not welcome here" in AR

On Monday, July 4, 2022 at 7:20:56 PM UTC-5 George Schick wrote:

> Patrick - I agree with much that you have to say here, but I'm not sure it 
> belongs on this blog.  PM me and I'd be glad to discuss further.
> George
>
>
> On Monday, July 4, 2022 at 5:32:21 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> In his blahgs Grant has dwelt on racial injustice against blacks, and 
>> rectification of this injustice. I disagree profoundly with Grant on very 
>> many things, but I perceive and value Grant's fundamental desire for 
>> justice -- I think Grant's heart is wiser than his head.
>>
>> Whatever, I think this anecdote is close enough to Grant's interests to 
>> merit posting here. You can always create a filter for my posts.
>>
>> A good 8-9 years ago a young man began attending liturgy at our church -- 
>> All Saints of North America, of the Orthodox Church in America jurisdiction 
>> (note: not American Orthodox Church" but "Orthodox Church in America").
>>
>> He's huge; 6'2 or 3" and wide; no fat, just 250 lb of bone and muscle. 
>> He's pure white; even whiter than my father, who was pure WASP. He's now in 
>> his 40s; 20+ years ago he was a White supremacist and one of ABQ's most 
>> violent and wanted criminals. He did time and came out the other end.
>>
>> He used to ride to liturgy on a huge, rat-rod Yamaha, and told me he 
>> delighted in tearing up the roads and scaring other drivers on it. I could 
>> sense the violence and conflict in him.
>>
>> He trained through a state program as a HVAC technician, went through a 
>> painful divorce, but managed to maintain his equilibrium. 
>>
>> Eventually, in ~2017-2018, he married a Black woman, moved to KS City MO. 
>> I helped him with the move, and he named me best man at his wedding. As 
>> preliminary and somewhat tongue in cheek wedding present I gave him several 
>> CDs of origin reggae: Peter Tosh, Toots and the Maytals, Bob Marley, as I 
>> was converting my collection to MP3. The real wedding gift was a 
>> hand-painted Orthodox triptych of the Theotokos and Child from Ethiopia.
>>
>> I didn't hear from him for several years, but on Sunday 7/3 he showed up 
>> on a visit, and we talked.
>>
>> He's in KS City, MO, thriving, working for a HVAC company he respects and 
>> likes, and volunteering for the KS City, MO NAACP (which he described as 
>> largely idle) and for another, smaller Black rights organization, which is 
>> more active.
>>
>> From what he told me, KS City, MO is a lingering bastion of 
>> white-versus-black racism. This surprised me, even as one whose father (in 
>> but not of his place and time; hell, he married a Filipina) grew up in 
>> 1930s Jim Crow Atlanta, and one old enough to remember "Colored" gas 
>> station bathrooms and drinking fountains, and pickups with signs 
>> advertising KKK rallies on Stone Mountain, in the Decatur, GA town square. 
>>
>> Partly due to his efforts, the racist KS City, MO police chief was 
>> finally removed from office after many years.
>>
>> And this is the kicker and warms my heart: he told me that when he shows 
>> up in situations where white KS City, MO cops are hassling black citizens, 
>> "The cops just melt away."
>>
>> I don't know if this is because they know he'll cause legal, social, and 
>> political trouble, or because he instills a sense of guilt, but I expect it 
>> is at least in part because (1) he has street cred from his criminal past 
>> and jail time, (2) because no one is whiter than he, and (3) because he's 
>> just big and solid enough that you just don't mess with him.
>>
>> I wholly scorn the ideology that "white" people are intrinsically racist 
>> and that the growth of this country was driven by nothing more than 
>> white-on-black racism; racism or discrimination generally has existed 
>> across all history and cultures and ethnic groups; like the residents of 
>> Irish seacoasts sold into slavery by North African pirates, or the periodic 
>> resentment and violence against ethnic Chinese by the Malay majority in 
>> Malaysia and Indonesia; or the decades-long ethnic strife and massacres 
>> between Tamils and indigenes in Sri Lanka, or the tribal conflicts in 
>> modern black Africa.
>>
>> But there's no serious question that White versus Black hatred was more 
>> poisonous and corrosive in the US than elsewhere, helped largely by 
>> neo-Darwinist "survival of fittest" racial superiority ideologies oddly 
>> combined with perverted Old Testament "chosen people" ideologies. So my 
>> friend's success in life and society is good news amongst the general 
>> confusion 

Re: [RBW] To My Platypus People!

[Paul Clifton]

Hey Christian,
Awesome bike and a really nice ride! What rack is that on the front? Is is 
the M18? It looks bigger. I'd like something similar for a basket on my 
Gus, but haven't found the perfect thing just yet.

Paul in AR

On Wednesday, June 29, 2022 at 1:58:06 PM UTC-5 bei...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hello to all my Platypus People!
>
>  As I mentioned in my original new-to-me PlatyPose post, when I first saw 
> the all-black Platypus build from Crust, I was *inspired. *Then I 
> happened upon Heather in NC’s post of her Pumpkin Platy with Continental 
> Kings and *knew *step 1 for the mermaid platy would be all-black tires. 
> As I bought it with grocery’s and future-baby-hauling in mind, I did want 
> something that would roll reasonably on asphalt, but definitely something 
> more robust than the original Shikoros, so 50mm Maxxis Ramblers it was. 
>
> Today I though of Leah P.’s tire-change story and flat fiasco followed by 
> Adam Leibow of Calling in Sick Magazine and his article, “A Mechanics Guide 
> to Romance” and was inspired. With my neighbors tools and advice, I 
> de-fendered and un-Shikoro’d the platypus before adding the Ramblers. 
>
> That  done, I set out today in a sear-sucker plaid short sleave, andiamos 
> beneath my regular shorts, and bedrock sandals- Bike Bedecked with a 
> Simworks Bag and all!
>
> I picked up some spare chain links at University Bicycles here in Boulder, 
> the last item I needed for my repair kit, and then set off North along the 
> foothills and Wonderland Lake Trail. I took a gamble on some new miles on 
> “Hogback Ridge” which was every bit as mountain bike-worthy as the name 
> suggests. 
>
> Despite many a foot-down, steps walked, and pedal strikes on sizeable 
> rocks, it was a blast picking my way up and down the Ridge, then under the 
> 2 lane highway that connects Boulder with Lyons, and onto some single and 
> double track in Boulder Valley Ranch north of town sandwiched between 36 
> and the Boulder Reservoir. It was a trail I’d only ever done on my much 
> shorter, 650b x 47mm setup Kona Rove gravel bike. That handled fine, but 
> it’s not nearly as fun feeling or “planted” as the Platypus, with which I 
> felt I could totally surf through the corners and really lean back on some 
> steeper sections without feeling like I was going to endo.
>
> The 50mm tires did great despite some close-rim strikes, the long chain 
> stays smoothed out frequent bumps on the trails, and the upright position 
> made me feel much safer shakily pointing my platypus down a few rock-strewn 
> hills. Plus, being able to jump off *forwards* when stuck climbing was a 
> huge bonus. 
>
> Alas, I realized I had a flattening rear tire almost as soon as I re-found 
> the asphalt and was winding my way through a residential neighborhood. 
> Stopping to confirm the fact, my heart sank when I realized that the chain 
> links were *not* the last tool I needed for my repair kit. I’d forgotten 
> to put my hand pump and/or C02 cartridges back in the saddle bag. It’s 
> great to *know *how to fix a flat and patch a tube, but it’s no use if 
> you don’t have any way of getting air into it…
>
> Rather than attempting to inflate the presta valve like a balloon, I 
> decided my best bet was to press onwards as the air level dwindled and see 
> if anyone was in their driveway to ask about using a pump. Wouldn’t you 
> know, at about 5:30 in the afternoon it just so happened that one of the 
> first houses I passed featured a man who looked to be in his 60’s in his 
> driveway who responded to my query with a cheerful affirmation. 
>
> I spent about 10minutes or so changing the flat. As I returned the pump, I 
> noticed a beautiful metallic-tangerine Schwinn Mixte in the garage (think 
> Bleriot or Romulus Riv blue, but in a tangerine/mandarin color). 
>
> “What a beautiful bike!” I complimented, “Reminds me a bit of mine!” as I 
> gestured down the steep drive to my Platypus at the bottom.
>
> “Oh, thanks, yeah it’s my wife’s. She’s had it *since college! *We almost 
> sold it at a tag sale, but when someone told us how valuable it was, we 
> decided to keep it,” he replied. Turns out, instead of the $100 they were 
> selling it for, they think it could be worth 200 or 300 dollars. 
>
> Feeling slightly uncomfortable about the price comparison of our two 
> mixtes, but inspired by the Schwinn’s beauty I said, “Really? It’s a 
> gorgeous bike. What size is it?”
>
> “It’s a woman’s bike,” he said. “I don’t really know.”  
>
> Realizing that delivering a Riv-style sermon about the practicality of a 
> lower top tube would almost surely push me beyond the extent of my welcome 
> with this man who’d just lent me his pump, I for some reason began 
> justifying  why I was on a mixte, and that maybe I could acquire that 
> Schwinn in its excellent condition so that *my *wife could match me. 
> Retreating back down the drive, I mounted my steel mermaid steed and forgot 
> the whole affair 

Re: [RBW] Hillibikes are so close!

[Paul Clifton]

Good to know the Salmon pads squeal for lots of people. This isn't my first 
fight with salmon pads on motolites, but it's the first time I asked about 
it. I'll just swap out the pads like usual, and there will prob be a free 
for shipping salmon pads post here once I get everything sorted out. I have 
at least 2 sets to get rid of now.

Wally, the dual compound mountain pads are my go to. I haven't had any 
problems with them squealing before. There must be something about the 
shape of the thinlines that leads to the squeal.

Paul

On Friday, June 24, 2022 at 6:59:35 AM UTC-5 wallye...@gmail.com wrote:

> I'm running Paul Motolites and the Kool Stop mountain pads, in salmon, for 
> my Gus.  No issues for fit or squealing.
>
>
> On Friday, June 24, 2022 at 6:30:18 AM UTC-4 brendonoid wrote:
>
>> I have found that the thin line salmons, when working, are great pads but 
>> by far the fussiest to setup. Getting them to be quiet can require such 
>> ludicrous amounts of toe-in that the pad wont last more than 1000 miles. 
>> One trick that has worked previously worked is cleaning the pads themselves 
>> with isopropyl and then with hot detergent water. Not one or the other. 
>> Both, in that order.
>> I am trying the grey cheapy pads that riv started selling with Neo-retros 
>> on my Susie and the setup was painless, and the braking is far improved to 
>> my previous experience with Neo-retros.
>> Sometimes everything just works, sometimes It doesn't, and if I could 
>> tell which was which in advance I'd never learn anything.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Hillibikes are so close!

