Re: [RBW] Re: Brooks B68

[J S]

I am going to hold off for a bit.  Thanks

On Thursday, May 16, 2024 at 9:46:29 AM UTC-4 J S wrote:

> Condition and price? 
>
> On Wed, May 15, 2024 at 11:59 PM jeffbog...@hotmail.com <
> jeffbog...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I have one, PM sent
>>
>> On Wednesday 15 May 2024 at 09:38:10 UTC-5 jrst...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Anyone have a fairly new B68 you are looking to sell?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Joel
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Brooks B68

[J S]

Condition and price?

On Wed, May 15, 2024 at 11:59 PM jeffbog...@hotmail.com <
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> I have one, PM sent
>
> On Wednesday 15 May 2024 at 09:38:10 UTC-5 jrst...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Anyone have a fairly new B68 you are looking to sell?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Joel
>>
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[RBW] Brooks B68

[J S]

Anyone have a fairly new B68 you are looking to sell?

Thanks

Joel

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[RBW] Re: FS: Nitto R50 saddlebag holders / Nitto Saddlebag Grip R50 — 2 available

[J J]

Just bumping this FS post. Please reach out directly if you're interested. 
Thanks!
On Saturday, April 6, 2024 at 9:48:00 AM UTC-4 J J wrote:

> Hi all. We're not going to use these so I'm looking to sell them. I think 
> there was chatter that these are not going to be produced anymore?
>
> Two available, and both include all hardware and Shimano XT quick release 
> skewer:
>
>- Brand new in package for $115
>- Lightly used and in excellent condition for $98 (the green frog tape 
>is to retain the pricey hardware)
>
> I can substitute a silver QR skewer if you prefer. Let me know via direct 
> message if you're interested. Shipping calculated by address. Thanks!
>
> Jim
>
> [image: Nitto R50 saddlebag holders.jpeg]
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Re: [RBW] Riv-rafting

[Sue J]

John, I am curious to know how this craft behaves if there is no bike in 
the bow. Did you give that a try?
Also, do you secure the bike in the bow, or if you capsize would it sink to 
the bottom of the waterway?

Sue

On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 7:19:46 AM UTC-7 Curtis wrote:

> Looks like a great adventure.  Enjoy.
>
> Curtis
>
> On Wed, May 8, 2024, 7:18 PM John Rinker  wrote:
>
>> After several months in a box, I finally took my pack raft for its maiden 
>> voyage down the Salt River. 
>> [image: IMG_3282.jpeg]
>> I rode 20k out to the put-in, and in about 30 minutes was ready to shove 
>> off. The Alpacka raft is a fine design that has exceeded my expectations 
>> for comfort, stability, and maneuverability. My tall bike and body fit just 
>> fine. It's a super fun boat!
>> [image: IMG_3271.jpeg]
>> If you love riding and rivers, this is the way to go!
>>
>> [image: IMG_3308.jpeg]
>> Cheers, John
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[RBW] Re: FS: Droptube Rivendell Custom 54cm

[J J]

Inspiring attitude and approach, thank you. 

On Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 12:15:42 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:

> "Letting go of prized possessions can be incredibly hard." 
>
> Tbh it's not difficult for me. At this latter stage of my life (just 
> turned 62) I find myself at a place where it's the people and experiences I 
> treasure; it's the part I can enjoy in the moment, hold in my heart, and 
> keep as a lasting memory. Which is all very philosophical of me but this is 
> the Joe Bernard I am right now! ‍♂️
>
> On Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 9:08:44 AM UTC-7 J J wrote:
>
>> Wow, this is a surprise, Joe. Letting go of prized possessions can be 
>> incredibly hard. I admire the resolve. Congratulations on the decision. 
>>
>> Good luck with the sale. Whoever nabs that custom will be lucky to have 
>> it! 
>>
>> On Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 11:52:39 AM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> Ebike:
>>>
>>> I've owned/built a few but they don't fit what I'm looking to do now. I 
>>> still have my motorcycle endorsement and just took the Motorcycle Safety 
>>> Foundation course again with a friend to refresh my skills and see if it 
>>> was a thing I wanted to get back into (before I'm too old!). Motorcycles 
>>> are a culture up here in Lake County and I have a bunch of folks I can ride 
>>> with so I'm interested. 
>>>
>>> Joe "will still have a lovely Riv even after selling one" Bernard 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 8:38:36 AM UTC-7 bfd...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hey Joe, why not get an e-bike?  I'm old and still ride regular bikes, 
>>>> but a lot of my friends, especially those in their 70s, have all gone to 
>>>> e-bikes. Specialized has arguably the best right now with its second 
>>>> battery and 100-120 mile range.
>>>>
>>>> Good Luck! 
>>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 5:23:30 AM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Motorcycle: I don't know. I think it's going to take a while to sell 
>>>>> my Riv at a price I can live with so I'm not real focused on the next 
>>>>> step 
>>>>> yet. 
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 4:55:23 AM UTC-7 Michael Morrissey wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> What motorcycle are you going to buy?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 7:16:12 AM UTC-4 Ryan wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Oh Joe...you waited so long for that bike. I do hope you don't 
>>>>>>> regret selling it. I'm sure it'll make someone happy. ...hmm might be a 
>>>>>>> good bike for Leah...54 cm MIGHT work for her
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 12:35:51 AM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> $5k + shipping 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, May 7, 2024 at 10:25:24 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Divorce from reality forces sale, I've convinced myself I want a 
>>>>>>>>> motorcycle again. Details and geometry in Craigslist ad, I need to 
>>>>>>>>> take new 
>>>>>>>>> pics with current drivetrain, will post that album soon. 
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/clearlake-park-rivendell-custom-54cm/7744497816.html
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Joe Bernard 
>>>>>>>>> joeremi62 gmail com
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Droptube Rivendell Custom 54cm

[J J]

Wow, this is a surprise, Joe. Letting go of prized possessions can be 
incredibly hard. I admire the resolve. Congratulations on the decision. 

Good luck with the sale. Whoever nabs that custom will be lucky to have it! 

On Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 11:52:39 AM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Ebike:
>
> I've owned/built a few but they don't fit what I'm looking to do now. I 
> still have my motorcycle endorsement and just took the Motorcycle Safety 
> Foundation course again with a friend to refresh my skills and see if it 
> was a thing I wanted to get back into (before I'm too old!). Motorcycles 
> are a culture up here in Lake County and I have a bunch of folks I can ride 
> with so I'm interested. 
>
> Joe "will still have a lovely Riv even after selling one" Bernard 
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 8:38:36 AM UTC-7 bfd...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hey Joe, why not get an e-bike?  I'm old and still ride regular bikes, 
>> but a lot of my friends, especially those in their 70s, have all gone to 
>> e-bikes. Specialized has arguably the best right now with its second 
>> battery and 100-120 mile range.
>>
>> Good Luck! 
>>
>> On Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 5:23:30 AM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> Motorcycle: I don't know. I think it's going to take a while to sell my 
>>> Riv at a price I can live with so I'm not real focused on the next step 
>>> yet. 
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 4:55:23 AM UTC-7 Michael Morrissey wrote:
>>>
 What motorcycle are you going to buy?



 On Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 7:16:12 AM UTC-4 Ryan wrote:

> Oh Joe...you waited so long for that bike. I do hope you don't regret 
> selling it. I'm sure it'll make someone happy. ...hmm might be a good 
> bike 
> for Leah...54 cm MIGHT work for her
>
> On Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 12:35:51 AM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> $5k + shipping 
>>
>> On Tuesday, May 7, 2024 at 10:25:24 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> Divorce from reality forces sale, I've convinced myself I want a 
>>> motorcycle again. Details and geometry in Craigslist ad, I need to take 
>>> new 
>>> pics with current drivetrain, will post that album soon. 
>>>
>>>
>>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/clearlake-park-rivendell-custom-54cm/7744497816.html
>>>
>>> Joe Bernard 
>>> joeremi62 gmail com
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: WTB: Hunqapillar 54 / 56 cm

[J J]

Thanks John and Johnny. Great to see the pics. 

John, some of those trails look pretty challenging, and like a blast. 

Johnny, I remember that salmon/pink/not sure what to call it Hunq from pics 
you posted a while back. It’s unforgettable for sure!

Thanks again. It’ll be nice to start a new “show us your Hunqapillar 
thread” soon. 

On Tuesday, May 7, 2024 at 7:35:20 PM UTC-4 johnny@gmail.com wrote:

> Those are great John. Here's a quick pic of mine. That was earlier today, 
> when I had the albatross bars. I just switched to Nitto X Crumbworks KT 
> bar, which I have 1/2 installed
>
>
> [image: hunqapillar Medium.jpeg]
>
> On Tuesday, May 7, 2024 at 3:32:22 PM UTC-7 John M wrote:
>
>> I'm not Johnny but I used to have a 54 cm Hunqapillar in green and here's 
>> an assortment of pictures from tours in New Mexico and Colorado-- mostly 
>> the Great Divide Mountain  Bike route.  
>> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1jT4glIHwK2Ox5C8Eigq2Gcxa08MT_ARE?usp=sharing
>>
>> Its a great bike!
>>
>> On Tuesday, May 7, 2024 at 2:57:16 PM UTC-6 J J wrote:
>>
>>> Hey Johnny, do you have any pics of your Hunq to share? Would love to 
>>> see some. (I hope this message is on this thread...?)
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, May 7, 2024 at 12:11:28 PM UTC-4 johnny@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> Good luck Max. I was on the same quest when an amazing person from this 
>>>> group, Matthew Williams, saw one and let me know about it. I posted here 
>>>> every ~6 months letting folks know I was still looking and it took a few 
>>>> years to find one in my size, but it did happen eventually. It's a cool 
>>>> bike, for sure.
>>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, May 7, 2024 at 5:44:41 AM UTC-7 Max S wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Test-rode one over a decade ago at BBB, shoulda bought it then. Maybe 
>>>>> someone's ready to pass theirs on to another good home?.. (Ideally just a 
>>>>> frameset)
>>>>>
>>>>> - Max "coulda shoulda woulda try againa" in A2
>>>>>
>>>>

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[RBW] Re: WTB: Hunqapillar 54 / 56 cm

[J J]

Hey Johnny, do you have any pics of your Hunq to share? Would love to see 
some. (I hope this message is on this thread...?)

On Tuesday, May 7, 2024 at 12:11:28 PM UTC-4 johnny@gmail.com wrote:

> Good luck Max. I was on the same quest when an amazing person from this 
> group, Matthew Williams, saw one and let me know about it. I posted here 
> every ~6 months letting folks know I was still looking and it took a few 
> years to find one in my size, but it did happen eventually. It's a cool 
> bike, for sure.
>
> On Tuesday, May 7, 2024 at 5:44:41 AM UTC-7 Max S wrote:
>
>> Test-rode one over a decade ago at BBB, shoulda bought it then. Maybe 
>> someone's ready to pass theirs on to another good home?.. (Ideally just a 
>> frameset)
>>
>> - Max "coulda shoulda woulda try againa" in A2
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Clean AND Buttery Shifting?

[J J]

I love this solution, and the story of what inspired it. I would run (or 
ride) in the opposite direction from any snake, much less touch it, but 
that sure is a beautiful creature.Thanks for the update and photos!

Jim

On Tuesday, May 7, 2024 at 2:37:34 PM UTC-4 John Rinker wrote:

> Solutions to problems often come from the strangest places; in this case, 
> from the back of a Sonoran gopher snake. Biomimicry, I believe it's called. 
>
> The puzzle of why my Hunq shifting is so much smoother than my Atlantis 
> has been filed away into 'things to subconsciously ponder' for quite some 
> time now.
>
> I've been riding in the Sonoran desert a great deal over the past month, 
> and the other day I came across another beautiful Sonoran gopher snake. 
> This species is harmless (unless you're a gopher) and very docile. While I 
> generally don't like to touch wildlife as it must stress them out, I made 
> an exception on this day after Sonya (the snake) and I sat together under a 
> palo verde tree for some time together. When it was time for her to slither 
> away, I gently touched her back and let her skin slide under my fingertips: 
> very smooth and surprisingly dry. And so slippery! 
> [image: IMG_3142.jpeg]
> I'm not completely sure why shifting popped into my head, but at that 
> moment I realized the solution to the puzzle: snakeskin-lined derailleur 
> cables! Faux snakeskin, of course!
>
> A closer inspection of the cable routing on my Atlantis revealed that the 
> primary difference between it and the Hunq is the absence of a plastic 
> cable guide on the bottom bracket shell; on the Toyo Atlantis there are two 
> steel fins between which the cable runs. 
>
> So, taking a cue from Sonya's scaly back, I cut two plastic strips from a 
> milk jug, placed them between the fins and under the cable, and voila! 
> Buttery smooth shifting just like my Hunq.
>
> While not necessarily an elegant solution, it certainly puts the 'fun' in 
> functional!
>
> [image: IMG_3266.JPG]
> Cheers, John
>
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, June 14, 2023 at 12:49:05 PM UTC-7 John Rinker wrote:
>
>> Hey Brian. Both are Deore of the same vintage (ie. newish).
>>
>> Thanks, Laing. I'll give that a try. Always fun to experiment!
>>
>> Cheers, John
>>
>> On Wednesday, June 14, 2023 at 10:44:04 AM UTC-7 bmfo...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> What are the two derailleurs on the bikes? The strength of the 
>>> derailleur spring also plays a part in how much force is needed to move the 
>>> shift lever. Same would go for the condition of the derailleur's pivots.
>>>
>>> Brian
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, June 14, 2023 at 12:40:55 PM UTC-5 lconley wrote:
>>>
 I have had multiple sets of Silver1 and Silver2 shifters. There can be 
 a lot of difference between "identical" shifters.

 You can try swapping shifters between bicycles and see if the feel 
 follows the shifter or stays with the bike.

 Laing

 On Wednesday, June 14, 2023 at 12:29:55 PM UTC-4 John Rinker wrote:

> Thank you Piaw. This sounds like a fine option for the future when 
> cables need replacing. Right now everything is pretty new and in great 
> shape.
>
> I guess my question in this regard is more about why the shifting 
> would be different given that all the variables appear to be identical. 
> I'd 
> love to replicate the way my Hunq shifts in my Atlantis, and so am 
> curious 
> as to which variables I might be overlooking. 
>
> Cheers, John
>
> On Wednesday, June 14, 2023 at 8:16:05 AM UTC-7 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Consider the Shimano OT-SP41 coated shift cables: 
>> https://amzn.to/463eUM8
>>
>> I haven't needed them yet, but I did try the brake cable version and 
>> it's very impressive.
>>
>> On Tuesday, June 13, 2023 at 6:28:07 PM UTC-7 John Rinker wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks, Eliot. Yes, cable housings are filed and run in very smooth 
>>> curves with no bends. I'll try easing off on the binding. 
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> John
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, June 13, 2023 at 5:35:58 PM UTC-7 eliot...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Also, did you file your cut housing ends?

 On Tue, Jun 13, 2023 at 5:34 PM Eliot Balogh  
 wrote:

> Hey John,
>
> It’s a little hard to tell over the internet but based on your 
> description, a few thoughts come to mind. Are your cable runs clean 
> with 
> easy bends ? Is your housing contaminated ? Can you ease off the 
> binding 
> bolt on your shifter ?
>
> I have always avoided lubing my cables out of fear of attracting 
> dirt. 
>
> Eliot 
>
> On Tue, Jun 13, 2023 at 3:15 PM John Rinker  
> wrote:
>
>> Both my Hunqapillar and Atlantis shift cleanly and, given the 
>> state of the rider on a given day, precisely. 

Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Craigslist, etc 2024

[Greg J]

Complete 59cm Rambouillet for $1000 - it seems like an amazing deal!  No 
connection to seller.

https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/bik/d/san-francisco-59cm-rambouillet-blue/7743799428.html





On Tuesday, April 30, 2024 at 6:18:39 PM UTC-7 Valerie Yates wrote:

>
> 51 Atlantis for $2k. Well-loved by owner who passed away. Being sold by 
> the surviving spouse. No connection to seller. 
>
> https://boulder.craigslist.org/bik/d/boulder-rivendell-atlantis-51cm/7742464449.html
>
>
> On Tuesday, April 30, 2024 at 1:43:03 PM UTC-6 kiziria...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Nicely 52cm Clem for $1800 in Los Angeles 
>> https://losangeles.craigslist.org/sfv/bik/d/north-hills-rivendell-clem-smith-jr/7742374638.html
>>  
>>
>> On Monday, April 29, 2024 at 2:59:02 PM UTC-7 drew.jo...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> https://crustbikes.com/a/shopicial/topics/196896
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Apr 28, 2024, at 8:38 PM, Kim H.  wrote:
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> Rivendell Clem Smith Clementine - $2,150 (Sacramento) 
>>>
>>> https://sacramento.craigslist.org/bik/d/sacramento-rivendell-clem-smith/7735990306.html
>>>
>>> Kim Hetzel.
>>> On Sunday, April 28, 2024 at 6:22:31 PM UTC-7 jamin orrall wrote:
>>>
 Awesome color  Saluki and a good price!  I believe this is or was 
 John's bike (rivendell employee). This would explain the very history 
 heavy 
 description.  

 On Sunday, April 28, 2024 at 11:01:54 AM UTC-7 Matti wrote:

> Saluki here: 
> https://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bik/d/portland-62cm-rivendell-saluki/7741642940.html
>
> On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 10:20:00 AM UTC-8 maxcr wrote:
>
>> Time for a new FS thread?
>>
>> I saw this 63 Roadeo on the Crust classifieds and thought a tall 
>> member here might be interested: 
>> https://crustbikes.com/a/shopicial/topics/179734
>>
>> Good price at $1,500 for the frameset but the seller indicates it has 
>> been repainted by D Cycles.
>>
>> [image: roadeo.jpeg]
>>
>> No connection to the seller.
>>
>> Max
>>
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[RBW] Eric M.'s new video: Shop tour, favorite workshops, tool organization and my next bicycle build

[J J]

So good, a pleasure to watch. Thanks for the great work, Eric! 

Check it out here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMf-7Kq-g8k


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[RBW] Re: Jimmy's Hunq!!1

[J J]

Thanks Eric and Jim! Will's blog post was the first I saw of the full paint 
job and the build. Up to yesterday afternoon I had only seen a few low res 
teaser images, so I've been soaking in Will's fantastic photos. I'm blown 
away by the care and detail of Rick's paint job. I had told Rick that I 
hope he has fun with the bike, and it feels like he did. And Antonio did 
such a clean, lovely build. Thanks Antonio! I can't wait to see the bike in 
person. And to ride it!

@Jim, the blue ring around the pump peg really got me, too, as did the 
lining around the top and bottom of the head tube and the little circle 
cutouts in the fork crown. Incredible detail and beyond what I was 
expecting.

@Eric, thanks for the kind words. I can see the deep rusty pink tones now 
that you mention it. Like I said in the writeup, copper is super tricky. 
There are so many colors posing as copper! You've got a great eye about the 
lime 
green Newbaum's with amber shellac. I went back and forth on tape and Will 
urged the lime. I'm stoked about how it turned out. 

This project has been a long time in the making. Everyone I worked with, 
directly and indirectly — Rick on the paint, Rich on the wheels, Will and 
the entire Rivendell crew on everything else — was super welcoming, 
accessible, and engaging. And they made the entire process a lot of fun, 
which above all is what bikes should be about as far as I'm concerned. 

Jim

On Saturday, April 27, 2024 at 1:55:46 PM UTC-4 Jim in Mpls wrote:

> The blue ring around the pump peg really pushed me over the edge! Amazing 
> detailing!
> Jim
>
> On Saturday, April 27, 2024 at 11:26:50 AM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Oh me. Oh my. Wowee wee wow wow! The Hunq from this week's email update 
>> is a real stunner. Will's photos, as usual, really bring it to life. 
>>
>>
>> https://www.rivbike.com/blogs/news/jimmys-hunqapillar?mc_cid=a24d941b71_eid=592b20cfa2
>>
>> [image: jimmyshunq-1_1400x copy.png]
>>
>> Many of you know that I'm a fan of patinated copper and brass. Even so 
>> the colors didn't register to me as being from the family of weathered 
>> brass, copper or bronze. It looks like a deep rusty pink to my eye. I love 
>> it all the same! From Jimmy's description it sounds like he and painted 
>> Rick at D went back and forth to divine a great paint selection. Well 
>> done, I must say. 
>>
>> The blue cable housing and lug lines, the bar tape. An awesome blend of 
>> XTR. I'd wager that's the lime green Newbaum's with amber shellac, a bold 
>> choice indeed that achieves a nice bronzed olive. Beautiful all around. 
>> This bike looks like a blast. 
>>
>> [image: jimmyshunq-12_1400x copy.png]
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: New Bike Day and other ride photos for the Road Curious

[Sue J]

Those African daisies (Dimorphotheca ecklonis) are a spectacular backdrop 
for your pink Roadeo!
Sue in El Cerrito
On Wednesday, April 24, 2024 at 6:42:32 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> I don't know what flower that is.  It was on the porch of East Bay Coffee 
> in Pinole, Ca.  The color was incredible.  
>
> BL in EC
>
> On Wednesday, April 24, 2024 at 5:08:19 AM UTC-7 Ryan wrote:
>
>> Oh...a 3-speed Romulus!
>>
>> That RoadeoRosa just looks right...Doug is absolutely right. I'm waiting 
>> to read about Bill's next brevet on that Roadeo; I suspect that bike rides 
>> like a dream.
>>
>> I hate to betray my ignorance, but what are those flowers? Pansies? Great 
>> shots.
>>
>> On Wednesday, April 24, 2024 at 6:52:31 AM UTC-5 Doug H. wrote:
>>
>>> Agreed Joe. Bill is a good man. And, what a fleet of bikes! I love the 
>>> look of drop bars on a road bike. To my older eyes they just look 
>>> appropriate. I say that as I'm converting my recently acquired Roadini to 
>>> an Albatross bar. 
>>> Doug
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, April 24, 2024 at 7:10:34 AM UTC-4 Ryan wrote:
>>>
 Not only Leah likes those folders, Bill. Sweet!

 On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 10:52:12 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Well that's just adorable. I mean this absolutely sincerely, you're a 
> good man Bill Lindsay. 
>
> On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 6:13:33 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding 
> Ding! wrote:
>
>> You are the absolute best. You made a Ding Ding album? You broke your 
>> own rules and rode your Romulus! You posed a pink road bike against a 
>> floral backdrop? Hearts are coming out of my eyes. 
>> Leah
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 8:45:09 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> I built this Romulus over the Winter and have held off taking it on 
>>> its first ride until after I knocked out another few S.M.A.R.T. goals.  
>>> I 
>>> was especially eager to ride it because I just pulled together a sweet 
>>> ILE 
>>> porteur bag setup on a Riv Basket Rack.  Leah's thread that may result 
>>> in 
>>> her getting a Romulus finally made me take it out, on a ride to the 
>>> dentist, the bakery and the wine shop.  Pics prove it happened.  This 
>>> is my 
>>> new Ding Ding Album to collect photos that I think Leah may like.  
>>> Included 
>>> is my Pink Roadeo in front of some great flowers that I took on my 
>>> Sunday 
>>> 100k.  
>>>
>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/albums/72177720316423417/
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: RBW Mug & Hat

[J Schwartz]

If anyone has another one of these hats and would like to move it on, 
please let me know
I purchased one from Riv when they were released and wore it/washed it 
until the point to total disintegration.
love that hat.

On Monday, April 22, 2024 at 11:47:36 AM UTC-4 gbea...@gmail.com wrote:

> Mug and hat have been sold.
>
> On Sunday, April 21, 2024 at 1:09:16 PM UTC-4 Greg Beachy wrote:
>
>> Both are like new as I used them only once or twice. Time for them to 
>> find a home to someone who will use them. Price doesn't include shipping 
>> which I will provide after purchaser provides their zip code.
>>
>> Mug $20
>> Hat $20
>> Purchase both $35
>>
>> Best way to contact me is to text me at 502-974-7707 <(502)%20974-7707>.
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Thumb Shifter Advice

[J J]

Hi Aaron. I was just telling another list member privately that Paul 
Thumbies + Shimano SL-BS77s are my idea of shifting nirvana. We have this 
combo on five of our bikes. I use them strictly in friction mode and they 
totally fulfilled my quest for awesome shifting. No need to explore 
shifters anymore! 

With the high-end drivetrain you're setting up, I can't imagine you will 
find smoother, lighter, or more precise action. 

The caveat is that what works for one person won't necessarily work for 
someone else. It's subjective and idiosyncratic. 

Good luck!

Jim

On Tuesday, April 16, 2024 at 8:05:11 PM UTC-4 Glen wrote:

> When I switched up my Atlantis to Billy Bars a few years ago I also 
> ditched the bar ends for a Shimano Sora rapid fire rear shifter and one of 
> the Sunrace front shifters set up for left inner mounting. 
>
> I really like that setup but if you don't have the real estate in front of 
> your grips, that the Billy Bars have, you may find that the shifter gets in 
> the way of grasping the bars just in front of the grip. The left side has 
> much more room to grasp there and if you spend a lot of time climbing in 
> that position you may find the Sora uncomfortable and prefer the Sunrace 
> for both sides. 
>
> It had been almost 20 years since I last had indexing on a road bike and 
> it's kind of a nice change. I love it on my mountain bike but its a 1X and 
> I would never try to shift an indexed 3X (again)
>
> On Tuesday, April 16, 2024 at 9:50:21 AM UTC-6 tal...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I'll be building up one of the new Susies (in green) soon and I'm *debating 
>> my thumb-shifter options*. Do you have some advice?
>>
>> I'll be setting up
>>
>>- 9-speed Shimano RD (RD-M952)
>>- Triple Shimano FD (FD-M953) on a Silver Wide-low double
>>- Inside-mount thumb shifters on Sim Works (Nitto) Ramble bars
>>- Preferably, indexed shifting for the rear
>>
>> I know of
>>
>>- *Microshift*. I've got a lot of miles on their 11-speed thumb 
>>shifter on my commuter and I get ghost shifts no matter how much I tweak 
>>it. I have a lot fewer miles on their 2/3x9 pair on my 90s mountain bike 
>>and they haven't given me trouble. 
>>- *Paul Thumbie + Shimano SL-BS77*. Tempting, but expensive. Do you 
>>have experience with this setup? Can you compare it with Microshift?
>>- *Silver2*. Pretty, but not indexed and I'm a scared wimp. Can you 
>>convince me friction shifting is the way to go?
>>- *Are there other options* (including used or NOS) I should consider?
>>
>> Thanks in advance, 
>> Aaron
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Selling Betty Foy and Ives Gomez

[J S]

If I found a Yves in my size I would sell or trade my Sam. Being as that is 
doubtful I will continue to ride my bikes until I can no longer get my leg 
over the TT. Age has a way of humbling us. 

