I've never known the weight of any of my bikes, and I've ridden lots of
bikes throughout my life.I mean, I've known published weights for
frames I've owned, but have never weighed my bike when built up.
Obviously everybody has different things they look for in a bicycle, and
different
I'm fine talking steel, lugs, carbon, groupsets, touring, fixies, really
just about anything bike related. Nothing really gets me going like
talking about rider weight. I am 6' and right around 225 pounds. Yes, I
will be the first to admit that I need to lose some weight, but I refuse to
call
On Tuesday, January 15, 2013 11:18:01 PM UTC-5, charlie wrote:
I think this whole frame flex business has something to do with rider
power and weight also.
Yes, that's the idea - planing is realizing optimal frame flex
characteristics for a given rider. Kind of like getting fit for a pair
On Tuesday, January 15, 2013 9:18:52 AM UTC-8, Steve Palincsar wrote:
On Tue, 2013-01-15 at 09:08 -0800, Jan Heine wrote:
That explains why in our experience, performance correlates only very
weakly with weight, but very strongly with optimized frame flex
characteristics.
For a
To the Group - this string is a perfect example of why I always try to read
the RBW Owners Bunch. Thanks to all. Bob (Indiana)
On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 1:51 PM, Cicloski lite...@comcast.net wrote:
On Tuesday, January 15, 2013 9:18:52 AM UTC-8, Steve Palincsar wrote:
On Tue, 2013-01-15 at
On Monday, January 14, 2013 2:58:13 PM UTC-5, Skenry wrote:
The only real way to compair weights is to have a frame built up with
normal duty heavy Riv-ish parts and then build it again with lighter
racing parts. Then you'd be able to notice a weight diffence.
Scott
If that's the
nicely said. when i discuss the difference in weight of my lightish steel
and my still 4 lbs lighter carbon, i am never thinking about my measured
performance or speed improvement. for me it is a more subtle appreciation
of the overall quality of the ride. the unmeasured feel of getting up to
Patrick in VT wrote: Would I rather shave 5lbs bike/body or increase my
functional threshold power from 300w to 325w? It's a no-brainer.
You are absolutely right. And that is why frame flex is so important.
Imagine a bike that allows you to put out 325W instead of 300W for the same
fatigue!
On Monday, January 14, 2013 2:58:13 PM UTC-5, Skenry wrote:
The only real way to compair weights is to have a frame built up with
normal duty heavy Riv-ish parts and then build it again with lighter
racing parts. Then you'd be able to notice a weight diffence.
Scott
You don't need to
On Tue, 2013-01-15 at 09:08 -0800, Jan Heine wrote:
That explains why in our experience, performance correlates only very
weakly with weight, but very strongly with optimized frame flex
characteristics.
For a mind-blowing example of the above, be sure to read the road test
of the titanium
Beside weight, tire quality and width, strength, and frame flex -- or,
better, suitability of frame for the rider: leaving these out, can anyone
speak (with meaning) about rider position, bike fit, and geometry suited
for rider position, and their relation to speed?
I come back to the Herse I
Addendum: Since I've experienced this fit/feel-cum-speed thing over almost
15 years with the '99 and for almost 10 with the '03, I think I can
discount psychology. With the Herse, the immediate feeling was: How like
the Rivs!
Shoulda kept it -- except that I needed the $$. I hope the Ram ends up
Oh! One last thing: How like the Rivs! I mean in the kind of feel that
makes you pedal more effectively. I **don't** mean handling. It was fine,
but not great -- *that's* another big reason for selling.
On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 11:17 AM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote:
Addendum: Since
On Tuesday, January 15, 2013 12:18:52 PM UTC-5, Steve Palincsar wrote:
For a mind-blowing example of the above, be sure to read the road test
of the titanium road bikes in the current issue of BQ. (I'm going to
leave the big reveal to Jan, if he wants to pick up on the cue...)
i'm
Also a quick measure can be found here...
http://bikecalculator.com
Enjoy
On Tuesday, January 15, 2013 11:15:47 AM UTC-6, Jan Heine wrote:
On Monday, January 14, 2013 2:58:13 PM UTC-5, Skenry wrote:
The only real way to compair weights is to have a frame built up with
normal duty heavy
Just in case anyone is interested, my 2009 Specialized S-Works Roubaix
frameset is now on ebay. My favorite ride in the last 10 years has now been
replaced with the next size up.
