Re: [Repeater-Builder] GE mastr II repeater UHF

2007-04-27 Thread Dan Hoffman
Jordan, I'm putting up an IRLP Node/Repeater in Seattle, could you provide some additional info about the two repeaters that are available? Thanks, Dan KE7KKA twoway_tech <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I will probably get in trouble for this. If anyone is in need of a mastr

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Tone remote setting question // oops

2007-04-27 Thread Mike Morris
I screwed up on the link address... there are two "/" embedded before the "motorola"... >Here's six photos of an R-1034A: > >I took these to add to an article off the Test Set Index, but >haven't written it yet. If your browser pukes tr

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Tone remote setting question

2007-04-27 Thread Mike Morris
Triplett made a "Control Line Test Set" for Motorola, with the Moto model number R1034A . Some were labeled R-1034A (i.e. with a hyphen). They show up on ebay every so often for $10-50. If you are responsible for an AC wireline it's unbeatable at that price. I picked up one at a hamfest for $20 a

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Tone remote setting question

2007-04-27 Thread Tim S
Anyone know the answer to the original question. How do you make sure you have enough high level, function, and low level guard tones at the repeater input? The way I see it you have the keyer output into the phone line to make your initial adjustment. Then the repeater has a line input as well.

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Tone remote setting question

2007-04-27 Thread Dan Blasberg
Mark, You want to look for TIMS test set, with it you will be able to send and receive different tones at different levels and measure the levels as well. Dan KA8YPY On Apr 27, 2007, at 8:11 PM, N9WYS wrote: > Sorry - I believe it also needs to be able to measure the frequency of > the > au

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Repeater Antenna Question

2007-04-27 Thread w5zit
I have been building my own cross-band couplers for years. Two meters and 440 work fine as long as you stay away from harmonically related frequencies. My cross band coupler consists of a standard Tee section tuner for 440 with a series cap on the input, a shunt inductor, and a series cap on t

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Tone remote setting question

2007-04-27 Thread Milt
What you need to look for is a Transmission Impairment Measurement or TIM Set. HP made a nice one but i can't remember the number. There are several other manufactureres that make various units. Look for one that allows yuo to terminate as well as bridge the circuit. Short of that try to fin

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Tone remote setting question

2007-04-27 Thread Bob M.
The Fluke 187/189 series of digital multimeters will measure AC/DC volts, amps, dB, frequency, etc. A very nice accurate unit for around $300. It's not a comm test set, but it will definitely do all the measurements you'd need it to do for tone remote systems. Bob M. == --- N9WYS <[EMAIL PROTE

Re: [Repeater-Builder] msf 5000 900mhz id

2007-04-27 Thread Bob M.
The CW ID will only fire when the squelch is closed. You can't tell that unless you have a digital metering panel or RSS computer hooked up (for digital-capable stations), or go measure the squelch circuits. Tighten up BOTH the RCVR squelch and the RPTR squelch and see if that helps. The method var

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Stationmaster Disassembly

2007-04-27 Thread Jack Taylor
I've restored radomes on several Stationmaster type antennas that have started to unravel by applying a generous coat of Wal Mart exterior latex semi-gloss white. Have held up for 5-6 years now in the Aridzona desert. 73 de Jack - N7OO - Original Message - From: Paul Metzger

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Help me in selecting a GMRS repeater antenna

2007-04-27 Thread Maire-Radios
well I have been using DB 420 for years and they are about the best you can get. mount your mount for the wind load for your $500 and you will be better off. Also I don't think 1/2 the 420 would work like it is make. John - Original Message - From: Preston Moore To: Repeater-

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Stationmaster Disassembly

2007-04-27 Thread Paul Metzger
I had to take a large propane torch to the the of mine just last week in order to get it apart. Paul Metzger K6EH --- On Apr 27, 2007, at 12:54, Steve Hutzley wrote: Folks, We took down the 220 MHz "Phelps Dodge Model 200" Stationmaster off our tower to

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Tone remote setting question

2007-04-27 Thread N9WYS
That's what I'm looking for!! Thanks, Steve! Mark - N9WYS _ From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com On Behalf Of Steve Bosshard (NU5D) I use a TIMS Meter - transmission impairment measuring system - Halcyon, Convex, NT, even Helper Instruments made a nice $300 box for basic tes

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Tone remote setting question

2007-04-27 Thread Steve Bosshard (NU5D)
I use a TIMS Meter - transmission impairment measuring system - Halcyon, Convex, NT, even Helper Instruments made a nice $300 box for basic testing. Steve NU5D On 4/27/07, N9WYS <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: My "helper" told me that I need to start looking for test equipment - he's taking a diffe