[Paul Clifton]

Daniel,
I haven't had any self-steer on my Gus yet, but on my Baby Bike with 2.3" 
Big Ones, self steer was always when the tires were under-inflated. There's 
a sweet spot on those tires, but they're so big a plush that it's easy to 
ride them a little too low. I'd give them 5 more PSI and see how that feels 
(if the headset seems allright ...).

Paul

On Tuesday, June 21, 2022 at 11:29:45 AM UTC-5 Daniel MacPherson wrote:

> 700cc tires. 2.3 inches  G-One Speed Light Tires. Very little tread so 
> they are quick. 
>
> So far I love the feel of the bike (very comfy). It feels surprisingly 
> light given its length and steel nature. My only issue is some 
> self-steering issues while turning, but I don't know if that's due to 
> headset issues, the design of the bike, or the tires. Anyone else 
> experience these issues ? 
>
> Sincerely, 
>
> Daniel M
> Tallahasee
>
> On Monday, June 20, 2022 at 3:33:57 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Brendon: A Riv cuddling up to a Volvo 240? That marriage will last.
>>
>> I've never owned a Volvo, but my brother, who drives 35X more in a year 
>> than I do (me, no more than 500 miles per year), and traveled several times 
>> per year between LA and ABQ until he moved to latter, owned several of 
>> these, all hi-miles, and swore by them. Apparently, almost as good as old 
>> Toyotas.
>>
>> What are those tires?
>>
>> Daniel: G-Ones! I can't read the tire size; 650B or 700C? 60s for 
>> certain. 
>>
>> If those G-Ones are anything close to as nice as the ineffably wonderful 
>> lightest-model Big Ones, then those are very, very nice tires indeed. What 
>> model G-One, and how do you find them?
>>
>> Patrick Moore, who just had a nice early-monsoon, cool-temp, mixed 
>> pavement/dirt ride on the 700C X 60 Big One-shod Matthews 1:1.
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 20, 2022 at 12:33 PM Daniel MacPherson  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Please see attached for my Hillibike. First time Riv Owner. I always 
>>> wanted a Riv bike and finally pulled the trigger with the Susie. I will 
>>> mostly use it for commuting but maybe the occasional gravel trail. 
>>>
>>> Daniel MacPherson
>>> Tallahassee, Fl 
>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Reading posts with huge photo files embedded in the text

[Paul Clifton]

Patrick,
One workaround worth trying - disable external images in Gmail - Settings - 
General - Images
[image: Screenshot 2022-06-17 093305.jpg]
It MIGHT remove all inline images from posts. Then you can go to 
groups.google.com to look at them later, if you want.

I can't find a tool to force Gmail or Chrome to resize images to prevent 
the overflow, and the image size thing is a problem in the web UI also. 

Email is actually the cause of this problem as far as I can tell. Using 
email for forums is really inefficient (software/IT-wise), and I'm sure 
Google wants to kill off Groups. But I think it's become part of their 
internal workflow, so they keep supporting it for the use cases they need 
it for (email based notification and support), but they're being 
purposefully antagonistic about the image thing. I think they're bricking 
it just enough so that people quit using it for things like sharing bike 
photos. I don't think there's much we can do except ask people to resize 
their images before posting or add them as attachments.

I like email a lot, but the user interfaces for using it as a social 
network really haven't kept up with they way people share stuff. At this 
point, it would be an expensive passion project to try to make it work.

Paul


On Friday, June 17, 2022 at 8:26:51 AM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:

> 2018 hotrodded MacBook Air 13, Big Sur, Safari.
>
> [image: Screen Shot 2022-06-17 at 7.24.19 AM.png]
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 17, 2022 at 5:33 AM Garth  wrote:
>
>> You say you* get email via gmail, not via website. * Please clarify, 
>> what is the host device, operating system and browser(if desktop OS) in 
>> which you view gmail though ?  Are you saying you* view this group via 
>> that gmail* (regardles of the OS), as a list, like you would view any 
>> other email contact list of messages, rather than as web page via a web 
>> browser ?   
>>
>> If you view it via gmail as a "list", Can you post a screenshot of what 
>> you see when you view this group as a list via gmail ? Include a screenshot 
>> of the mesages with the photos ? 
>>
>> I've never viewed the group as a list though gmail so I have no idea what 
>> it appears as !  
>>
>>
>>
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[RBW] Re: Reading posts with huge photo files embedded in the text

[Paul Clifton]

Patrick,
I don't think there is anything you can do on your end, but I might see if 
I can figure out a work-around ... Are you reading posts in email or using 
the google groups web page?

The only way I know of to solve the problem is for the poster to do some 
extra leg work formatting the images for sharing.

Paul

On Thursday, June 16, 2022 at 10:44:24 AM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:

> I have a gaming-quality, 42" monitor (used for work, so I can see 3 Word 
> docs side by side at 100% or normal magnification from 24-30" away), and 
> when opening some recent posts with photo files in the text, the text 
> spreads considerably beyond the limits of this large screen. All images are 
> at 100%, not expanded.
>
> How can I get these posts entirely onto my screen, so that I don't have to 
> shift the image from side to side to see it all?
>
> Others don't seem to have this problem.
>
> Thanks.
>
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Re: [RBW] Trouble posting help requested

[Paul Clifton]

Patrick's right. There's a 25Mb limit on messages, so you probably need to 
reduce the file size (not the display size) of your photos. The thread 
linked above has a lot of info, and if you don't know how to shrink photos, 
it includes this post about one way to do it: 
https://groups.google.com/g/rbw-owners-bunch/c/KHm7pCW92IM/m/7e4YLpdPAQAJ

Google could do a better job with error messages, but I think they'd rather 
just kill off Google groups, but too many people use it.

FWIW, I disagree with Patrick. I much prefer inline images, as long as 
they're properly formatted for the medium.

Paul in AR

On Sunday, June 5, 2022 at 6:25:43 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:

> I don't get a "can't do it" message unless I try to send more than 25 MB. 
> How big are your files?
>
> And puh *leeze,* all y'all, *attach* big picture files instead of pasting 
> them into the body, which makes the text extend horribly beyond the width 
> of the window. I've taken to simply trashing messages with such images.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Hillibikes are so close!

[Paul Clifton]

Some more really poppin' snaps  of Erik's bike up on Grant's Blahg: 
https://www.rivbike.com/blogs/grant-petersens-blog/eriks-large-gus

Amazing build Erik! It's really revived my excitement for the medium, 
orange Gus frame I have coming.

Paul in AR

On Sunday, May 22, 2022 at 8:01:12 PM UTC-5 Erik wrote:

> Yep!  Picked up the frame from headquarters on Wednesday, prepped the 
> frame on Thursday, and finished the build yesterday.  Just got home from 
> the first ride on my new large Gus and am in love.  I had a large Susie, 
> but felt like I was too heavy for it.  I loved how it rode, but felt 
> limited in how I could use it.  I sold it last December.  The Gus is a bit 
> stouter and feels perfect.  I had an amazing ride and am blown away by how 
> capable this bike is on technical single track and rocky trails. 
>
> On Sunday, May 22, 2022 at 10:44:09 AM UTC-7 hinton...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Anybody got their’s yet?
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Adding photos to Post

[Paul Clifton]

Very nice! I'm looking forward to more.

Paul

On Sunday, May 15, 2022 at 5:52:52 AM UTC-5 rsb...@msn.com wrote:

> Resized image. Thanks Paul.
>
> Richard
>
> On Wednesday, May 11, 2022 at 12:23:23 PM UTC-4 Paul Clifton wrote:
>
>> Richard,
>> When you say you selected the smallest size, are you referring to the 
>> words that show up around the frame of the photo when you add it to your 
>> message? If so, that doesn't actually shrink the size of the image file; it 
>> only reduces the display size of the image. If I'm misunderstanding, you 
>> can ignore the info below. Otherwise, try resizing the files using Windows 
>> before you add them to your post.
>>
>> 1. On your Dell, try opening the photo in the Windows Photos app. In the 
>> upper right, click the three dots menu. If you select File Information, it 
>> will show you the dimentions and file size in MB on the left. You can see 
>> my photo below is 12.2MB, which would not work with Google Groups file size 
>> limit:
>> [image: windows-photos.jpg]
>> 2. Select Resize from the three dots menu shown in the image above. 
>> You'll get the Resize window shown below:
>> [image: windows-photos-resize.jpg]
>> 3. Select M (medium) unless there is some small detail in the photo that 
>> you really want to preserve (like lug lining) - then select L (large). Both 
>> sized will look nice on a screen.
>> 4. On my computer, a Save File dialog opens up. Just save the file 
>> somewhere and add -small to the end of the file name so you know that it's 
>> the smaller one.
>> [image: save-dialog.jpg]
>> 5. If you go to the File>Propoerties of the new resized image, you'll see 
>> that the file size is drastically reduced:
>> [image: File-props.jpg]
>> 6. But it still shows up really nicely in the message
>> [image: 20180429_190258-small.jpg]
>> Paul in AR
>>
>> On Sunday, May 8, 2022 at 6:20:16 PM UTC-5 rsb...@msn.com wrote:
>>
>>> I used the paper clip, reduced the photo to smallest size. Even tried 
>>> attaching a link to photo. No go.
>>>
>>> On Sunday, May 8, 2022 at 5:07:00 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
>>>> And, oh yes, please trim your messages!
>>>>
>>>> Thank you.
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, May 8, 2022 at 3:05 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Did you use the "paperclip" button to attach the photo instead of 
>>>>> embedding it into the body of the email?
>>>>>
>>>>> How big are your photo files? You can use Mac's Preview application to 
>>>>> reduce the size (by %: 75%, 50%, and so on); you don't need 4 gb for a 
>>>>> clear photo.
>>>>>
>>>>> And O, People: Please don't embed huge photo files into the body of 
>>>>> your emails! Use the paperclip! It's easy and prevents your message and 
>>>>> every other message of the thread from disappearing into the invisible 
>>>>> edges unless you view at 33%. I have a 42" gaming monitor (for work, not 
>>>>> games) and these embedded files still extend out sideways until only 1/2 
>>>>> of 
>>>>> the message is view-able without manually moving the window laterally.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, May 8, 2022 at 7:31 AM Richard Borneman  
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Tried to attach photo to a new post. Just title, two words and the 
>>>>>> photo. No luck. Message too long.
>>>>>> Same result with the Dell desktop or the Macbook Pro.
>>>>>> I have looked at all my Google Group settings. Can't find anything 
>>>>>> amiss. What am I missing?
>>>>>> Richard
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Saturday, May 7, 2022 at 3:46:48 PM UTC-4 J J wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Echoing aeroperf's suggestion to use the paperclip to attach photos. 
>>>>>>> I've had issues posting photos using the Mail app on Mac and iPhone, 
>>>>>>> but 
>>>>>>> logging in to Google Groups with a browser allowed me to include 
>>>>>>> photos, as 
>>>>>>> aeroperf suggested.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Saturday, May 7, 2022 at 11:33:38 AM UTC-4 aeroperf wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> A couple of things to check that I have run into—
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There are three dots at t

[RBW] Re: Riding on the levees

[Paul Clifton]

Those photos are great. Thanks for sharing. I'd love to see that old brick 
road! I finally looked where Delray Beach is, a yeah, that's way south. 
Prob much different riding down there. Florida is a pretty fascinating 
chunk of geography!!