On Saturday, January 12, 2013 9:33:04 PM UTC-8, Scot Brooks wrote:
I spend about equal time on my Sam Hillborne and
Please post the link
Scott
On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 4:14 PM, eflayer eddie.fla...@att.net wrote:
Just in case anyone is interested, my 2009 Specialized S-Works Roubaix
frameset is now on ebay. My favorite ride in the last 10 years has now been
replaced with the next size up.
On Saturday,
http://my.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?MyEbaygbh=1CurrentPage=MyeBayAllSellingssPageName=STRK:ME:LNLK:MESX
On Tuesday, January 15, 2013 1:24:33 PM UTC-8, Skenry wrote:
Please post the link
Scott
On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 4:14 PM, eflayer eddie@att.net
javascript:wrote:
Just in case
My man eflayer posted a link. I clicked it and it didn't work. But I did
find his auction:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/2009-Specialized-Roubaix-S-Works-frameset-58-/150980228930?pt=Road_Bikeshash=item23271f7742
On Tuesday, January 15, 2013 2:24:48 PM UTC-8, eflayer wrote:
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My man eflayer posted a link. I clicked it and it didn't work. But I did find
his auction:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/2009-Specialized-Roubaix-S-Works-frameset-58-/150980228930?pt=Road_Bikeshash=item23271f7742
that weird as it works when i click on it in your message and my message.
On Tuesday, January 15, 2013 3:41:41 PM UTC-8, William wrote:
My man eflayer posted a link. I clicked it and it didn't work. But I did
find his auction:
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*Subject:* Re: [RBW] Re: Weight's a weird thing
My man eflayer posted a link. I clicked it and it didn't work. But I did
find his auction:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/2009-Specialized-Roubaix-S-Works-frameset-58-/150980228930?pt=Road_Bikeshash=item23271f7742
eflayer
That's I'm not you. Only you are you. :-)
When you click your link, it goes to My Ebay. When I click on your link,
it goes to My Ebay. I'm not selling a Roubaix frameset, so My Ebay
isn't the way for me to get there.
On Tuesday, January 15, 2013 3:50:46 PM UTC-8, eflayer
News flash. My man Pudge has retro-grouch tendencies. Show us your
beer-truck again!
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News flash. My man Pudge has retro-grouch tendencies. Show us your beer-truck
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News flash. My man Pudge has retro-grouch tendencies. Show us your beer-truck
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News flash. My man Pudge has retro-grouch tendencies. Show us your
Ah, there's hope for yet!
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Dudes. I did not ride one of those until
For me yet, that is
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Ah, there's hope for yet
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News flash. My man Pudge has retro
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Pudge tells me to jump, and I ask How High?
I tell Pudge to show his beer-truck and he asks Which One?
perfecto!
On Tuesday, January 15, 2013 3:59:18 PM UTC-8, Pudge wrote:
Which one, Bill – they’re all slow and load-carrying
I wish there was a like button.
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Bill, maybe you should sell your Roubaix... it would be closer to Pudge's
size.
~mike
On Tuesday, January 15, 2013 3:56:06 PM UTC-8, William wrote:
eflayer
That's I'm not you. Only you are you. :-)
When you click your link, it goes to My Ebay. When I click on your
link, it goes to
I think this whole frame flex business has something to do with rider power
and weight also. I don't believe a super light tubed frame would last long
with me riding it and would most likely develop cracks sooner. Were I 165
pounds again maybe not but the average beginner male cyclist over 40
On Sun, 2013-01-13 at 20:13 -0800, eflayer wrote:
I was surprised the OP did not think that pounds of extra weight might
not be responsible for the go fast feel of his go fast bike...even
though by some standards both are relatively heavy. But 4 pounds is 4
pounds. I was suggesting weight is a
now that is an interesting proposal. i'd bet against you on that one though
:)
On Monday, January 14, 2013 6:24:34 AM UTC-8, Steve Palincsar wrote:
On Sun, 2013-01-13 at 20:13 -0800, eflayer wrote:
I was surprised the OP did not think that pounds of extra weight might
not be responsible
I have two Abus Bordo locks. One is the very heavy Granite, the other the
new ultra-light.