On Wednesday, March 27, 2024 at 2:56:05 PM UTC-4 wpes...@gmail.com wrote:

> I am 6’ tall with a 30” in seam. The saddle setting in the pic was for my 
> son who is 5’9”. My normal saddle setting is about 2” higher than what I 
> have in the picture. BTW the brakes are Paul center pull brakes. Sorry for 
> the typo. 
>
> On Wednesday, March 27, 2024 at 2:47:29 PM UTC-4 Michael Baquerizo wrote:
>
>> can i ask how tall you are / your PBH? That Yves looks as low as it could 
>> go, wondering if it would work for me.
>>
>> On Wednesday, March 27, 2024 at 2:41:28 PM UTC-4 wpes...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> [image: IMG_0268.jpeg]Betty found a new home but my Ives Gomez is still 
>>> available. It’s on a 60 cm frame with top of the line component upgrades 
>>> including White Industry hubs and bottom bracket, Pal center pull brakes, 
>>> Bull Moose handle bar, Shimano Ultegra Derailleurs, Nitto front and rear 
>>> racks. The bike is in very good condition with only minor wear marks. I 
>>> also have a new spare rim which comes with the bike. If interested please 
>>> send me a note for more pics and details. 
>>>
>>> On Thursday, December 14, 2023 at 11:37:16 AM UTC-5 walter peseckas 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I am selling both bikes which we purchased in 2013. We hate to sell but 
 in our age biking is no longer possible. The 60 cm Ives Gomez has top of 
 the line components upgrades including White Industries hubs and bottom 
 bracket, Paul center pull brakes, Nitto front and rear racks, Bull Moose 
 handle bar, Shimano Ultegra Derailleurs. The bike is in very good 
 condition 
 with only very minor paint scratches. The 55cm Betty Foy is in superb as 
 new condition with a spare set of fenders. If anyone is interested please 
 let me know. I can send pictures. 
>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] It's New Bike What?

[J J]

Thanks for taking the time for such a comprehensive response, Corwin. Super 
interesting and well thought-out choices.
 
(Your comments about the Onyx rear hub might be the final nudge I need to 
take the plunge on one!!)

Best wishes,

Jim

On Saturday, March 23, 2024 at 10:46:56 PM UTC-4 cz...@sonic.net wrote:

> Hi Jim -
>
> It's been close to three years between the theft of the original custom 
> and delivery of the new one. To be honest, the wait was about the same as 
> last time. Back then, there was a big backlog of custom frames waiting to 
> be built and waiting to be painted.
>
> Regarding the size - it's a 60.2. According to Grant, that 0.2 cm really 
> matters. Another difference between the two frames I neglected to mention 
> is this one has the minimum upslope: 1.5 degrees. The original had what 
> looks like a 3 degree upslope.
>
> Regarding the components -- I will give you a detailed analysis.
>
> Bottom bracket - Original had a Phil Wood with outboard bearings. The new 
> one has a Chris King with outboard ceramic bearings.
>
> Headset - Old was a Chris King Nothreadset. New is a Cane Creek 40.
>
> Crankset - both bikes have (or had) the same crankset - Shimano Ultegra 
> 6650 compact double. As I recall, the original custom had 46/34 chainrings. 
> The new chainrings are 48/34.
>
> Pedals - I had Tioga Surefoot 8 pedals on the original. Kept meaning to 
> put clipless on, but never got around to it. The new custom has Ritchey 
> Micro Road (one sided) clipless pedals.
>
> Stem/Handlebars - I started out with 48cm Noodles and a 13cm Nitto 
> threadless stem on the original. By the time I got things dialed in, I had 
> switched to an 8cm Nitto threadless stem. The new bars are Albastache. The 
> tape is the same between old and new - tan corkish tape.
>
> Seatpost - Same for both - Nitto Frog (NJ-SP72 27.2).
>
> Saddle - Old was a Fizik Aliante Gamma with Kium rails. New saddle is a 
> Fizik Aliante Gamma R3 with kium rails. The old saddle had been Recovered 
> by Carson Leh in Texas. By the time I contacted him again, Carson was no 
> longer recovering saddles. Carson referred me to Mick Peel in Australia who 
> recovered the new saddle and embossed the leather with the Rivendell logo.
>
> Front Derailleur - Old was a Campagnolo Mirage. New is a Shimano GX. 
> Although the bottom bracket drop and seat tube angles are the same for both 
> frames, the new bike is limited in the gears I can use from the big ring. 
> This could be due to my choice of a larger chainring.
>
> Rear Derailleur - Old was a Shimano Ultegra 9-speed. New is an SRAM  X0 
> medium cage.
>
> Shifters - Old were Shimano 600/Ultegra 9 speed shifting indexed. New are 
> SRAM 10 speed bar ends shifting indexed.
>
> Cassette - Old was 11-28 nine speed. New is 11-36 ten speed.
>
> Brakes - Old were Tektro R539 sidepulls. New are Tektro CX8.4 V-brakes. I 
> really loved the R539s. But I hate the lawyer tabs they added.
>
> Brake Levers - Old were SRAM 500 aluminum levers. New are SRAM 900 carbon 
> levers.
>
> Wheelset - Went through several iterations on the old custom. Started with 
> a SON Dynamo hub laced to Velocity Fusion rim in front. The rear was a 
> Chris King Classic Cross hub laced to a Velocity Fusion off-center rim. I 
> sold the front wheel after a year or so. Then had the rear wheel rebuilt 
> with the Chris King hub and Velocity A23 rim. Before the rebuild, I sent 
> the Chris King hub off for a new steel driveshell. I had a new front wheel 
> built with a Chris King Classic Cross hub and Velocity A23 rim. The new 
> wheelset is Onyx hubs laced to Velocity Quill rims. The Onyx rear hub has 
> ceramic bearings and a noiseless clutch. It's wild sneaking up on people 
> with a noiseless bike (even when coasting).
>
> Tires - My biggest gripe about the old custom was that I had spec'ed it to 
> take 35mm tires. Which it did. The new custom was spec'ed for 38mm tires 
> and will handle tires wider than 40mm (without fenders).
>
> Regards,
>
> Corwin
> On Saturday, March 23, 2024 at 6:35:18 PM UTC-7 J J wrote:
>
>> Congratulations, Corwin. It's lovely. It looks like such a fun bike. From 
>> what I recall, this has been a long time coming for you after your previous 
>> custom was stolen. 
>>
>> A couple of questions: do you mind sharing what size it is? The slammed 
>> bar I think is making it kind of hard for me to ascertain proportions.
>> Also, besides the switch to canti posts and V brakes, how does the 
>> build/components collection deviate from your previous custom? 
>>
>> Congrats again.
>>
>> Jim
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, March 23, 2024 at 4:31:08 PM UTC-4 cz...@sonic.n

Re: [RBW] It's New Bike What?

[J J]

Congratulations, Corwin. It's lovely. It looks like such a fun bike. From 
what I recall, this has been a long time coming for you after your previous 
custom was stolen. 

A couple of questions: do you mind sharing what size it is? The slammed bar 
I think is making it kind of hard for me to ascertain proportions.
Also, besides the switch to canti posts and V brakes, how does the 
build/components collection deviate from your previous custom? 

Congrats again.

Jim


On Saturday, March 23, 2024 at 4:31:08 PM UTC-4 cz...@sonic.net wrote:

> Hi Dave -
>
> It had a lot more dirt on it after last Saturday when I rode the Redlands 
> Strada Rossa. Ride Report to be posted shortly...
>
> Regards,
>
> CZ
>
> On Saturday, March 23, 2024 at 1:10:35 PM UTC-7 DavidP wrote:
>
>> Corbin, the nice about New Bike What? (as opposed to NBD) is that the 
>> bike has some dirt on it!
>>
>> -Dave
>>
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, March 23, 2024 at 3:50:13 PM UTC-4 cz...@sonic.net wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Rich -
>>>
>>> I can't take credit for the build. Mark Abele at Rivendell did it all. 
>>> Including getting the frame built by Mark Nobilette and painted by Joe Bell.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> CZ
>>>
>>> On Saturday, March 23, 2024 at 12:36:55 PM UTC-7 RichS wrote:
>>>
 Corwin, an adventurous build for an adventure bike. You must have had a 
 good time putting that one together. Love the result:-)))
 Thanks for showing it off.

 Best,
 Rich in ATL


 On Saturday, March 23, 2024 at 2:53:45 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Thanks, Corwin. I'm a pedal snob and love lightweight SPD-type pedals, 
> and there's a (earlier version?) pair of Micros on eBay for $25, but I 
> just 
> read reviews of the Micros and apparently their cleats and SPD cleats 
> aren't compatible; too bad, since I have SPDs on all my bikes now. 
>
> Bike Radar weighed the Micro version they reviewed at 208 grams, 
> lighter even than the old Xpedo titanium spindle pedals with 180 lb 
> weight 
> limit in my pedal stash, and a good 5 oz lighter than my go-to Dura Ace 
> spds.
>
> On Sat, Mar 23, 2024 at 12:30 PM Corwin Zechar  
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Patrick -
>>
>> Love the Richey Micros. They are one-sided and weighted to be in the 
>> optimal position when you want to clip in.
>>
>> I've had lots of Schwalbe tires. I get flats on almost every ride 
>> with G-Ones. But the Hurricanes have never flatted. I have them on three 
>> bikes now: Hubbuhubbuh, Custom and Quickbeam. I really like the cushy 
>> ride 
>> of supple tires. But a tire that flats nearly every time I ride is of no 
>> use to me. Reliability is very important to me.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> CZ
>>
>> On Saturday, March 23, 2024 at 11:03:40 AM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> Lovely and intriguing! Certainly an eclectic build -- that's a 
>>> positive. How do you like the Hurricanes and the Ritchey Micros?
>>>
>>> On Sat, Mar 23, 2024 at 10:42 AM John Bokman  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 That ride looks like so much fun! Love the color pop of the Red 
 brakes on Purple frameset. Reminds me of days on my 1994 Maroon 
 mustached 
 XO-3. Also my 1990 MB2 (because it was also purple). Thanks for 
 posting 
 Corwin.

 John

 On Saturday, March 23, 2024 at 3:30:25 AM UTC-7 Eric Daume wrote:

> Looks great, and I love the color, and the fat tires with 
> the Albastache combo.
>
> I think you win the Riv with the lowest bars award!
>
> Eric
>
> On Sat, Mar 23, 2024 at 2:03 AM Corwin Zechar  
> wrote:
>
>> It's definitely not new bike day. That was back in the first week 
>> of February. Not even New Bike Month. So it's New Bike Quarter?
>>
>> Anyway, I picked up my much anticipated and long-awaited custom 
>> Rivendell last month. Some interesting aspects include:
>>
>> 1) SRAM drop bar levers mounted on opposite sides (with respect 
>> to normal drop bar mounting) on Nitto Albastache bars - as suggested 
>> by 
>> Bill Lindsay.
>>
>> 2) A Fizik Aliante Gamma saddle recovered by Mick Peel in 
>> Australia and sporting the Rivendell logo.
>>
>> 3) A Rich Lesnik built wheelset with Onyx hubs and Velocity Quill 
>> rims.
>>
>> 4) SRAM rear derailer and SRAM bar-end shifters.
>>
>> 5) Shimano Ultegra 6650 compact double crankset with TA 
>> Specialities chainrings
>>
>> 6) Chris King bottom bracket with outboard bearings.
>>
>> 7) DT Swiss skewers.
>>
>> 8) Custom lug carving by Mark Nobilette.
>>
>> 9) Ritchey Micro Road pedals.
>>
>> 10) 

Re: [RBW] Re: Rapid rise derailleur suggestion

[J J]

I'm 100 percent with Jock on this issue. It's hard to take the Disraeli 
Gears comments about the XT RD-M760 seriously, dripping as they are with 
dismissiveness. We've had long threads on this forum about low normal 
derailleurs before, and I still find the myths that circulate about Rapid 
Rise perplexing. For example, the myths that Rapid Rise performs "worse" 
than high normal, or it's harder to set up or index, or that (per the 
Disraeli Gears comments) it's somehow more prone to rust than other 
derailleurs in the same general series, like the XT M750,  built with the 
same material.

The reason I favor RR comes down to a shifting logic that works better for 
my brain and motor coordination than high normal. I shift in friction mode 
on all my bikes, which all have low normal rear ders. I like that I can 
move both levers in the same direction to get to higher/harder or 
lower/easier gears instead of moving oppositely. That's about it. I do 
think there are a few other benefits of RR: if my shift cable broke, the RR 
spring will push the derailleur to the easiest gear instead of the hardest, 
thus avoiding a potential high-gear slog home. But how often do cables 
break? RR also seems to shift more easily to lower/easier gears under load. 
But maybe this is a misattribution. Maybe I've simply gotten better about 
timing my shifts and floating the pedals. 

It does not mean that I have *trouble* with high normal shifting! To the 
contrary, high normal is just fine. Low normal is just a preference. What 
works great for Rapid Rise adherents won't necessarily work great for 
anyone else. Once you try RR, the possible outcomes will be that you like 
it, you hate it, or that you're more or less neutral about it. (You will 
also realize that one way or another, it is not earth shattering or life 
changing, nor will it make you a more skilled and faster rider). 

Any shifts I have missed or bungled are totally attributable to user error, 
to my timing or judgement, and not anything inherent to a high normal vs. 
low normal modality.

Finally, all Rapid Rise rear ders I have tried, from the humble end to the 
fancy XTRs, work beautifully. The differences between them are refinement 
level, materials, weight, looks, aesthetics, and so on, just like every 
other Shimano product categories that are stratified by price point.

On Tuesday, March 19, 2024 at 10:38:41 PM UTC-4 John Dewey wrote:

> @ http://disraeligears.co.uk/…well I suppose if you pedal around in a 
> saltwater bath, like some of those unfortunate souls…that might happen. 
>
> For those us who ride under sunny skies now and again—and take care of 
> stuff properly—I can tell you that after years and years of working those 
> mechs, never a mixed-up shift that wasn’t my doing and not even a 
> microscopic spot of corrosion to be found anywhere. 
>
> Total hooey I say. And I’ve got the goods to prove it 浪
>
> Jock
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 19, 2024 at 7:15 PM Chintan Jadwani  
> wrote:
>
>> Another question - from a couple of reviews here people seem indifference 
>> of the performance between low vs high normal. But online elsewhwre, there 
>> seems to be strong dislike for low normal - why is that? 
>>
>> For example - disraeligears.co.uk writes for the xt m760
>>
>> "The Shimano Deore XT (M760) is my absolutely least favourite Deore XT 
>> variant. It has cheap (rust prone) detailing, unnecessary styling and, 
>> worst of all, it’s low normal. not your obvious choice for slogging your 
>> way through the mud and grime of a British winter. Bring back stainless 
>> steel small parts, polished finishes and top normal operating logic."
>>
>> On Wed, 20 Mar, 2024, 5:07 am John Dewey,  wrote:
>>
>>> And the Rivendell ‘fan base’ is a subset of another and another so as to 
>>> be mostly inconsequential. We do count, however and a few brave souls do 
>>> sort-of OK serving us. 
>>>
>>> Nevertheless, most of us (even here in RBW’s backyard) seldom cross 
>>> paths with cyclists with whom we have anything in common other than two 
>>> wheels. We’re already a bit abnormal and ‘low-normal’ makes us even more 
>>> so. 
>>>
>>> Jock (and his fleet of abnormal low-normals)
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 19, 2024 at 9:41 AM Johnny Alien  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I have to think that most of the market for these is from the Rivendell 
 fan base. I don't hear any other bike group talking about them at all. 
 Because of that I kind of think IF Riv ends up bringing their new one to 
 market the used scene will come WAY down. Just a theory. I really hope 
 that 
 I can test the theory (because they successfully release it)

 On Tuesday, March 19, 2024 at 12:14:10 PM UTC-4 chintan...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Thank you all for the replies :) Now that I know of the RR, every time 
> I am on an uphill and I have to push the gear to climb higher on the 
> cassette I feel some justification for having a "low-normal" derailleur. 
>
> Thanks 

Re: [RBW] I have questions

[J]

You don't say which Gravel King model you are using, but I see in your 
Philly post that you have Ultradynamico Cava tires on your bike. So maybe 
you run the file tread GK? Anyhow, I rode through 2 sets of 700x42 Gravel 
King SK on my old Sam Hillbourne before moving up to 700x50 which just 
barely fit. I thought I'd notice a big difference but it turned out not to 
be true, as long as I kept the air pressure up. I only have 650b bikes now, 
and don't ride Gravel King SK after discovering the Rene Herse file tread 
much smoother and faster "feeling". I've switched back and forth from 42 
and 48mm RH file treads as well as 42 Gran Bois and have settled on 48mm RH 
(Switchback Hill) which measures quite a bit over 48mm on my wheels. The 
42mm tires gave the perception that I was faster but the strava data did 
not corroborate, and the 48mm have so much lovely float over gravel 
compared to anything narrower or with tooth, I figured why bother? YMMV but 
I think 48s won't be an issue. If my words sway you at all towards RH, just 
keep in mind that they are not great in wet conditions with steep descents 
combined with rim brakes. I learned this twice this fall, and kept RH 
knobbies on until a few days ago. 

mysterious J

On Wednesday, March 20, 2024 at 11:42:19 AM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:

> The 60 mm Schwalbe Big Ones that used to be on my dirt road Matthews were 
> among the very fastest-rolling tires I've used, including various "racing" 
> tires and 2 extralight RH models. I'd say that the right 48 mm tire will 
> roll plenty fast. 
>
> I've not used any Gravel Kings.
>
> Patrick "it's not my tires that make me slow" Moore
>
> On Tue, Mar 19, 2024 at 7:10 PM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
> jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> ... Can 48 mm tires do a 15-17 mph road ride pace? I have 42 on all my 
>> other bikes. Would 48s be slow? The ride is a 2 day event, 100 miles total. 
>> I’d like to keep the tires if I could, because they’re new and they are fat 
>> enough to also double as gravel tires, should I decide to do a gravel ride 
>> again. But I do more road rides than anything else, and if those 48s will 
>> cripple me, I’ll go back to 42s. What’s the consensus?
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS - Spring Cleaning - Nitto, Crust, Tektro, Etc.

[J C]

*UPDATING THE LIST WITH WHATS BEEN CLAIMED See Highlighted Below*

*** I should have shipping details available tonight for those who I have 
spoken with, apologies for the delay ***

Thanks!

JC

*New or Like New Stuff*

Nitto Noodle 52cm: $100
Nitto RM-013 Dirt Drop: $75
Nitto Wavie 660: $100
Crust Ron's Bar: $100
Salsa Cowchipper: $50
Tektro CR720: $50
Tektro 559 (nutted version): $40
Dia Compe Long Reach (nutted): $40
Avid BB7 MTN: $50
Crust Hand Sanitizer Levers: $30
Brooks C17 Cambium: $80
Shimano Claris FD: $25

*Used Stuff*
Soma Cazaderos 700x50: $50/pair
Rene Herse Fleecer Ridge 700x55: $60/New, $40/3 months use
Suntour Levers: $20



On Sunday, March 17, 2024 at 12:21:34 PM UTC-7 J Imler wrote:

> PM sent on Dia Compe Long Reach.
>
> On Saturday, March 16, 2024 at 4:51:46 PM UTC-7 J C wrote:
>
>> Greetings all,
>>
>> In making room for a new Roadeo, i've been doing some spring cleaning and 
>> decided it was time to get rid of some things i've had for way too long.
>>
>> Most items are new or like new condition. 
>>
>> Prices do not include shipping, feel free to make reasonable offers.
>>
>> *Photos here:*
>>
>>
>> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1t_CxLajkB-9nPWjkQ5EDMNxfJijb-PES?usp=sharing
>>
>> *New or Like New Stuff*
>>
>> Nitto Noodle 52cm: $100
>> Nitto RM-013 Dirt Drop: $75
>> Nitto Wavie 660: $100
>> Crust Ron's Bar: $100
>> Salsa Cowchipper: $50
>> Tektro CR720: $50
>> Tektro 559 (nutted version): $40
>> Dia Compe Long Reach (nutted): $40
>> Avid BB7 MTN: $50
>> Crust Hand Sanitizer Levers: $30
>> Brooks C17 Cambium: $80
>> Shimano Claris FD: $25
>>
>> *Used Stuff*
>> Soma Cazaderos 700x50: $50/pair
>> Rene Herse Fleecer Ridge 700x55: $60/New, $40/3 months use
>> Suntour Levers: $20
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> JC in Southern California
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS - Spring Cleaning - Nitto, Crust, Tektro, Etc.

[J Imler]

PM sent on Dia Compe Long Reach.

On Saturday, March 16, 2024 at 4:51:46 PM UTC-7 J C wrote:

> Greetings all,
>
> In making room for a new Roadeo, i've been doing some spring cleaning and 
> decided it was time to get rid of some things i've had for way too long.
>
> Most items are new or like new condition. 
>
> Prices do not include shipping, feel free to make reasonable offers.
>
> *Photos here:*
>
>
> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1t_CxLajkB-9nPWjkQ5EDMNxfJijb-PES?usp=sharing
>
> *New or Like New Stuff*
>
> Nitto Noodle 52cm: $100
> Nitto RM-013 Dirt Drop: $75
> Nitto Wavie 660: $100
> Crust Ron's Bar: $100
> Salsa Cowchipper: $50
> Tektro CR720: $50
> Tektro 559 (nutted version): $40
> Dia Compe Long Reach (nutted): $40
> Avid BB7 MTN: $50
> Crust Hand Sanitizer Levers: $30
> Brooks C17 Cambium: $80
> Shimano Claris FD: $25
>
> *Used Stuff*
> Soma Cazaderos 700x50: $50/pair
> Rene Herse Fleecer Ridge 700x55: $60/New, $40/3 months use
> Suntour Levers: $20
>
> Thanks,
>
> JC in Southern California
>

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[RBW] FS - Spring Cleaning - Nitto, Crust, Tektro, Etc.

[J C]

Greetings all,

In making room for a new Roadeo, i've been doing some spring cleaning and 
decided it was time to get rid of some things i've had for way too long.

Most items are new or like new condition. 

Prices do not include shipping, feel free to make reasonable offers.

*Photos here:*

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1t_CxLajkB-9nPWjkQ5EDMNxfJijb-PES?usp=sharing

*New or Like New Stuff*

Nitto Noodle 52cm: $100
Nitto RM-013 Dirt Drop: $75
Nitto Wavie 660: $100
Crust Ron's Bar: $100
Salsa Cowchipper: $50
Tektro CR720: $50
Tektro 559 (nutted version): $40
Dia Compe Long Reach (nutted): $40
Avid BB7 MTN: $50
Crust Hand Sanitizer Levers: $30
Brooks C17 Cambium: $80
Shimano Claris FD: $25

*Used Stuff*
Soma Cazaderos 700x50: $50/pair
Rene Herse Fleecer Ridge 700x55: $60/New, $40/3 months use
Suntour Levers: $20

Thanks,

JC in Southern California

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[RBW] Re: FS: Roadini 50cm

[Greg J]

price?

On Tuesday, March 12, 2024 at 1:15:47 PM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote:

> How was the ride? Looks like it has lots of elevation. How did you like 
> the Roadini?
> Doug
>
> On Tuesday, March 12, 2024 at 1:40:04 PM UTC-4 cramer@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Impulse buy,  built it up last year to ride the Triple Bypass.  Maybe 250 
>> miles on it. No dents, but a  small chip on the chainstay. 
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Smooth Post Brake Pads

[Greg J]

Thanks, both, for the very clear explanations!  I will have to go see how 
badly mine have gotten --- but that said, my 2 bikes brake great with 986 
and 987 brakes with Kool-Stop salmon shoes.

Greg / Oakland

On Monday, March 11, 2024 at 11:53:33 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Dia Compe 986 and the Ritchey Logic variant of them would 
> bend/squish/deform four different ways in my ham-handed hands.  
>
> Facing the brake, the stack of parts was:
>
> 1. Allen Nut.  It takes a 6mm allen wrench.  It's threaded internally 
> M6x1.0mm and threads onto the eye bolt
> 2. flat steel washer
> 3. Aluminum concave spacer wraps around a convex surface on brake arm
> 4. Brake arm.  Presents a convex surface up front and a concave surface in 
> back
> 5. Aluminum convex spacer nestles into the concave backside of the brake 
> arm
> 6. Eye bolt that grabs the brake pad post.  Has 10mm flats built into it 
> so you can hold it in place with a 10mm wrench
>
> Because of 1 and 6, you'd use a 6mm allen key and a 10mm wrench, which 
> practically begs you to over tighten it.  Everything that takes a 6mm allen 
> normally ought to be good and tight.  On almost all other brakes, the 
> eyebolt has no flats, so you hold the brake pad steady with your fingers as 
> you tighten the bolt.  It's harder to overtighten something with that 
> technique.  
>
> When you over tighten a 986 (or Logic), the four ways to cause damage are:
>
> A. The "smooth post" pads weren't smooth.  They were serrated.  Those 
> serrations bite deep into part #5, making future rotation adjustments hard. 
> B. Part #5 itself would squish, ovalize, imprint itself into the height 
> adjustment slot
> C. Part #3 would squish, ovalize, imprint itself into the height 
> adjustment slot
> D. The post itself would bend
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
> On Monday, March 11, 2024 at 10:46:15 AM UTC-7 Greg J wrote:
>
>> Bill and Ted,  can you explain what you mean by the Dia Compe 986 
>> deforming or squishing when overtightened?  These are my favorite cantis. 
>>  What should I be careful about over tightening, and what part is prone to 
>> deforming?
>>
>> Thanks, 
>> Greg / Oakland
>>
>> On Sunday, March 10, 2024 at 8:18:38 AM UTC-7 Ted Durant wrote:
>>
>>> On Sunday, March 10, 2024 at 9:11:20 AM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
>>> ...Smooth post cantilevers, in my view, raise the ceiling for a good 
>>> mechanic.  I feel like the extra work required represents the mechanical 
>>> "envelope" to get things perfect.  On these forums (RBW, IBOB, 650B) I've 
>>> advised that the typical home-mechanic should probably not take on Rene 
>>> Herse Cantilevers, it's too heavy a lift.  The second reason is that smooth 
>>> post cantilevers give me more room to play with rim width.  In the hands of 
>>> the right mechanic, I think smooth post cantilevers are preferable. 
>>>
>>>
>>> Such a great, thoughtful response, Bill. I encourage everyone to read it 
>>> through, even though I've kept just a small part of it here.
>>>
>>> I had a laugh because Dia Compe 986 are exactly what I had in mind about 
>>> impossible to readjust brakes. 20 year old me had them on both a Marukin 
>>> Northstar and a Santana Elan. The Santana was especially challenging 
>>> because Santana placed the mounts way too close together. They might have 
>>> worked on a 5mm wide rim. The tandem was my wife's and my wedding gift to 
>>> each other, and around our 30th anniversary I had Waterford do a full 
>>> repaint and I replaced all the components with updated parts. Shimano CX-70 
>>> brakes were a revelation and for the first time I had fully confident 
>>> braking on the bike. Wished I had them on our honeymoon, camping in Vermont!
>>>
>>> I hadn't thought much about rim width in writing my initial post, 
>>> probably because I'd forgotten about the initial installation and choosing 
>>> the right bolt/spacer combo on the CX-50s. But I don't think my mind is 
>>> changed about the extent to which the Shimano CX system improves on smooth 
>>> posts. On the contrary, the fact that I didn't have to think about that 
>>> part of the setup when changing pads illustrates one of its advantages for 
>>> me. Different length bolts and spacers would be compatible with the adapter 
>>> I have in mind. Fortunately, having put 4 sets of CX brakes on bikes, I 
>>> have a pretty good supply of spacers and bolts :-). I don't think the 
>>> weight gain, if there is any, would be enough to change my mind.  
>>>

[RBW] Re: Smooth Post Brake Pads

[Greg J]

Bill and Ted,  can you explain what you mean by the Dia Compe 986 deforming 
or squishing when overtightened?  These are my favorite cantis.  What 
should I be careful about over tightening, and what part is prone to 
deforming?