Paul in AR

On Wednesday, March 9, 2022 at 7:42:22 AM UTC-6 lconley wrote:

> Thanks for the info.
> Most of those rides appear to be in north and central Florida, where I 
> rode for 40+ years (lived in Daytona Beach, Gainesville , Tallahassee). I 
> remember back in the 70s or early 80s, the UF Cycling club (or maybe it had 
> morphed into the Gainesville Cycling Club by then) did a ride we called the 
> "Hell or the North" (name was ripped off). It was mostly on dirt roads 
> north of Gainesville. Many of us were still riding on sew-ups at that time 
> - others were on narrow 27" tires - 700C was barely a thing in the US at 
> that point. Not the best tires for the roads, but we managed. 
> I am working on getting my VO Neutrino up and running now - has 20x2.4 
> tires and will fit in the Honda Fit better than the Rivendell (which fits 
> OK in the Honda Element). Also a single speed.
> Here is a kind of fuzzy picture of my old DTT Sam Hillborne on the Cross 
> Florida Ride (note the misspelling of "CITRUS" on the Welcome To Polk 
> County monument) - This is on a short section of brick road of the old 
> Tampa-Orlando highway:
>
> [image: Citurs (2).jpg]
>
> Wheel dipper patches from the Cross Florida Ride:
>
> [image: WDP (2).jpg]
>
>  Laing
> Delray Beach FL
>
> On Tuesday, March 8, 2022 at 5:22:12 PM UTC-5 Paul Clifton wrote:
>
>> I've been following this topic with some interest. I don't get over to 
>> the east coast of FL much, but I ride around on the panhandal a couple 
>> weeks a year. I've kind of run out of out the door routes though, but I 
>> found this site today, and it has some amazing looking routes that might be 
>> close to you Laing: https://www.singletracksamurai.com/ssp-events
>>
>> Definitely not day rides, but I bet some of the routes contain some 
>> section-rides. I may try to make an overnight out of part of the 
>> trans-florida route along the panhandle next time I get down there.
>>
>> Here's my baby bubbe in the swamp:
>> [image: TourDeSwamp2020.jpg]
>>
>> Gonna be 15 deg F here this weekend.
>> Paul in I wish I was elsewhere AR
>> On Sunday, March 6, 2022 at 1:56:15 PM UTC-6 lconley wrote:
>>
>>> I have been doing more riding on the levees in the last few weeks. Both 
>>> days this weekend. Yesterday was Turkey Vulture Day. They were all over the 
>>> levee, I think they were resting - very windy. There were a few today also 
>>> - today's were less skittish - they just walked aside as I approached, 
>>> didn't take off. Even saw one deer today. I also found a bench on the levee 
>>> today, still no shade, but at least a place to sit that wasn't in the dirt.
>>> The bike has gained more parts from the stash. Ergon GP-3 grips on Nitto 
>>> Wavie bars. Way more comfortable than the Rustines grips. The Nitto 
>>> Jitensha bars were too narrow at the ends to get the Ergon grips and brake 
>>> levers on. The 26.0 Dirt Drop stem was switched for a 25.4 Dirt Drop to 
>>> match the bars. Brooks saddlebag added also. Just a multi-tool in there 
>>> now, but need to dig up a spare tube, pump and tire iron as my distance 
>>> increases. The miles seem to go by a lot quicker for some reason on the 
>>> levees than on bike paths or the road. Not really riding much faster, 
>>> though, up from 7.1 mph to a blistering 7.8 mph.
>>>
>>> [image: EG3.jpg]
>>>
>>> Laing
>>> Delray Beach FL
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: New Rivendell Shop VIsit Video

[Paul Clifton]

Using the Add 10,000 to Cart trick, there are something like 3900 bandanas, 
so that's LOTS, and if they run out this month, we'll know it's a bandana 
hoarder.

Paul in AR

On Thursday, March 10, 2022 at 7:24:19 AM UTC-6 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Lots of bandanas for the win!  I'll spend the extra on other fun stuff.
>
> BL in EC
>
> On Wednesday, March 9, 2022 at 2:34:14 PM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Thanks, Bill! 
>>
>> Fortunately, I don't think they'll sell out right away. Let's just say... 
>> they are getting a *lot *of them. Made in the USA by the same people who 
>> make the Hav A Hank paisley bandanas we all know and love. 
>>
>> From what I understand Grant wanted the pricing to be low because in 
>> certain situations a bandana needs to be disposable or consumable. And at 
>> $20 that could really hurt! 
>>
>> I suggested the fancy bandana makers but Grant said no way, too 
>> expensive. They might have also had a hard time hitting the quantity for 
>> the order. I think getting the price down was a great way to go. That'll 
>> ensure we can all have a small hoard of them. 
>>
>> On Wednesday, March 9, 2022 at 1:40:55 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> Nice work Eric!
>>>
>>> Grant made a big mistake saying in the video they were going to price 
>>> them at $8.  I happily paid $20 for a PAUL bandana and I would have happily 
>>> paid $20 for this one.  At $8 they are going to sell out fast, and there 
>>> will be handwringers who didn't get one, and bellyachers complaining that 
>>> they were overpriced at $8, and more whiners when Grant's prophecy comes 
>>> true and they appear on eBay with a markup.  People!  Haha.  
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, March 9, 2022 at 9:33:03 AM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'm glad to hear you're excited about the bandanas, Bill, I am too. I 
>>>> designed 'em! 
>>>> On Wednesday, March 9, 2022 at 10:46:20 AM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The latest Grant Blagh also pumps my anticipation for lug-bandanas.  
>>>>> On top of that...Anna doing karaoke!  That was sensational.  
>>>>>
>>>>> Bill Lindsay
>>>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tuesday, March 8, 2022 at 2:13:47 PM UTC-8 Paul Clifton wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> If the lug bandanas and the new knickers come in on the same day, I 
>>>>>> think it'll be a long tomorrow in the shipping department.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tuesday, March 8, 2022 at 3:38:24 PM UTC-6 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Lug Bandana!!!  @6:45
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> BL in EC
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tuesday, March 8, 2022 at 1:25:16 PM UTC-8 Paul Clifton wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I just watched this and came here to post it. Here's the link: 
>>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_K2UFRs_qA
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It's a great convo with Grant - a lot of stuff we've all heard 
>>>>>>>> before, but also some little tidbits and peeks that are worth the half 
>>>>>>>> hour. I really want a purple Charlie now, but I wish Grant was still 
>>>>>>>> talking about horses all the time.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Paul in AR
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, March 8, 2022 at 2:18:07 PM UTC-6 cycli...@gmail.com 
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Russ at Path Less Pedaled posted a new YouTube video of his recent 
>>>>>>>>> visit to Riv HQ and Grant Peterson.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>

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[RBW] Re: New Rivendell Shop VIsit Video

[Paul Clifton]

If the lug bandanas and the new knickers come in on the same day, I think 
it'll be a long tomorrow in the shipping department.

On Tuesday, March 8, 2022 at 3:38:24 PM UTC-6 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Lug Bandana!!!  @6:45
>
> BL in EC
>
> On Tuesday, March 8, 2022 at 1:25:16 PM UTC-8 Paul Clifton wrote:
>
>> I just watched this and came here to post it. Here's the link: 
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_K2UFRs_qA
>>
>> It's a great convo with Grant - a lot of stuff we've all heard before, 
>> but also some little tidbits and peeks that are worth the half hour. I 
>> really want a purple Charlie now, but I wish Grant was still talking about 
>> horses all the time.
>>
>> Paul in AR
>>
>> On Tuesday, March 8, 2022 at 2:18:07 PM UTC-6 cycli...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Russ at Path Less Pedaled posted a new YouTube video of his recent visit 
>>> to Riv HQ and Grant Peterson.
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: New Rivendell Shop VIsit Video

[Paul Clifton]

I just watched this and came here to post it. Here's the link: 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_K2UFRs_qA

It's a great convo with Grant - a lot of stuff we've all heard before, but 
also some little tidbits and peeks that are worth the half hour. I really 
want a purple Charlie now, but I wish Grant was still talking about horses 
all the time.

Paul in AR

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> Russ at Path Less Pedaled posted a new YouTube video of his recent visit 
> to Riv HQ and Grant Peterson.

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[RBW] Re: "Riding-a-bicycle Zen"

[Paul Clifton]

I agree, John. And I think there is something in particular about Rivendell 
bicycles, that encourage it, for me. Some people may find it freeriding 
machine built flow trails, but, here, what we all have in common is a an 
appreciation of the ineffable ride quality and a connection to the 
aesthetic experience of owning and riding Rivendell bicycles. For me at 
least, the thing that makes a particular bike good for Just Riding is 
probably what makes it good as part of an "activity that does not require 
much discursive thought," as Watts put it.

Thanks for sharing the talk.