I got the ultra-light version for my Kellogg / Spectrum road bike.
Typically the only time I stop when on that bike is to pick up a drink or
what not, so lock security is not an issue. I like the
My money is with Steve Palinscar.
This reminds me of a long debate/argument I had with a coworker at the bike
shop. My coworker, Greg, insisted that an 18lb road bike was way faster
than a 20lb road bike. That's a commonly held position, as we all know. I
pointed out what I believe to be
Maybe Greg spent too much time around the Framesaver. I hear it can kill
brain cells, haha.
On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 2:42 PM, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote:
My money is with Steve Palinscar.
This reminds me of a long debate/argument I had with a coworker at the
bike shop. My coworker,
Its not so much the weight as the location and type of weight.
Take a racing bike, replace the low spoke count wheels with some heavy duty
touring wheels. Weight difference in the wheels can easily be felt. Water
bottle do add pounds, but not in the manner that rotating weight does.
Outside of
William's buddy Greg is not alone. Lots of magical thinking pervades all
aspects of cycling even among some who have a seemingly solid background in
physics. Credit marketing hype for overpowering reason. I believe that, at some
point, lightweight becomes an issue of bragging rights rather than
next thing you know someone is going to say skinnier tires are faster too!
~mike
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It should be fairly easy for you to do that experiment if you are
interested. I would like to hear how it comes out if you do.
Also though 4 lbs is 4 lbs, the significance of those 4 lbs varies
with the situation. Adding 4 lbs to a car means nothing, adding 4 lbs
to a motorcycle would be hard (or
And lighter.
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On Jan 14, 2013, at 7:09 PM, Mike Schiller mikeybi...@rocketmail.com wrote:
next thing you know someone is going to say skinnier tires are faster too!
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There applies the law of diminishing returns.
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On Jan 14, 2013, at 4:16 PM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery thill@gmail.com
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William's buddy Greg is not alone. Lots of magical thinking pervades all
aspects of cycling even among some who have a seemingly solid
The difference in ride and speed when I swap from Soma tires to Pari Motos
on my Sam Hillborne is noticeable, noticeable enough that I have a second
wheelset for each tire; one for clubby rides and the other for Just Riding!
The difference is 120 grams per tire, I believe. The performance
Weight is easily measured, but it's really not that important in itself.
If I fill up three water bottles and add them to my bike, I've just added
about 5 pounds, yet the bike feels the same most of the time. During normal
riding, the extra 5 pounds are a non-issue. (I may feel the extra
You might try a 16.5 lb Specialized Roubaix and let us know what you think
about that :). Mine weighs about 4 lbs less than my lightest steel bike. I
still like steel a ton, but for pure fast club road rides, the Roubaix is
more fun in most ways.
On Saturday, January 12, 2013 9:33:04 PM UTC-8,
As a reader pointed out, I should have said somewhat stiffer *down* tube
instead of top tube below.
On Sunday, January 13, 2013 6:33:31 AM UTC-8, Jan Heine wrote:
a formula that worked well: A relatively flexible top tube (usually 1/8
smaller in diameter than the down tube), a somewhat
Some 15 or 20 years ago I changed from a semi-custom Nobilette frame
to a Gios Torino frame. The Gios was noticeably stiffer. When I did
jumps (on either flats or hills) the Gios responded with more
immediacy and directness than the Nobilette. With the Nobilette it
seemed I could feel the frame
I think it is difficult to measure the effect of weight on a bike's
performance, when there are so many other factors that contribute to the
ride, as Jan pointed out.
My Bleriot (22.1 lbs) is only about 3 lbs. heavier than my Giant defy 3.
I am not sure which bike is faster than the other.
Is that 16.5 lbs your measurement? Does it include saddle, pedals, and
cages (race bikes are often weighed without those components)?
What is your lightest steel bike, and what wheels and components are
on it?