[Repeater-Builder] Re: GE mastr II repeater UHF

2007-04-27 Thread Coy Hilton
HI Jordan More details please. How much and where are the repeaters located? What Band? and anything else that you can think of. Thanks AC0Y --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "twoway_tech" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I will probably get in trouble for this. If anyone is in need of a

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Help me in selecting a GMRS repeater antenna

2007-04-27 Thread N9WYS
Rather than doing that, I'd stay with the tri-pod, but reinforce it... Use 3/8" (or heavier) threaded rod to go through the roof deck itself, and extend down enough to go through a 2x4 which is placed across several roof rafters. The 2x4 will cause any strain on the tower to be distributed across

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater Antenna Question

2007-04-27 Thread STARZIP
Hi: I use a JWX Dutch built diplexer, works great.

[Repeater-Builder] msf 5000 900mhz id

2007-04-27 Thread kc2kun
I have a msf 5000 900mhz. Up on the air. THe machine been online for acouple of days. I cwid is set but it will not transmit. mike

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Motorola R100 repeater

2007-04-27 Thread N9WYS
John, Did you get my previous off-list reply to this message? Haven't heard a reply - so I'm just checking... I think I can help you with everything you need. Mark - N9WYS -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com On Behalf Of Mr John Lloyd I have acquired a Motorola R

[Repeater-Builder] Help me in selecting a GMRS repeater antenna

2007-04-27 Thread Preston Moore
Anyone have any suggestions on an antenna for GMRS repeater use. This repeater will be at my residence and the antenna will be mounted on a 5-foot tripod on the roof. I have a DB-420 and was successful in getting it mounted, but I felt it was just slightly too heavy. I was afraid it would come d

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Wanted: SEA ESP1000 Service Manual

2007-04-27 Thread Eric Lemmon
A year or so ago, I contacted SEA for the ESP1000 service manual, and was advised that it was available for purchase on CD-ROM for $50. I decided to forgo getting the manual because I didn't think it was economically possible to convert the ACSSB radios (there are two mobile radios inside the repe

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Wanted: SEA ESP1000 Service Manual

2007-04-27 Thread Eric Lemmon
Matt, I have one ESP1000 repeater that is untested, no accessories. Contact me off-list. 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 4:54 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.c

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Tone remote setting question

2007-04-27 Thread N9WYS
Sorry - I believe it also needs to be able to measure the frequency of the audio tone on the line... Mark - N9WYS -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com On Behalf Of N9WYS My "helper" told me that I need to start looking for test equipment - he's taking a different job

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Tone remote setting question

2007-04-27 Thread N9WYS
My "helper" told me that I need to start looking for test equipment - he's taking a different job and won’t have access to the equipment he does now. Inasmuch, what is the test meter called that you use to measure the signal level across/on phone lines? I'm told that I need one that measures in d

[Repeater-Builder] Re: Wanted: SEA ESP1000 Service Manual

2007-04-27 Thread Matt
Scratch that, got the manual. Anyone have a repeater they want to get rid of fairly cheap?

[Repeater-Builder] Re: Tone remote setting question

2007-04-27 Thread skipp025
Pretty much what we were trying to blow down Pac-Bell's lines in the heyday of tone and dry pairs. The problem was how excessive distances would not perform 100% in critical services even though the telco lines were "in spec". Tone Remote lines are where I learned about/how the original analo

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Repeating D-Star

2007-04-27 Thread Steve Bosshard (NU5D)
I don't think you will be able to just plug binary data into a radio transmitter unless there is a made for the purpose FSK input for binary data that would support the DSTAR data rate. Steve On 4/27/07, Gary <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: You'll have to check with AOR on that one. For all we know

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Repeating D-Star

2007-04-27 Thread Gary
You'll have to check with AOR on that one. For all we know whatever contract they may have with DVSI may be specific to the modem. I figured two years ago when they introduced the AR-ONE that they would include some decoders, or an expansion port for an option card, or maybe even trunking but no

[Repeater-Builder] Wanted: SEA ESP1000 Service Manual

2007-04-27 Thread DCFluX
I was hoping someone had a link or could send me a copy of the service manual PDF for said repeater. SEA's official responce is: Sorry, no manuals available for the ESP1000 from SEA, on either pdf or printed copies. Best regards, Seems like very poor technical support.