Paul

On Monday, February 14, 2022 at 6:24:07 PM UTC-6 John Rinker wrote:

> I hear you on the 'consistent practice' notion, Paul. This is why I find 
> cycling such a wonderful medium. I enjoy it, it's something I don't really 
> need to motivate myself to do, and I do it every day. As long as I'm 
> sitting on the bike, I might as well breathe and enjoy my surroundings. 
>
> Cheers,
> John
>
> On Tuesday, February 15, 2022 at 9:12:21 AM UTC+9 John Rinker wrote:
>
>> Hey Joe, Your point is well received, and I do appreciate that we all 
>> ride in our own ways and for our own reasons. I'm delighted to have a forum 
>> like this to learn about how others do so. 
>>
>> Perhaps a better title for this post would have been: 'Breathing, 
>> attention and other practices that enhance your ride' 
>>
>> Cheers,
>> John
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, February 15, 2022 at 8:58:12 AM UTC+9 Paul Clifton wrote:
>>
>>> I don't have a lot to add, but since I think about this kind of a lot, 
>>> I'll add my experience, but try to keep it short. I often recite/perform 
>>> Thich Nhat Hahn's breathing poem when I ride: "In/Out, Deep/Slow, 
>>> Calm/Ease, Smile/Release, Present Moment/Wonderful Moment". I've never been 
>>> big on listening to teachers, so I never got into Zen or any other sort of 
>>> formal practice, but I did take a bunch of psychedelics with friends who 
>>> enjoyed talking about the nature of reality as much as I did, and ended up 
>>> having some conversations with Buddhist teachers about following the path 
>>> of the Buddha or finding one's own path. For me, many different experiences 
>>> have led to me to where I am now, and cycling has been an important one - 
>>> along with love and drugs.
>>>
>>> But after all of that, I find that without some sort of consistent 
>>> practice, maintaining presence in my day-to-day life is a real struggle, 
>>> exacerbated by the typical responsibilities of middle age. It may not 
>>> matter how I practice, but doing it every day, one way or another, with 
>>> intention, seems to be important. Inconsistency aside, maybe this is the 
>>> year for a real bicycle day blowout.
>>>
>>> Paul in AR
>>>
>>> On Monday, February 14, 2022 at 11:54:02 AM UTC-6 duh...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I appreciate the sentiment of this topic and am now on the hunt at 
>>>> local book shops for a couple different titles.
>>>>
>>>> The Stanford Baccalaureate speech has been replayed a handful of times 
>>>> already, so thanks for that Erik.
>>>>
>>>> I'd also like to throw into the ring The Pocket Thich Nhat Hahn 
>>>> <https://www.shambhala.com/the-pocket-thich-nhat-hanh-2093.html>, this 
>>>> compact book covers the basics and fits in just about anywhere with ease, 
>>>> including your saddlebag.
>>>>
>>>> It's covers the basics and is very palatable, 10/10 worth keeping a 
>>>> copy around.
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>> Jared
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Monday, February 14, 2022 at 7:26:41 AM UTC-8 robkr...@gmail.com 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Erik,
>>>>> +1 on thanks for your thorough response. 
>>>>>
>>>>> We (cyclists, not necessarily this group) don't talk nearly enough 
>>>>> about the spiritual component of cycling, so thanks to John for starting 
>>>>> this thread. 
>>>>>
>>>>> Rob K. in MA
>>>>>
>>>>> On Monday, February 14, 2022 at 9:01:54 AM UTC-5 philipr...@gmail.com 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Before you ride off to the unexpected, I ordered Fischer's book on 
>>>>>> the most un-Zen like Amazon as my local library apparently don't have 
>>>>>> this 
>>>>>> title. Thanks fo

[RBW] Re: Twine Wrapping

[Paul Clifton]

Maybe this video helps, starting at 2:40 or so: 
https://www.rivbike.com/pages/handlebar-wrap-and-twine-finish?_pos=3&_sid=0cba5b582&_ss=r

Paul in AR

On Monday, February 14, 2022 at 6:00:27 PM UTC-6 campyo...@me.com wrote:

> Where can I find instructions on using twine, Riv-style, to finish off my 
> handlebar tape? I have the twine, but not the knowledge … 
>
> --Eric Norris
> campyo...@me.com
> Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy 
>
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[RBW] Re: "Riding-a-bicycle Zen"

[Paul Clifton]

I don't have a lot to add, but since I think about this kind of a lot, I'll 
add my experience, but try to keep it short. I often recite/perform Thich 
Nhat Hahn's breathing poem when I ride: "In/Out, Deep/Slow, Calm/Ease, 
Smile/Release, Present Moment/Wonderful Moment". I've never been big on 
listening to teachers, so I never got into Zen or any other sort of formal 
practice, but I did take a bunch of psychedelics with friends who enjoyed 
talking about the nature of reality as much as I did, and ended up having 
some conversations with Buddhist teachers about following the path of the 
Buddha or finding one's own path. For me, many different experiences have 
led to me to where I am now, and cycling has been an important one - along 
with love and drugs.

But after all of that, I find that without some sort of consistent 
practice, maintaining presence in my day-to-day life is a real struggle, 
exacerbated by the typical responsibilities of middle age. It may not 
matter how I practice, but doing it every day, one way or another, with 
intention, seems to be important. Inconsistency aside, maybe this is the 
year for a real bicycle day blowout.

Paul in AR

On Monday, February 14, 2022 at 11:54:02 AM UTC-6 duh...@gmail.com wrote:

> I appreciate the sentiment of this topic and am now on the hunt at local 
> book shops for a couple different titles.
>
> The Stanford Baccalaureate speech has been replayed a handful of times 
> already, so thanks for that Erik.
>
> I'd also like to throw into the ring The Pocket Thich Nhat Hahn 
> , this 
> compact book covers the basics and fits in just about anywhere with ease, 
> including your saddlebag.
>
> It's covers the basics and is very palatable, 10/10 worth keeping a copy 
> around.
>
> Best,
> Jared
>
>
> On Monday, February 14, 2022 at 7:26:41 AM UTC-8 robkr...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Erik,
>> +1 on thanks for your thorough response. 
>>
>> We (cyclists, not necessarily this group) don't talk nearly enough about 
>> the spiritual component of cycling, so thanks to John for starting this 
>> thread. 
>>
>> Rob K. in MA
>>
>> On Monday, February 14, 2022 at 9:01:54 AM UTC-5 philipr...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Before you ride off to the unexpected, I ordered Fischer's book on the 
>>> most un-Zen like Amazon as my local library apparently don't have this 
>>> title. Thanks for the recommendations.
>>>
>>> On Sunday, February 13, 2022 at 4:23:52 PM UTC-6 John Rinker wrote:
>>>
 "And now that I'm completely off the topic of bikes, I'll stop before 
 my posts get pulled!"

 Often the most enjoyable rides are the ones that take us to unexpected 
 places. 

 Cheers,
 John

 On Monday, February 14, 2022 at 2:35:49 AM UTC+9 Erik wrote:

> The best equivalent to that would be the book that introduced a lot of 
> people to Soto Zen, "Zen Mind, Beginner's Mind" a collection of talks by 
> Shunryu Suzuki-roshi, the founder of the San Francisco Zen Center.  The 
> book is a transcription of lectures and talks he gave at the Zen Center 
> over the years and starts with the line, "In the beginner's mind there 
> are 
> many possibilities, but in the expert's mind there are few."  
>
> A few others I would recommend for their direct style and plain talk:
> - "What is Zen" by Norman Fischer and Susan Moon. Just published a few 
> years ago, but a great introduction.  And Norman Fischer is a fantastic 
> writer and teacher.  
> -"No Beginning, No End" by my teacher, Kwong-roshi.  He was part of 
> the original group of students at SF Zen Center. The book is a great 
> reflection of his personality.  I can see him rolling his eyes at me for 
> writing these lengthy responses about Zen.  He frequently chides me for 
> living too much in my head.  :)
>
> If you want to hear / watch a talk, I always like to recommend this 
> one because it was written for a lay audience and connects the principles 
> of Zen with ordinary life.  It's Zoketsu Norman Fischer giving the 
> graduation speech at Stanford in 2014.  
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hN9p__BHHDs
>
> And now that I'm completely off the topic of bikes, I'll stop before 
> my posts get pulled!
>   
>
> On Sunday, February 13, 2022 at 6:48:17 AM UTC-8 philipr...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I'm learning so much here - is there an equivalent of Grant's "Just 
>> Ride" for Zen?
>>
>> On Sunday, February 13, 2022 at 2:08:51 AM UTC-6 John Rinker wrote:
>>
>>> What a pleasure it was to read of your experience, Erik! Much of 
>>> what you wrote resonates deeply with me. Perhaps this is because we 
>>> share 
>>> something of a history with San Francisco Zen Center and a particular 
>>> approach to both Zen and riding a bike. 
>>>
>>> My formative experiences 

[RBW] WTB: Large MUSA Knickers (recent model)

[Paul Clifton]

If anyone bought the large MUSA knickers from the last release and doesn't 
want to keep them, I'd like to buy them. Please send me a PM.

I'm 5'9", 220lb and the XL is, to my surprise, too big. Vanity waist is 
right! Anyway, they're loose but I love 'em, and I'm not ready to make a 
1-to-1 trade, but I'd really like to try a large. FWIW - The XL MUSA pants 
are a hair too small on me.

I'll definitely be buying at least another pair when the next shipment 
comes in. These are probably going to be my favorite pants of my adult life 
so far (up there with my green levi's corduroys I wore from when i was 12 
to 22).

I'd consider an XL in the older model knicker too, but I think I like the 
new ones more.

Paul in AR

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[RBW] Re: Velotaxonomy: What are we, anyway?

[Paul Clifton]

Like most people have said, you may get some looks, but if you ride like 
you know what you're doing, everyone will soften up really quickly.

Groups can all be really different, so if you show up and the vibe's not 
fun - then ditch the ride and go lone wolf and try again when you feel like 
it with a different group. Don't get discouraged if the first group isn't 
for you. I have peeled off after 5 miles so many times it feels like a joke 
now. Whether it's a group I just don't want to stay with or maybe I'm just 
not feeling like doing a climb, I just say "Hey, I'm ditching. Don't worry. 
I know my way home and have tools. Thanks for the ride. I'll see you 
around." Everyone has always said "Have fun, see ya later" and been totally 
cool with it and not offended or anything.

You can almost certainly keep up with any "no-drop" ride. They tend to 
stick to 15-18 mph or slower, with stops to regroup at major turns, if 
needed. They also tend to exist to get newer riders more comfortable with 
group riding, so you're bound to find one you like. I think you'd find an 
average speed of less than 13mph really slow, but that's just a guesstimate.

The training rides and drop rides will frequently post an average speed, 
and if not, someone familiar with the scene will know, but expect 18-20+ 
mph average for roadies on a training ride.

More than likely though, I suspect you'll be surprised at how fit you are 
compared to others on the rides. When you "just ride" most of the time, it 
turns out it keeps you fit enough to keep up with most cyclists. It's only 
the ones who commit themselves to speed and strength that will actually be 
stronger and faster than you, and there really aren't THAT many of those 
guys in any given town. 

Everyone else is just riding with more steps (clothes, groups, trackers, 
etc.).

You won't find anything advertised as a "country ride" or whatever though. 
You'll just have to look at route maps and pick something that seems 
appealing. 

As for large organized rides - they are usually ride-your-own-ride, and 
you'll meet and cruise with a ton of people over the course of the day. No 
need to worry about the group dynamics as long as you can cover the 
distance in the allotted time.