Thanks, 
Greg / Oakland

On Sunday, March 10, 2024 at 8:18:38 AM UTC-7 Ted Durant wrote:

> On Sunday, March 10, 2024 at 9:11:20 AM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> ...Smooth post cantilevers, in my view, raise the ceiling for a good 
> mechanic.  I feel like the extra work required represents the mechanical 
> "envelope" to get things perfect.  On these forums (RBW, IBOB, 650B) I've 
> advised that the typical home-mechanic should probably not take on Rene 
> Herse Cantilevers, it's too heavy a lift.  The second reason is that smooth 
> post cantilevers give me more room to play with rim width.  In the hands of 
> the right mechanic, I think smooth post cantilevers are preferable. 
>
>
> Such a great, thoughtful response, Bill. I encourage everyone to read it 
> through, even though I've kept just a small part of it here.
>
> I had a laugh because Dia Compe 986 are exactly what I had in mind about 
> impossible to readjust brakes. 20 year old me had them on both a Marukin 
> Northstar and a Santana Elan. The Santana was especially challenging 
> because Santana placed the mounts way too close together. They might have 
> worked on a 5mm wide rim. The tandem was my wife's and my wedding gift to 
> each other, and around our 30th anniversary I had Waterford do a full 
> repaint and I replaced all the components with updated parts. Shimano CX-70 
> brakes were a revelation and for the first time I had fully confident 
> braking on the bike. Wished I had them on our honeymoon, camping in Vermont!
>
> I hadn't thought much about rim width in writing my initial post, probably 
> because I'd forgotten about the initial installation and choosing the right 
> bolt/spacer combo on the CX-50s. But I don't think my mind is changed about 
> the extent to which the Shimano CX system improves on smooth posts. On the 
> contrary, the fact that I didn't have to think about that part of the setup 
> when changing pads illustrates one of its advantages for me. Different 
> length bolts and spacers would be compatible with the adapter I have in 
> mind. Fortunately, having put 4 sets of CX brakes on bikes, I have a pretty 
> good supply of spacers and bolts :-). I don't think the weight gain, if 
> there is any, would be enough to change my mind.  
>
> One thing that the CX and Rene Herse brakes have in common, that makes 
> them such a pleasure (and so much easier) to work on, is the quality of the 
> hardware. 
>
> Ted Durant
> Milwaukee, WI USA
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Anyone else not a fan of the very long chainstays?

[J S]

Kim, I have the height  I need while it is maxed out it is just what I
need.



On Sun, Mar 10, 2024 at 1:59 PM Kim H.  wrote:

> @Joel,
>
> It is quite comforting to hear that I am not alone in not wanting to have
> a threadless stem on my bicycle, my Clem. I only have one bicycle that I
> ride. The other is a retired road bike that I would like to sell to a good
> home.
>
> Would the Nitto Technomic NTC-280 stem help you get the height you want on
> your favorite bike ?
>
> Kim Hetzel.
>
>
> On Sun, Mar 10, 2024, 5:51 AM J S  wrote:
>
>> Kim, I agree, I have never wanted a threadless stem, probably for the
>> same reasons as you. In my mind a threadless stem will not give me the
>> height I desire, maybe I am wrong but I have my bikes and will not be
>> adding any more.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Mar 9, 2024 at 8:51 PM Kim H.  wrote:
>>
>>> @Joel,
>>> You are more than welcome.
>>> I was very fortunate to find this very quill stem. I could not bring
>>> myself to go threadless, after over 40 years going used to quill stems. I
>>> am very slow to change, by the way. I am very happy with the The Nitto
>>> Technomic NTC-280 stem.
>>>
>>> Kim Hetzel.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Saturday, March 9, 2024 at 4:27:13 PM UTC-8 jrst...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks Kim. I have only used Technomic stems because they were the
>>> longest available when I started with Riv in ‘97 or so. I think on my first
>>> road I used the shorter Technomic deluxe.
>>>
>>> On Sat, Mar 9, 2024 at 7:23 PM Kim H.  wrote:
>>>
>>> @Joel,
>>> The  Nitto Technomic NTC-280 stemis very much different than that of
>>> the Nitto Technomic Tallux in that the NTC-280 stem's quill is a length of
>>> 11.02 inches, while the Tallux stem's quill length is shorter, 10.3 inches.
>>>
>>> This is where I bought mine:
>>> https://alexscycle.com/products/nitto-technomic-ntc-280-stem-1
>>>
>>> Kim Hetzel.
>>> On Saturday, March 9, 2024 at 5:50:11 AM UTC-8 jrst...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Kim, is this  NITTO Technomic NTC-280 Stem the same as the Technomic? I
>>> never heard the NTC-280 part before. The Technomic is the old high stem I
>>> think Riv now calls the Tallux.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 8, 2024 at 9:52 PM Kim H.  wrote:
>>>
>>> @John,
>>> From you have spoken about more weight distribution further back on the
>>> rear wheel and the handlebars closer to the rider for a comfortable upright
>>> riding position, in my case with my 52cm Clem "L" bike, I have found myself
>>> very comfortable with more weight on the back wheel with a Sakae Ringyo
>>> MTE-100 seat post paired with a Brooks B-66S saddle. As far as getting the
>>> my Nitto Bosco bars higher and closer to me, I found a NITTO Technomic
>>> NTC-280 Stem to get me there. The stem is outrageously tall, yet it all
>>> works for me with everything around these long chain stays as a senior
>>> cyclist.
>>>
>>> Kim Hetzel. [image: 20240128_143701hhh.jpg]
>>>
>>> On Friday, March 8, 2024 at 8:04:12 AM UTC-8 John Johnson wrote:
>>>
>>> I have both normal and longish chainstay bikes in my house. I like the
>>> aesthetics of both, and they both feel "normal" (like Matt from Crust said)
>>> once you're riding.
>>>
>>> I know way less about bike handling and geometry than most of you, but
>>> one thing I assume that when you're riding in a more upright position, you
>>> want those long chainstays because your center of gravity is more aft than
>>> with a "traditional" bike position, where you are leaned a bit more forward
>>> on your hands and your weight is distributed more up front. It makes
>>> intuitive sense to me, and if you look at both Jones and Riv, the comfy
>>> upright position that they both aim for (albeit via different routes)
>>> involves getting the bars closer to you (high stack and short reach in the
>>> case of Jones, high handlebars in the case of Riv) and long chainstays. It
>>> would make sense that if the rider's weight is supposed to be farther back,
>>> the bike design should take this into account.
>>>
>>> -John
>>> On Friday, March 8, 2024 at 3:57:29 PM UTC+1 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>> Well, the larger volume tires are definitely part of the ride quality
>>> equation. If they are “bouncy” the pressure 

Re: [RBW] Re: Anyone else not a fan of the very long chainstays?

[J S]

Kim, I agree, I have never wanted a threadless stem, probably for the same
reasons as you. In my mind a threadless stem will not give me the height I
desire, maybe I am wrong but I have my bikes and will not be adding any
more.



On Sat, Mar 9, 2024 at 8:51 PM Kim H.  wrote:

> @Joel,
> You are more than welcome.
> I was very fortunate to find this very quill stem. I could not bring
> myself to go threadless, after over 40 years going used to quill stems. I
> am very slow to change, by the way. I am very happy with the The Nitto
> Technomic NTC-280 stem.
>
> Kim Hetzel.
>
>
> On Saturday, March 9, 2024 at 4:27:13 PM UTC-8 jrst...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Thanks Kim. I have only used Technomic stems because they were the longest
> available when I started with Riv in ‘97 or so. I think on my first road I
> used the shorter Technomic deluxe.
>
> On Sat, Mar 9, 2024 at 7:23 PM Kim H.  wrote:
>
> @Joel,
> The  Nitto Technomic NTC-280 stemis very much different than that of the
> Nitto Technomic Tallux in that the NTC-280 stem's quill is a length of
> 11.02 inches, while the Tallux stem's quill length is shorter, 10.3 inches.
>
> This is where I bought mine:
> https://alexscycle.com/products/nitto-technomic-ntc-280-stem-1
>
> Kim Hetzel.
> On Saturday, March 9, 2024 at 5:50:11 AM UTC-8 jrst...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>
> Kim, is this  NITTO Technomic NTC-280 Stem the same as the Technomic? I
> never heard the NTC-280 part before. The Technomic is the old high stem I
> think Riv now calls the Tallux.
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 8, 2024 at 9:52 PM Kim H.  wrote:
>
> @John,
> From you have spoken about more weight distribution further back on the
> rear wheel and the handlebars closer to the rider for a comfortable upright
> riding position, in my case with my 52cm Clem "L" bike, I have found myself
> very comfortable with more weight on the back wheel with a Sakae Ringyo
> MTE-100 seat post paired with a Brooks B-66S saddle. As far as getting the
> my Nitto Bosco bars higher and closer to me, I found a NITTO Technomic
> NTC-280 Stem to get me there. The stem is outrageously tall, yet it all
> works for me with everything around these long chain stays as a senior
> cyclist.
>
> Kim Hetzel. [image: 20240128_143701hhh.jpg]
>
> On Friday, March 8, 2024 at 8:04:12 AM UTC-8 John Johnson wrote:
>
> I have both normal and longish chainstay bikes in my house. I like the
> aesthetics of both, and they both feel "normal" (like Matt from Crust said)
> once you're riding.
>
> I know way less about bike handling and geometry than most of you, but one
> thing I assume that when you're riding in a more upright position, you want
> those long chainstays because your center of gravity is more aft than with
> a "traditional" bike position, where you are leaned a bit more forward on
> your hands and your weight is distributed more up front. It makes intuitive
> sense to me, and if you look at both Jones and Riv, the comfy upright
> position that they both aim for (albeit via different routes) involves
> getting the bars closer to you (high stack and short reach in the case of
> Jones, high handlebars in the case of Riv) and long chainstays. It would
> make sense that if the rider's weight is supposed to be farther back, the
> bike design should take this into account.
>
> -John
> On Friday, March 8, 2024 at 3:57:29 PM UTC+1 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Well, the larger volume tires are definitely part of the ride quality
> equation. If they are “bouncy” the pressure is too high.
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Mar 8, 2024, at 8:50 AM, Chris Halasz  wrote:
>
> I'll chime in that while the very long (54cm?) chainstays on some of the
> frames introduce some storage concerns, they (the Platypus, for instance)
> ride very, very nicely.
>
>
> That said, I dislike the common (what, 41cm?) short chainstays far more
> than I dislike the extended variety.
>
> My chainstay sweet spot compromise may be more like 46cm, but I find
> myself drawn to even longer.
>
> What I haven't yet come to appreciate are large tires for road use, say,
> anything over 35mm. The longer chainstay bikes, to me, start to look
> nervous with narrower tires. I really like the looks of the Clem H, though.
>
> Maybe there's more learning for me to appreciate the wider, heavier,
> bouncier tread. But that's another topic.
>
> - Chris
> On Thursday, March 7, 2024 at 8:30:45 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Ian thinks "there's a heaping good portion of "I got mine" in your
> perspective."
>
> You are allowed to think whatever you like about me and my motives.  Are
> you in the market for a new (to you) bike now?  What is your build concept?
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thursday, March 7, 2024 at 4:02:18 PM UTC-8 ian m wrote:
>
> On Thursday, March 7, 2024 at 12:26:11 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> All those wanting Rivendell to re-release bikes they made 10 years ago do
> NOT have to turn in their Riv card, but they ARE outing themselves as PAWNS
> of the T 

Re: [RBW] Re: Anyone else not a fan of the very long chainstays?

[J S]

Thanks Kim. I have only used Technomic stems because they were the longest
available when I started with Riv in ‘97 or so. I think on my first road I
used the shorter Technomic deluxe.

On Sat, Mar 9, 2024 at 7:23 PM Kim H.  wrote:

> @Joel,
> The  Nitto Technomic NTC-280 stemis very much different than that of the
> Nitto Technomic Tallux in that the NTC-280 stem's quill is a length of
> 11.02 inches, while the Tallux stem's quill length is shorter, 10.3 inches.
>
> This is where I bought mine:
> https://alexscycle.com/products/nitto-technomic-ntc-280-stem-1
>
> Kim Hetzel.
> On Saturday, March 9, 2024 at 5:50:11 AM UTC-8 jrst...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>>
>> Kim, is this  NITTO Technomic NTC-280 Stem the same as the Technomic? I
>> never heard the NTC-280 part before. The Technomic is the old high stem I
>> think Riv now calls the Tallux.
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 8, 2024 at 9:52 PM Kim H.  wrote:
>>
>>> @John,
>>> From you have spoken about more weight distribution further back on the
>>> rear wheel and the handlebars closer to the rider for a comfortable upright
>>> riding position, in my case with my 52cm Clem "L" bike, I have found myself
>>> very comfortable with more weight on the back wheel with a Sakae Ringyo
>>> MTE-100 seat post paired with a Brooks B-66S saddle. As far as getting the
>>> my Nitto Bosco bars higher and closer to me, I found a NITTO Technomic
>>> NTC-280 Stem to get me there. The stem is outrageously tall, yet it all
>>> works for me with everything around these long chain stays as a senior
>>> cyclist.
>>>
>>> Kim Hetzel. [image: 20240128_143701hhh.jpg]
>>>
>>> On Friday, March 8, 2024 at 8:04:12 AM UTC-8 John Johnson wrote:
>>>
 I have both normal and longish chainstay bikes in my house. I like the
 aesthetics of both, and they both feel "normal" (like Matt from Crust said)
 once you're riding.

 I know way less about bike handling and geometry than most of you, but
 one thing I assume that when you're riding in a more upright position, you
 want those long chainstays because your center of gravity is more aft than
 with a "traditional" bike position, where you are leaned a bit more forward
 on your hands and your weight is distributed more up front. It makes
 intuitive sense to me, and if you look at both Jones and Riv, the comfy
 upright position that they both aim for (albeit via different routes)
 involves getting the bars closer to you (high stack and short reach in the
 case of Jones, high handlebars in the case of Riv) and long chainstays. It
 would make sense that if the rider's weight is supposed to be farther back,
 the bike design should take this into account.

 -John
 On Friday, March 8, 2024 at 3:57:29 PM UTC+1 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> Well, the larger volume tires are definitely part of the ride quality
> equation. If they are “bouncy” the pressure is too high.
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Mar 8, 2024, at 8:50 AM, Chris Halasz  wrote:
>
> I'll chime in that while the very long (54cm?) chainstays on some of
> the frames introduce some storage concerns, they (the Platypus, for
> instance) ride very, very nicely.
>
>
> That said, I dislike the common (what, 41cm?) short chainstays far
> more than I dislike the extended variety.
>
> My chainstay sweet spot compromise may be more like 46cm, but I find
> myself drawn to even longer.
>
> What I haven't yet come to appreciate are large tires for road use,
> say, anything over 35mm. The longer chainstay bikes, to me, start to look
> nervous with narrower tires. I really like the looks of the Clem H, 
> though.
>
> Maybe there's more learning for me to appreciate the wider, heavier,
> bouncier tread. But that's another topic.
>
> - Chris
> On Thursday, March 7, 2024 at 8:30:45 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> Ian thinks "there's a heaping good portion of "I got mine" in your
>> perspective."
>>
>> You are allowed to think whatever you like about me and my motives.
>> Are you in the market for a new (to you) bike now?  What is your build
>> concept?
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, March 7, 2024 at 4:02:18 PM UTC-8 ian m wrote:
>>
>>> On Thursday, March 7, 2024 at 12:26:11 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
>>> All those wanting Rivendell to re-release bikes they made 10 years
>>> ago do NOT have to turn in their Riv card, but they ARE outing 
>>> themselves
>>> as PAWNS of the T IC.  Resist the pressures of the Time and Date
>>> Industrial Complex!
>>>
>>>
>>> BL I feel like I understand where you're coming from in this thread
>>> and largely I don't disagree with much of what you're saying but I think
>>> there's a heaping good portion of "I got mine" in your perspective. 
>>> 

[RBW] Re: Video: Repairing Pam Murray's Silver shifters

[J J]

This was good to watch — generous of you to share with the community, Eric.
Now referencing "turducken" in a Riv-aligned video was probably a 
firstand somehow very fitting...
Thanks again

Jim

On Wednesday, March 6, 2024 at 11:30:10 AM UTC-5 wls...@gmail.com wrote:

> Love your videos Eric, very relaxing.
>
> On Wednesday, March 6, 2024 at 10:40:31 AM UTC-5 diana@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Great video! Thank you for sharing.
>>
>> Diana 
>> San Francisco 
>>
>> On Wednesday, March 6, 2024 at 6:02:33 AM UTC-8 Garth wrote:
>>
>>> Good Job Eric ! 
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, March 6, 2024 at 7:48:05 AM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Hi everyone — Last fall Pam Murray sent me some Silver shifter levers 
 that were in need of repair. They came off her high-mileage Betty Foy 
 after 
 the springs wore out. 

 Thanks to Mike Godwin for sending me a broken pair of the old Suntour 
 Sprint levers, they provided the parts I needed to get Pam's shifters back 
 up and running. 

 I made a video about the process, it's up here: 
 https://youtu.be/0g67pjAPYZk

 I hope this is helpful to anyone looking to get their worn out or 
 broken Silver v1 or v2 shifters back into shape.

 Cheers! 

>>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: XTR, Nitto, B68, Deer Head, XT, other misc. bits

[J J]

Thanks, Eric! You call it a collection, others might call it an "obsessive 
hoard" lol

Great video on Pam's shifters! I guess I outta thank you in the other 
thread :) 

On Wednesday, March 6, 2024 at 7:50:40 AM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Just stopping by to say I continue to admire your collection of rapid 
> risers! 
>
> On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 12:27:56 AM UTC-5 J J wrote:
>
>>
>> *Update #2, the following items are still available:*
>>
>>
>>
>>- XTR BR-M900 NOS cantilever brakes (one F/R set sold, one F/R set 
>>still available)
>>
>>
>>- XTR RD-M960 Rapid Rise rear derailleur
>>
>>
>>- Deer Head SL-M700 NOS silver shifters
>>
>> On Friday, March 1, 2024 at 4:45:31 PM UTC-5 J J wrote:
>>
>> *Update on what is still available, with appreciation to all who reached 
>> out. I'm open to offers.*
>>
>>
>>- XTR BR-M900 NOS cantilever brakes (one F/R set sold, one F/R set 
>>still available)
>>
>>
>>- XTR RD-M953 Rapid Rise rear derailleur
>>
>>
>>- XTR RD-M960 Rapid Rise rear derailleur
>>
>>
>>- Brooks B68 (new)
>>- Deer Head SL-M700 NOS silver shifters
>>
>> *Items already sold (many thanks!):*
>>
>>
>>- BL-M550 brake levers
>>- XTR BR-M900 cantilever brakes (second F/R set is still available)
>>
>>
>>- VP Components VP-001 Platform Pedals
>>
>>
>>- Sugino XD2 triple crankset
>>- XTR RD-M950 rear derailleur
>>- XT FD-M781 front derailleur
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, February 27, 2024 at 9:27:52 PM UTC-5 J J wrote:
>>
>> I'm preparing for a new build and want to clear out stuff I won't be 
>> using anytime soon. Please reach out privately if you're interested in 
>> anything. Thanks very much. 
>> Jim
>>
>> ---
>>
>> *Nitto Technomic stem* (26, 100mm extension, great cond) $25
>>
>> [image: nitto stems and shimano brake lever copy.jpg]
>>
>> *Shimano XT BL-M550 brake levers* (*photo above*, silver, some scuffs, 
>> mechanically perfect) $20
>>
>> *XTR BR-M900 cantilever brakes* (gorgeous classic brakes, two F sets, 
>> both sets NOS, never installed. One set is with box and paperwork, one set 
>> is without box and dusty) $390 for NIB set, $370 for the other set. 
>>
>> [image: XTR BR-M900 cantis with box.jpg]
>> [image: XTR BR-M900 cantis.jpg]
>>
>> *VP Components VP-001 Platform Pedals* (great condition, removable pins, 
>> spin super smoothly) $30
>>
>> [image: VP Components VP-001 Platform Pedals.jpg]
>>
>> *Sugino XD2 triple crankset*, 175 (74/110 BCD, set up as a 48-34 double, 
>> rings in great cond, can add small ring. Took off a bike I'm getting 
>> painted. Shoe rub on arms for a partially polished look lol. great crankset 
>> at a budget price, and it'll last forever) $40
>>
>> [image: Sugino triple crank set up as double 48-34 .jpg]
>>
>> *XTR RD-M950 rear derailleur* (GS, high normal, NOS with box) $245
>>
>> [image: XTR RD-M950 (NOS) RD-M953 (used).jpg]
>>
>> *XTR RD-M953 Rapid Rise rear derailleur* (*photo above*, SGS, great 
>> condition, superficial scuffs, mechanically perfect, pulleys in great 
>> condition, spin smoothly) $145
>>
>> *XTR RD-M960 Rapid Rise rear derailleur* (*on left in photo below,* SGS, 
>> with brand new OEM tension pulley, guide pulley in great cond., body has 
>> some scuffs, inside of cage has chain rub, clean and perfect mechanical 
>> cond.) $125
>>
>> [image: XTR RDs M960, M951.jpg]
>>
>> *Brooks B68* (brand new, never taken out of box or even handled, honey) 
>> $150 
>>
>> [image: Brooks B68 Honey.jpg]
>>
>> *Shimano XT Deore Deer Head SL-M700 shift levers* (NOS, pristine, 
>> beautifully overbuilt shifters from the early- to mid-80s! With original 
>> paperwork, cables, housing) $165 
>>
>> [image: XT SL-M700 Deer Head.jpg]
>>
>> *Shimano XT FD-M781 triple front derailleur* (dual pull, dusty, in 
>> perfect mechanical shape. Took off my Hunqapillar.) $20 
>>
>> [image: Shimano XT FD-M781.jpg]
>>
>>
>> * Shipping not included in listed prices
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Best Rivendell for pavement riding

[J J]

Chuck, I believe the best Rivendell for pavement riding is whichever 
Rivendell that fits you well and is comfortable for your body, that pleases 
you mechanically and aesthetically, that is within your budget, and that 
accomplishes whatever goals for the type of riding you hope to do. 

You said you will be riding mostly on pavement. Pavement riding is a broad 
category, and there are many different modes and types of it. Will it be 
"practical" pavement riding (like commuting or hauling stuff from the 
supermarket), relaxed cruising on a weekend morning, or racing in a group? 
Will you occasionally venture off road? All of the above?

One of the things that makes Rivs so wonderful is their versatility. This 
is what I value about Rivs above all else, which is why I gravitate to the 
various All Rounders. An Atlantis, for example, can be set up many 
different ways and it will be brilliant in the various guises. Swap a 
handlebar or tires (either wider or narrower, or to or from slicks and 
knobbies) and you have a bike with different character suited for a 
different type of riding, all while retaining the Rivendell feel. 

If you want a "road" bike strictly speaking, there are a lot of great 
suggestions in this thread. In the end it comes back to your own 
subjectivity, and your sense of the kind of riding you will be doing.

Good luck with your search!

On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 2:01:43 PM UTC-5 heike...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hi Chuck--as you asked about the Appaloosa and a drop-bar alternative, 
> I'll chime in: I have a 51" 650B Appaloosa with Nitto Choco bars 
> ,
>  
> which Riv describes thus: "It's also good for road bikes instead of a drop 
> bar, when you want a close grip and a totally perfect next-to-stem grip. 
> It's the best bar we have for that." I really like these bars, as I can 
> grab the flats when going fast, downhill, or against wind, and the 
> swept-back part is super comfortable otherwise. It's not a super wide bar; 
> never feels out of place even on narrower paths or in traffic. 
>
> I bought the Appa as a mixed-terrain bike, as a true allrounder, and I 
> right now have a rack on it (and fenders, soon--just got my Velo Orange 
> wavys delivered). I mostly ride it on smooth roads, and it's a fun bike for 
> that, even up hills. Roadbike? No, not nimble and light to go on group fast 
> rides, but totally smooth and comfortable for long rides.  If I had two Riv 
> bikes, I might get a Ram or a Roadini in addition to the App - but for just 
> one bike that can do all kinds of things really well, the Appa is 
> wonderful! 
>
> On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 10:28:06 AM UTC-8 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I own a 54cm Roadini (for myself) and a 50cm (for my son who will soon 
>> outgrow his Salsa Journeyman). I'd set up my Roadini as a gravel bike with 
>> wide tires but recently a friend borrowed my son's Roadini for her first 
>> ride over a dirt path in less than dry conditions I swapped the wheels on 
>> both bikes. Having done that work I decided to start riding the Roadini for 
>> my commute again, and it's such a nice bike for pavement riding. I would be 
>> very happy if the Roadini was the only bike I was allowed to ride. A 
>> wheel/tire swap is all it takes to switch its personality.
>>
>> Picture of the 50mm gold Roadini with 40mm Conti Terraspeed tires: 
>> https://www.amazon.com/photos/shared/9xe97P72TVC9kT6ezib43w.ApcagsQcybWcV2qpmaE8je
>> On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 9:46:26 AM UTC-8 cfic...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Mathias, Max, Damien, thanks. A lot of good information in your posts. 
>>> Riding and experimenting with different models may be the only way to find 
>>> that "perfect" bike, if there is such a thing. I have to admit that I've 
>>> been riding an All City Space Horse for a while now, which I picked up to 
>>> see me through while I wait on the "right" Rivendell to become available. 
>>> It's actually very comfortable and stable, but a bit heavy for the hills. 
>>> The 52cm model I have has similar chainstay, wheelbase, head tube angle, 
>>> stack, and reach to a 50cm Roadini, so maybe I should be satisfied with 
>>> what I have? I don't know. I am rethinking the requirement I have had in my 
>>> mind for drop handlebars, though. Some of the Nitto bars (Losco, Choco, 
>>> Albastache) look like they could be fine for long distance road riding with 
>>> multiple positions that could mimic some of those of a drop bar. And they 
>>> might work better with the longish top tubes. 
>>>
>>> Chuck
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 12:27:31 PM UTC-5 Damien wrote:
>>>
 I had a Sam up until recently but sold it and have very recently 
 replaced with a Ram which I've yet to get out on (am going to swap out the 
 Albatross currently on them for drop bars). Not sure what size you're 
 looking at, but the thing for me was I wanted a 700c bike, and the 

Re: [RBW] Re: Anyone else not a fan of the very long chainstays?

[J S]

I like the bit longer chain stays of my Sam and Saluki as well but that is
as long as I need.

On Tue, Mar 5, 2024 at 12:01 PM Tim Bantham  wrote:

> I can relate to this. For me there are pros and cons. For example, the
> Clem I bought a few years ago was intended to be an analog mountain bike. I
> found the long chainstays to be a liability for east coast single track.
> This is especially the case with tight turns and the need to carry the
> bike. If I had to do it all over for the type of MTB riding that I have
> available to me I would go for a bike with shorter stays and a lighter
> frame. That said, I love the longer chainstays on my Sam as compared to a
> regular road/gravel  bike. Definitely noticeable on the descents. I ride my
> Sam on dirt roads quite a bit and the long stay really shines in that
> situation.
>
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[RBW] Anyone else not a fan of the very long chainstays?

[J S]

I tried an Atlantis but was not enamored. Sold it and got a Hillborne which 
I love but still not as much as my finally found Saluki but like it a lot. 
I am probably in the minority here but I know there must be others who 
share my sentiments. I have had so many Rivs, 2 roads, one custom when they 
were custom Roads, Ram, Saluki, Bleriot, Atlantis, AR. I know I am leaving 
some out but you get the picture. The shorter wheelbase suits me well and 
is easier to manage bringing it into my sunroom and basement. 

Not meant to offend anyone, just my preference. 

