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Daniel Paradis
Bibliothécaire
Direction du traitement documentaire des collections patrimoniales
Bibliothèque et Archives nationales du Québec
Greetings,
We’ve noted that in the last example of the first block of examples of
11.2.2.12 (Agudah ha-geografit ha-Yiśreelit), the form of the name given in
Hebrew script in the note does not correspond to the form in Hebrew script used
in a 410 field in the authority record for the body
] Example in Hebrew script (11.2.2.12)
Daniel, the word order in RDA is correct. It's also correct in the NAF...
Nancy
On 11/8/2013 9:58 AM, Paradis Daniel wrote:
Greetings,
We’ve noted that in the last example of the first block of examples of
11.2.2.12 (Agudah ha-geografit ha-Yiśreelit), the form
Another option would be cxciv, 148, that is, 195 pages, with a note
explaining that the numbering of pages 1-47 is duplicated. I don't think that
repeating 47 works in this case because the first 47 pages don't form a
separate sequence but are part of the same sequence as pages 48-148.
Daniel
Under AACR2, the practice was to qualify the number with (first sequence),
(second sequence), etc., when a given page number could belong to more than
one sequence of pages. I think it could still work under RDA, e.g.:
300 $a 4 unnumbered pages, 85 pages
500 $a Published to commemorate
The method described under 3.4.5.5 is one of two possible methods mentioned in
3.4.5.2. The other one is an explanatory note (see 3.22.2.11) such as Leaves
are printed on both sides.
Daniel Paradis
Bibliothécaire
Direction du traitement documentaire des collections patrimoniales
Bibliothèque
The explanation of the abbreviations can be found here:
http://www.rdatoolkit.org/AACR2.
Daniel Paradis
Bibliothécaire
Direction du traitement documentaire des collections patrimoniales
Bibliothèque et Archives nationales du Québec
2275, rue Holt
Montréal (Québec) H2G 3H1
Téléphone : 514
GMD was not even required at the first level of description in AACR2 (see
1.0D1) so how could AACR2 be superior to RDA in this respect? At least in RDA,
Content Type and Carrier Type are core.
Daniel Paradis
Bibliothécaire
Direction du traitement documentaire des collections patrimoniales
According to LC's training material, a date such as not after 2013 would be
coded as follows:
008/06: q
008/07-10:
008/11-14: 2013
I assume that in the case of a not before date, code would appear in
positions 11-14 instead.
Daniel Paradis
Bibliothécaire
Direction du traitement
The current definitions of librettist and lyricist in Appendix are not quite
clear and have therefore been revised as follows in 6JSC/ALA/13/Sec final
(http://www.rda-jsc.org/docs/6JSC-ALA-13-Sec-final.pdf) (to be integrated in
the Toolkit in the July update):
librettist
An author of the
Actually, the LC-PCC PS limits the addition of an expression attribute to four
situations, not four types of materials. Translations are one of the categories
and are not limited to a specific content type or media type.
Daniel Paradis
Bibliothécaire
Direction du traitement documentaire
I agree with Andra that “Musical setting of (work)” is not appropriate because
the Neruda poems have been used as an inspiration for the musical work but not
actually set to music. A better designator would be “based on (work)” (in which
case the access point(s) would not include the subfield
With the latest update to the RDA Toolkit, instruction 2.8.1.1 now includes the
sentence: Consider all online resources to be published.
Daniel Paradis
Bibliothécaire
Direction du traitement documentaire des collections patrimoniales
Bibliothèque et Archives nationales du Québec
2275, rue Holt
You are right, the adaptation of 6.23.2.9.2 that was made in the French version
was deliberate, to respect the spirit of 0.11.2 and ensure that titles for the
books of the Bible would be recorded in French in a French catalogue. It goes
without saying that the French cataloguing community would
Hi Heidrun,
The relevant instruction is 6.27.1.3. The first exception Corporate bodies as
creators addresses cases where one or more corporate bodies and one or more
persons or families are collaboratively responsible for creating a work that
falls into one or more of the categories at
A good place to get free RDA training materials is the Catalogers Learning
Workshop page on RDA:
http://www.loc.gov/catworkshop/RDA%20training%20materials/index.html. The page
links, among others, to the RDA training materials that the Library of Congress
has been using for internal training
LC's RDA training materials provides the answer to your question (see
http://www.loc.gov/catworkshop/RDA%20training%20materials/LC%20RDA%20Training/Module3ExpressionsAndContentSept12.doc,
Appendix 2). The examples provided indicate that a uniform title would be
used to collocate the editions if
Heidrun,
You are right that 3.4.1.5 is actually an alternative to the basic rule of
recording extent (3.4.1.3). LC put forward a proposal to correct this situation
(http://www.rda-jsc.org/docs/6JSC-LC-17.pdf), which was accepted with revision
at the last JSC meeting (November 2012). This kind
Benjamin A Abrahamse wrote :
I'm curious if people who oppose the use of t (pub date/copyright date)
instead of s (pub date only) in the fixed fields are having problems getting
their systems to parse the data correctly or if it just looks funny (redundant)
to them because, like all of us,
Patricia Fogler asked :
How useful/necessary/correct is it to code this dtst to other than s have
duplicate dates in the 008 date area?