Paul in AR

P.S. I just call myself a cyclist. Or a cycling enthusiast. That helps 
convince people that I know more about my bikes than they do and that they 
should go on a ride with me and see if it's fun. It's usually fun, except 
when I take roadies on single track - they hate that. :)


On Monday, January 17, 2022 at 8:31:09 AM UTC-6 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> [image: 0168267B-AB4E-4252-B2D2-09FC827BCB73.jpeg]We recently moved to SW 
> Michigan. I was a total Lone Wolf (borrowing from Eben Weiss, The Bike 
> Snob) in Vegas but I dream of having Real Life Bike Friends here. This List 
> has really been a gift to me, but it has also made me want more: I want 
>  REAL people and REAL experiences with them. I have found a shop that hosts 
> rides of various kinds 9 months out of the year. There is hope!
>
> The trouble is: I don’t know what I am, and neither does anyone else. 
>
> I have never done a group ride. I don’t know how fast or slow I am, and I 
> don’t know how far I can go. I don’t know etiquette or what would tick off 
> other riders in the group. (My “group rides” were with my 2 sons on the way 
> to school. And it’s true that you learn a rhythm that works for your group 
> and on the rare occasion my husband got included, he made us all nervous.) 
> I would like to have a good first experience and not be a drag for a group. 
> I think failure would send me right back into Lone Wolfdom. I suppose I 
> will just have to risk it.
>
> When I say I ride, everyone thinks Roadie, and then they think of their 
> friend who is also a Roadie and want to plan a meeting for us. Now, I doubt 
> I’m going to keep up with a group of road bikes on my Platypus. When I say 
> I don’t have a road bike, the person will say, “Oh, you like to mountain 
> bike!” When I try to explain, try to say what it is that I ride, I don’t 
> have words. If I admit I don’t have a road bike or mountain bike people 
> assume hybrid bike from big box store = not a serious rider. I don’t know 
> what I am. I don’t know what “we” are. Where do bikes like ours fit? Who do 
> we ride with?
>
> In looking at local events online, it seems there are Roadies and there 
> are Gravel Kings (my own term). If I roll up on my fendered, raspberry 
> sparkle Platypus, both groups will be uncomfortable. 
>
> My shop did mention some community rides, and those I will try, though I 
> suspect they might be short and slow for my taste. There are some very 
> exciting events state-wide here, but they do seem to be geared to road 
> bikers. I admit that I know very little about bike culture here, and 
> talking to real people might open up a lot of possibilities. Where are 
> these people I can talk to?!
>
> The locals tell me spring 

[RBW] Re: Rivendell Inventory

[Paul Clifton]

This response may sound a little harsh, but I don't mean to be harsh. It's 
a frustrating situation for all these days and a bummer when it's hard to 
buy things we want.
---
Along with what others are saying, it probably also has to do with what 
they can get right now. They order MUSA clothing from a small shop in New 
Hampshire (I think). That shop has multiple customers, and some production 
capacity to balance, and who knows what the raw materials and labor 
situation there is. QBP can't even keep hubs in stock. How is Riv going to 
get any priority from suppliers when their order quantities are fractions 
of most companies?

Combine that with increased demand - for lots of good reasons in Rivs case 
- their products and brand are becoming more and more well known and 
desirable - and you end up with out of stock stuff. It's a bummer, but I 
don't think Riv can do too much about it - otherwise they'd be selling more 
bikes and employing more people.

And when Riv does stock up on stuff (like they did for the retail store), 
it ends up sitting on the shelves and putting them in a tough spot. It's a 
damned if you do, damned if you don't situation, so IMO choosing "don't" 
has a lot of supporting arguments.

Will's restock emails are an interesting peak into how often they get 
orders from different suppliers, and stuff just doesn't seem to be rolling 
in frequently or in large quantities.

Paul in AR

On Wednesday, January 5, 2022 at 8:04:32 PM UTC-6 Doug H. wrote:

> Covid has wreaked havoc on the bicycle industry as well as many others. 
> Supply Chain is the latest phrase we all know too well these days. But, 
> Rivendell needs in my humble non-business owner opinion to buy more 
> inventory. I seem to remember they like to pay for all purchases without 
> using a credit line and that seems reasonable at first thought. But, I 
> think they would increase sales to a large extent if they would bring in 
> more product. A case in point are the knickers that went up for sale and 
> sold out in two days! Brass headset spacers are rarely available. The list 
> goes on.
>
> Just a thought I had as I was ready to buy a pair of knickers to no avail.
> Doug
> Athens, Ga
>

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[RBW] Re: Rosco Platypus = Joe's Custom

[Paul Clifton]

FWIW - The seat post clamp is reversed on the baby bikes.

The seat tube angle on the baby bike is 68 degrees though, so I thought it 
had something to do with taking the metal out of the seat tube on the side 
that doesn't have all that pressure on it.

Paul in AR

On Sunday, January 2, 2022 at 4:57:22 PM UTC-6 Garth wrote:

> Yes it's likely the sp clamp is for the protos only as they do odd things 
> with protos sometimes. The canti was mentioned in the Dec 10 blahg. Here it 
> is in all it's brevity.  
>
> *Here are some things we're working on. You may be familiar with some, but 
> probably not all:*
>
> *4. Two V-brakes. We need only one, but in the interest of more than one 
> iron in the fire, we're working on two, with two different people and 
> places. Discs are taking over, but we're all firm V-brake fans, except for 
> Mark, who can't give up his cantilevers for his personal bikes, but admits 
> that V-brakes are really good.*
>
> *4. One cantilever brake. Started it along time ago. It's easy enough to 
> keep going. I wish we had control over it, but we don*'t.
>
>
> On Sunday, January 2, 2022 at 2:07:37 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> I have not heard anyone from Riv say the front-facing clamp bolt is to 
>> discourage cantis. I'm also unaware of a Riv canti being worked on although 
>> it's possible I've forgotten, they're planning a v-brake. 
>>
>> One nice thing about this positioning is the bolt is easier to get to 
>> with a saddlebag in place. I'm a notorious saddle height fiddler and am 
>> constantly fighting bags to squeeze my wrench in there. 
>>
>> Joe Bernard
>>
>> On Friday, December 31, 2021 at 11:03:20 AM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> I love the red one. The world needs more red Rivs! 
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, December 31, 2021 at 6:10:55 AM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>>> Ding! wrote:
>>>
 I totally see it - Joe, weren’t you saying “My bike is so good it 
 should be a production bike”? Well, here it is! A budget version, 
 admittedly. Did anyone else look at the images and wonder what possessed 
 Riv to do such wild, fun colors? Maybe they feel they can let loose with 
 the Rosco models? They are always such careful color choosers but this 
 time 
 they really went for it. Fun!

 On Thursday, December 30, 2021 at 11:13:39 PM UTC-5 iamkeith wrote:

> Funny that people have been saying "that's the way a bike should 
> ride."  To me, that's the way a bike should LOOK.
>
> On Thursday, December 30, 2021 at 6:31:54 PM UTC-7 Pancake wrote:
>
>> [image: FFE75BBA-C1CD-43D3-A68A-0EE834D94A86.png]
>> Fun with a photo overlay with Joe’s custom. 
>>
>> On Thursday, 30 December 2021 at 14:32:27 UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> That's my bike! Stouter tubing, drop the lugs and fancy paint and 
>>> you're there. I dig it! 
>>>
>>> Joe Bernard
>>>
>>> On Thursday, December 30, 2021 at 2:02:27 PM UTC-8 Doug H. wrote:
>>>
 To my eye the new Rosco Platypus resembles Joe B.'s custom bike and 
 both look excellent!
 Doug[image: unnamed.jpg]

>>>

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[RBW] Re: A Pumpkin Platypus, Perchance?

[Paul Clifton]

Wow, that's a perfect bike - everything about it! For me, in particular, 
beside the color, it's the bar tape, the triple crank with a small 
cassette, and the continental King tires - it all creates a bike that looks 
like it is for riding!

What bar tape and rack are those?

Congratulations on the very cool new bike!

Paul in AR

On Sunday, January 2, 2022 at 7:39:23 PM UTC-6 Heather Hayes wrote:

> Happy New Year to my fellow Platy people! I know I’m late to the Platy 
> party, but I just wanted to introduce myself and my Pumpkin Platypus. We’re 
> so honored to be here among the esteemed RBW Owners Bunch! I’ve been a 
> lurking wallflower on the forum for a while, and have so enjoyed watching 
> the reveals of all your lovely builds!
>
>
> Though I initially had my heart set on a mermaid Platypus when they first 
> went live back in April, the online order form had other ideas. I cracked 
> my knuckles, hovered over the purchase button, then clicked BUY NOW with 
> the authority of a seasoned judge pounding a gavel… but my mermaid 
> selection auto-changed to limeolive, dashing my aqua-colored dreams. There 
> was nary a 50cm mermaid to be found anywhere. No offense to the lovely 
> limeolive, but as a graphic designer, having a color I personally LOVED was 
> very important to me! Reframing crisis as opportunity, I decided to repaint 
> the frame a custom color. Pea soup to pumpkin bisque instead, please!
>
>
> After many, many, MANY nail-biting months of waiting, the newly painted 
> frame finally arrived. I carefully unwrapped my brand new Pumpkin Platy 
> with the same awe and enthusiasm of the father in A Christmas Story 
> unpacking his beloved leg lamp. (Though thankfully Rivendells are MUCH 
> sturdier!) ;)
>
>
> My Platy mainly enjoys conquering steeper terrain here in the beautiful 
> Blue Ridge Mountains of Asheville, NC, but still loves adventuring near 
> aquatic habitats as well. Here on the forum, the swoopy elegance of this 
> frame has aptly been likened by Leah to that of a prom dress. Set up as a 
> gravel grinder, I wanted this badass bike to sport combat boots underneath 
> the sparkly orange gown. (She’s a gorgeous prom queen, but you're also kind 
> of afraid she'll kick you in the shins!) 
>
>
> My sweet RBW blue Cheviot townie now has a fierce and fiery friend by her 
> side, and I love having not one but two Rivendells to *JUST RIDE!* 
>
> [image: Platy1.jpg][image: Platy2.jpg][image: Platy3.jpg]
>

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[RBW] Re: Bike storage solutions: 5 or 6 bikes, fenders

[Paul Clifton]

Hi Leah,
I use a DIY version of the same style of system. I just installed several 
coated hooks in the studs. It works well for me in my half-car garage. I 
think it's a pretty efficient use of space. I staggered the height of the 
hooks so that the handlebars don't hit each other, and I can hang bikes by 
the back or front wheel to get them even tighter.

But, it IS awkward to lift them up and get them in the hooks (and I'm 
pretty strong FWIW), and it's even more awkward taking them down, which 
means I usually just ride whichever bike is already down ...

Whether the fenders rub the ground will depend on how high you install the 
rack, so you'll have to lift the bikes at least high enough to get the 
fenders off the ground.

The dance I do goes something like:
1. Tip bike backwards so I can roll it just on the back wheel.
2. Grab the seat tube to lift and keep my other hand on the front end to 
steady the wheel.
3. Engage my core.
4. Lift and attempt to hook the wheel.
5. Miss the hook and cuss.
6. Try again. All good.

I think there are some racks that make it easy to roll the bike up towards 
the wall, then hook the wheel, then lift with some sort of pulley or track 
system. Maybe someone can suggest something like that.