Joel

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[RBW] Re: FS: XTR, Nitto, B68, Deer Head, XT, other misc. bits

[J J]

*Update #2, the following items are still available:*
   
   - XTR BR-M900 NOS cantilever brakes (one F/R set sold, one F/R set still 
   available)
   - XTR RD-M960 Rapid Rise rear derailleur
   - Deer Head SL-M700 NOS silver shifters

On Friday, March 1, 2024 at 4:45:31 PM UTC-5 J J wrote:

*Update on what is still available, with appreciation to all who reached 
out. I'm open to offers.*


   - XTR BR-M900 NOS cantilever brakes (one F/R set sold, one F/R set still 
   available)


   - XTR RD-M953 Rapid Rise rear derailleur


   - XTR RD-M960 Rapid Rise rear derailleur


   - Brooks B68 (new)
   - Deer Head SL-M700 NOS silver shifters
   
*Items already sold (many thanks!):*


   - BL-M550 brake levers
   - XTR BR-M900 cantilever brakes (second F/R set is still available)


   - VP Components VP-001 Platform Pedals


   - Sugino XD2 triple crankset
   - XTR RD-M950 rear derailleur
   - XT FD-M781 front derailleur
   


On Tuesday, February 27, 2024 at 9:27:52 PM UTC-5 J J wrote:

I'm preparing for a new build and want to clear out stuff I won't be using 
anytime soon. Please reach out privately if you're interested in anything. 
Thanks very much. 
Jim

---

*Nitto Technomic stem* (26, 100mm extension, great cond) $25

[image: nitto stems and shimano brake lever copy.jpg]

*Shimano XT BL-M550 brake levers* (*photo above*, silver, some scuffs, 
mechanically perfect) $20

*XTR BR-M900 cantilever brakes* (gorgeous classic brakes, two F sets, 
both sets NOS, never installed. One set is with box and paperwork, one set 
is without box and dusty) $390 for NIB set, $370 for the other set. 

[image: XTR BR-M900 cantis with box.jpg]
[image: XTR BR-M900 cantis.jpg]

*VP Components VP-001 Platform Pedals* (great condition, removable pins, 
spin super smoothly) $30

[image: VP Components VP-001 Platform Pedals.jpg]

*Sugino XD2 triple crankset*, 175 (74/110 BCD, set up as a 48-34 double, 
rings in great cond, can add small ring. Took off a bike I'm getting 
painted. Shoe rub on arms for a partially polished look lol. great crankset 
at a budget price, and it'll last forever) $40

[image: Sugino triple crank set up as double 48-34 .jpg]

*XTR RD-M950 rear derailleur* (GS, high normal, NOS with box) $245

[image: XTR RD-M950 (NOS) RD-M953 (used).jpg]

*XTR RD-M953 Rapid Rise rear derailleur* (*photo above*, SGS, great 
condition, superficial scuffs, mechanically perfect, pulleys in great 
condition, spin smoothly) $145

*XTR RD-M960 Rapid Rise rear derailleur* (*on left in photo below,* SGS, 
with brand new OEM tension pulley, guide pulley in great cond., body has 
some scuffs, inside of cage has chain rub, clean and perfect mechanical 
cond.) $125

[image: XTR RDs M960, M951.jpg]

*Brooks B68* (brand new, never taken out of box or even handled, honey) 
$150 

[image: Brooks B68 Honey.jpg]

*Shimano XT Deore Deer Head SL-M700 shift levers* (NOS, pristine, 
beautifully overbuilt shifters from the early- to mid-80s! With original 
paperwork, cables, housing) $165 

[image: XT SL-M700 Deer Head.jpg]

*Shimano XT FD-M781 triple front derailleur* (dual pull, dusty, in perfect 
mechanical shape. Took off my Hunqapillar.) $20 

[image: Shimano XT FD-M781.jpg]


* Shipping not included in listed prices

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[RBW] Re: WTT / WTB: your Nitto M12 Front Rack for my Nitto Campee 32F Mini Rack

[J J]

Thanks to everyone who reached out about a trade or purchase. I'm all set 
with an M12 rack now. I appreciate it!

On Sunday, March 3, 2024 at 8:05:12 PM UTC-5 J J wrote:

Hi all — I have a Nitto 32F (new in package) but I want/need a Nitto M12 to 
install using a Riv's cantilever brake bosses. 

If you have an M12 you're not using, please let me know if you're up for a 
trade for the 32F. 

If you have an M12 but would rather sell than trade it, please let me know 
your price. I would want all the hardware (stud bolts) that came with it.

Thanks!

Jim

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[RBW] WTT / WTB: your Nitto M12 Front Rack for my Nitto Campee 32F Mini Rack

[J J]

Hi all — I have a Nitto 32F (new in package) but I want/need a Nitto M12 to 
install using a Riv's cantilever brake bosses. 

If you have an M12 you're not using, please let me know if you're up for a 
trade for the 32F. 

If you have an M12 but would rather sell than trade it, please let me know 
your price. I would want all the hardware (stud bolts) that came with it.

Thanks!

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[RBW] Re: Best Rivendell for pavement riding

[J S]

I ride exclusively on pavement and of the current models the Sam Hillborne 
does it wonderfully. 

On Saturday, March 2, 2024 at 1:56:38 PM UTC-5 cfic...@gmail.com wrote:

> I really like the Rivendell approach to bikes and bike technology with the 
> idea of a more upright posture and a long wheelbase for long rides at a 
> comfortable pace, but it seems like the models all lean heavily to what 
> they call "country bikes."  I like to ride from my house, and that means 
> riding almost exclusively on smooth (mostly) pavement. Can anyone suggest 
> which models are better suited for road riding? Reading and comparing the 
> descriptions, it seems that the Homer might be a good choice, or possibly 
> the Appaloosa or Atlantis? Or the new Charlie Gallop, though I haven't 
> heard much about how it is supposed to ride? I tried a Roadini (which I 
> recently listed here and sold), but I think it was too big for me. I never 
> felt comfortable on it. Maybe I just needed it in the right size. 
>
> I would like the bike to work well with drop bars because of the multiple 
> hand positions and they're just what I'm used to. I tried a bike with swept 
> bars recently, but found I wasn't comfortable on longer rides. And when 
> riding on streets with minimal shoulder width, I felt like I was going to 
> catch the end of them on mailboxes or other obstacles. Maybe there's a 
> handlebar in Rivendell's catalog that works well for road riding?
>
> I'd appreciate any comments, especially if someone does this type of 
> riding and has tried several of these models. Thanks.
>
> Chuck
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: XTR, Nitto, B68, Deer Head, XT, other misc. bits

[J J]

*Update on what is still available, with appreciation to all who reached 
out. I'm open to offers.*


   - XTR BR-M900 NOS cantilever brakes (one F/R set sold, one F/R set still 
   available)
   - XTR RD-M953 Rapid Rise rear derailleur
   - XTR RD-M960 Rapid Rise rear derailleur
   - Brooks B68 (new)
   - Deer Head SL-M700 NOS silver shifters
   
*Items already sold (many thanks!):*


   - BL-M550 brake levers
   - XTR BR-M900 cantilever brakes (second F/R set is still available)
   - VP Components VP-001 Platform Pedals
   - Sugino XD2 triple crankset
   - XTR RD-M950 rear derailleur
   - XT FD-M781 front derailleur
   


On Tuesday, February 27, 2024 at 9:27:52 PM UTC-5 J J wrote:

> I'm preparing for a new build and want to clear out stuff I won't be using 
> anytime soon. Please reach out privately if you're interested in anything. 
> Thanks very much. 
> Jim
>
> ---
>
> *Nitto Technomic stem* (26, 100mm extension, great cond) $25
>
> [image: nitto stems and shimano brake lever copy.jpg]
>
> *Shimano XT BL-M550 brake levers* (*photo above*, silver, some scuffs, 
> mechanically perfect) $20
>
> *XTR BR-M900 cantilever brakes* (gorgeous classic brakes, two F sets, 
> both sets NOS, never installed. One set is with box and paperwork, one set 
> is without box and dusty) $390 for NIB set, $370 for the other set. 
>
> [image: XTR BR-M900 cantis with box.jpg]
> [image: XTR BR-M900 cantis.jpg]
>
> *VP Components VP-001 Platform Pedals* (great condition, removable pins, 
> spin super smoothly) $30
>
> [image: VP Components VP-001 Platform Pedals.jpg]
>
> *Sugino XD2 triple crankset*, 175 (74/110 BCD, set up as a 48-34 double, 
> rings in great cond, can add small ring. Took off a bike I'm getting 
> painted. Shoe rub on arms for a partially polished look lol. great crankset 
> at a budget price, and it'll last forever) $40
>
> [image: Sugino triple crank set up as double 48-34 .jpg]
>
> *XTR RD-M950 rear derailleur* (GS, high normal, NOS with box) $245
>
> [image: XTR RD-M950 (NOS) RD-M953 (used).jpg]
>
> *XTR RD-M953 Rapid Rise rear derailleur* (*photo above*, SGS, great 
> condition, superficial scuffs, mechanically perfect, pulleys in great 
> condition, spin smoothly) $145
>
> *XTR RD-M960 Rapid Rise rear derailleur* (*on left in photo below,* SGS, 
> with brand new OEM tension pulley, guide pulley in great cond., body has 
> some scuffs, inside of cage has chain rub, clean and perfect mechanical 
> cond.) $125
>
> [image: XTR RDs M960, M951.jpg]
>
> *Brooks B68* (brand new, never taken out of box or even handled, honey) 
> $150 
>
> [image: Brooks B68 Honey.jpg]
>
> *Shimano XT Deore Deer Head SL-M700 shift levers* (NOS, pristine, 
> beautifully overbuilt shifters from the early- to mid-80s! With original 
> paperwork, cables, housing) $165 
>
> [image: XT SL-M700 Deer Head.jpg]
>
> *Shimano XT FD-M781 triple front derailleur* (dual pull, dusty, in 
> perfect mechanical shape. Took off my Hunqapillar.) $20 
>
> [image: Shimano XT FD-M781.jpg]
>
>
> * Shipping not included in listed prices
>

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[RBW] Re: I only have 1 chance to get a Rivendell.. which would you recommend?

[J S]

I prefer the Hillborne but I like it being closer to older bikes before the 
chainstays got longer and longer  at Riv. 
On Saturday, February 24, 2024 at 11:46:51 AM UTC-5 ahb...@gmail.com wrote:

> Only 1 chance because I'm living in Asia and the closest place I can buy 
> is from Blue Lug online store in Tokyo. So, I have to pay for shipping and 
> import tax.
>
> I mostly commute 90% and joy ride the rest. Wish and would one day will go 
> for long road touring. I'm considering the following model.
>
> A. Homer Hilsen OR Sam Hillborne. From my research, their geometry are 
> pretty much the same now. Except Hillborne is a bit heavier due to tube 
> reinforcement. I'm leaning toward A. Homer Hilsen because its lighter and I 
> can get one now.
>
> Also considering their Step Through. First choice would be Platypus then 
> Clem Smith Jr..
>
> Which one would you recommend and thanks in advance.
>

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[RBW] Re: Old vs New shifter cable stop standards

[Greg J]

Good work, Drew.  The Simplex-Mavic retrofriction shifters use the small 
diameter cable ends, which are the Campy- compatible cables.  But your 
solution is better!  No more stocking up on Campy cables!

Greg/Oakland

On Sunday, February 18, 2024 at 3:22:27 PM UTC-8 Drew Saunders wrote:

> I vaguely remember someone mentioning that some new shifter cables had 
> ends that were too large for some older shift levers. I forgot what the 
> consensus was, and didn't think too much, until I tried installing my left 
> only Mavic 821 downtube shifter to replace a silver bar-end for the front 
> (I'll still use the Silver for the rear), and discovered:
> [image: IMG_6748.jpg]
> Oops! I suppose I could buy a new cable and hope that one end has a 
> smaller diameter stop, or hunt for old shifter compatible cables, or figure 
> out what size drill bit would bore it out to work. Hint, it's 11/64":
> [image: IMG_6750.jpg]
> The last photo isn't too great, but the shift lever now works with all 
> cables, and only the tiniest bit of metal was removed. Of course, unless 
> the cable breaks, I may never remove it, so I'm set for a very long time.
> [image: IMG_6751.jpg]
> It does work pretty well, too. Since I can't do any rides this weekend 
> (work stuff), I'll test it out later and take it for a real ride.
>
> The reasoning? With my 26-42, 11-28 11-speed friction setup, I only use 
> the FD if I have a big hill to climb, so can go weeks without using it, and 
> my left leg swings out more than my right, so I have bumped the left 
> bar-end shifter with my knee a few times, so I decided to be a little 
> different and mix bar-end with downtube shifters. 
>
> 11/64" is 4.37mm, so I'm guessing the old standard was maybe 4mm or so, 
> and the new standard is 4.25mm? 
>
> Drew
>

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[RBW] WTB drop bar roady riv.

[J L]

Hello rivsters.

Im looking for a used Rivendell road bike in 54/55 cm. I test rode a roadini 
size 50 and it was very nice but too long in the chainstays for my tastes. 
Newer geometry beyond that model is too long to also use drop bars, for my 
proportions. Roadeo 55cm would be ideal, other older models could work.

Looking to buy FFH or complete in order of preference:

Send offers direct if possible to keep the list clutter low.

Cheers
JL 


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Re: [RBW] RoadeoRosa teaser

[Greg J]

Impressive.  It's taken me over 2 years to build up my Norther-L'avecaise, 
and I'm still not finished!

Greg / OAK

On Thursday, February 15, 2024 at 12:21:28 PM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> The Roadeo may be done tonight.  I don't get the Falconer until Saturday.  
>
> BL in EC
>
> On Thursday, February 15, 2024 at 12:01:49 PM UTC-8 Eric Daume wrote:
>
>> So which gets built first? Tough choice ahead!
>>
>> Eric
>>
>> On Thursday, February 15, 2024, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>>
>>> Two completely separate 6-month long projects each stretched out to 
>>> 2-year projects independently and for different reasons.  Each of those two 
>>> unrelated projects reach "New Frame Day" within hours of each other.  
>>> Correct.
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> On Thursday, February 15, 2024 at 9:42:08 AM UTC-8 Greg J wrote:
>>>
>>>> Can't wait!
>>>>
>>>> 2 new frames in the same week, Bill?
>>>>
>>>> Greg in Oakland
>>>>
>>>> On Thursday, February 15, 2024 at 7:55:19 AM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Riv HQ closes at 3PM.  Rick from D dropped it off on his way home at 
>>>>> like 3:15 yesterday, after they closed up.  Mark put it in his work stand 
>>>>> and emailed me at 3:30 on his out.  There were no peek opportunities.  
>>>>> Riv 
>>>>> HQ opens at 9AM PST this morning.  I've got a work meeting at 8, which 
>>>>> I'm 
>>>>> taking from home. When that meeting is over I'm off to pick it up.  My 
>>>>> headset crown race setter is trash, so I'm going to have James or Antonio 
>>>>> set my crown race and press in my headset cups.  That way we can take a 
>>>>> couple of New Frame Day photos in front of the garage door, as is 
>>>>> tradition.  
>>>>>
>>>>> BL in EC
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thursday, February 15, 2024 at 6:41:27 AM UTC-8 
>>>>> sarahlik...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Have you snuck over for even the littlest peek? I wouldn't be able to 
>>>>>> stop myself!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Am very much anticipating this pink bike reveal!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wednesday, February 14, 2024 at 7:50:24 PM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Mark tells me my frame is sitting in his stand right now...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm going to pick it up Thursday morning, and I have to pick my 
>>>>>>> headbadge.  The Roadeo head badge comes in Red or in Blue.  The Roadeo 
>>>>>>> page 
>>>>>>> on the website shows them both.  I'm definitely going blue.  There are 
>>>>>>> a 
>>>>>>> few touches of blue that will show up elsewhere on the build, so that 
>>>>>>> will 
>>>>>>> tie in.  
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm pretty sure I have absolutely every piece of the build so it may 
>>>>>>> be New Bike Day less than 24 hours from now.  
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bill Lindsay
>>>>>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Friday, February 9, 2024 at 5:44:17 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>>>>>>> Ding! wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I love it already. It’s the perfect pink. And we only have to wait 
>>>>>>>> until next week to see it!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Friday, February 9, 2024 at 5:22:34 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Rick at D tells me he'll be delivering my Roadeo frame set to 
>>>>>>>>> Rivendell HQ next week sometime.  He gave me a sneak peek at my 
>>>>>>>>> color-matched Rene Herse/Honjo fenders.  Here they are:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/53519732639/in/album-72177720313109003/
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It's getting real
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Bill Lindsay
>>>>>>>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>>>>>>>
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[RBW] Re: RoadeoRosa teaser

[Greg J]

Can't wait!

2 new frames in the same week, Bill?

Greg in Oakland

On Thursday, February 15, 2024 at 7:55:19 AM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Riv HQ closes at 3PM.  Rick from D dropped it off on his way home at 
> like 3:15 yesterday, after they closed up.  Mark put it in his work stand 
> and emailed me at 3:30 on his out.  There were no peek opportunities.  Riv 
> HQ opens at 9AM PST this morning.  I've got a work meeting at 8, which I'm 
> taking from home. When that meeting is over I'm off to pick it up.  My 
> headset crown race setter is trash, so I'm going to have James or Antonio 
> set my crown race and press in my headset cups.  That way we can take a 
> couple of New Frame Day photos in front of the garage door, as is 
> tradition.  
>
> BL in EC
>
> On Thursday, February 15, 2024 at 6:41:27 AM UTC-8 sarahlik...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Have you snuck over for even the littlest peek? I wouldn't be able to 
>> stop myself!
>>
>> Am very much anticipating this pink bike reveal!
>>
>> On Wednesday, February 14, 2024 at 7:50:24 PM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> Mark tells me my frame is sitting in his stand right now...
>>>
>>> I'm going to pick it up Thursday morning, and I have to pick my 
>>> headbadge.  The Roadeo head badge comes in Red or in Blue.  The Roadeo page 
>>> on the website shows them both.  I'm definitely going blue.  There are a 
>>> few touches of blue that will show up elsewhere on the build, so that will 
>>> tie in.  
>>>
>>> I'm pretty sure I have absolutely every piece of the build so it may be 
>>> New Bike Day less than 24 hours from now.  
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> On Friday, February 9, 2024 at 5:44:17 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I love it already. It’s the perfect pink. And we only have to wait 
 until next week to see it!

 On Friday, February 9, 2024 at 5:22:34 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Rick at D tells me he'll be delivering my Roadeo frame set to 
> Rivendell HQ next week sometime.  He gave me a sneak peek at my 
> color-matched Rene Herse/Honjo fenders.  Here they are:
>
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/53519732639/in/album-72177720313109003/
>
> It's getting real
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>


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Re: [RBW] FS: Rambouillet 54cm, Classic Blue

[J L]

Steven, I am interested in this bike, but unsure about clicking links. Can you email photos directly to me or post a few here for others to see as well.JLOn Feb 1, 2024, at 3:02 PM, 'Steven Seelig' via RBW Owners Bunch  wrote:Sad to part with this Classic Blue version, but have finally realized that I should ride a 56cm.  And it just so happens that another customer of my LBS HappyGo Bikes in Washington, DC was moving on from hers.  So trading the blue for a dark green.  Photos should be accessible via the link below.  Amazingly, just a fews fleck scratches - the color still pops. Set up as an upright with Mostache steel bars and bar end Shimano shifters.   Components are basically what came with the bike, Shimano headset, 105 hubs, 105 front derailleur.   Newer Deore derailleur that replaced the short cage 105, which I still have if your would rather. Pedals are meh - I could be convinced to offer SKS Sneaker pedals if requested.   Carved Brooks Flyer saddle included.  Offered for $1900.  Can ship from my LBS at your cost.  https://share.icloud.com/photos/077BIXWT4gxqwcMZb12iG1e2g 



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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell and Brooks B68 short film

[J S]

Jock, I like some like the Hillborne, Saluki, Bleriot. I did try the newer 
longer Atlantis but it was not for me. I did want a Yves Gomez which is 
also not very long but the seller did not want to sell to me. Just as well 
as I found my much sought after Saluki. That is a beautiful bike. I hope 
you find one.
On Friday, January 19, 2024 at 3:15:06 PM UTC-5 John Dewey wrote:

> I think it might just be…but at the least pleasantly harmless and sweet. 
> And  they all having such a good time. 
>
> Tho try as I might the long-wheelbase bikes just don’t flip my switch. 
> This got me going quite a while ago and I’m still chasing it. Rather odd I 
> suppose. 
>
>
> Jock
>
> On Fri, Jan 19, 2024 at 11:39 AM eddietheflay  wrote:
>
>> All those guys wearing those hats look like a cult :).
>>
>> On Friday, January 19, 2024 at 7:32:07 AM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> [image: 
>>> VS--YouTube-BrooksEnglandTheB68isbackftRivendellBicycleWorks-0’45”.jpg]
>>>
>>> Brooks just released the 16mm film they made with the Rivendell staff 
>>> :0) Quite fun! 
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBIryCWhgBc
>>>
>>> The saddles are now available from Brooks! 
>>> https://www.brooksengland.com/en_us/b68.html
>>>
>>> I wonder if this means we can buy a B68 directly from Rivendell now? 
>>> Seems like Riv was holding back for Brooks to launch the revived saddle. 
>>>
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[RBW] WTB wavie bar

[J Schwartz]

Greetings
Curious if anyone is sitting on a wavie bar and would like to move it on
Please let me know if so 
thanks
JS

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[RBW] Re: ISO: 53 Atlantis

[Greg J]

I am seriously thinking about selling my 53cm All Rounder (Waterford 
built), which is basically the precursor to the Atlantis.  Let me know if 
you’re interested.  And where you’re located. 

Greg

On Tuesday, January 16, 2024 at 7:00:01 PM UTC-8 Gideon Tsang wrote:

> Holler if you've got or know one. Xie xie

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[RBW] WTB 53 or 55 roadeo

[J L]

Hello all,

Anyone wanting to send their roadeo (size 53 or 55cm) back into the wild? I’m 
looking for a straight forward road bike and that could fit just perfectly. 

I have an orange 54cm QB that I might be convinced to trade.

Please send offers or questions offlist to minimize the message clutter.

Thanks!
JL in SF

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Re: [RBW] Re: Feeler: ISO extra-small 26er?

[J L]

While all the bikes OP listed are great vehicles, none of them fit the brief. 
If the brief is “Lighter, more roadish, with drop bars…” for someone 5’ in 
height, I would look for used Georgina Terry bikes. Terry is an accomplished 
and innovative bicycle designer and frame builder. She builds custom bicycles 
now and has offered many production models in the past. Many of her designs 
utilize two different wheel sizes (24” front, 700c rear) to allow for the top 
tube length and stand over height to match the needs of short stature riders. 

She also offered bicycles with 650c (571) and later, 26” (559) wheels. Her 26” 
(559) bikes tend to be designed around Rene Herse Elk Pass 26x1.25 tires. 

The flea bay has beautiful blue Waterford built Terry Gale Force road frame for 
559 wheels. I messages OP directly with this suggestion. 

Another used bicycle option is searching for 650c bikes. We know from list 
member Patrick M. that 571x23 and 559x32 work on the same frames. Elk Pass 
tires tend to run a little narrow at 29-30mm so width is usually not an issue 
either. A discerning eye can separate the old time trial bikes from the small 
wheel road bicycles. Also on the flea bay is a nice steel Davidson, though the 
top tube might be too long for this use.  

There are many current options using this 650c route on the bay, including a 
super inexpensive Terry size 50x50cm square. Which is too large for OP’s spouse 
but would be a nice bike for someone in the 5’2” range.

JL from SF

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[RBW] Re: Low q, low range 2x cranks

[J G]

Adam,

Re:  *"...though I'm not sure if I understand what BB will get a specific 
chainline"*

That will be crank and implementation specific.  

Since this is Riv-centric we can use the concept of a square taper triple 
mountain crankset as an example.  It will require a specific BB length to 
achieve the proper chainline for the standard implementation, which in this 
case is 47.5mm for 135mm rear spacing.

I you want to:
 - Run as a double and rm granny, then reduce spindle by 6mm (mountain 
double/triple and preferred single speed 47.5mm chainline)
 - Run as a triple on a bike with 130mm rear spacing, then reduce spindle 
by 5mm (road triple 45mm chainline)
 - Run as a double and rm granny plus run on a 130mm rear road spaced bike, 
then reduce spindle by 11mm (and yes, for some cranks, you cannot find 
spindles that small)
 - Run as a double with bash, then increase spindle by 6mm

-Justus
Mpls, MN

On Wednesday, January 10, 2024 at 4:34:21 PM UTC-6 Nick Payne wrote:

> Sugino OX series. Very nicely made and attractive cranks that use 110BCD 
> for the outer ring and 74 BCD for the inner, Q factor 145mm. For some 
> reason they aren't sold with a smaller chainring combination than 44/30, 
> but you can use them with smaller chainrings than that. Here's one I 
> installed on one of my wife's bikes with 39/26 chainrings. The downside of 
> the cranks is that they're rather expensive - a cheaper alternative of the 
> same design with 110BCD for the outer chainring and 74BCD for the inner is 
> the Dixna La. It's about one third the price, and also slightly narrower Q, 
> though to my eye it's also less attractive: 
> https://alexscycle.com/products/dixna-la-crank-arm-set-130mm-to-170mm.
>
> Here's the Sugino OX801 - on Sugino's website it has now been superseded 
> by the OX901, which looks pretty identical.
> [image: IMG_20180102_144900.jpg]
>
> Nick Payne
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Low q, low range 2x cranks

[J G]

Bill,

As a fellow Q nerd, this is a really good mention:

*A lot of people with 135mm OLD Rivendell Road bikes will set up their 
double with 43.5mm chain line anyway, thinking of it more as a 1x plus 
granny setup.  Swing the whole cassette in the big ring and only use the 
larger 4 cogs in the small ring.  Doing that would probably bring <150mm 
Q-factor into play for your Hillborne.  *

If I do not set a perfect chainline on a 2x bike, it is always skewed to 
the inside for reduced Q and shifting habits as described above.  Although, 
I generally run a 108mm vs. 113mm for WI VBC as an example so I generally 
only go from 47.5mm to 45mm chainline and 150mm to 145mm Q.