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater Antenna Question

2007-04-27 Thread Rich Bodin
i have used two variations for diplexers, the Austin diplexers or even the triplexer has worked for me with great results. The next would be a DCI diplexer/ pass filters , their 2m/440 unit is very good / low insertion loss and the sharp filters help in keeping the intermod out.. Rich jhccradi

[Repeater-Builder] Stationmaster Disassembly

2007-04-27 Thread Steve Hutzley
Folks, We took down the 220 MHz "Phelps Dodge Model 200" Stationmaster off our tower to see if it can be rescued. There is no gel-coat left on it at all. I got the three screws around the perimiter of the mounting tube (aluminum) out, I found a stainless set screw in the copper tip. I also fou

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Repeating D-Star

2007-04-27 Thread George Henry
They're already using a DVSI AMBE vocoder in their HF digital voice modems. it's certainly not a large leap from there to D-Star. SOMEONE will do it soon enough... I just figured AOR might be the first, since they already have at least part of a foot in the door. George, KA3HSW / WQGJ41

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Tone remote setting question

2007-04-27 Thread Dan Blasberg
Most of the radio circuits that i remotely test and we (Verizon) engineer are 0, -16 circuits, meaning that the from the telecom interface we are looking for a 0db signal on the transmit side, and when it gets to the other end at the interface card at the station the signal will be -16 db. Dan

Re: [Repeater-Builder] GE MVS VHF Repeater?

2007-04-27 Thread Nate Duehr
On 4/27/07, Dave Cochran <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: This child of a brainstorm would be at my own QTH (way out in the sticks), and even then I've been considering it more as a educational/learning tool than anything else. What's the fun in doing anything if you don't learn something from it?

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Repeater Antenna Question

2007-04-27 Thread va7rs
Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]: > At 4/27/2007 06:34, you wrote: > >> How about a diplexer from Comet or Diamond? I looked into this > > They work fine provided you use the model WITHOUT the pigtail leads, IOW > all connectors must be directly on the diplexer. Use only coax with > silver-plated braid

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Repeater Antenna Question

2007-04-27 Thread Gary Schafer
I don't think any of them have cavities in them. I would suspect that the telewave is built very similar to the diamond etc. Mostly lumped circuit tuning (capacitor and coils) and maybe some 1/4 wave stub tuned coax rolled up inside. For a long time most commercial manufactures like telewave Sincl

Re: [Repeater-Builder] GE MVS VHF Repeater?

2007-04-27 Thread Thomas Oliver
Go for it just run it a about half rated power and put a fan on it. We have been using mobile radios in repeater service for years with few failures. Syntor X radios are my favorite to use as transmitters on VHF you can run them at 80 watts with fans. tom n8ies - Original Message -

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Repeating D-Star

2007-04-27 Thread n6lrv
There's one reason- they would have to purchase rights to the voice decoder designs from DVSI. D-Star is still young so other manufacturers may eventually jump on board once they convince themselves that the upfront engineering and intellectual costs will be worthwhile. By the way, as if there w

Re: [Repeater-Builder] 220 Repeater

2007-04-27 Thread DCFluX
Ok, This is going to be a brute force hack. For the moment the game plan is to replace the microcontroller with one that is running special software. If I remember right that thing had 200 channels, spaced 5kHz. So we will need a look-up table to translate the channels to the frequencies. 222.10

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Repeating D-Star

2007-04-27 Thread laner1
You'd absolutely, ABSOLUTELY limit the energy you emit (the frequency converted input signal) to fit within the allowable "channel" you're repeater/transponder is coordinated. That's no different with the FM brand of repeater. You're responsible for your output. The IF is where you'd probably

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Repeater Antenna Question

2007-04-27 Thread Ken Arck
At 06:34 AM 4/27/2007, you wrote: >I was thinking about going with a Diamond product (they at least have >a metal housing) and swapping out any UHF connectors for N types.

[Repeater-Builder] Re: Manuals FS

2007-04-27 Thread w6nct
Jim, I am very interested in the following manuals. Please contact me directly ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) if they are still available. Your message posting clipped your email address, so I couldn't respond directly. Standard RPTS-LMR-1 90 watt ?UHF/FM Repeater System Owner's Operating and Maintenance

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Repeater Antenna Question

2007-04-27 Thread Ken Arck
At 06:34 AM 4/27/2007, you wrote: >How about a diplexer from Comet or Diamond? I looked into this >recently for a similar application and couldn't tell the difference >between the expensive Telewave crossband couplers and the dime-a-dozen >amateur diplexers. <---I'm using a Diamond one on one of

Re: [Repeater-Builder] 220 Repeater

2007-04-27 Thread allan crites
It seems like an error crept into my latest post which was written early in the morning. That error is in the incorrect frequency I used for the reference frequency. The correct reference frequency is 10.275 MHz. All references to the incorrect frequency of 10.235 MHz should be changed to read

[Repeater-Builder] Re: GE MVS VHF Repeater?