Paul in AR

On Friday, December 31, 2021 at 8:46:01 AM UTC-6 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> [image: F4411C72-D9A5-4E1B-BADC-E7EDEF78AC81.jpeg]Hi Friends. I searched 
> some other threads to find this answer but didn’t really find what I was 
> looking for, and, maybe there have been some updated solutions, so, a new 
> thread.
>
> We have a new home and a 3 car, extra deep garage. The bikes are just 
> parked willy-nilly and I dislike it. It looks messy and they are bound to 
> be knocked over. I have my pair of Rivs, which will soon be a trio, and my 
> boys’ two Clems. My bikes are all fendered. Between the wide bars, heavy 
> frames, and fenders, storage options are few. I’d like to get the bike up 
> off of the floor and found this one option on Amazon (see photo). But I 
> don’t know if the rear fender will scrape the floor as I tip up the bike, 
> OR if I can lift the bikes vertically to hang them. It seems it would be 
> awkward. (Note: I would buy more than one of these because we would require 
> more space between bikes with those Bosco and Billie Bars.)
>
> What system do you use to park your fendered Rivs?
>
> Thanks!
> Leah 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Gus/Susie Chainstay Width

[Paul Clifton]

Thanks Ed. That's enough info for me to take a chance on this setup.

I can't think of any reason the chainstays on the medium would be any 
wider, but even if they are wider, I doubt they're 17mm wider.

Cheer,
Paul in AR

On Friday, December 31, 2021 at 2:00:27 AM UTC-6 Ed Carolipio wrote:

> Small GBW with 170mm Silver cranks which measure out to ~185mm 
> center-to-end on the crank arm. I took a measurement of the chain stay 
> width at the longest point of the crank arm that came out to ~120mm.
>
> --Ed C.
>
> On Thursday, December 30, 2021 at 6:13:38 PM UTC-8 Paul Clifton wrote:
>
>> Awesome. Thanks Ed!
>> Outer width of the chainstays. Crank arms are 172.5.
>>
>> On Thursday, December 30, 2021 at 8:06:53 PM UTC-6 Ed Carolipio wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Paul - wanted to give you a measurement but need to know where 
>>> specifically along the chainstay are you looking for the width, i.e., how 
>>> far back from the bottom bracket shell? Also, are you looking for the inner 
>>> width or the outer width?
>>>
>>> --Ed C.
>>>
>>> On Thursday, December 30, 2021 at 5:13:16 PM UTC-8 Paul Clifton wrote:
>>>
>>>> Can anyone tell me the outside-to-outside chainstay width on a 
>>>> Gus/Susie for crank clearance purposes?
>>>>
>>>> I emailed Riv but haven't heard back, and I could use an answer sooner 
>>>> rather than later, since there's an item on eBay that I might need to snag 
>>>> ...
>>>>
>>>> I'm specifically wondering if the White Industries A30 crankset (R30 
>>>> arms with M30 73mm spindle) will work. That ends up with inner arm to arm 
>>>> measurement of 137mm. I have the arms and would like to just buy a 73mm 
>>>> spindle. The narrower Q would probably be a small bonus. But that seems 
>>>> kinda narrow for a bike the fits 2.8" tires.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks!
>>>>
>>>> Paul in AR
>>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Gus/Susie Chainstay Width

[Paul Clifton]

Awesome. Thanks Ed!
Outer width of the chainstays. Crank arms are 172.5.

On Thursday, December 30, 2021 at 8:06:53 PM UTC-6 Ed Carolipio wrote:

> Hi Paul - wanted to give you a measurement but need to know where 
> specifically along the chainstay are you looking for the width, i.e., how 
> far back from the bottom bracket shell? Also, are you looking for the inner 
> width or the outer width?
>
> --Ed C.
>
> On Thursday, December 30, 2021 at 5:13:16 PM UTC-8 Paul Clifton wrote:
>
>> Can anyone tell me the outside-to-outside chainstay width on a Gus/Susie 
>> for crank clearance purposes?
>>
>> I emailed Riv but haven't heard back, and I could use an answer sooner 
>> rather than later, since there's an item on eBay that I might need to snag 
>> ...
>>
>> I'm specifically wondering if the White Industries A30 crankset (R30 arms 
>> with M30 73mm spindle) will work. That ends up with inner arm to arm 
>> measurement of 137mm. I have the arms and would like to just buy a 73mm 
>> spindle. The narrower Q would probably be a small bonus. But that seems 
>> kinda narrow for a bike the fits 2.8" tires.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Paul in AR
>>
>

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[RBW] Gus/Susie Chainstay Width

[Paul Clifton]

Can anyone tell me the outside-to-outside chainstay width on a Gus/Susie 
for crank clearance purposes?

I emailed Riv but haven't heard back, and I could use an answer sooner 
rather than later, since there's an item on eBay that I might need to snag 
...

I'm specifically wondering if the White Industries A30 crankset (R30 arms 
with M30 73mm spindle) will work. That ends up with inner arm to arm 
measurement of 137mm. I have the arms and would like to just buy a 73mm 
spindle. The narrower Q would probably be a small bonus. But that seems 
kinda narrow for a bike the fits 2.8" tires.

Thanks!

Paul in AR

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[RBW] Re: BOB List

[Paul Clifton]

This has been an ongoing problem since Google made everyone switch to the 
new Groups - I think it was early 2021, but could've been about a year ago. 
Something in the admin settings for all the groups seems to have been 
automatically set to "hidden" or "private" or something like that. The RBW 
list mod fixed it (Thanks Jim!), but for some reason the iBob list is still 
invisible to non-members.

I don't know what setting it is, but it's in there somewhere. I think 
sending an email to this address can get a user added: 
internet-bob-moderat...@googlegroups.com.

Paul in AR

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[RBW] Re: question re twisted Brooks saddle

[Paul Clifton]

That's exactly what happened to mine and it was a beast to get the plate 
back where it needed to be. It didn't help that my tension bolt is seized.

I don't remember exactly what I did, but I think I ended up bending the 
plate out, so I could get it up on the lip and then squeezing it back 
together. Mostly used channel locks because that's what I had around, but 
man, it was brutal.

I can dig up my photos if needed, but yeah, my bet is that the metal plate 
needs to get back up on the lip.

Paul in AR

On Monday, August 16, 2021 at 6:49:50 PM UTC-5 cycli...@gmail.com wrote:

> It's not real clear in my picture, but the metal part that is wrapped 
> around the front of the rail is notched on the sides and sits on a metal 
> plate riveted to the nose of the saddle.  I'm wondering if the left side 
> notch (as view from riding position) has slipped off of the plate, allowing 
> the nose to rotate.
>
> On Monday, August 16, 2021 at 4:44:22 PM UTC-7 David Person wrote:
>
>> It looks to me like the nose has rotated on the tension bolt.  Is this a 
>> result of tightening the tension bolt?  The back of the saddle looks 
>> normal.  Should look something like this.
>>
>> [image: IMG_2802.jpg]
>>
>> On Monday, August 16, 2021 at 4:17:44 PM UTC-7 Jim S. wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all, I was wondering if any of you have ever had your Brooks saddle 
>>> look like this:
>>>
>>> twisted? I don't know what to call it, but it's not symmetrical. Is 
>>> their a fix?
>>>
>>> As always, thanks for your expertise.
>>>
>>> [image: saddle photo.jpg]
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: For 22 years I've continually been surprised and repeated thrilled by my Road Custom

[Paul Clifton]

Patrick,
Rob mentioned to me the compliance of the fork on his Road custom. How does 
the fork on your '99 compare to the others, especially the Mathews, since 
you said mentioned the tires evening things out. Would a smaller tire 
reduce pneumatic trail? I'll have to draw myself a picture. Is the 
compliance of the fork blades similar?

Paul in AR

On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 9:56:06 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Robert: Lovely bike, well set up. Please post further posts about your 
> riding experiences. 
>
> Those early/earlier Rivendell road bikes seemed to have a magic 
> combination of straightline stability and cornering agility and, from what 
> I read, subsequent models exhibit the same qualities. In addition to 3 Riv 
> customs, I also owned a first-gen Sam and a 2nd-gen Ram. Both were notable 
> for that elusive mix of safe sedateness and eager turn-in (tho' I found the 
> Sam too vague on steep uphills with weight in the rear). 
>
> My 1999 Joe was a weird custom. My first Riv Road custom, early 1995m was 
> a 26" wheel frame built by Waterford around the original Rivendell All 
> Rounde, long story, but with angles tightened (for moral uplift) and road 
> tubing and crown and lugs; frame tout 753 with 531 fork IIRC. It was nice. 
> Nice as it was, the 1999 Joe Starck was a noticeable improvement; and it 
> came about like this. My brother gave me a fixed-conversion Schwinn Tempo 
> in 1997, and I so fell in love with fixed drivetrains that I talked to 
> Grant about a fixed custom after the manner of the 1995 Riv/Waterford 
> custom. He said, in effect, "Well, I guess you know what you want", and the 
> result was the purposely stripped 1999 gofast also built for 26" wheels but 
> with much longer chainstays (44.5 vs 42.5), and slacker head (72 vs 73, 
> IIRC) to compensate for the lighter (compared to 700C) 26X 22 mm and 32 mm 
> wheels. As nice as the 1995 was, the 1999 showed a very distinct in 
> handling: as quick to turn as you could want, but without even the 
> vestigial twitch of the 1995 when was shod with 559 X 22 mm Specialized 26 
> X 1 Turbos. I rode it for over 15 years with 571/650C Grands Prix and Pro 
> Race 22 mm tires until Rene Herse put their 28 mm 26" Elk Pass on the 
> market.
>
> The 2003 Curt Goodrich Riv Road custom was a derailleur version of the 
> 1999 Joe, and the 2020 Chauncey Matthews is an idiosyncratic adjustment of 
> the Curt for less stout tubing, more-or-less integrated fenders and racks, 
> and accomodation for the shifting bits for a Sturmey Archer medium ratio 
> "club" 3 speed AM hub.)
>
> On Tue, Apr 27, 2021 at 8:32 PM Robert Dowtin  wrote:
>
>> I have excitedly waited all week to add to this wonderful thread. Thank 
>> you, Patrick. So Last week I was fortunate enough to pick up nearly an 
>> identical frame as yours. We believed initially that it was a Road Standard 
>> that was Waterford made. I was very wrong. It's a Joe Starck w/ Joe Bell 
>> paint, serial#JS0499 apparently made in February. I finished putting her 
>> all together and I am not sure what else I can say that you all haven't 
>> already. Just an amazing bike. I never could have imagined...and the Phil 
>> Wood hubs...yeah. Speechless. So obviously I happen to be damn close in 
>> size to whomever had this beauty made originally, it is absolutely 
>> perfectly my size. Here's a couple of pics I shot today when I got back 
>> from her maiden voyage. Thanks to everyone that helped out getting this and 
>> the Quickbeam put together so quickly.[image: rivroad2.jpg][image: 
>> rivroad3.jpg].
>> On Thursday, April 22, 2021 at 9:38:16 AM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> I've asked myself that, since I've also felt similar if not equal 
>>> qualities with other bikes. For the ease of rolling/maintaining a gear, I 
>>> can't say that it is "planing" only because at least 1 of these bikes was 
>>> rather stout-tubed; another uses thinwall but OS tubing, and I had 1 
>>> lightweight 531 racing bike that didn't feel the same way. It's not weight, 
>>> since the other 2 nice rolling bikes were quite heavy. It's not geometry 
>>> only because the 2003 Curt was almost identical to the '99 Joe, and the 2 
>>> other nice rolling bikes (2015 Matthews RBFD and Herse) had/have very 
>>> different geometry. Ditto for postion, as all my bikes except the Monocog 
>>> are set up much the same.  
>>>
>>> I don't know! But the experience reliably repeats -- with the 1999, 
>>> since April 1999 -- so it's not all in my head. 
>>>
>>> The feel of the 1999 is a combination of quick acceleration, easy 
>>> rolling (easy to turn over a gear), and nimble handling. 
>>>
>>> The Matthews 2015 RBFD and 2020 RBFR come close in the way they roll; in 
>>> fact I'd say that the RBFD is at least as good if not slightly better in 
>>> ease of maintaining a gear, but of course does not accelerate as fast or 
>>> turn as nimbly; the newer Matthews comes closer in acceleration, is not 
>>> quite as easy in 