-Justus
Mpls, MN

On Wednesday, January 10, 2024 at 12:27:25 PM UTC-6 J G wrote:

> This one is a little harder or more restrictive as you cannot use a 
> middle/outer combo for a 94bcd double/triple with the 26t and requires the 
> use of the granny ring for most triples, which works against low-Q:
>
> *What are options for double cranksets that are around 40/26 or so?*
>
> White Industries VBC road cranks is what I tend to use for doubles in the 
> range of 24/38 up to 28/42 and the Q is not quite in the 140s but a flat 
> 150mm on a 113mm BB.
>
> -Justus
> Mpls, MN
>
> On Wednesday, January 10, 2024 at 12:21:12 PM UTC-6 J G wrote:
>
>> Adam,
>>
>> Regarding:
>>
>> *does swapping the large ring for a bash guard allow for a lower Q? I 
>> assumed that would stay the same?*
>>
>> No, in fact this would create a higher Q if implemented properly. 
>>  Chainline is now between middle and small rings with a bash and need 
>> longer BB spindle to achieve proper chainline, resulting in higher Q.
>>
>> The best use of triples for low-Q doubles are ones where the granny ring 
>> has spacers that can be removed.  Cranks like the old Ritchey Logic and 
>> Suntour XC Pro (among others) can be run with middle/large rings only and a 
>> shorter BB spindle for proper chainline between middle and large in this 
>> implementation and lower-Q.
>>
>> On Wednesday, January 10, 2024 at 12:09:37 PM UTC-6 Josiah Anderson wrote:
>>
>>> Uhh... because lower Q works better for some people? That's like asking 
>>> why someone wants a longer/shorter stem...
>>>
>>> Adam, with the VO cranks (if we're thinking of the same ones) if you can 
>>> get a set of arms without rings, TA rings will fit, which are available in 
>>> any tooth count down to 26 IIRC. 40/26 is definitely possible with the TA 
>>> 50.4bcd rings. You could also watch eBay etc for used TA cyclotouriste/pro 
>>> 5 vis cranks, which is what the VO and SunXCD cranks are copies of.
>>>
>>> Josiah Anderson 
>>> Missoula MT 
>>>
>>>
>>> Le mer. 10 janv. 2024 à 9:47 AM, Bill Schairer  a 
>>> écrit :
>>>
>>>> Since you stated you are a bit new to all of this, I am curious as to 
>>>> exactly why you are so focused on a lower Q?
>>>>
>>>> Bill S
>>>> San Diego
>>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, January 10, 2024 at 9:26:06 AM UTC-8 Adam wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>
>>>>> Great ideas already. I have thought about the VO cranks, but want 
>>>>> slightly lower gearing if I'm going to the trouble of swapping.
>>>>>
>>>>> For Ron, or anyone else, does swapping the large ring for a bash guard 
>>>>> allow for a lower Q? I assumed that would stay the same?
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm going to look at the Alex cycle option, your pic is exactly what I 
>>>>> want to do. Is there a clever way to piece something like that together 
>>>>> from older stuff on eBay? Guessing it may take knowledge I don't have 
>>>>>
>>>>> Adam
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wednesday, January 10, 2024 at 11:15:31 AM UTC-6 Ron Mc wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> adding a ps - another use of your triple crank, there are some 
>>>>>> virtually weightless bash guards out there if you want to make it a 
>>>>>> compact 
>>>>>> double.  
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [image: Rw6vTY9.jpg]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wednesday, January 10, 2024 at 10:44:54 AM UTC-6 Ron Mc wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Adam, 
>>>>>>> take a look at VO Rando crank.  
>>>>>>> If you can find them, Sun XCD makes their 50.8 BCD and chainrings, 
>>>>>>> which I'm running o

Re: [RBW] Re: Low q, low range 2x cranks

[J G]

This one is a little harder or more restrictive as you cannot use a 
middle/outer combo for a 94bcd double/triple with the 26t and requires the 
use of the granny ring for most triples, which works against low-Q:

*What are options for double cranksets that are around 40/26 or so?*

White Industries VBC road cranks is what I tend to use for doubles in the 
range of 24/38 up to 28/42 and the Q is not quite in the 140s but a flat 
150mm on a 113mm BB.

-Justus
Mpls, MN

On Wednesday, January 10, 2024 at 12:21:12 PM UTC-6 J G wrote:

> Adam,
>
> Regarding:
>
> *does swapping the large ring for a bash guard allow for a lower Q? I 
> assumed that would stay the same?*
>
> No, in fact this would create a higher Q if implemented properly. 
>  Chainline is now between middle and small rings with a bash and need 
> longer BB spindle to achieve proper chainline, resulting in higher Q.
>
> The best use of triples for low-Q doubles are ones where the granny ring 
> has spacers that can be removed.  Cranks like the old Ritchey Logic and 
> Suntour XC Pro (among others) can be run with middle/large rings only and a 
> shorter BB spindle for proper chainline between middle and large in this 
> implementation and lower-Q.
>
> On Wednesday, January 10, 2024 at 12:09:37 PM UTC-6 Josiah Anderson wrote:
>
>> Uhh... because lower Q works better for some people? That's like asking 
>> why someone wants a longer/shorter stem...
>>
>> Adam, with the VO cranks (if we're thinking of the same ones) if you can 
>> get a set of arms without rings, TA rings will fit, which are available in 
>> any tooth count down to 26 IIRC. 40/26 is definitely possible with the TA 
>> 50.4bcd rings. You could also watch eBay etc for used TA cyclotouriste/pro 
>> 5 vis cranks, which is what the VO and SunXCD cranks are copies of.
>>
>> Josiah Anderson 
>> Missoula MT 
>>
>>
>> Le mer. 10 janv. 2024 à 9:47 AM, Bill Schairer  a 
>> écrit :
>>
>>> Since you stated you are a bit new to all of this, I am curious as to 
>>> exactly why you are so focused on a lower Q?
>>>
>>> Bill S
>>> San Diego
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, January 10, 2024 at 9:26:06 AM UTC-8 Adam wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Great ideas already. I have thought about the VO cranks, but want 
>>>> slightly lower gearing if I'm going to the trouble of swapping.
>>>>
>>>> For Ron, or anyone else, does swapping the large ring for a bash guard 
>>>> allow for a lower Q? I assumed that would stay the same?
>>>>
>>>> I'm going to look at the Alex cycle option, your pic is exactly what I 
>>>> want to do. Is there a clever way to piece something like that together 
>>>> from older stuff on eBay? Guessing it may take knowledge I don't have 
>>>>
>>>> Adam
>>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, January 10, 2024 at 11:15:31 AM UTC-6 Ron Mc wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> adding a ps - another use of your triple crank, there are some 
>>>>> virtually weightless bash guards out there if you want to make it a 
>>>>> compact 
>>>>> double.  
>>>>>
>>>>> [image: Rw6vTY9.jpg]
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wednesday, January 10, 2024 at 10:44:54 AM UTC-6 Ron Mc wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Adam, 
>>>>>> take a look at VO Rando crank.  
>>>>>> If you can find them, Sun XCD makes their 50.8 BCD and chainrings, 
>>>>>> which I'm running on 2 bikes.  .  
>>>>>> I was on SJS Cycles last night looking at rings, and noticed they 
>>>>>> still have some T/A-5 chainrings.  
>>>>>> On Wednesday, January 10, 2024 at 10:15:06 AM UTC-6 Adam wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Adjacent to the triples thread, I'm thinking about moving away from 
>>>>>>> a triple to a double in order to get a lower Q.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What are options for double cranksets that are around 40/26 or so? I 
>>>>>>> think that would be doable with the Rene Herse cranks, but too much $$$ 
>>>>>>> for 
>>>>>>> me. Are there any cheaper options that will do that and give me a q in 
>>>>>>> the 
>>>>>>> 140s?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Second, drivetrain stuff is a little new to me. What determines how 
>>>>>>> small a q fac

Re: [RBW] Re: Low q, low range 2x cranks

[J G]

Adam,

Regarding:

*does swapping the large ring for a bash guard allow for a lower Q? I 
assumed that would stay the same?*

No, in fact this would create a higher Q if implemented properly. 
 Chainline is now between middle and small rings with a bash and need 
longer BB spindle to achieve proper chainline, resulting in higher Q.

The best use of triples for low-Q doubles are ones where the granny ring 
has spacers that can be removed.  Cranks like the old Ritchey Logic and 
Suntour XC Pro (among others) can be run with middle/large rings only and a 
shorter BB spindle for proper chainline between middle and large in this 
implementation and lower-Q.

On Wednesday, January 10, 2024 at 12:09:37 PM UTC-6 Josiah Anderson wrote:

> Uhh... because lower Q works better for some people? That's like asking 
> why someone wants a longer/shorter stem...
>
> Adam, with the VO cranks (if we're thinking of the same ones) if you can 
> get a set of arms without rings, TA rings will fit, which are available in 
> any tooth count down to 26 IIRC. 40/26 is definitely possible with the TA 
> 50.4bcd rings. You could also watch eBay etc for used TA cyclotouriste/pro 
> 5 vis cranks, which is what the VO and SunXCD cranks are copies of.
>
> Josiah Anderson 
> Missoula MT 
>
>
> Le mer. 10 janv. 2024 à 9:47 AM, Bill Schairer  a 
> écrit :
>
>> Since you stated you are a bit new to all of this, I am curious as to 
>> exactly why you are so focused on a lower Q?
>>
>> Bill S
>> San Diego
>>
>> On Wednesday, January 10, 2024 at 9:26:06 AM UTC-8 Adam wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Great ideas already. I have thought about the VO cranks, but want 
>>> slightly lower gearing if I'm going to the trouble of swapping.
>>>
>>> For Ron, or anyone else, does swapping the large ring for a bash guard 
>>> allow for a lower Q? I assumed that would stay the same?
>>>
>>> I'm going to look at the Alex cycle option, your pic is exactly what I 
>>> want to do. Is there a clever way to piece something like that together 
>>> from older stuff on eBay? Guessing it may take knowledge I don't have 
>>>
>>> Adam
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, January 10, 2024 at 11:15:31 AM UTC-6 Ron Mc wrote:
>>>
 adding a ps - another use of your triple crank, there are some 
 virtually weightless bash guards out there if you want to make it a 
 compact 
 double.  

 [image: Rw6vTY9.jpg]

 On Wednesday, January 10, 2024 at 10:44:54 AM UTC-6 Ron Mc wrote:

> Hi Adam, 
> take a look at VO Rando crank.  
> If you can find them, Sun XCD makes their 50.8 BCD and chainrings, 
> which I'm running on 2 bikes.  .  
> I was on SJS Cycles last night looking at rings, and noticed they 
> still have some T/A-5 chainrings.  
> On Wednesday, January 10, 2024 at 10:15:06 AM UTC-6 Adam wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Adjacent to the triples thread, I'm thinking about moving away from a 
>> triple to a double in order to get a lower Q.
>>
>> What are options for double cranksets that are around 40/26 or so? I 
>> think that would be doable with the Rene Herse cranks, but too much $$$ 
>> for 
>> me. Are there any cheaper options that will do that and give me a q in 
>> the 
>> 140s?
>>
>> Second, drivetrain stuff is a little new to me. What determines how 
>> small a q factor a specific bike can have? I'm assuming chainstays play 
>> a 
>> role here? This hypothetical project is for a Hillborne, so I'd be 
>> curious 
>> what folks have used to get low q on their Hillbornes. I'm assuming I 
>> may 
>> have to change the BB as well.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Adam
>>
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Re: [RBW] Advantages of triple drivetrains (VO post)

[J J]

Steven, thanks for the point about how useful triples are for riding with 
big loads, whether for touring, day tripping, shopping, whatever. I 
frequently haul loads up hills on my already-heavy Rivs, so a wide gear 
range with 24-34-44  or a 26-36-46 triple and a 34- or 36-tooth large rear 
sprocket works great for me. I'm a tinkerer but I don't mess with my front 
ders. They're set it and forget it. I also love the way shiny triple cranks 
look. I've never felt compelled to try a 1x from a functional or aesthetic 
standpoint. 

I agree with Johnny that much newfangled bike stuff and trends are driven 
by product differentiation and marketing. Sometimes what was once virtue 
becomes vice, sometimes what is old becomes new again. 

On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 4:14:25 PM UTC-5 Steven Sweedler wrote:

> One point that I think is being missed, is for loaded touring bikes 
> triples make more sense. Though I am not camping I still am carrying around 
> 40 lbs on a 32 lb bike, low gears are especially useful on long and/or 
> steep hills. When home in central  New Hampshire many of my favorite roads 
> are diificult if not impossible for me to ride without a 15-18” gear.
>
> Steven Sweedler
> Plymouth, New Hampshire
>
> On Tue, Jan 9, 2024 at 8:43 PM Chris Halasz  wrote:
>
>> I'm planning on going from 3x to 1x on my all-around Tosco'd LHT. Maybe 
>> even do that today, and replace the big ring with the Rivendell chainring 
>> guard. 
>>
>> I haven't used the 48 in a long, long time. As for the 26 inner: there 
>> was a t-shirt from the 80s from a bike shop in Ketchum that read, "if you 
>> ain't hikin', you ain't mountain bikin'". If it gets that low, I appreciate 
>> the change in blood circulation by just walking those few minutes. 
>>
>> - Chris
>>
>> On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 12:30:47 PM UTC-8 John Hawrylak, Woodstown 
>> NJ wrote:
>>
>>> Bill L stated:   " If it were me, I'd experiment with a 42-tooth big 
>>> ring before going to a triple"
>>>
>>> Question to Bill:   Will a 42T large ring result in the FD hitting the 
>>> chain stay in the inner ring of a triple (say 24T or 26T) ???
>>>
>>> PS  I agree with your comment on the 46-11 being a very high gear.
>>>
>>> John Hawrylak
>>> Woodstown NJ
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 3:21:33 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
 Ben

 You run a 46/30 with an 11-34 11sp cassette.  If it were me, I'd 
 experiment with a 42-tooth big ring before going to a triple.  46x11 is 
 pretty darn high for a commuter/city bike.  Anything higher than a 4:1 in 
 my book is for the sole purpose of pedaling at >>40mph.  That is a real 
 use-case in hilly areas, but not for me, and especially not for a 
 commuter/city bike.  That's just a suggestion.  The jump from 42 to 30 is 
 much less dramatic.  

 BL in EC

 On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 11:25:39 AM UTC-8 bunny...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> I've been kind of triple-curious again. I live in a hilly part of L.A. 
> My commuter/city bike has an 11-34 11s with a 46/30 front. I've been 
> finding the 46 to 30 jump to feel pretty large. It feels much more 
> dramatic 
> than 50-34. For instance, if I switch big to small in the from, I'll sift 
> down at least 3 cogs on the back to totally avoid spinning out 
> immediately. 
> I sometimes find myself mildly cross chaining in either direction to find 
> the right gear.
>
> So I've been thinking of either going 1x, or 3x. My other bike is 1x, 
> and it's a carbon all-road/gravel thing. I like the setup for rougher 
> terrain. Also, I just don't like the idea of having duplicate bikes. I 
> also 
> romanticize the bike I had about 20 years go, which had an 11-27 9 speed 
> with 24/36/46. At the time, it felt luxurious, natural, and easy. But I 
> didn't know then what I know now, and many times when I've set up a 
> modern 
> bike like this one from my past, I get quickly disillusioned and undo 
> that 
> change.
>
> I kinda feel like the headline should be "triples: still fun and 
> useful for hands on bike nerds who like to tinker."
>
> Ben
>
> On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 10:44:06 AM UTC-8 
> captaincon...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I dissent.  Front derailers are unnecessarily complicated to setup, 
>> and so are triple chainrings, especially on XD2s.  I have 1X 10 one two 
>> bikes, and love it, and I just specced a 1X 11 with a Deore 5100 
>> derailer 
>> and 11-51 cassette for my BMC Monstercross.  The whole drivetrain cost 
>> less 
>> than a nice triple crankset, it's all lighter too.  Check out Analog 
>> Cycles 
>> for inspiration.
>> On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 11:45:17 AM UTC-6 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>
>>> For years Grant/Rivendell argued against lots of gears in the rear 
>>> because people didn't need to shift that much. The message 

[RBW] Re: FS - 58cm Appaloosa Frame/Fork

[J Imler]

SOLD

On Saturday, January 6, 2024 at 7:49:52 PM UTC-8 J Imler wrote:

> Sale pending.
>
> On Saturday, January 6, 2024 at 6:48:11 PM UTC-8 J Imler wrote:
>
>> for sale is my one owner Appaloosa. This style/color -
>> [image: Screenshot 2024-01-06 at 6.21.24 PM.png]
>> Riv video link <https://vimeo.com/159406504>. Blue shown at 1:54.
>>
>> Bay Area sale only. $1100. Frame Fork BB Seatpost included in sale.
>>
>> PM for more information.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: 26.8 seatposts with generous setback

[J Schwartz]

Thanks Joe

But the intention for this bike is a go fast-ish, light-ish, road oriented 
bike with 35-38mm tires

Her Bruce Gordon BLT already does what a Plat or Clem does for the most 
part...

Also, I don't see how going up a size in the Roadini helpsthe ETT goes 
from 55.2cm on the 50cm frame to 56.5cm on the 54cm frame.  That's half an 
inch.
and the reach goes from 37.2 to 37.3.

JS
On Sunday, January 7, 2024 at 1:30:22 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:

> I would say your wife is right that this frame is too small for her. It's 
> certainly not going to be helpful information for you now - you have the 
> frame and built it! - but she needs something like a Platypus or Clem L 
> where the reach can be long but still have standover clearance and a 
> reasonable amount of seatpost showing. 
>
> For reference I'm 79pbh and my custom has these numbers: 
> 54.2cm ST
> 63cm ETT (lots of room for Boscos) 
> standover is about 75cm
>
> Joe Bernard
>
> [image: Screenshot_20240107_102903.jpg]
>
> On Sunday, January 7, 2024 at 9:45:26 AM UTC-8 J Schwartz wrote:
>
>> Interesting , I have one of those zero offset Thomson's...
>> @Johnny Alien, did you increase your stem length?
>>
>> May try that... but I think the Wayback Compact is worth a shot.
>>
>> She thinks she may be the next size up , 54cm ..but I'm pretty sure she's 
>> barely straddle it.  The standover is 81.8cm.  She's got an 80pbh.
>> Plus according to the geo pages, the 50cm and 54cm have essentially the 
>> amount of reach.
>>
>> The crazy thing is she test fit my bike (59cm Romulus with a 9cm stem and 
>> noodles) while I was holding it up and said it was much better ...in terms 
>> of length...not height obviously.  Even then she was starting slide off the 
>> rear of the saddle though.
>>
>> Also on her Bruce Gordon ..with the 13cm stem and Albatross bars she is 
>> using the long setback VO post ...which only comes in 27.2 btw.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, January 7, 2024 at 12:01:17 PM UTC-5 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>
>>> I have close to the same PBH (80.5) and the same longer torso vs leg 
>>> length. I kept thinking I needed to go back but then on some advice from 
>>> this forum decided to adjust the stem vs saddle and actually bumped the 
>>> saddle forward a little bit. I went to a zero setback Thomson post. It was 
>>> a night and day improvement and I wished I had known to do this earlier. 
>>> This is on a Gallop prototype which is also a road bike frame. Keeping the 
>>> right geometry over the crank is the key to feeling comfortable for me and 
>>> going back was actually making it worse. Someone here can likely explain it 
>>> better and I am sure everyone is different. I know nothing about bike 
>>> fitting.
>>>
>>> On Sunday, January 7, 2024 at 11:07:10 AM UTC-5 J Schwartz wrote:
>>>
>>>> Greetings
>>>>
>>>> Picking up this thread I just bought a 50cm Roadini and had it built up 
>>>> for my wife  (Thanks Bryan!).  The goal being a faster, more roadie bike 
>>>> than she currently rides but still can hit trails.
>>>>
>>>> She has a very long torso and long arms but short (proportionally to 
>>>> her torso) legs...  She's an 80pbh so Right in the sweet spot for a size 
>>>> 50.
>>>> Initially I put Chocos on the bike on a 110mm high-rise stem ...but 
>>>> they come way back... so that probably not the right bar for the Roadini 
>>>> anyway.
>>>>
>>>> [image: Screenshot 2024-01-07 at 10.53.16 AM.png]
>>>> Even when mocking the bike up with noodles on a 100mm stem , she felt 
>>>> scrunched up and didn't have the reach she needed.  Her rear end was 
>>>> hanging off the back of the saddle. 
>>>>
>>>> Her other bike is a Bruce Gordon BLT Taiwanese-built touring frame with 
>>>> 26" wheels 
>>>> it's got a 44cm seat tube with a 54cm top tube and a, I think, a 12º 
>>>> slope on the top tube.  We've got a 13cm Nitto stem on it and Albatross 
>>>> bars ...which don't come back nearly as far as the Chocos.
>>>>
>>>> Currently the saddle is a  Brooks B17 all the way back on the stock 
>>>> Kalloy seatpost. 
>>>>
>>>> I'm rebuilding the cockpit with either drops or something like a 
>>>> Wavie...not sure which direction yet, but def something that doesn't come 
>>>> back too much and will use an appropriately long stem.
>>>>
>>>> With regards to seat-posts, I see IRD has

Re: [RBW] Re: 26.8 seatposts with generous setback

[J Schwartz]

Interesting , I have one of those zero offset Thomson's...
@Johnny Alien, did you increase your stem length?

May try that... but I think the Wayback Compact is worth a shot.

She thinks she may be the next size up , 54cm ..but I'm pretty sure she's 
barely straddle it.  The standover is 81.8cm.  She's got an 80pbh.
Plus according to the geo pages, the 50cm and 54cm have essentially the 
amount of reach.

The crazy thing is she test fit my bike (59cm Romulus with a 9cm stem and 
noodles) while I was holding it up and said it was much better ...in terms 
of length...not height obviously.  Even then she was starting slide off the 
rear of the saddle though.

Also on her Bruce Gordon ..with the 13cm stem and Albatross bars she is 
using the long setback VO post ...which only comes in 27.2 btw.



On Sunday, January 7, 2024 at 12:01:17 PM UTC-5 Johnny Alien wrote:

> I have close to the same PBH (80.5) and the same longer torso vs leg 
> length. I kept thinking I needed to go back but then on some advice from 
> this forum decided to adjust the stem vs saddle and actually bumped the 
> saddle forward a little bit. I went to a zero setback Thomson post. It was 
> a night and day improvement and I wished I had known to do this earlier. 
> This is on a Gallop prototype which is also a road bike frame. Keeping the 
> right geometry over the crank is the key to feeling comfortable for me and 
> going back was actually making it worse. Someone here can likely explain it 
> better and I am sure everyone is different. I know nothing about bike 
> fitting.
>
> On Sunday, January 7, 2024 at 11:07:10 AM UTC-5 J Schwartz wrote:
>
>> Greetings
>>
>> Picking up this thread I just bought a 50cm Roadini and had it built up 
>> for my wife  (Thanks Bryan!).  The goal being a faster, more roadie bike 
>> than she currently rides but still can hit trails.
>>
>> She has a very long torso and long arms but short (proportionally to her 
>> torso) legs...  She's an 80pbh so Right in the sweet spot for a size 50.
>> Initially I put Chocos on the bike on a 110mm high-rise stem ...but they 
>> come way back... so that probably not the right bar for the Roadini anyway.
>>
>> [image: Screenshot 2024-01-07 at 10.53.16 AM.png]
>> Even when mocking the bike up with noodles on a 100mm stem , she felt 
>> scrunched up and didn't have the reach she needed.  Her rear end was 
>> hanging off the back of the saddle. 
>>
>> Her other bike is a Bruce Gordon BLT Taiwanese-built touring frame with 
>> 26" wheels 
>> it's got a 44cm seat tube with a 54cm top tube and a, I think, a 12º 
>> slope on the top tube.  We've got a 13cm Nitto stem on it and Albatross 
>> bars ...which don't come back nearly as far as the Chocos.
>>
>> Currently the saddle is a  Brooks B17 all the way back on the stock 
>> Kalloy seatpost. 
>>
>> I'm rebuilding the cockpit with either drops or something like a 
>> Wavie...not sure which direction yet, but def something that doesn't come 
>> back too much and will use an appropriately long stem.
>>
>> With regards to seat-posts, I see IRD has come out with a new "Compact" 
>> version of their wayback stem.  It extends 30mm rather than the 50mm of the 
>> previous way -way back version 
>>
>> https://www.interlocracing.com/shop/ird-seatpost-wayback-compact-6972?search=wayback+compact#attr=346,4463,1073
>> and it's comes in 26.8mm
>> I think this could help a lot without the extreme nature of the 50mm 
>> version 
>>
>> Curious if anyone has had success with this post?
>>
>> Also, thinking the B17 may be the wrong saddle just bc of the short rails.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 18, 2023 at 1:46:45 AM UTC-4 Austin L wrote:
>>
>>> I like the American Classic setback posts. Occasionally they come up in 
>>> 28.6. 
>>>
>>> Another option if you have a makerspace or friend with a lathe is to 
>>> turn down a 27.2.
>>>
>>> Austin
>>>
>>> On Monday, April 17, 2023 at 3:22:34 PM UTC-7 Garth wrote:
>>>
>>>> Yes. Leah, for you to use the S-84, the lugged one with 37mm plus 
>>>> setback that comes only in 27.2mm size, you would need to take your bike 
>>>> to 
>>>> a bike shop who works with steel frames and has experience with reaming 
>>>> seat tubes. Reaming a standard 28.6mm outer diameter steel tube to take a 
>>>> 27.2mm post is not only easy, it's standard by most frame 
>>>> designers/builders. 26.8mm is not. Look for shops that have been around 
>>>> for 
>>>> a long time, and do ask about their experie

[RBW] Re: Maiden voyage with my new Homer

[J S]

Looks great, enjoy. 
On Saturday, January 6, 2024 at 2:52:27 PM UTC-5 Tim Bantham wrote:

> Congrats Don! Looks like a nice build. My new Homer frameset is hanging in 
> my basement just waiting for me to hang some parts on it. Can't wait to get 
> it on the road!. 
>
> On Saturday, January 6, 2024 at 2:11:54 PM UTC-5 Donzaemon wrote:
>
>> Hi folks, I've spent the past few months lurking and soaking up knowledge 
>> in hopes of informing the direction of my Homer build. I sort of agonized 
>> over so many details that it was tough landing on my desired gearing, 
>> wheels, bar tape, etc. One can spend an eternity and never get anywhere so 
>> I finalized on the last few undecided items and had the fine folks at Riv 
>> HQ begin their work. This past Saturday, I finally brought it home. 
>>
>> Pictured below is a stop I made on my ride on the Paradise Loop in Marin 
>> County. Beautiful views of the Bay all throughout this route. Looking 
>> forward to lots more miles in 2024!
>>
>> [image: IMG_9002.jpeg]
>> -don
>>
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[RBW] Re: FS - 58cm Appaloosa Frame/Fork

[J Imler]

Sale pending.

On Saturday, January 6, 2024 at 6:48:11 PM UTC-8 J Imler wrote:

> for sale is my one owner Appaloosa. This style/color -
> [image: Screenshot 2024-01-06 at 6.21.24 PM.png]
> Riv video link <https://vimeo.com/159406504>. Blue shown at 1:54.
>
> Bay Area sale only. $1100. Frame Fork BB Seatpost included in sale.
>
> PM for more information.
>
> Thanks
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Re: [RBW] NYC Riv Ride?

[J S]

My home town, Far Rockaway. For safety stay on the boardwalk should you 
ride in Far Rockaway. The western part of the Rockaways is much safer these 
days. 

On Tuesday, January 2, 2024 at 1:31:07 PM UTC-5 ryan.o...@gmail.com wrote:

> Not sure about my plans but would love to be kept in the loop. A ride to 
> the Rockaways is nice this time of year, if not too windy. 
>
> Sent from my mobile device. 
>
> On Jan 2, 2024, at 1:26 PM, Caroline Golum  wrote:
>
> Seeing the LA Riv Ride post got me thinking! Anyone in the NYC area 
> interested in a weekend ride this month? It's chilly, but we can handle it! 
>
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[RBW] Re: "Grant hates toe clips."

[J S]

I rode with clips and straps for most of my riding years (started I believe 
with them in the mid ‘70’s on my first 10 speed. I tried clipless in the 
‘90’s (frogs) but took a bad spill when I was unable to disengage hurting 
my leg, and back to clips and straps. After my second back surgery and 
riding again I took all the clips and straps off of my bikes adding 
platform pedals. It was a matter of safety so I could put a leg out if 
needed. I never missed the clips and straps. 