The Canadian Committee on MARC felt exactly the same way when Proposal 2011-02,
which included examples of duplicate dates in the 008 field, was discussed by
My understanding is that there is indeed a contradiction between the examples
and the practice recommended by ISBD. RDA examples should be given using ISBD
punctuation. The consolidated edition of ISBD says that within notes, it is
recommended, where appropriate, that the prescribed punctuation
Bob Maxwell wrote:
Or perhaps we should record just Russia in 370? Is this a case like Adams
(Iowa : Township), where we would just record Adams, Iowa in 370, dropping
the type of jurisdiction qualifier (by NACO policy)?
In AACR2, rule 24.4C1 explicitly asked not to include the additions to
The LC-PCC PS for 11.3.1.3 applies only to the element Place Associated with
the Corporate Body, though. If the practice of omitting the type of
jurisdiction is to be followed for all the elements that are recorded in field
370, I would suggest adopting a similar policy statement for 9.8 (Place
James Weinheimer wrote:
Still, there is no reason for a single 1xx field any longer. Too bad that
wasn't dropped instead of the rule of three...
RDA is not concerned with encoding but rule 6.27.1.3 does give the alternative
to Include in the authorized access point representing the work the
Hi Adam,
In a message posted to RDA-L more than two weeks ago, you wrote:
Even more strangely, at least one library is inputting the established
forms of states, provinces, countries and adding a $2 naf even though RDA
instructions in all of the instructions on recording these elements (e.g.
On August 16, John Hostage wrote :
Subject headings are a specialized area because they are so language dependent.
The Bibliotheque nationale de France has developed RAMEAU
(http://www.bnf.fr/en/professionals/anx_cataloging_indexing/a.subject_reference_systems.html
The list of terms you cite doesn't include the following three terms (which
appear on the second page of the listing that you link to):
three-dimensional form [which covers realia]
three-dimensional moving image
two-dimensional moving image
Daniel Paradis
Service de catalogage
Universite de
Spoken word is included in RDA as a term for content type (see instruction
6.10.1.3 in full draft). It would be recorded in field 336, though, not field
338 which is for carrier type.
Daniel Paradis
Service de catalogage
Universite de Montreal
Montreal, Quebec
Telephone: 514 343-6111, ext.
It is my understanding that the AACR2 concept of “uniform title” has no direct
equivalent in RDA. In AACR2, a uniform title includes not only the title that
is used as the basis of the uniform title but also any addition made to it to
make a heading unique (e.g., a date, a qualifier like
The “parts” making up a uniform title in AACR2 (e.g., basic title, additions,
subdivisions) have been defined in RDA as separate elements (Preferred title
for the work, Date of work, Other distinguishing characteristic of the work,
Content type, Language of expression, etc.). In these
Mac said:
It seems to me preferred title is the RDA core element which is most
like uniform title in AACR2. Except that it applies only to
distinctive uniform titles. What about classical music form uniform
titles (the only 240s our clients like), and voluminous author form
uniform titles such
About compilations of works by various creators, John Attig wrote this in his
blog:
It was confirmed that compilers are only considered to be creators in the case
of compilation of factual information (e.g., bibliographies, dictionaries), but
not in the case of compilations of aggregate
Mac seems to forget that place of publication was not mandatory in AACR2 either
(see rule 1.0D1 First level of description). This didn't keep most libraries,
including national agencies, from adopting a fuller level of description and
including place of publication in their records.
Daniel
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