[RBW] Re: An Evolving Shorthand... posting to "daily post ur riv"

[Paul Clifton]

I'm pretty sure Google Groups has limited the size of files that can be 
shared, but I'm not sure if it's file size or pixel size.

I've had good luck resizing them to "2MP Best for Sharing" using the built 
in tool on Windows. It lets me include 3 or 4 decent quality photos that 
way, as attachments or inline.

Paul

On Thursday, April 22, 2021 at 3:22:28 PM UTC-5 Robert Dowtin wrote:

> Jim, I feel like you are speaking to me. Although, I tend to have that 
> problem some times...
>
> Speaking of high quality photos, I seem to be unable to upload anything to 
> a post that is of larger file size than something shot with a flip phone 
> camera from 2003? Should I be putting photos in a post as an attachment? 
> Are there 177 examples of people asking this question and giving each other 
> confusing answers as to how best to post photos? Ok, Ok, off to use the 
> search function before I try to show more Roswell quality photos of 
> bicycles.
> ~R
>
> On Thursday, April 22, 2021 at 11:58:31 AM UTC-5 Cyclofiend Jim wrote:
>
>> I will say that the quickest way to gain unmoderated status is by posting 
>> a great photo to the "daily post ur riv" thread
>>
>> If the first (second, or third) post you make is in a WTB/WTT/FS/FT 
>> thread, that won't likely nudge you into the free to post gang. 
>>
>> I want to thank everyone who has been emphasizing the ride, the bikes and 
>> the beauty of being on two wheels in their posts and content. And good 
>> answers or great questions, of course. 
>>
>> - J / list admin
>>
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[RBW] Re: daily post ur riv

[Paul Clifton]

Rob finally got some Rivs! It's been a long time coming ...

Waiting for glamor shots.

Paul in ARrr

On Thursday, April 22, 2021 at 11:52:35 AM UTC-5 Robert Dowtin wrote:

> Hey there everyone! I suppose this is actually my first real contribution 
> to this board, thanks for having me! I wanted to give everyone an update on 
> my newest and first (of two) Rivendell(s). Some of you may know that a 
> couple of us went to Nashville this last weekend and brought back the deal 
> of a lifetime from a truly stellar dude named Karl. Well, the Bicycle Parts 
> Gods or at least the ones that I beg and plead to, came through in so many 
> ways and I had the Quickbeam put together in about 36 hours after returning 
> home.  Of course, this frame has really turned out to be quite close to 
> perfect. The fit. The ride. It is amazing. I can't wait to get out again 
> today and I only had the chance to do a quick around the block a couple 
> times and to the playground, before it began snowing but I was beaming 
> from  ear to ear. Anyhow, here you go. Thanks everyone![image: 
> PXL_20210420_173523301.MP.png]
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[RBW] Re: Ride Report

[Paul Clifton]

Thanks for sharing that Irv. I enjoyed reading about your adventures.

I noticed Thomas Wheatley's by line and decided to check out what he's been 
writing, and I realized the entire March issue of Atlanta magazine is 
devoted to bikes: https://www.atlantamagazine.com/issue/march-2021/

If anyone is interested in what's up with cycling in Atlanta, that's a good 
place to start. And Wheatley is one of the best journalists on the 
local/state news beat, FWIW. I'm looking forward to riding around my old 
haunts when I get back there this summer.

Paul in AR



On Sunday, March 28, 2021 at 12:27:32 PM UTC-5 Irv Hoffman wrote:

> Thought someone might be interested in this story which appears in the 
> current *Atlanta* magazine.
> All my rides were on a Romulus except my recent ride from ATL to Key West 
> and back which was on a new Appaloosa. All were self contained with full 
> loads. 
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[RBW] Re: Helicopter tape recommendation requested (a specific name or URL)

[Paul Clifton]

I've been pretty curious about this topic for a while so I finally did some 
digging around. Nothing anyone hasn't already said on this and other 
threads, but I'm adding it just for additional info if anyone is interested.

The basic protective tape seems to be  3M™ Industrial Protective Film 7070UV: 
https://www.3m.com/3M/en_US/company-us/all-3m-products/~/d/b40066699/
There's even a link to a PDF at the bottom of that page that shows a 
Bicycle Application Concept. It doesn't say anything about removing the 
adhesive when you take the tape off, but since it is designed for that sort 
of thing, I doubt it will harm paint.

They also make a thicker version 7071UV, prob for stuff that gets hit 
harder.

Both 7070 and  7071 are available at McMaster Carr. They may be available 
cheaper elsewhere but at least McMaster calls out the specific product on 
the listing: 
https://www.mcmaster.com/fastening-tape/heavy-duty-surface-protection-tape/

Digging into 3M's aerospace category gets to this amazing page about 
products for helicopter rotor blades: 
https://www.3m.com/3M/en_US/aerospace-us/segment-solutions/rotor-blades/
The stuff for helicopters is extremely thick and says it offers "limited 
conformability" 
https://www.3m.com/3M/en_US/company-us/all-3m-products/?N=5002385+3292668475=rud

I've also seem people recommend low friction protection tape, which is 
meant for lining chutes in factories and fulfillment centers. It offers 
impact protection as well: 
https://www.mcmaster.com/fastening-tape/low-friction-uhmw-tape-8/
It's acrylic, not polyurethane.Maybe I'll get some of the for my daughter's 
scratched up plastic slide.

But for my bike, I'd probably just go with the 3M 7070UV since it's really 
designed specifically for protecting paint, but maybe not structural 
elements, from minor impacts on land vehicles.

I love tape.

BTW - has anyone used the gaffe tape from McMaster? How does it compare to 
the Gaffe brand gaffe tape? I hate bad tape. 
https://www.mcmaster.com/fastening-tape/matte-duct-tape/

Paul in AR

On Wednesday, March 31, 2021 at 4:38:39 PM UTC-5 Roberta wrote:

> Helicopter tape to put under the brake wire that runs along the bottom of 
> the top tube, so perhaps 1 1/2 -  2" wide to allow for wire movement and a 
> not too perfect tape application.  I carry my bike on a hanging bike rack 
> and currently protect the frame by putting inner tubes between the wire and 
> frame, but that's becoming annoying.
>
> There's so many out there and I'm not sure which will work well and not 
> effect the paint.  My local auto supply place said they never heard of it.  
> Neither did the LBS.
>
> Thanks,
> Roberta, AHHilsen
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Re: [RBW] Loose headset? Something more sinister?

[Paul Clifton]

Leah,
If it turns out to be the headset (which is my bet), then like Joe said, 
it's a thing that happens sometimes with new builds. I just wanted to add 
that it's unlikely that anything is damaged after a short ride with it just 
a bit loose. Def important to get it fixed ASAP, but I think there's no 
need to hyperventilating over whether you damaged your steer tube. :)

I had Riv install the headset/fork on my Bubbe and still had to get the 
local shop to tighten it up after the first few rides.

Paul in AR

On Sunday, March 14, 2021 at 12:09:19 AM UTC-6 Joe Bernard wrote:

> "Maul the color."
>
> I suppose it's always possible but the job had already been done once and 
> nothing bad happened so it should be fine. The wrenches they'll use are 
> good stuff that fit on the flats of the cups well. 
>
> What will happen is that bottom cup right on the headtube will be turned a 
> bit to snug it down, then he'll hold that one steady while he slowly turns 
> the top one to secure the adjustment in place. It's easy to get wrong on 
> the first try, I usually end up with mine too loose, too. They'll fix it 
> for ya. 
>
> On Saturday, March 13, 2021 at 9:55:16 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> The stem is moving down by the headset. I put the brakes on and it’s not 
>> so noticeable, but if I lift it by the handlebars I can see and feel that 
>> stem move. The bolts at the stem are tight and max insertion is inside the 
>> tube, so that’s not the problem. I don’t know much about headsets, but I 
>> bet this is the source.
>>
>> Next question: do you think REI is going to maul the color of my new ano 
>> parts with their wrenches?!
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Mar 13, 2021, at 9:33 PM, Ray Varella  wrote:
>>
>> If you hold your front brake on and rock the bike back and forth you 
>> should be able to see if the headset is loose or the stem is loose. The 
>> stem is tightened with the bolt in the center, you can do that yourself, 
>> just make sure the max height/minimum insertion line is below the headset. 
>>
>> If it’s the headset, you should take it to a shop. REI should be able to 
>> handle that just fine. 
>> You need two headset wrenches, one for the top nut and one for the nut 
>> below the spacers. 
>> I adjust my headset play and hold the lower nut while tightening the top 
>> nut against the spacers. It takes a bit of experience to do this 
>> confidently. 
>> It needs to be tight enough to prevent play but not so tight that it 
>> binds. 
>>
>> Hope that helps,
>>
>> Ray
>>
>> On Saturday, March 13, 2021 at 9:13:17 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Here is the headset. 
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Mar 13, 2021, at 9:12 PM, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
>>> jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I got anodized headset rings/spacers (and I may be botching the names 
>>> here, but I’ll include a photo in the post after this and you’ll see) and 
>>> had them installed. I felt that the bike was a little vibratory but it 
>>> wasn’t until tonight that I found the source. I happened to lift the front 
>>> end by the bars and felt the bars shift somehow. I had a hex key and 
>>> checked both bolts in the stem - they were tight. I got home, looked it 
>>> over and found that the stem is moving around in the headset. It did NOT do 
>>> this when I had the old headset. 
>>>
>>>
>>> I went online and read horror stories. I stopped reading when my heart 
>>> started racing. Something about wrecking the steerer, which sounded 
>>> catastrophic and permanent whatever that is. Is this a minor problem that 
>>> can be fixed with a wrench, would you guess? Or am I going to need to 
>>> change out my headset - maybe this one is too big? Ugh, please not that. 
>>>
>>> I will either have to drive 40 minutes across town to the mechanics who 
>>> did the service tomorrow, or if you say it’s an easy fix, I could trust the 
>>> REI which is only 20 minutes away.
>>>
>>> Hoping the answer is straightforward and the problem easily fixable,
>>> Leah
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Riv-ersed Shift Levers Install

[Paul Clifton]

I'm glad Joe mentioned this, because I've been trying to solve this exact 
problem. The Avid SD-7 levers (which are my favorites) interfere with 
Riv-versed shifters no matter how they are swapped around, because the bolt 
part of the clamp always points to the inside of the handlebar.