On Sunday, December 24, 2023 at 8:44:43 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:

> First entry in new Blahg. And no, he doesn't; he reports someone's 
> out-of-context judgment.
>
> But I'm curious how many on this RBW list like and use retention and how 
> many don't; and of the former, how many use toe clips and how many use 
> clipless systems -- and what kind.
>
> I'll start: I rode fast for years and thousands of miles in Keds with 
> thick, soft soles and then rubber-soled lace ups of other sorts on 
> un-clipped rat-trap pedals (and even rubber block pedals) until in about 
> 1990 I got my first relatively expensive road bike (1989 Falcon, tout 531C 
> with Sante group) and decided largely because of bike mag content that I'd 
> better get with the retention program. I started with Bata Bikers and clips 
> and straps, graduated to clips and straps and slotted cleats, then pretty 
> quickly switched to the burgeoning varieties of clipless -- Sampson 
> Stratics, Grafton "Erector Set" road and mtb pedals, Speedplay X1s and 
> Frogs, Looks of various sorts, and finally SPDs, road and mtb (by "road" I 
> mean the ones that came out for about 1 season long long ago with the mtb 
> mechanism). 
>
> A couple of years ago I tried platforms with spikes and no-retention shoes 
> but after about a month of annoyance always shifting my foot to find the 
> right position I gave up and went back to SPDs. I've got SPDs on all my 
> bikes though I've got a very nice set of XC Pros + clips and straps + 
> almost-as-new wood-soled Duegis with cleats that I'd like to try -- I found 
> slotted cleats with semi-tight straps easier with a fixed drivetrain than 
> Look Keos -- except that SPDs are so perfect.
>
> So, I've round that having gotten used to retention I find it very hard to 
> give it up. I daresay that this habituation is stronger since so much of my 
> riding is on fixed drivetrains, but I'd still want at least clips and 
> loose-ish straps with rubber soles for any freewheel drivetrain.
>
> But again, SPDs just feel so perfect that I will probably just stay with 
> them.
>
> Best wishes to all for the Christmas season.
>
> Patrick Moore, finishing up a late resume on Xmas eve in ABQ, NM.
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Ultegra 9spd long cage range

[Greg J]

I too have used it with a 11-32 and it worked fine. 

On Monday, December 18, 2023 at 4:16:04 PM UTC-8 Andy Beichler wrote:

> I am running an 11-32 cassette with a long cage and it indexes fine.
>
> On Monday, December 18, 2023 at 6:47:48 PM UTC-5 codyt...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I have one with an 11-30 cassette and it works well.
>>
>> Cody, Chicago
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 18, 2023 at 5:42 PM dylan green  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Jeremy - I was definitely hoping an 11-32 would be OK.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Dec 18, 2023 at 3:35 PM Jeremy Till  wrote:
>>>
 Generally, with Shimano road derailleurs the short and long cage 
 versions usually had about the same max cog specification, around 27 or 
 28t. The difference was that the longer cage one had enough capacity that 
 it could handle a triple in front. 

 The general consensus around here is that Shimano derailleur 
 capacity/max cog specifications are usually a little bit on the 
 conservative side, and many have successfully used them with larger rear 
 cogs than those for which they were specified. If it were mine, I'd be 
 tempted to see if it could shift something like an 11-32 cassette. 

 -Jeremy Till
 Sacramento, CA


 On Monday, December 18, 2023 at 3:14:12 PM UTC-8 dylantho...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> I have a 6500 series Ultegra RD with a long cage. Anyone know the 
> range of cassette I should be able to work with? I believe the short cage 
> can take 28, but I can't find the long cage max anywhere...any help is 
> appreciated!

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[RBW] Re: WTPF - Nitto Noodle, Albastache, and 70mm Tallux stem

[J Imler]

I’m open to the drops and stem is available.

On Sunday, December 17, 2023 at 2:17:00 PM UTC-8 modemm...@gmail.com wrote:

> (WTPF = Want To Pay Forward)
>
> In this case - the people here have been so kind and helpful I'd like to 
> give back. 
>
> I have as spare parts 2 Nitto handlebars - a Noodle and and Albastache - 
> plus a 70mm Tallux stem. They're free for the asking; I just ask you cover 
> shipping. 
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[RBW] Re: HUGE Rivendell archive update: Catalogs, flyers, brochures and more

[J]

The Radavist (John Watson) has surely contributed to the Hunqs recent 
popularity

On Thursday, December 14, 2023 at 5:26:00 PM UTC-5 Chris L wrote:

> I think the Hunqapillar was first offered around 2011 and I have one from 
> the first batch, bought from the original owner a few years ago.  
>
> Just as an interesting observation, I've been following RBW since 2011 and 
> for much of that time, most of the opinions I encountered outside this 
> small community were not overwhelmingly positive.  Now that the whole 
> gravel thing has taken off, I've found a ton of respect and admiration for 
> Rivendell.  Bike shop employees actually get excited when they see mine and 
> a couple have expressed interest, if I ever consider parting with it.  One 
> guy, who owns some very cool bikes and even started his own bike company, 
> said he knows several guys with Hunqapillars and that would be interested 
> in mine. 
>
> On Monday, September 19, 2022 at 5:56:44 PM UTC-5 johnny@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I've been trolling through old Riv Reader's, some fun reading I remember 
>> doing a long time ago when those were new. Thanks for sharing and archiving!
>>
>> Question though, and it's probably an easy one. I own a Hunqapillar and 
>> love it. When was the Hunq offered? What years and how many years? Any idea 
>> how many frames were sold? 
>>
>> On Friday, July 8, 2022 at 7:28:27 AM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Hi everyone. Small update: Reed added the Hunqapillar brochure to the 
>>> archive. 
>>>
>>>
>>> http://notfine.com/rivendell/Brochures/Rivendell%20Frames%20Hunqapillar.pdf
>>>
>>> On Thursday, December 23, 2021 at 8:59:16 AM UTC-5 John A. Bennett wrote:
>>>
 Great to see this again, Eric. I *might* have a copy...somewhere. 

 Thanks! 

 John

 On Thursday, September 2, 2021 at 10:08:47 AM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> I've spent the last several months scanning my collection of Rivendell 
> catalogs, flyers, ads and brochures. 
>
> Reed, who hosts the archive of Rivendell Readers at 
> http://notfine.com/rivreader/, kindly added all of my scans to the 
> site. Now there is quite a trove of Rivendell ephemera. 
>
> He created a new link (the old one still works!): 
> http://notfine.com/rivendell/
>
> Enjoy reading! All of the files are text searchable. If you have 
> anything that we haven't included please send me a DM. 
>
>
>- All 20 Rivendell catalogs
>   -  Catalogs from 1996-2018
>- Frame brochures
>   - 1995 frames mailer
>   - Atlantis and Atlantis 2
>   - Rambouillet
>   - Romulus
>   - Rivendell Frame Brochure
>   - An early frame paint chart
>   - *I'm missing the Cheviot brochure*
>- Flyers
>   - Nine flyers from 2002–2009
>   - *I'm missing Hiawatha Holidays No. 1 *
>- Ads
>   - An add for the reader from Vintage Bicycle Quarterly
>   - A 2014 Cheviot ad
>
>
>

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[RBW] WTB: 700c rear wheel(s) for a Pittsburgh friend's Sam H.

[J]

Howdy folks,
I have a friend in need of a rear wheel for his Sam Hillborne, the Velocity 
synergy rim has a 6" section of flare that's noticible braking, as he 
described it. I actually sold him this bike a few years back. He's in 
Pittsburgh so if anyone in the area has something all the better. He's 
currently considering having the wheel rebuilt with a new Velocity Atlas 
rim but my suggestion was to look for a different rear wheel to get away 
from the 6/7 speed freewheel on the original. At my guessing $80 for the 
rim + $100 for the labor he's 2/3 of the way to the price of decent used 
wheelsets I've bought in the past. He wants to set the Sam up as more of a 
dedicated rando-ish build, so I also urged him to consider a dynamo front 
wheel but now I'm just steering this away from what I beleive is a tight 
grad school budget. 

I think that covers it all. 
Thanks
J in WV

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Re: [RBW] 1st world commuting dilemma

[Greg J]

Another suggestion for your consideration is to cover up the downtube 
"Atlantis" logo with color-matching tape. Of course, you may not wish to, 
but I think that would deter at least some thieves - they can't do 
real-time research by looking up what an Atlantis is worth.  I used to do 
this back in the day with my Ritchey MTB.

Greg  

On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 1:23:27 PM UTC-8 Josh C wrote:

> That Ogre is ready to go, nice! I wouldn't consider commuting on the Hunq 
> either but I do ride it like anything else. 
>
> On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 2:10:16 PM UTC-5 Hoch in ut wrote:
>
>> [image: IMG_3203.jpeg]I get more compliments on my Ogre than my Riv’s as 
>> well! I’ve got one like your Hunq but in green. I’d never take that 
>> commuting. Not so much for it getting stolen but folks not being gentle 
>> when they lock up their bikes. And honestly, getting it stolen. 
>> They salt the roads here as well. I’d never take my Riv’s after a storm. 
>>
>> I recently bought a fairly nice Trek FX for my daughter. Low-mid level 
>> Shimano components. Everything works well. Has fender and rack mounts. All 
>> for $50! It’s a nice riding bike. And probably something I’d consider if I 
>> needed a cheap, nice-riding commuter. Especially for the salty winter 
>> months. 
>>
>> On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 11:09:56 AM UTC-7 Josh C wrote:
>>
>>>  Ginz - Thanks for the reply. I feel like riding it and using it for 
>>> its intended purpose is probably the right answer. I just feel like it may 
>>> be a bit of a target. IDK, it’s mostly us nerds that think Rivss are cool 
>>> and not beach cruisers anyway, right… Forgive me if I should know; do you 
>>> commute on a Rivendell Ginz? 
>>>
>>>
>>> Hoch - My commute is short as well, and by design. The last time I moved 
>>> and got a new job I made sure that my work was in the same zip code as my 
>>> residence. I see your point about riding the Ogre, but again, it’s not a 
>>> cheap bike to replace either. Also, my job is too all-consuming to worry 
>>> about anything else while at work; which can good and bad at times. 
>>>
>>>
>>> Cody - Thanks for adding some real-world experience commuting with that 
>>> killer Hillborne. You’re right, people seem to know Surly better (at least 
>>> here in the Midwest) I probably get more compliments on the Ogre and my 
>>> daughter’s Crosscheck than I do my Rivs. Thanks for adding the pic of your 
>>> bikes…notes the saddle lock…is that wrapped in an old tube? 
>>>
>>>
>>> Bill - Well put. That’s how I’m viewing it. Again, I put more miles on 
>>> the drop bar Atlantis but I ride my commuter WAY more often. Bill, do you 
>>> have the luxury of taking your daily driver inside or do you park out in 
>>> the wild? I’d love to see a pic too if you've got time. 
>>>
>>>
>>> Josiah - Love that you ride those bikes around and lock ‘em up outside. 
>>> I do figure that most people don’t think the Atlantis is cool enough to 
>>> steal, not compared to other bikes around. Indy used to get snow regularly, 
>>> all winter long, but now we get maybe 1 or 2 good snows and the rest is 
>>> just slop. If it’s too nasty I’ll just drive. I don’t have time in the 
>>> mornings to show up covered in road sludge. 
>>>
>>>
>>> B - I agree
>>>
>>>
>>> Patrick - Told ya. First world problem indeed. I work in a hospital in 
>>> critical care and there just really isn’t anywhere to put it. I do park out 
>>> of the way as much as possible but can't take it in. I love that Matthews 
>>> and your utilitarian approach to John’s strap-rigged, awkward, package 
>>> haul’n 
>>>
>>> On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 12:58:48 PM UTC-5 George Schick wrote:
>>>
 I used to do multi-mode commuting before I retired about 18 years ago - 
 ride the bike to the station, take train to the city, walk 4-5 blocks to 
 the office.  Never worried much about theft out here in the 'burbs while 
 working downtown because it was an old early 70's Fuji that I had 
 re-geared 
 and converted for commuting.  It was the ideal bike for that - rode well, 
 handled well, and was by no means an eye-catcher.

 BUT, I'd be way more concerned about salt damage during the Winter 
 months (used to live in the Indy area myself and, yes, they use it on the 
 streets there in abundance) and riding on hazardous icy slick surfaces 
 than 
 I would theft.

 BTW, why the classification of your Indy location, or the U.S. for that 
 matter, as a 1st World country in particular?  In many ways nowadays it is 
 backsliding into 3rd World status.
 On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 11:13:15 AM UTC-6 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Speaking of parking indoors: our priest got tired of me taking the 
> bike into the church (well, it was until a couple of weeks ago a prefab 
> now 
> used as the hall) to park it in the bathroom or library or kitchen, so he 
> gave me a key to the outside utility closet. I had 

[RBW] Re: Ron's Ortho vs. Nitto Albatross

[J]

To: Chris K (I have no idea how to quote your question and reply)

  I tend to move around a lot on bars and it's no different with the 
Mothbars, I definitely see them as 3 position bars. I spend quite a lot of 
time up in the bends in front of the shifters, the width is about identical 
to my favorite drop bar hood position.

On Monday, December 4, 2023 at 1:35:33 PM UTC-5 Chris K wrote:

> J, question about your mothbars - do you find yourself ever using other 
> hand positions?
>
> Intrigued by this bar but it looks like holding on anywhere but the ends 
> would be awkward with such a wide bar.
>
> On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 4:20:31 PM UTC-6 J wrote:
>
>> I've always had problems with swept back bars, tried many over the years 
>> from Riv, Velo O, Soma and the Albatross bar lasted the longest (6 months?) 
>> on any bike but they were never really comfortable either. Everything 
>> always felt too narrow for my shoulder width and gave me neck pain. I had 
>> an opportunity to try the Tumbleweed Persuader bars on my hardtail, and 
>> even though the back sweep threw the fit off it still got my gears turning 
>> about wider swoopy bars. I widened some Albatross bars in a vice and really 
>> felt like I was getting somewhere but started having saddle comfort issues 
>> from riding upright again, an issue I've always had. Last year I got to try 
>> Ron's Ortho bars on his Atlantis and they felt ridiculous in the moment, 
>> but a day later I was still thinking about them. They'd been sold out for 
>> so long I gave up and sourced some Magic Components Mothbars, and they've 
>> been great! They turned an old aluminum mtb I wasn't riding into a bike I'd 
>> happily take for a casual ride under 30 miles. 
>>
>> [image: 2xzuKpol[1].jpg]
>> [image: JMRTj5Ql[1].jpg]
>> [image: 6ySLdfsl[1].jpg]
>> [image: TPvZVebl[1].jpg]
>>
>> On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 3:01:00 PM UTC-4 exliontamer wrote:
>>
>>> The Albatross is my favorite upright bar. I'm a fairly tall guy with 
>>> fairly big hands and it really only has 1 1/2 hand positions for me but I 
>>> love the feel of it. It's stiff enough for trails, upright enough to 
>>> commute on, etc. They live on my older Toyo Atlantis. I do think the newer 
>>> revisions like the Billie work a lot better for newer Rivs with longer top 
>>> tubes. The Billie in particular is incredible. It would just have too much 
>>> sweepback for me on the Atlantis without using a comically long stem and I 
>>> would lose that forward bend position without having to lean a lot.
>>> As to Ortho bars I don't know how well they work for smaller statured 
>>> riders. I just put a pair on my Cheviot and they feel good out of the gate 
>>> but for someone who doesn't have broad shoulders they could be overkill. 
>>> On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 11:22:34 AM UTC-5 Glen wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'm a Billie Bar convert thanks to a kind list member and prefer them 
>>>> for the extra hand position in front of the brake levers. Yes they could 
>>>> look nicer with some extra rise, I'd prefer to look at a swooped up bar 
>>>> than a tall stem but that doesn't impact my ride only my gaze when looking 
>>>> at my bike instead of riding it. 
>>>>
>>>> Regarding the usability of the front hand position. I find myself there 
>>>> when I need one of two things, getting out of the wind while fighting a 
>>>> head wind or giving myself a good long stretch while still seated. With a 
>>>> 13cm stem and Billies I can get a really good stretch without getting off 
>>>> the bike. 
>>>>
>>>> FWIW my Billies are on a 64cm Atlantis
>>>>
>>>> On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 6:00:25 PM UTC+2 kirkebc...@gmail.com 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I've been riding Billie bars on my 90s Novara mtb for about two years 
>>>>> and absolutely love them for all the reasons Eric mentioned. 
>>>>> I have two critiques: I wish they had a little bit more rise and they 
>>>>> just aren't quite as aesthetically appealing as Albatross bars, which 
>>>>> just 
>>>>> seem to have a smoother overall curvature and shape. I'd love it if 
>>>>> someone 
>>>>> made a handlebar that was an Albatross with essentially the same width 
>>>>> and 
>>>>> extended sweep back of the Billie bars. 
>>>>> On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 2:34:41 PM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>

[RBW] Re: Ron's Ortho vs. Nitto Albatross

[J]

I tend to move around a lot on bars and it's no different with the 
Mothbars, I definitely see them as 3 position bars. I spend quite a lot of 
time up in the bends in front of the shifters, the width is about identical 
to my favorite drop bar hood position.

On Monday, December 4, 2023 at 1:35:33 PM UTC-5 Chris K wrote:

> J, question about your mothbars - do you find yourself ever using other 
> hand positions?
>
> Intrigued by this bar but it looks like holding on anywhere but the ends 
> would be awkward with such a wide bar.
>
> On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 4:20:31 PM UTC-6 J wrote:
>
>> I've always had problems with swept back bars, tried many over the years 
>> from Riv, Velo O, Soma and the Albatross bar lasted the longest (6 months?) 
>> on any bike but they were never really comfortable either. Everything 
>> always felt too narrow for my shoulder width and gave me neck pain. I had 
>> an opportunity to try the Tumbleweed Persuader bars on my hardtail, and 
>> even though the back sweep threw the fit off it still got my gears turning 
>> about wider swoopy bars. I widened some Albatross bars in a vice and really 
>> felt like I was getting somewhere but started having saddle comfort issues 
>> from riding upright again, an issue I've always had. Last year I got to try 
>> Ron's Ortho bars on his Atlantis and they felt ridiculous in the moment, 
>> but a day later I was still thinking about them. They'd been sold out for 
>> so long I gave up and sourced some Magic Components Mothbars, and they've 
>> been great! They turned an old aluminum mtb I wasn't riding into a bike I'd 
>> happily take for a casual ride under 30 miles. 
>>
>> [image: 2xzuKpol[1].jpg]
>> [image: JMRTj5Ql[1].jpg]
>> [image: 6ySLdfsl[1].jpg]
>> [image: TPvZVebl[1].jpg]
>>
>> On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 3:01:00 PM UTC-4 exliontamer wrote:
>>
>>> The Albatross is my favorite upright bar. I'm a fairly tall guy with 
>>> fairly big hands and it really only has 1 1/2 hand positions for me but I 
>>> love the feel of it. It's stiff enough for trails, upright enough to 
>>> commute on, etc. They live on my older Toyo Atlantis. I do think the newer 
>>> revisions like the Billie work a lot better for newer Rivs with longer top 
>>> tubes. The Billie in particular is incredible. It would just have too much 
>>> sweepback for me on the Atlantis without using a comically long stem and I 
>>> would lose that forward bend position without having to lean a lot.
>>> As to Ortho bars I don't know how well they work for smaller statured 
>>> riders. I just put a pair on my Cheviot and they feel good out of the gate 
>>> but for someone who doesn't have broad shoulders they could be overkill. 
>>> On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 11:22:34 AM UTC-5 Glen wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'm a Billie Bar convert thanks to a kind list member and prefer them 
>>>> for the extra hand position in front of the brake levers. Yes they could 
>>>> look nicer with some extra rise, I'd prefer to look at a swooped up bar 
>>>> than a tall stem but that doesn't impact my ride only my gaze when looking 
>>>> at my bike instead of riding it. 
>>>>
>>>> Regarding the usability of the front hand position. I find myself there 
>>>> when I need one of two things, getting out of the wind while fighting a 
>>>> head wind or giving myself a good long stretch while still seated. With a 
>>>> 13cm stem and Billies I can get a really good stretch without getting off 
>>>> the bike. 
>>>>
>>>> FWIW my Billies are on a 64cm Atlantis
>>>>
>>>> On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 6:00:25 PM UTC+2 kirkebc...@gmail.com 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I've been riding Billie bars on my 90s Novara mtb for about two years 
>>>>> and absolutely love them for all the reasons Eric mentioned. 
>>>>> I have two critiques: I wish they had a little bit more rise and they 
>>>>> just aren't quite as aesthetically appealing as Albatross bars, which 
>>>>> just 
>>>>> seem to have a smoother overall curvature and shape. I'd love it if 
>>>>> someone 
>>>>> made a handlebar that was an Albatross with essentially the same width 
>>>>> and 
>>>>> extended sweep back of the Billie bars. 
>>>>> On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 2:34:41 PM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi David — I've run Albatross, Billie and Ortho 

Re: [RBW] Studs for Winter Riding?

[J G]

Tires *like* the W106 700x35 Nokians work well for snow and ice on paths, 
however on rutted ice, they have no studs to pull you out.
Tires *like* the W240 700x40 Nokians are more aggressive with knobs, stud 
volume and stud placement.  You can ride these pretty much anywhere.

Schwalbe Marathon Winter and Ice Spiker Pros are great tires and worth a 
look.

As stated above, more aggressive tread and studs drive traction more than 
tire width.

I just bought some nice NOS Schwalbe 26x2.35" folding Ice Spiker Pros for 
my Riv Mtn/Expedition.

Justus,
Mpls, MN

On Sunday, December 3, 2023 at 9:02:51 PM UTC-6 fra...@gmail.com wrote:

> Yes, sorry. I didn’t catch the auto correct! Mine are 27.5x2.1. The only 
> others I used were right at 2”. So I can’t really say if wider helps. I can 
> say that the more aggressive tread and studs have made a huge difference. 
> They are about as loud as a car with studded tires though and my old set 
> made very little noise. 
>
> On Sunday, December 3, 2023 at 6:57:58 PM UTC-8 John Rinker wrote:
>
>> Thank you all for your replies. Just to clarify @frahm30, are those the 
>> 45N Kahva tires? I'm wondering about the fit of 2.25 with studs in my Hunq 
>> frame. Worked at a bike shop this summer and saw a bike with studs (sheet 
>> metal screws) that chewed into a frame! Ouch! 
>>
>> In the case of studded tires, does a wider tire make a great deal of 
>> difference as far a traction goes?
>>
>> Cheers, John
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, December 3, 2023 at 6:41:04 PM UTC-8 Josiah Anderson wrote:
>>
>>> I use 700x35 Nokians on my winter commuter. They work pretty well 95% of 
>>> the time, but today I was about at the limit – it snowed yesterday, thawed 
>>> a bit and rained, cleared off and froze hard, and then dusted snow again, 
>>> so we had loose powder on top of a sheet of pure ice. For conditions like 
>>> that I have some 26x2.2 Nokian Extremes that seem to be more stud than 
>>> tire, and they work spectacularly well on ice (though buzzy as heck on bare 
>>> pavement), but I don't have them on a bike right now so I just rode the 
>>> regular commuter carefully. Don't bother with any of the cheap Kendas etc 
>>> that only have studs on the sides – they say you only need them for 
>>> cornering but I've fallen while riding in more or less a straight line on 
>>> them multiple times.
>>>
>>> Josiah Anderson
>>> Missoula, MT
>>>
>>> Le dim. 3 déc. 2023 à 18:34, John Rinker  a écrit :
>>>
 Went for a ride in snow today and had a blast! I also slipped around a 
 little bit as I tried to follow the packed snow of tire tracks. Got me 
 thinking about studded tires. I've never ridden them before and know 
 nothing about them. 

 Do any of you fine folks with more experience in such matters than me 
 have any recommendations for studded tires for my Hunq?

 Cheers, John

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Re: [RBW] Re: NBOD: New Bike Ordered Day! The mythical canti-Roa!

[Greg J]

Bill, You have an eclectic and wide ranging taste in bikes, and I am often 
surprised by your choices.  So I can’t wait to see where this one fits in 
your spectrum of rides. 

Greg

On Saturday, December 2, 2023 at 6:45:33 AM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> ...and 20 months later, it has arrived!  Rivendell received my Cantilever 
> Roadeo from Nobilette this week, and it's off to paint.  I paid them a 
> visit and gave it a look over.  It looks very nice and I'm eager to see it 
> painted, and built up.  
>
> On my visit I had a very nice chat with Grant about various things, and a 
> few of the familiar old faces were there, so it was a pleasant visit all 
> around.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 11:15:17 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> John
>>
>> I will definitely run my current Roadeo wheelsets.  27mm tubulars.  Rene 
>> Herse Stampede Pass (622-32) and Bon Jon Pass (622-35).  For kicks I'll 
>> probably check how Barlow Passes look on the bike (622-38).  
>>
>> I don't plan on using fenders.  I plan on being able to use fenders.  I 
>> don't have a width or model in mind at the moment.  
>>
>> I am considering using Rene Herse Cantilevers.  Those brakes are super 
>> light, super minimalist, and very not-adjustable.  My opinion is that they 
>> can only work great when a master builder builds the frame and fork with 
>> those brakes in mind.  Weigle and Nobilette are the two who I'd trust to 
>> execute that, because both have done it dozens of times.  
>>
>> I expect to take delivery about a year from now.  Nobilette's queue is 
>> indeed deep, and it contains other Roadeos, Riv customs, and Nobilettes.  
>> I'm happy that Nobilette has the steady work, and hope he is charging what 
>> he needs to keep the lights on.  I was happy to pay the price I've paid.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 9:41:52 AM UTC-7 John Hawrylak wrote:
>>
>>> Bill
>>>
>>> The canti-roadeo sounds great and I wish you the best of luck with it.  
>>> The rear brake bridge is smart idea for canti's or CPs.  Well worth the 
>>> cost to eliminates the cable hanger and all of it's problems.   I'd vote 
>>> for red with cream head tube, just think a darker main color looks best.
>>>
>>> 4 questions
>>> What size tire will you use??
>>> Sounds like you plan on using fenders.   What width are you planning on??
>>> What brakes do you plan on using??
>>> What is the lead time??   I thought the last Blaugh talked about closing 
>>> the custom order book for a time and then starting again something like 1 
>>> year later
>>>
>>> John Hawrylak
>>> Woodstown NJ
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 6:12:10 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
 Toshi and Matt asked whether my new frameset will be a Roadeo or a 
 Rivendell Custom

 Yes, it's a Roadeo.  It is priced like a Roadeo, will have Roadeo 
 graphics, and is not a custom.  I went to rivbike.com, put a 59cm 
 Roadeo in my cart and paid for it.  Over email with Mark A, I specified a 
 bunch of details.  They included:

 -threadless steerer (threaded and threadless are no-cost options)
 -DT shifter bosses (shifter bosses or braze on cable stops are no-cost 
 options)
 -canti-posts (this is an option, and I don't know if there will be an 
 upcharge)
 -a Legolas fork crown instead of a Roadeo crown.  Holds the fork blades 
 a tiny bit wider for easier canti-post placement.  Will not change the A-C 
 fork length
 -I will be using cantilever brakes, so I wanted a brazed on rear 
 housing stop.  I asked Mark A if I could get a one-arm braze on like is 
 pictured on one of his personal custom cross bikes, and he said OK.  I 
 don't know what I'll pay for that
 -Roadeo Top Tube slotted cable guides are normally down low and 
 off-center from 6 o'clock.  Legolas slotted cable guides are at 12 o'clock 
 for two cross-racing reasons.  I asked for mine off center up top, biased 
 to the non-drive side
 -fender attach points (no cost option)

 BL in EC  

 On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 1:56:09 PM UTC-7 ttoshi wrote:

> So this is a semi-custom canti-Roadeo and not a full custom?  Threaded 
> or threadless? Can't wait to see it!
>
> Toshi
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 1:37 PM Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>
>> Mike
>>
>> You are right that there are gatekeepers.  In this case, the 
>> gatekeepers are Grant and Mark A.  Grant's main thing is if you buy a 
>> Roadeo, and they put Roadeo on it, it's got to be a Roadeo.  I asked 
>> them 
>> about the concept in principal back in 2020, and I was only like 60/40 
>> that 
>> they would say yes, but they said OK at that time.  This week, I gave 
>> Mark 
>> A my full list of details, and Mark A cleared all of them, so I paid for 
>> it.  Now I'll wait and ride the other bikes in the 

[RBW] Re: FS: Homer headbadge

[J G]

lol.  As soon as I saw this, I knew you had to be the guy who removed the 
head badge on what is now my Green Rosco.
On Friday, December 1, 2023 at 10:51:52 AM UTC-6 Paul M wrote:

> Sold. Thanks!
>
> On Friday, 1 December 2023 at 05:34:25 UTC-8 Paul M wrote:
>
>> Just removed this head badge from my new A. Homer Hilsen frameset. I like 
>> the look of the plain cream-colored head tube contrasting with the mustard 
>> frame. Perfect condition. Amazing what you can do with nylon tire irons. 
>> $35/shipped. Email me directly. Thanks, Paul in rainy Eugene Oregon.
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Gunnar Crosshairs

[Kieran J]

I love that Waterford. My size too! Did you have it made or found it 
second-hand? Do you happen to know the stack/reach on it?