Also keep in mind that adding 4 lbs to your 16.5 lb roubaix is an
increase of nearly 25%
In honor of Jan, I did my Ballard Trader Joe's grocery trip this morning with
decreased tire pressures (about 65psi) and front loaded maybe 10 pounds of food
in the basket. The Soma still climbed like mad rat. Budget grocery randonneur :)
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It may not be weight, or it may be lower wheel weight, but I consistently
-- over 10 years -- find myself climbing faster, particularly when I stand,
on my 18 lb (pedals, cage, but no seat bag or bottle) gofast --
particularly noticeable because it is geared higher (75) than my other
bikes. In
One more remark on sensations of fastness -- which can be correlated, at
least to some degree, with actual speed if you are accustomed to (1) riding
the same gears or very similar gears on different bikes and (2) are
sufficiently aware of your cadence: the tricycle (narrow-tubed 531, and
light for
Keep it simple.
The tires. Unless you compare with the same tire on very similar wheels,
the comparison is moot.
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There is very little useful information contained in that oft-discussed
quantity known as bike weight. If you shave 100 grams off your handlebar, the
effect is different than shaving 100 grams off your tires. Even specifying
frame weight tells only a small part of the story, since you can
I should have clarified that I don't place much importance on bike weight. To a
small extent I consider the weight of tires and rims, such that I don't use
1000-gram tires if punctures don't seem to be a major concern, nor do I use
400-gram rims on a bike I plan to thrash.
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my Roubaix weighs 16.5 with all the normal road riding parts; pedals saddle
cages, etc. what's your point? light is fast and fun. some like/need a 30
lb bike, some prefer lighter. why truck when you can fly?
On Sunday, January 13, 2013 9:37:23 AM UTC-8, ted wrote:
Is that 16.5 lbs your
Agreed. I normally ride anywhere from 66-69cm bikes. I love my Rivs for the
ride quality. But if I'm doing a metric or a double-metric century w/thousands
of feet in climbing on New England hills where there's a lot of 8-12% grades
all the time, I'm taking my Roubaix (64cm, 18.2lbs), or a Seven
You go, guy! I wholeheartedly agree with the general proposition that,
ceteris paribus, lighter is righter. Of course there are many cetera to
considera!
Patrick 18, ~25 (with empty Sackville Med and #4 HpX and lights), ~29/33
lb, all ready to ride Moore
On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 5:03 PM, Robert
A few years ago, I had an 80s univega that was similar in many ways to a
Rambouillet. No racks or fenders, skinny 700x25 tires, roadie gearing, about
21-22 lbs. It was the lightest, raciest bike I ever had, and very comfortable
for me. I rode it 200 miles that year, with 150 of those miles
Four bikes in my stable. The heaviest ones get ridden the most.
Heaviest being ~30lbs on my Saluki (and preferred ride) with rack and
bags. My lightest, a steel Specialized Allez circa 2003 weighing in
at ~19lbs, is a joy to ride, but I physically can't ride it without
being kitted up and ride
I love riding my Hillborne and don't even know what it weighs. I know I
weigh 257 so it makes little difference to me if my bike weighs 2-5 pounds
less than another one. I own an 80's go fast standard dimension Columbus SL
tubed bicycle and it is no faster or more comfortable for me to ride. I
As long as I can carry my Atlantis up stairs load onto the hooks on the
train, it's not too heavy. My guess is at least 35 lbs. But the scale is
upstairs and the bike is in the cold garage; maybe later.
dougP
On Sunday, January 13, 2013 12:38:01 PM UTC-8, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
I was surprised the OP did not think that pounds of extra weight might not
be responsible for the go fast feel of his go fast bike...even though by
some standards both are relatively heavy. But 4 pounds is 4 pounds. I was
suggesting weight is a significant factor in the gestalt of how a bike
Eflayer,
I was just saying that I was surprised they felt so different but were both, in
fact, bikes that might shop in the husky section of the store. I like hearing
about the interesting nuances of bicycle feel, especially in this case where I
have two bikes that I love equally and like to
The idea of me weighing a bike is like weighing myself, pointless other
than to illustrate what I already know. I sure do like to ride the bikes I
have though. I guess if it ever gets to where I am using a scale to weigh
my food I can worry about a few pounds here or there on a bike. Not that
Although I do not dispute that weight plays a part in how a bike *feels*,
unless your Rivs weigh close to 30 lb or you weigh closer to 100 than 200
lb, those few pounds is only a very small percentage of the total
bike+rider+accessories weight, which is what's important in a purely
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