It's good to know that I can dig around in my parts bin and find some 
levers that don't get in the way of the shifter. 

so basically - don't use Avid SD-7 brake levers if you're running 
Riv-versed thumbies.

Paul in AR

On Friday, March 5, 2021 at 8:18:15 AM UTC-6 Justin Kennedy (Brooklyn, NY) 
wrote:

> Depending on what brake levers you have, you may not have to reverse them, 
> too. My Paul and Shimano short pull levers don't jut out but my Sunrace 
> linear pulls do so they kinda get in the way with the Riv-erse shifter set 
> up. However I was able to scooch the shifters up the bar enough to clear 
> the jut. 
>
> On Friday, March 5, 2021 at 8:29:57 AM UTC-5 bjmi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I have the same shifters on my Atlantis set up "Riv-ersed" by Rivendell 
>> and I freaking love it.
>>
>> One thing I'd add...there's nothing in the rule book that says you can't 
>> shift your rear derailer with you left hand. If you wanted to use the 
>> indexing function of your current right shifter, you absolutely can. I 
>> bought a single Sunrace right shifter to Riv-up a non-Riv last summer and 
>> realized after I received it that I had to put it on the left side to get 
>> it "inboard" style. The bike was a 1x so it was not an issue...I had a new 
>> shifter cable ready to go, ran it from the left side, and never had a 
>> problem with it. 
>>
>> In fact...I ALMOST asked Riv to run the left shifter to the rear derailer 
>> and right to front when I ordered it, but I didn't want to seem like a 
>> weirdo. :) 
>>
>> On Friday, March 5, 2021 at 1:17:10 AM UTC-6 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> No mods needed with these, you just lose the index option on the 
>>> formerly-right-rear shifter that's now your left front. The nifty thing 
>>> about this setup is the normally-left-front has a nice ratcheting action 
>>> like Silvers, which is great for rear shifting. Don't forget to swap the 
>>> brake levers, too, so the jutting-out part is still opposite of the 
>>> shifters. 
>>>
>>> On Thursday, March 4, 2021 at 10:53:38 PM UTC-8 christian poppell wrote:
>>>
 Hi Gang,

 I've got the Microshift 9speed thumb shifters on Albatross bars 
 installed the normal way (outside, top). I'm looking for info on setting 
 them up on the inside like this:
  
 http://lovelybike.blogspot.com/2016/06/brifter-bliss-for-swept-back-handlebars.html
  
 

 Is it just a matter of moving the left to the right and vise versa? I 
 recall some modification needing to be done to the Sunrace shift body, is 
 it the same with the Microshift?

 These are the levers I've got: 
 https://www.rivbike.com/products/microshift-thumb-shifters-9-speed-sl-t09

 Thanks in advance!
 Christian
 Berkeley, CA

>>>

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[RBW] Re: Something similar to Rustines Constructeur Grips?

[Paul Clifton]

ODI makes ribbed grips with a flange. These are the long ones, but I feel 
like I saw a short version somewhere recently
http://odigrips.com/store/bmx/bmx-products/longneck-bmx-grips

Fabric also makes ribbed grips, but lock on only and no flange.

I may have bookmarked something else similar. I'll try to remember to look 
when I'm at my laptop.

Also, for some reason the website modernbike has a zillion grips, so it 
might be worth a look. I've been grip shopping lately after having to 
remove the long ESI grips from jones bars. I'm over that.

Paul in AR

On Thursday, March 4, 2021 at 10:11:46 PM UTC-6 Benjamin Kelley wrote:

> Good Day Group,
> I'm building up a new bike (Raleigh Clubman with S couplers I snagged 
> off ebay a while back) and went to purchase some Rustines Constructeur 
> grips, which are my favorite, only to find that supplies of them in the US 
> have dried up.
> Velo Orange doesn't stock any Rustines products any longer. Good thing I 
> bought a bunch of patches a while back.
> Rustines.fr wants 45euros just for shipping.   Bluelug and Harris both out 
> of stock.
>
> Anyone know of any similar grips?  Ribbed, soft, natural rubber.
> Are the VO Kraton basket weave a similar feel?  I could settle for those 
> if so.
>
>
> --ben in KC
>
>
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[RBW] Re: VP 001 rebuild kit

[Paul Clifton]

There used to be a video on the VP website, but it's not there anymore. 
There is only a video for the Harrier rebuild. 
https://www.vpcomponents.com/vp-harrier-dh5-rebuild-instructions/
I didn't watch it, and you probably already found it, but if not, maybe 
that's helpful.

Paul

On Friday, January 29, 2021 at 5:21:52 PM UTC-6 J Schwartz wrote:

> Hello
> Looking for some assistance re: VP-001 rebuilding
> I've managed to find a VP-001 rebuild kit, but can't seem to find any info 
> online about how to go about rebuilding them.
> Does anyone have info regarding that?
> I've managed to take apart the offending pedal (the right one) and 
> successfully tapped out 2 bearings.
> But I'm not sure about how get them back in...also I'm not sure if one is 
> different from the other and if one needs to go in first, etc.
> There are also collar bushings in the rebuild kit, however no bushings 
> like that in my pedal body.
> If you've done this successfully, I'd much appreciate to hear how it went
> thanks
> JS
>
>
> On Tuesday, September 8, 2020 at 5:29:34 AM UTC-4 spencer robinson wrote:
>
>> I did email Rivendell as I did not see the VP 001 rebuild kits listed but 
>> the other Spencer looked for me and found a few kits in stock. The rebuild 
>> is pretty straightforward and it just involved finding the right socket and 
>> pick to get the bushings out. The bearings are a sealed design. Easy to do 
>> and saved a set of pedals. I think the cost to rebuild them was worthwhile.
>>
>> On Wednesday, August 19, 2020 at 11:00:52 AM UTC-4 Garth wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>I have no idea if this helps or not, I take any pedal I buy apart 
>>> upon install and liberally apply grease in the axle. Enough that it oozes 
>>> out when it's back together. Knock on a Gorillas tree, everything has 
>>> worked perfectly. 
>>>
>>>   Some brands have very little grease from the factory. 
>>>
>>>   Before assuming the bearings are gone, if you hear noises just take it 
>>> apart and grease it very well. Try it out !  Grease is a great thing !
>>>
>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Has anyone ever made a Rivendell custom step-through?

[Paul Clifton]

Cool! Thanks for the video! I wonder what the ovalization at the seat tube 
is for. My guess is also twisting. I think it's a really cool feature, and 
I suspect it expands the possibilities for step through frames.

Paul

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Re: [RBW] Re: Has anyone ever made a Rivendell custom step-through?

[Paul Clifton]

Yep, that shows it. A vertical oval near the head tube, transitioning to a 
sideways oval as it gets towards that bottom bracket.
Does the Platypus do that?

Paul

On Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 3:31:53 PM UTC-6 lconley wrote:

> This?
> [image: Rosco_Baby-52_1600x (2).jpg]
> Laing
>
>
> On Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 4:26:05 PM UTC-5 Paul Clifton wrote:
>
>> I can't tell from the picture, but I was talking about the tube that 
>> connects the top tube to the bottom bracket. I think one of the early 
>> drawing of the platypus showed it though.
>>
>> On the baby bike, the tube is an oval near the head tube and near the 
>> bottom bracket, but it is circular in the middle. The plane of the 
>> ovalization changes, so if you look straight on from the side of the bike, 
>> the tube looks bigger near the head tube and skinnier at the bottom 
>> bracket. But if you look straight down from the top of the bike, the tube 
>> looks fatter near the bottom bracket and skinnier near the head tube.
>>
>> I can't even draw it with a pencil to show you because my lines aren't 
>> good, and it's barely perceptible in photos. I've been trying to capture it.
>>
>> So like, if you have a playdough snake laying on a table. Smash it 
>> against the table near the head and pinch it near the tail. The head gets 
>> flat in one direction. The tail gets flat 90 degrees. Now imagine doing 
>> that with a metal tube.
>>
>> Paul
>>
>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Has anyone ever made a Rivendell custom step-through?

[Paul Clifton]

I can't tell from the picture, but I was talking about the tube that 
connects the top tube to the bottom bracket. I think one of the early 
drawing of the platypus showed it though.

On the baby bike, the tube is an oval near the head tube and near the 
bottom bracket, but it is circular in the middle. The plane of the 
ovalization changes, so if you look straight on from the side of the bike, 
the tube looks bigger near the head tube and skinnier at the bottom 
bracket. But if you look straight down from the top of the bike, the tube 
looks fatter near the bottom bracket and skinnier near the head tube.

I can't even draw it with a pencil to show you because my lines aren't 
good, and it's barely perceptible in photos. I've been trying to capture it.

So like, if you have a playdough snake laying on a table. Smash it against 
the table near the head and pinch it near the tail. The head gets flat in 
one direction. The tail gets flat 90 degrees. Now imagine doing that with a 
metal tube.

Paul

On Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 2:37:05 PM UTC-6 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> This?
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Jan 26, 2021, at 12:32 PM, Paul Clifton  wrote:
>
> 
>
> On Monday, January 25, 2021 at 2:07:32 PM UTC-6 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> It’s hard for me to believe a lighter step-through would be too flex ...
>>
>
> I think the flex Mark mentioned may be similar to the flex they had to 
> engineer out of the baby bike - a rotation around the axis from front to 
> back of the bike, a twisting. They did that using an downtube that was 
> ovalized in different directions at the top and bottom of the tube, which I 
> think the Platypus also has, but I haven't confirmed that. Since that's in 
> Grant's head now, and because he seems to like a bike design challenge, I 
> would really be interested in his perspective on this. Maybe he wouldn't 
> think it's worth actually doing, but he might have some interesting 
> thoughts on what it would take.
>
> Paul in AR
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