KJ


On Wednesday, November 29, 2023 at 9:25:08 AM UTC-8 andyree...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Holy smokes, looks like we found similar Waterfords around the same time. 
> Similar frame color too! Now I feel vindicated for this morning's purchase 
> of blue cotton tape to pair with that graphite/champaign color. Looks 
> sharp!  
>
> [image: Image_20231129_112313 (1).jpeg]
>
> On Tuesday, November 28, 2023 at 6:46:35 PM UTC-6 exliontamer wrote:
>
>> I have a 46/30  with an 11-28 cassette. The brakes are Shimano CX-50s 
>> which I've always had good luck with. I snapped a photo but these are 
>> measured 38s. The chain stays are the only section that's remotely tight. 
>> Maybe room for a 40 or 42? Either way, I usually prefer 32-38 for road so 
>> this is perfect for my purposes. [image: IMG_5104.jpg]
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 28, 2023 at 1:35:44 PM UTC-6 Eric Daume wrote:
>>
>>> Having owned both a Crosshairs and a Roadini, I think you made the good 
>>> choice. Enjoy it!
>>>
>>> Eric
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, November 28, 2023, exliontamer  wrote:
>>>
 Got this built up & just wanted to share. I was looking for a Roadini 
 but this happened to pop up in my size & the price was too good to resist. 
 Can't speak highly enough about it. Wish I liked the Gunnar "Star Wars" 
 logo more but that's my only complaint. Very happy to have a tiny piece of 
 Waterford history. 
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[RBW] Re: A Homer Hill build....

[Greg J]

@Sarah - maybe the easiest thing is to go on a ride with some local list 
members who can give you some ideas while you're actually riding on these 
roads.  

For example, have you ridden a 24T granny on the road---and if so, with 
what rear cog?  A 24 is really very low for the road (but not for dirt), 
and a 24T - 32 in the back may be too low to be useful.  A 26 or even a 28 
may be a better granny depending on your cassette range.  But as mentioned 
already, only you know what works for you.

Greg

On Monday, November 27, 2023 at 6:13:55 AM UTC-8 sarahlik...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Bike nerd input is heartily welcomed. Gearing has been a challenge for me 
> to understand but from spending hours reading and trying things out I'm 
> starting to understand... thanks to other bike nerds!
>
> The outcome is I will likely be giving a triple a try. The 34 is my 
> favorite chain ring to live in, but I long for the higher and lower gearing 
> when I don't have them. And somehow my brain gets the function of the 
> triple more than trying to understand all the combinations possible with 
> the cassette, and trying to comprehend "gearing math."
>
> On Sunday, November 26, 2023 at 1:45:07 PM UTC-8 Ted Durant wrote:
>
>> On Sunday, November 26, 2023 at 12:34:51 PM UTC-6 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>
>> I would echo that triples are pretty nice - not only do you get more 
>> range, but the 10-tooth jumps in the front are a lot less 'disruptive' if 
>> you know what I mean. I find the smaller chainring jump means that when I 
>> hit the base of a hill I can often just drop a chainring and leave the rear 
>> alone, and it is a natural gear reduction .. whereas on the wide-low 
>> double, you would be spinning like crazy if you tried the same thing
>>
>>
>> Excellent point, and one that launches me into bike nerd mode... 
>> apologies in advance if this is too much.
>>
>> The "standard" chainring gap became 16 teeth when "compact double" 50x34 
>> combos became all the rage. That's a 39% jump, the way I measure it 
>> (Ln(50/34)), or about 2.5 times the 15.4% jump from 18 to 21 in back. Now, 
>> if you keep that 16 tooth gap but go down to 40x24, that's a ginormous 51% 
>> jump, which is 3.3x the 18-21 jump. I have a 42x26 on my Waterford ST-22, 
>> and it's definitely jarring to drop to the small ring when you hit a hill, 
>> requiring a bit of advance planning to shift a cog harder in the rear, 
>> first. I spent plenty of time riding half-step gearing, so I'm facile with 
>> double-shifting, but after a couple hundred kms I'm too tired for that. For 
>> my Breadwinner G-Road I went with 44x32, which is a gentle 32% jump. It 
>> means there's more overlap in the gearing, or to put it another way, I'm 
>> not maximizing the total range of the system, but I very much prefer to 
>> make that trade-off. At 41%, the 14-tooth gap on the Silver 42x28's on my 
>> Sams is pretty much the outer limit for me. The Wide-Low (38x24) is a 46% 
>> jump which is pretty high.
>>
>> Ted Durant
>> Milwaukee, WI USA
>>
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] A Homer Hill build....

[Greg J]

Forgive me for bike-splaining here, but it seems like you're narrowing it 
down, so here's some more for your consideration.

Given where you ride, it makes sense to start with a triple, since that 
will cover all your bases (steep uphills, general riding, and fast 
downhills).

   1. What type of triple?  There are different bolt circle diameter (bcd) 
   standards for cranksets, and that dictates the sizes of the chainrings. 
The "Riv standard" is 110/74 (110 for middle and large; 74 for small). 
The smallest chainring for a 74bcd is 24T, and the smallest chainring for 
   110 bcd is 34T.  The 110/74 is probably the "Riv standard."  (There's also 
   94/58, which can give you smaller middle and small chainrings, but these 
   cranksets are harder to come by.)
   2. What size chainrings?  This depends on what you feel you're missing 
   currently, between the front chainrings and rear cassette.  If you're using 
   a 24T, do you use the largest rear cassette?  Do you want an even "easier" 
   gear?  In the 34T, do you use generally the middle range of your cassette? 
or are you biased towards the larger or smaller half?  For the large 
   chainring, unless you want to go faster than your coasting speed downhill, 
   you likely won't need anything any larger than 46T.   Typically, the 
   standard combos comprise of 46-48T large, 34-38T mid, and 24-28 small.
   3. What cassette?  This should be decided in combination with #2 above. 
The smallest cog is typically 11-13T.  The largest is all over the place, 
   but with "standard" long cage rear derailleurs, imo a good range is between 
   28 and 36T.
   4. Index or friction shifting?  I would not rule out friction shifting 
   for the front, as indexing front shifters can be finicky.  The rear is 
   entirely your preference.  
   5. A not-so-radical alternative.  Many people who don't need to go fast 
   downhill will skip the large chainring of a triple and just use the inner 
   and middle.  For example, if you're happy with your 34 or 36T middle 
   chainring and the smallest cassette cog of 11T, then you'll save some 
   weight and benefit from less complexity by leaving out the large chainring. 


Good luck!
On Monday, November 27, 2023 at 7:24:42 AM UTC-8 sarahlik...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> This is gearing math I can understand... there is a Papa bear, and Mama 
> bear, and a Baby bear... and something that will be just right for everyone!
>
> On Monday, November 27, 2023 at 6:55:19 AM UTC-8 Eric Daume wrote:
>
>> IMO redundant gears are more of a conceptual or theoretical concern than 
>> a real issue. If you’re setting up a triple, you really end up with:
>>
>> - a middle ring for the majority of your riding 
>> - a small ring for big hills, use it with the biggest cogs in back
>> - a big ring for downhills or otherwise going fast. Use it with your 
>> medium and small cogs and back. 
>>
>> Yes, your small/small and big/big combos will give you those redundant 
>> gears, but who cares? You don’t need to use them anyway. 
>>
>> Eric 
>> Who lives the 1x life in flat central Ohio 
>>
>>
>> On Monday, November 27, 2023, Sarah Carlson  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Thank you for bringing up the redundant gears... in my brain I'm telling 
>>> myself maybe it's overkill... but is it really such a terrible thing?
>>>
>>> On Sunday, November 26, 2023 at 5:27:48 PM UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>>
 You bring up a good point Ted about so-called redundant gears, which is 
 something many cyclists try to eliminate as much as possible to their own 
 practical detriment. It's better to approach planning a drivetrain by 
 identifying how low you want your low gear to be, how high you want your 
 high gear to be, and then finding the most user-friendly combination to 
 get 
 there. A big issue with wide-range doubles is that you'll find that you 
 need to drop into the small ring for every hill, whereas if you have a 
 triple, you can generally stay in the middle ring most of the time and 
 save 
 a lot of front shifts, even though you have more rings up there. 

 For me, I find I don't need anything above about 95 gear inches - above 
 that and I'm going to coast, maybe tuck in and get aero. Maybe 100 tops. 
 On 
 the low end, if it's used off-road or to carry loads I'll want something 
 in 
 the 18-20 gear inch range, but if it's a roadish bike, 24-25 inches is 
 good. So what I tend to do is run a double but size the rings such that I 
 truncate the big gears I'll almost never use, so that I can run a big ring 
 on the double that I can stay in on gentle climbs. 40/28 to 11-34 is a 
 great combo, for instance. Even 38/26 to 11-28 to get some smaller steps 
 on 
 the back, and 38-11 is a big enough top gear for most situations 

 On Sun, Nov 26, 2023 at 1:45 PM Ted Durant  wrote:

> On Sunday, November 26, 2023 at 12:34:51 PM UTC-6 Jason Fuller 

[RBW] Re: A Homer Hill build....

[Greg J]

On the topic of gearing, I recently went from a wide range double to a 
triple and find it to be an improvement in one important way.  On the 
double I had the total range I needed (46-30 front, 12-30 or so, generally 
enough for most east bay hills).  But I found that I was cross-chaining on 
the gears that I find myself in most often (those gears were mostly in the 
big-big range or small-small range).  I converted to a triple with a 40 
chaining up front (48-40-28), and my favorite cruising gears are now in the 
middle of the sprocket (I’m guessing 16-20 range) on the 40t chainring. 

All this to say, next time you’re on the hilly type of ride that you want 
this new bike for (on your current bike), think about what gears you’re in 
and how you might want to change them.  Do you want a lower low end? 
 Higher high?  And what is the middle gear range that you find yourself 
riding most of the time?  That could help make your decision on a triple 
(which, as you know, is a little heavier and a little more complicated due 
to having to shift across 3 rather than 2 chainrings, both in the mechansm 
and in your riding habit).

Greg

On Sunday, November 26, 2023 at 8:29:37 AM UTC-8 sarahlik...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> And it was a beginner ride with a avg 12 mile posted pace. I almost told 
> him i hoped I hadn't held him back from making a personal best time on that 
> ride!
>
> My other bikes are set up perfect for what I do, so no stripping! Although 
> I might have to consider that myself to bring in money for my bike habit.
>
> On Sunday, November 26, 2023 at 7:45:47 AM UTC-8 Ted Durant wrote:
>
>> On Sunday, November 26, 2023 at 9:25:01 AM UTC-6 sarahlik...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>> You always need a Hilly Bike... Do it!
>>
>> A list full of enablers :-)
>>  
>>
>> I had an injury (shoulder) last year and had what I would call total 
>> fitness depletion so I have been building back up from what feels like 
>> zero. 
>>
>> I'm very sympathetic to that.  I've had a bunch of weird stuff happen 
>> over the last few years, including a drug that started killing my red blood 
>> cells, so I have felt like I've had to restart the engine a few times. That 
>> might be one reason why my bikes are all set up the same way ... trying to 
>> stick with what works in terms of positioning, while I get the other things 
>> going.
>>  
>>
>>  So while I figure that out I'm open to seeing what a lighter built up 
>> bike can do. 
>>
>> Far be it for me not to be the enabler of buying another Riv, but have 
>> you considered stripping down one of your existing bikes and trying some 
>> nice, light tires? In my experience, tires make by far and away the biggest 
>> difference to how a bike feels, and if you've dialed in a good riding 
>> position, you could start there (and maybe a wider range set of gears in 
>> back). Removing a rear rack can also remove some stiffness from the rear of 
>> the bike, but I don't know how many people would feel that difference, 
>> especially on a bike that's already fairly stout and on cushy tires.
>>
>> with exception to the guy who led the first beginner ride I went on, 
>> looked at my bike and stated, "I hope I can ride slow enough..." 
>>
>>
>> Hoo boy, just the kind of person you want leading a group ride...  one of 
>> the reasons I stopped going on group rides.
>>
>> Ted Durant
>> Milwaukee, WI USA
>>
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[RBW] Re: Newer Sam Hillborne/Toyo Atlantis crossover

[J S]

Cannot speak for the Atlantis but I have a Hillborne and think it can be 
used on streets, gravel, dirt paths. It can fit 48mm tires without fenders, 
a really nice bike with shorter chainstays  than Riv is favoring on 90% of 
their current bikes. For me that was the decision point. 
On Saturday, November 25, 2023 at 12:36:39 PM UTC-5 exliontamer wrote:

> Just curious if anyone has any real world experience with both of these 
> bikes, and if so, how similar they feel & ride (aside from obvious 
> differences like tire clearance). I have a 61 Atlantis and am looking at a 
> 60 Hillborne. Thanks!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Anna Purple

[J]

Someone may have mentioned this already, but didn't Leah have issues with 
not being able to get her seat back far enough to get reach and hand 
position comfy on her current size 55 Platypus? Maybe I'm remembering 
wrong,  but it seems a size 50 will amplify that same issue? 

On Sunday, November 19, 2023 at 5:19:54 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Dang, that really is pretty ain't it? I thought I wasn't into purple..I've 
> changed my mind! 
>
> On Sunday, November 19, 2023 at 2:15:53 PM UTC-8 kiziria...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> You can view BlueLug's own studio photography of the ana purple platypus 
>> frame here for another take: 
>> https://global.bluelug.com/rivendell-platypus-frame-set-ana-purple.html 
>>
>> On Sunday, November 19, 2023 at 9:01:37 AM UTC-8 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>
>>> You will likely need to swap out the stem but other than that most 
>>> should cross right over. Hold on to the Clem frame until you are positive 
>>> that the 50cm will work for you and there is little risk. If it works sell 
>>> the Clem and if it doesn't sell the Platy frame. 
>>>
>>> On Sunday, November 19, 2023 at 11:38:54 AM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>>> Ding! wrote:
>>>
 
 I am seriously thinking of an Ana Purple Platy in the 50 cm size. I 
 love my 55s but they are too big to take on planes and trains. I would 
 have 
 chosen the Sergio Green but I have mermaid already and I like it better. I 
 don’t want two similar colors in my trio. 

 I was looking at purple Riv images yesterday and saw this one:

 [image: image0.jpeg]

 This leads me to believe the purple has a little more personality that 
 what most of the photos show. And, I do know Ana and she has said her bike 
 shines magenta in sunlight.

 If I do this, the parts from my wild Clem will get thrown onto this 
 purple frame. And it will either be my best idea or a spectacular failure. 

 What I know it will be is this: a real riot of color.
 [image: image1.jpeg]

 Leah

 On Nov 18, 2023, at 10:00 PM, Armand Kizirian  
 wrote:

 I have ordered an Ana Purple Platypus Complete in the latest presale. 
 I have many opinions on the color. 


 First, if you want safe, the Sergio green was there for the taking. 
 Classic, timeless, classy, non-offensive, gender-neutral, and provides a 
 neutral base color to accessorize with. Brown vs black saddle/grips? Both 
 will work equally well. The metallic flake does not hurt either. 

 Now down to the purple. I have mentioned previously here that I find 
 the purple to be a bit flat and too saturated. These are my observations 
 after viewing an embarrassing (not really, we're all bike nerds here) 
 amount of photographs of Ana Purple rivs. Purple, is an incredibly dynamic 
 color, given it can find many different shades as you add more red or blue 
 to it (adjacent colors on the color wheel). Ana Purple seems to be smack 
 dab a 50/50 blend of blue and red, which, in my opinion, is *so-so* on 
 the fun/originality scale. Add to that the dark shade of the saturation 
 and 
 it's a bit much! I mean, purple can (and often should) be loud. If it was 
 a 
 lighter shade to the point of lavender, it would not be as gender neutral. 
  
 I personally think if some metallic flake (silver or other colors) was 
 added with a hint lighter of a shade it would be much nicer. 

 So, why did I order an Ana Purple Platypus at 12:01PM with the option 
 of Sergio Green for the taking? Fun factor. Now, I'm a 33 year old male 
 with some rather hyper-masculine features. I have no issue with presenting 
 a bit more feminine (3-5" inseam short shorts please) and challenging 
 gender norms. Coupled with the step through design, I'm sure I will get a 
 lot of, "but isn't that a woman's bike?"...Confusing passerbys or 
 challenging their idea of what type of bike a hyper masculine looking man 
 rides is part of the fun. I'm sure I will come to appreciate it and grow 
 fond of it overtime as I witness the color in different light and scenes. 
 I 
 also wish for this to be a bike that any of my friends, male or female, 
 can 
 ride and have a blast on. 

 I plan on letting the Purple stand out in the palette. Yes I ordered a 
 complete, but that is simply for my immediate pleasure before I strip it 
 to 
 the frame with my spec of parts. I plan on silver components, many of them 
 Paul, which provide the opportunity to add little purple anodized accents. 
 Think polished brakes/levers, but purple/black barrel adjusters or brake 
 spring holders. Black leather saddle/grips with hints of brass here and 
 there. Make a palette of complementary-ish colors and choose mismatched 
 Nissen cable housing to match. Lots of little details like Forager cable 
 

Re: [RBW] Northern Hemisphere Fall / Autumn Riding Photos 2023

[J]

SallyG and Eric
I remember my first week in the bay area after when I didn't yet have the 
confidence to ride far from the house, I ran into two turkeys having a 
dance off. I should've been entranced by their hypnotic circling of each 
other but all I could think was TURKEYS IN CALIFORNIA?!? I'd lived my whole 
live in WV and had no idea those big birds would be there. 

On Sunday, November 19, 2023 at 9:39:50 PM UTC-5 Jason Fuller wrote:

> A windy morning re-blanketed this section of sidewalk for probably the 
> last time this year, since there's not a lot left in the trees.  Plus I 
> rebuilt the Hillborne with Albatross (again) and a few new tweaks. 
>
> [image: PXL_20231119_194156692.jpg]
>
> On Sunday, 19 November 2023 at 18:35:52 UTC-8 SallyG wrote:
>
>> Eric,
>>
>> Bustling Morro Bay on the central coast of CA!
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 19, 2023 at 2:05 PM Eric Marth  wrote:
>>
>>> SallyG: Where is this scene? Palmated trees and wild turkeys. Looks like 
>>> the guy in back has a pretty long beard! 
>>>
>>> On Sunday, November 19, 2023 at 3:04:53 PM UTC-5 SallyG wrote:
>>>
 [image: Turkeys .jpg]
 Thanksgiving Holiday Traffic!

 On Sun, Nov 19, 2023 at 10:52 AM Ted Durant  wrote:

> Sunday morning traffic jam in SE Wisconsin
>
> Ted Durant
> Milwaukee, WI USA
>
> [image: Frame-19-11-2023-12-46-47.jpeg]
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[RBW] Re: Kid's First Pedal Bike (Riv parent edition)

[J]

The Woom 3 was perfect for a 4 year old who just could'nt grasp balancing 
once the training wheels were taken off. I truly beleive that training 
wheels hinder a kid from learning to ride, the balance bikes are the way to 
go. The day the Woom arrives I removed the pedals and had the kiddo ride it 
like his balance bike 15 minutes later I put the pedals back on and he rode 
off into the sunset never to be seen again. Woom for the win!

J

On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 2:56:28 PM UTC-5 fiddl...@gmail.com wrote:

> Folks - thank you so much for all of your incredibly helpful & thoughtful 
> responses! I've read through each one multiple times and feel so much 
> better informed now and can't wait to transition to the pedaling years with 
> my son!
>
> Nick
>
> On Wednesday, November 15, 2023 at 3:55:09 PM UTC-5 Nick Shoemaker wrote:
>
>> Since RBW regrettably doesn't make kids hillibikes, I'm going to have to 
>> go a bit outside of my comfort zone to pick out a first pedal bike for my 
>> son. He's ~3.5yo, and more than ready to move up from his 12" balance bike.
>>
>> Any tips from other parents who have recently gone through the switch 
>> from balance to pedals? I'm leaning toward something like a Woom 3 (16"), 
>> since they seem to be very well regarded, and I'm afraid he would outgrow a 
>> 14" bike too soon at this point to justify the expense. (am I wrong?) 
>> Probably also worth noting that a lot of his riding is currently on trails, 
>> so I'm definitely looking for something that will work well off-pavement, 
>> too. Anyhow, I'll take any advice the group is willing to throw at me - 
>> thanks in advance for your help!
>>
>> Nick
>>
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[RBW] Re: Compliments

[J S]

I live in the northeast and after all of these years only had one person 
say nice bike. Not sure if it was the Hillborne or the Saluki. This person 
did not know it was a rivendell, they were not riding but walking at the 
time. Of course there are less Rivs here than in the Bay Area. 

On Wednesday, November 15, 2023 at 3:01:31 PM UTC-5 aeroperf wrote:

> So one thing I’ve noticed - I mean REALLY noticed - about our Rivendell 
> bikes is that they get compliments.
>
> I ride the Silver Comet near Atlanta.  
> https://groups.google.com/g/bicycletouring/c/cFpcvUWqzkA
> For 15 years I rode a Diamondback Approach, a decent hybrid bike (as they 
> called those back in the ’90s).  I never heard a word from fellow riders.
> Then in 2015 I got a Sam Hillborne.  Bog standard, as the Brits say - Sage 
> Blue, cork grips.  I added some fenders and started seriously hitting the 
> trail for exercise.
>
> Suddenly folks are pulling up next to me (or going past), and saying “Nice 
> bike!”  Now I’m 74 and banging along at about 11 mph, so it’s not tough to 
> pull up next to me.  But this happens 2 - 3 times a year.  It surprises me.
>
> A couple of nice ladies went on about the friction shifters and “a hard 
> leather seat.  He’s hard core!”, before riding off on their carbon 
> Cannondales.  A nice gentleman commented at length on the cork grips. 
>  Maybe he was a fly fisherman?
>
> It happened again yesterday when I stopped for water.  Two guys also 
> stopped and were very complimentary about the Sam.  One asked to ride it 
> (sure!) and came back grinning (“If I didn’t already have too many bikes…”)
> It surprised my wife, too.  I built her up a Platypus last winter, and on 
> her second ride she got a “Nice bike!” from someone.  She came home with 
> smiles.
>
> Does this happen to you when you ride your Rivendell?  Tell us about the 
> compliments you get.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Compliments

[Greg J]

It's actually a big downside for me.  As someone who is generally 
uncomfortable with compliments, I find myself choosing not to ride my Riv 
as much because of the attention it gets.  My other, 
equally-attention-worthy bikes (vintage Ritchey, Eisentraut, Gordon) never 
elicit the level of attention that the Riv does.



On Thursday, November 16, 2023 at 10:55:11 AM UTC-8 Mike Godwin wrote:

> Indeed. Rode along with the SLO bike club one day on my Roadeo (white with 
> blue head tube) with my Sunday riding buddy. A few folks were asking about 
> it, one rider even took some photos. Other comments from strangers have 
> been, "its vintage, how old is it?" or "you have a triple chainring, 
> haven't seen that in a long time." 
>
> Its nothing special, but it does get attention fur sure. 
>
> Mike SLO CA 
> On Thursday, November 16, 2023 at 8:36:06 AM UTC-8 Ryan wrote:
>
>> Thanks rich...can't bring myself to sell them yet even though I haven't 
>> been riding them as much
>>
>> On Thursday, November 16, 2023 at 10:27:02 AM UTC-6 RichS wrote:
>>
>>> Hey Ryan, nice bikes. Very nice!!!
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Rich in ATL
>>>
>>> On Thursday, November 16, 2023 at 11:04:36 AM UTC-5 Ryan wrote:
>>>
 I always admired that bike, jock 

 these 2 always get compliments[image: 20230728_130429.jpg]
 On Thursday, November 16, 2023 at 8:30:09 AM UTC-6 John Dewey wrote:

> Y'all, I'm a GA southerner recently displaced in NorCAL and I get 
> tagged for comments damn near every time out it seems. The locals are 
> pretty much dialed in, even folks you'd never guess be interested. 
>
> I'm guessing the color or the mudguards is the attraction...but the 
> comments aren't so unusual as the recognition as Rivendell. Many say 
> 'ooo, 
> nice Riv." That definitely never happened before. 
>
> Jock
>
> [image: Screenshot 2023-11-16 at 6.17.45 AM.png]
>
> On Thu, Nov 16, 2023 at 5:47 AM Nick A.  wrote:
>
>> I've been lucky enough here in the D.C. area to receive a number of 
>> compliments for my Atlantis while out and about. Notably, many of the 
>> complimenters are gentleman older than I that always wanted a Riv but 
>> for 
>> whatever reason never pulled the trigger. Or, have never seen them in 
>> real 
>> life. They ask if it was worth it, and I say "yes" without hesitation. 
>>
>> On Thursday, November 16, 2023 at 6:07:08 AM UTC-5 ascpgh wrote:
>>
>>> My orange Rambouillet draws unsolicited compliments often. When 
>>> riding The Five Boro Ride in NYC a few years ago my wife was impressed 
>>> by 
>>> the number of strangers who pulled alongside, took a long look at my 
>>> bike 
>>> and either gave silent thumbs up or gave compliment to it. She noticed 
>>> the 
>>> relative anonymity of all the CFRP bikes and how their riders looked 
>>> dejected when positive comments on my bike came. Near the Verrazano 
>>> Narrows 
>>> Bridge she said "It's like we've been riding with 30,000 of your 
>>> friends."
>>>
>>> Andy Cheatham
>>> Pittsburgh
>>> On Wednesday, November 15, 2023 at 3:01:31 PM UTC-5 aeroperf wrote:
>>>
 So one thing I’ve noticed - I mean REALLY noticed - about our 
 Rivendell bikes is that they get compliments.

 I ride the Silver Comet near Atlanta.  
 https://groups.google.com/g/bicycletouring/c/cFpcvUWqzkA
 For 15 years I rode a Diamondback Approach, a decent hybrid bike 
 (as they called those back in the ’90s).  I never heard a word from 
 fellow 
 riders.
 Then in 2015 I got a Sam Hillborne.  Bog standard, as the Brits say 
 - Sage Blue, cork grips.  I added some fenders and started seriously 
 hitting the trail for exercise.