2007-04-27 Thread jstechnicalservice
I have been using a MVS repeater in a commercial setting for several years and to date have had no problems. I'm using it consistantly at about 40% duty cycle. It does require 2 radios which are easily connected to each other. --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "dakaratcaptiveree

[Repeater-Builder] GE mastr II repeater UHF

2007-04-27 Thread twoway_tech
I will probably get in trouble for this. If anyone is in need of a mastr II UHF repeater, I have two to get rid of. Contact me off list. Jordan

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Repeating D-Star

2007-04-27 Thread George Henry
I was hoping that AOR would introduce an outboard "modem" that would plug into any 9600-capable rig, Micor/Mitrek and enable D-Star (and P25, for that matter...) that way. I tried to e-mail them at the support address on their website, and it bounced. There's no reason why such an approach sho

Re: [Repeater-Builder] GE MVS VHF Repeater?

2007-04-27 Thread Paul Metzger
In cases where I utilize two mobiles as a repeater, I filter them up the ying ying. 1. Duplexer BP/BR with at least 90db of isolation 2. Two additional BP cavities on the RX + Angle Linear Pre-Amp to help compensate 3. One additional BP cavity on the TX 4. Isolator + LP fil

Re: [Repeater-Builder] GE MVS VHF Repeater?

2007-04-27 Thread Dave Cochran
This child of a brainstorm would be at my own QTH (way out in the sticks), and even then I've been considering it more as a educational/learning tool than anything else. What's the fun in doing anything if you don't learn something from it? One of those just to see if it can be done effectively

[Repeater-Builder] Re: Repeater Controller SSC 836AA

2007-04-27 Thread anpap
Yes, the controller is in the Tait station. You may be right, it could be a Tone Remote board or something similar. Any idea where I can find more infromation about it? cheers, Andreas - 5B8AP --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "Jim B." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > anpap wrote: > > H

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Repeater Antenna Question

2007-04-27 Thread no6b
At 4/27/2007 06:34, you wrote: >How about a diplexer from Comet or Diamond? I looked into this They work fine provided you use the model WITHOUT the pigtail leads, IOW all connectors must be directly on the diplexer. Use only coax with silver-plated braid (RG-214, 223, 142 or 400) or hardline

Re: [Repeater-Builder] GE MVS VHF Repeater?

2007-04-27 Thread no6b
At 4/26/2007 16:24, you wrote: >Mobiles converted to repeater (duplex) operation are explicitly banned >in many commercial site leases, due to lack of shielding and other >problems. Be forewarned, if you're planning on building something for >a modern commercial 2-way site. Around here, many "co

[Repeater-Builder] Re: Repeater Antenna Question

2007-04-27 Thread crackedofn0de
--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > In a message dated 4/26/2007 4:39:57 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > cross band coupler > > > Thanks that sounds like the ticket. Seems like the way to go > > > JA How about a dip

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater Antenna Question

2007-04-27 Thread w5zit
I have a friend who used just this combinatin and a splitter like you mentioned. The VHF repeater was a Mastr II with a Sinclair 202G duplexer and the UHF repeater was a Yaesu 7000 with the Yaesu duplexer. The combination worked just fine on 2 meters but the 440 repeater receiver was desensed w

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Tone remote setting question

2007-04-27 Thread Milt
This is the worst case spec. Usuall lines come in with better end to end response. The "standard" way of testing a remote line used to be to make up a 16dB loss H pad and install it between the base and the remote to set the levels. Then remove the pad, connect the line, hook the remote to th

Re: [Repeater-Builder] 220 Repeater

2007-04-27 Thread allan crites
DCFluX, From what I saw the xmtr VCO (as is the rcvr VCO) is phase locked to the synth. which uses the 10.235 MHz reference. The xmtr VCO operates 10.235 MHz above the carrier freq. ( 220.005 + 10.235 = 230.240 MHz). The xmtr VCO output is mixed in a DBM with the 10.235 MHz ref. to get the out

Re: [Repeater-Builder] 220 Repeater

2007-04-27 Thread allan crites
It's my understanding that the synthesizer is not programable outside of the 220-222 Mhz range, and that the harm. filter needs to be retuned first, as it will not pass signals above 222.000. DCFluX <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I seen it once, I just lost the PDF and need to find it agai