 Suddenly folks are pulling up next to me (or going past), and 
 saying “Nice bike!”  Now I’m 74 and banging along at about 11 mph, so 
 it’s 
 not tough to pull up next to me.  But this happens 2 - 3 times a year. 
  It 
 surprises me.

 A couple of nice ladies went on about the friction shifters and “a 
 hard leather seat.  He’s hard core!”, before riding off on their 
 carbon 
 Cannondales.  A nice gentleman commented at length on the cork grips.  
 Maybe he was a fly fisherman?

 It happened again yesterday when I stopped for water.  Two guys 
 also stopped and were very complimentary about the Sam.  One asked to 
 ride 
 it (sure!) and came back grinning (“If I didn’t already have too many 
 bikes…”)
 It surprised my wife, too.  I built her up a Platypus last winter, 
 and on her second ride she got a “Nice bike!” from someone.  She came 
 home 
 with smiles.

 Does this happen to you when you ride your 

[RBW] WTB: Boscomoose / Bullmooose bars (fillet) and Paul Thumbies (22.2 Shimano)

[J J]

Hi all,

If you have the fillet variety of a Boscomoose or a Bullmooose bar that 
you're ready to let go of, please reach out privately. I'm interested in 
both. I'm not after the non-fillet varieties.

Also looking for a pair of Thumbies, polished or anodized silver. Asking 
here in case someone wants to sell a set before I take the plunge with a 
new set from Paul. 

Thanks very much!

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[RBW] Re: WTB: Lime Olive 50 cm Platypus frame

[J J]

It is a "paddle" of platypuses. 

On Tuesday, November 14, 2023 at 9:41:09 AM UTC-5 Doug H. wrote:

> What does one call a flock of Platypuses??? 
> Doug
>
> On Tuesday, November 14, 2023 at 4:41:28 AM UTC-5 Joseph Tousignant wrote:
>
>> Ahhh,... Judge NOT,... lest YOU be Judged! :-)
>>
>> On Monday, November 13, 2023 at 10:07:59 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>> Ding! wrote:
>>
>>> And no, I’m not selling my 55 Platys. I just need more sizes! And 
>>> colors. Whatever. Don’t judge.
>>>
>>> Leah
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Sizing Down? Pocket ‘Pus.

[J J]

*Bill requests: *
*3.  YOU own a medium/small Glorious or Wilbury.  Please measure the total 
end to end length from the front edge of the front tire to the trailing 
edge of the rear fender (or tire).  Please and thank you*

Total end-to-end length of 52cm Wilbury and 52cm Glorius is between 67.5" 
and 68", both with 42mm 650b and fenders. The slight difference is due to 
different fenders.


On Saturday, November 11, 2023 at 5:20:38 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Leah
>
> My recommendation for an alternative set of academic questions would 
> include the following:
>
> 1.  YOU own a 52cm Yves Gomez or Betty Foy.  Please measure the total end 
> to end length from the front edge of the front tire to the trailing edge of 
> the rear fender (or tire).  Please and thank you
>
> 2.  YOU own a 55cm Yves Gomez or Betty Foy.  Please measure the total end 
> to end length from the front edge of the front tire to the trailing edge of 
> the rear fender (or tire).  Please and thank you
>
> 3.  YOU own a medium/small Glorious or Wilbury.  Please measure the total 
> end to end length from the front edge of the front tire to the trailing 
> edge of the rear fender (or tire).  Please and thank you
>
> I think it would be HOT if you had a sporty short wheelbase Riv 
> step-through in your ARSENAL.  Mrs Bubba used to own a 52cm Gomez, but now 
> she's on a 50cm Platy and it's not actively for sale.  Although if you were 
> eager to lease it for an extended period, I bet she could be convinced. 
>  Hers is Mermaid, and its full end to end length is 72 inches, plus or 
> minus a quarter-inch, with 650B x 48 Rene Herse knobbies and no fenders.
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Saturday, November 11, 2023 at 1:27:55 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding 
> Ding! wrote:
>
>> I have a question that is probably only going to be academic. But maybe 
>> not. I’ve done crazier things. 
>>
>> Anyway, I have an 81 cm PBH. I sized up to the 55 cm Platypus (PBH range 
>> starts at 82 cm) and I love the fit. I adore my bikes. You can’t have them, 
>> I won’t sell them, don’t even ask. BUT, they are long. Too long for buses 
>> and for Amtrak. I desperately want to take Amtrak to Chicago with my bike 
>> for the first time, but my bike is too long. RivSister Kate says she can 
>> get her 50 cm Platypus on Amtrak if she undoes her V brakes and lets some 
>> air out of her tire. But, I’m 5’6” and I don’t know if I could ride that 
>> little bike. I don’t have one locally to try.
>>
>> Also, I’d want the lime olive, which would be very hard to find. Anyway, 
>> thanks for participating in my thought experiment. That might be a real 
>> experiment. Probably not. There’s likely a limit to how many Platys a girl 
>> can have.
>> Leah
>>
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[RBW] WTB: few items - Choco bar ,700x40 tires, crankset, long reach brakes

[J Schwartz]

Building a Roadini and looking for a few used items in good shape:


   1. Choco bar (norm variety)
   2. 170mm-ish crankset - clipper, sugino or silver either a triple or 
   42/28-ish 
   3. 700x40 tires ...could go down to 38's ...40's better 
   4. Something like good condition 559's.  Probably better to just buy 
   new...but what's out there?

Thanks
JS

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[RBW] Re: Atlantis date indicators

[Greg J]

The serial number would give you a definitive answer.  Or if you’re 
concerned about revealing the entire number, just the orientation around 
the bb and general letter/number sequence. 

On Friday, November 10, 2023 at 2:45:56 PM UTC-8 dylantho...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Hi everyone - 
>
> currently speaking with a seller of an atlantis 2 - dated 2011. This has 
> the cream accent panel on the seat tube. My old atlantis had a 2 but no 
> cream accent panel. Just to clarify, the 2 on the seat tubes does mean both 
> are the 'Atlantis 2'? Given it's 2011 - would this be Toyo? It has the more 
> ornate lugs...
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[RBW] Looking for 54cm Rambouillet

[Greg J]

Hi folks,

Wondering if anyone has an early Rambouillet (orange, with the sharper 
lugs) in a 54cm that they are thinking about moving along?

I have a 56cm that is a little on the large side and am thinking I'd ride a 
54 more.  Also happy to explore a trade +/- $ depending on condition, etc.

thanks, Greg
Oakland CA

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Re: [RBW] Re: Differences between Sam Hillborne and A Homer Hilsen

[Greg J]

That seat stay cap was used across various models - I don't know if it is a 
Riv-sourced custom piece - but it doesn't have anything to do with 
Waterford (nor is it intended to be a "W" - just a decoration.

On Friday, September 2, 2022 at 3:51:23 PM UTC-7 Hetchins52 wrote:

> Here’s mine. A Toyo by its serial number and Frank’s pics. You can see one 
> of the third water bottle mounts at the top in the photo.
> Year? I don’t know. I bought the frameset third-hand, six years ago, and 
> thought it might be 2009 using some of the info on CycloFiend.
>
> David
> On Friday, September 2, 2022 at 2:47:51 PM UTC-7 frank_a wrote:
>
>> [image: 7052F7D8-A7C3-40E9-BF7D-7549C10B03C0.jpeg][image: 
>> C25083FA-4E17-4971-90D1-18B4084AC777.jpeg]
>> The serial number will tell you if it’s a Toyo or Waterford built frame.
>> Toyo serial numbers are large and run across the bb shell while the 
>> Waterford numbers are smaller and are oriented around the shell, parallel 
>> to the outer edge. One photo is a Saluki and the other photo is a Waterford 
>> built Rosco.
>> The Toyo Atlantis’ read: AT0001 and so on, Homer: AH0001
>> SA0026 - the 26th Saluki
>> - Frank
>>
>> On Friday, September 2, 2022 at 11:26:35 AM UTC-4 lconley wrote:
>>
>>> I looked on Cyclofiend and where they were visible, the Atlantises all 
>>> appeared to have the W. It may not be related to Waterford after all.
>>>
>>> Laing
>>>
>>> On Friday, September 2, 2022 at 10:48:29 AM UTC-4 Danny wrote:
>>>
>>>> The early Atlantis brochures show the W on the seat stay cap with Toyo 
>>>> being the only listed builder in the brochures. My Riv knowledge is not 
>>>> very deep, so perhaps Waterford was building the Atlantis as well at that 
>>>> time? or Riv was buying the seat stay caps from them?
>>>>
>>>> Atlantis 2001 brochure 
>>>> <http://notfine.com/rivendell/Brochures/Rivendell%20Frames%20Atlantis%2001.pdf>
>>>> Atlantis 2002 brochure 
>>>> <http://notfine.com/rivendell/Brochures/Rivendell%20Frames%20Atlantis%2002.pdf>
>>>>
>>>> [image: Screen Shot 2022-09-02 at 9.15.04 AM Medium.jpeg]
>>>> [image: Screen Shot 2022-09-02 at 9.36.37 AM Medium.jpeg]
>>>>
>>>> -Danny
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Sep 2, 2022 at 7:41 AM Bill Schairer  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> In general, is one not able to tell from the serial number?
>>>>>
>>>>> Bill S
>>>>> San Diego
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thursday, September 1, 2022 at 11:50:12 AM UTC-7 RichS wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> That is a first class detail. Don’t believe it was on my formerly 
>>>>>> owned 2014 Waterford Atlantis so perhaps the W was featured on certain 
>>>>>> models? I am fond of concave seat stay caps though. Happy that they’re 
>>>>>> on 
>>>>>> my Sam.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>> Rich in ATL
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Sep 1, 2022 at 1:06 PM, J J  wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Laing, thanks for the interesting bit about Waterford-built frames. 
>>>>>>> This is the first I hear. I never noticed the W as a deliberate W (as 
>>>>>>> opposed to being strictly an embellishment) on my Waterford 
>>>>>>> Hunqapillar, so 
>>>>>>> it was cool to see it for what it is. I had to check the other Rivs in 
>>>>>>> the 
>>>>>>> stable, all Toyo built, and of course none has the W.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks again!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [image: Hunq Waterford seat stay end.jpeg]
>>>>>>> On Thursday, September 1, 2022 at 9:47:06 AM UTC-4 lconley wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Don't Waterford frames have a distinctive seat stay end cap with a 
>>>>>>>> 'W" in the recess - my Bombadil does. This is a better picture from 
>>>>>>>> the 
>>>>>>>> Waterford site, but the same as my Bombadil:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> [image: 
>>>>>>>> 6881680380_566caa3985_z-nwiouwjw51r3qwj11ieoc8axc7o69w290ux5x1it4w.jpg]
>>>>>>>>
>>>&g

[RBW] Re: Nutmeg Nor'Easter 2023

[J]

I'll be there again, this time on a big ol pistachio Romanceur 

On Sunday, October 15, 2023 at 1:58:35 PM UTC-4 lyon...@gmail.com wrote:

> I'm going to add a mermaid gus to the mix--see you out there!
>
> Adam in Portland
>
> On Sunday, October 15, 2023 at 9:26:52 AM UTC-4 Justin Kennedy wrote:
>
>>
>> Most excellent! Looking forward to it and hoping the forecast improves. 
>> On Sunday, October 15, 2023 at 1:52:35 AM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Justin and Stephen — I'll be on my Appaloosa so that'll be three mermaid 
>>> frames... at least! 
>>>
>>> On Saturday, October 14, 2023 at 9:56:46 AM UTC-4 Stephen wrote:
>>>
 Yep that was me!

 On Saturday, October 14, 2023 at 9:23:52 AM UTC-4 Justin Kennedy wrote:

>
> Stephen, i met you outside Luigi’s a couple weeks ago?? 
> On Saturday, October 14, 2023 at 9:09:28 AM UTC-4 Stephen wrote:
>
>> I’ll be there on the appa!
>>
>> On Friday, October 13, 2023 at 7:50:36 PM UTC-4 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn 
>> NY wrote:
>>
>>> Some day…
>>> Have fun!
>>> -Kai
>>>
>>> On Friday, October 13, 2023 at 4:07:20 PM UTC-4 Justin Kennedy wrote:
>>>
 Hi Patch! see ya there ;-)

 On Friday, October 13, 2023 at 3:14:56 PM UTC-4 Patch T wrote:

> MEEE - but you knew that :)
>
> Patch in Brooklyn
>
> On Friday, October 13, 2023 at 10:16:37 AM UTC-4 Justin Kennedy 
> wrote:
>
>> Curious if anyone else from the RBW Owners Bunch will be there 
>> this year. If so, would love to say hello! I'll be on my mermaid 
>> Platy.
>>
>> Cheers-
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Brooks B68s, Dura-Ace 7403 front derailleur (NOS), IRD Alpina front derailleur with clamp

[J J]

*Update 2:  Dura-Ace and IRD FDs are sold. Thanks to all who reached out!*
On Friday, October 13, 2023 at 2:25:27 PM UTC-4 J J wrote:

> *Update: the Brooks B68s is sold. Thanks for the rush of interest! :) *
> *The two FDs are still available. *
>
> On Friday, October 13, 2023 at 1:53:01 PM UTC-4 J J wrote:
>
>> Hi all, selling a few nice items. Please reach out privately if you're 
>> interested. Thanks!
>>
>> *1) Brooks B68s saddle (like new, $135 shipped)*
>> This is the "s" version, a few millimeters shorter than the regular B68. 
>> Textured leather, beautiful, hard to find. Treated with Brooks Proofide and 
>> some areas are slightly darker. Ridden twice for short distances. No saddle 
>> bag ever mounted.
>>
>> [image: Brooks B68s-2.jpg]
>>
>> [image: Brooks B68s-1.jpg]
>>
>> *2) Dura-Ace FD 7403 front derailleur. Bottom pull, 28.6 clamp. (NOS with 
>> original box, $142 shipped) *
>> Beautiful polished silver, classic model. One of the few Dura-Ace FDs 
>> that has the sweet (and subtle) Dura-Ace logotype/emblem on it. Adjustable 
>> spring tension. Pristine condition. 
>>
>> [image: Dura-Ace FD 7403.jpg]
>>
>> *3) IRD Alpina front derailleur. Bottom pull, includes 28.6 clamp 
>> (excellent condition, $45 shipped)*
>> Mechanically like new. Some chain rub on the cage. 
>>
>> [image: IRD FD.jpg] 
>>
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[RBW] Re: FS: Brooks B68s, Dura-Ace 7403 front derailleur (NOS), IRD Alpina front derailleur with clamp

[J J]

*Update: the Brooks B68s is sold. Thanks for the rush of interest! :) *
*The two FDs are still available. *

On Friday, October 13, 2023 at 1:53:01 PM UTC-4 J J wrote:

> Hi all, selling a few nice items. Please reach out privately if you're 
> interested. Thanks!
>
> *1) Brooks B68s saddle (like new, $135 shipped)*
> This is the "s" version, a few millimeters shorter than the regular B68. 
> Textured leather, beautiful, hard to find. Treated with Brooks Proofide and 
> some areas are slightly darker. Ridden twice for short distances. No saddle 
> bag ever mounted.
>
> [image: Brooks B68s-2.jpg]
>
> [image: Brooks B68s-1.jpg]
>
> *2) Dura-Ace FD 7403 front derailleur. Bottom pull, 28.6 clamp. (NOS with 
> original box, $142 shipped) *
> Beautiful polished silver, classic model. One of the few Dura-Ace FDs that 
> has the sweet (and subtle) Dura-Ace logotype/emblem on it. Adjustable 
> spring tension. Pristine condition. 
>
> [image: Dura-Ace FD 7403.jpg]
>
> *3) IRD Alpina front derailleur. Bottom pull, includes 28.6 clamp 
> (excellent condition, $45 shipped)*
> Mechanically like new. Some chain rub on the cage. 
>
> [image: IRD FD.jpg] 
>

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[RBW] Re: Rear rack for sport touring bike

[J G]

I carry a similar load and my Tubus Vega handles it without any sway.  As 
it should, 20lbs is a light load for the rack.

If you need more heel clearance due to the relatively short stays and your 
feet size, then could look up market a bit to their Logo rack that allows 
for lower and further back loading.

-Justus
Mpls, MN

On Saturday, October 7, 2023 at 1:38:41 PM UTC-5 ber...@bernardduhon.com 
wrote:

>  
>
>  
>
> Planning a tour on my Sport touring bike.  98mm wheel base42.5 chain 
> stay length 
>
> Under 30 pounds split 10 pd front & 20 pd rear
>
>  
>
> Need brain trust to recommend a rear rack. 
>

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Re: [RBW] "A Steamy Lug Affair" by Grant Petersen

[J J]

This is a great piece, thanks, Eric! 

Does anyone know which was the first production Riv that was *not* fully 
lugged? 

Thanks again! 

Jim

> On Oct 6, 2023, at 12:28 PM, RichS  wrote:
> 
> Eric, I forgot. Thank you too for posting the article!
> 
> -Rich
> 
> On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 12:22:53 PM UTC-4 RichS wrote:
>> I'm still in love with the lugs on my 2013 Hillborne:-))) Hard to believe 
>> these are on a production frame. Thank you Grant!
>> 
>> Best,
>> Rich in ATL
>> 
>> On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 7:58:00 PM UTC-4 rmro...@gmail.com <> wrote:
>>> Two observations from reading the article. 1. The lugged bike renaissance 
>>> happened and is ongoing. 2. Neither of my two Rivendell’s are lugged. Well, 
>>> the Clem has the seat cluster…
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Oct 5, 2023, at 5:05 PM, Ted W > wrote:
 
 
>>> 
 Funny you should mention this I have a couple different 3D printers, one 
 that prints in resin which is perfect for making positive molds for stuff 
 like this because the end product has very fine layer lines, and i was 
 thinking about how I would design my own lugs… I think you just gave me 
 some ideas!
 
 On Thu, Oct 5, 2023 at 4:58 PM aeroperf > wrote:
> I keep thinking it might be easier now (2023) to do a lugged frame than 
> it was 10 years ago because…
> You can design the frame with a CAD program, design the lugs with the 
> same program, and print the lugs using a 3-D printer.  If you don’t print 
> the steel lugs themselves, you can use the 3-D printer to print a wax 
> lug, which you can then cast in steel.
> Suddenly, everything fits.  The lug fits the geometry of the tubing.  If 
> you make a bigger or smaller frame, it won’t be “we only have lugs for a 
> 55Cm, but this is a 60Cm”, because the printer can just print the correct 
> lug.
> 
> Having spent 45 years working in aviation, I know that the skills 
> required  to weld/braze thin walled steel tubing are every bit as 
> demanding as brazing on a lug.  And the CAD tools today are outstanding.
> 
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[RBW] Re: WTB 54 quickbeam

[J L]

Update:

I might have found a 56 QB. Still looking for 54 though. Does anyone want to 
trade a 54 for a 56?  The difference is only a .5cm longer top tube and 2cm 
taller stand over. 

Cheers
JL in SF


> On Sep 20, 2023, at 8:34 AM, J L  wrote:
> 
> Hello listers,
> 
> Every year or so I check in about the availability of a 54cm quickbeam. 
> 
> Anyone have such a thing they want to pass on to a new owner? 
> 
> Offers offlist please to control the clutter 
> 
> Cheers,
> JL in SF

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[RBW] WTB 54 quickbeam

[J L]

Hello listers,

Every year or so I check in about the availability of a 54cm quickbeam. 

Anyone have such a thing they want to pass on to a new owner? 

Offers offlist please to control the clutter 

Cheers,
JL in SF

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Re: [RBW] Craigslist, etc 2023

[J S]

Someone got a deal.

On Sat, Sep 16, 2023 at 7:57 PM Max S  wrote:

> Did anyone here buy that?.. Curious about some slight geo diffs. between
> the SO and the QB, like BB drop, setback, front-center...
>
> - Max "curious minds" in A2
>
> On Wednesday, September 6, 2023 at 3:28:03 PM UTC-4 Michael Morrissey
> wrote:
>
>> Does this belong to someone on the list here?
>>
>> Simpleone
>> 58cm Green
>> Brooklyn, NY
>>
>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/186064411809?hash=item2b524d9ca1:g:6VcAAOSwOcBk9hv3
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 3:04:49 PM UTC-4 chasenl...@gmail.com
>> wrote:
>>
>>> happy hump day to all
>>>
>>> self promoting my medium gus for pickup in nyc
>>>
>>>
>>> https://newyork.craigslist.org/brk/bik/d/brooklyn-rivendell-gus-boots-willsen/7660623554.html
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 9:21:57 AM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com
>>> wrote:
>>>
 An unusual Homer! Double tube, darker blue than I'm used to seeing.
 Nice build. Oddly the listing makes no mention of the 3x1 drivetrain.

 On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 9:16:12 AM UTC-4 Eric Marth wrote:

> Cheviot f/f/hs
> 60cm
> Tulsa, Okay
> Auction: https://www.ebay.com/itm/115901802895
>
> [image: s-l1600.jpg]
>
> On Tuesday, August 29, 2023 at 10:23:27 PM UTC-4 Danny wrote:
>
>> Bike Recyclery has a NOS 60cm Yves Gomez for $1499.99
>>
>>
>> https://bikerecyclery.com/nos-rivendell-yves-gomez-betty-foy-frameset-fork-hs-br-bb-60cm-700c-fenders-racks-heart-cutout-lugs-black-white-gold/
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, August 29, 2023 at 12:50:33 PM UTC-5 Matthew Williams
>> wrote:
>>
>>> A. Homer Hilsen (curved 2TT!)
>>> 64cm
>>> 3400
>>> East Hampton, NY
>>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/404463031464
>>>
>>> [image: s-l1600.jpg]
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Aging cyclists (was upright bars and geometry)

[J S]

Ted, very timely. I took my Saluki out the other day and yesterday my back 
was screaming. I just turned 72 and my back has been an issue since my 
40’s, why I started riding Rivendells.  Today I will ride my Hillborne. To 
make it fair I took the 48mm tires off and put 42’s on like on the Saluki. 
Maybe the Hillborne geometry is better. Both bikes are set up the same, 2 
differences are tires and cranks. I have a Sugino on the Hillborne and a TA 
Zephyr on the Saluki. I got the Saluki last year to replace a Bleriot which 
rode great and transferred all of the components. I thought the geometry 
was similiar if not the same as the Saluki. By tomorrow morning I will know 
how my back did. 

On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 10:28:17 AM UTC-4 Ted Durant wrote:

> On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 8:41:29 AM UTC-4 rmro...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
> Garth, of course nothing you say here is wrong, it’s simply not the same 
> for everyone. And I know you know that. I am a 68 year old lifetime 
> cyclist. I’ve been through many drop bar bikes and though my last one 
> (Custom Richard Sachs) was easily the best, I was never truly comfortable.
>
>
> This is a timely topic for me. I'm about to turn 61 and, until last 
> spring, I thought I had dialed in my perfect bike fit. Doing a fair amount 
> of yoga starting in my 40's really helped my flexibility and core strength, 
> so I ride with a pretty low, flat back. I use pretty deep drop bars (mostly 
> Noodles), set the tops a bit below the saddle, and spend a lot of time on 
> the drops. My personal cubit is how I check seat-bar distance, and the 
> backs of my handlebar tops at the stem have always been 2-4cm ahead of my 
> fingertips.
>
> When I was spec'ing out my new Sam, I spent a long time on stem length and 
> finally decided to go shorter. This is also relevant to the previous 
> thread, as the Sam has a much slacker seat tube angle than my other bikes, 
> making it a bit more challenging to translate fit from the other bikes.  On 
> the Sam, the bars are just a few mm ahead of my fingers. I was worried this 
> would be too cramped, so it was a bit of a revelation when I found it was 
> comfortable and still allowed plenty of breathing space. Thinking about it, 
> I realized that it was logical that my seat-bar distance would need to 
> shrink a bit. I have pretty severe osteoporosis and a couple of compressed 
> vertebrae, so my torso length is shorter than it was 5 years ago. 
>
> So, yeah, everybody ages differently, but we all age and need to be aware 
> of how our bodies are changing and how that impacts position and fit on the 
> bike. 
>
> Ted Durant
> Milwaukee, WI USA
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Tiller effect: could someone please explain?

[J J]

Thanks to all of you for the responses, and Shoji and Garth for the 
additional information. 

Yes, the wheelbarrow effect. That's a great descriptive image. I have 
definitely experienced it with an actual wheelbarrow (super annoying and 
funny) and on a bike!

But I've never experienced the wheelbarrow effect on my Hunq running the 
Boscomoose bar. I typically sit way upright, too. If I don't my wrists and 
shoulders hurt tremendously, my arms go numb, and it ruins my rides, etc. 

It's funny, Garth. I would've thought that the Bombadil and Hunq would have 
behave similarly, yet you suggested you're going to move to drop bars on 
your Bomba.  

On Monday, September 11, 2023 at 3:29:53 PM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:

> I also don't do really high bars via the stem or the bars themselves. The 
> tosco is about the max I will do and enjoy. Otherwise I am in the 
> choco/losco camp. Not much rise and no sweep forward.
>
> On Monday, September 11, 2023 at 3:28:41 PM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:
>
>> I am not a fan of the super long stems with wide sweptback bars. Super 
>> flexy and the long stem makes the forward positions unusable for me. I 
>> struggle a but with Riv's sizing suggestions. Get a frame thats oversized 
>> and then stick a really tall and long stem on it with sweptback bars. All 
>> of those things don't add up. My Clem is on the larger size and I really 
>> enjoy it but I just a short stem. Never felt like a wheelbarrow to me. Most 
>> of my bikes steer pretty much the same with no odd behavior regardless of 
>> where my hands are in relation to the stem. I feel the flexiness way more 
>> and like builds that are a bit stiffer.
>>
>> On Monday, September 11, 2023 at 1:48:09 PM UTC-4 ted.l...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> > Try pushing a wheelbarrow up a steep hill. hilarity ensues. Once 
>>> you get knocked off your intended line, it's very difficult to move it back 
>>> on track as the wheelbarrow just wants to go in the direction it was moved 
>>> to go
>>>
>>> Thank you for describing it this way. You just described exactly how it 
>>> feels to climb a hill with my Gus and Tosco bars. I'll try a longer stem 
>>> and get my hands further forward.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Sep 11, 2023 at 1:26 PM Garth  wrote:
>>>
 I call it the wheelbarrow effect myself, as that most aptly describes 
 the sensation in a relatable way. Try pushing a wheelbarrow up a steep 
 hill. hilarity ensues. Once you get knocked off your intended line, 
 it's very difficult to move it back on track as the wheelbarrow just wants 
 to go in the direction it was moved to go. Steering just makes it worse. 
 My 
 experience with the Bombadil is just like that, although I'm sure it's not 
 nearly as bad as the hilly bikes or Clem. On my franklin road bike with 
 much less trail it just breezes up the same road and is easily corrected 
 getting knocked about by rocks, even with an Albatross bar.

 Dave Moulton also writes about it, among all sorts of other things in 
 the design of bicycles.
  
 http://davesbikeblog.squarespace.com/blog/2009/10/5/the-evolution-of-frame-design-part-i-the-wheelbarrow-effect.html

 An easy way to feel it is this from the article :

 *To demonstrate this effect to yourself; hold a pen or ruler on a table 
 top at 90 degrees to the surface, and move from side to side keeping the 
 point of the pen in one spot; you are moving in one plane. Now hold the 
 pen 
 at an angle of 45 degrees and move from side to side and you will see that 
 you swing in an arc.*

 *This was something I later called the “Wheelbarrow Effect.” In Part II 
 
  I 
 will talk about how frame design evolved through the 1960s and 1970s 
 to arrive closer to what we see today.*


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